Author Topic: Southend Cycle Town - part 2  (Read 237314 times)

FatBloke

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1175 on: 06 February, 2013, 01:40:43 pm »
This area is "shared space". post corrected.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1176 on: 07 February, 2013, 05:26:33 pm »
Strange that all the comments have been removed from this page.  ::-)

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/10205030.Shared_space_not_responsible_for_cyclist_collision/

Is it because they were mostly negative about Cox and the Tory "this is/isn't/maybe/could be shared space except for the pavement where the incident happened line comments?

The blue signs, one west of the Pier and the other near the Kursaal have "Share Space" written on them. Why not Shared Space?

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1177 on: 08 February, 2013, 08:39:24 am »
The blue signs, one west of the Pier and the other near the Kursaal have "Share Space" written on them. Why not Shared Space?

Because it is a blue sign giving an instruction, and the instruction is to "Share Space", if it was warning of "Shared Space" it would be on a triangular warning sign.   :smug:
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1178 on: 10 February, 2013, 10:23:42 am »
Email to Cllr Cox

A few years ago I sat on the council’s Cycle Forum and one of the road schemes that was discussed at length was the City Beach project and in particular the provision for cycling along Marine Parade (seeing as the project was part-funded by Cycling England). This area was always designed to be designated as “shared space” where motorists, cyclists and pedestrians would have equal rights of way. A few of us on the forum had serious concerns regarding this shared space but that is beside the point.

The plans I have show the entirety of Marine Parade being designated as shared space and indeed that is reflected in the road signage that has been put in place.

The problem I have is that following the terrible accident that occurred on the evening of 1st February when a cyclist collided with a young girl, you were quoted in the Echo on 6th February as saying that ““..it did not happen because it was within the shared space area because cyclists should not be on the pavement regardless.”.

The plans that were presented at the Cycle Forum show that the pavement area on both sides of the road are shared space, and therefore cyclists ARE permitted to ride on the pavement. Perhaps this has changed.

Could you please clarify for me the status of Marine Parade as regards cycling as I cycle along there twice a day to commute to work and I would like to remain within the law whilst doing so.

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1179 on: 10 February, 2013, 04:48:46 pm »
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Whilst that area of Marine Parade is shared space, the footpath outside the amusements and Chinnery's  has always been designated for pedestrians where the seafront side is dual purpose for both cyclists and pedestrians. Once full details have been released by the police, officers will naturally look to see if there are any highway implications as a result.

Cllr Cox blog site

http://shoeburyblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/all-about-seafront-this-week.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1180 on: 10 February, 2013, 09:14:42 pm »
Posted the following in the comments. Doubt the fat sack of lard will have the guts to let it pass moderation though:

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At no time since it was built has Southend Council stated that the arcade side of City Beach was pedestrians only.

 The public have been led to believe, right from the beginning, that the entire City Beach from the pier to the Kursaal was 'shared space'.

There are NO signs saying the arcade side is pedestrians only. In fact it is quite clearly NOT pedestrians only because there are always cars parked on that side of the road. So it is clear that it is permitted for motor vehicles to be driven on that piece of pavement, and if cars can be driven there then bicycles can be cycled there.


It seems to me that Cllr Cox, in now saying that pavement is NOT part of the shared space is trying to remove blame from the council for such an appalling implementation of 'shared space', which the council are now saying is not 'shared space' at all.

I now wait to see if Cllr Cox will have the courage to permit this comment to appear.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1182 on: 09 May, 2013, 01:12:53 pm »
The whole thing is a farce.    The "shared space" isn't working as pedestrians can't cross the road to get from one pavement to another (a statement in itself proving the issue!).    A cyclist/pedestrian collision occurred a short time ago and the council's statement was that the cyclist was on the pavement where they shouldn't have been.

They've now had to put in crossings, but seemingly abandoned putting them in because of utility works too close to the surface, but not noticed when they had the whole road dug up?

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/10401126.Work_abandoned_on_seafront_crossings/?cmpid=cmt

http://www.thisistotalessex.co.uk/Teenage-pedestrian-fighting-life-collision/story-18041440-detail/story.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1183 on: 06 June, 2013, 02:27:24 pm »
SBC have cured the "cars parking on the bike path/lane/route" at the Garrison...

by moving the cycle path/lane to the side of the road it should have been in the first place!  :facepalm:

They have kept the gravel trap though...

...which, as you can see, is largely ignored and people ride on the grass at the side.  :thumbsup:

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1184 on: 06 June, 2013, 04:19:44 pm »
Isn't that estate privately owned, Garrison Park or what ever its called. Not sure if the council is responsible.  ???

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1185 on: 14 June, 2013, 11:19:28 pm »
Something to file under " you couldn't make it up!"  :facepalm:
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/10481767.We_must_ban_cycling_on_seafront/?ref=mr

ETA: The comments, not too negative, some of them, say that this section is not shared but the signs say different.
Here's a pic of the other side of the pier to where the incident happened. Note the shared path sign.


A closer shot that is more under the Pier, again the shared path sign on the blue column. On the grey pole you can see a silver band, just above the yellow, ride on, car, upon which is the shared path sign when travelling towards camera position.


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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1187 on: 25 June, 2013, 06:03:48 pm »
I have cycled there ones or twice now and only ones has it been somewhat busy. Since the UK are not used to cyclist, shared paths etc this place is just asking for it. Pinch point, tonnes of people "about on foot only thinking about the roller coasters the are going to try to keep their ice cream and candy floss in them on" along with cyclist who do not slow down.

A better layout might help, bigger signs might too, though I doubt it. I think it will only be years that will help, people needs to become used to that there are cyclist cycling about - Amsterdam and Copenhagen are good examples.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1188 on: 20 July, 2013, 05:28:48 pm »
I always took care while riding near this section but who in their right mind puts a blue sign on a blue wall. I didn't enjoy the cycle path from there to chalkwell because of the cars parked on the side of the track so only ride the other way to shoebury as its wide enough to enjoy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1189 on: 01 September, 2013, 08:29:04 pm »
Another classic today with a car parked in the cycle lane, forcing me into the road and then he didnt take to kindly on me being in HIS road.....

Video evidence:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSZuMRYL0U

Question is should I pass this onto council/casino/police to highlight the common abuse of cars parking in the cycle lane? Obviously Highway code rule 140 states:

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8

http://www.highwaycode.info/rule/140

This is a designated lane, with solid white lines and double yellow lines..........dilemma?

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1190 on: 01 September, 2013, 08:34:55 pm »
You can't claim the moral high ground if you also act like a dick.  Sorry.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1191 on: 01 September, 2013, 08:46:50 pm »
In fairness along that stretch of road the near left side is pretty shabby, therefore to keep safe I needed to ride in primary ......  O:-)

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1192 on: 15 November, 2013, 04:36:56 pm »
Getting sick of the constant delivery vans parked in the Cycle Lane meaning either on the road (how dare I use that) or the pavement:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/67IeaMZCHE8&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/67IeaMZCHE8&rel=1</a>

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1193 on: 16 November, 2013, 10:19:16 am »
Where is the new cafe going to be built at Peter Pans? I read somewhere its going to be on 
a former public footpath. I keep thinking the shared use  path that goes under the pier.

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/10810201.Seafront_takeaway_gets_the_go_ahead/

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1194 on: 16 November, 2013, 10:26:22 pm »
SBC have cured the "cars parking on the bike path/lane/route" at the Garrison...

by moving the cycle path/lane to the side of the road it should have been in the first place!  :facepalm:

They have kept the gravel trap though...

...which, as you can see, is largely ignored and people ride on the grass at the side.  :thumbsup:

The gravel trap has gone and is now tarmac!
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1195 on: 17 November, 2013, 04:47:19 pm »
SBC have cured the "cars parking on the bike path/lane/route" at the Garrison...

by moving the cycle path/lane to the side of the road it should have been in the first place!  :facepalm:

They have kept the gravel trap though...

...which, as you can see, is largely ignored and people ride on the grass at the side.  :thumbsup:

The gravel trap has gone and is now tarmac!

Thanks for the heads up but are we allowed to cycle on that bit I always go slow when passing pedestrians anyway

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1196 on: 19 May, 2014, 07:13:26 am »
David Hembrow has won return flights from Groningen to Southend and is asking for suggestions on what to do once he gets here. I've made a couple and most of the suggestions seem to be negative, can't think why!
If you want to add your own then tweet away https://twitter.com/DavidHembrow.

He could go and despair view the new farcility that's appeared around Eastwood Rd. and Blenheim Chase, http://goo.gl/maps/fzPEv

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1197 on: 19 May, 2014, 11:45:11 am »
the new farcility that's appeared around Eastwood Rd. and Blenheim Chase, http://goo.gl/maps/fzPEv
And here it is in dodgy colour.


Starts at Fleming Ave.


Door zone  :facepalm:


Takes you to the footway.


The smoothest bit of it!


Needs a Keep Clear on far side of road.


Now on footway proper.


The start on the other side of the roundabout heading east.


Pothole that keeps getting filled and reappears shortly after.


On the roundabout is a ramp that goes into the Old Vienna Restaurant.


Already attracting FUD parkers!



More door zone action!


Barely wide enough to fit Bromton bars, which by my tape measure are 540mm! The lane currently stops where the car on the right hand lane is but there are some more markings on the road where, I think, the lane will continue.


Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1198 on: 19 May, 2014, 04:51:28 pm »
David Hembrow has won return flights from Groningen to Southend and is asking for suggestions on what to do once he gets here. I've made a couple and most of the suggestions seem to be negative, can't think why!
If you want to add your own then tweet away https://twitter.com/DavidHembrow.

He could go and despair view the new farcility that's appeared around Eastwood Rd. and Blenheim Chase, http://goo.gl/maps/fzPEv

Perhaps you can show him the Barling loop and Sutton Road, the seafront.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #1199 on: 19 May, 2014, 04:54:25 pm »
Perhaps you can show him the Barling loop and Sutton Road, the seafront.
Apparently he doesn't fly that short a distance.  :thumbsup: Although I'm sure he'd love the Barling loop but not so much Sutton Road or the seafront!