Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => OT Knowledge => Topic started by: Mrs Pingu on 03 January, 2017, 09:02:07 pm
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It's time! I think the roof is fixed now (touches really huge piece of wood) so hopefully I can get the bathroom done this year....
Thing is, I have absolutely no idea what is considered good in the world of bathing. No plans to move at the moment so let's assume this is a bathroom built for my exacting tastes rather than something cheap, shiny & sellable. It's not going to be a wet room either. I don't normally mind doing my research into what products are good, but bathrooms seem a bit, unreviewed.
It's a pretty small room, I don't think there's any scope for moving any of the items so I think we're just replacing what's there. So, please recommend me a model or good brand of:
A toilet, that isn't 'floating', isn't square, doesn't have any poxy buttons to get jammed and has a decent enough flush to get rid of the occasional big log. No jobbie inspection platform required.
A double length shower cubicle, preferably one with fewer areas for grot to build up. Our current one has a sliding door, the track of which is just great for collecting grot. Not sure if we have enough room for a pivot door though, will have to measure. Because the shower butts up to a sloping ceiling there is only really one place for the shower itself to be mounted (on the long wall near the entrance end).
A shower, thermostatic mixer is a must. Am ambivalent about having a rainfall head or not, there will be a head on a flexible hose whatever happens.
A decent hand basin. Something that you can use for more than just rinsing the tips of your fingers. Probably one which sits on the top. A good under sink cabinet. None of this floating nonsense again, that's just wasted space to collect cat hair and other grollies IMO. Not a pop up waste plug either, ours is crap. And as for the bottle trap that collects liquid soap :sick:
An extractor fan. We've got one built into the window already but I suspect it's time for a new one and I wonder if we really need a bigger more sucky one, judging by all the mould round the window....
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We have a diagonal toilet. I have no idea how instead of a Japanese nuclear toilet with enough computation to risk emergent sentience I ended up paying several hundred pounds for a toilet that merely juts at a jaunty forty five degrees from the corner of the room. This is what happens when someone you happen to be married to thrusts the 82nd bathroom catalogue of the day under your nose and you grunt affirmation just to make it go away. It cost a lot more than a perpendicular toilet, has a soft-close lid and a fortunately a limitless appetite for poo. The cistern is hidden away somewhere so I'm going to cry like a big baby man if it ever needs fixing and then I'll call a grown-up who'll laugh at me.
Get a rainfall shower. If for no better reason than it makes you sing in the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight every time you use it. No idea where the cubicle came from, but it had a Scandinavian name and cost more than other cubicles. I think it's bulletproof though, to be honest, no one has yet tried to assassinate me in the shower. Other than the faded LED on the Aqualisa unit, I'm a very happy showerer.
Baths are very expensive for what is effectively a large bucket. Mine is made out some kind of composite that promises exciting things like thermal inertia. Taps are also expensive, and once you've put your unique chromium stamp on your bathroom you'll find that every hotel in the known universe has the same bloody taps. At least I can work the mixer showers in pretty much any hotel.
Tiles, oh god, I don't want to even think about tiles ever again. Our extractor fan goes up through the ceiling and out the roof and is cunningly disguised as a spotlight fitting (with a light in the middle).
Pick an amount you want to budget. Double it. Then add some more.
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Our bathroom has been in place for eighteen months and has been remarkably faultless in the time. I'll try and find the spec sheets. All I can recall of the top of my head is that the bath is Carronite and the taps are Bristan but you don't want a bath...
Our shower 'cubicle' is 900x1700 with glass walls and a walk in gap. The shower is a Triton mixer run from the condensing boiler. I'll try and find the details of the rest as soon as I can. We ordered from Eastbrook through our builder who got us his discount from the local merchant. I recall now that the basin and basin cabinet are called Oslo.
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Ah yes, the glass panels were Corniche and the tray is 1700 x 900.
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There is no bath, hence the long shower enclosure. I'm not having tiles either, they got ditched with the last enclosure. Aqaupanel may not be de rigueur but it's easy to clean :thumbsup:
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Excellent decision. We've used the bath about half a dozen times in 18 months.
The loo is the Metro from the Eastbrook catalogue.
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Oh I forgot about towel rails vs radiators, tell me about them too :)
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PB, with your walk in shower do you find water escapes to where it shouldn't, or is it just a much easier to clean thing?
(I suspect it won't work for our ceiling vs shower arrangement)
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Our towel rail is useless. You can get one towel on it. And it's rubbish as a radiator. In Brum you could get a towel on the radiator and it also worked well as a radiator.
Better towel rails probably exist though.
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Buy British or Spanish, the Glaze on Chinese pots is not good enough, particularly in hard water areas. Aqualisa showers are rather good. I have yet to find a decent lav seat. You would think that they would have this sorted by now. Expelair are ok but not what they used to be, but can buy low voltage models. Screwfix have some nice looking chunky 'victorian' towel rails with cast iron rad inserts.
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Towel rails are very nice but a lot less efficient than a rad. We kept a rad and hang the towels on rails*. We looked at dual fuel towel rails also so that one can have heat when the weather warms and the central heating is off but didn't bite. Stopping in a cottage on Arran put me off electric towel rails.
When doing the full restoration we put thick celotex lined plasterboard on the walls and the bathroom is very warm now so in fact we could have got away with less efficiency from a towel rail.
We were fortunate in that we were swapping the third bedroom into a new bathroom so we had the use of the existing bathroom whilst work was in progress. This meant that we could take our time to get the project completed properly. We were very fortunate in this regard. Doing the kitchen this year highlighted to us just how fortunate we were having use of the bathroom during works last year.
* Actually, this was the plan but in fact like minging plebs we drape the towels over the handrail along the landing. :-[
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Buy British or Spanish, the Glaze on Chinese pots is not good enough, particularly in hard water areas. Aqualisa showers are rather good. I have yet to find a decent lav seat. Expelair are ok but not what they used to be but can buy low voltage.
Our lav seats are superb imo. You'll have to pass ... opinion when you drop in in three weeks. :D
Our fan isn't Expelair, but again i cannot recall the name. John the Sparky recommended it and it's been very good.
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If you're getting condensation and mould it's worth fitting a decent extractor fan and not one of the budget wickes/B&Q type offerings.
I installed a centrifugal extractor fan, opening is in the ceiling, vents to outside wall. All duct work is insulated to reduce condensation inside the ducting & ducting from fan to outside wall slopes downwards so any condenation runs out.
It has eradicated our problem with mould not just in the bathroom but also other parts of the house. Only drawback is it is perhaps too powerful. I usually just run it for 5 minutes after I've showered.
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Bog'n'basin, Laufen. Models/designs to taste. Used in enough commercial settings, especially in FORRIN, that you can have some confidence they'll last.
Taps, thermo shower etc, Hudson Reed (or other Ultra Finishings brands). Work well, 10 year warranty, excellent customer service. Comparable to Grohe in quality and a lot cheaper.
Shower cubicle, screen etc, Cesana. Sit down before consulting the price list, and shop around for a deal.
If you go for a towel rail and were planning a chrome finish, get a stainless steel one instead. Better heat transmission, which offsets a little of the reduced efficiency.
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My bathroom came with a rad instead of a towel rail. I put a row of coat hooks above it and hang the towels from them. This works surprisingly well :)
[edit] like this
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/447/32119361376_96cb8b0107.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QWh87G)
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PB, with your walk in shower do you find water escapes to where it shouldn't, or is it just a much easier to clean thing?
(I suspect it won't work for our ceiling vs shower arrangement)
Only a very very small amount escapes through the walk in gap though not nearly enough to fret about. It is very easy to clean too with clean lines everywhere.
We tiled but really should have had custom acrylic or even glass panels.
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Oh god, don't start me on the bathroom. I've got more than enough to spend money on thank you very much. I did have an extractor fitted and it moves a lot of pretty quietly. I'll see if I can recall the spec.
The thoughts on baths are interesting. In the 6 months since we moved in the dog has used it a few times, Mrs B twice and my usage is a round figure. A very round figure.
Hmm. You've got me thinking. GIT! I can't afford it. ;)
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Oh and Bristan taps etc are very good.
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Holy crap, £3000 for a shower? Just the hosing down bit? Hahahahahahahahaha
One thing I decided through several self catering and hotel stays is to have a shower controlled by knobs. Not one of those ghastly tilt and twist lever things that you twat with your arse/elbow (depending on height) leading to the shower going off/freezing/scalding.
I'm thinking that a hinged or pivot door will have less places for skank accumulation than sliding doors?
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RRPs are, of course, a work of fiction.
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We've recently had a (first in 17 years) bathroom makeover and for the first time in 17 years, it's now a room I don't mind using:
(http://staff.city.ac.uk/~jwo/acf/bathroom.jpg)
I know you said you didn't want a wet room, and I'm not sure if ours qualifies as such, but is there any possibility to have the shower area with non-enclosed opening (as to right of photo)? This can save on space and avoids the faff of swinging or sliding doors.
The biggest single difference for me though was underfloor heating - helps keep the room dry and pleasant and makes getting out of the shower or bath a joy. We went for a towel rail rather than radiator (partly thanks to the underfloor heating). It is quite a large one though (just visible in the mirror) and works well for two full sized towels.
I'd recommend an extractor fan with a humidity-based switch rather than timer so you don't activate the shuttle-on-launchpad noise with a midnight wee (unless of course you do a really humid wee).
I agree that a floor mounted loo is less risky when it comes to plumbing problems than a wall mounted one with hidden cistern. However, we went for a floating sink/drawer unit which makes keeping the room clean a little easier.
Oh, and for maximim geek points, I designed the layout of our blue tiles on the shower area wall based on the hashcode of my and my partner's names (really, I did). Well it gives alien archaeologists from the future something to do when they're sifting through the ruins following the Trumpocalypse.
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Haha, now you see I look at your floating unit and think "there's 6 inches of wasted storage space" :D
It's very nice though. I like the geeky tile thing :D
I don't think I can have a non door shower like yours as the entrance would have to be where your cistern is. (Because where your shower is I have a sloping ceiling, and although neither Pingu or I are very tall, we're not dwarves).
For my bathroom imagine the shower and toilet are in the same place as yours. The window is above the loo and shower. The adjoining wall is between your toilet & sink. The radiator is on the wall opposite your shower. My sink is out of shot past the end of your shower on the right.
Maybe tomorrow I'll post a photo.
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I'd recommend an extractor fan with a humidity-based switch rather than timer so you don't activate the shuttle-on-launchpad noise with a midnight wee (unless of course you do a really humid wee).
This is an excellent suggestion, because overrun timers are a work of Stan, and nobody needs the shock of walking in on someone pooing in the dark because hearing people don't like extractor fans.
For midnight wees, ideally a bathroom would have lighting with more than one state, with sensible controls. Our current arrangement - constrained as it is by not being able to modify the bathroom - is that the alerting module on the shelf above the bog is programmed to draw an '⠇' in 100% red when it detects someone in the bathroom at night. I suspect this isn't quite enough for penis people to achieve proper aim, but it is sufficient to check the bog for deadly spiders, not trip over any stray boots, and leaves your night vision intact for the return to bed. Anyway, it doesn't have to be this complicated, but a mirror lamp switched independently from the bright-enough-to-clean-by main light would certainly be more optimal than the traditional solution of a tired old compact fluorescent that takes slightly more than a bladder-emptying to get going.
Oh, and for maximim geek points, I designed the layout of our blue tiles on the shower area wall based on the hashcode of my and my partner's names (really, I did). Well it gives alien archaeologists from the future something to do when they're sifting through the ruins following the Trumpocalypse.
Programmers with IBS, TAAW. If you're going to have tiles with abstract (but not rotationally symmetrical) patterns on them and not fit them a consistent way up, then they need to encode something interesting. Gives us something to do when we've read the label on the bleach for the 7th time. Forumites will be disappointed to learn that CrinklyLion's bathroom wall doesn't appear to spell out anything in Morse or ASCII.
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We have a diagonal toilet.
For those with young boys in the household, it is one less wall to clean.
Using the German Schluter KERDI-LINE drain may help you avoid step-over conditions getting into and out of the shower stall. Rather like a shallow trenchdrain.
Do consider what is known on my side of the pond as "universal design". Even if you can't get to the story where the bath is in a wheelchair, anything that you can do now to prepare for perhaps using a walker for a month or so due to an injury, etc. is a good thing. Similarly (though there are towel bars which work for grab/assistance bars, and don't look like something from an institution), at least installing backing in any walls you may open up, for future bar attachment, is a good thing. Especially if you are hoping to live in your home for a long time.
By accident, in one remodel we ended up with sinks (his/her) that had a view out of the window (versus mirror in front). Small mirrors slightly to the side take care of seeing what I'm about to cut with my razor. When we built a new home 26 years ago, that feature was repeated. Looking out the window in the morning, while getting ready to face the day, is pleasant.
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Apropos towel rails versus radiators, this is the one in Miss von Brandenburg's bathroom:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/611/32095096745_65f59c91f6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QU8L5Z)
Towel radiator (https://flic.kr/p/QU8L5Z) by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/), on Flickr
The basin on the right is at normal basin height so the things is quite* tall and acts as a very effective radiator and is good for towels too.
* 57" from floor to top of rad, rad is 46" from top to bottom, tape measure handily draped over rad for no readily apparent reason imperial-only.
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We did think about underfloor heating, one of my regrets tbh as we had to have the floor redone anyway for the tiling, but that said, I find it toasty enough in there with a largish towel rail. We did dither with the walk in shower with no tray, but that's dangerous wet room territory and I've too-many-water-dripping-from-the-downstairs ceiling stories. Our bathroom is somewhat constrained by having a large six foot window across one wall. Jo wins on the tidiness front (I don't think he's human, he probably tumbled to Earth from Space, mine looks like a bomb has gone off in a laundry). Excellent geek points though for the wall though. An elegantly coded CDC opportunity missed though, maybe.
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It's not normally that tidy, but the architects who pimped our flat wanted some posh photos so we had to tidy up. This was the result of the full redesign (https://www.dezeen.com/2016/12/19/evering-road-scenario-architecture-wooden-house-extension-larch-london-uk/) (without the bathroom photo though) .
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Just re-built a shower enclosure in our 1st floor en-suite. Did it in 2004 and had to do it again when the hall ceiling showed damp.
Used a Mira Flite tray with 4 upstands, and Reef PVC wall panels on 3 sides, all fitted inside the upstands so water cannot get behind the panels and away into the stud walls. Used the manufacturer's recommended adhesive and sealants.
Then a bifold door with no central frame along the hinge, so less visual intrusion.
Junked the old MIRA mixer as this was behind the old wall panels. Wasn't leaking and worked OK, but didn't fancy ripping all my new investment out when the old mixer (25yo) eventually packs up. Went for a new MIRA bar mixer that simply fits inside the enclosure, so if it ever malfunctions I can get at the bits to fix it.
Had previously used wall panels, but laminated wooden ones - never again. Any leaks and the wood begins to rot, hence the problem. The new pvc ones are never going to rot.
Loads of challenges, like new tray not same size as the old one, so walls had to be re-battened to take the new panels, nothing quite square, so lots of measuring before cutting, and lots of deep breaths with the panels at £100 each.......
Anyway, all went well in the end and v pleased.
I think robustness, simplicity and fixability is the watchword with shower enclosures on a wooden floor - everything moves a little bit, and mastic joints eventually leak. You have to beef everything up, and double, double engineer it.
I'm 62, and that's the last time I'm doing this...... If you ever hear of a recumbent cyclist leaving his bike on the Britannia Bridge and jumping off, it's because the sodd*ng shower's leaked again.......
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We do wet-floor showers, not whole wet rooms, and for rooms with floorboards, the spec is shave the joists and fit a tray such as Contour or AKW, then cover with suitable flooring. There might be some marine ply in there somewhere too, but I can't find a copy of the spec document. We spec Mira showers. Can't remember which fans.
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It's not normally that tidy, but the architects who pimped our flat wanted some posh photos so we had to tidy up. This was the result of the full redesign (https://www.dezeen.com/2016/12/19/evering-road-scenario-architecture-wooden-house-extension-larch-london-uk/) (without the bathroom photo though) .
Whoo, that's like proper ES property porn that is. You should hire a pair of photogenic children so you can pose with 'Olivia' and 'Joshua' for the usual Wednesday homes-you-won't-ever-afford supplement (I confess, we play child name bingo with that supplement, though I'm still waiting for a megascoring 'Poppy'). I have sadly discovered after having all the sixties stuff ripped out of our house, it's now retro trendy. I'm doomed to neutral shaded modernity.
We have matching toilets though (minus our hidden cistern).
Apropos of hidden wall messaging, in our first house, during the obligatory decorating-with-beer (occasionally literally) enthusiasm that greets first time home owners with limited funds, we daubed childishy rude messages about each other over the walls and then, sensibly, painted over them. Job done. Except thereafter, whenever the light was at the right angle, the words showed up. There's probably some people now in SE4 pondering why 'IAN IS A BIG BABOON' is daubed in two foot high letters down their hallway.
In other news, I didn't entirely trust the humidity sensors not to fail, so we have a timed extractor but it's an ultra-silent one so isn't terribly audible outside the bathroom (the reason it pretends to be a light fitting is that it's part of the spotlight over the shower). We have a little socket light to illuminate our nocturnal micturition adventures. My only real gripe with the final bathroom was that we got a slimline hand basin which means wet feet when you wash your face and the huge window (not a lot we could do about that) which condenses out any steam very ably. Were it not for the window we'd have split the bathroom into an en suite shower room and separate bathroom.
(The reason I fear the leak is our last place, a new build with an en suite shower that leaked numerous times, eventually the cause turned out the be original tiler who, on running out of adhesive, rather than get some more, bodged everything together with grout.)
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Current state of affairs
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/357/32065677236_657c6728e4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QRwYG5)2017-01-04_06-37-33 (https://flic.kr/p/QRwYG5) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
You can probably see now why it's such a PITA to clean the mould off the windows- high up, far back and no room to get a stepladder in there.
Also the hateful sink, hateful pop up waste and hateful glass 'worktop' which shows up everything.
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I'll probably have all those tiles off the sloping ceiling and replaced with acrylic panel as well.
Also, not great need for clever fan solutions as there is current a separate switch for light and fan. Wouldn't mind one that went off for by itself though.
Trying to work out why the room gets so steamy. Noticed in the (tiny) shower room at work today that it wasn't at all steamy, despite the fan in the ceiling appearing to do nothing. Possibly to do with it being an insipid electric shower at work..?
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Can you swap the shower and sink round to increase headroom and panel clearance?
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What! No, rubber ducky? Shame!
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Yikes!!
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Yikes!!
To what?
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Can you swap the shower and sink round to increase headroom and panel clearance?
I suspect not as the shower will then be right next to the door. We don't really have a problem with the current headroom where the headset is located now being as we're both short arses.
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Yikes!!
To what?
Clearly to the lack of rubber duckies.
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Yikes!!
To what?
Clearly to the lack of rubber duckies.
Don't rubber duckies swim south for the winter?
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Yikes!!
To what?
Clearly to the lack of rubber duckies.
No bath, no rubber duckies. That would be cruelty to rubber duckies.
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Yikes!!
To what?
No.
This is a serious question.
Over to you, Adam.
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Yikes!!
To what?
Clearly to the lack of rubber duckies.
No bath, no rubber duckies. That would be cruelty to rubber duckies.
So how can it be a bathroom?
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Yikes!!
To what?
Clearly to the lack of rubber duckies.
No bath, no rubber duckies. That would be cruelty to rubber duckies.
So how can it be a bathroom?
It's a room for bathing in then, as opposed to a room with a bath.
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It could be an American bathroom?
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It could be an American bathroom?
No, because there isn't a door in front of the pan with a three foot gap at the bottom.
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And a terrifying flush mechanism.
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Heated toilet seat. If we remodel our bathroom or buy a new place, this will be one of first changes to be made.
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Can you swap the shower and sink round to increase headroom and panel clearance?
Actually standing in the bathroom now, definitely not. The shower would stick out into the door frame.
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Can you swap the shower and sink round to increase headroom and panel clearance?
Actually standing in the bathroom now, definitely not. The shower would stick out into the door frame.
Bum. That framed glass panel into the window space looks less than optimal to me.
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Can you swap the shower and sink round to increase headroom and panel clearance?
Actually standing in the bathroom now, definitely not. The shower would stick out into the door frame.
Bum. That framed glass panel into the window space looks less than optimal to me.
It's always been like that so I've never really noticed, the lack of easy access to the window I find more of an issue. I suppose I could get a shorter cubicle and have the bit next to the wall for storage.
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Yikes to more building work.
I would only go for a wet room upstairs if you can guarantee that the floor won't move at all, ever.
If I was making one upstairs, which I wouldn't as I'd have a shower tray to catch the water, I'd lay 2 layers of marine ply laid with staggered joints and add a couple of flitch plates along two joists. These are full length 6mm thick metal plates bolted to the joists, which will stiffen the floor. If you can bed them in the wall, even better, but they will need to go across the full span of the joist. Then you'll have a floor that won't move and compromise the waterproofing of the floor.
Wet rooms are very nice and they can be used where space is tight. I'm going to be installing one downstairs at home with underfloor heating in the summer. It's having a concrete floor which I know is going to be structurally stable, because I'll be making it doubly so. With water in the house, the devil is in the detail, but you know that anyway.
Matki do nice showers and Damixa do nice taps/controls, but they're not cheap.
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This is the one I bought for upstairs, but it needs a bit of space.
http://www.matki.co.uk/Product/Original-Walk-In-Corner
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Yeah I'm not entertaining a wet room, that way insanity lies. That's a nice shower enclosure but I suspect it's too deep. Need to measure and make a diagram....
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Seeings you're going for a full rebuild, could you not pinch a bit of space from the room on the other side of the wall the shower is on and move the shower over a bit ?
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Heated toilet seat. If we remodel our bathroom or buy a new place, this will be one of first changes to be made.
I don't think I've ever actually encountered such a thing, though I've read about them on the interwebs. Are there advantages over the low-tech wood solution?
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Seeings you're going for a full rebuild, could you not pinch a bit of space from the room on the other side of the wall the shower is on and move the shower over a bit ?
Definitely not, being as that room is the kitchen that I just had done at great expense in 2015. :o
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We had extensive work done on our place not long after we moved in, over 10 years ago. The kitchen was knocked through into the old bathroom, and the new bathroom installed in the next room along. It was great to be able to create the new bathroom from scratch, gives you a lot of freedom.
We got our fittings from Bathstore and the builders installed them. Only problem was the chap who did the job was actually a carpenter, not a plumber, and he made various cock-ups, so we subsequently had to get the local bathroom specialists in to do the job properly. That said, the bespoke fitted cabinets are excellent, so the carpentry skills didn't go entirely to waste.
A toilet, that isn't 'floating', isn't square, doesn't have any poxy buttons to get jammed and has a decent enough flush to get rid of the occasional big log. No jobbie inspection platform required.
Our toilet is 'floating' with a concealed cistern - at my wife's insistence. Her reasoning being ease of cleaning. I was dubious about it at first but it has been fine. No plumbing problems at all. However, the cistern was one of the jobs that was cocked up and had to be redone, which involved the cabinet being extended upwards. The new cistern has a Geberit flush mechanism, which has performed reliably for something like 10 years now. Highly recommended.
Our current one has a sliding door, the track of which is just great for collecting grot. Not sure if we have enough room for a pivot door though, will have to measure.
We ended up with a bi-fold shower door - the make is Kudos. Again, seems to be very reliable and sturdy. it folds very neatly to allow entry/exit in limited space (shower is next to bathroom door) and can be incorporated into panels as wide as you like. The shower isn't totally enclosed, so ventilation isn't a problem.
A shower, thermostatic mixer is a must. Am ambivalent about having a rainfall head or not, there will be a head on a flexible hose whatever happens.
Ours is a Hudson-Reed thermostatic mixer connected to the mains, with a dual output with a 'rainfall' head and secondary head on a flexible hose. The original mixer tap failed after a few years, can't remember why, but I replaced the inner workings - got the parts direct from Hudson-Reed - and it has been fine ever since.
We're lucky in that we have a combi boiler and the shower is quite close to where the water main enters the house, so we have excellent pressure and an unlimited supply of hot water. We stayed at my brother's over Christmas and he was raving about his new shower but it's a desultory dribble compared to ours.
A decent hand basin. Something that you can use for more than just rinsing the tips of your fingers. Probably one which sits on the top. A good under sink cabinet. None of this floating nonsense again, that's just wasted space to collect cat hair and other grollies IMO.
Ours is built into the top of a cabinet. While I largely agree with you about wasted space, the only problem with not having that space under the sink is you have to stand slightly further away from it - unless you have stumpy feet.
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Yikes to more building work.
I would only go for a wet room upstairs if you can guarantee that the floor won't move at all, ever.
If I was making one upstairs, which I wouldn't as I'd have a shower tray to catch the water, I'd lay 2 layers of marine ply laid with staggered joints and add a couple of flitch plates along two joists. These are full length 6mm thick metal plates bolted to the joists, which will stiffen the floor. If you can bed them in the wall, even better, but they will need to go across the full span of the joist. Then you'll have a floor that won't move and compromise the waterproofing of the floor.
Wet rooms are very nice and they can be used where space is tight. I'm going to be installing one downstairs at home with underfloor heating in the summer. It's having a concrete floor which I know is going to be structurally stable, because I'll be making it doubly so. With water in the house, the devil is in the detail, but you know that anyway.
Matki do nice showers and Damixa do nice taps/controls, but they're not cheap.
The shower trays we use are rated for up to 42 stone, so unlikely to move. How are you going to do the fall and drainage on a concrete floor? Screed the floor? Pumped waste?
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This is an excellent suggestion, because overrun timers are a work of Stan, and nobody needs the shock of walking in on someone pooing in the dark because hearing people don't like extractor fans.
;D
I am that hearing person.
I did fit a lock to the bathroom door for the purpose of preventing interruptions but I'm the only one who actually uses it. ::-)
Our extractor fan was reasonably quiet at first (at least, I don't remember the noise being a problem) but it has got increasingly noisy over the years, presumably as the bearings have worn out. It's especially annoying because the bathroom is next to my home office, and certain people have a habit of leaving the sodding light on so I have to sit and listen to its monotonous drone until I get up and turn it off myself, and then wait another ten minutes for the timer to run out.
Finally, just before Christmas, it died and is now mercifully silent. Which I'm loving. Although I guess it would be a good idea to replace it if we don't want to end up with a mouldy bathroom.
I suspect this isn't quite enough for penis people to achieve proper aim
Midnight micturition mishaps can be avoided by the simple expedient of sitting down.
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How's this for storage, Mrs P?
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The carpenter wasn't entirely hopeless. Piano hinges and magnetic door catches meant we could do away with handles for added neatness.
Because we no longer have a hot water cylinder, there's a small radiator in the tall cupboard and the shelves are slatted, so it functions as an airing cupboard. There's also a shaver socket in the under-sink cupboard - that was my wife's idea, I would rather have had it above the counter. And the shaving mirror has a built-in light, which is handy at night when you don't want the extractor fan to come on but don't want to poo in the dark.
We have even more storage built into the divider between the bath and shower:
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I really should get around to finishing off the edges one day...
The mirror over the bath (custom made by a local glazier, not as expensive as you might imagine) actually extends all the way down to the edge of the bath, but the bath was another thing that was cocked up at initial installation and had to be replaced. The replacement fitter suggested the tiles to make a more flexible join between bath edge and mirror. We also had the taps replaced with an Aqualisa electronic bath filler - just press the button to start the hot water running. Only trouble is it's very slow so it takes about half an hour to fill the bath to an acceptable level. Not that I care because I hate baths and only use the shower.
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Here's the floating bog, with a partition between it and the sink for a modest degree of modesty...
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CBA to tidy the bathroom to jo's standards just for taking a few pictures.
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I don't have any experience with self-contained shower enclosures, but there is an interesting article here (http://www.sunfrost.com/blog/sun-frost-energy-efficient-shower-version-4-0/) that makes it seem like a Very Nice Idea. Having something like that made would also mean you wouldn't have that awkward corner of the screen sticking into the dormer space, but you'd need more of a corner entrance to the shower (which might be better use of the space).
Put some storage over the cistern so you aren't cluttering up the window, and a continuous counter/cabinet from basin to shower with a heated towel rail above so you can easily grab a warm towel from either. :thumbsup:
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Yikes to more building work.
I would only go for a wet room upstairs if you can guarantee that the floor won't move at all, ever.
If I was making one upstairs, which I wouldn't as I'd have a shower tray to catch the water, I'd lay 2 layers of marine ply laid with staggered joints and add a couple of flitch plates along two joists. These are full length 6mm thick metal plates bolted to the joists, which will stiffen the floor. If you can bed them in the wall, even better, but they will need to go across the full span of the joist. Then you'll have a floor that won't move and compromise the waterproofing of the floor.
Wet rooms are very nice and they can be used where space is tight. I'm going to be installing one downstairs at home with underfloor heating in the summer. It's having a concrete floor which I know is going to be structurally stable, because I'll be making it doubly so. With water in the house, the devil is in the detail, but you know that anyway.
Matki do nice showers and Damixa do nice taps/controls, but they're not cheap.
The shower trays we use are rated for up to 42 stone, so unlikely to move. How are you going to do the fall and drainage on a concrete floor? Screed the floor? Pumped waste?
With a tray, you wouldn't need all the stiffening, but I'd still pull up the floorboards and put a piece of marine ply under it, because it will then be flat.
In the concrete floor it will be leca, insulation, slab, underfloor heating in insulated modules, screed then tiles. The whole screed would be laid to a fall towards the drain in the floor.
Lots of insulation, as it can get to -20ºC in the winter and stay there for a couple of months.
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Our extractor fan was reasonably quiet at first (at least, I don't remember the noise being a problem) but it has got increasingly noisy over the years, presumably as the bearings have worn out.
Experience of computer fans suggests that crud accumulation on the blades/grille is a significant source of noise. Not that I'd relish cleaning one.
Actually, given the choice, if I were fitting a bathroom extractor fan, I'd go for one of those ducted ones that fits inline in the roof space. Means you don't need to faff about or obtain the exact same fan years later when it's knackered, and probably makes the wiring easier. They do seem to run quieter too, unless the builders cock up the anti-vibration mounting.
Midnight micturition mishaps can be avoided by the simple expedient of sitting down.
Works for me.
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if I were fitting a bathroom extractor fan, I'd go for one of those ducted ones that fits inline in the roof space.
That's what we have. Still a noisy bastard though. (Well, it was until it died.)
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Our extractor is ducted – the motor and noisy parts are in the loft – hence it's pretty much just the sound of the air being extracted through the combo light fitting-hole and a distant barely audible buzz somewhere above.
I am a little horrified about the bath-shy nature of some of you. Surely there is no greater pleasure than soaking with a beer and good book, like a very urbane hippopotamus, in a giant bath brimming with hot, sudsy water?
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Nahh, I've seen what hippopotamuses like to do in water.
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An urbane hippopotamus wouldn't do that.
Any green colouration is the Badedas, bubble bath of the gods.
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I like the idea but the reality never lives up to it. Baths are not designed for comfort, especially when holding a book, and the water never stays hot enough for long, even if you've spent a fortune on a bath made of resin with supposed heat-retaining properties.
Besides which, you're essentially stewing in a broth of your own grime.
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Besides which, you're essentially stewing in a broth of your own grime.
This is what puts me off. And the general faff of rinsing long hair in a bath compared to under a shower. If you're going to use the shower to rinse yourself off anyway, why not save all that extra water and do your reading in bed?
What a bath *is* good for is rebooting the circulation in your feet.
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I'm never that grimy. I wash off in the swimming pool.
I use hot water, about the temperature of magma, and my bath delivers on that thermal inertia. That gives me a good hour of soak before I even have to contemplate getting out. With a good cold beer and a Kindle, I'm in hippo-heaven.
There's nothing better, to be honest, than cycling home on a cold, cold night and diving into a hot bath. All those aches and cold simply evaporate.
My wife views my bathing habits with disgust though. So I think it's a marmite thing. But good god, don't bathe in warm marmite, that's a kink too far.
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But good god, don't bathe in warm marmite, that's a kink too far.
I think we can all agree on that.
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Experience of computer fans suggests that crud accumulation on the blades/grille is a significant source of noise.
Spurred into action by talking about it, I've just been into the loft space to investigate. It does look quite plausible that dust/crud is the culprit - never occurred to me that this would be a problem with an extractor fan.
It's unbranded and labelled in German - what I initially thought was the name of the manufacturer turned out to be German for 'this way up'. I've no idea if it's any good or just some cheap generic crap that builders buy in bulk, nor is there any indication of the power/extraction rate etc. I'm now trying to work out what we need by way of a replacement and how much it's worth spending...
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But good god, don't bathe in warm marmite, that's a kink too far.
I think we can all agree on that.
Indeed, we all know that Marmite should be spread very thinly, whether that is on toast or over the body.
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Back of a fag packet measurements here
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How about flippiny your loo and shower so that the shower cubicle runs the entire width and you loo has full headroom above for a shelf or cabinet? You could have a single glass screen with a gap at what is currently the loo end.
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How about flippiny your loo and shower so that the shower cubicle runs the entire width and you loo has full headroom above for a shelf or cabinet? You could have a single glass screen with a gap at what is currently the loo end.
That sounds like it could be problematic depending on the location of the main waste soil stack. (ETA: I meant soil, not waste, like what EG said.)
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How about flippiny your loo and shower so that the shower cubicle runs the entire width and you loo has full headroom above for a shelf or cabinet? You could have a single glass screen with a gap at what is currently the loo end.
Depends on the soil pipe and the joists.
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Just asking. Would allow for better use of the space imo.
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Do you mean putting the loo where the basin currently is, next to the door?
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I freely admit I ain't read the thread.
But...............from 8 years worth of commercial experience can I say this..........................
Do not go the tile route it is a road to recurring grouting hell........... Seriously.
We did an en-suite in wet room panels and pretty much that was it... heaven.. no work. Bliss 8 years of no probs... oh deep joy!!!!!
PH
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I'm not.
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I mean put the loo between the shower and the basin. Have the shower across the end wall.
Like others have intimated, this is only really feasible if the joists run out to the far wall (in the pics) and conn3c5ivity with the soil pipe can be maintained. Is the soil pipe outside or inside?
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Soil pipe is outside (it's also cast iron if that has any bearing) and I think it's right behind the bog. Guess it would mean creating a BFO hole in the solid (end) wall on the RHS of the room if the bog was going over there.
Sounds like a nightmare to do, though I guess I effectively had the same thing done to fit the extractor for the cooker hood.
I think this is all getting a bit too involved. It's not like I spend hours in there. Yes I am a wuss.
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I would imagine the stack is directly behind the loo, so you're probably better off leaving the loo where it is.
Do the floorboards run parallel to the wall with the window in it ?
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My thoughts were that any drainage and outside pipework can be done before the renovation in preparation. A hole through the wall is not nearly as drastic as it might seem, and, you'd have more storage space.
I was thinking that you could possibly replace that basin and the loo with one of those cabinets with the cistern hidden and cupboards etc. above and below the basin and even above the loo. The loo would protrude proud of the cupboard but I think that you've enough space to accommodate this and not hinder access to the shower as the loo / cupboard combo should not protrude more than 90 or so cms and you'd have 50+ cms access space for the shower entry.
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On the fan front, I'm reading this with interest. Looks nice and easy to clean
http://www.envirovent.com/home-ventilation/products/condensation-and-mould-solutions/cyclone-7/
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OK so the floorboards run parallel with the window (so presumably the joist run perpendicular and therefore toilet could be shifted, in theory?)
Crap photo in semi darkness (but you get the idea) of the outside poop chute:
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Obv the one on the right is the soil pipe and the 2 skinny pipes to the left are the shower and the basin above that.
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I am willing to bet that they all go into the same drain as do ours. We modernised our pipework to an all in one as a result.
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OK so the floorboards run parallel with the window (so presumably the joist run perpendicular and therefore toilet could be shifted, in theory?)
Yes, it's always good to know the lie of the land before plans are made.
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How many pages??/?
Without checking, I'll just add my $0.02
Baths - Bette steel
Shower enclosure - Showerlux
You will not regret the choice of either.
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How's this for storage, Mrs P?
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That is a *lot* of storage. I could get half the contents of our loft in there!
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OK so the floorboards run parallel with the window (so presumably the joist run perpendicular and therefore toilet could be shifted, in theory?)
Yes, it's always good to know the lie of the land before plans are made.
I suspect in reality I'm not going to be moving anything. I don't think I can bear the pain. Also, it's our only bathroom, showering isn't an issue being as we both do it at work but we don't have anywhere else to poo!
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When I did the bathroom in our old place in Somerset, I drew the room to scale and cut out scale size pieces which represented the loo, basin and shower/bath.
I could then move them about until I found the best way to use the space. We ended up with an Ikea long mirror cabinet and I think it was Twyfords Space saving range loo, basin and bath ( as we had a 2 year old and another on the way). Whilst I did the bathroom, which took a while, I had the bath in the shed and a downstairs rudimentary outhouse with the loo in it.
It was fun with the bath in the shed and it looked great at night with the camping gas lamp going and all the steam pouring out of the windows.
I had to bath with the youngest to save on electricity. Once she did a poo in the water without saying and I grabbed it, thinking it was the soap, and washed my hair with it.
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Our extractor fan was reasonably quiet at first (at least, I don't remember the noise being a problem) but it has got increasingly noisy over the years, presumably as the bearings have worn out.
Experience of computer fans suggests that crud accumulation on the blades/grille is a significant source of noise. Not that I'd relish cleaning one.
Our fan has a "squirrel cage" to push the air along. When it gets noisy, the ceiling trim comes off (spring-loaded), the circlip comes off the end of the shaft, squirrel cage come out and is washes, brushed and dried to get the lint and dust accumulation off, then reassembled. After about four of these cleanings (takes several years), the motor dies, and is replaced by one ordered on-line in a day or so. There is a bit of slop in the bearings by that point, but frankly the motors are so cheap (and of only that one quality level) that the replacement is a trivial event. I've now got a "cleaned up and does run" older motor in reserve, so we have something to spin the fan while waiting for the replacement to arrive.
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Back of a fag packet measurements here
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Your place seems palatial, Mrs Pingu, compared to my 119cm x 236cm floor plan.
This was completed about a month before Christmas, and is a lot straighter and less squiggly than the phone stitching together a panoramic shot suggests.
All mirrors, no smoke.
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ETA - How is it possible for such a small room to eat up so much money?
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Ooh yes, that *is* snug!
Any lessons learned, Jurek?
Meanwhile I've been doing radiator research which suggests I should have a 2000 BTU rad when what I appear to have now is only about 900!
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Relief.
A huge amount of relief that there were no horrors to be found when the old bath cladding (T&G natch) was removed.
When the flat upstairs did their bathroom (directly above mine) a couple of years ago, removal of the bath cladding revealed a joist that had rotted through on account of silicone seal failure - they had to cut it back and put in steel.
The wide angle of the shot is exacerbating the *snugness*, but you are right, Sumo-stylee squatting isn't an option in this room.
Also, nothing, and I mean nothing is square - there was a 50mm drop in the level of the ceiling from one end of the room to the other (I've had a false ceiling fitted to level things out) even the window is leaning to port, necessitating some interesting instructions to the glazier who cut the mirrors.
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If I could master the stupidity of posting pictures I'd post the Bear-o-drome bathroom. Ours is positively palacial compared to what's been posted but we did convert the third bedroom into the new bathroom. What we had originally at the far end of the kitchen was the length of a bath tub and the pedestal sink overhung the tub at the taps end.
Looking at the grout lines carefully reveals your crooked bathroom Jurek. Our house is similarly not-quite-square in every single room. I think they call it 'character'!
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I had to bath with the youngest to save on electricity. Once she did a poo in the water without saying and I grabbed it, thinking it was the soap, and washed my hair with it.
Ewww!
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Looking at the grout lines carefully reveals your crooked bathroom Jurek. Our house is similarly not-quite-square in every single room. I think they call it 'character'!
Nah.
The grout lines are wobbly mainly on account of the photo being a series of shots which the phone has stitched together to make a panoramic.
I'll post a straightforward shot when my email provider decides that I am, after all, a client of theirs.
Here y'go....
Clicky (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/381/32121815506_7bd88ea1c1_b.jpg)
More to the point... (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/510/32011824932_e2388c2597_b.jpg)
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Ooh yes, that *is* snug!
Any lessons learned, Jurek?
I learned an important lesson from a similarly snug bathroom: Any radiators must be beyond femur-length of the loo.
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Aaaagh, I'm sick of looking at this already, bathroom shopping is boring and my branes hurt now.
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Sumo-stylee squatting isn't an option in this room.
How do you fit under the shower, or are you quite short?
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Not tall, but not that short.
Luckily, my preference is very much for having a horizontal soak.
ETA - FWIW Mrs. P, I too struggled to find the enthusiasm to make any bathroom decisions. I just wanted it done, and the problem to go away.
Gary (my builder) and his daughter had to pretty much drag me down to the tile merchant to choose some tiles.
The only thing(s) I had as a definite were the infinity mirrors and the Bauhaus light fitting.
Everything else was pretty much Gary's call, with me saying 'Yeah, ok'.
Oh - I did choose the (Bristan) taps - based on what I have in the kitchen - they work with elbows and toes. :thumbsup:
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We've pretty much decided we're not going to move the toilet. (Pingu is never keen on this sort of thing and I'm not bothered enough to go through all that rigmarole).
OK, so I found a planning app and measured up slightly better. Unfortunately it doesn't show all the dimensions but as far as I can make it they are correct. I've just realised I forgot the radiator but who cares?
So here's the current one:
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And this was my thought for a slight change in layout. I'm assuming for the moment that the basin unit and the bog will be the same size, I can always fiddle with them later. What I've done is reduce the length of the shower from 116 to 90cm and move it out from under the sloping ceiling a bit. This then leaves a small area that I thought would be perfect for some built in storage just to fit under the coomb which would also allow better access into the window when I need it.
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I know it's not exactly radical but it only has to work... only downside I can see with my idea is the wasted space between the cupboard and the shower, it now needs to be a 3 sided enclosure so you need to leave a gap there for access to do fun stuff like replace the silicone sealant at a later date.
I don't think I want one of the back to wall toilets with the boxed in cistern as I think they take up extra room.
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Aaaagh, I'm sick of looking at this already, bathroom shopping is boring and my branes hurt now.
You appear to be embracing the challenge.
Sorry - I'm not helping.... :P
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it now needs to be a 3 sided enclosure so you need to leave a gap there for access to do fun stuff like replace the silicone sealant at a later date.
I admire your cynicism.
Thinking about it, you could probably construct the cupboard in such a way that the shower-side wall was removable...
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Our glass screens are held against the wall in a squared U shaped channel which is fixed to the wall with the silicone applied across the face between wall and channel. I don't foresee ever needing to scrape that lot out and replace it.
With the right materials you could have a full wall vanity unit making up one side of the shower cubicle.
For somebody who is not embracing the challenge you're doing a great job. ;) :thumbsup:
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You've still got that
stupid glass table.
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Our glass screens are held against the wall in a squared U shaped channel which is fixed to the wall with the silicone applied across the face between wall and channel. I don't foresee ever needing to scrape that lot out and replace it.
I'm thinking more about the join along the bottom of the side panel where it meets the tray.
With the right materials you could have a full wall vanity unit making up one side of the shower cubicle.
I could, but it would stick out into the window area. Or are you talking about the other side? (Confused)
You've still got that stupid glass table.
Giz a chance!
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it now needs to be a 3 sided enclosure so you need to leave a gap there for access to do fun stuff like replace the silicone sealant at a later date.
I admire your cynicism.
Thinking about it, you could probably construct the cupboard in such a way that the shower-side wall was removable...
If it wasn't built in that would probably do.
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I was thinking on the basin side you could perhaps have a vanity unit end wall if the material was waterproof and well sealed meaning that the shower cubicle could butt up to the basin etc and waste less space.
I saw some examples when we were looking this time two years ago but my google fu is letting me down. I guess that I'm searching for the wrong thing atm. :-\
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It seems to be like the garbage compactor on the Death Star........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U3Oti2L8S4
Do the walls always move about like that ?
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I was thinking on the basin side you could perhaps have a vanity unit end wall if the material was waterproof and well sealed meaning that the shower cubicle could butt up to the basin etc and waste less space.
Hmm, keep talking...is the basin moving to the left in my plan then? Only having wandered in and out the door with a tape measure on the floor I don't know that I want to move the shower enclosure any closer to the door.
All good ideas tho, keep em coming...
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Can you move the wall on the other side of the shower over by 150mm and move the door, which will allow the shower to fit into the corner where the basin is.
The basin can then go in the corner next to the bog and you won't have to squeeze through a tiny gap to get into that corner either.
In our other place we had a P shaped bath with a curved screen around the shower and a towel rail at the end on the wall. If you could fit one of them in to curve around the loo and free the window up for easy access. You can get both left and right hand versions and I reckon it would fit on the wall by the door.
Or get a competent carpenter to make a ply shower tray which will fit in the corner, line it with fibreglass and resin and tile it. You could then have a slim walk in wet room with a tray and a fancy fixed screen.
A custom sized tray, just for your bathroom. It could even be made off site, so it wouldn't stink the house out.
Easy!!
http://www.ifo.dk/produkter/bruselsninger/brusenicher/ifo-space-buet-dr-sbvk-h-uden-handtag/95621/
I bet they do a tray to fit it 600x600 should fit , non?
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Here, they are available......
http://www.design4home.dk/shop/brusekar-olimpo-80x60-3177p.html
If you can move the door a smidge, you can get a fancy stone stuff one. 900x700mm
http://www.uk.roca.com/catalogue/products/shower-trays/rectangular-shower-trays/stonex-shower-trays/terran/superslim-stonex-shower-tray-P1015782BC01..0
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Our glass screens are held against the wall in a squared U shaped channel which is fixed to the wall with the silicone applied across the face between wall and channel. I don't foresee ever needing to scrape that lot out and replace it.
I'm thinking more about the join along the bottom of the side panel where it meets the tray.
Buy a tray with upstands so that the glass panel fits inside the tray (You can get them with 1, 2 3 or 4 upstands). A bead of clear mastic along the outside edge will be all that you need then.
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What's the software you are using, Mrs Pingu? Looks handy for figure out ideas for my own bathroom rejigging.
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Our glass screens are held against the wall in a squared U shaped channel which is fixed to the wall with the silicone applied across the face between wall and channel. I don't foresee ever needing to scrape that lot out and replace it.
I'm thinking more about the join along the bottom of the side panel where it meets the tray.
Buy a tray with upstands so that the glass panel fits inside the tray (You can get them with 1, 2 3 or 4 upstands). A bead of clear mastic along the outside edge will be all that you need then.
Hmm, interesting, shall investigate.
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What's the software you are using, Mrs Pingu? Looks handy for figure out ideas for my own bathroom rejigging.
It's an Android app called Floor plan creator.
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Aunt Maud, I'm not knocking down any walls, thanks. I couldn't do that one anyway as it's one of the walls of the entrance hall. That would require making the doorway to our flat smaller. Would be less stressful just to move house.
I don't want a 600mm shower tray either. It's quite nice to be able to move!
P shaped bath & screen is an interesting idea, but wouldn't I need to build a wall for the tap end to butt up to?
ETA: I suppose, in theory, I could have a 600mm deep tray that's a lot longer. If that would squeeze in the basin corner without major building work.
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What's the software you are using, Mrs Pingu? Looks handy for figure out ideas for my own bathroom rejigging.
It's an Android app called Floor plan creator.
Cheers for that, Mrs P! I'll have a look at that, although I'll probably end up breaking out https://www.blender.org/ (https://www.blender.org/) again for this (I used to dabble with it a few years ago for 3d animation etc), as I'd prefer software that works on my linux pc, as I dont have a big enough android phone / tablet to run that android floor creator app on...
Or even this, Sweet Home 3D http://www.sweethome3d.com/ (http://www.sweethome3d.com/)
Although the plans will just be used for rough layouts, figuring out of ideas, I'll get the bathroom design/ fit company (who done a great job of my mothers bathroom last year) to do the proper plans etc.
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Most of the major bathroom retailers have planners on their websites, I just downloaded that one as they all seemed to be set up for using by PC browsers rather than tablet and I CBA fighting Pingu for the laptop.
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Messing around with SweetHome3D (I've not actually measure my bathroom yet, just messing around with the software)
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Ok, I'll stop suggesting that you move walls, although I think we've exhausted that one anyway now.
A shower 600x900 long would work quite nicely and our P shaped tub didn't have any tap holes. We had a wall mounted thermostatic mixer with a shower head and a curved screen with the thick end in the corner, but if you plant the thin end in the corner by the door, it would possibly work with a straight screen just as well and give room for the door to swing open, but you'd have to do the maths.
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I brandished the tape measure again. There's not quite 600mm between the wall and the architrave so it looks like it's back to the drawing board. ::-)
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Trim the architrave down, it's a doddle with any old plane.
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ETA - How is it possible for such a small room to eat up so much money?
Our bathroom ended up costing more than the kitchen, despite having nothing as exciting as an oven. Moving the pipework, having the floor plied, power shower, etc. etc. We sort of gave up on the budget half way through. The worse thing about a house refurbishment is that I generally didn't care but I had to pretend to be interested in all those catalogues and look excited to be travelling twenty miles to look at some tiles.
Our bath is not as snug as yours, of course (that's a proper London bathroom). Our first house had a bathroom like that (windows! luxury!). It was really handy the time I had food poisoning, as I could sit on the toilet and lean over the bath at the same time, allowing for a double-ended evacuation. Fortunately a convenience I only experienced the once.
It's no joke that when that house was for sale a year or so back (£425k, jesus!), the EA blurb called it 'deceptively spacious'. It was a nice house, but it was small and if it was spacious, we never found that space, so it must have been very deceptive. We had to move the bed to open the wardrobe.
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The plan with the "squarer" shower on the middle of the right-side wall does do a good job of separating water closet from the lavatory.
But opening the door into the bath looks like it will strike the side of whoever is at the lavatory.
Would there be benefits to changing the door swing? Downside is that if you want the door open a bit for airflow / drying, sounds like it would be opening into your entry hall.
If you can mock-up where the corner of the shower, nearest the door, would be (tape together cardboard boxes that you've cut up, to make the corner), you could get a feeling for just how much you could move the shower closer to the door without it feeling too tight.*
You might even be able to end up with:
Storage cabinet in the lower right corner, to your right after entering the room.
Shower on the right-hand wall, closer to the door
[if you leave space between the shower side and the storage cabinet, if you could somehow work out towel bars there, it would preserve the "we're going to have to re-seal this in 5 years" access and have a place for towels somewhat handing for reaching from the shower]
Radiator would be opposite the shower opening, so you would/could/might feel a bit warmer when drying off.
Lavatory straight ahead, with some daylight coming in above it through the window
Water closet on the back wall, adjacent to lavatory, slightly screened from view from the door, with adequate space (50-60 cm) from the front of the bowl to the side of the shower. If things are tight, and you're replacing the WC anyway, perhaps there is a suitable one that is shorter front-to-back.
*I've been an architect since before the year of Mr. Orwell's book (eerily coming to pass now, perhaps), and have learned that with all things residential, when tight spaces are an issue, seeing things as they might actually be helps a lot.
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What's the difference between your water closet and lavatory? I thought they were the same thing.
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Why was I thinking about your bathroom at 3:30 am ?
You might be able to put a narrower door on, which will give you the extra couple of inches to enable you to fit a shower in the corner.
If your architrave is a whopper, a slimmer one will give you extra space too and you'll only need to put a new one on the inside.
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What's the difference between your water closet and lavatory? I thought they were the same thing.
I think that "water closet" was the original name for Mr Crapper's invention. Also called "toilet" here, but WC is the more erudite technical term. "Bog" is not used on this side of the pond, other than in reference to swamps.
"Lavatory" is both a term for a hand-washing sink and a polite euphemism for a room with such a sink and a toilet.
"Bathroom" is used generically here to refer to both "toilet rooms", where no bathing is done (except in the sinks, or with water from sinks), and rooms where the body is bathed. "Washroom" is an east-coast term for toilet room.
There's a nomenclature for counting the fixtures present in a USAnian bathroom, too: half-bath is toilet and sink, 3/4 bath is toilet, sink and shower; full bath is either toilet, sink & bathtub, or toilet, sink, bathtub & showerhead (usually above the bathtub, but sometimes as a separate item).
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Wow you learn something every day. I can cope with faucet, windshield and sidewalk, but I have never in my life heard the word lavatory used for anything other than the thing you flush.
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Why was I thinking about your bathroom at 3:30 am ?
You might be able to put a narrower door on, which will give you the extra couple of inches to enable you to fit a shower in the corner.
If your architrave is a whopper, a slimmer one will give you extra space too and you'll only need to put a new one on the inside.
Hmm that door is already a bigger door frame with various bits of wood inserted into the frame (ETA: only at the top)to make it a smaller frame (and even then it's still not a bloody standard size!). I have toyed with the idea of a bifold door in there but dunno how good they are in bathrooms.
In other news today I measured up the shower tray at work. It's smaller than my current one at home but was OK. Also a very strange size as well!
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I have toyed with the idea of a bifold door in there but dunno how good they are in bathrooms.
Worrabaht..... Two doors, mounted in saloon bar stylee onna swing either way hinge (http://www.gemilangsemangat.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=440)?
My grate frend Clare in Whitstable had this issue in her bathroom:
Inside the room - not enough space for the door to swing without hitting the bath.
Outside the room - not enough space for the door to swing without hitting the hallway walls.
Two narrow doors, with the option of swinging either way (Ooer....) was the solution.
ETA - there's also concertina doors. But IME these are the work of Stan.
ETFA - I've just realised that the link above, to a supplier in Jakarta, may not exactly be your L. Bathroom S. - it was just meant to illustrate an example....
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Yes, I also thought French doors style too.
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The plan with the "squarer" shower on the middle of the right-side wall does do a good job of separating water closet from the lavatory.
Assuming we're talking the wash hand basin and the toilet being separated here, that's the case already.
But opening the door into the bath looks like it will strike the side of whoever is at the lavatory.
Assuming this means opening the room door bashes someone standing at the WHB, same situation as currently again. It's really not been a problem for us in the 11 years we've lived here. It might not be the way you would design it with space no object, but it's not a massive issue for us.
Would there be benefits to changing the door swing? Downside is that if you want the door open a bit for airflow / drying, sounds like it would be opening into your entry hall.
Not really, it's quite a twisty and not very spacious hall already.
If you can mock-up where the corner of the shower, nearest the door, would be (tape together cardboard boxes that you've cut up, to make the corner), you could get a feeling for just how much you could move the shower closer to the door without it feeling too tight.*
You might even be able to end up with:
Storage cabinet in the lower right corner, to your right after entering the room.
Shower on the right-hand wall, closer to the door
[if you leave space between the shower side and the storage cabinet, if you could somehow work out towel bars there, it would preserve the "we're going to have to re-seal this in 5 years" access and have a place for towels somewhat handing for reaching from the shower]
Radiator would be opposite the shower opening, so you would/could/might feel a bit warmer when drying off.
Lavatory straight ahead, with some daylight coming in above it through the window
Water closet on the back wall, adjacent to lavatory, slightly screened from view from the door, with adequate space (50-60 cm) from the front of the bowl to the side of the shower. If things are tight, and you're replacing the WC anyway, perhaps there is a suitable one that is shorter front-to-back.
*I've been an architect since before the year of Mr. Orwell's book (eerily coming to pass now, perhaps), and have learned that with all things residential, when tight spaces are an issue, seeing things as they might actually be helps a lot.
I believe there are standards about not putting toilets under low, sloping ceilings? I think there's only room for the toilet in that corner if I do something drastic with the door to the room so I can move the shower significantly. (I would quite like not having the toilet on full view when I air the room though)
I'll also give having the WHB next to the toilet a miss. I like having my toothbrush a decent distance away from flush aerosol. :thumbsup:
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How wide's the door you have ? You can get a 610 mm wide door and liner off the shelf in Travis.
https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/Knotty-Pine-6-Panel-1981mm-x-610mm-x-35mm/p/327231
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705mm.
Although I've just wandered in and out of the door with the tape measure placed judiciously on the floor and I don't think I need to do anything with the door.
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Wow you learn something every day. I can cope with faucet, windshield and sidewalk, but I have never in my life heard the word lavatory used for anything other than the thing you flush.
That seems to be a British definition. On-line OED suggests
Late Middle English: from late Latin lavatorium place for washing, from Latin lavare to wash. The word originally denoted something in which to wash, such as a bath or piscina, later (mid 17th century) a room with washing facilities; the current sense dates from the 19th century. [Perhaps a Victorian carry-over, eh what?]
Also as in the "laver" of the Old Testament Tabernacle.
[ And to me, "bog" is a swampy area ... ]
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You could save the space taken by the shower and toilet by replacing both with one of these with a curtain around it and shower head over.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/CRH1_toilet.jpg)
;D :demon:
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:sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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Because the only way to 'improve' on a traditional French toilet is to add extra nozzles and a pot-luck space-age control panel, labelled only in Japanese.
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You could save the space taken by the shower and toilet by replacing both with one of these with a curtain around it and shower head over.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/CRH1_toilet.jpg)
;D :demon:
And call it The Comfort Station.
There is actually a comfort station in Joshua Tree National Park.
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This could be a solution to the sloping ceiling, though it wastes some space. An interesting idea though.
https://www.roman-showers.com/showers/space-saving/embrace-trapezium-shower-enclosure/
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I'm struggling to empathise here.
Our bathroom is 13' sq :smug: ;)
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We've pretty much decided we're not going to move the toilet. (Pingu is never keen on this sort of thing and I'm not bothered enough to go through all that rigmarole).
OK, so I found a planning app and measured up slightly better. Unfortunately it doesn't show all the dimensions but as far as I can make it they are correct. I've just realised I forgot the radiator but who cares?
So here's the current one:
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/1/319/31324956714_77899fdec3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PJ5AhA)Current bathroom (https://flic.kr/p/PJ5AhA) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Keep the loo where it is. Move the sink to the opposite wall, and rehang the door to open either outwards or to the other side. Move the shower area up to where the sink is now, with the shower head on the same wall as the door, facing along the length of the room. As long as your floor or tray is graded correctly, you won't have water getting out from under the bathroom door, and you can make it more secure with a curtain or a screen.
My bathroom is 10'6" by 3'1".
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So it would appear that most people have their shower in a corner, and 900mm is not a popular size for the longest edge of a rectangular tray.
Jeez, what a tremendously boring ball ache this is. All my New! Shiny! ideas are rapidly disappearing into a puff of Real Life.
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900mm is not a popular size for the longest edge of a rectangular tray.
Might not be popular, but there's a reasonable choice here (https://www.heatandplumb.com/acatalog/Rectangular_Shower_Trays.html) if you are happy with 900x800 (25) or 900x760 (40). Only one if you want it as narrow as 600mm, admittedly.
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Thanks jsabine
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Well, it's been a while. I was all prepared to start bathroom hunting when I went skiing, but when I got back to work in January it went mental and has been like that ever since so I've not really had the bandwidth to think about it. However, my neighbour has been getting a new bathroom fitted this week which has spurred me on.
Having spent the afternoon on the internet I think I'm leaning towards:
Matki New Illusion shower enclosure. Quintesse shape?
Duravit Starke 3 toilet
Aqualisa Dream(?) Dual divert valve shower
Hansgrohe Axor Citterio M Single Lever Basin Mixer
Or Hansgrohe Metris Classic Single Lever Basin Mixer
Duravit washbasin either:
D code furniture w/basin 650mm 175mm deep
Or Happy D or Starke 3
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Before you start, have you considered underfloor heating, extractor fan arrangements etc.? If you have a cold-ish house, underfloor heating in the bathroom is most agreeable and as the floor area is usually small the running costs don’t seem too high. No idea about fitting costs, as I rent.
“Duravit Stark 3” :)
They don’t name toilets like they used to. If there was such a thing as a McPherson Long Drop Force 10 I’d find it more appealing. But hey it’s a nice looking bog.
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Nice shower. We went for something more basic, a Triton Eleda (http://www.screwfix.com/p/triton-eleda-exposed-thermostatic-bar-mixer-shower-chrome/9646f).
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I would recommend the underfloor heating without any hesitation. We have it in the kitchen and our bathroom. It is the single most luxurious thing in my life. I went from being a shoe wearer around the house to being a bare foot person. It is one of our biggest regrets that we did not get underfloor heating throughout the house.
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There's an extractor already. It might get replaced if ICBA. Currently no underfloor heating. Not convinced that I need it but the room is on the 1st floor and is currently carpeted :sick: though will be getting replaced with cushioned flooring.
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There's only one thing worse than carpet in a bathroom...
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There's only one thing worse than carpet in a bathroom...
Go on...
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There's only one thing worse than carpet in a bathroom...
Go on...
Carpet in a kitchen.
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I actually like cold tile floors in bare feet, but I accept that might be an odd nostalgia having grown up with Lino on the bedroom floor in a house which had ice on the *inside* of the windows in winter,but I'd consider underfloor heating in a bathroom to keep it dry and mould free.
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house which had ice on the *inside* of the windows in winter
That was just Jack Frost visiting at our house. We used to leave the clothes for the next dat beside the bed and pull them into bed in the morning to defrost them before we got up.
Spent the first few years of my life learning that once in bed you do not move until the morning unless you want to move to a cold bit of the bed.
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There's no danger I'd be putting tiles on the floor!
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There's only one thing worse than carpet in a bathroom...
Go on...
Carpet in a kitchen.
No, I think the bathroom is more disgusting.
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I suppose that depends on levels of clumsiness, damp and whether anyone's habitually weeing on the floor. (As you can imagine, we have quite a lot of the former, and not very much of the latter.) The carpeted bathroom we had in the Sheffield house wasn't too bad.
OTOH, never share a carpeted kitchen with students. :hand:
Now I think about it, don't share a bathroom with them either, regardless of floor covering. Actually, just don't live with students.
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My bathroom is also getting done next month. Im ripping the bath out, taking th room back to the bare shell and starting from scratch. (Not me personally, getting a bathroom company to do the job)
Im getting a rather nice 800x1000mm quadrant shower enclosure put in, a nice sink and a "comfort height" loo!
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I would recommend the underfloor heating without any hesitation. We have it in the kitchen and our bathroom. It is the single most luxurious thing in my life. I went from being a shoe wearer around the house to being a bare foot person. It is one of our biggest regrets that we did not get underfloor heating throughout the house.
It's hell on the furniture: the wood shrinks on the underside and bows upwards. We had it in one flat we moved into south of Paris and it buggered a solid mahogany table Mrs T's parents had brought back from Uganda.
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So it's not been done but hopefully this will be the year. ::-)
Of course I've changed my mind about half the stuff now and a trawl through mumsnet (don't ask, I'm not a mum) has led me to ditch the tremendously expensive Duravit sink and vanity combo in favour of something a bit cheaper and with better reviews (possibly Ikea).
Question being is, what makes a good sink? Currently we have one of those round 'vessel' counter top sinks and we both hate it (from a practical point of view). I thought that identifying the reasons why would lead us nicely on to what we should be looking for. Problem is when we try to pinpoint what it is we hate about it, it's quite difficult to put your finger on....
For me it needs the tap to poke far out enough into the bowl for you to be able to wash your hands without smacking your knuckles off the basin or the tap, and the bowl should be deep enough that you don't throw water everywhere else while you wash hands.
So tell me about your sinks. I've been looking at these 2 from the Swedish Happy Halls of Joy.TM Charlotte
Does anyone have them? Pingu looked at them and thought I might hate them for the same reason I hate our vessel sink, but I think that's just because they have curves.....
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/washstands-taps/wash-basins/br%C3%A5viken-single-wash-basin-white-art-30195548/
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/washstands-taps/wash-basins/odensvik-single-wash-basin-art-50195552/
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There's only one thing worse than carpet in a bathroom...
Go on...
Carpet in a kitchen.
No, I think the bathroom is more disgusting.
Ours is carpeted, and it’s fine, I don’t see the problem myself. Use bath mats for wet feet. OTOH any covering with a Lino-like surface, or smooth tiles, get very slippery when damp.
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We have a square and narrow sink. Which looks cool.
But it also means that when you wash your face, you also wash your feet.
So, yes, make sure the bloody basin sticks out enough.
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Do not go the way the lads who remodelled the Spa at Larrington Towers did and place the basin in such a way as to put the pipe for the hot tap in such close proximity to the end of the radiator that it is impossible to reach the bleed valve.
Bleeding that rad requires brute force and a 22mm socket >:(
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Don't buy a stupid sink that enables you to brain yourself on the tap when de-foaming after an oral hygiene event.
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Don't buy a stupid sink that enables you to brain yourself on the tap when de-foaming after an oral hygiene event.
Ah now, heading off topic (again) we had some nice ladies visit us from the dental department who said you should spit, but not rinse, thereby reducing the likelihood of braining. :smug:
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Don't buy a stupid sink that enables you to brain yourself on the tap when de-foaming after an oral hygiene event.
Ah now, heading off topic (again) we had some nice ladies visit us from the dental department who said you should spit, but not rinse, thereby reducing the likelihood of braining. :smug:
Wouldn't that leave things a bit foamy and minty-urgh?
(Do dentists actually follow all their ridiculous dental advice, or do they just get mates' rates when their teeth fall apart?)
As for choosing sinks, I'd probably start with the taps. Because tap ergonomics is a major issue in this house. Then it's mostly about avoiding teh stupid, vis not being able to get hands or drinking vessels under said taps, anything that likes to cultivate a little puddle of toothpastey water, or of a curvature optimised for delivery of splash to feet and/or crotch. And avocado, natch.
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or of a curvature optimised for delivery of splash to feet and/or crotch. And avocado, natch.
Ah, but how does one know what that curvature is?
Also, I find the spitting works fine if you just use the advised pea sized blob of paste.
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or of a curvature optimised for delivery of splash to feet and/or crotch. And avocado, natch.
Ah, but how does one know what that curvature is?
That's a very good point. Process of elimination or careful mathematical modelling I suppose. Bathrooms are hard!
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Many modern sinks I find are too shallow. Ours is rectangular and quite deep in the centre though it rises up in a curved slope each side of the drain.
I chose a wide and deep version so that I can get my hands easily under the tap without damaging digits, paws, forearms etc, and not leaving the bathroom looking like I didn't make it to the loo!
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Not this:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5752/21230304195_9e7ddf0a98_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ym3RMv)
Poncy sink (https://flic.kr/p/ym3RMv) by Mr Larrington (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/), on Flickr
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Similar but no. Ours sits atop of a cabinet and has an overflow in the back wall of the sink.
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Towel rails, yea or nay?
Mumsnet seems to suggest they are crap cos you get warm towels but a freezing bathroom.
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Towel rails, yea or nay?
Mumsnet seems to suggest they are crap cos you get warm towels but a freezing bathroom.
Radiator thing with electrickery in the middle to dry the towels out in summer?
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They don't do much if they're swamped with towels, though they are useful for drying those towels.
Ours was broken for months (blocked pipe apparently). I can't say it affected the temperature of the bathroom much. Soggy towels though. It's one of those radiators with multiple bits for hanging towels, not just a singular rail. Technical terms r us.
If I did the bathroom again, I'd contemplate underfloor heating, but to be honest as we can (and most) leave the bathroom door open it's typically at the ambient temperature of the rest of the house, and upstairs is usually quite toasty. Plus there's three radiators directly below the bathroom (one in the hallway, one at the bottom of the stairs, and one in the downstairs loo), so I think we get underfloor heating by proxy.
Of course, if I lived in a cold house, it might be different.
(I'd always assumed Mumsnet was some kind of niche porn site. I'm somewhat disappointed that it's towel rails.)
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Suppose i could just have a new radiator. The towrl rail is situated over it but at least there's convention from the fins.
Have spent the night trying to decide if a bit of shiny mosaic tiling round the sink area would look naff next to wall panel in the shower. It's a minefield, wish there was a magic bathroom fairy cos this is doing my head in. The kitchen was way more fun.
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If I did the bathroom again, I'd contemplate underfloor heating, but to be honest as we can (and most) leave the bathroom door open it's typically at the ambient temperature of the rest of the house
From experimentation, this has conclusively proven to be the best way to keep our bathroom at a sane humidity.
(I'd always assumed Mumsnet was some kind of niche porn site. I'm somewhat disappointed that it's towel rails.)
How have you missed @mumsnet_madness (https://twitter.com/mumsnet_madness)?
Towel rails are just the tip of the iceberg. Mumsnet is also a rich vein of:- Am I being unreasonable? (Spoiler: Yes you are.)
- The many and varied ways in which toxic masculinity causes cishet men not to know how to poo properly.
- Penis beakers.
- Middle class entitlement.
- Middle class obliviousness.
- Befuddling parent utterances.
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I feel your pain. I spent too many Saturdays being dragged around bathroom showrooms and 'tiling boutiques' and being expected to look interested. After my request for a Japanese robo-toilet had been summarily rejected, which really put me out of sorts. At least I could protest colour blindness when it came to choosing colours. I may have over-emphasised that disability. Really that's dark purple, are you sure?
Probably best to have somewhere to dry towels though, there's nothing worse the a damp towel, plus they start to smell like a soggy dog. And if you have a dog, it's grounds for awkward morning confusion.
I'm not sure any of the refurb of the Asbestos Palace was fun. Though we do occasionally dig up the pictures of what it looked like when we bought it for a laugh. The before and after are more than a bit oh my. I can't think why it took 18 months to sell.
Blimey mumsnet is a lot worse that I anticipated as a niche porn site. Poo crumbs? I had to stop reading after that.
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Towel rails seem to be an unnecessary evil to me.
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I'm frankly more worried about poo crumbs. I didn't even know such a thing existed. I think my life was enriched by that ignorance.
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I will say that I only use google to search MN for specific things. I'm not actually browsing that weirdness...
I think given that towel rails seems to be a 50:50 split I might just go for a taller standard radiator with a rail in front of it.
Plumber (who passed the "I'll phone you back" test, zOMG) coming for a look Tuesday.
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Reading a translation of german engineers toilet testing. The fun never stops here.
http://plumbingconnection.com.au/rimless-toilet-testing/
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I think I have seen the answer to the radiator vs towel rail problem.
People make vertical radiators that you can buy towel rails to attach on to, like so:
http://www.bestheating.com/milano-chrome-towel-rail-for-aruba-and-alpha-vertical-designer-radiator-470mm.html
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I think I have seen the answer to the radiator vs towel rail problem.
People make vertical radiators that you can buy towel rails to attach on to, like so:
http://www.bestheating.com/milano-chrome-towel-rail-for-aruba-and-alpha-vertical-designer-radiator-470mm.html
That looks good. :thumbsup:
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It does, dunnit :)
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Or a simple towel rail above a normal radiator?
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Or a simple towel rail above a normal radiator?
That works too.
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I've found a problem with my choice of rainfall/drench shower. The head is located 1.2m above the mixer valve. The enclosure height is 1950mm. So if I have that shower I'd have to bend over to turn it on. Seems pretty stupid to me....
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Holy crap, modern tiles are booooring!
Apart from these, obv, and they don't seem tremendously practical. https://www.marrakechdesign.se/en/product-category/contemporary-tiles/dandelion/
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I'm not sure that boring is a bad thing when it comes to tiles.
You can always liven things up by installing tiles with an abstract but not quite rotationally symmetrical pattern in a way that encodes a SEEKRIT message for the benefit of future IBS sufferers who a) have already read the label on the bleach 3 times and b) enjoy puzzles. Like the ones in the CrinklyDen don't[1].
[1] Or at least, if they do I haven't decoded it yet.
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14 months (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=101135.msg2118967#msg2118967) on and you've still not cracked the code? ;D
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14 months (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=101135.msg2118967#msg2118967) on and you've still not cracked the code? ;D
My postcholecystectomy syndrome isn't what it used to be... ;D
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I'm not sure that boring is a bad thing when it comes to tiles.
Even the sea of beige?
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I'm not sure that boring is a bad thing when it comes to tiles.
Even the sea of beige?
GPWM! Beige is always a bad thing.
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Looked it up;
Meaning. GPWM. Guidelines for Participatory Water Management (Ministry of Water Resources; Bangladesh) GPWM. Good Point Well Made.
GPWM - Definition by AcronymFinder
Laughed!
My mate's bathroom fitter has just been. I reined in all his great ideas (that I've already discounted through this thread haha). He phoned back when he said he would and he was early. Think he might be a keeper....
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Holy crap, modern tiles are booooring!
Apart from these, obv, and they don't seem tremendously practical. https://www.marrakechdesign.se/en/product-category/contemporary-tiles/dandelion/
There are some quite nice tiles on that site. But at €150 m-2 + international shipping I'd want to see them first!
Fired Earth had some interesting tiles at a very reasonable £24.95. Until I realised that was £24.95 *per* *tile* which comes out at £675 m-2. :o
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Oh, now we're talking! Fired Earth....
Probably need to just hand over all my credit cards though. Still, it's not a big area to tile.
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So the ones I like are a mere 400 squids/m2. Yes, it is known I have expensive tastes.
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Printed acrylic sheet? https://www.splashacrylic.com/product-category/bathrooms/printed-acrylic-shower-panels/?product_tag=dolphins
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Printed acrylic sheet? https://www.splashacrylic.com/product-category/bathrooms/printed-acrylic-shower-panels/?product_tag=dolphins
Needs an Antarctic theme...
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Printed acrylic sheet? https://www.splashacrylic.com/product-category/bathrooms/printed-acrylic-shower-panels/?product_tag=dolphins
Needs an Antarctic theme...
They'll print your own design
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Strangely, when I offered up the printed acrylic (and glass) with my designs, much like the technotoilet, my idea was again summarily dismissed.
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Come on then, what was your design?
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I hadn't decided. She just fears the things that happen in my head escaping for some reason.
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The best tiles I've seen so far are lovely geometric Fired Earth ones. The problem being that they are mosaic. I have a bad feeling about keeping all that grout clean (they're only going round the sink and lav area, but still).
Been on another fruitless quest to 2 more tile shops. So much dullness it almost makes you wish you were dead.
I can see me ending up with the ubiquitous metro tiles at this rate. They might be on the way to naffness but at least they're inoffensive.
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I know what you mean about the tile shops, everything is so dreary. These people seem to have a few interesting tiles: https://www.porcelainsuperstore.co.uk
Modern grouts (epoxy-based/water-repelling) seem to work quite well and don't need regular scrubbing as long as you can keep humidity low enough to avoid the dreaded black mould. We had mosaic tiles in a previous place and they were fine.
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Thought I'd found some ok tiles. Look up the prices and they only come in 25x50cm. That's possibly going to look fairly ridiculous in our tiny bathroom :facepalm:
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Well, about 18 months later than I hoped, but fingers crossed when I get back from holiday I'll have most of a sparkly new bathroom (apart from vinyl floor & painting).
Before (including the plaster that fell off the wall with the wallpaper):
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Well, about 18 months later than I hoped, but fingers crossed when I get back from holiday I'll have most of a sparkly new bathroom (apart from vinyl floor & painting).
Before (including the plaster that fell off the wall with the wallpaper):
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Oh, that looks pretty cool! 8) :thumbsup:
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That's the 'old' bathroom, BTW.
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Don't mind Jurek, he lives in That London... ;)
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Doh! ::-) :facepalm:
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Don't mind Jurek, he lives in That London... ;)
It's also a very wide angle lens :)
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In London that would be the entire flat.
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Doh! ::-) :facepalm:
;D
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Buy tiles and buy a job for life. Not for us ta.
We installed a wet room in the guest house and 8 years later after near constant use the panels looked immaculate. When the bathrooms in the cottage here need doing up the tiles are coming out and the panels are going in. Keep it simple.
PH
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Bit empty
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You've got lovely lath, Mrs P.
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We're very pleased with the new bathroom and downstairs loo which were finished in May. We even have a self filling bath ::-) O:-) I was blissfully unaware such a thing was possible (now I know why my life seemed so empty ;D ). It was a no cost upgrade as the self filling gubbins was the same cost as a set of bath taps.
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"Self filling"? Does that just mean that Mrs OD runs the bath for you?
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"Self filling"? Does that just mean that Mrs OD runs the bath for you?
Gracious me no! One presses a button and water flows for a predetermined period of time thus filling the bath! You can also set the temperature. Clever stuffs!
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Truly, welcome to the future....
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His'n'Hers pole dancing in the shower?
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And this morning, having just started climbing the first sweaty hill of the day I get a phone call.
Hello, it's the John Lewis fitter here, I'm standing outside your door waiting to fit your flooring
That's nice for you, however I'm in France and there isn't a bathroom for you to fit it into currently...
That was the 29th of *September* I booked you silly billies.
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I'll post another when I've finished decorating and the vinyl flooring is laid
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You can't leave that bog roll flapping in the wind like that.
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But do you not worry in hotels about the toilet roll when it is stuffed into the roll or folded about who has been handling it and where their hands were just beforehand?
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I always unroll the first linear foot and discard it.
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I tend to assume toilet roll (and toilet roll dispensers, flush buttons, sanitary bins, cubicle locks, etc) has been handled by someone with their hands covered in shit, tbh. Can't really go wrong from there.
ETA: Crosspost with Jurek.
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I've been present on too many occasions in one of the traps at work, when someone has availed themselves of the facilities, and left without washing their hands.
Any loo roll left on the roll after I've finished with it, is used for manual contact with any of the items Kim has listed above.
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But do you not worry in hotels about the toilet roll when it is stuffed into the roll or folded about who has been handling it and where their hands were just beforehand?
Errr, no, not really. After spending 9 months travelling from Gulmarg to Gangtok via Kala Patthar and wiping my arse with my left hand and eating with my right, I don't worry about such stuff.
I was thinking more about aesthetics and all that.
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I always discard the first few sheets, it's a well known fact that both VD and babies come from unsanitary lavatorial experiences.
I honestly don't understand how people can use the toilet – especially when they've opened the bomb bay doors and dropped the big one – and just walk out, their hands unsullied by even a basic splash of water. I mean, is it that much effort? Evidently.
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But there's no paper dangling. I'm not folding it in a corner and turning it round to face the wall is just wrong, as any right thinking person knows ;)
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I honestly don't understand how people can use the toilet – especially when they've opened the bomb bay doors and dropped the big one – and just walk out, their hands unsullied by even a basic splash of water. I mean, is it that much effort? Evidently.
I don't know about you, but I normally manage not to crap on my hands.
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Normally? You make it sound like you have special days.
I try not to, but there's proximity involved, not the mention the old finger slipped, toilet paper ripped, and now my finger's covered in rhyme beloved of every school boy. Plus I'm sure some of the people I see scuttling out of the toilet probably do crap on their hands. It's like what happens in every single Wetherspoons' bog, the chap who evidently must stand on the seat to drop a monster airburst crap that goes everywhere. The cubical that you walk into and then back out of, wishing you had access to a full ABC decontamination suite. I expect it's a bit much to ask that he wash his hands before returning to the kitchen.
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I always discard the first few sheets, it's a well known fact that both VD and babies come from unsanitary lavatorial experiences.
I honestly don't understand how people can use the toilet – especially when they've opened the bomb bay doors and dropped the big one – and just walk out, their hands unsullied by even a basic splash of water. I mean, is it that much effort? Evidently.
One word. Shattaf.
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I always discard the first few sheets,
How do you do that without touching them?
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OK folks, we've done all the disgusting already here:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94948.0
Twice, in fact
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=64148.0
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I always discard the first few sheets,
How do you do that without touching them?
His house slave does it for him.
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OK folks, we've done all the disgusting already here:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94948.0
Twice, in fact
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=64148.0
These are important matters of state. Plus, we're boys. Mostly. And my wife wouldn't let me have the Japanese robo-toilet which, to this day, disappoints and concerns me.
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OK folks, we've done all the disgusting already here:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94948.0
Twice, in fact
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=64148.0
These are important matters of state. Plus, we're boys. Mostly. And my wife wouldn't let me have the Japanese robo-toilet which, to this day, disappoints and concerns me.
You mean you don't have more than one lavatory in that baronial palace of yours?
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We do have two water closets though neither receptacle is robotic as my wife doesn't trust them despite the fact I have assured her that toilets probably aren't going to be SkyNet's first target come Judgement Day.
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Mostly this weekend, I have been painting.
It's all now beautiful brilliant white. I'm hoping the decorating is now finished just awaiting the flooring.
But... I have a funny feeling that when I offer up the new radiator to the room (it's a bit unwieldy to be doing so myself) that I'm going to find out that it is not brilliant white, but rather some shade of not-quite-white.
If I have to paint the radiator as well I shall be this: disgruntled.
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Paint can apparently reduce thermal conductivity, so i have been told and reduce effciency.
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Oh frabjous day! It's white! Just gotta wait 2 weeks for the vinyl to be fitted and it'll be all finished, w00t.
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The floor is in. The plumber is coming back to connect up the radiator (yes we could do this ourselves), install my tremendously expensive but very good magnifying mirror (cos I am a very myopic git) and presumably take some 'after' photies for his social meeja feed. But it's pretty much finished and I'm dead chuffed with it.
Last week I found a foot high stack of bathroom brochures in the cupboard. Damn, it felt good chucking them in the recycling bin!
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...Damn, it felt good chucking them in the recycling bin!...
Err, I did that ???
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The floor is in. The plumber is coming back to connect up the radiator (yes we could do this ourselves), install my tremendously expensive but very good magnifying mirror (cos I am a very myopic git) and presumably take some 'after' photies for his social meeja feed. But it's pretty much finished and I'm dead chuffed with it.
Last week I found a foot high stack of bathroom brochures in the cupboard. Damn, it felt good chucking them in the recycling bin!
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Sweet.
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...Damn, it felt good chucking them in the recycling bin!...
Err, I did that ???
OK, it felt good putting them next to the bag that goes in the recycling bin ::-)
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Indeed, no need to do the heavy work when you have a house boy.
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Indeed, no need to do the heavy work when you have a house boy.
I know my place.
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Ha. Recycling takes about 20 seconds. Meanwhile I did all the painting....
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In 20 seconds? That's quick!