Author Topic: Sky - gaming the system? (Read 188695 times)

sojournermike · « **Reply #1450 on:** 13 November, 2019, 12:23:55 pm »

Quote from: Exit Stage Left on 12 November, 2019, 11:34:41 pm

I'm not very concerned about the Sky allegations, it's pro-cycling after all.

I'm more interested in Heiko Salzwedel and British Cycling. I've always been a bit uneasy about GB becoming the new East Germany.

Becoming or having become?

The media are complicit in this of course

sg37409 · « **Reply #1451 on:** 25 November, 2019, 09:12:47 pm »

Hearing was set to receive evidence from former Olympic champion Nicole Cooke

Shame Sutton spat out the dummy. I'd have loved to hear what she has to say about him.

Jakob · « **Reply #1452 on:** 26 November, 2019, 11:28:54 pm »

Seems weak. Sutton has already denied he asked for the patches, although it's also obviously to his advantage that Freeman is found not to have doped any athletes.

Jakob · « **Reply #1453 on:** 09 December, 2019, 08:38:52 pm »

Erhh what?
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/freeman-absent-from-medical-tribunal-after-upsetting-media-reports/?fbclid=IwAR36FXcPq0uqWtskS9BVcfPGQRimGA8rHUaQXAQWiBVuz22XZGnJfGIYtCU

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The BBC reported that Freeman’s lawyer, Mary O’Rourke, said her client had been prescribed a skiing holiday by his doctor and wouldn’t be able to attend the tribunal if it were extended in to the New Year.

I'm seeing my Doc on Friday...I think I'll ask her to prescribe a skiing holiday too!!.

sg37409 · « **Reply #1454 on:** 10 December, 2019, 01:46:09 pm »

The whole trial is a farcical now. I dont see any meaningful outcome happening at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/50725914

.....She also listed a number of allegations concerning Sutton, including:

That he received drugs in a McDonalds toilet in Edinburgh.
That he had confessed to Freeman that he had used amphetamines while he was a rider.
That former Olympic champion Nicole Cooke and her dad provided a five-page statement on Sutton's "bullying, dishonesty and other shady behaviour…."
That Freeman blocked Sutton's phone number but Sutton used his partner's phone to call and verbally abuse the medic.

basset · « **Reply #1455 on:** 20 December, 2019, 12:36:54 pm »

Delayed to till April nothing to see please move on .......

jimmea · « **Reply #1456 on:** 06 October, 2020, 05:29:50 pm »

Back up and running today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/54440592

rogerzilla · « **Reply #1457 on:** 06 October, 2020, 07:15:40 pm »

Yeah, he's not making it up

simonp · « **Reply #1458 on:** 06 October, 2020, 08:44:00 pm »

So one laptop “stolen” another attacked with a blunt instrument and he has nothing to hide.

toontra · « **Reply #1459 on:** 06 October, 2020, 09:00:05 pm »

Harold Shipman managed to avoid being struck off by the GMC despite a criminal conviction and being a self-confessed drug addict - he went on to kill hundreds. Should be easy for Freeman's lawyers to dig him out of this. They look after their own (much the same as the CoE have done over child sex abuse for decades).

pdm · « **Reply #1460 on:** 10 November, 2020, 09:33:50 pm »

Probably not any more!
Since Shipman, it appears the GMC has been much changed and is now perceived by many in the medical profession as a confrontational and sometimes vindictive organisation with a "guilty until proven innocent" ethos. It is alleged that it has since been the cause of suicide, emigration and many an early retirement with most of the victims never being shown to be guilty.
The GMC certainly does not "look after its own" if you mean it is looking after doctors, that is.

toontra · « **Reply #1461 on:** 10 November, 2020, 09:45:05 pm »

Since my post I've spoken to a few legal types who've been on both sides of GMC hearings and, as you say, things appear to have changed since the Shipman days, possibly even swinging the way of "guilty until proven innocent".

I stand enlightened!

Cudzoziemiec · « **Reply #1462 on:** 19 November, 2020, 08:06:43 pm »

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Asked for his opinion of the drug culture within cycling at the time, and whether he would have been aware of testosterone’s performance-enhancing properties, Freeman said: “No, I wouldn't have, really. I came into cycling quite fresh.”

https://road.cc/content/news/freeman-says-unaware-testosterone-boosts-performance-278881
Dodgier and dodgier.

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1463 on:** 19 November, 2020, 08:21:34 pm »

Quote from: Cudzoziemiec on 19 November, 2020, 08:06:43 pm

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Asked for his opinion of the drug culture within cycling at the time, and whether he would have been aware of testosterone’s performance-enhancing properties, Freeman said: “No, I wouldn't have, really. I came into cycling quite fresh.”
https://road.cc/content/news/freeman-says-unaware-testosterone-boosts-performance-278881
Dodgier and dodgier.

Oh I don't know

Seems entirely feasible that a testosterone-ordering team doctor for an aspiring (and, months later, successful) GT team might not know that a TdF winner was stripped and banned for testosterone 5 years previously...

slope · « **Reply #1464 on:** 19 November, 2020, 08:27:14 pm »

Why didn't Dr Freeman just prescribe Viagra and cokaine for Sutton?

Cudzoziemiec · « **Reply #1465 on:** 19 November, 2020, 08:30:18 pm »

Quote from: slope on 19 November, 2020, 08:27:14 pm

Why didn't Dr Freeman just prescribe Viagra and cokaine for Sutton?

And a swimming pool full of champagne to drive a Rolls-Royce into. Or aren't TdF cyclists quite in the Premier League footballer and 80s rock star category?

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1466 on:** 19 November, 2020, 10:00:31 pm »

All perfectly believable that a professional sports doctor knew nothing about the performance-enhancing effects of testosterone. It isn’t as if East Germany had dosed up a wide range of sportists from before that sports doctor had been born.

slope · « **Reply #1467 on:** 19 November, 2020, 10:21:51 pm »

If we ever get to know who was lying most - Sutton or Freeman (+ et al)?

Typical omnishambles, innit?

+ very human and so life as theatre

sg37409 · « **Reply #1468 on:** 19 November, 2020, 11:45:44 pm »

It looks like the plan is to keep delaying it until after the 10 year deadline expires next year for testosterone charges.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/freeman-tribunal-to-be-delayed-into-2021-as-10-year-doping-deadline-looms/

Jakob · « **Reply #1469 on:** 20 November, 2020, 01:30:42 am »

It seems clear that he's willing to destroy his own career to cover up doping. I hope the pay-off is worth it.

IJL · « **Reply #1470 on:** 20 November, 2020, 09:04:49 am »

Quote from: slope on 19 November, 2020, 10:21:51 pm

If we ever get to know who was lying most - Sutton or Freeman (+ et al)?

Typical omnishambles, innit?

+ very human and so life as theatre

Its all a bit chuckle brothers, at least when doping was at its peak it was done properly with motorcyclist delivering packages, transfusions in hotels etc

Ordering banned substances online for delivery to the HQ of the team/British cycling does suggest a few people were a little bit hard of understanding.

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1471 on:** 24 November, 2020, 09:37:57 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/nov/24/shane-sutton-accused-of-lying-denying-he-knew-doping-cycling-tribunal-hears

I heard whispers about Sutton and doping back around 1990. Palov’s quote is not particularly eye-opening, “Anyone who has been in and around pro cycling for so long and isn’t aware of anyone taking drugs is absolutely lying.”

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1472 on:** 24 November, 2020, 09:46:46 pm »

Makes you wonder just how much of an arsehole you'd have to have been to have a team mate from 33 years ago travel abroad to give evidence against you.

rob · « **Reply #1473 on:** 24 November, 2020, 09:50:53 pm »

Quote from: Hot Flatus on 24 November, 2020, 09:46:46 pm

Makes you wonder just how much of an arsehole you'd have to have been to have a team mate from 33 years ago travel abroad to give evidence against you.

I recall watching the 87 Tour and Sutton was out the back from early in the stage pretty much every day. If he was doping that heavily just to make the cut then it was either a very hard race or he was miles off the standard needed.

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1474 on:** 24 November, 2020, 09:55:06 pm »

Sutton was a workaday pro. His brother Gary had real class, World and Olympic champion on the track.

The 1987 Tour was a hard one and Sutton was injured (I think?) at the start but I was focused on the Tour Feminin that year.

Author Topic: Sky - gaming the system? (Read 188695 times)

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