Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: simonp on 29 July, 2010, 07:43:24 pm
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When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:
- four seasons
- four calendar years
- any rolling four-year period
If the first or second, then I could find myself with Brevet 25,000 and no Brevet 5000. ::-)
(PBP '07 in August and Easter Arrow in April '11 are within 4 years of each other, but not in a 4-calendar-year period).
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thought I'd bump this thread as thanks to Simon for digging out the following:
Can someone please look at my results*and work out which award I might reasonably aspire to, and when I need to ride an arrow to get it?
that's not much to ask, is it? Whaddya mean, 'RTFM'?!?
* (since 2007 - not worth looking before that)
Brevet 5000 should be easy. You have LEL, mutliple SR, MC. That's sufficient for the AUK award. (Once you add an arrow)
Brevet 25,000 is a little harder. I'm on something like 216 accumulated points since 2006, have to get to 250 (adding UK events I've already entered, plus PBP this year, == 250). You need iirc 3x SR (got), 1x1000 (got) PBP and LEL (got) and an arrow (not got). For the 5K you have everything you need except the arrow, I reckon. 50 points over 4 years? Easily.
What this tells me is twofold:
- I need to get a shedload more rides validate in 2011/12 than previous years to get a 25K badge. And
- it's a really big step from the 5K to the 25K (not surprising, I guess!)
(Thanks Simon - see you in York).
Now can anyone answer Simon's query for him? :)
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Correction. I thought LEL counted but it doesn't for 5k. So you need to ride PBP 12 minutes faster than last time.
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Really?!? Handbook says "... randonnée of 1200km or more , SR, 1000km ... "
How does LEL not count?
[I do plan to finish PBP in time, but now I'm curious ...]
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When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:
- four seasons
- four calendar years
- any rolling four-year period
The third, I believe.
edit: and, can you count the same rides for both an AUK 5k and 25k ? I'm not so sure. I got an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK 25k simultaneously. (Twice, but I've not bothered claiming the second ACP 5000)
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B25000 doesn't seem that hard but it's easy to fail on one random event eg LEL and blow it. The total points is only an average of about 42 per season. The only full season I've not done that is 2009. So far.
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B25000 doesn't seem that hard
No, I got 2 in 6 years (which is about as fast as it can be done if you use 2 PBPs & 2 LELs),
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Really?!? Handbook says "... randonnée of 1200km or more , SR, 1000km ... "
How does LEL not count?
[I do plan to finish PBP in time, but now I'm curious ...]
Because I read the website which said 1200km not 1200+. The handbook is probably a better source.
To be on the safe side, I'd go for 13 minutes faster. I'd like to avoid having to ride through 4 nights to get round, this time.
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Well PBP is 1225km, so that's 1200+ but not 1200 ??? ;)
(I'm pretty happy that LEL counts, either way. And not bothered enough to ride an EXTRA 1200 just for good measure!)
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When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:
- four seasons
- four calendar years
- any rolling four-year period
The third, I believe.
edit: and, can you count the same rides for both an AUK 5k and 25k ? I'm not so sure. I got an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK 25k simultaneously. (Twice, but I've not bothered claiming the second ACP 5000)
Any rolling four-year period
You can use the same rides for an AUK B5000 and B25000.
PBP is a 1200 brevet. There isn't any brevet that is exactly the nominal distance (Mandlebrot anyone?). AUK allows longer rides to substitute for shorter, the ACP is more restrictive.
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Correction. I thought LEL counted but it doesn't for 5k. So you need to ride PBP 12 minutes faster than last time.
There are two B5000, the AUK version and the ACP version. As Implied the AUK version is less restrictive, I got mine with LEL and a DIY Perm 1,000.
What I don't know is whether LEL can be substitited for the 1,000km in the ACP version.
The chance of me geting a B25000 are nil as the likelihood of my weedy self coping with 42+points for 6 years on the trot are nil. I'll be lucky even to get a R5000.
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What I don't know is whether LEL can be substitited for the 1,000km in the ACP version.
There was some discussion about this particular point years ago. In the distant past no substitution was allowed but I recall Ian H confirming (in 2006?) that LEL could be used in place of the 1000 for the ACP award.
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You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!
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You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!
You got a jersey, didn't you?
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You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!
You got a jersey, didn't you?
Two, in fact. I cycled to work in one of them today. :smug:
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So what's the difference between an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK one ? And why would you go for one rather than the other?
EDIT Apart from the obvious, the ACP will need BRM validated rides
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So what's the difference between an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK one ? And why would you go for one rather than the other?
EDIT Apart from the obvious, the ACP will need BRM validated rides
ACP's is the original, and an international award. AUK's is a copy and (I believe) the first of the UK series of awards.
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<cynic>
AUK recognise ACP's version, but ACP don't recognise AUK's
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The ACP one is harder to get (less so now as there are more BRM events around; it used to be a bit of a bugger) and considered the more prestigious. You get a nice metal badge engraved with your name and a mention in dispatches.
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Am I right in remembering that the ACP B5000 is over any time period?
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Am I right in remembering that the ACP B5000 is over any time period?
Site officiel de l'Audax Club Parisien (http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/index.php?showpage=382)
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ACP B 5000 is between PBP's
(A four year period).
You will have to wait until next year to claim it if the PBP is your last ride for the set.
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Bah. I reset this year for the ACP5000, as I'm not doing PBP 2011.
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Site officiel de l'Audax Club Parisien (http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/index.php?showpage=382)
Thanks Ian
ACP B 5000 is between PBP's
(A four year period).
You will have to wait until next year to claim it if the PBP is your last ride for the set.
No, assuming successful completion of PBP (a big assumption, I know) there is the Scottish ride next year that would round it off.
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Ive an interest in this as I got my AUK Brevet 5000 last year but didn't qualify for the ACP Brevet 5000 as my 1000kms arent BRM.
I had faint / unrealistic hopes that both PBP 2007 and 2011 could be used for the ACP version, but it looks like I'm now in the realms of needing a BRM 1000 km + as well as another Easter Arrow as my one and only of those in 2008 will drop off in 2012 as it were.
So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then. :P
oh heck.....
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The ACP Randonneur 5000 award is any rolling four-year period. I know somebody who's last qualifying ride was 3 years 11 months after their first, equally either side of PBP.
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Site officiel de l'Audax Club Parisien (http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/index.php?showpage=382)
That page may as well be written in French. It reads as if drafted by a lawyer, who doesn't speak english or french, translating from a french document.
But I think I get the idea from other posts here.
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So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then. :P
and I'll be sucking your wheel on all 3 of them!
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Hmm, do you need all BRM rides for the ACP 25,000 medal? That seems unpossible.
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There is no ACP 25000 award. It is AUK, so BRs or BRM.
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There is no ACP 25000 award. It is AUK, so BRs or BRM.
That simplifies things then. :)
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Can longer rides count for shorter on the AUK 5000 award?
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Yes
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So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then. :P
and I'll be sucking your wheel on all 3 of them!
thats the team taking shape then :)
i hear that ecks keen too. ;)
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So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then. :P
and I'll be sucking your wheel on all 3 of them!
thats the team taking shape then :)
i hear that ecks keen too. ;)
I regard my two Easter Arrows as being amongst my Greatest Achievements TM. :smug:
Did you ever hear about the time I had to borrow a spare jersey....?
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So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then. :P
and I'll be sucking your wheel on all 3 of them!
thats the team taking shape then :)
i hear that ecks keen too. ;)
I regard my two Easter Arrows as being amongst my Greatest Achievements TM. :smug:
Did you ever hear about the time I had to borrow a spare jersey....?
That was the one with the snow right?
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That was the one with the snow right?
No, that was the one with the permafrost. ;)
The one with the snow was when we were treated to the sight of McNasty lying on his back in the woods, waving his legs in the air. ??? :-X
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That was the one with the snow right?
No, that was the one with the permafrost. ;)
The one with the snow was when we were treated to the sight of McNasty lying on his back in the woods, waving his legs in the air. ??? :-X
You do seem to have more fun in Scotland.
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Brevet 5000/25000 progress:
25,000:
23,900km of auk points since I started in April 2006. An Easter Arrow next year makes 24,300. So I just need to ride another 700km of events over the winter and it’s done. :thumbsup:
If I miss the arrow in 2012 then points will start dropping off, but I only did 11 points in that season and I’ve averaged >40 points in the following seasons (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 => 228 points) so that’s no big issue, but it’d be nice to get it done.
5,000:
Brevet 5000 is easy enough since I’ve got PBP 2011 and LEL 2009 which should mean I have enough BRM points. I need to get an arrow in by 2013 for LEL 09 to count.
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Brevet 5000 is easy enough since I’ve got PBP 2011 and LEL 2009 which should mean I have enough BRM points. I need to get an arrow in by 2013 for LEL 09 to count.
Job done :thumbsup:
So how do we claim for these things?
(The ACP R5000 I mean - I don't care about your silly show-off 25k)
http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/index.php?showpage=382 was last updated in Jan 09, so it seems possible that matters have moved on since then.
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Why don't you go for the AUK version - just email the relevant results links to the recorder (changed as at last AGM I think), that's what I did for mine.
I don't have a poncy BRM 1000 though, only a BR one. and I think the AUK medals look nicer. (bottle-opener look-alike, pah!)
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Have to wait for the results to be up, first.
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Generally contact AUK's ACP bloke to get the ACP medal. Peter Marshall, occasionally of this parish but contacting him through the AUK website might be a better option.
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The Easter Arrow means an ACP R5000 has been completed here too. Another SR + 74 points still needed for the Brevet 25,000 though, hopeful of completing it this year.
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I gave up on a ACP Brevet 5000 when I got the AUK one (and realised that an ACP Brevet 5000 would mean doing an Easter Arrow this year).
This thread prompted me to get thinking last night about Brevet 25,000. I concluded that if Im serious about Brevet 25k I should really do a 1300km event rather than Mille Alba, which wasnt how Id originally anticipated this year panning out., :-\
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Why don't you go for the AUK version ?
Is that one of the lesser awards? :demon:
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Plodder - must be your ACP 5000 as well ?
According to the details on the link posted by MattC above, yes, I have completed that one. As has Postie. :thumbsup:
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This thread prompted me to get thinking last night about Brevet 25,000. I concluded that if Im serious about Brevet 25k I should really do a 1300km event rather than Mille Alba, which wasnt how Id originally anticipated this year panning out., :-\
It still needs some petitioning to get it accreditetd as an event, but there's a 3000k in Russia this summer. Get's you 30 points and a +1300k ride.
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When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:
- four seasons
- four calendar years
- any rolling four-year period
The third, I believe.
edit: and, can you count the same rides for both an AUK 5k and 25k ? I'm not so sure. I got an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK 25k simultaneously. (Twice, but I've not bothered claiming the second ACP 5000)
Any rolling four-year period
You can use the same rides for an AUK B5000 and B25000.
PBP is a 1200 brevet. There isn't any brevet that is exactly the nominal distance (Mandlebrot anyone?). AUK allows longer rides to substitute for shorter, the ACP is more restrictive.
On attempting to claim my awards I’ve been advised that it’s not a rolling window but is 4 (consecutive) calendar seasons. Doesn’t matter for my 5000 as I managed everything in 2010, 11, 12 but for 25,000 I am one point short as it needs to be 2007-2012, removing 11 points from 2006 from my total. So a random 200k beckons.
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They've tightened up.
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Excuse my ignorance but after reading this thread i am non the wiser :)
I have done the PBP
I will also need an arrow but in the AUK B5000 does the LEL count as the 1000 or not.
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For AUK, yes. For ACP, no.
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Have ridden a DIY 200k on the tandem on the way to the sam fed, camping load and all, to get the extra point I need due to the calendar years stipulation, for the 25,000. Sorted, subject to validation.
Now just to work out how to claim the ACP 5000.
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According to the AUK Handbook, you need to talk to Peter Marshall. The ACP only process the Randonneur 5000 applications once a year though.
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Perhaps there should be a link from here to the AUK handbook: http://www.aukweb.net/official/handbook/
There is currently a link to regulations which is old and not maintained.
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Have ridden a DIY 200k on the tandem on the way to the sam fed, camping load and all, to get the extra point I need due to the calendar years stipulation, for the 25,000. Sorted, subject to validation.
Now just to work out how to claim the ACP 5000.
May have changed names recently, but Genevieve will see you right..you have to send in a Completed form with a of qualifying events with BRM Brevet nos. best to email her to check 1st all is in order, before Oct. deadline for presentation in Jan..
Responsible for the Hiker 5000:
Genevieve Faburel
2 rue Erl
ECQUEVILLY 78920
tel. 01 34 75 98 57
genevieve.faburel @ audax club-parisien.com
http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/FR/index.php?showpage=381