Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => On The Road => Topic started by: Philip Benstead on 30 August, 2016, 06:18:35 pm
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Crimewatch presenter and keen cyclist Jeremy Vine posts video of angry driver threatening to knock him out
Do we know who this women is?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/30/crimewatch-presenter-and-keen-cyclist-jeremy-vine-posts-video-of/
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Thankfully, I have no idea but I hope the police do by now.
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Good news that it's made mainstream news. Maybe the populous will now realise the crap we have to put up from motorists.
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Shame about the idiotic racists on his Facebook post of the video though. They help undermine his valid point.
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big Thumbsup to Jeremy for keeping his cool throughout!
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Good news that it's made mainstream news. Maybe the populous will now realise the crap we have to put up from motorists.
Hopefully the populous will now realise the racist and misogynist crap many have to put up with day on day too (but yes, terrible and not uncommon behaviour from the car driver there).
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The populace have to put up with pedantry as well.
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There are obviously going to be people who nail their own agenda onto any story they can find. Anti- this; anti-that..
Just see this as a simple 'person on a bike (vulnerable road user) being abused by a person in a car' issue. Simples..
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Amazing amount of pent up anger some people seem to carry around with them. Vehicle tax also apparently ~two months out of date, as someone pointed out.
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Some wag ran the car details through the DVLA vehicle search and it turns out to be untaxed. She'll get the book thrown at her, hopefully.
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Some wag ran the car details through the DVLA vehicle search and it turns out to be untaxed. She'll get the book thrown at her, hopefully.
"You don't pay road tax!"
"Neither do you!"
I actually said that back to someone a few years back, I swear he looked guilty after I said it.
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It appears she has now been spoken to and charges may follow:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driver-arrested-for-threat-to-knock-out-bbc-presenter-jeremy-vine-a3336646.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driver-arrested-for-threat-to-knock-out-bbc-presenter-jeremy-vine-a3336646.html)
I'm not sure, in the circumstances, mouthing off to the press about how annoying it is to be criticised is necessarily a wise move on her part.
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She's not exactly, erm, bright. Thought that's a bit cruel to dumb people. I suppose the great thing about being stupid is that by definition they're too dumb to know they're stupid.
Mind you, that kind of driving is perfectly NFC*.
*Normal For Croydon.
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OTOH, Jeremy Clarkson has given his opinion.
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OTOH, Jeremy Clarkson has given his opinion.
Not surprising.
Jezza knows what it's like wanting to assault someone.
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Jezza knows what it's like wanting to assault someone.
he also knows how to maintain his profile and no doubt some of what he said will appeal to some drivers and thereby gain him more kudos. Always better to be in headlines rather than out of them in his particular case.
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Some wag ran the car details through the DVLA vehicle search and it turns out to be untaxed. She'll get the book thrown at her, hopefully.
"You don't pay road tax!"
"Neither do you!"
I actually said that back to someone a few years back, I swear he looked guilty after I said it.
Sadly not true anymore, since HMG decided to re-hypothecate VED to please the mouth- breathing Clarkson acolytes. However, drivers of electric cars still don't pay it.
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Sadly not true anymore, since HMG decided to re-hypothecate VED to please the mouth- breathing Clarkson acolytes. However, drivers of electric cars still don't pay it.
The new banding doesn't start until next year and hypothecation in 2020. So VED doesn't turn in to a road tax for a little while yet.
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Just watched the video. Some little while ago, I was abused for riding in the middle of the road (pulling out around a deep pothole). Members OTP know how lit up I am, but the car driver who slowed to abuse me told me to get some... lights. Similarly, despite the fact that the video clearly shows Vine on the road with her pulling out from a side street after he passes, she claims pavement cycling. Cognitive dissonance, kneejerk prejudice or simple stupidity?
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I'd vote for stupidity. At some point you'd think she might have noticed that the incident is on video.
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Anger tends to blind the best of us and no-one responds well to being labelled stupid. Which is why I think the 'us and them', 'war on the roads' narrative is unhelpful to us all.
I have mixed feelings about the wisdom of Vine's posting. On one hand the publicity has highlighted the need for cyclists to stay out from door zones with no deliberate attempt to 'hold up' other road users. But it also entrenches the anger among the minority who need to spend less time fuming and more time respecting others on the road.
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And I think it's worth remembering it is a minority.
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Anger tends to blind the best of us and no-one responds well to being labelled stupid. Which is why I think the 'us and them', 'war on the roads' narrative is unhelpful to us all.
I have mixed feelings about the wisdom of Vine's posting. On one hand the publicity has highlighted the need for cyclists to stay out from door zones with no deliberate attempt to 'hold up' other road users. But it also entrenches the anger among the minority who need to spend less time fuming and more time respecting others on the road.
Isn't that a bit like saying gay people shouldn't hold hands in the street on the grounds it entrenches homophobia? I'd rather call them out on their irrationality and it is irrational. How long was she held up? Seconds. There can't be any cyclist who isn't familiar with these angry, bullying drivers. And angry why? For seconds that they'll make up anyway. There's a vast sense of entitlement that road users have. It leaks through to cyclists too, I nearly lost my nose yesterday evening to mid-forties lady on the fully equipped cycle who'd assumed the green man for pedestrians shouldn't get in the way of her journey home. I think we could all dump a bit of that perceived urgency from our days, because unless you're a rocket neuroscientist charged with saving the world from a falling comet and zombie apocalypse on the way to deliver a baby panda, it's probably not warranted. I spent two weeks in a coma and got 147 stitches because someone didn't want to miss the start of a football game. The uniqueness of motor vehicles of course is that they're probably the only circumstance where ordinary folks have an easy means of killing and maiming even if they've no intent to do so. Impatience and anger in a motor vehicle is multiplied by the BHP under the bonnet and it's long past time we raised the level of responsibility of drivers to respect this. We close a nightclub if two people die, but if two people die on the road, we just shrug. Cars crash, roads are dangerous. Until we focus on the drivers, a (what ought to be shocking) number of people will continue to be killed and maimed on the roads.
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Like I said, I have mixed feelings on Vine's particular example. The holding hands comparison is a false equivalence. I am all for an unapologetic holding the lane when out on a bike down the kinds of streets shown in that video. What I am less sure of is whether high profile coverage of filmed confrontation is helpful. It raises the issue but also frames it in the context of conflict.
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I don't think it is a false equivalence. We'd surely – and routinely do – highlight shocking homophobia. Why should bullies behind the wheel of a motor vehicle be treated any differently?
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I was nearly T-boned this morning and as I shouted "whoa" I had foul mouth abuse even though I was doing nothing wrong other than being on the road and gave a verbal warning to alert the driver who had the windows down. (Going along a main road and a car turning right, car before him turned in front of me, no problem, and he assumed he was OK to follow)
I wish I had been wearing a camera as it might have come in useful had I been knocked off.
I have little time for Vine as some of his radio call-ins appear to be designed to antagonise and generate conflict, which I assume he considers good radio. However, in this case I fully support his actions and grateful it has highlighted how shabbily cyclists can get treated. Very pleased that legal action appears to being taken against the driver.
There will also be motorists that believe cyclists have no place on the roads and are a nuisance and nothing will change their minds. Hopefully, the video from Vine will show the other side of the coin and inform the non-cycling public why some cyclist do what they do. But no excuses for other cyclists doing something they should not (jumping red lights etc)
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Like I said, I have mixed feelings on Vine's particular example. The holding hands comparison is a false equivalence. I am all for an unapologetic holding the lane when out on a bike down the kinds of streets shown in that video. What I am less sure of is whether high profile coverage of filmed confrontation is helpful. It raises the issue but also frames it in the context of conflict.
But there is a conflict. And it is pretty one-sided.
What the video highlights is the instant, irrational and violent behaviour of a driver compared to the calm, unthreatening behaviour of a cyclist.
Idiots (and she is one) will continue to be idiots. But is there not a group in between who may pause and consider their own behaviour in the light of seeing this video? At the very least they get to see a cyclist explain that he was merely trying to stay safe, and the lack of understanding of the driver resulted in death threats and violence.
Surely some viewers would find her behaviour repugnant and reflect on the own desire not to behave in the same manner.
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You (Ian, Peter and Flatus) may be right. I certainly hope you are in terms of it having a positive effect on some people's behaviour. I struggle between the instinctive wish to call out poor behaviour when it is observed (and this case was surely an example of that) and the picture painted that riding on our roads is an endless battle risking life and limb. We know that only a tiny fraction of potential journeys are actually ridden and by a tiny fraction of people. We also know that fear of injury and death forms a big part of the narrative that dissuades many from cycling and that fear, while real, is disproportionate in comparison to the actual risks.
Generally I think the approach exemplified by Boardman of campaigning for big investment in appropriate infrastructure and a positive non-confrontational position on behaviour change by motor vehicle drivers, is more effective than the heat generated by highlighting individual instances of angry conflict.
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I don't entirely disagree, I've long since given up arguing with drivers or reading the about such arguments. I think the tit-for-tat arguments are generally pointless. But in a case like this, were a perfectly ordinary person doing what ought to be a perfectly ordinary thing is assaulted on camera, I dunno, perhaps it ought to be seen because as a cyclist that kind of thing has become normal. And it shouldn't be normal.
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I don't think its normal to have that kind of shouting match /assault at all.
I'm with Jo on this. I had reservations when he posted that footage. Polarizes the debate (helped by Jeremy Clarkson) and isn't the best way to get more patience and consideration from road users. I can see the potential benefits as well as a big name celeb is shown to be out riding a bike as if its a normal thing to do.
Plenty of material there for his next phone in on "cyclists on our roads"
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I think we're in danger of tripping over our own feet and good intentions here.
Are these people behaving dangerously and abusively? Check. So prosecute them, publicly shame them, whatever it takes.
"Conflict" implies two sides - this is more like assault, abuse, bullying. To use the comparison with homophobia:
It is only right and sensible to prosecute violent homophobic bullies. Any campaign that highlights the appaling behaviour of the bigoted few is also right and sensible.
And let's just be honest; we want to stop this aggression partly BECAUSE it puts people off riding. That doesn't change the fact that cycling is basically safe, and definitely good for you (despite the risks). We don't need to dance around the facts - the facts are on our side!
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^ Yep. And, I think, she's demonstrated admirably to the proper authorities, she should not be allowed on the road in charge of a vehicle.
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Matt, I think you are responding to a point that hasn't been made. No one here has suggested that the driver's behaviour was in any way acceptable. It is a clear case of bullying and loss of emotional control that is both dangerous and unacceptable.
The question I posed was whether, tactically, raising the profile of incidents like this through sharing videos is an effective way of making roads a safer and more pleasant place to be. It's a tactic that is almost the raison d'etre of the Daily Mail and local papers throughout the country, that of highlighting something that will likely enrage its readership either through empathy with a victim of injustice or hatred of a perpetrator of an injustice. It is very effective in inducing an emotional response that we have had since childhood ("But he started it!"), but I question whether it actually makes things better in this particular context.
I am trying to imagine the group of people who run the risk of behaving like the car driver in that video. People whose anger is barely below the surface and who regard people riding on bikes as "you lot". After seeing that video would they really be persuaded to see sense? It seems unlikely to me as it forces the viewer to choose a side in a polarised argument in which they already feel a strong identity. Equally, the (overlapping) group of people who do not currently ride on roads out of fear of incident or simply the belief that riding on roads is not a very pleasant experience are hardly going to be persuaded that things aren't as bad as they think.
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Here's an example of what I think is a more positive approach to changing driver behaviour. From the West Midlands Police Traffic Unit
https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/junction-malfunction-and-a-new-dawn/
In particular the section 'The Way Forward', although the tone of the whole piece is remarkably positive and evidence-based. It is refreshing (unfortunately) to see such a sensible approach from a large organisation with responsibility for road safety for all users. Good on you WMP.
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She needs to be called on her behaviour, ideally without scaring the crap out of everyone who thinks riding a bike would be nice but won't, "because there are nutters out there".
Easy solution, let the police know, they pull in the miscreant and deal with it.
Except of course, they won't/don't.
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Here's an example of what I think is a more positive approach to changing driver behaviour. From the West Midlands Police Traffic Unit
https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/junction-malfunction-and-a-new-dawn/
In particular the section 'The Way Forward', although the tone of the whole piece is remarkably positive and evidence-based. It is refreshing (unfortunately) to see such a sensible approach from a large organisation with responsibility for road safety for all users. Good on you WMP.
That is superb. Thank you. And a perfect riposte to my mildly negative post immediately above, but then I was thinking of the Met, and I haven't had the most brilliant experience of the Met thus far.
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and I haven't had the most brilliant experience of the Met thus far.
You and me both. When I was knocked off at speed by a car which subsequently destroyed my bike by riding over it as they fled the scene, the Met did absolutely nothing in spite of me spoon-feeding them a witness, reg number, etc. They were reluctant even to take a statement, let alone attend the scene or take any action.
Until that attitude changes what hope is there.
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You need the legislators to understand that there is a problem. Only giving the police the videos will achieve this less well than having some high profile news stories.
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I'm going to give up having a word with drivers. It's not like you're going to get an apology or admission of guilt.
You just get a foul mouthed tirade of ill-thought out words that have no basis in fact. You can't reason with stupid or people that fundamentally believe they are right even when they're not.
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I'm going to give up having a word with drivers. It's not like you're going to get an apology or admission of guilt.
You just get a foul mouthed tirade of ill-thought out words that have no basis in fact. You can't reason with stupid or people that fundamentally believe they are right even when they're not.
My experience is that their very initial response is to look guilty and maybe even say sorry, but this very soon (i.e. almost instantaneously) turns into defensiveness, excuses and then abuse. It seems the "rational" part of the brain says the best form of defence is attack.
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I'm going to give up having a word with drivers. It's not like you're going to get an apology or admission of guilt.
You just get a foul mouthed tirade of ill-thought out words that have no basis in fact. You can't reason with stupid or people that fundamentally believe they are right even when they're not.
My experience is that their very initial response is to look guilty and maybe even say sorry, but this very soon (i.e. almost instantaneously) turns into defensiveness, excuses and then abuse. It seems the "rational" part of the brain says the best form of defence is attack.
Tonight's was pretty close to home and quite nasty. I gave up pretty quickly after phrases about reading the Highway Code and all you cyclists do is shout at motorists. There's loads of decent responses and put-downs that you think of afterwards.
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... all you cyclists do is shout at motorists.
It says a lot that their experience of driving is regularly having cyclists shout at them. Perhaps one day the penny will drop.
(I'm not suggesting shouting at drivers is a good thing, it's invariably a waste of time.)
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... all you cyclists do is shout at motorists.
It says a lot that their experience of driving is regularly having cyclists shout at them. Perhaps one day the penny will drop.
Another thing I should have thought of at the time. Such is life.
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Here's an example of what I think is a more positive approach to changing driver behaviour. From the West Midlands Police Traffic Unit
https://trafficwmp.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/junction-malfunction-and-a-new-dawn/
In particular the section 'The Way Forward', although the tone of the whole piece is remarkably positive and evidence-based. It is refreshing (unfortunately) to see such a sensible approach from a large organisation with responsibility for road safety for all users. Good on you WMP.
Looks like they've begun proceedings - 38 motorists apparently.
http://news.sky.com/story/motorists-face-prosecution-for-driving-too-close-to-cyclists-10579708
Perhaps other regional forces may give it a go; won't hold my breath on TVP adopting...
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On an associated note, the video is of both forward and behind him. Does anyone know if that is a single helmet cam that's reording in both directions or has he just got 2 cams? I like the idea of a single cam.
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She's now been charged with various offences (including the untaxed car).
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Good. Vine may be a tit but she's a danger on the road.
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People who don't tax their car are 35.2% more likely to yell stuff at cyclists about road tax.
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She's now been charged with various offences (including the untaxed car).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37641173
"We don't pay no road tax---er, I mean 'you'!"
I saw Vine's newer video yesterday, in which an unsighted car pulled straight out onto the road. Cue usual stupid comments, including one about "keeping a safe stopping distance". So let me get this right, Mr Moton: every time you approach a vehicle waiting to pull out from a side road you stop in order to "KASSD"? Ditto if there are pedestrians about?
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I saw Vine's newer video yesterday, in which an unsighted car pulled straight out onto the road. Cue usual stupid comments, including one about "keeping a safe stopping distance". So let me get this right, Mr Moton: every time you approach a vehicle waiting to pull out from a side road you stop in order to "KASSD"? Ditto if there are pedestrians about?
Brings to mind an occasion many years ago when I was riding along a main road quite happily at about 18mph when a British School of Motoring car drifted rather nervously out in front of me from a side road. Cue hard braking and a lot of swearing. As there was a set of lights, on red, some 50 feet from the junction I was able to have a word with the "instructor". The conversation went along the following lines:
Me: did your pupil not see me?
Him: Yes
Me: And did you not see me?
Him: Yes
Me: so why did you allow your pupil to pull out in front of me?
Him: Well, I thought you'd have enough time to stop.
I rest my case.
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Reminiscent of the fabled biker-Wankney cabby incident, where the biker is talking to the cabby at some lights.
"Didn't you see me?"
"Sorry; thought when you saw me coming you'd swerve"
SMACK!
"Sorry; thought when you saw my fist you'd duck"
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http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/driver-accused-screaming-abuse-jeremy-vine-cycled-home/
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^ Not
readily accessible unless you are logged in or a member......
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Oh really? Sorry:
(http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cnl_S_S_Pearson_WEB.jpg)
A driver caught on camera screaming abuse at a BBC presenter as he cycled from work in an alleged road rage confrontation appeared in court today (tues). Shanique Pearson, 22, allegedly shouted at Radio 2 and Crimewatch presenter Jeremy Vine, 51, after he stopped in front of her car on Horton Street, Kensington. Hammersmith Magistrates’ Court heard Mr Vine posted the footage on his Facebook page and also passed it to the Metropolitan police after the incident on August
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Ah. Thanks.
It is good to see her maintaining her stance as an ambassador of diplomacy.
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Trying to understand her thought process. Wear the hood up for anonymity when you flick the Vs at photographers.
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Google News shows that the report is on the S*n
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2141060/woman-flicks-the-vs-at-photographers-as-she-arrives-at-court-charged-with-abusing-bbc-presenter-jeremy-vine-as-he-cycled-to-work/
Jan 14th for next installment
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Vine claims that at the end of the incident while pulling away: "She made a finger of her right hand into a gun and mocked fired at me." Abigail Bright for the defence dismissed that claim as "rubbish".
She added: "There's nothing to corroborate that."
She also argued that the video footage from Mr Vine could have been "doctored or edited".
She said: "She was frightened she would knock him off. The video does not give a full account of events."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37906891 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37906891)
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/bbcs-jeremy-vine-to-give-evidence-in-road-rage-row-in-kensington-a3390526.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/bbcs-jeremy-vine-to-give-evidence-in-road-rage-row-in-kensington-a3390526.html)
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Trying to understand her thought process. Wear the hood up for anonymity when you flick the Vs at photographers.
How refreshing to see a young person using a proper V sign instead of the ubiquitous single digit.
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Trying to understand her thought process. Wear the hood up for anonymity when you flick the Vs at photographers.
How refreshing to see a young person using a proper V sign instead of the ubiquitous single digit.
;D
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I think Shanique is wearing the exuberant fur trimmed parka to look good in the selfies. As for understanding her thought process - that is likely to be a challenge on many levels.
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As for understanding her thought process
She's not on YACF, so cannot be subjected to the same scrutiny that you or Wow or MacB or Floutus is.
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Wearing a black top under a pale pink coat, Pearson sat in the dock as the footage was repeatedly played.
Giving evidence, she said she initially hooted to show Mr Vine she expected him to move over when the road widened, and performed an emergency stop when he then halted, adding: "It was too quick, it kind of shocked me."
The former assistant manager at a bookies said she then tried to push his bike out of the way, but Mr Vine held his ground.
She told the court: "I know what I said was wrong and I am open to apology, but I think we both did wrong."
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driver-pointed-gun-sign-at-jeremy-vine-in-road-rage-row-court-hears-a3440456.html
Her version is she was shocked and puzzled by the man who stopped dead in front of her on his bike and later, when he took her photo, she was alarmed and perturbed. She's admitted to driving an unlicensed vehicle.
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Road rage driver who threatened to 'knock out' Jeremy Vine says: 'I'm not happy' as she is convicted
Court news.
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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/driver-who-made-gun-gesture-at-jeremy-vine-in-road-rage-row-faces-jail-a3455351.html
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She tweeted threats while the trial was on:
https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/826751393826533376
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Any way of verifying that it her account? I can't dig into twitter while at work.
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That's true, it may not be legit.
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The account was set up only this month. If it is legit, she is even more dumb than anyone could have imagined (and illiterate). I suspect it may be fake.
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The account may be in doubt but her dumbness isn't. And she has been found guilty.
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Pearson, who has a number of previous convictions including assaults and theft, may face prison as she was already subject to a suspended sentence.
Only 22. Off to a good start.
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You'd have thought someone driving an uninsured car would have the common sense to drive with a considerable amount of circumspection, but...
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She probably thinks circumspection is just for boys
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That's a very cutting comment.
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I must remember that word for when I'm watching Pointless: which will hopefully be what Miss Pearson's licence won't be very shortly.
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And so she continues digging...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2772155/woman-road-rage-jeremy-vine-apology/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2772155/woman-road-rage-jeremy-vine-apology/)
Vine must be worried at losing all those viewers of Crimewatch!
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"The young woman said she was unhappy that her name had been tarnished by the footage".
Hmmm.
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She said: "I'm going to tell everyone, make sure not to watch Crimewatch.
"I'm going to make sure I tarnish his name, like he tarnished mine."
Poor old Shaneeq.
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"The young woman said she was unhappy that her name had been tarnished by the footage".
Hmmm.
Ummm suspended sentence and a bit of previous..
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And now appealing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39125341
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The woman appears to lack common sense; in her shoes, and with a suspended sentence hanging over me, I'd STFU!!
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Indeed.
"who has a number of previous convictions including assaults and theft, had been warned she could be jailed as she was subject to a suspended sentence when the argument happened.
She has admitted driving an unlicensed vehicle." :facepalm:
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... but then look at Kenneth Noye - cleared for stabbing an undercover cop in his back garden, then goes on to get involved in a fight on the hard shoulder of the M25.
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And now appealing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39125341
Shouldn't tht read 'appalling'.
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And now appealing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39125341
Shouldn't tht read 'appalling'.
No, that would be no change, no news...
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The woman appears to lack common sense; in her shoes, and with a suspended sentence hanging over me, I'd STFU!!
Suspect it is dragging things out as she may get time...but as a mother of one I doubt she will go inside. Feel sorry for the child.
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Doesn't carrying out actions which could tarnish your reputation cause your reputation to be tarnished? The fact there's a wider audience for videographic corroborating evidence just means more people to know you're a grade A tool who shouldn't be allowed to drive a kids pedal car.
She had a bad reputation, suspended sentence, previous for assault apparently would count for that. The woman is a tool!
PS i am not really following this story so please tell me if I've missed any pertinent information that proves the above wrong.
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I suspects she lacks the understanding that actions have consequences. There is a common thread running through her previous record.
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^^^This
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And now appealing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39125341
No, not very.
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The account was set up only this month. If it is legit, she is even more dumb than anyone could have imagined (and illiterate). I suspect it may be fake.
I'm not sure, she's tweeting selfies and pov stuff of her arrival at court:
https://twitter.com/ShaniquePearso2/media:
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Mind you she told Peter Hitchens to piss off so she's not all bad.
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The account was set up only this month. If it is legit, she is even more dumb than anyone could have imagined (and illiterate). I suspect it may be fake.
I'm not sure, she's tweeting selfies and pov stuff of her arrival at court:
https://twitter.com/ShaniquePearso2/media:
Good grief. She really is thick.
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I'm not sure, she's tweeting selfies and pov stuff of her arrival at court:
Commendable number of bike racks outside Isleworth Crown Court. ;)
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The account was set up only this month. If it is legit, she is even more dumb than anyone could have imagined (and illiterate). I suspect it may be fake.
I'm not sure, she's tweeting selfies and pov stuff of her arrival at court:
https://twitter.com/ShaniquePearso2/media:
Good grief. She really is thick.
Yup. More significantly, she is clearly unable to understand causality. The same sort of fuckwittery that leads to death from drink driving or texting etc.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39629808 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39629808)
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So 'driving an unlicensed vehicle, driving without reasonable consideration for other road users and using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour', and 'at the time of the incident, she was subject to a suspended sentence for a string of previous convictions for robbery, thefts and assault'. Nice.
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Oh no!!
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Looking at her Twitter feed she has issues imo - kinda feel sorry for her (and her son) although I do think time spent at HMP will hopefully make her think - or not. :facepalm:
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Looking at her Twitter feed she has issues imo - kinda feel sorry for her (and her son) although I do think time spent at HMP will hopefully make her think - or not. :facepalm:
I don’t feel sorry for her - not at all. A nasty piece of work that has, by the sound of it, caused a lot of misery and harm to others.
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No sympathy here either. It sounds as if JV tangled with a real villain. Credit to him for standing up to her.
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I find her rather terrifying.
The entitlement, the hyper-sexualised-vanity, the complete disregard for the law/other people and all topped off with some confusing religious bent. ("The courts can't judge me, only God can" etc.)
It's a dangerous mix. Is she a lone nut-job or a just another sad indictment of our society?
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More nuts than KP and less empathy than a rock.
But don't forget fellow denizens of London, she'll be back behind the wheel in a couple of months with ALL NEW GRIEVANCES and ADDED BAD ATTITUDE (I didn't see if she got a ban, but it'll be concurrent with her sentence I'm sure). I very much doubt she'll be NEW AND IMPROVED the next time she tries to overtake a cyclist.
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I find her frightening (she has no empathy or social awareness) and also rather sad. She'll go through life not understanding why things keep going wrong around her, why she keeps on getting in trouble.
Doubt very much whether being banned will stop her from driving once she is released from prison.
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I find her frightening (she has no empathy or social awareness) and also rather sad. She'll go through life not understanding why things keep going wrong around her, why she keeps on getting in trouble.
Doubt very much whether being banned will stop her from driving once she is released from prison.
I don't think she is that different from any number of pond life scumbags that the police spend most of their time and resources dealing with. In prison she'll meet a whole bunch of people just like her. She's clearly really very fucking thick, and on the basis of my one experience of spending a day amongst inmates in a prison, I'd say that and social class are the common factors.
Next time she runs up against a white male middle-class celeb with a helmet cam she might think twice.
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(I didn't see if she got a ban, but it'll be concurrent with her sentence I'm sure)
No, the law was changed recently so that bans cannot be concurrent.
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Next time she runs up against a white male middle-class celeb with a helmet cam she might think twice.
You are right, but how's your maths?
2 x 0 = ?
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;D
Among the usual anti cyclist rubbish in the BBC comment section was someone moaning about how sanctimonious Vine had got some poor driver sent to prison for making hand gestures after he goaded her. ::-)
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Next time she runs up against a white male middle-class celeb with a helmet cam she might think twice.
Yup.
The guilty party has been sent down for 9 months, and people are still finding negatives in the legal process! Maybe I'm misreading posts ... ::-)
Prison may not be the best rehabilitation method out there, but it's probably the best we have. I reckon even a few days behind bars would be a massive shock to most, and has fair chance of making them think about the consequences of their actions. Start a petition if you want her hands chopped off.
She will have quite a bit of time alone with her thoughts.
(And those suspended sentences from previous offences might not seem like a let-off now.)
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She is an irredeemable psychopath, whose skewed view of the world will only be strengthened by her short time in jail. She will be nothing but trouble to those around her for the rest of her days, supported and encouraged by those she surrounds herself with.
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She is an irredeemable psychopath, whose skewed view of the world will only be strengthened by her short time in jail. She will be nothing but trouble to those around her for the rest of her days, supported and encouraged by those she surrounds herself with.
I'm struggling to find myself arguing with any of that^.
Time bomb.
I've seen little to be convinced that she is capable of processing the information.
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
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I find her frightening (she has no empathy or social awareness) and also rather sad. She'll go through life not understanding why things keep going wrong around her, why she keeps on getting in trouble.
Doubt very much whether being banned will stop her from driving once she is released from prison.
I don't think she is that different from any number of pond life scumbags that the police spend most of their time and resources dealing with. In prison she'll meet a whole bunch of people just like her. She's clearly really very fucking thick, and on the basis of my one experience of spending a day amongst inmates in a prison, I'd say that and social class are the common factors.
You are probably right.
I hesitate to lump all prison inmates into that category though. MrsC used to teach in a women's prison, and I sat on a bus with inmates who were on day release (work practice). From my (and MrsC's) experience, not all inmates are like this stupid girl/woman. Ok, obviously the ones I've met were were the ones working on their rehab, but still that shows that some were working on life. They'd committed all sorts of offenses from car crime, not paying fines, drug dealing, to crimes of violence.
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
So what's your plan?
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
So what's your plan?
We could deport her to some godforsaken island the other side of the world?
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
So what's your plan?
i know you were not asking me, but in terms of direct punishment I don’t think there is a solution. It’s just how some people are, and their existence is a result of the sort of society we live in, i.e one that promotes completely misperceived “rights” at the expense of others.
Thinking more generally about road safety and people who drive while banned, perhaps it’s time to consider measures against those who knowingly lend, hire or sell cars to such drivers. But given that there are not enough resources to adequately police existing traffic laws, I won’t be holding my breath.
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I think that a move towards treating cars in the same way that industrial equipment is would be a good thing. HSE investigation is somewhat more rigorous.
It saddens me when someone has died and the put-upon motorist complains about the time they are delayed by as the investigation takes place.
One always has to remember how beholden, financially, the average newspaper is to the motor industry.
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
So what's your plan?
We could deport her to some godforsaken island the other side of the world?
Why reward her behaviour?
Given she is likely to remain a danger to other road users, anything that keeps her off the road for as long as possible gets my vote.
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Matt, I'll give you 10:1 that she'll be a dangerous shit for pretty much all her life. Nothing has got through to her in the slightest yet.
So what's your plan?
We could deport her to some godforsaken island the other side of the world?
Why reward her behaviour?
Given she is likely to remain a danger to other road users, anything that keeps her off the road for as long as possible gets my vote.
I thought Australia had passed hate legislation on cyclists.
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So fits in with her view. Again, why reward her?
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Happy to have her deported to a country that hates cyclists.
Win. Win.
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I'm sure the remaining cyclists there will appreciate your actions.
By the way, NSW isn't the entire country of Australia, though that state is bigger than countries over here.
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I'm sure the remaining cyclists there will appreciate your actions.
By the way, NSW isn't the entire country of Australia, though that state is bigger than countries over here.
Ah, I hadn't realised that the MHL only applied in NSW, sorry.
or that there were so few remaining cyclists in Australia. Sorry.
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The introduction of the MHL is ancient history, granddad!