Easter Arrow 2019

[Phil W]

Ah so that's Deano_44 we did have a chat but he was struggling to remember where he had been at the time. He did not have any leg warmers so another member of your team gas leant him some. Zero degrees no wonder I was cold with what I had with me

To be fair I don’t normally know where I am on most Audaxes until I get to the control! 

Managed ok without leg warmers though 

True, especially in a team event. As a team captain you're hyper aware of where you are from all the route planning and fettling.

[iroiromono]

Any idea when we might expect results for the Easter Arrows?

[Phil W]

I emailed Martin on this last week, he reckoned in the next couple of weeks, so probably by end of this month.

[Kangaroocourt]

Still no results.  Is that usual?

[Ian H]

I believe Martin is busy with work at the mo.  Doubtless they'll appear eventually.

[Revellinho]

Still no results.  Is that usual?

Used to be after the summer in days gone by

[JonB]

Results are up 

[JohnL]

Summer results up to...

[Revellinho]

Results are up 

Any mileages to be found?

[Ajax Bay]

Since the Easter Arrow is recognised by ACP "Easter Arrow of 360k needed to claim your free ACP medal", is there not an ACP homologation for it? Just asking (though expect to need a number as part of a ACP 10k submission (two events pending completion including the French ride).

[Wycombewheeler]

Since the Easter Arrow is recognised by ACP "Easter Arrow of 360k needed to claim your free ACP medal", is there not an ACP homologation for it? Just asking (though expect to need a number as part of a ACP 10k submission (two events pending completion including the French ride).

Previous years have them, I imagine it's in the process. I need mine for ACP 5000 this year.

[Ian H]

Since the Easter Arrow is recognised by ACP "Easter Arrow of 360k needed to claim your free ACP medal", is there not an ACP homologation for it? Just asking (though expect to need a number as part of a ACP 10k submission (two events pending completion including the French ride).

Previous years have them, I imagine it's in the process. I need mine for ACP 5000 this year.

I suspect that, this year, just at the moment, it's all hands on deck for Paris-Brest-Paris at ACP. 

http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/354%20-%20Results%20Fl%C3%A9che%20V%C3%A9locio.html

[Ajax Bay]

Since the Easter Arrow is recognised by ACP "Easter Arrow of 360k needed to claim your free ACP medal", is there not an ACP homologation for it? Just asking (though expect to need a number as part of a ACP 10k submission (two events pending completion including the French ride).

3 months on from posing this in July, is the AUK Easter Arrow subject to homologation by ACP?
Rules for AUK Arrows "The Easter Arrow is validated by Audax Club Parisien as the UK equivalent of the Flèche Velocio. It may be substituted for the Flèche when claiming Randonneur 5000 and 10000 awards from ACP."
I hope whichever team is noted as having ridden furthest (info presumably shared at the Reunion) will post their route on this thread.

[Ian H]

The bare bones are here:  http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/434%20-%20Results%20Fl%C3%A8ches%20Pascales%20Nationales.html

[FifeingEejit]

As I have amassed the results once the Arrow and PBP have been taken into account for the ACP R5000 award I had asked our ACP representative for the form and was holding off in the hope the arrow results would come in time.

However I received an e-mail the other day from him advising me to submit the form with my PBP frame number as the hold up is at the ACP side with Arrow validation.
Apparently there is a single person responsible for processing all the arrow results on the ACP side, for the whole world of Arrows.

[frankly frankie]

One problem is that Arrows/Fleches are an oddball event format (in randonneuring terms) and cannot be dealt with systematically.  Neither by ACP nor by AUK. For example every 'normal' ride has a finishing time and so the system has a Time field to store this - replacing a Time with a Distance does not compute.  Then there are the extra arcane rules surrounding group riding and finishing**.  In short whereas most results processing is little more than a button-push or an upload of an excel file, Arrows require the attentions of an individual who both understands what they are about and cares about them.  Such people are in short supply.

** I write as one who completed a 100% wet Arrow only to arrive at York and have my brevet card ceremonially torn up before my eyes by the finish controller (who fortunately was a friend of mine).  Because 4 of us set off but only 2 of us finished.

[FifeingEejit]

One problem is that Arrows/Fleches are an oddball event format (in randonneuring terms) and cannot be dealt with systematically. 

They probably could, just it would be a system specific to arrows.
It would need to record team composition, have an acceptable threshold of time difference at controls (Queues and taking longer to pick from the menu at mcdonalds) and be able to determine how many riders in each team reached the finish control.
It would also need the 22nd hour rule and location and distance at 24th hour if not the finish control rule as well.
As it needs to work out shortest distances it could link into Google's routing (costs $$$) and do route agreement automatically and spit out Brevet cards from that.

There would be limited advantage to AUK for that as there's only 2 a year.
However ACP has apparently over 700 a year to handle, they would probably gain quite a bit by implementing some sort of systematic assistance.
ACP's lack of rider UIDs would be an issue of course...

If I could be bothered I'd attempt to knock one up as a training exercise for myself.

[Ajax Bay]

I notice that next year's Easter Arrow (10-11 April) is now on the calendar:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-EARO/
with Andy Uttley organising.

[FifeingEejit]

hm, I was considering riding Longtown way round again (in the hope it'd be dry this time)
Newcastle airport is in a Yorkward direction though...

[Ajax Bay]

The bare bones are here:  http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/434%20-%20Results%20Fl%C3%A8ches%20Pascales%20Nationales.html

Parochially: UNITED KINGDOM
Easter Arrow to York – Meeting in York, on April 20, 2019
17 teams, longest distance 492km
Results here (Edited - 2019 now up): https://www.audax.uk/results/annual-awards/arrows-darts-trails

[Ajax Bay]

Tomorrow would have been the 2020 Easter Arrow ride.
So a year on, it would be good if someone could give ACP a nudge to let the Easter Arrow 2019 organiser have the ACP hoomologation numbers so those who successfully completed this last year can be sent their brevets and certificates (and thus have the ACP number - which inter alia might be needed for an ACP 10000 award).
Up to PBP, and for a while afterwards, I can understand that ACP were rightly applying all their efforts to the whole qualification process and the organisation of PBP itself, but it's a fair few months since then, and sad to say, our contemporaries in France are not riding their bikes very far, at present.

[iroiromono]

Tomorrow would have been the 2020 Easter Arrow ride.
So a year on, it would be good if someone could give ACP a nudge to let the Easter Arrow 2019 organiser have the ACP hoomologation numbers so those who successfully completed this last year can be sent their brevets and certificates (and thus have the ACP number - which inter alia might be needed for an ACP 10000 award).
Up to PBP, and for a while afterwards, I can understand that ACP were rightly applying all their efforts to the whole qualification process and the organisation of PBP itself, but it's a fair few months since then, and sad to say, our contemporaries in France are not riding their bikes very far, at present.

While it appears the homologation has happened with ACP numbers against the results, it appears that the cards and certificates are yet to appear.
http://www.aukweb.net/results/archive/2019/listevent/?Ride=19-EARO