Author Topic: Training for Climbing  (Read 16705 times)

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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #25 on: 09 April, 2008, 09:23:43 am »
I did my hill climbing session yesterday, 5 times up a 2km hill. I'm not sure of the gradient, but I think its around 6-8%. It takes 6-7 minutes to climb and I do a liitle loop that takes a similar amount of time to descend. I keep my heart rate at the level I can sustain on a long climb, even though it's only short, that is up to threshold, which for me is around 85-88% MHR.

What I am saying is there is no better training for hill climbing than hill climbing. Even if you only have short climbs.

Chris S

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #26 on: 09 April, 2008, 09:39:42 am »
The nearest hills for me (such as they are) are near Castle Acre. It being Norfolk, they are neither long, nor steep; the steepest is probably about 6%, and the longest about 1km.

I make them harder to climb by riding them fast, or putting weight in my saddle bag, or riding a biggish gear on the fixed, or a combination of the above.

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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #27 on: 09 April, 2008, 01:38:26 pm »
No need to ride it fast, even if its just 1km, you go up it, straight back down and up it a few times and you're legs will still get the message. Try that in a big gear, and it'll do the job.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #28 on: 10 April, 2008, 06:58:47 am »
What will work best for improving my climbing ability?

Don't have many hills round here.  Got a turbo and access to a gym.  Got some hills to get up on the 11th May.


Other suggestions for local "hills" near cambridge: Moulton-Gazeley (the lane rather than the main road route) (about 0.5mile @ 6% - used for Hillclimbs) and Dalham-Denham (about 3%, but 1.5miles long and a very constant gradient).

The last one isn't steep, but it's a great indication of sustainable power/weight on club runs when it all gets a bit competitive.

There's also 0.5 mile of 7% between the little chef nr the a505 and Therfield up past the golf course near Royston.

Neil

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #29 on: 10 April, 2008, 07:45:05 am »
I'm escorting Maladict around 60k of the finest cambs / essex / herts hills on saturday morning.  I'll be taking bricks with me to fill his panniers to equalise the weight before we start :D

if anyone else fancies joining us..


Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #30 on: 10 April, 2008, 08:04:18 am »
Reprinted for the 3rd time I think!

Thanks Gonzo, very useful stuff, hadn't seen it before.

(I'd add "stop getting older", but that's not a possibility.)

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #31 on: 10 April, 2008, 11:24:49 am »
I'm escorting Maladict around 60k of the finest cambs / essex / herts hills on saturday morning.  I'll be taking bricks with me to fill his panniers to equalise the weight before we start :D

if anyone else fancies joining us..


I'd fancy that, but I'm having an easy day before my first open TT of the season (25mile) on Sunday. Expect sleet, low temperatures and gale force winds to kick in at 8am Sunday AM near Ugley ::-)

Neil

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #32 on: 10 April, 2008, 11:44:32 am »
I'm escorting Maladict around 60k of the finest cambs / essex / herts hills on saturday morning.  I'll be taking bricks with me to fill his panniers to equalise the weight before we start :D

if anyone else fancies joining us..


I'd fancy that, but I'm having an easy day before my first open TT of the season (25mile) on Sunday. Expect sleet, low temperatures and gale force winds to kick in at 8am Sunday AM near Ugley ::-)

Neil

phew.  You're a bit quick for us anyway... :D

good luck on Sunday, I may pootle down in that direction to laugh and point cheer you on.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #33 on: 10 April, 2008, 11:46:13 am »
I'm escorting Maladict around 60k of the finest cambs / essex / herts hills on saturday morning.  I'll be taking bricks with me to fill his panniers to equalise the weight before we start :D

No can do. Parents coming down for the weekend.

But I'd be interested in a GPX of the route you take as I need to get better at hills too (although I've got some bigger Surrey Hills not too far away from me).
"Yes please" said Squirrel "biscuits are our favourite things."

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #34 on: 10 April, 2008, 11:57:12 am »
Ditto on the route.  Although GPX is no good for me (unless one can import it into Bikeley?).

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #35 on: 10 April, 2008, 01:54:08 pm »
here you go folks - this is the plan. Will test-ride it this afternoon :)

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/hilly-60k-from-duxford

(it'd work well with a train to Audley End or Whittlesford, but if I was going to get a train to do hills I wouldnt head towards Cambridge!)

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #36 on: 10 April, 2008, 02:15:41 pm »

6) Never stand up*(see note)

*The only notable exceptions to this rule are i) stretching, ii) breaking away and iii) stopping falling off.

i) In this country, you shouldn’t need to stand to stretch on climbs at all, this is only really intended for climbs that are 2 or more miles long. Alpine ascents are a good example of when to do this.

iii) This is reserved for really steep climbs or moderate climbs with luggage. With a triple you should be able to manage anything (I will excuse people who go up Church Hill in Wales – 33%, not a typo and yes it can be done!), with a double, gradients of above 15% are worthy causes. I have been up a 20%er sitting down though, so it can be done.

If you are doing a particularly long hill, you can shift position to accentuate different muscle groups. Moving forwards in the saddle and pointing the toes down uses the calf muscles more, moving back in the saddle and cycling with the heel pointing slightly down (or a level foot) will use the quads more. Mentally you can also pick a point to reach that is achievable, get there and pick another point. Don't focus on the whole hill, just bits at a time. Makes it a lot easier psychologically.


Gonzo, you live somewhere flat!
Even my commute from the Vale of York to Leeds includes a 2km continuous climb (albeit a very gentle gradient).
There are loads of climbs in Yorkshire over a mile long.

On longer climbs, switching between sitting down and standing relieves some muscles. It also relieves the tedium of a long slow slog.

If not racing, I've found that gentle riding out of the saddle can be easier (ie, on the heart and lungs) that sitting down for steep gradients (over 20%). I think it is partly because it is easier to ride very slowly standing up.

For a long slog of a climb, try this one
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778277

6.7miles of continuous climbing, no letup. 1100ft of climbing. Not steep, just relentless.  That's a climb for sitting down and spinning. And patience. (I used to ride it every morning, on the way to the train. In winter, with a headwind, it reduced me to a weeping wreck)
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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #37 on: 10 April, 2008, 03:28:18 pm »
Where is your climb on York to Leeds Mr Charly ? Here is what I do each time I ride home from work

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778514

and descend in the morning.

Actually that is not totally accurate as it is in two parts, from the top it descend then rises again just after point 1 then descend again.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #38 on: 10 April, 2008, 03:35:32 pm »
Here is another of my favourites

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778533

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #39 on: 10 April, 2008, 03:44:15 pm »
A58 up through Scarcroft.

Most of it is so gentle as to not warrant being called 'uphill', but it is continuous for 2km.
Going up, I do 20-23kph. Going down, I freewheel at 40-50kph  ;D

This is the uphill bit, near as I can get it.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778557
<i>Marmite slave</i>

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #40 on: 10 April, 2008, 03:47:06 pm »
Here is another of my favourites

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778533

Phew! That's a slog.

I'm pretty crap at climbing these days, just nothing steep on my route, so I don't get that on-the-edge-of-anaerobic punch.
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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #41 on: 10 April, 2008, 03:57:16 pm »
Those are the sort of hills I prefer, not stupidly steep but long long drags. I suppose I prefer them as they are what I have 'trained' on so got quite good at them. Short steeps I can do so long as they are short but they hurt and are not fun.

The one you linked to here http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1778277 is I think known as Isle of Skye and if Noodley is reading this, you'll ride it on at least one of Don Blacks Perms in either direction.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #42 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:02:01 pm »
'Isle of Skye'? Is it named that because you end up in this vast empty space?

It's bl**dy bleak and cold in winter, I know that. I was dumb enough to ride it when the road was obscured by snow, and only the snowpoles prevented me from riding into a ditch.
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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #43 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:07:24 pm »
I think it is so called as there was a coach house/tavern up there called Isle of Skye. I think the ruined foundations are still visible. You've whetted my appetite for those roads again, I'll get up there this year since I shall not be doing much audaxing.

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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #44 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:13:09 pm »
This one is quite a slog I remember:

http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?id=205

In fact I think it took me nearly 3 hours.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #45 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:30:15 pm »
This one is quite a slog I remember:

http://ciclismo.sitiasp.it/altimetria.aspx?id=205

In fact I think it took me nearly 3 hours.

g!t

 :( I don't think I'll ever get to ride in the real mountains.
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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #46 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:31:59 pm »


:) :)
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Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #47 on: 10 April, 2008, 04:35:23 pm »
I climbed that one as far as Valloire where my hotel was, never been up that side of the Galibier though.  This was in my OL when I was more like Guido Bontempi than Frederico Bahamontes. I have climbed the Col du Galibier from the other side on several occasions though.

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #48 on: 10 April, 2008, 08:22:39 pm »
here you go folks - this is the plan. Will test-ride it this afternoon :)

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/hilly-60k-from-duxford

(it'd work well with a train to Audley End or Whittlesford, but if I was going to get a train to do hills I wouldnt head towards Cambridge!)

profile here: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/mikes99mail/profile.jpg

I might tweak it a bit to get nearer the 1000m climbing.   Lovely ride.

Chris S

Re: Training for Climbing
« Reply #49 on: 10 April, 2008, 09:59:07 pm »
here you go folks - this is the plan. Will test-ride it this afternoon :)

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/hilly-60k-from-duxford

(it'd work well with a train to Audley End or Whittlesford, but if I was going to get a train to do hills I wouldnt head towards Cambridge!)

profile here: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/mikes99mail/profile.jpg

I might tweak it a bit to get nearer the 1000m climbing.   Lovely ride.

S'not fair, I wanna come...  >:(

However, I'm entered for a DIY 300 starting at about 2:30am Sunday. A Hilly 60km on Saturday is probably not the best preparation.