Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Food & Drink => Topic started by: mllePB on 06 December, 2019, 09:21:18 pm
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Some years ago we gave up on the bottle delivery and went plastic like the other 99+% of the 2000s population. In recent years we've had an arrangement with our local organic shop to deliver milk a couple of time a week as we were on the route of their veg delivery round. Unfortunately the new owners of the business have turned it vegan so we're back on lugging milk from Sainsbury's local.
So I'm toying with trying milkperson delivery again. Glass bottles appeal too, rather than adding to the plastic mountain.
Anyone else gone back to bottles and think it's worth it?
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Milk bottles delivered/ collected for over a decade here.
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Being 4 floors up & behind 3 locked doors it's not really practical. Think the parents still get deliveries but cartons rather than bottles.
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We are just getting deliveries back here in our small Wye Valley village. We are pretty much unanimously supporting it, including, as it does, locally sourced bread, butter,q cheese and bacon. I am not unhappy about this! :)
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Never stopped here in North Yorkshire. Been getting milk deliver to the doorstep for all of the 23 years we have lived in this tiny village. Milkman gets here even when the postie and delivery drivers say they cant make it due to snow etc.
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I have noticed that bluetits have forgotten how to peck through the foil caps and get at the milk though. When I was a kid they were always doing it now it never happens.
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My milk is delivered by milkandmore.co.uk, now part of Müller, three times per week.
A pint of semi-skimmed in a glass bottle is slightly more than a 2 pint plastic Sainsbury's bottle.
My milkman delivers 7 pints per week, compost for the garden and occasional 'distress' purchases, which is handy for a car-free household with a housebound inmate.
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I have noticed that bluetits have forgotten how to peck through the foil caps and get at the milk though. When I was a kid they were always doing it now it never happens.
Once the blue tits had opened it our dog used to drink the top third of the bottle.
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Most milk is homogenised and many now take semi-skimmed, so the tits get scant cream should they peck the tops.
Milk firms sell cool bags and milk minders which keep the tits out...
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We do have a bottled milk delivery here in Llandismal, but our milk consumption is so random that we can't really commit.
Luckily they supply the local (not very) supermarket so we are able to buy bottles there as and when.
Bit of a pain having to take the empties back. Particularly when I've forgotten several times and have to lug a large bag full.
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I have noticed that bluetits have forgotten how to peck through the foil caps and get at the milk though. When I was a kid they were always doing it now it never happens.
Morphic resonance (https://impossiblekisses.blogspot.com/2010/09/bluetits.html) at work? Helly's answer seems plausible, but I remember when bluetits were able to distinguish between full cream and buttermilk by the colour of the tops.
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We don’t. We could I think, our neighbour does, and he’s an early bird, around 4:30. We buy 2l containers and freeze them. Recently the thickness of the (Tesco) plastic bottles has got thinner still (no bad thing, the farm shop ones are at least double the thickness) so one or two split ones due to expansion. However milk containers are one of the most recycled of plastics, the tops being coloured recycled container plastic.
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I have noticed that bluetits have forgotten how to peck through the foil caps and get at the milk though. When I was a kid they were always doing it now it never happens.
Morphic resonance (https://impossiblekisses.blogspot.com/2010/09/bluetits.html) at work? Helly's answer seems plausible, but I remember when bluetits were able to distinguish between full cream and buttermilk by the colour of the tops.
I suspect birds aren't too stupid. If one top is YUM and another is f*cking close to water they'll both learn by association and quite possibly pass this knowledge onto their young.
Milk deliveries were daily back then and delivered milk might have been warmer. The milkman of my childhood was still on his rounds at 4pm, after being out all day and an extended 'coffee' break with Mrs ? at #** on our street.
Our milk is now delivered between 2-3am three times per week.
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One of the neighbours used to. I think it was Milk & More and therefore presumably, as Helly says, plastic bottles. I can't ask the neighbour because she died last winter. :(
There is a shop nearby that's recently installed a machine to fill your own milk bottles. You can bring your own bottle or buy a glass 1-litre bottle for £1. The milk is unhomogenised, so nice and creamy. :) They've installed this at the request of the dairy, which is in Bruton (Somerset) but maybe there's something of that kind near you?
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I have GLASS bottles from Milk and More and plastic from Sainsbury's.
(I have just checked what I posted upthread.)
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Are McQueens in your area?
They seem to have expanded significantly recently well away from their St Andrews / Glasgow bases and into England.
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Ditto, glass from M&M here too.
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I have GLASS bottles from Milk and More and plastic from Sainsbury's.
(I have just checked what I posted upthread.)
So you do. Sorry. Memory cells fading. :hand:
(In fact, I thought I remembered clinking glass sounds when I occasionally used to hear the Milk & More van – only very occasionally cos it used to be around 4 a.m. – but was sure you'd mentioned plastic, so... :facepalm:)
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The thing about the old milk floats is that they sound like a startup
- milk delivered to your door
- our delivery system is electric vehicles
- the staff work for us for peanuts
- promoted by a viral video featuring Benny Hill
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Curious system around here: folk would hang a bucket on their fence with clothes-pegs clipped on the rim to indicate the number of litres they wanted. The milk came in 1L plastic sachets rather than poured into the bucket, though.
Haven't seen that for a year or so, I guess the supermarkets have clobbered it, as with everything else.
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I recall milk in plastic bags in Oz when I was small, along with delivery bottles. I think it is mostly supermarket plastic there now.
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I recall milk in plastic bags in Oz when I was small, along with delivery bottles. I think it is mostly supermarket plastic there now.
When cartons first became a thing, I remember an old man saying, "Strange people, the English. They have milk in paper bags."
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Plastic sachets and a 'jug-it' jug for them were a Thing around 2010.
Discontinued after I'd bought a few jugs...
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I pass a Milk & More depot on my travels through the steppes of South Croydon, so I guess it's a thing even in the Big Smoke. That said, not seen anything more local. Milk delivery was a big thing when I was growing up, of course, mostly to support the 'he looks like you he does' meme used when defaming someone's parentage.
I'm not sure, to be honest, who needs so much milk. I'm sure we used to get several pints a day back then. We get a box of UHT semi-skimmed and it lasts for ages. Perhaps they bathed, like a cheaper version of Cleopatra, in gold top.
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I'm not sure, to be honest, who needs so much milk.
It's to make the cornflakes more sexy.
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Surely that defeats Mr Kellogg's stated purpose.
I don't like breakfast cereal on account that it's cardboard that we've somehow been cultured to eat.
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The 1960s Tetrapack used to explode most gratifyingly when tossed from the third floor. I suppose you could call that a doorstep delivery.
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Surely that defeats Mr Kellogg's stated purpose.
Not if you use skimmed... :hand:
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As a kid, our household would get 4-6 pints of full-cream milk every day for parents & 5 kids.
Mum never had breakfast cereals, though everyone else did. Quite a lot of milk was used in cooking, custard and hot drinks for the grown-ups.
Mum drank up to two pints per day when I was younger and she was pregnant or feeding.
We get through a pint at breakfast time and more for our hot drinks later in the day so use about 9 pints per week.
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Plastic sachets and a 'jug-it' jug for them were a Thing around 2010.
Discontinued after I'd bought a few jugs...
Still de rigeur in (parts of) Canada, apparently. Not the bits of Canada I've made tea in though.
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Plastic sachets and a 'jug-it' jug for them were a Thing around 2010.
Discontinued after I'd bought a few jugs...
I remember those in Poland a few years earlier. Actually could have been as early as 2002. It wasn't around long, I think people found it went off quickly.
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Surely that defeats Mr Kellogg's stated purpose.
Not if you use skimmed... :hand:
Skimmed milk is simply blue water in a milk bottle, and bluewater is sexy because, as every good BRITON knows, bluewater is shopping and shopping is sexier than sex. JennyB's old man was right...
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The 2-pint Jug-It Pouches were available from Sainsbury's for a couple of years and then discontinued. Milk was slightly cheaper than in plastic bottles.
The milkman also supplied these, but stopped.
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We get milk from McQueens dairies because milk and more don't deliver here. They don't have the range that milk and more have, and you have to be more organised than I to change your order, so I have it set at a minimum (2 pints on Mondays, 3 pints and a litre of apple juice on Thursdays) and top up with 4 pints in plastic most weeks. Milk and More required much less planning as they have an app and you can change the order up until 9 pm the night before.
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I've just looked, and apparently Milk and More would deliver here, and do Lactofree at an appropriately steep markup. Then I remembered it would just get nicked by BloodyStudents unless we installed some sort of high-security milk bunker.
Not that it really matters, the stuff has a long shelf life and 6 litres (reasonable maximum for fridge and pannier) will last barakta a couple of weeks.
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I've having a pint a week off McQueens for the last couple of months. I only use it for making milk kefir. I've not noticed any taste change over the supermarket milk I used to buy but the Mk grains love it and have been growing well which they were very reluctant to do before.
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we get 3 ltr per week but it comes in plastic bottles. Pints would come in glass but are more expensive.
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One pint of homogenised semi-skimmed in a glass bottle from Milk & More cost me 81p.
Two pints of homogenised semi-skimmed in a plastic bottle from Sainsbury's is 80p.
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We have our semi-skimmed delivered once a fortnight by Mr Tesco along with most of the rest of our groceries
We buy the filtered own-brand Cravendale-like stuff and we've never had any go off.
I doubt there's any green difference between a Tesco van delivering to us and a dozen other households compared to us driving to the retched place, but it's so much better for my stress levels.
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I get a Sainsbury's grocery delivery as needed, every 5-10 days. We are car-free and online shopping reduces stress and gives me a chance to consider my purchases MUCH more carefully than in a shop.
We get 7 pints of milk delivered per week and about 2 pints of Sainsbury's milk.
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No one will deliver here, because we're in a flat. I'd like to get glass bottles really, but plastic is the only stuff available - so Cravendale (or the Tesco version) it is.
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We seem to have cut our milk consumption almost to zero now that Mrs Cudzo has decided a growing boy needs a proper breakfast, especially in the winter, especially if he gets up early to deliver papers, rather than cornflakes or whatever the name of his second favourite cereal was.
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Sadly, having been a supporter of the milkman and glass bottles for about 30 years we've stopped the service . . . for a number of reasons:
1 The delivery was about 0430 and the truck rattled over the cobbles/paving in our cul de sac making a noise that was annoying to the neighbours (we sleep at the back of the house)
2 When the truck threw itself into a 3 point turn the rattling increased and the full-beam headlights blasted 4 adjacent houses, again annoying people at the ungodly hour
3 The milk used to come from a depot about a mile away (presumably shipped there in a refrigerated truck) - it now comes on the open delivery truck from the environs of Birmingham probably 20 miles away - the result, with the slightest warmth in the weather, is that the milk is on the doorstep at 0430 until about 0800 and warms up - thus going off rather faster than it should.
It's a real pity - we've moved onto plastic (although it's great fun using the steam wand on our coffee machine to heat and flatten the plastic bottles for the recycling bin)
Rob
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I am disgruntled!
Milk deliveries are cancelled on Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day. Fine, no problem, we've known months ahead.
Milk and more have sent numerous emails explaining 'cancelled' supplies would be delivered in advance, as they have done in the past. Today's delivery contained no extra milk; they've sent an email stating non-supplies will be refunded. If I did not have a good reserve supply of frozen milk I would have been without milk for Christmas, which would be horrible.
I'm all right Jack but pity those who really depend on their doorstep milk delivery.
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Sadly, having been a supporter of the milkman and glass bottles for about 30 years we've stopped the service . . . for a number of reasons:
1 The delivery was about 0430 and the truck rattled over the cobbles/paving in our cul de sac making a noise that was annoying to the neighbours (we sleep at the back of the house)
2 When the truck threw itself into a 3 point turn the rattling increased and the full-beam headlights blasted 4 adjacent houses, again annoying people at the ungodly hour
3 The milk used to come from a depot about a mile away (presumably shipped there in a refrigerated truck) - it now comes on the open delivery truck from the environs of Birmingham probably 20 miles away - the result, with the slightest warmth in the weather, is that the milk is on the doorstep at 0430 until about 0800 and warms up - thus going off rather faster than it should.
It's a real pity - we've moved onto plastic (although it's great fun using the steam wand on our coffee machine to heat and flatten the plastic bottles for the recycling bin)
Rob
Neighbours, eh!. Many years ago some friends and I were on a train spotting trip in South Wales (Kidwelly). One of the older members was driving the Transit we were in but took a bend too fast and we ended up hitting a full milk float parked at the roadside and the Transit turned on its side. That really woke the neighbours!!
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No use crying over...
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We've never stopped (in suburban North Hertfordshire) using the local dairy to deliver in the traditional way. It's changed hands a number of times, but we still do the whole glass bottles and crate-with-a-dial (to indicate the required number that day) thing.
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I did float this with the Mrs (See what I did there) but she was not keen as previous experiences were that of huge unreliability.
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I have been underwhelmed by my deliveries over the Festive Season but will continue with Milk and More for now.
The lack of extra milk on 23 December would have left me short if I hadn't always frozen some Sainsbury's supply.
The milk delivered on 27 December went sour before the date embossed on the top.
The milk delivered on 3 January had a very short date.
Hopefully, things are getting back to normal now...
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Plastic sachets and a 'jug-it' jug for them were a Thing around 2010.
Discontinued after I'd bought a few jugs...
Still de rigeur in (parts of) Canada, apparently. Not the bits of Canada I've made tea in though.
Yep, confused me no end on my first visit to the in-laws in Ontario. Still does to be honest...picking up a bag of milk just doesn't sound right!
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We signed up for milk & more several weeks ago and have been filling the milk shelf of the fridge with glass milk bottles but best of all I've now discovered that they also deliver old-style silver top milk.
Milk like-it-used-to-taste, i.e. non homogenized ;D
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Have the local birdlife remembered how to peck through the tops of the bottles before you get to them ?
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I think homogenisation and the trend to semi-skimmed milk have induced lack of memory.
I doubt 2% fat milk is worth the effort, unlike that nice thick cream layer, which might have had five to ten times the fat concentration.
Our milk round is currently short-staffed, with late deliveries.
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Have the local birdlife remembered how to peck through the tops of the bottles before you get to them ?
Our dog used to finish what the birds started
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We signed up for milk & more several weeks ago and have been filling the milk shelf of the fridge with glass milk bottles but best of all I've now discovered that they also deliver old-style silver top milk.
Milk like-it-used-to-taste, i.e. non homogenized ;D
This is how I like milk too. :thumbsup:
(Although actually I seem to have given up with milk now, not through conscious decision but just change of breakfast habits.)
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The unhomogenised full-fat milk our milkman left us (I don't know if this was a genuine error or a covert sales ploy) a few months ago was gorgeous.
It cost significantly more than the usual offering and I stayed with the semi-skimmed.
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Feeling very smug now for signing up to milk&more in January.
Doorstep is the perfect no contact delivery assuming desperation doesn't extend to doorstep theft.
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I’m sure our normal Saturday dawn delivery will turn up eventually. The M&M website was getting overwhelmed during the week. Surprised much?
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Our deliveries are Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Tried the milkandmore website earlier today to see what groceries they carried.
Crowd queueue.
Didn't wait.
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Added a 2 litre bottle of milk to our weekly Riverford organic veg delivery a few months ago. Now managed to add another, along with a box of 6 eggs.
Riverford have suspended accepting new customers, they've been somewhat overwhelmed.
Managed to get some otherwise unavailable items from the two Holland & Barret shops in Uxbridge.
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Milk and More has decided to give its milk delivery staff Easter Saturday and Easter Monday off. They would have delivered Monday's milk next Wednesday. I initially ordered extra milk for Friday to supply me for Monday & Tuesday but there is not enough space in my fridge for 6 glass bottles and I can't freeze milk in glass bottles.
Amending orders on their website is a PITA so I have cancelled Friday's order and increased my Sainsbury's plastic milk order.
I feel guilty about this.
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M&M's deliveries to Lt. Col. Larrington (retd.) are in plastic 2-pint wossnames. My own milk consumption is low enough that a pint does me a week, but Mr Sainsbury's House Of Toothy Comestibles hasn't had pints since the Coronalurgi started and I end up pouring a pint of moo juice down the sink every week >:(
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M&M's deliveries to Lt. Col. Larrington (retd.) are in plastic 2-pint wossnames. My own milk consumption is low enough that a pint does me a week, but Mr Sainsbury's House Of Toothy Comestibles hasn't had pints since the Coronalurgi started and I end up pouring a pint of moo juice down the sink every week >:(
Why don’t you freeze it? A pop bottle will do. We always freeze our milk - and even unfrozen it stays palatable for a week (‘though we generally have skimmed, semi-skimmed at a pinch).
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The two of us go through about 9 pints of milk per week - a pint for breakfast and the rest for drinks, custard and cooking. The fridge door holds 5 glass bottles or two-pint plastic jobs. I've decided not to feel guilty if m&m go 5 days between deliveries and I choose other supply.
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Is M&M delivering in glass bottles a new thing?
We used to get milk delivered in glass bottles from a local dairy (local as in less than three miles away), then they stopped selling milk (they still make the most excellent cheese though) and their delivery business was bought up by Express, so we were getting milk delivered from Canterbury instead. Then they got taken over by M&M, and suddenly our daily delivery was coming in plastic bottles from over 20 miles away, so we cancelled it.
Maybe it’s a regional thing - whether you get glass or plastic bottles may depend on who your local M&M supplier is.
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I have had glass bottles for the 15+ years in which I've had doorstep delivery.
Express Dairy had a local depot, which has closed. Express became milkandmore, which was sold to Mūller.
My glass bottles initially bore the Express logo, then Dairy Crest, I think. Bottles are mostly blank now.
We had 'stray' bottles from Kirby and West, who had supplied us as kids in Leicester and we frequently get Cotteswold Dairy bottles.
I suppose I'm a bottle nerd.
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There ought to be a word for a bottle-ologist but I don't know it.
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We’ve had glass bottles for about 40 years. Originally local person, but now M&M. Faultless service. On hot days he carefully places bottles in a cool bag we leave out.
Apparently, since the virus, demand has gone through the roof. They are desperately recruiting milk deliverers. Let’s hope these new customers stay with them.
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At 81p per pint, I doubt this!
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Back in the day, my best friend's dad was a milkman. IIRC, he operated as a franchise, so his income was based on the size of his round. I don't suppose you would be able to make a living doing that these days.
Would be interesting to see if that changes following this crisis.
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The vendor of the house I own was a milkman, who retired to Poole 20 years ago. Does not look like he was struggling.
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The price of milk in supermarkets is low at 60 ppl, considering the farm gate price of 30 ppl, and is almost certainly loss leader for other sales.
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M&M's deliveries to Lt. Col. Larrington (retd.) are in plastic 2-pint wossnames. My own milk consumption is low enough that a pint does me a week, but Mr Sainsbury's House Of Toothy Comestibles hasn't had pints since the Coronalurgi started and I end up pouring a pint of moo juice down the sink every week >:(
You know, I don't remember the last time I bought an actual BRITISH pint of milk...
For those of you who still get glass bottles delivered, are the bottles still pints or have they been metricalised as well?
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They are 568ml (or a pint in old-fashioned parlance).
Plastic supermarket milk comes in pints unless it's fancy or lacto-free doesn't it?
I'm sure my Sainsbury's plastic semi-skimmed, delivered today, was 2 pints.
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I think they’re still pints but it isn’t printed on the outside.
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I was going to say the same as Helly. Sainsboghorror's plastic bottles of milk are in pints. OTOH Bruton Dairy and Chew Valley from local shops here are in litres. Thus clearly proving that Somerset dairy farmers are more modernly metricationised than stupormarkets.
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Plastic supermarket milk comes in pints unless it's fancy or lacto-free doesn't it?
You know, I just assumed it was all sold in (whole) litres these days, but I never really pay that close attention. I checked the flagon in the fridge, which I took to be 2L, and it is labelled as "2.272L (4 pints)" - which seems like the kind of compromise that is designed to make no one happy.
We buy our milk from Aldi, so I'm slightly surprised.
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I think the glass bottles are embossed with 568ml above the base.
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I wonder if it's down to the relative power of purchaser and supplier? A supermarket can say, "Bottle maker, please make us bottles in pints" whereas a smaller dairy has to take the standard sizes. Or it might be a different judgment of the mindset of the milk consumers (that supermarkets expect their customers to be pint-minded). But as the volume is usually marked on the label not the bottle (for plastic bottles) it could also be the same bottles filled to a different amount.
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Mr Sainsbury's House Of Toothy Comestibles solved my "pouring milk down the sink" problem yesterday by having NO. FRESH. MILK. AT. ALL! >:(
Apart from a handful of bottles of unhomogenised Jersey milk which is foulness personified in tea. I ended up with some "probiotic" semi-skilled stuff at twice the price of standard cow jus which – thankfully – does the job acceptably in my cuppa.
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I think it's only milk in returnable containers and draught beer which are permitted to be sold as pint units. Seems a bit silly, when you can sell whatever quantity you want but it probably made someone happy. I expect the supermarkets just kept it for the sake of comparison, though I doubt many people make it or even realise.
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The best solution to this non-existent problem would be for the government to officially redefine the pint as a metric unit (nicely rounded to 500ml). That would properly wind up the gammonariat.
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The best solution to this non-existent problem would be for the government to officially redefine the pint as a metric unit (nicely rounded to 500ml). That would properly wind up the gammonariat.
Or simply redefine 500 ml as the 'German pint' and mandate the serving thereof.
I picture the scene at the end of Kingsmen, where all the heads explode.
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I think it's only milk in returnable containers and draught beer which are permitted to be sold as pint units.
The bottle of M&S Organic semi-skinned in my kühlschrank says "4 pints" on it in the same size font as litres.
It does say it second, because national humiliation etc.
I've always assumed the companies that sell milk in two litre bottles do it so they can sell you 10% less milk for the same price.
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I think it's only milk in returnable containers and draught beer which are permitted to be sold as pint units.
The bottle of M&S Organic semi-skinned in my kühlschrank says "4 pints" on it in the same size font as litres.
Yes, all very silly, but here's the law
https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law
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I think redefining bottle sizes and scrapping existing reusable glass bottles would be the end of doorstep milk delivery.
I believe the average glass bottle is used 25 times. With about a week's turnaround time it will last half a year.
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If I've understood that summary of the law correctly, it would merely require the bottles to be labelled 568ml rather than 1 pint. If Helly's projection of the average life of a glass milk bottle is correct, it wouldn't be too much of a disruption to do this. Or even to start using 500ml (or 1 litre or whatever) bottles. However, I can't see any of this happening. Is anyone even asking for it?
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Jam still comes in 454g jars as well. One day I really am going to find a jar which only contains 453g, and complain to customer services.
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Yeah, that's a weird one. I've just looked at the jars of jam and honey in our cupboard and they are all labelled 454g (well not all, a few are smaller) with no mention of 1lb. I guess it's just a continuation of the jar size that was available? Possibly counterintuitively, the Polish brand of jam from the polskish sklep is the only thing marked in imperial: 280g / 9.9oz. So even that's not a particularly round number.
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Yes, that's right. But convention (at least in science) means that 454g is an assertion that there will be between 453.50 and 454.49g in the jar, so it's pretty precise - they need to get the amount of jam right to within about 0.1%, if I'm not to arrive at customer services complaining. By contrast, 1lb could mean anywhere vaguely near, and even within 10% would be hard to argue against. (All this assumes that they get it right on average of course.)
Pretty obviously, none of the marketing guys would stand for doing the obvious thing, and reducing the claimed accuracy by marking the jar 450g, because then the competition would appear to be offering an extra 4g per jar. Even though it gives the production team a massive headache getting the amounts that accurate :P ;D
Of course, they probably avoid all this by erring on the slightly generous side anyway. Maybe ;D
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Did it for a while but (a) was difficult to exactly match supply and demand (b) was twice the price and (c) the diesel milkfloat woke me up at 4am.
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Supply and demand is the point of the milk crate with an indicator of course. It has taken effort to train our milkman to respond to that and not just deliver a standard amount regardless of what we need. Even now I'm not sure he manages it. It's worse if someone's covering while he's on holiday.
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I guess it's just a continuation of the jar size that was available?
Could well be that - I mean, it's not quite 50 years since we went metric, got to give people a chance to adapt...
By contrast, 1lb could mean anywhere vaguely near
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Not legally it couldn't.
Pretty obviously, none of the marketing guys would stand for doing the obvious thing, and reducing the claimed accuracy by marking the jar 450g
Not entirely sure if you're being serious here...
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The emoticons were an attempt to answer that question. But it's pretty dumb that the commonsense approach of marking jars as 450g is (presumably) prevented by marketing considerations.
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The emoticons were an attempt to answer that question.
Good, I suspected as much. Just me being a bit dense this morning!
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I guess it's just a continuation of the jar size that was available?
Could well be that - I mean, it's not quite 50 years since we went metric, got to give people a chance to adapt...
It's 100 years or more for Poland and they're still using 280 rather than 250 or 300. I need to find some French/German/etc stuff now and see what they do. Or for that matter USA or Liberia.
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It's 100 years or more for Poland and they're still using 280 rather than 250 or 300.
Maybe just because it's a nice amount of jam? Similarly, a pint of beer is a nice serving. A 500ml bottle of beer always feels a few mouthfuls short of the right amount, which is why you end up needing to open a second bottle, and then you're in trouble...
I guess the point is that using metric measurements doesn't have to mean rounding up or down to 100s or 50s. Even if milk and beer are still sold as pints, that's only on a superficial marketing level - for legal purposes, the containers are surely defined in ml.
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Even if milk and beer are still sold as pints, that's only on a superficial marketing level - for legal purposes, the containers are surely defined in ml.
Dunno. The legal stuff linked to upthread rather implied that milk and beer were exceptions and for them, the containers were indeed defined in pints. But it was only a "how to apply the law" rather than the law itself.
The bigger thing about 280g is that it does seem to be a size used in various countries including here, so there's something about it but I don't know what.
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I think the legal definition of a pint is now 568ml, and not by reference to any other standard.
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I think the legal definition of a pint is now 568ml, and not by reference to any other standard.
Exactly.
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I think the legal definition of a pint is now 568ml, and not by reference to any other standard.
Exactly.
Except for milk in returnable containers and draught beer, see earlier link.
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I think the legal definition of a pint is now 568ml, and not by reference to any other standard.
Exactly.
Except for milk in returnable containers and draught beer, see earlier link.
But the question is how do you define a pint?
In fact, SteveC is only partially correct - a pint is defined as 1/8 of a gallon, but a gallon is defined as 4.54609 litres.
(Until 1976 a gallon was defined as the volume of 10lb of water at 62F.)
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My milk has not been delivered today.
I received an email timestamped 08.34 explaining this and another, stating I'd get a refund.
There's a REASON I always have (Mr Sainsbury's cheap plastic-bottled) milk in my freezer…
I'll probably cancel all deliveries around Christmas again.
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Around here people used to put a plastic bucket out, with one clothes-peg on the rim for every litre they wanted. The milk wasn't just poured into the bucket, it was in plastic blebs like Tetrapaks. "Used to" because at some point in the last 20 years they stopped doing it.
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My milk has not been delivered today.
I received an email timestamped 08.34 explaining this and another, stating I'd get a refund.
There's a REASON I always have (Mr Sainsbury's cheap plastic-bottled) milk in my freezer…
I'll probably cancel all deliveries around Christmas again.
8 weeks on: another cancelled delivery.
Friday receive an email advising me that New! Shiny! technology milkandmore is introducing might delay my next delivery.
Decided to get a 2 pint milk carton out of the freezer when milk hadn't appeared before we went to bed, as we keep silly hours.
Wake up to email cancelling delivery today due to 'unforeseen circumstances' + another email advising me of refund.
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Milk'n'More advised Lt. Col. Larrington (retd.) that his payment this week would be going to not the usual recipient, but since he can read neither e-mails nor bank statements these days I doubt he cares.
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Milk'n'More advised Lt. Col. Larrington (retd.) that his payment this week would be going to not the usual recipient, but since he can read neither e-mails nor bank statements these days I doubt he cares.
I had a similar email last week.
I didn't think to look at my bank statement, despite usually visiting my bank's website about four times per week.
It somewhat defeats the object of doorstep deliveries if the only way to be sure of a constant. reliable milk supply is to keep a freezer stocked with Sainsbury's plastic cows.
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D spoke to the milkman when he met him as he returned from the gym at dark o'clock today.
Apparently the dairy had changed his round and his electric van/float battery went flat.
I didn't realise they used electric vehicles. I knew they did in Days of Yore.
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We have had the milk man knocking on our door twice, in the last few months trying to sell their service. Looking at the back steps around here when out walkies. This door knocking have clearly helped their business.
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Milkman has delivered my 'distress purchase' of two loaves of bread and three pints of milk for the weekend.
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I *should* get 3 pints of semi-skilled milk every Friday.
I have received 2 pints of organic full-cream. I don't think this has been homogenised, as it seems impossible to pour.
I'm a pint short for the weekend but have reserves in the freezer.
I don't bother to phone about matters costing less than £5.
Creamy milk will make nice spud mash.
Milkman is failing to deliver full order or respond to a cancelled order approximately monthly.
I note milkandmore are pushing this organic milk...
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Used said whole, unhomogenised milk in my breakfast coffee, which cooled a while.
It developed a skin.
I'd forgotten about skin on milky drinks!
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Price has snuck up to £1.12 per pint for cheapest milk.
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Price has snuck up to £1.12 per pint for cheapest milk.
Wow! I grumbled when proper glass bottled milk went up from 69p to 79p here recently.
OK. Non delivered.
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Still 80p for Grahams and 89p for Mr Sainsbury's own-brand here. How does that work, eh ???
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Dunno.
I supplement my doorstep with 2 pint Sainsbury's at £1.25 a throw. Rather more milk for the money.
Have cancelled milkman for a fortnight over the Festive Season. We'll be away some of the time and there are several days without delivery. I can't easily freeze milk in glass bottles and M&M have failed to supply all ordered milk in previous years, so I'll stock & freeze, defrosting as needed.
Getting 4 pint bottles will make this MUCH cheaper!
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I bought some milk from Tescos earlier. Which was annoying cos it was £1.90/litre. You could buy diseasel for that.
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An alternative scenario for Mad Max.
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Doorstep milk is now £1.19 per pint.
Sainsbury's is £1.30 for two pints or £1.65 for 4 pint plastic bucket.
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Around here people used to put a plastic bucket out, with one clothes-peg on the rim for every litre they wanted. The milk wasn't just poured into the bucket, it was in plastic blebs like Tetrapaks. "Used to" because at some point in the last 20 years they stopped doing it.
I remember, way back in the '70s, hearing someone say 'Strange people, the English. They have milk in paper bags.'
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Bagged milk appears to be a Canadian thing. I'm still not sure how it works on a practical level.
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Something to do with the Canuckistanis going metric, I believe. They didn’t fancy all the faff and expense of retooling production lines to make metric containers. I'm failing to remember what I did for milk in those parts, though it didn’t involve bags. I suspect small bottles of moo juice are available at a premium price.
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Oz had a brief period in my youth of floppy plastic bags that had to be supported in a rigid plastic holder before you could pour them without spilling.
We currently survive on milkman glass bottles. HK has discovered that the milkman will deliver all sorts of things from fair trade/ organic coffee beans and compost to washing up liquid. The small stuff pretty much all comes in bottles or jars that gets taken away by the milkman for refilling.
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The plastic bag/sachet and a special plastic holder/jug were the thing in about 1983 when I lived in N Essex - the advantage of the bag was that you could freeze them to keep a few in the freezer for emergency stock. Downside was that the open corner of the bag in the holder meant that without a seal the milk could be tainted by other stuff in the fridge. IIRC it was a fairly short-lived idea and ceased just about the time I moved to Gloucestershire in 1986.
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Still 80p for Grahams and 89p for Mr Sainsbury's own-brand here. How does that work, eh ???
It's that inferior stuff from North of the Border of course it's going to be cheaper...
Up here Tesco do a pint of their own brand for 95p or 1.30 for 1.13l, Grahams is £1.05 for a litre in Tesco.
Less delivery mileage?
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Down here there are an increasing number of self-service or served milk into your own bottles. Living at one end of the town it's easy for us to walk down and fill our bottles from either of two facilities - our butcher fills bottles from a dispenser behind the counter; further down the road a self-service place for milk, milkshakes & coffee (+ attached launderette) is open from 0600 to 2300. Both are supplied by local farms. Cost is £1.30 or £1.60 respectively.
Edit: per litre, that is.
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Today in Mr Sainsbury’s House of Toothy Comestibles in
sunny windy E4:
Grahams: 80p/1 pint Tetrapak
Own-brand: 95p/1 pint plastic wossname
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The plastic bag/sachet and a special plastic holder/jug were the thing in about 1983 when I lived in N Essex - the advantage of the bag was that you could freeze them to keep a few in the freezer for emergency stock. Downside was that the open corner of the bag in the holder meant that without a seal the milk could be tainted by other stuff in the fridge. IIRC it was a fairly short-lived idea and ceased just about the time I moved to Gloucestershire in 1986.
That roughly matches my memories.
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Down here there are an increasing number of self-service or served milk into your own bottles. Living at one end of the town it's easy for us to walk down and fill our bottles from either of two facilities - our butcher fills bottles from a dispenser behind the counter; further down the road a self-service place for milk, milkshakes & coffee (+ attached launderette) is open from 0600 to 2300. Both are supplied by local farms. Cost is £1.30 or £1.60 respectively.
Edit: per litre, that is.
Is that cows' milk or oat milk? We can do it for the latter here, but we use the former. We do have a good shop where you can buy pasta and other staples, and use your own containers.
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Down here there are an increasing number of self-service or served milk into your own bottles. Living at one end of the town it's easy for us to walk down and fill our bottles from either of two facilities - our butcher fills bottles from a dispenser behind the counter; further down the road a self-service place for milk, milkshakes & coffee (+ attached launderette) is open from 0600 to 2300. Both are supplied by local farms. Cost is £1.30 or £1.60 respectively.
Edit: per litre, that is.
Is that cows' milk or oat milk? We can do it for the latter here, but we use the former. We do have a good shop where you can buy pasta and other staples, and use your own containers.
Just cows' milk.
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milkandmore have just emailed me to state they will be delivering this coming Bank Holiday Monday, unlike the previous four Bank Holidays.
I suspect replacing Monday's milk with extra pints of stale, overpriced milk in glass bottles, on the preceding Friday, didn't improve sales.
I cancelled a week's deliveries whenever there was no Monday delivery. I don't have the fridge space for more glass bottles & can't freeze this either.
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Doorstep milk is now £1.19 per pint.
Sainsbury's is £1.30 for two pints or £1.65 for 4 pint plastic bucket.
milkandmore have just upped the price to £1.25 per pint, having dropped it to £1.15 over the summer.
Sainsbury's is currently 90p for a single pint, £1.20 for two pints and £1.45 for 4 pints.
Will again drop deliveries for Christmas, New Year and the interim, as they won't deliver on the Bank Holidays and extra, stale milk, in glass bottles doesn't keep well.
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I have no idea how much we pay for our milk deliveries.
But we do get it delivered by a local firm.
There are two larger firms who keep trying to poach their business away - Milk and More - and I forget the name of the other.
Both have visited several times. Both pushy and don't really take no for an answer.
I recommend the local firm whenever I can.
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A local firm has also been pushy on the doorstep.
Much of the reason I persist with milkandmore is that they ALWAYS have compost for the garden, which is useful for this car-free household.
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I'm wondering about my milkman's sanity and numeracy.
I get three deliveries per week and have paused deliveries for a fortnight as of tomorrow. I can't store HUGE numbers of bottles of stale milk in my fridge.
All three deliveries this week have been wrong...
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And he’s delivered another 3 bottles today, Wednesday, which is my normal Wednesday delivery.
I’m supposed to have paused deliveries. I’m home at he moment but we’re off to Christchurch next week.
I REALLY don’t want bottles left on the doorstep while I’m away!
I’ll try to phone them during the day.
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Helly are you sure you paused/cancelled. Milk and more app really isn't very intuitive and on several occasions either t'wife or t'myself have either added milk or just failed to cancel when trying to cancel
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I am sure and the person at Customer Services confirmed my deliveries had been paused and I would not be charged for milk delivered in error.
We were only in London on Wednesday 3 January because the weather & cancelled trains caused us to return home from Waterloo Station.
I had received an email, confirming paused deliveries.
I don’t run a smartphone and only access milkandmore from my laptop, where things are pretty clear.
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No milk delivered today.
Of the last 5 Wednesdays, only one has has the correct amount of milk delivered.
I’m getting fed up!
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We got a letter with our milk delivery today. Our milkman is retiring. He has sold the business to another family so we will still get deliveries thank goodness.
We have used him for 28 years (ever since we moved to this village) and in all that time I think he has missed a delivery once. Floods, storms, snow nothing stopped him. Milk always on the doorstep by 8:00am.
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mcqueens turned up in my doorstep the other week.
so I've got oato coming twice a week, problem is I need slightly more than 2 bottles but not 3 bottles.
it is better than Tesco own and similar cost oatly from Tesco.
I could get oatly from them but I may as well get that in long life version from Tesco.
I'm not yet tempted to switch back but do have a few cartons needing used up in the cupboard.
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