Pendle 2017

[Aunt Maud]

It's about 50% downhill.

[alexberry]

I have created 9 TCX files for the entire route, to match in with Andys controls.

If anyone would like a copy, please email me at alexberry.pgt@gmail.com and ill send them out.

[Feanor]

I've just been going through the GPX in some detail.
The RWGPS track posted by Anthony goes a different way from the routesheet in section 7 Langwathby - Seascale.

After Whinlater Pass, at Lorton, the track crosses the B5289 and goes North, joining the A5086 up near Cockermouth.
The routesheet goes South down the B5289, through Loweswater and Lamplugh, joining the A5086 much further South.

I'm correcting my track to follow the routesheet.

[kartaphilos]

Any chance I could get a copy of that track?

[alexberry]

Good Spot!

The tracks that I had had the old route, and I may just stick to that because I cant be bothered changing it.

I don't think there is much difference, the variations are 7.45miles, and one is 7.55miles. Total ascent on both variations is 722 feet.

The choice is yours!

[Feanor]

Yes, I'll post my revised track later today or perhaps tomorrow, once I've finished.

There's another deviation.
Leaving the Seascale control, the track re-traces up towards Gosforth.
The routesheet continues down the coast to Drigg.

[Feanor]

I've edited the track posted upthread to make some corrections where it deviated from the 2017 routesheet.
I've been through the routesheet turn-by-turn against the track.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22577287

There are 3 sections which I've changed, all in Day2:

After Whinlater Pass, at Lorton, the track crosses the B5289 and goes North, joining the A5086 up near Cockermouth.
The routesheet goes South down the B5289, through Loweswater and Lamplugh, joining the A5086 much further South.

Leaving the Seascale control, the track re-traces up towards Gosforth.
The routesheet continues down the coast to Drigg.

South of the Carnforth, the track goes West of the M6, through Lancaster.
The routesheet twiddles East of the M6.

Use at your own risk etc etc.
YKMV.

[kartaphilos]

Cheers for the route.

btw - I've also booked into the Premier Inn for Friday night. 

[Feanor]

So looking at my Spreadsheet O' Doom, the sleep cutoff will be when you need to leave Langwathby to reach Seascale in time.

If you achieve that, then the rest kind of falls into line so long as you can get over Hardknott and Wrynose.
Even if you ride those, you won't be much above walking pace on them.
But that is only for some minutes; not some hours.

I'm estimating you could get away with leaving at around 08:00, but that may be optimistic!

[zacklaws]

My spreadsheet tells me that I have to leave Langwathby at 07:33 to get to Seascale at 13:14, Carnforth at 18:32 and finish at West Bradford at 21:56, 4 mins before cutoff, based on the slowest speed possible to finish in time of 15.3 kph. Non of this takes into account how much time will be lost in the hills, stops at checkpoints or even mechanicals. The minimum speed of 15 Kph will make you out of time, that is based on a 600k event, this is 611 K according to the routesheet. Off top of my head, 15kph, puts you over the limit by just over 40 minutes.

My plans are forget about sleep and to leave Langwathby no later than 05:00 which gives me 4 hours spare for contingencies etc. I have all week to sleep....

[Feanor]

Yes, if I put in 15.3 and zero sleep-time, I get *exactly* the numbers you say.
Yes, 15kph will get you back at 22:44, 44 minutes out of time.

My default average speed is set to 18kph in the spreadsheet, and that's where I get my times from.
That's a realistic speed based on past 600s, but as the beancounters say, past performance is no indication of future performance etc etc.
I expect I'll have to adjust that down a fair bit.

I'll re-assess at Langwathby, depending on what time I get there and what my overall average has been up to that point.
I'll then re-calculate a time for the remaining 220k, decide how much contingency I want to add for the hills and general contingency, and take it from there.

[zacklaws]

I also have 18 kph in my spreadsheet, which is just below what I normally ride 600's,  but that speed is based on moving time for me.  Looking at past events, I spend around 5 hours stopped for various things and usually finish around the 38 hours mark. Overall average is down to about 16 kph average which I also have in my spreadsheet printout to give me a finish time of 20:11, but all of my previous 600's have only had just over half to two thirds the amount of climbing as the Pendle 600.  So realistically, if I do my normal ride, including about 3 hours sleep and 2 hours lost in checkpoints and other stops etc, I will only have 2 hours spare to do all the additional climbing which to me is cutting it fine. Looking at some of the timings for other riders who have done Hardknott and Wyreside on Strava, that section itself will take longer than 30 mins and up to 2 hours (Heaven forbid, those who did it in that time must have walked it all) itself, but them slow times depends on how fit those slower riders are in comparison to myself.

So sleep will have to go out of the window probably till maybe after the Lake District and I have a good margin of time in hand to finish.

The only good thing.....at the moment, no rain forecast

[Ivan]

That sounds about right - I made it round with around 10 mins to spare a couple of years ago and with no sleep, leaving pretty much every control out of time. It's important not to panic, and just keep plugging away at it - at least the last section after Hard Knott is *relatively* benign. And bring more than a single 74" gear.

[alexberry]

Weathers looking good! Should I risk removing my mudguards to save a bit of weight?


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[whosatthewheel]

I also have 18 kph in my spreadsheet, which is just below what I normally ride 600's,  but that speed is based on moving time for me.  Looking at past events, I spend around 5 hours stopped for various things and usually finish around the 38 hours mark. Overall average is down to about 16 kph average which I also have in my spreadsheet printout to give me a finish time of 20:11, but all of my previous 600's have only had just over half to two thirds the amount of climbing as the Pendle 600.  So realistically, if I do my normal ride, including about 3 hours sleep and 2 hours lost in checkpoints and other stops etc, I will only have 2 hours spare to do all the additional climbing which to me is cutting it fine. Looking at some of the timings for other riders who have done Hardknott and Wyreside on Strava, that section itself will take longer than 30 mins and up to 2 hours (Heaven forbid, those who did it in that time must have walked it all) itself, but them slow times depends on how fit those slower riders are in comparison to myself.

So sleep will have to go out of the window probably till maybe after the Lake District and I have a good margin of time in hand to finish.

The only good thing.....at the moment, no rain forecast

Hardknott + Wrynose in 30 minutes you need to be very very fit. I think it took me 22 minutes at the Fred Whitton just to climb Hardknott and I actually rode up it. If you end up walking, then 40 minutes for Hardknott only is entirely possible. 15 minutes or so to descend, then another 10-20 minutes to go up Wrynose and another 10 to descend in one piece and swear never to do it again 

[Ultradiscostu]

Is anyone able to provide updates on Pendle600 progress of riders!? Particularly interested in our ElliptiGO representative for this year's edition - Billy Grace. Please give him all your support if you see him. This is a tough tough course for the ElliptiGO in terms of cut offs and maintaining a high enough AVG speed. Got every confidence though that Billy will GO one better than me and finish Pendle. I was timed out at the last CP in 2015

[Andy Corless]

37 riders started from the village hall this morning in near perfect weather conditions, including William Grace, the only ElliptiGO rider. I'm just aware of the one DNF (not William). I'll be catching up with them all at Langwathby later.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Pendle 600

[simonp]

Good luck to everyone. I DNSed as I'm competing next weekend and we need to train together this weekend; also did have a sleepless night this week which is always bad before a 600k.

[Alex B]

I DNS'd this (my first DNS). A man's gotta know his limitations and all that.

Good luck to all the riders - weather looks good - when heading East anyway ...

[simonp]

In 2014 we were blown to the east coast which made it seem easier. Turned around after eating at the Whitby control and blew up. Headwind for nearly 300km, riding in the dark in the clouds and rain, and only 1h sleep. Not a ride to take lightly.

Instead today I did 10km rowing machine effort and got my heart rate up to 193 and tomorrow will be out on the water in a 4, practicing for Llandaff Regatta next weekend. I'll be the oldest in the crew by 13 years but not the slowest.

[Andy Corless]

I'm at Langwathby still waiting for the first riders. 6 riders dropped out before midnight, including the eliptIGO so we`really down to 31.

Andy Corless

[Joolz]

Unusual DNF for me.  Right need pain that was getting whose.  Bailed at 234 km, train to York, Leeds and Skipton and back to West Bradford. 

Worried if I carried on the hill fest, I would have knackered my knee up and LEL would be out of the question.

[Joolz]

Ooooop knee pain

[whosatthewheel]

Unusual DNF for me.  Right need pain that was getting whose.  Bailed at 234 km, train to York, Leeds and Skipton and back to West Bradford. 

Worried if I carried on the hill fest, I would have knackered my knee up and LEL would be out of the question.

That sucks... had a friend who buggered his knee for good to finish the Raid Pyrenean a few years ago, so you made the right decision there...

I've had my share of patella issues, which seem to have resolved using lower gearing. I now use a 46 x 36 chainset and anything up to 36 T at the rear for those > 20% brutes. Of course all knee problems are different

[Joolz]

Yep, right decision - want to ride LEL at the end of month.  Yes, I have 50 x 39 x 30 with a 12-30 cassette which normally fine.