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Title: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Whitedown Man on February 10, 2021, 04:35:03 pm
Any full “return to normal” (eg. pubs / restaurants / cinemas / etc. reopening) is probably a very long way off, but for many of us I suspect just a lifting of domestic travel restrictions will be a huge improvement in quality of life - being able to visit aged parents even if only outdoors and socially-distanced, walking in the nearest hills rather than just round and around the local park, cycling longer distances, and so on.

No-one knows anything (or is able to second guess this inept government), but in pursuit of a “wisdom of crowds” perspective when do YACFers think we might see a step down from national lockdown to a scenario that allows domestic travel?
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: De Sisti on February 10, 2021, 04:47:14 pm
when do YACFers think we might see a step down from national lockdown to a scenario that allows domestic travel?



Any full “return to normal”  is probably a very long way off,

No-one knows anything (or is able to second guess this inept government)

I think you've answered your own question.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Polar Bear on February 10, 2021, 04:53:43 pm
Well, none of my outline plans involve travel this side of May.  May is optimistic imo but if the vaccine rollout by the NHS is as touted by bozo&co then May might not be overly optimistic.

The virus should be reducing in effectiveness by then as per the expected seasonal cycle so if you add in all of the expected levels of vaccination  something should be possible.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 10, 2021, 05:03:49 pm
HK and I are hoping that riding in France in late June might be possible but with no confidence. No matter how slim the chance of failure or how appalling the consequences, this government will fuck things up if it benefits them personally or a Tory party funder.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: matthew on February 10, 2021, 05:11:54 pm
I think it is unlikely that the government will release small elements of the lockdown that have large mental health impact but no commercial impact rather than reopen businesses like pubs and restaurants even though these venues carry much higher risks.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 10, 2021, 05:12:59 pm
Wow LWaB , that is quite optimistic!
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on February 10, 2021, 05:15:19 pm
You are quite right, Mrs P. I should know that this government will always fuck things up, even if nobody benefits.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 10, 2021, 05:27:30 pm
I'm not making any plans to go anywhere far TBH. If we even get away from Furrybootoon I will take that as a bonus, but not even thinking about it yet. Of course I could end up with nothing if I leave it too late but I'm going to concentrate on one thing at a time (currently getting Pingu Towers in a fit state to market) and attempt not to catastrophise...
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Jaded on February 10, 2021, 07:46:06 pm
I think that the government will find it hard to resist the clarion call of the anti-lockdown backbenchers and funders. So it depends what Sir Graham Brady and stuff like that are calling for.

Looking at the news last night, with its trumpeting of the UK's vaccination programme, I felt the real issue was the number of countries that won't be vaccinated until 2022 or 2023.

Even if we can go places (away form the UK), will they have us, and will we want their variants coming back here?

This pandemic will be with us for a long time.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Kim on February 10, 2021, 10:00:58 pm
My optimistic estimate is for 2021 to be a rehash of 2020 rules-wise, but hopefully without the wave of new infections in the winter.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: bairn again on February 10, 2021, 10:25:22 pm
My optimistic guess is

- local restrictions could be lifted by May 2021

- restricted international travel may be possible by the start of 2022

I really dont see free and easy international travel like we had pre covid returning within at least 5 years which will might make international events (cycling or otherwise) a thing of the past. 

Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: chrisbainbridge on February 11, 2021, 08:04:53 am
We have a trip to the Lake district booked for just after Easter, then a flight to Tenerife in May and a 40th wedding anniversary safari booked for July.  Each will be cancelled in turn and rebooked as necessary.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: fboab on February 11, 2021, 08:37:52 am
HK and I are hoping that riding in France in late June might be possible but with no confidence. No matter how slim the chance or how appalling the consequences, this government will fuck things up if it benefits them personally or a Tory party funder.

^^ What he said.

I'm training like things will happen and being totally unsurprised when they are cancelled/delayed.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: MikeFromLFE on February 11, 2021, 08:41:31 am
We were persuaded to book a cheap couple of hotel nights in mid April - I'm certain we will lose those.
I've cancelled our rebooked Big Interrail Adventure that was scheduled for June - that's a distant dream.
I've got a plan to go with Mrs M and our daughter to Germany by train in September, but I won't be booking that until as late as possible, because I can't see that there will be any stability in the way we are able to plan for travel for a long time yet.
(There are other factors at play in our family that also inhibit holiday plans, but that's not what I'm discussing here)
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Duckfoot1606 on February 11, 2021, 08:56:08 am
I’m hoping/praying for some level of local travel to be possible by Easter, but am expecting things to still remain pretty restrictive.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: bobb on February 11, 2021, 09:15:18 am
I predict domestic travel restirctions will be lifted in time for summer. Everybody will go on holiday within the UK, it will be a complete disaster and we'll be in full lockdown again by September. The government will blame everyone and everything other than their own terrible decisions.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: tonycollinet on February 11, 2021, 09:19:41 am
We can hope to see dramatic reductions in hospitalisations and deaths resulting from the vaccine program targetted at over 50's by mid to end of May.

Cases won't be impacted so much though until most of the adult population have been vaccinated, and without cases coming down it is difficult to get away from social distancing.

I expect more freedom of movement within UK to be possible starting in may, but that restrictions (mask wearing, meeting only outside or very low numbers, distancing in restaurants etc to continue for most of 2021.

International travel for leisure will not (imo) be possible this year. Which is Bad, because I need to get over to USA to see Mum while she is both alive, and containing marbles.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Jethro on February 11, 2021, 09:21:04 am
I was contacted only yesterday by my travel agent to tell me that "Your holiday to Tenerife" (in April) "may have to be cancelled or amended" (yet again!) and they suggested that I re-book for later in the year(!).  Realistically though, I doubt it will happen this year but am mildly hopeful that i might finally be allowed to travel there next year.

A friend of mine then informed me that the virus will probably mutate a few more times over the coming months and eventually making the current vaccine useless and a new vaccine would then need to be manufactured and so back to square one.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Polar Bear on February 11, 2021, 09:22:10 am
I think that the government will find it hard to resist the clarion call of the anti-lockdown backbenchers and funders. So it depends what Sir Graham Brady and stuff like that are calling for.

Looking at the news last night, with its trumpeting of the UK's vaccination programme, I felt the real issue was the number of countries that won't be vaccinated until 2022 or 2023.

Even if we can go places (away form the UK), will they have us, and will we want their variants coming back here?

This pandemic will be with us for a long time.

Indeed.  My vague plans only cover travel in England for this year, optimistically to the Northern Isles for 2022 and somewhere forrin requiring use of those dirty, polluting tin bird thingamyjigs in 2023.  By 2023 I believe that there should be sufficient awareness and management around most of the globe to facilitate this.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: rafletcher on February 11, 2021, 09:56:11 am
We have nothing whatsoever booked, and atm no intention of doing so.  But then we're quiyt happy to stay at home / take day trips as allowed as and when it happens.  (I'm guessing our Japan trip may well drift to 2022).
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: grams on February 11, 2021, 10:08:51 am
I'm assuming they'll buckle to pressure to reopen as they did over and over again last year, whether it's sensible or not. I just don't know exactly when.

I've got nothing booked but I'm definitely planning to travel as much as I can. No pubs or restaurants or indoor venues if I can help it.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: ian on February 11, 2021, 10:44:35 am
I think we have our trip to Provence from last year carried over to this July (we cashed in our trips to the Far East and the US, I wasn't optimistic about the airlines being around to honour any vouchers).

I doubt it'll happen as planned. I'm not about to book anything else, though admittedly it would be nice to go somewhere. I confess to stretching the rules, we'll usually drive somewhere in the countryside at the weekend for a walk somewhere pleasant and not busy.

Personally, I'm less bothered about international travel and holidays, it would just be nice to go to the pub or a bar, to the cinema, concerts etc. again.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Mr Larrington on February 11, 2021, 11:53:31 am
The Outer Hebrides trip postponed from last year is still on indefinite hold, so I really ought to contact Hamish at the car hire place about getting my £200 back.  I doubt Battle Mountain will be happening this year either, and even if it isn't cancelled USAnia is so awash with Coronalurgi that you can contract it just by looking at Nebraska on a map.

Still have a handful of postponed gigs – Larkin Poe, King King, George Thorogood and John Mayall – to keep track of.  King King was supposed to be tomorrow, IIRC.  To be fair to Mr Mayall, his shows were postponed due to illness of the not-Coronalurgi variety.  A year without live music is Cruel and Unusual  :'(
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 11, 2021, 12:08:23 pm
I did see posters in December advertising a Lionel Richie gig this summer, can't remember if it was June or July. Not that I'd be going anyway but I did think "There's optimistic!"
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on February 11, 2021, 12:14:57 pm
We have a cottage booked in That Cornwall, end of July,  avec ' le bubble',  fingers x'ed.   
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Mrs Pingu on February 11, 2021, 12:53:55 pm
I predict domestic travel restirctions will be lifted in time for summer. Everybody will go on holiday within the UK, it will be a complete disaster and we'll be in full lockdown again by September. The government will blame everyone and everything other than their own terrible decisions.
Bingo!
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Pingu on February 12, 2021, 10:12:55 am
We have a cottage booked in That Cornwall, end of July,  avec ' le bubble',  fingers x'ed.

You in Door Matt Hancock's bubble?
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Davef on February 12, 2021, 01:00:44 pm
Another month and most over 50s will be vaccinated. Half  the under 30s have immunity due to the illegal house parties so that just leaves the 30-50 age group who dare not go on holiday anyway because of the state of the economy. Sorted.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Flite on February 12, 2021, 02:23:22 pm
I'll mostly be happy to do away days from home.  No intention to leave UK anyway.
I do have accommodation booked for an event in August, but even if it happens, I'm probably not going to be a mindset go.
As above, I fear restrictions will be lifted for the summer and result in a big increase in problems in the Autumn.
I really, really wish the BBC other media would stop moaning about not being able to fly off for a holiday in the sun.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: robgul on February 12, 2021, 02:27:22 pm
We have provisonal plans to sponge off two daughters - one in Lancashire, one in Kent - both in nice countryside and lots to do - when/if possible in the summer??  No need to book  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Regulator on February 12, 2021, 03:05:03 pm
Another month and most over 50s will be half vaccinated. Half  the under 30s have immunity due to the illegal house parties so that just leaves the 30-50 age group who dare not go on holiday anyway because of the state of the economy. Sorted.


FTFY.


I've heard the suggestion that some travel restrictions will be lifted towards the end of March but that there may be new restrictions imposed on campsites, hotels, etc. to discourage travel outside one's local area.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: phantasmagoriana on February 12, 2021, 03:08:09 pm
I'm left with a week of leave in April following the cancellation (for the third time!) of a Mallorca trip, so was hoping I might be able to go somewhere domestically - there are a few long-distance walks I'd like to do (though that would require use of public transport, so is probably unrealistic) or a cycle tour. I've no plans to leave Scotland for the foreseeable, but it would be nice to get out of the city at least a little bit.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Jaded on February 12, 2021, 03:15:35 pm
Another month and most over 50s will be half vaccinated. Half  the under 30s have immunity due to the illegal house parties so that just leaves the 30-50 age group who dare not go on holiday anyway because of the state of the economy. Sorted.


FTFY.


I've heard the suggestion that some travel restrictions will be lifted towards the end of March but that there may be new restrictions imposed on campsites, hotels, etc. to discourage travel outside one's local area.

A very good fix to the post.

If we continue to vaccinate at the current rate, everything will slow down. Initially the first ones will be done speedily, because there were fewer per day, but when we come to the ones done at the current rate per day, there will be no new vaccinations being carried out...
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Davef on February 12, 2021, 03:52:27 pm
Clearly with a 12 week gap between first and second injections I was referring to the first injection, but as most of the immunity comes from the first then I am not sure I would describe it as “half vaccinated” but I take your point.

Much will depend on vaccine supply. assuming supply is forthcoming I reckon by the start of March we will be up to 1m injections a day, so I don’t think there will be a marked drop compared to current level due to second doses.

A point will come where numbers will start dropping as we will be running out of people.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 12, 2021, 03:52:44 pm
I expect most people and their employers will take the first dose as meaning they're okay to go back into work, spend all weekend hanging round a shopping centre, etc.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: MikeFromLFE on February 12, 2021, 06:39:54 pm
I expect most people and their employers will take the first dose as meaning they're okay to go back into work, spend all weekend hanging round a shopping centre, etc.
I was surprised not to be told / given a leaflet when I went for my first vaccination to the effect that 'this does not make you superhuman - you need to continue to take care'. A missed opportunity.
I fear that the take up of the second dose will be significantly lower than the first.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Giropaul on February 12, 2021, 07:14:05 pm
It has been quite widely disseminated that even after 2jabs you could carry the virus, on you if not in you, and therefore we should maintain social distancing. I agree that this message needs to be even better pushed.
The Times today had a front page piece that indicated that professional scientific opinion was that social distancing would have to be maintained at least until the Autumn. A virology academic friend is of the same opinion - unless Boris decides to feed his narcissism by allowing relaxation for the holidays, in which case it will be return to square 1 all over again.
I feel that we’re in a much better place for a continued lockdown ( preferably a better monitored one), than we would have been even 20 years ago.
We can pretty well all communicate with family by Zoom, FaceTime or whatever if we wish to. We can socialise in the same way should we wish. There are numerous virtual cycling and running etc platforms, Zoom yoga etc etc. It’s easy to phone people regularly and keep in touch. There’s Facebook for groups of people, and lots more.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: grams on February 12, 2021, 09:16:30 pm
We can pretty well all communicate with family by Zoom, FaceTime or whatever if we wish to. We can socialise in the same way should we wish. There are numerous virtual cycling and running etc platforms, Zoom yoga etc etc. It’s easy to phone people regularly and keep in touch. There’s Facebook for groups of people, and lots more.

Point of order: All of those things are shit substitutes for actual human interaction.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on February 12, 2021, 09:20:31 pm
We can pretty well all communicate with family by Zoom, FaceTime or whatever if we wish to. We can socialise in the same way should we wish. There are numerous virtual cycling and running etc platforms, Zoom yoga etc etc. It’s easy to phone people regularly and keep in touch. There’s Facebook for groups of people, and lots more.

Point of order: All of those things are shit substitutes for actual human interaction.
That's true but they're a huge improvement on what we had 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Lifting Of Domestic Travel Restrictions
Post by: jsabine on February 13, 2021, 01:51:02 am
We can pretty well all communicate with family by Zoom, FaceTime or whatever if we wish to. We can socialise in the same way should we wish. There are numerous virtual cycling and running etc platforms, Zoom yoga etc etc. It’s easy to phone people regularly and keep in touch. There’s Facebook for groups of people, and lots more.

Point of order: All of those things are shit substitutes for actual human interaction.
That's true but they're a huge improvement on what we had 20 years ago.

They're an even bigger improvement on being dead.