Author Topic: The health and fitness thread about random things  (Read 476027 times)

T42

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4300 on: 10 April, 2023, 08:50:11 am »
If something came out of the toilet when I was sitting on it I think I might be somewhat alarmed...

Florida man somewhat alarmed in toilet by...
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight

rogerzilla

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4301 on: 18 April, 2023, 04:21:39 pm »
Can do a set of seven chin-ups now on the road to my eventual goal of 20.  It was 2 or 3 a fortnight ago.  They are incredibly hard if you're <cough> still over 13 stones.  Mind you, they are unlikely to be of much benefit in losing weight, since my shoulders are now sufficiently large that my arms hang funny  ;D
Hard work sometimes pays off in the end, but laziness ALWAYS pays off NOW.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4302 on: 18 April, 2023, 05:43:57 pm »
Fed up with ill health.

Hit on shoulder by branch weeks back - can't do any of my normal exercises.

Caught bug from grandchild last week - now in post-viral malaise. Exhausted after the most trivial of exercise.
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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4303 on: 22 April, 2023, 08:34:02 am »
I've been getting increasingly worse & frequent episodes of vertigo.

Contacted the GP on Thursday. Got a phone consultation Friday lunchtime. He asked to see me at 5pm that same day. I went expecting to get an ENT referral.
He did the diagnostic eye test and then the Epley Manoeuvre there and then.
Ace service from our GP

I haven't had the instant relief that I got last time it was done years ago. In fact I spent the evening feeling bloody dreadful with nausea and headache - almost certainly due to my brain readjusting to having normal balance receptors again.
Too many angry people - breathe & relax.

barakta

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4304 on: 22 April, 2023, 03:01:30 pm »
Hope today is going better so far vertigowise!

Mrs Pingu

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4305 on: 22 April, 2023, 03:51:12 pm »
That is interesting that you can fix it yourself at home.
Do not clench. It only makes it worse.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4306 on: 23 April, 2023, 08:21:46 am »
That is interesting that you can fix it yourself at home.
There's a few YouTube videos of DIY Epley - I've never had any luck with manipulating my own head. I'm sure there's a knack to it, I just ain't got it!

I think it might have worked - I still felt queezy yesterday but played a couple of games of Pétanque OK. The bonus was getting out of bed in the night and not crashing into the radiator!
Too many angry people - breathe & relax.

T42

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4307 on: 29 April, 2023, 07:13:42 am »
Just got the results of yesterday's blood test, looking for signs of dodgy prostate/prostatitis. All OK, leucocyte & CRP levels generally reassuring. So why the low-level ache in my perineum, even after 4 days without cycling? The public deserve to no they bloody don't.
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4308 on: 01 May, 2023, 07:14:15 am »
Utterly fed up with being ill. It's been 3 weeks now. Still occasionally coughing up lumps. Utter dragging exhaustion if I try exercise.

Oh well, at least I have an Ultrasound booked for borked shoulder.
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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4309 on: 01 May, 2023, 08:14:06 am »
Side effect of the above mentioned Epley Manoeuvre on my head:

I woke up at about 5am a couple of days ago thinking 'this is a bit odd' - it took me a moment or two to work out that there was..... silence.

The Tinnitus that had been steadily getting more and more troublesome had magically gone.
It's stayed mostly gone since, and when it's been audible it's been at a higher pitch and much quieter.

There does seem to be a loose relationship between BPPV and tinnitus, so there's an explanation.
Bonus!
Too many angry people - breathe & relax.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4310 on: 01 May, 2023, 08:15:31 am »
Utterly fed up with being ill. It's been 3 weeks now. Still occasionally coughing up lumps. Utter dragging exhaustion if I try exercise.

Oh well, at least I have an Ultrasound booked for borked shoulder.
That sounds grim.
Could it be a chest infection that needs a blast of antibiotic treatment?
Too many angry people - breathe & relax.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4311 on: 01 May, 2023, 08:18:16 am »
Utterly fed up with being ill. It's been 3 weeks now. Still occasionally coughing up lumps. Utter dragging exhaustion if I try exercise.

Oh well, at least I have an Ultrasound booked for borked shoulder.
That sounds grim.
Could it be a chest infection that needs a blast of antibiotic treatment?
I seem to lapse into this state every time I get a minor virus. Been this way since the last time I had covid.
<i>Marmite slave</i>

T42

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4312 on: 01 May, 2023, 10:59:47 am »
Immune system over-reaction?  I envisage the immune system as a vast army controlled by a self-taught AI with a few bugs and a tendency to refight the last war.

Meanwhile, my hangdog perineal pain took enough time off on Saturday for me to do 6 hours on the bike in comfort. Still feels OK, too. Puzzled.
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight

Wowbagger

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4313 on: 09 May, 2023, 06:28:38 pm »
Bugger, bugger and thrice bugger!

I've been feeling rather achy today, and I put that down to overexertion at my Stoutness Exercises yesterday morning. But the achyness has increased and I've developed a cough. I have just tested negative for covid.

I'm hoping I recover soon: I'm missing out on tonight's choir practice but I hope I'm OK for the concert on Saturday. Beethoven Mass in C - postponed from April 2020, which was the 250th anniversary of his birth, and J. S. Bach's "Jesu, meine Freude".
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barakta

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4314 on: 09 May, 2023, 07:39:56 pm »
LFTs aren't that accurate for the current variants of Covid, often needing quite a high viral load before they go off if at all.

I think it's only wise for any of us with "possible Covid" symptoms to assume it 'may be Covid' and treat it accordingly for ourselves (rest rest rest and don't fuck about if you need medical support) and don't spread the damned thing.

Hope you are mildly affected by whatever it is, it fucks off soonest.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4315 on: 09 May, 2023, 09:12:13 pm »
LFTs aren't that accurate for the current variants of Covid, often needing quite a high viral load before they go off if at all.
Do you have the reference for this?  I am struggling to find source data for it.  The second half of the statement has always been true relative to PCR but I am not aware that it has changed significantly. 

I know there are a lot of people getting bad colds with negative LFD tests and these may be Covid or they may just be a bad cold.

Wowbagger

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4316 on: 09 May, 2023, 09:21:29 pm »
On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being at death's door and 10 being tickety-boo, I'd say I'm probably a 7. I feel "a bit rough". I'm mildly achy and I have an intermittent cough. My throat isn't very sore, but it is a bit uncomfortable. I also have arthritis symptoms, the first time for quite a while, but I did eat Too Much Ice Cream over the weekend and I and sure that dairy is not good for the joints, or my joints, I should say.
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hellymedic

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4317 on: 09 May, 2023, 09:21:56 pm »
LFTs aren't that accurate for the current variants of Covid, often needing quite a high viral load before they go off if at all.
Do you have the reference for this?  I am struggling to find source data for it.  The second half of the statement has always been true relative to PCR but I am not aware that it has changed significantly. 
I know there are a lot of people getting bad colds with negative LFD tests and these may be Covid or they may just be a bad cold.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/234154/lateral-flow-tests-missing-substantial-number/

The groundswell from my medical Twitter friends is very much the same as barakta's quoted asertion.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4318 on: 09 May, 2023, 10:34:06 pm »
No. That is not the question. That study is from 2022 and does not relate to the newer variations but as has always been the case discusses the efficacy of the LFDs over the whole time scale. It is also part of the altSAGE grouping.
I am happy to accept that it is anecdata but we do the truth no good at all when we push stories that are not substantiated.

barakta

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4319 on: 09 May, 2023, 11:21:22 pm »
GOV.UK suggests it can take p to 4 days after symptoms start for LFTs to show Covid positivity.

It doesn't seem to specify that the latest variants are less detectable, so I may have been wrong there, but like Helly says, Medic Twitter seems to be saying pretty much.

Regardless, it would be nice if people stayed the feck at home with their Whatever It Is Lurgy and took steps not to spread it if at all possible... My boss has come into work twice now with "just a cold" that turned out to be Covid n days later which is one reason I'm staying the feck away.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4320 on: 10 May, 2023, 06:59:27 am »
GOV.UK suggests it can take p to 4 days after symptoms start for LFTs to show Covid positivity.

It doesn't seem to specify that the latest variants are less detectable, so I may have been wrong there, but like Helly says, Medic Twitter seems to be saying pretty much.

Regardless, it would be nice if people stayed the feck at home with their Whatever It Is Lurgy and took steps not to spread it if at all possible... My boss has come into work twice now with "just a cold" that turned out to be Covid n days later which is one reason I'm staying the feck away.

Yesterday I had to sit through compulsory training videos.

One of which was about health and safety at work.

Pleasingly, it told people to stay away from the office if ill, and to wash hands.
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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4321 on: 10 May, 2023, 07:28:29 am »
Thank you but we agree there is no evidence that they are less able to detect the newer strains.
We should expect that vaccinated people will have lower viral loads, plus the increasing socialisation means multiple other viruses are around and spreading quickly in what is now a “naive” population. This all adds up to a lower pre-test probability of being positive and lower positive rates.
If we the supposedly sensible and honest do not police ourselves in what we say we give Laurence Fox and his allies an open goal.

ian

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4322 on: 10 May, 2023, 08:16:09 am »
The story about LFTs being unable or less able to detect the whatever the variant du jour is have been around since the beginning (remember that the initial story from some – fed by the usual suspects – was that LFTs were ineffective).They have proven to be consistently effective within the expected bounds of performance. All the ones I know about use polyclonal IgG antibodies that recognise a range of epitopes on the spike protein. As such it's far less sensitive to mutational changes than PCR (which relies on small regions of nucleic acid in which changes can have significant effects – this is why the standard PCR assay looks at three regions, and indeed, drops in binding efficiency have help track variants – there are QC processes and internal controls to monitor this).

LFTs are, of course, less sensitive; but counter to that PCR is in some circumstances oversensitive, detecting viral RNA long after infection (leading to those frothy 'omg, covid found in brain' stories, because yes, that's what happens post-viral infection, all that degraded viral nucleic acid from lysed and dying cells floats around in your blood and lymph, larger pieces removed through antibody binding and phagocytosis, the rest slowly degrading – there's no specific extracellular pathway to remove nucleic acid – till you piss it out, which may take days to weeks depending on initial viral load.

As Chris says, disputing known things isn't helpful, this is why I rag on Independent Sage who have driven a good degree of this misinformation (not to helped to politicised this amongst their many social media followers), and indeed, this approach drives counter misinformation all the way through to anti-vax propaganda. They should – but won't – take some responsibility for this.

The test works, and the sensible assumption, which is also known is that there isn't a lot of covid circulating so a negative test probably means you don't have covid. Everyone in the UK has significant and broad immunity through vaccine and exposure and it seems the virus has already exploited much of its ability to evade that immunity. There are, as there has always been, many other viruses which have, of course, taken the opportunity to spread again.

As ever sensible advice to avoid people and take time off work if ill, but we really ought to bear in mind (another unlearned lesson from the lockdown era where modestly affluent middle-class people made a virtue of outsourcing their risk to delivery drivers and the like), that the luxury of taking a week or two off work is just that for many people.

Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4323 on: 10 May, 2023, 08:23:11 am »
One thing lockdown has done, in our office at least, is make it 'OK' to work from home if you're ill. I'm not sure I'm OK with this, if you're ill, you're ill, and you shouldn't be working. It's easy for me to say that, though, because as senior management (hollow laughter) I get full pay for sick time. My underlings get nothing for the first 3 days then SSP. Historically they used to use their holiday allowance. I flexed my management discretion as often as possible to make it authorised leave on full pay but I shouldn't have had to.

Kim

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Re: The health and fitness thread about random things
« Reply #4324 on: 10 May, 2023, 12:58:21 pm »
Yes, the issue with LFTs was always that they were good at telling you you do have COVID, and bad at telling you that you don't.  Which was fine until we started misusing them as a diagnostic test, rather than a practical way to do mass screening.

But ultimately, in terms of spreading infection at least, it doesn't matter that much whether it's COVID or some other lurgy.  You should keep it to yourself, and your employers/school won't allow you to.  'twas ever thus.