Author Topic: [HAMR] Another go .. TG??  (Read 175270 times)

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #750 on: 18 January, 2018, 06:16:20 pm »
For the first four months his pace was a very consistent 220 miles / 355 km a day, so it’s certainly not beyond him. Of course a lot of circumstances are different now.

He needs to ride 9,802 miles in the next 45 days to reach the Tommy number. He rode 10,040 miles in the first 45 days of this attempt.

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #751 on: 18 January, 2018, 07:28:09 pm »
Go Steve!  Hope he can go the Tommy Godwin distance.  It would be a truely staggering achievement, especially on UK roads and given the record stood for so long, despite Kurt and Amanda going further.
Cycle and recycle.   SS Wilson

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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #752 on: 18 January, 2018, 10:30:21 pm »
UK roads and weather.

Go Steve!
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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #753 on: 19 January, 2018, 12:55:43 am »
It seems that Britain is experiencing some horrible weather now, so is it possible that Steve's effort is going to be curtailed somewhat?

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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #754 on: 19 January, 2018, 08:42:33 am »
It seems that Britain is experiencing some horrible weather now, so is it possible that Steve's effort is going to be curtailed somewhat?
Britain is a big place, in January one town can have deep snow and high winds whilst another is just chilly (with maybe some light rain, or maybe a lovely sunny day like I'm sat in now); Steve only rides in quite a small portion of it during his record attempts.

Check his Strava maps and a UK weather map for more detail.
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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #755 on: 19 January, 2018, 09:02:51 am »
It seems that Britain is experiencing some horrible weather now, so is it possible that Steve's effort is going to be curtailed somewhat?

Check out the Met Office website for good local and national weather forecasting in the UK.   Steve lives near Milton Keynes so you can look at the weather in that area as a start point.

whosatthewheel

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #756 on: 19 January, 2018, 10:49:43 am »
In the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't call it horrible weather, but certainly it is not conducing to cycling long distance.


hillbilly

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #757 on: 19 January, 2018, 11:45:08 am »
It's winter.  It's hardly a surprise and Steve will no doubt have allowed for it in his planning last year.

The overwhelming likelihood now is that Steve is not going to match Tommy's record.  If it were later in the year, I might believe it possible but at this time of the year, the required daily average is unlikely given Steve's recovery rate from injury/setbacks and the likely prevailing conditions. 

I don't view that as a failure, as he has achieved an incredible feat whilst not being 100% for 12 months of the challenge.  Let's face it, Tommy's record was incredible in the first place in any case - there's a reason it stood for so long.

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #758 on: 22 January, 2018, 04:40:52 pm »
Steve's sunday strava, yikes...  340km with snow, sleet, cold, 4km of the A34, and he seemed to quite enjoy it (relatively).
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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #759 on: 22 January, 2018, 04:42:00 pm »
Steve's sunday strava, yikes...  340km with snow, sleet, cold, 4km of the A34, and he seemed to quite enjoy it (relatively).

Astonishing, truly hard as nails.

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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #760 on: 22 January, 2018, 07:17:50 pm »
Well I can't add much to the last 3 posts!

Meanwhile, here's the scores-on-the-doors, stolen from Dogtrousers@cyclechat:

Steve's stats as at 21 Jan 18
Days: 324, 88.8% of year, 41 days remaining
Dist: 106,357 km / 66,087 mi / 2.65 times circumference of earth
Total elevation: 413,681 m / 1,357,222 ft / 46.8 Everests
Avg daily dist: 328.3 km / 204.0 mi (Last 7 days: 323.8 km / 201.2 mi per day)
Avg daily elevation (Strava): 1,277 m / 4,189 ft (Last 7 days: 1848 m / 6063 ft per day)
Moving speed (Strava): 25.4 km/h / 15.8 mi/h (Last 7 days: 22.5 km/h / 14.0 mi/h)
Hours per day riding (Strava): 15.2 (Last 7 days: 16.1)
Projected total at overall daily rate: 119,816 km / 74,450 mi (328.3 km / 204.0 miles per day)
Projected total at 7 day rate : 119,631 km / 74,335 mi (327.8 km / 203.7 miles per day)

Required rates for various records
René Menzies (1937) 61,561 miles. Completed Dec 26.
Ossie Nicholson (1937) 62,657 miles. Completed Jan 02.
Steve Abraham (2015) 63,609 miles. Completed Jan 07.
Bernard Bennett (1939) 65,127 miles. Completed Jan 16.
219.0 miles/day required for Tommy Godwin (1939) 75,065 miles.
243.6 miles/day required for Kurt Searvogel (2015) 76,076 miles.

499.7 miles/day required for Amanda Coker (2016) 86,573 miles.


As billy says, Steve knew about the weather in Jan/Feb when he started this ... but it's still going to hinder him, and he would rather have a 10mpd buffer now than being 10mpd down on schedule [made-up figures to illustrate the general picture!]

The Tommy & Kurt figures are both very difficult now, but not impossible. The one thing we can't estimate easily is how far he can go in the last week-or-so. The unique thing about the year record is sleep; a rider can't improve their moving speed much late in the ride, but they _can_ borrow a lot of sleep from the bank for a short period. So if he's healthy, with his randoneuring experience that could give him a sprint finish. I don't think any other rider has tested that "tactic" yet.

Or of course he could just be far too knackered for any such shenanigans!

Forza Steve
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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #761 on: 22 January, 2018, 08:07:55 pm »
Thanks Matt.

Go Steve!

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #762 on: 22 January, 2018, 08:11:41 pm »
steve abraham
‏So this is the condition Steve has hinted at.

https://twitter.com/steve_abraham74?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=53ba66c7b3984fa68d249ccb7ab34e7c&fl=4&uid=455172463&nid=244+281673753
 
@steve_abraham74
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steve abraham Retweeted Jeremy Vine
I hope to listen with intent to @theJeremyVine talking about my condition #apnoea that almost certainly hampered my @GWR and @The_UMCA Monthly Mileage Record and my current Annual Mileage World Record attempt. Having success with a tongue stabilizer.

Steve tweeted^ That he has sleep apnea. He's using a tongue stabiliser.
Hold the front page, "cyclist uses stabilisers"......

Wishing him well. It was great to read his Strava comments today, stating that he really enjoyed and felt revitalised by the challenging conditions on the roads

Martin

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #763 on: 22 January, 2018, 10:59:50 pm »
just looking at Tommy's June 1939 distances

19th 258 miles
20th 295 miles
21st 361 miles (that's almost 600k, in a day!)
22nd 289 miles

www.tommygodwin.com/1939-stats/june/#

sorry but is this even a real record? just sayin....

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #764 on: 23 January, 2018, 09:54:12 am »
Some days Tommy spent chunks of the day sat in the middle of a fast peloton
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Martin

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #765 on: 23 January, 2018, 10:13:27 am »
Some days Tommy spent chunks of the day sat in the middle of a fast peloton

I know but those last 3 days look pretty hard to believe; was the fast peleton riding all day with him?

We know the distance is possible as Amanda and Kurt have done it (and Steve is coming very close) but by a different means, bashing out a roughly equal distance throughout the year

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #766 on: 23 January, 2018, 10:37:31 am »
Some days Tommy spent chunks of the day sat in the middle of a fast peloton

I know but those last 3 days look pretty hard to believe; was the fast peleton riding all day with him?

We know the distance is possible as Amanda and Kurt have done it (and Steve is coming very close) but by a different means, bashing out a roughly equal distance throughout the year

I'm with you Martin, I'm glad that the record has been broken as we've been given something that is very much easier to believe, and the more attempts that are made at it seem to suggest that steady daily mileage is the best way.

I don't believe that pacing alone is enough to account for the spell of vastly increased mileage in the middle of the year, and who is this peleton that can afford to give so much time of themselves?

hillbilly

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #767 on: 23 January, 2018, 10:50:55 am »


(I thought Tommy's record was validated using a mechanical mileometer on his bike that had to be submitted every day?  At this time separation, we can only accept that it was the official record and more likely than not to be legit, even if some of the daily totals are extraordindary.  But then that was the whole point of his record attempt.  In any case, in the unlikely event it wasn't legit, it gave the world - and Steve in particular - inspiration and something to aim for.)

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #768 on: 23 January, 2018, 10:59:45 am »
steve abraham
‏So this is the condition Steve has hinted at.

https://twitter.com/steve_abraham74?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=53ba66c7b3984fa68d249ccb7ab34e7c&fl=4&uid=455172463&nid=244+281673753
 
@steve_abraham74
 11h11 hours ago
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steve abraham Retweeted Jeremy Vine
I hope to listen with intent to @theJeremyVine talking about my condition #apnoea that almost certainly hampered my @GWR and @The_UMCA Monthly Mileage Record and my current Annual Mileage World Record attempt. Having success with a tongue stabilizer.

Steve tweeted^ That he has sleep apnea. He's using a tongue stabiliser.
Hold the front page, "cyclist uses stabilisers"......

Wishing him well. It was great to read his Strava comments today, stating that he really enjoyed and felt revitalised by the challenging conditions on the roads


I work for ResMed - pretty much the market leader in treating sleep appnea.   It makes perfect sense to me that any form of appnea would be having a massive influence on the attempt.

Steve - feel free to message me if you want some further help with this.   Pretty sure I can get you sorted out with a free private sleep assessment here.   We are near Didcot so not far from you.  If anyone could pass that message on it would be great.

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #769 on: 23 January, 2018, 04:19:44 pm »
^ I am sure that any assistance will be gratefully received. The tracker seems to be quiet today and there was no ride uploaded from yesterday. I hope Steve is OK.
Go Steve!

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #770 on: 23 January, 2018, 06:59:51 pm »
Whichever way you look at it and no matter whether you think these kind of record breaking attempts make any kind of sense, there is absolutely no doubt that Steve is simply amazing.

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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #771 on: 23 January, 2018, 07:07:44 pm »
A big post from Steve on Facebook:

Thanks dog  :thumbsup:


I presume that Trek are not servicing Trek bikes for Steve?? What species is the one in the pic they posted:

https://www.cyclechat.net/attachments/26814517_1652042674834694_2640199603256537219_n-png.392799/


[Can't find an answer on Steve's website since March ... ]
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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #772 on: 23 January, 2018, 07:13:23 pm »
Some days Tommy spent chunks of the day sat in the middle of a fast peloton

I know but those last 3 days look pretty hard to believe; was the fast peleton riding all day with him?

We know the distance is possible as Amanda and Kurt have done it (and Steve is coming very close) but by a different means, bashing out a roughly equal distance throughout the year

I'm with you Martin, I'm glad that the record has been broken as we've been given something that is very much easier to believe, and the more attempts that are made at it seem to suggest that steady daily mileage is the best way.

I don't believe that pacing alone is enough to account for the spell of vastly increased mileage in the middle of the year, and who is this peleton that can afford to give so much time of themselves?

There are better students here of the Year Record, but I'll try: Tommy was a pro and had support from his team. They supplied elite riders to pace him during part of his attempt (I think when the race with a rival was getting tight?). This is a resource not available to any of the 21st Century aspirants!

Look at the pace ridden in the very long Tour de France stages backintheday to see what the pros could sustain all day in a pack. The increase still looks huge, I admit - but it's not inconceivable IMO.
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No.11  Because of the great host of those who dislike the least appearance of "swank " when they travel the roads and lanes. - From Kuklos' 39 Articles

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Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #773 on: 23 January, 2018, 08:12:50 pm »
A big post from Steve on Facebook:

Thanks dog  :thumbsup:


I presume that Trek are not servicing Trek bikes for Steve?? What species is the one in the pic they posted:

https://www.cyclechat.net/attachments/26814517_1652042674834694_2640199603256537219_n-png.392799/


[Can't find an answer on Steve's website since March ... ]

Still look the Raleighs he's been using since the start.

Re: Another go .. TG??
« Reply #774 on: 23 January, 2018, 08:55:59 pm »
A big post from Steve on Facebook:

Thanks dog  :thumbsup:


I presume that Trek are not servicing Trek bikes for Steve?? What species is the one in the pic they posted:

https://www.cyclechat.net/attachments/26814517_1652042674834694_2640199603256537219_n-png.392799/


[Can't find an answer on Steve's website since March ... ]

http://road.cc/content/review/59935-raleigh-sojourn  He has two Raleigh Sojourns.