New 100km Permanent event that should please the AAA brigade seeking hills because it goes over Wrynose and Hardknott passes in the Lake District
from Paul Revell:
La'al Lakeland 100 (100km AAA2.25) (ref PR01)
Control points at: Backbarrow / Kendal / Ambleside / Eskdale / Haverthwaite
Details on
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/
John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
... and the "Start: Google Map" link is over a hundred miles out!
New 100km Permanent event that should please the AAA brigade seeking hills because it goes over Wrynose and Hardknott passes in the Lake District
John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
John, this highlights one of the "issues" about perms on the AUK website. There is actually more detail about the event in your post than there is on the website. This is not a criticism of Paul's event (well, not his event specifically), but of the system that permits, encourages even, so little information about a ride.
Aha - I did not know about that quirk! OK, so it was a harsh criticism, but it does highlight that a list of controls (or similar) is even more critical for perms.... and the "Start: Google Map" link is over a hundred miles out!
That's because the start is linked to the organiser's address not the perm address. So all the Cambrian Series rides start from Basingstoke ;D ;D I asked about this but apparently it was too hard to fix.
New DIY Regional OrganiserJohn - these statements from your post appear contradictory at first sight (but probably aren't). Are you saying that we can continue to use ukcyclist.org.uk to enter DIYs as before, but that Tony rather than Ian will see these entries, and that completed brevet cards should now be sent to Tony (and new cards ordered from him)? Would it be appropriate to put Tony's postal address on this thread?
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ALL NEW DIY EVENT ENTRIES for south west region DIY organiser should be sent to Tony Hull
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You will also still be able to enter DIY events through the website www.ukcyclist.org.uk , which is maintained by Ian.
New DIY Regional OrganiserJohn - these statements from your post appear contradictory at first sight (but probably aren't). Are you saying that we can continue to use ukcyclist.org.uk to enter DIYs as before, but that Tony rather than Ian will see these entries, and that completed brevet cards should now be sent to Tony (and new cards ordered from him)? Would it be appropriate to put Tony's postal address on this thread?
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ALL NEW DIY EVENT ENTRIES for south west region DIY organiser should be sent to Tony Hull
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You will also still be able to enter DIY events through the website www.ukcyclist.org.uk , which is maintained by Ian.
If you have entered a DIY event through Rich Forrest please return your brevet card to him.
BUT no new DIY events may be entered with Rich
John Ward
Audax UK Permanents Sectretary
I want to take over the old Badby perms. How do I go about it?
I want to take over the old Badby perms. How do I go about it?
First of all you have to find and kill the current organiser, then inform J Ward Esq.New AUK Season - New Organisers
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Ross Bentley-Davies is no longer organising
(The Badby events and the Middle Road - the last of the Peter Coulson legacy of events are now withdrawn, having been superseded by DIY events)
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John Ward
Permanents Secretary Audax UK
www.cyclingnewforest.org
Totmonslow 208km 3AAA http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE05/
Totmonslow 208km 3AAA http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE05/
Would it be possible to start that perm from around Ashbourne way?
Good-oh. I assume all usual rules apply.
(e.g. anyone with the temerity to ask "what does EWE baaa mean?" - let alone ask "Whats an iddu?" will be forced to ride without a saddle.)
Good-oh. I assume all usual rules apply.
(e.g. anyone with the temerity to ask "what does EWE baaa mean?" - let alone ask "Whats an iddu?" will be forced to ride without a saddle.)
I'd always assumed "iddu" to be some clever pun in Welsh but Google tells me it's actually a tapas bar in South Kensington ;D
New 200km perm' from Broken Cross. The Hollies
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE06/
View route http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/jayp/TheHollies210km
New 200km perm' from Broken Cross. The Hollies
http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/JPE06/
View route http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/routes2/users/jayp/TheHollies210km
You can't mean ...
You do mean ...
Oh no.
Stop-off for many a university climbing club trip.
The only place I've ever known to have *two* CCTV cameras pointing at the till drawer - and none elsewhere.
Glory-holes in the bogs, and graffiti warning you to "Beware of the gay limbo dancer" - with an arrow for the hard-of-thinking, pointing to the gap under the cubicle door.
Staff who would roundly abuse some of our more, um, delicate members (FORRINS, y'see, not familiar with the rough etiquette of a BRITISH transport caff) for the crime of asking for a salad.
At least one staff member (I kid you not, I'm sure her name *was* Lil) who would come out from the kitchen, fag in mouth, and as her one concession to food safety, stub it out in the ashtray on the serving counter rather than let the ash fall into the frying trays.
Staff who nearly succumbed to apoplexy if you weren't fast enough in collecting your order ("Beans on two. ... Beans On Two ... I said BEANS on TWO! ... Ooo ordered beans on TWO!?!).
Hmm. I'm tempted to go back. A bit. It was *very* cheap.
These days it's a different story. New management and smart re-fit. Includes a bar area. Very Clean but still Cheap and Tasty. Excellent.
Starting from New Alresford in Hampshire, visit all EIGHT of the visible White Horses in Wiltshire. plus the Bronze Age original at Uffington which is (just) in Oxfordshire, and a gentle run back along the Avon & Itchen valleys
300 km Perm: Le Tour des Neufs Chevaux Blancs (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL03)
A slightly contrived route with rather too many controls if you are doing it with paper Proof-of-Passage but GPS validation is available
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/image2_zpsgsngfnwr.jpg)
Not possible to start from the northern point of the route? For those living north of Swindon saves petrol miles and a loop is a loop
Because 14.3 vs 15kph is at the organiser's discretion for a BR, and 'organiser's discretion' in this instance means 'Peter's whim'?So do you know the reason for Peter's whim?
Because 14.3 vs 15kph is at the organiser's discretion for a BR, and 'organiser's discretion' in this instance means 'Peter's whim'?So do you know the reason for Peter's whim?
(I've always found him to be a reasonable man in practical matters - and whimsical when appropriate :) )
[You may be surprised to learn that as a Perm organiser myself, I am aware of the regs on this matter.]
Not having a pop at the Org as he's acting entirely within the Rules, but this is another example of AUK operating in a manner that actively puts off and confuses newer and potential members.
Fair enough :thumbsup:
[You are unlikely to be surprised to learn that I was being a smart-arse.]
Not having a pop at the Org as he's acting entirely within the Rules, but this is another example of AUK operating in a manner that actively puts off and confuses newer and potential members.
O RLY?
I strongly suspect that the set of 'newer and potential members' who are i) interested in perms, ii) notice that there may be different minimum speeds and therefore time limits, iii) regard an explanation of 'it's at the organiser's discretion' as opaque, and iv) find this actively off-putting is, er, nil.
I am quite prepared to be convinced otherwise, but would rather that was through the medium of evidence rather than sniping.
IOW, citation needed.
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why 15kph, not 14.3?
What I hoped (still hope) to do is to ride both before and after a Calendar ride, mandatory routes, perhaps of different lengths so I could stack the "before" (I like early starts). Figuring out what the rules are re. cutoffs completely defeated me,
p.s. if Pete is still reading this thread:<snip>
why 15kph, not 14.3?
.... my perms, whilst they do have the odd bit of lumpiness, are nowhere hilly enough to justify AAA points, and I just can't see the additional time being needed.
With respect to BCM permanent, the outline of the route looks splendid (I am assuming it runs clockwise)... Is it possible to do it with GPS validation? (I do understand the risks involved in relying on an electronic device for a 600). Also, is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau? Seems to make sense in order to reduce the load on the bikeYour post has sparked my interest in doing this. Obviously your experiences this May have inspired you to revisit those roads. I have sketched out a RwGPS route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28456378 Note the 'direct' route back (via Hay) to Chepstow - links to your BCM comments in May.
With respect to BCM permanent, the outline of the route looks splendid (I am assuming it runs clockwise)... Is it possible to do it with GPS validation? (I do understand the risks involved in relying on an electronic device for a 600). Also, is it possible to start/finish in Dolgellau? Seems to make sense in order to reduce the load on the bikeYour post has sparked my interest in doing this. Obviously your experiences this May have inspired you to revisit those roads. I have sketched out a RwGPS route: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28456378 Note the 'direct' route back (via Hay) to Chepstow - links to your BCM comments in May.
On enquiry, Black Sheep has recently said: "The perm MR11 . . . route . . . controls used . . . (from a Chepstow depart/arrivee) are Usk, Rhayader, Borth, Barmouth, Caernarfon, Menai Bridge, Llanberis, Betws-y-coed, Dolgellau, Newtown, Llandrindod Wells, Hay-on-Wye, Monmouth.
The route can be ridden either direction." And he separately recognises/implies that riders can start from anywhere (as normal for a permanent - but from Devon, I would go from Chepstow). Why not ask Black Sheep directly - link on the AUK page: http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/MR11/
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.
For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.
For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)
I don't fully understand.
Assuming I validate with GPS, is it just the ferry at Gravesend (the town I grew up in, incidentally), that is absolutely time critical. ie, if shops and what not are shut at other controls is that a big cross in the validation box? Or can I just ride through and top up later on?
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.
For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)
One question that fellow perm organisers might be able to help me with: how do I add entries manually? The 'enter now' button is live on the web page, but there's no 'update start list' option on the organiser's page (only an 'edit' button, but the edit page has no link to the start list) so I can't see how to add postal entries - am I missing something obvious?
The London Orbiital Audax 300km is now available as a perm, including the St Albans Greenway section courtesy of Phil Whithurst.
For details see http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/ (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PST04/)
Interesting. Missed the calendar version but could start from Hildenborough on the perm. Might fit it in before the Winter comes.
One question that fellow perm organisers might be able to help me with: how do I add entries manually? The 'enter now' button is live on the web page, but there's no 'update start list' option on the organiser's page (only an 'edit' button, but the edit page has no link to the start list) so I can't see how to add postal entries - am I missing something obvious?
Traditionally Perms to be validated were returned to the Perms sec for review and processing which may be why you're not seeing the 'edit rider list' button. Time to make the case to be trusted with the magic button, but remember, 'with great power comes great responsibility'! 8)
Starting from New Alresford in Hampshire, visit all EIGHT of the visible White Horses in Wiltshire. plus the Bronze Age original at Uffington which is (just) in Oxfordshire, and a gentle run back along the Avon & Itchen valleys
300 km Perm: Le Tour des Neufs Chevaux Blancs (http://www.aukweb.net/perms/detail/PL03)
A slightly contrived route with rather too many controls if you are doing it with paper Proof-of-Passage but GPS validation is available
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt318/porkypete58/image2_zpsgsngfnwr.jpg)
Mac:The Pendle Witch Trial is. Look at routes from Lancaster. I need to speak with Phil about the others.
Are these on https://perms.audax.uk/ (https://perms.audax.uk/)
?
I'm not saying they're not! just that I didn't spot them when scanning the area for my upcoming Oop North trip ...