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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4425 on: 21 April, 2021, 09:51:46 am »
I was going to nominate defaffle the procrastinator for his unexpected ability to get on board a populist cause about ball games quickly defying an extensive and lengthy track record of delay and confusion with the key covid decisions.

Seems like the sleazy populist can't keep out-of the news ...
yeahbut he’d only got to the ‘making noises’ about it stage, he’s usually very good at that stage, it’s actually doing something stage where he falls down.

Well yes, he likes the sound of his own voice I agree.  He does tend to stay silent about far too many important things though. 

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4428 on: 22 April, 2021, 06:01:22 pm »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise


So Twat - ish they get 2 mentions. https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=53981.msg2616314#msg2616314

Sorry, but the twat was the person that decided that frangible aluminium matting was a suitable surface for helicopters to use. Why the fuck hasn't Addenbrookes got a proper,, all-weather concrete helipad?

ian

Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4429 on: 22 April, 2021, 06:01:44 pm »
That's not much of a helipad, it's just some matting. I've seen more robust yoga set-ups.

Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4430 on: 22 April, 2021, 07:09:43 pm »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise


So Twat - ish they get 2 mentions. https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=53981.msg2616314#msg2616314

Sorry, but the twat was the person that decided that frangible aluminium matting was a suitable surface for helicopters to use. Why the fuck hasn't Addenbrookes got a proper,, all-weather concrete helipad?

Because the regular air traffic at Addenbrookes doesn't generate the sort of downwash and outwash that a V-22 tiltrotor does?

ISTR that downwash is an issue with V-22 operations at rough/semi-prepared landing zones, and according to Wikinaccurate, the V-22 generates maximum downwash speeds of in excess of 80 knots - equivalent to Category 1-2 hurricane-force winds.

The RAND briefing document* used as the source for the downwash figure has a chart (see page 61 of the pdf linked below) showing downwash versus rotor diameter for various existing and proposed rotorcraft. Flexing my Google-fu to see which type the local air ambulance service uses (Airbus/Eurocopter H145), cross-checking its rotor diameter in feet (just over 36 ft) gives a downwash velocity in the region of 28-34 knots.

In other words, a V-22 tiltrotor generates 2.4-3 times the downwash of the usual air traffic at Addenbrookes. I wouldn't necessarily blame whoever originally drew up the specifications for the landing pad. I think that either someone planning the exercise assumed the landing zone was OK to use, or someone at the hospital was asked and they assumed that all rotorcraft are alike when it comes to downwash.

And as ani fule kno, assumption is the mother of all fusterclucks.

* https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/documented_briefings/2005/RAND_DB472.pdf

EDITED TO ADD:

On reading the other thread, it doesn't appear to be the helipad itself that got blown away, so it's more an outwash issue and guess what? The V-22 generates the worst outwash of any existing type of rotorcraft (see the next slide in the pdf after the downwash one I mention above).
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4431 on: 22 April, 2021, 08:08:50 pm »
Ooh. There's"interesting". I was at John Radcliffe Hospital a few weeks ago, showing people* how to anchor a temporary helipad down. TimC, didn't you see any temporary landing strips during your time in the RAF?

*They were Army, so wearing camouflage, but it was also a construction site, so they gad Hi Vis waistcoats on top. Which was a bit odd.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4432 on: 22 April, 2021, 08:10:05 pm »
Not fast & rarely furious

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4433 on: 22 April, 2021, 08:15:04 pm »
The very stuff.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4434 on: 22 April, 2021, 10:59:36 pm »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise
That can’t have happened because there are NO Ospreys in the U.K. None. The USAnian gubermint say so.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4435 on: 23 April, 2021, 07:02:30 am »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise
That can’t have happened because there are NO Ospreys in the U.K. None. The USAnian gubermint say so.

One went over my house a few years ago. Noisy fucker. I mean, seriously foundation-shakingly LOUD. We’ve had Chinooks going over before and they’re tinny lawnmowers in comparison. But obviously I imagined it.   ;)

Whether or not the helipad was fit for purpose, I question the wisdom of allowing an emergency air ambulance landing site to be used for military exercises. There is likely more than one twat involved in this scenario. It’s a whole chain of twattery.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4436 on: 23 April, 2021, 09:21:56 am »
Ooh. There's"interesting". I was at John Radcliffe Hospital a few weeks ago, showing people* how to anchor a temporary helipad down. TimC, didn't you see any temporary landing strips during your time in the RAF?

*They were Army, so wearing camouflage, but it was also a construction site, so they gad Hi Vis waistcoats on top. Which was a bit odd.

Addenbrookes is not a temporary location, and it's been receiving helicopters (military and civilian) for many, many years, so why doesn't it have a hard-surface helipad? I bet none of its car parks are so temporary!

USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise

That can’t have happened because there are NO Ospreys in the U.K. None. The USAnian gubermint say so.

Bollocks. The CV-22 replaced the MH-53 at 7th SOS quite openly several years ago (2013). One of their roles is CSAR, and, as there are no military hospitals (British or American) in UK, military casualties must be taken to embedded military or specialist civilian teams in UK civilian hospitals, including Addenbrookes. This isn't a new situation; the last military hospital in UK (HMS Haslar) closed in the last century (I was one of its last patients in 1997). The training exercise was probably to give training for this patient transfer for both military and hospital personnel.

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4437 on: 23 April, 2021, 09:32:21 am »
TimC, I'd agree your "why is it a temporary surface when the use case is somewhat permanent" argument has some (a lot!) of merit.

BTW, the stuff that got ripped up and blown away was plastic and was the helipad. The video doing the rounds shows the perimeter lights.  There is also an access trackway leading towards the buildings, wheeling patients for the use of. Google Maps satellite view has a good image.

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4438 on: 23 April, 2021, 09:33:52 am »
The training exercise was probably to give training for this patient transfer for both military and hospital personnel.

That makes sense.

Tim, perhaps you might have some insight into this: who is responsible for ensuring the landing site is suitable for the aircraft landing there? I mean, say the ATC at your local airfield gave you permission to land your 747 there, whose fault would it be when it all went horribly wrong?
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4439 on: 23 April, 2021, 09:46:43 am »
Honestly, it looked like it was set up for yoga. Helicopters don't do yoga. I don't know what they do do. No one does. They fly. We don't know how. It might be anti-magnetism or just gravity thinking fuck this. I like to think there are occasion objects that gravity finds just too ludicrous to be bothered with.

The Americans are probably laughing up our weedy helicopter landing facility. They built a proper one on top of Kings in south London, before that they used to land in Ruskin Park next door. Of particular distress to my lovely wife, whose musical ensemble used to regularly play on the bandstand. Two helicopters landing at the same time (some kind of shifty patient transfer, I figure they're like football stickers, everyone is trying to trade the ebola patient) is louder than a lot of tubas.

Reminds me, once upon a time, they were playing the bandstand on Clapham Common, echoing out the crowd-pleasing strains of the theme from Jurassic Park when someone dressed in a full dinosaur costume dashed out of the bushes, did one lap of the bandstand, and then ran off never to be seen again.

Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4440 on: 23 April, 2021, 10:29:41 am »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise

That can’t have happened because there are NO Ospreys in the U.K. None. The USAnian gubermint say so.

Bollocks. The CV-22 replaced the MH-53 at 7th SOS quite openly several years ago (2013). One of their roles is CSAR, and, as there are no military hospitals (British or American) in UK, military casualties must be taken to embedded military or specialist civilian teams in UK civilian hospitals, including Addenbrookes. This isn't a new situation; the last military hospital in UK (HMS Haslar) closed in the last century (I was one of its last patients in 1997). The training exercise was probably to give training for this patient transfer for both military and hospital personnel.

I just assumed that Beardy was indulging in the popular - that is to say, massively over-used - YACF trope of po-faced, depleted uranium-weight sarcasm, which doesn't come across at all well in a text-based medium... ;) :demon:

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4441 on: 23 April, 2021, 10:34:11 am »
The twat here is the person who didn't run the "requirements, consequences" thought exercise.

If Addenbrooks has to function as the 'military' hospital for the airbase, then running the exercise is reasonable and it is a successful test.

I hope that the septics will partially fund a proper hard pad. If they require access for Ospreys, they should fund the improvements.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4442 on: 23 April, 2021, 10:38:43 am »

The CV-22 replaced the MH-53 at 7th SOS quite openly several years ago (2013). One of their roles is CSAR,

I really really hope that the person in charge of Combat Search And Rescue is the CSAR Csar.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4443 on: 23 April, 2021, 10:41:09 am »
I love boy threads. It's an MH857 not an XH568 you fools.

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4444 on: 23 April, 2021, 10:45:17 am »
USAF 48th Fighter Wing

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-04-22/addenbrookes-hospital-helipad-destroyed-during-military-training-exercise

That can’t have happened because there are NO Ospreys in the U.K. None. The USAnian gubermint say so.

Bollocks. The CV-22 replaced the MH-53 at 7th SOS quite openly several years ago (2013). One of their roles is CSAR, and, as there are no military hospitals (British or American) in UK, military casualties must be taken to embedded military or specialist civilian teams in UK civilian hospitals, including Addenbrookes. This isn't a new situation; the last military hospital in UK (HMS Haslar) closed in the last century (I was one of its last patients in 1997). The training exercise was probably to give training for this patient transfer for both military and hospital personnel.

I just assumed that Beardy was indulging in the popular - that is to say, massively over-used - YACF trope of po-faced, depleted uranium-weight sarcasm, which doesn't come across at all well in a text-based medium... ;) :demon:
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4445 on: 23 April, 2021, 11:13:53 am »
Honestly, it looked like it was set up for yoga. Helicopters don't do yoga. I don't know what they do do. No one does. They fly. We don't know how. It might be anti-magnetism or just gravity thinking fuck this. I like to think there are occasion objects that gravity finds just too ludicrous to be bothered with.

There is a school of thought, common among fixed-wing aviators, that helichopters fit your last sentence to a T(imC). 

A human-powered æroplane has been flown more than 100 km but the human-powered helichopter's greatest achievement is reaching an altitude of 3 metres and staying there for 30 seconds before the engine blew up.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4446 on: 23 April, 2021, 11:33:55 am »
Honestly, it looked like it was set up for yoga. Helicopters don't do yoga. I don't know what they do do. No one does. They fly. We don't know how. It might be anti-magnetism or just gravity thinking fuck this. I like to think there are occasion objects that gravity finds just too ludicrous to be bothered with.

There is a school of thought, common among fixed-wing aviators, that helichopters fit your last sentence to a T(imC). 

A human-powered æroplane has been flown more than 100 km but the human-powered helichopter's greatest achievement is reaching an altitude of 3 metres and staying there for 30 seconds before the engine blew up.
In the gliding community we believe there to be two approaches to flying, with finesse, or with an engine! The less wind an aviator has available, the more engine they need to have access to. A helichopter is the ultimate expression of this philosophy.
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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4447 on: 23 April, 2021, 11:37:08 am »
I've only been in a helicopter twice, and it didn't crash one (and I have a terrible history with planes, it's a good job I'm deathproof).

The second time was between Victoria and Vancouver, and it turned out to be the last flight in the service, so the driver threw in a free tour of southern BC eventually and fatefully curtailed by the words 'ok, we're running short of fuel now.'

Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4448 on: 23 April, 2021, 01:08:10 pm »
The Post Office.

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Re: Super-Twat
« Reply #4449 on: 23 April, 2021, 01:14:13 pm »
The Post Office.

Rev Paula Vennells in particular.
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