has anyone ever come back from anything that serious to be a GC contender?
Broken femur, I imagine that'll take a while to recover from and then rebuild capability, even with the attention he'll get.
has anyone ever come back from anything that serious to be a GC contender?
But....Froome is in his mid 30s. If he staged a comeback in 2 years he'd be the oldest TdF winner ever.
The four-time Tour de France champion, 34, has suffered a fractured right femur, a broken hip, a fractured elbow and fractured ribs and lost consciousness following the crash.
Speaking to Radio 5 Live's BeSpoke podcast, Brailsford said: "He's been operated on to make sure that first phase of medical care is as optimal as possible and we will manage it from there. It's an evolving situation. It is concerning, there is no doubt about that.
"He's not in great shape. There are crashes and bad crashes and this was a bad crash."
The reason I asked was becaus I (correctly or not) kind of have this idea that a femur fracture is right up there in the "oh f@$k, that's serious" bracket, vs a broken wrist, collar bone, shoulder blade, ankle etc.
Broken pelvis would also go in that category as would spinal injuries. I know you can have some very nasty ankle fractures as well - i've seen a few of them - but I'm just generalising here. Also thinking how long it has really taken me to recover from a relatively small fracture in my own pelvis.
The reason I asked was becaus I (correctly or not) kind of have this idea that a femur fracture is right up there in the "oh f@$k, that's serious" bracket, vs a broken wrist, collar bone, shoulder blade, ankle etc.
Broken pelvis would also go in that category as would spinal injuries. I know you can have some very nasty ankle fractures as well - i've seen a few of them - but I'm just generalising here. Also thinking how long it has really taken me to recover from a relatively small fracture in my own pelvis.
Well it simplifies the job for the the TeamThomas or Bernal?SkyIneos DS this year. No need to work out who the team will be riding for.
Well it simplifies the job for the the TeamThomas or Bernal?SkyIneos DS this year. No need to work out who the team will be riding for.
The reason I asked was becaus I (correctly or not) kind of have this idea that a femur fracture is right up there in the "oh f@$k, that's serious" bracket, vs a broken wrist, collar bone, shoulder blade, ankle etc.
Broken pelvis would also go in that category as would spinal injuries. I know you can have some very nasty ankle fractures as well - i've seen a few of them - but I'm just generalising here. Also thinking how long it has really taken me to recover from a relatively small fracture in my own pelvis.
Depends on what in the pelvis is actually fractured. I had an xray for a (fortunately only bruised) hip, and the A&E consultant pointed out where G.'s fracture was and why he was able to carry on riding with it, whereas had it happened somewhere else he would have been out for months.
Both Yates brothers are riding, I believe.How can one tell??
Never mind all the cycling, I'm excited hoping for moar fun from Pandemic Productions....
Good idea. (Life is confusing enough ... ) :thumbsup:Never mind all the cycling, I'm excited hoping for moar fun from Pandemic Productions....
Ph3@r n0t, Mrs P... (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=112629.0)
In Germania, he explores the idea of German-ness that culminated in the deadly fantasies of the Nazis. Danubia examines how the dysfunctional Habsburg family could hold together a sprawling empire of competing national groupings for almost half a millennium. And Lotharingia tells the story of that part of Europe – what is now the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Lorraine in northern France and most of northern Germany west of the Rhine – that has been labelled the “cockpit”, so central has it been to Franco-German rivalry and the course of the continent’s history.https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/mar/21/lotharingia-by-simon-winder-review
I saw Ned's "stand up" tour last year, he is clearly well read both in English and French literature and history. Since he and the tour does go into many a nook and cranny in France, he really gets to see the country's history from both sides (gov.fr vs local.fr)
I saw Ned's "stand up" tour last year, he is clearly well read both in English and French literature and history. Since he and the tour does go into many a nook and cranny in France, he really gets to see the country's history from both sides (gov.fr vs local.fr)
TV's *** Boulting read Modern Languages at Cambridge, so no great surprise. He claimed today that this is his 17th Tour too.
T Ineo$ do at least have the riders' names written on the sides of their jumpers ...Writen! But any fule kno skool rools sa that namtpaes musst be
At the end of each stage, a group of men in branded t-shirts surround the winner, last year they had a water bottle company branding, this year it's Continental branding. What are they there for?
I watched with amusement as they tried to chase today's winner down the hill again, as they all cross the line, turn round, and head down the way they came.
That was a fun finish to watch.
J
Boring today: missed Roche falling off and D. Martin piddling sans permission.
Yes
Anyone else finding it hard to tell sunweb and Team Sky^WIneos^WPlastic Hypocracy apart in the aerial shots?
Also, anyone else think it would be a good idea if riders could have their numbers visible on their helmets or sides? Most of the shots of the riders are from the front, and without a number, I find it really hard to tell 100 white men apart... Oh, and the Yates' make it even harder...
J
Boring today: missed Roche falling off and D. Martin piddling sans permission.
The tone was set when Rosetto and Offredo clipped off the front and the rest of the peloton just shrugged...
Di Marchi has a deep laceration on his forehead and has gone to hospital for x-rays and test. Apparently he was conscious and talking while being seen to at the roadside.
Could be worse, he could be in Lorenzo Gobbo's shoes right now, so to speak.
Could be worse, he could be in Lorenzo Gobbo's shoes right now, so to speak.
(Googles)
Ouch! Didn't J Queally do something like that at Meadowbank once?
It was Jason Queally. From the times online: -QuoteBut Queally is not afraid of the challenge. After taking up cycling in his mid-twenties, he focused on sprinting after an accident in 1996. Knocked off his bike at 35mph, a large chunk of the track became lodged in his back. The piece of wood was 18 inches long, two inches wide and half an inch thick.As Hoy, who was involved in the crash, recalled in his autobiography: “It was more like a fence post than a splinter and Jason’s scream of ‘I’ve got half the f***ing track in my back’ was not unreasonable in the circumstances.”
The crash was to have a profound effect on Queally. “I’ve got a scar a foot long that had 100 stitches in it, but I was scarred mentally as well as physically,” he said. “Thankfully, I’d been a swimmer and I had plenty of muscle in my upper body, so it didn’t pierce my heart or lungs. But after that I wanted to focus on events that did not involve bunching. So it was the kilo and team sprint, and now the team pursuit,”
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https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/spoke-person-took-picture-geraint-thomas-tour-de-france-crash-431075/
What happened to Rohan Dennis? Anyone got any more info? cyclingnews.com hasn't really got anything useful.
J
We do know he has genuine problems with explosive, angry responses to relatively innocuous challenges. He’s a hothead. Former teammates, managers, team staff – it seems everyone has a Rohan story. Each rider or team staff member I contacted in the last few hours said some version of the same: Yes, it’s a problem. This isn’t the first time. It’s a pattern.
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[sports director Gorazd] Stangelj did his best to explain without quite explaining anything.
“He is a special guy, let’s say. All the champions are,” he said. “He’s really 100 percent when he wants something. It’s difficult to make everybody happy in every single moment.
“He’s the guy, he wants to have everything 100 percent. It’s not easy to have everything 100 per cent.”
From another forum:https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=13106483&start=140#p20547745
It was supposedly discontent with the equipment - the wheels in particular that made Dennis quit the race. According to norwegian news station tv2 Hushovd had a chat with him today where Dennis told about not being pleased with the equipment - claiming to lose 40w to the competitors
“Look, the legs are there. the power was good. As good as any other year, if not just a little bit better,” explained Dennis.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dennis-i-was-beaten-by-the-better-guy-on-the-day/
“So, it’s just about finding out why I didn’t go as quick now and fixing it for the next race. It’s all about trying to figure out how to go a little bit quicker with the equipment that I’ve got.”
[...] exciting [...] time trial
Yes and yes.
On a totally different topic, anyone know what happened to Romain Bardet? He used to be somebody.
Bardet painful. Looked like he and his bike were going through an ugly divorce but trying to put on a united front for the sake of the children.
I notice in the bottom of the points classification, there are 5 riders with negative points.
How?!
J
Rider: | Points after Stage 14: | Infraction: |
George Bennet | -1 pt | Docked 6 pts for obstructing another rider on Stage 10 |
Sebastien Reichenbach | -4 pts | Docked 4 pts for giving a push or handsling on Stage 6 |
Michael Hepburn | -6 pts | Docked 6 pts for slipstreaming behind the team car on Stage 8 |
Yves Lampaert | -6 pts | Docked 6 pts for obstructing another rider on Stage 10 |
Tom Steels (Deceuninck – Quick-Step sports director)
– Non-compliance with the organisation’s instructions (incorrect behaviour at the finish line)
– Fined 300 Swiss Francs (£242)
What is it with Team Sky/Ineos riders when it comes to interviews. I used to think Froome was insipid, formulaic, robotic and particularly uninformative, but GT has taken it to a new level for me. All the above, plus chucking in "so yeah..." - lengthy pause - every few words (see "grammar that you find annoying").
I realise they must be knackered at the end of a stage but it's also true for rest-day/morning interviews. I'm not expecting team tactics - just a bit of their own personality and character rather than trotting the team line.
Alaphilippe is a refreshing change. Animated and engaging - and I don't think it's just because he's winning at the moment (although I'm sure that helps!).
G was certainly a lot more animated when he was just another crash-prone domestique headbutting telegraph poles but these days you'd get more entertainment from interviewing his bike.That sounds like a job for,P-Pr0d’s inept interviewer whom is not made of the l00ze
Alaphilippe is a refreshing change. Animated and engaging - and I don't think it's just because he's winning at the moment (although I'm sure that helps!).
G was certainly a lot more animated when he was just another crash-prone domestique headbutting telegraph poles but these days you'd get more entertainment from interviewing his bike.
G was certainly a lot more animated when he was just another crash-prone domestique headbutting telegraph poles but these days you'd get more entertainment from interviewing his bike.
They can fix him. They have thetechnpharmocology.
Crikey! Luke Rowe and Tony Martin have both been slung off the race for a minor case of handbags. Leaving Bernal, Thomas and Kruijswijk without invaluable assistants for the most crucial stages of the race. A conspiraloon might wonder whether this was deliberately done to assist Pinot & Alaphilippe :demon:
What appeal option is there? I thought the race jury decision was final.
Looks like they both deserved it. Rowe more than Martin, but a reasonable outcome.
My understanding is that the Commissaires are UCI-appointed, and only one of them is French.
CROCETTI Gianluca | Président du Collège des Commissaires |
TORTAJADA VILLARROYA Vicente | Membre du Collège des Commissaires |
MICHAUD Max | Membre du Collège des Commissaires |
VOETS Jean-Michel | TV/Support Commissaire |
LÉVESQUE Adrien | Membre du Collège des Commissaires |
seems a bit harsh vs previous, werent there a pair a few years back that stopped by the side of the road for fisticuffs, or am I misremembering?
What wasIt happens when he uses his special powers, like Eleven in Stranger Things.I MontoyaN Quintana's nosebleed all about, eh? Overdoing the marching powder :demon:
This is stupid. The riders could have coped with some hail.I suspect it's not the falling hail, it's the laying hail on the road increasing the risk of crashing and serious injury that was the problem.
https://twitter.com/trondiversen/status/1154769912512094208?s=20
Due to the difficult weather conditions expected tomorrow and land slides noticed, the course of the 20th stage of the Tour de France will be modified.
After taking off from Albertville, the stage will go on the N90 road to head directly to Moutiers and then go on the initial end of stage at the N90 – D915 roundabout, 36kms from the finish.
The start will be given in Albertville at 14:30 for a total distance of 59kms.
All the intial sporting points will be withdrawn except the KOM standings at the finish in Val Thorens.
Tomorrow, there's heavy rain forecast for the time the Cormet de Roseland will be traversed. That descent is fairly prone to mudslides and temporary storm-induced over-the-road rivers, being in a ravine and having some serious hairpinage getting down some of the steeper drops in the valley.
So there could be more disruption tomorrow. I've never done Val Thorens, but believe it's more of an open/motorway-type grind-climb, but who knows what the weather has in store.
I've found the landslide location.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.5089165,6.9246509,3a,75y,82.82t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sr6dN08FvnUvUQXw_kItbvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40
Compare with this picture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAaMCz9X4AA4rmi?format=jpg&name=large
OSINT madskilz FTW. :smug:
I've found the landslide location.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.5089165,6.9246509,3a,75y,82.82t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sr6dN08FvnUvUQXw_kItbvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40
Compare with this picture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAaMCz9X4AA4rmi?format=jpg&name=large
OSINT madskilz FTW. :smug:
That's down the valley after TL SP Tignes le Lac at the scary Revenants dam, innit?
I guess this could lead to a few crazy "no guts, no glory" assault attacks....perhaps they’ll race into Paris, team trial styleee to make up for it :o
I've found the landslide location.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.5089165,6.9246509,3a,75y,82.82t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sr6dN08FvnUvUQXw_kItbvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40
Compare with this picture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAaMCz9X4AA4rmi?format=jpg&name=large
OSINT madskilz FTW. :smug:
That's down the valley after TL SP Tignes le Lac at the scary Revenants dam, innit?
Correct. It's between the tunnel on the D602 that's level with Les Brevières and Le Villaret.
Serious questions though:
Are the riders restricted to which bike they can ride out side of s time trial, or could they chose to ride a TT bike?
And on Sunday, I know it’s convention to just have a ride-in to Paris, but is it actually against the rules if one of the GC teams decided to just go for it?
Serious questions though:
Are the riders restricted to which bike they can ride out side of s time trial, or could they chose to ride a TT bike?
And on Sunday, I know it’s convention to just have a ride-in to Paris, but is it actually against the rules if one of the GC teams decided to just go for it?
I think I've geo-located the bit with the hail/slush/water on the road - it's just before the Hotel Les Seracs at La Reculaz..Very familiar with that spot and recognised it as soon as it came up on the telly. A guide took us out for a day one time on a route which involved him persuading the lift company to open one lift early and looped round with a descent down to the far side of the lake, where a boat would, under normal circumstances, have been waiting. Except this was the one year in 20 where the lake is drained, so we skied down to the very bottom of the lake and then had to climb up the snowy/muddy side in the full glare of the sun, in full ski kit. The two pints of Orangina I had in the Hotel there hardly touched the sides.
Footage capture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAaPKevXsAAIhpm?format=png
Google maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.474455,6.949808,760m/data=!3m1!1e3
Serious questions though:
Are the riders restricted to which bike they can ride out side of s time trial, or could they chose to ride a TT bike?
AFAICT aero-bars are forbidden on road stages so there wouldn't be much point in using a TT bike without them.And on Sunday, I know it’s convention to just have a ride-in to Paris, but is it actually against the rules if one of the GC teams decided to just go for it?
Vinokourov did a successful attack in Paris a few years back, which lifted him a place or two in the GC. Nothing against it in the rules, it's Simply Not Cricket.
Tomorrow's stage is going to be truncated. Just 59km...
J
I'm reminded how painful watching ITV live is, especially tdf coverage which seems to be 10mins cycling, 5 mins adverts, repeat.OTOH, the best bit of watching Eurosport's coverage, is Graeme Obree's hilarious advert for Endura. ;D
Pinot whacked his thigh on the bars trying to avoid a crash and tore a muscle. He then rode for two days with cramp-level pain before retiring. How does being French influence that in any way?
Didn't Barguil sneak into the top 10 yesterday at the expense of Porte? With that on top of Alaphilippe's stellar performance and Bardet snaffling the KotM the French have done rather better than Italy or Belgium.
Pinot whacked his thigh on the bars trying to avoid a crash and tore a muscle. He then rode for two days with cramp-level pain before retiring.
Such an exciting race until Pinot dropped out, but after that it became very dull. Bernal may be talented but he didn't do anything spectacular. Not a thing. Neither did G.Bernal attacked and none of the others could respond. It might not be repeatedly attacking like Pinot, but what Bernal did in the stage that was cancelled was a spectacular display of climbing.
A special grumble for the official TdF website, which didn't get the page-foot banner out of the way no matter how many times you accepted cookies and which, as it has done for the last n years, still manages to show the name of the previous stage and that of the next one, but not that of the current one. Sterling work, cheps!
And now for something completely different - Cycling Tips had a play with FaceApp, with results equally hilarious and terrifying:
https://cyclingtips.com/2019/07/a-glimpse-into-the-tour-de-france-2070-grand-masters-edition/
And now for something completely different - Cycling Tips had a play with FaceApp, with results equally hilarious and terrifying:
https://cyclingtips.com/2019/07/a-glimpse-into-the-tour-de-france-2070-grand-masters-edition/
I can't see the difference between the 2019 and 2070 versions ofBethany's DadRigoberto Urán :demon: