Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Topic started by: Polar Bear on 04 May, 2017, 03:07:40 pm
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I'm increasingly frustrated with our local Deliveroo riders. They are the epitome of all that is wrong with cyclists and that gets us a bad name. In the past week I have witnessed RLJ'ing, riding on the pavement and riding in a pedestrianised zone. two of these have almost hit me as a pedestrian.
I swear that I'm going to take out the next one that does something similar.
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I walk to work on a shared pavement/cycle lane. There is one bloke who every morning rides at speed (imo) too close
to pedestrians, who are only aware of him when he spooks us. Fortunately, I've discovered he works in the same
organisation as me and I know where he parks his bike.
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Yes. But thank goodness they have to some extent taken over from the Pizza2Go scooters and Domino's cars.
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Is fair to tar all Deliveroo riders with the same brush?
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I think this one is vulnerable to confirmation bias. Take any identifiable group with whom you've had direct or indirect negative experience (Deliveroo riders, black cabs, Audi drivers) and you become selectively attuned to noting further examples with the same group. It is something we often find applied to ourselves as "cyclists" by those who have antipathy towards people riding bikes.
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Don't we already have a Deliveroo thread?
There are some real numpty Deliveroo riders, agreed. Riding in distinctive livery does make us lump them all in together for the confirmation bias problem. We are likely to not notice the non-numpty Deliveroo riders.
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I know plenty of competent club cyclists who are of the student persuasion, who have worked Deliveroo to pay the bills.
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There are an awful lot of Deliverooers in Brighton & Hove. Most appear to be very competent cyclists. Some need to improve their road skills; some need to improve their bike maintenance.
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Darwinism applies to delivery/courier riders.
Eventually you are left with mostly competent ones.
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I think this one is vulnerable to confirmation bias. Take any identifiable group with whom you've had direct or indirect negative experience (Deliveroo riders, black cabs, Audi drivers) and you become selectively attuned to noting further examples with the same group. It is something we often find applied to ourselves as "cyclists" by those who have antipathy towards people riding bikes.
Surely you mean Subaru drivers (especially those the tea-tray thing on the boot)?
Rob
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Is fair to tar all Deliveroo riders with the same brush?
Perhaps not but every time I encounter one in Rugby they are behaving like an arse.
I think this one is vulnerable to confirmation bias. Take any identifiable group with whom you've had direct or indirect negative experience (Deliveroo riders, black cabs, Audi drivers) and you become selectively attuned to noting further examples with the same group. It is something we often find applied to ourselves as "cyclists" by those who have antipathy towards people riding bikes.
Yup. I cannot disagree with you. Guilty. :-[
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I think this one is vulnerable to confirmation bias. Take any identifiable group with whom you've had direct or indirect negative experience (Deliveroo riders, black cabs, Audi drivers) and you become selectively attuned to noting further examples with the same group. It is something we often find applied to ourselves as "cyclists" by those who have antipathy towards people riding bikes.
Surely you mean Subaru drivers (especially those the tea-tray thing on the boot)?
Rob
BMW drivers surely? Keep trying to turn me into hood ornaments, or perhaps they're trying to get close enough to nick the snacks out of my back pocket?
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one of the problems is that Deliveroo monitors the time that it takes you to collect the order and the time it takes you to deliver the order. You get an email of every delivery that you do and it analizes the times
so, you are pushed to ride fast, plus you try and squeeze in as many deliveries that you can per hour (I work on a £4 per delivery fee, so if I can do 3-4 deliveries per hour, the pay is pretty decent)
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
Wouldn't be surprised. Exactly the same motivation that means most motorised couriers are also knobheads in control (debatable I know) of a vehicle. Stupidly tight delivery windows and large numbers of deliveries to make and penalties for failing to meet stupidly ambitious targets set by a salaried bean counter in a nice comfortable office.
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People - knobheads (in vehicles).
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Is fair to tar all Deliveroo riders with the same brush?
Perhaps not but every time I encounter one in Rugby they are behaving like an arse.
I think this one is vulnerable to confirmation bias. Take any identifiable group with whom you've had direct or indirect negative experience (Deliveroo riders, black cabs, Audi drivers) and you become selectively attuned to noting further examples with the same group. It is something we often find applied to ourselves as "cyclists" by those who have antipathy towards people riding bikes.
Yup. I cannot disagree with you. Guilty. :-[
Three good posts.
Thread closed?
:)
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
no not really ... I'm nearly 60 years old now and am pretty mellow and don't like pain (smashed kneecaps and tar burn)
however, if I was a skint 20 year old student from a foreign country, working for Deliveroo so as to buy food and beers and impress the ladies, I would most probably ride like a Kamikazi pilot 8)
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
no not really ... I'm nearly 60 years old now and am pretty mellow and don't like pain (smashed kneecaps and tar burn)
however, if I was a skint 20 year old student from a foreign country, working for Deliveroo so as to buy food and beers and impress the ladies, I would most probably ride like a Kamikazi pilot 8)
Clearly not 'nearly 60' in your head ;)
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
Wouldn't be surprised. Exactly the same motivation that means most motorised couriers are also knobheads in control (debatable I know) of a vehicle. Stupidly tight delivery windows and large numbers of deliveries to make and penalties for failing to meet stupidly ambitious targets set by a salaried bean counter in a nice comfortable office.
I'd disagree - they know that any time they can't ride through broken bones or broken bike means no money, so they don't take unnecessary risks. Saving a few seconds here and there does not stack up well against a few days or weeks of no income at all. Barring a few knobheads, most motorbike couriers seem to be among the better two-wheelers on the roads. Similarly with cycle couriers, they are generally the ones waiting at the red lights while the commuters sail through, they know it's only a matter of time before they get a tug which may cost the whole afternoon's earnings. They also know they will gain more time by reading the road ahead than 30 seconds stopped at the lights.
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
Wouldn't be surprised. Exactly the same motivation that means most motorised couriers are also knobheads in control (debatable I know) of a vehicle. Stupidly tight delivery windows and large numbers of deliveries to make and penalties for failing to meet stupidly ambitious targets set by a salaried bean counter in a nice comfortable office.
I'd disagree - they know that any time they can't ride through broken bones or broken bike means no money, so they don't take unnecessary risks. Saving a few seconds here and there does not stack up well against a few days or weeks of no income at all. Barring a few knobheads, most motorbike couriers seem to be among the better two-wheelers on the roads. Similarly with cycle couriers, they are generally the ones waiting at the red lights while the commuters sail through, they know it's only a matter of time before they get a tug which may cost the whole afternoon's earnings. They also know they will gain more time by reading the road ahead than 30 seconds stopped at the lights.
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBeuK0ovASM&t=119s
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Oddly enough, when they came to Rugby I was very tempted to give it a go. I don't need to earn mega bucks but it could be fun riding around the town for a few hours in a day delivering food. The thing that really puts me off is that stupid great box on their back. I would prefer to use panniers and racktop bags.
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There are an awful lot of Deliverooers in Brighton & Hove. Most appear to be very competent cyclists. Some need to improve their road skills; some need to improve their bike maintenance.
This (I'm amazed that the work available can support so many), and their moped drivers seem roughly similar.
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Oddly enough, when they came to Rugby I was very tempted to give it a go. I don't need to earn mega bucks but it could be fun riding around the town for a few hours in a day delivering food. The thing that really puts me off is that stupid great box on their back. I would prefer to use panniers and racktop bags.
I think you can put the box on a rack. You'd need to unstrap it every time you delivered and collected, obviously, and you'd need pretty big straps to do so.
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Oddly enough, when they came to Rugby I was very tempted to give it a go. I don't need to earn mega bucks but it could be fun riding around the town for a few hours in a day delivering food. The thing that really puts me off is that stupid great box on their back. I would prefer to use panniers and racktop bags.
I think you can put the box on a rack. You'd need to unstrap it every time you delivered and collected, obviously, and you'd need pretty big straps to do so.
you have a choice when you sign up .... either a backpack or a box .... if you want the box, they will fit it onto your rack for free ( you have to have a rack on your bike):
(https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/7JIAAOSwZVlXi2-G/$_86.JPG)
it's big but has been designed to carry several large pizzas... problem is, if you have more than 1 bike, and the 'deliveroo bike' is not working/broken, you cannot work, whereas with the backpack, you can jump onto any bike and earn cash
the backpack is very light and is not a problem to cycle with .... I've yet to get a pizza delivery in Cambridge .... all my jobs have been small sized orders....
you are issued with a smaller bag that fits into the big bag which keeps the food warm/ warmer
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Today, in York:
Bunbury overtakes Deliveroo rider (D had just turned into the road, so not surprising)
Deliveroo rider overtakes Bunbury
Deliveroo rider suddenly swerves right, with a Bunbury on his tail and slightly to the right of him in the road
Bunbury slams on brakes, screaming "INDICATE, FUCKHEAD!!"
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To relieve the stress, here's a pic of our Deliverooist not being a knob-head:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4257/35058207092_4af4022b9b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VpYtyq)
burghead1 (https://flic.kr/p/VpYtyq) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr
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Is Uber Eats basically Deliveroo with a less interesting name? I followed a rider for some distance earlier, and no knobhead behaviour was observed.
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I've always presumed Uber Eats is a branch of Uber dedicated to transporting takeaways not people.
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I've seen riders with Deliveroo branded clothing & UberEats backpacks, so I'd guess there is some crossover between the two. People will sign up with both to double the chance of work.
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They exist as two separate entities but as the riders are 'self employed' they can work for both. According to my pal Ben NOTP it is difficult to be signed on to both companies at the same time. He should know, he's earning a ridiculous amount of money for riding his bike 11-12 hours a day...
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Some Deliveroo pillock just steered himself off the bike bit on the shared use path onto the pedestrian bit so that he could swerve at my cat who was sitting down having a think. He missed by a couple of inches.
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That's disgraceful: any cyclist who could miss something as big as a cat is a menace. Seriously, did Pete notice? Cats are frequently in a different dimension.
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I'm not sure!
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That's ma boy!
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Deliveroo do a *lot* of business where I live (Brixton) and some where I work (Croydon). Their cycle couriers in those areas seem to be well-behaved - just a bit lacking in lights.
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They exist as two separate entities but as the riders are 'self employed' they can work for both. According to my pal Ben NOTP it is difficult to be signed on to both companies at the same time. He should know, he's earning a ridiculous amount of money for riding his bike 11-12 hours a day...
But not any more. It would appear that if you are very successful then other people get jealous, invent 'complaints' and after a certain number 'Roo terminate your contract.
So a change of jersey to Uber . . .
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bear in mind, that many/most Deliveroo cyclists are young and are students ...
How does your son cycle when he cycles to College? .... ;)
does your son or daughter cycle whilst facebooking with their hands off their handlebars?
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In other words "do young people cycle like middle aged people drive?"
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In other words "do young people cycle like middle aged people drive?"
POTD
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I've been thinking*... Deliveroo riders should have to carry their cargo strapped to their stomachs, not on their backs.
* rarely a good sign.
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Junior did a ride up the local Big Hill ( the Cairn o'Mount ) this weekend, and he wore his deliveroo top!
At the summit, he was joking with other cyclists that he was just delivering a pizza to someone at the summit.
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So, would the financial incentive result in you pavement riding and red light jumping dim?
I think that I know the answer...
Wouldn't be surprised. Exactly the same motivation that means most motorised couriers are also knobheads in control (debatable I know) of a vehicle. Stupidly tight delivery windows and large numbers of deliveries to make and penalties for failing to meet stupidly ambitious targets set by a salaried bean counter in a nice comfortable office.
I'd disagree - they know that any time they can't ride through broken bones or broken bike means no money, so they don't take unnecessary risks. Saving a few seconds here and there does not stack up well against a few days or weeks of no income at all. Barring a few knobheads, most motorbike couriers seem to be among the better two-wheelers on the roads. Similarly with cycle couriers, they are generally the ones waiting at the red lights while the commuters sail through, they know it's only a matter of time before they get a tug which may cost the whole afternoon's earnings. They also know they will gain more time by reading the road ahead than 30 seconds stopped at the lights.
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBeuK0ovASM&t=119s
There's a pay phone in that.. The guy must be drawing his pension by now?
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The Deliveroo cyclists aren't brilliant, but not a lot worse than the average cyclist on the roads around London, including the presence (or lack thereof) of lights. The Deliveroo mopeds however, are about as bad as the cyclists, which is worse than the average P2W, and more of a threat when they're significantly heavier and faster than a pedal cycle.
Arguably a professional cyclist ought to be more competent than others, however that certainly isn't true of professional drivers of Private Hire Vehicles, who are definitely at the bottom of the list of competent road users.
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Junior did a ride up the local Big Hill ( the Cairn o'Mount ) this weekend, and he wore his deliveroo top!
At the summit, he was joking with other cyclists that he was just delivering a pizza to someone at the summit.
Blimey. Just looking at the tech, the vehicles and the adverts. That footage must be over twenty years old.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68558464
So subbing a job means they're not covered by Deliveroo's insurance, and that includes public liability.
I shan't be using them. I doubt Just Eat is any better.
*** Tasteless joke alert ***
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You beat me to it Mr. 'zilla.
Oddly I haven't visited this thread for a while but recently I have experienced two near misses from idiots on their electric scooters with a delivery pod on their backs. Different riders probably but nearly the same outcome. And then about a week ago I heard a crash whilst in the pedestrian area of our town centre. I turned to see a mess of rider, bike and delivery box. It looked like speedy had gone for a gap just too small between pedestrian and post. The post appeared to have won.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68558464
So subbing a job means they're not covered by Deliveroo's insurance, and that includes public liability.
I shan't be using them. I doubt Just Eat is any better.
*** Tasteless joke alert ***
Motorbike or motorscooter rider though, not a bicycle.
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I don't understand why Uber, Deliveroo and others are allowed to call their workers self-employed when it's all branded stuff they do. I think the 'employer' should take liability WHOEVER is doing the job, or insist the original contracted entity has suitable insurance.
Weird story tho. I mean the whole randomly biting the guy. Was there more to it? Doesn't seem to be any mitigation provided.
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Weird story tho. I mean the whole randomly biting the guy. Was there more to it? Doesn't seem to be any mitigation provided.
He raised his hand to Rocha's motorcycle helmet and she bit his thumb.
I suspect "raised his hand" is doing a lot of heavy lifting, or rather covering. Still a weird story!