Author Topic: Giro d’Italia 2023 (Read 15619 times)

quixoticgeek · « **Reply #125 on:** 27 May, 2023, 04:50:22 pm »

Well fuck...

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andyoxon · « **Reply #126 on:** 27 May, 2023, 04:56:38 pm »

Haven't seen anyone else have a mechanical...

andyoxon · « **Reply #127 on:** 27 May, 2023, 04:58:29 pm »

Punishing...

andyoxon · « **Reply #128 on:** 27 May, 2023, 04:59:55 pm »

quixoticgeek · « **Reply #129 on:** 27 May, 2023, 05:00:59 pm »

(click to show/hide)

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Hot Flatus · « **Reply #130 on:** 27 May, 2023, 05:04:25 pm »

Quote from: Hot Flatus on 27 May, 2023, 12:56:55 pm

It'll go down to the wire I suspect

14 seconds.

Rog probably lost another 8 seconds on that mechanical.

quixoticgeek · « **Reply #131 on:** 27 May, 2023, 05:08:39 pm »

Who got KOM in the end ?

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Sergeant Pluck · « **Reply #132 on:** 27 May, 2023, 05:35:06 pm »

Gutted for Thomas

fd3 · « **Reply #133 on:** 27 May, 2023, 07:57:35 pm »

I thought he was classy

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I guess it's nice to lose by that much rather than a second or two - at least he smashed me.

Didn't see it coming.

Peter · « **Reply #134 on:** 27 May, 2023, 07:59:47 pm »

Yes, it's a shame.

But Thomas is 37, Roglic (only) 33 and I thought for a while that this shows just how hard these two are. And I also thought what this result says about the state of pro cycling, when you think who wasn't riding or didn't finish - including most of the young guns, Van der Poel, Evanepoel, Pogacar. Credit to Thomas and Roglic for making a good race of it but I was a little disappointed to think that (for me at any rate) this is the second most important race in the calendar, the worlds champs being a Classic, really and I would hope to have the world's best contesting it as they used to. I know there are all sorts of reasons (called money) but I don't like it.

Now it's time for our next hymn ...

Mrs Pingu · « **Reply #135 on:** 27 May, 2023, 10:54:40 pm »

Pingu · « **Reply #136 on:** 27 May, 2023, 11:19:40 pm »

Quote from: Hot Flatus on 27 May, 2023, 05:04:25 pm

Quote from: Hot Flatus on 27 May, 2023, 12:56:55 pm
It'll go down to the wire I suspect

14 seconds.

Rog probably lost another 8 seconds on that mechanical.

And Thomas lost ~5 seconds on the magic hat swap.

andyoxon · « **Reply #137 on:** 28 May, 2023, 05:34:35 pm »

. Wow!

Socks · « **Reply #138 on:** 28 May, 2023, 05:45:28 pm »

What a Fan bloody Tastic finish! (And thank you G)

hatler · « **Reply #139 on:** 28 May, 2023, 08:36:08 pm »

And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

Snakehips · « **Reply #140 on:** 28 May, 2023, 08:40:30 pm »

Quote from: hatler on 28 May, 2023, 08:36:08 pm

And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

Everlasting kudos for that

TimC · « **Reply #141 on:** 29 May, 2023, 12:38:05 am »

Quote from: hatler on 28 May, 2023, 08:36:08 pm

And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

it was something of a conspiracy of Brits to get him to the point of the sprint, but the combination of a crash behind and an unwillingness of those left at the front to challenge Cav made it a bit of a false victory. Nevertheless the entire peloton enjoyed and celebrated Cav's win, and why should we take it away from him? It looked good, and it was in an historic place at an entirely appropriate time. Of course, it bumps up the expectations of the TdF even more, but the organisers and the spectators (including us) aren't going to object about that!

andyoxon · « **Reply #142 on:** 29 May, 2023, 10:04:38 am »

Quote from: TimC on 29 May, 2023, 12:38:05 am

Quote from: hatler on 28 May, 2023, 08:36:08 pm
And G helped lead Cav out for the finish today. Classy.

it was something of a conspiracy of Brits to get him to the point of the sprint, but the combination of a crash behind and an unwillingness of those left at the front to challenge Cav made it a bit of a false victory. Nevertheless the entire peloton enjoyed and celebrated Cav's win, and why should we take it away from him? It looked good, and it was in an historic place at an entirely appropriate time. Of course, it bumps up the expectations of the TdF even more, but the organisers and the spectators (including us) aren't going to object about that!

Ooh, controversial...

What's the evidence that the ~~crash effected the results, or that the~~ Giro sprinters gifted Cav the win for posterity?

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Peter · « **Reply #143 on:** 29 May, 2023, 10:07:37 am »

Probably the fact that he won?

Pingu · « **Reply #144 on:** 29 May, 2023, 10:24:41 am »

By a large margin.

andyoxon · « **Reply #145 on:** 29 May, 2023, 10:31:16 am »

I going with won fair & square anyway. The crash may have distracted Milan/others, but crashes are 'part & parcel'. Yes Geraint's lead out was helpful, but Cav was in a good position near the end, and some of the contenders prob launched a bit early. Can't see there's much in the way of evidence at all of a 'gift' to cav, in the final straight.

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rafletcher · « **Reply #146 on:** 29 May, 2023, 10:54:47 am »

I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature.

JonBuoy · « **Reply #147 on:** 29 May, 2023, 11:29:55 am »

Quote from: rafletcher on 29 May, 2023, 10:54:47 am

I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature.

...unless they are on the same team. Thinking particularly of Michael Mørkøv.

rafletcher · « **Reply #148 on:** 29 May, 2023, 01:10:13 pm »

Quote from: JonBuoy on 29 May, 2023, 11:29:55 am

Quote from: rafletcher on 29 May, 2023, 10:54:47 am
I just think it was good luck and happenstance he won. I just don’t see highly competitive riders gifting a stage/race to anyone, never mind a GT stage. It’s just not in their nature.

...unless they are on the same team. Thinking particularly of Michael Mørkøv.

Fair point, but I was commenting on this Giro, not racing in general. And in the case of lead-out riders like Morkov and others of that ilk, that’s their job for which they are handsomely rewarded, until such time as they try to be a leader themselves. Same goes for the super-domestiques.

sizbut · « **Reply #149 on:** 29 May, 2023, 03:04:27 pm »

Yeah, Cavendish getting a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 8th in Giro 2023 sprint stages was purely by some connivence of the rest of the peleton. Points are given for the first 15th finishers on a stage because you don't end up in the first 15 at the finish by accident. So for a former sprinter with no specialist lead-out train to do that, the only conclusion must be some form of put up job. How could anyone other than utter dupes believe that ability to actually sprint might come into it.