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General Category => On The Road => Topic started by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 12:33:14 pm

Title: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 12:33:14 pm
One of our metro mayoral* candidates (and ex-MP) has just come up with this as a suggestion.
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An ambitious plan to take up space meant for cars in multi-storey car parks with space to lock bicycles will be one of the manifesto pledges of a metro mayor candidate.

As there is currently lots of unused space in the multi-storeys with many people still working from home, Stephen Williams said that “now would be a good time for a conversation” about switching over space from four wheels to two.

The former MP thinks that this could be free in council-owned car parks, with the likes of NCP perhaps levying a small fee for a lockable bike dock.
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/bike-parks-could-replace-cars-in-some-car-parks/

Personally, I wouldn't, for three reasons: security, convenience and aesthetics.
Theft of cars might be rare nowadays but theft from vehicles is very common. Car parks give thieves the time and cover to work uninterrupted.
Car parks are largely in the wrong places. I want to park near my destination, not in the place it was convenient to build something fifty years ago.
Multistorey car parks are the ugliest type of building ever devised. Furthermore, they stink of exhaust fumes, spilt oil and piss, with the added thrill of possibly finding needles in the stairwell.

Nevertheless, I think it's great that a politician is even talking about the need for cycle parking.

*Metro mayor is directly elected mayor of a region consisting of several unitary authorities. Need not be metrosexual!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 12:58:06 pm
Yes, if it was a convenient location for whatever I was visiting, which seems generally unlikely for shops and similar, but might be for a railway station.  Bike thieves work with impunity anyway, and at least it would be out of the rain.

Of course, a multistorey car park might be a cheap location to install some 'bike hub' style secure cycle parking, which becomes somewhat more attractive.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 07, 2020, 01:14:51 pm
Yes, if it was a convenient location for whatever I was visiting, which seems generally unlikely for shops and similar, but might be for a railway station.  Bike thieves work with impunity anyway, and at least it would be out of the rain.

Of course, a multistorey car park might be a cheap location to install some 'bike hub' style secure cycle parking, which becomes somewhat more attractive.

Dutch station parking these days tends to be big multi story affairs, but they are a) staffed, b) very well lit and designed for it.

The concrete monstrosity that is the modern multi story carpark is somewhere I would try to avoid at all costs, especially if alone.

Part of the joy of cycling to somewhere is that you can park very close. If I goto the shops with a city bike, I'll park it outside each shop I goto, then move onto the next. When people take the carparking idea and apply it to cycle parking you end up with parking installed that noone uses because it's in the wrong place, and just badly designed. It always made me laugh that Canterbury had some bike parking that you couldn't actually cycle to.

For cycling to work, and not just the shops, then the standard for cycle parking can be judged more simply:

Would you lock your handbag/backpack with your phone, and/or laptop there?

if the answer to the above is no, it's not somewhere I am willing to store my bike.

J
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:16:15 pm
Of course, a multistorey car park might be a cheap location to install some 'bike hub' style secure cycle parking, which becomes somewhat more attractive.
He uses the phrase "lockable bike dock" which sounds like it's taken straight from hire schemes but is unspecific. I agree a locker-style "cupboard" would be more attractive for long term parking, as well as worth many commuters paying for.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: grams on September 07, 2020, 01:27:31 pm
Yes, if it was a convenient location for whatever I was visiting, which seems generally unlikely for shops and similar

One of the few bits of infrastructure councils and capitalism did a decent job at providing in the 20th century is massive multistoreys bang in the middle of every town. If you're doing the version of shopping that involves walking around on your own two feet then I can see it being viable... if they made them secure and easy to find and pleasant and well maintained, which you know they're not going to.

Though there are a few that exist already. I've left my bike in one in Cambridge town centre and some of the NCPs in Soho have fenced off bike areas.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 01:29:13 pm
Of course, a multistorey car park might be a cheap location to install some 'bike hub' style secure cycle parking, which becomes somewhat more attractive.
He uses the phrase "lockable bike dock" which sounds like it's taken straight from hire schemes but is unspecific. I agree a locker-style "cupboard" would be more attractive for long term parking, as well as worth many commuters paying for people with the right shape bikes.

FTFY.

And, I'm not even thinking about the weird stuff.

When my friend got their shiny Kalkhoff e-bike we too the opportunity to ride to several of their regular lockered destinations and see if I could work out how to make the bike fit before they attempted it themselves (they have a condition that precludes too much heavy lifting).

Naturally, we were comprehensively defeated by the bike having 'Dutch' style handlebars, except in one case where the locker was actually wide enough for the bars, but couldn't cope with the height of the stem (the bike being designed for an rider of average height for a BRITISH man, and an upright riding position).

Much as I like the idea of lockers, they don't seem to be designed for proper bikes.  The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.

Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 01:30:36 pm
Yes, if it was a convenient location for whatever I was visiting, which seems generally unlikely for shops and similar

One of the few bits of infrastructure councils and capitalism did a decent job at providing in the 20th century is massive multistoreys bang in the middle of every town. If you're doing the version of shopping that involves walking around on your own two feet then I can see it being viable... if they made them secure and easy to find and pleasant and well maintained, which you know they're not going to.

Fair point.  I tend to cycle because my knee objects to that sort of traipsey wandering, so it wouldn't occur to me to use it that way.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Ham on September 07, 2020, 01:31:37 pm
Westfield (Stratford) have secure bike areas in some car parks, with dual level parking, rather like they do in foreigns like Dutchland. Seem to work well.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:31:49 pm
Of course, a multistorey car park might be a cheap location to install some 'bike hub' style secure cycle parking, which becomes somewhat more attractive.
He uses the phrase "lockable bike dock" which sounds like it's taken straight from hire schemes but is unspecific. I agree a locker-style "cupboard" would be more attractive for long term parking, as well as worth many commuters paying for people with the right shape bikes.

FTFY.

And, I'm not even thinking about the weird stuff.

When my friend got their shiny Kalkhoff e-bike we too the opportunity to ride to several of their regular lockered destinations and see if I could work out how to make the bike fit before they attempted it themselves (they have a condition that precludes too much heavy lifting).

Naturally, we were comprehensively defeated by the bike having 'Dutch' style handlebars, except in one case where the locker was actually wide enough for the bars, but couldn't cope with the height of the stem (the bike being designed for an rider of average height for a BRITISH man, and an upright riding position).

Much as I like the idea of lockers, they don't seem to be designed for proper bikes.  The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.
Actually, the same thought had occurred to me about Sheffield stands. They don't cope terribly well with tandems, Dutch/North Road handlebars or even modern MTB bars, not to mention trikes, recumbents, trailers...
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:34:40 pm
The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.
These sexist double decker things?
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/new-bike-storage-at-temple-meads-branded-sexist-infrastructure/
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 01:39:02 pm
Actually, the same thought had occurred to me about Sheffield stands. They don't cope terribly well with tandems, Dutch/North Road handlebars or even modern MTB bars, not to mention trikes, recumbents, trailers...

The 'M' shaped ones are an improvement for some of the non-diamond-framed bicycles, particularly small-wheeled bikes, and they're just the thing for USS recumbents.

Trikes and trailers are relatively non-fussy about what you secure them too, as they're free-standing.  The main issue is whether there's room to do it without causing an obstruction.  (My usual method of locking the bike with trailer to Sheffield stands at the shops involves parking the bike in the usual manner, then lifting the back of the trailer and rotating it about the hitch to bring it in front of an adjacent stand, to lock its wheel too.  This takes up 2-3 stands, which I'll start worrying about when I see the cycle parking even close to half full.

I believe there's a standards document somewhere that recommends a sort of super-low Sheffield stand for securing things like recumbent trikes and cargo cycles to.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 01:42:33 pm
The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.
These sexist double decker things?
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/new-bike-storage-at-temple-meads-branded-sexist-infrastructure/

Yeah.  I'm not really a fan, but they're okay if the people with height, strength and lightweight bikes use the top level and leave the lower free for those who can't lift.  Best installed alongside a few Sheffield stands for those with non-standard cycles.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:43:14 pm
As regards trikes, I was thinking of the width between stands. I don't see many, here at least, that are wide enough for a trike plus another bike. And most of the Sheffield stands in central Bristol are in use most of the time. At least the ones I want to use are!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:45:10 pm
For cycling to work, and not just the shops, then the standard for cycle parking can be judged more simply:

Would you lock your handbag/backpack with your phone, and/or laptop there?

if the answer to the above is no, it's not somewhere I am willing to store my bike.

J
Well, I wouldn't leave any of those items in a parked car either!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 07, 2020, 01:46:43 pm
And, I'm not even thinking about the weird stuff.

When my friend got their shiny Kalkhoff e-bike we too the opportunity to ride to several of their regular lockered destinations and see if I could work out how to make the bike fit before they attempted it themselves (they have a condition that precludes too much heavy lifting).

Naturally, we were comprehensively defeated by the bike having 'Dutch' style handlebars, except in one case where the locker was actually wide enough for the bars, but couldn't cope with the height of the stem (the bike being designed for an rider of average height for a BRITISH man, and an upright riding position).

Much as I like the idea of lockers, they don't seem to be designed for proper bikes.  The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.

Bike lockers exist here, I most recently found some next to the bus top in Holwerd in Friesland. I would hope that lockers installed in .NL would be big enough for a typical omafiets...

Thus I propose that lockers themselves aren't inherently shit, but that as implemented in .UK, the probably are.

Yes, if it was a convenient location for whatever I was visiting, which seems generally unlikely for shops and similar

One of the few bits of infrastructure councils and capitalism did a decent job at providing in the 20th century is massive multistoreys bang in the middle of every town. If you're doing the version of shopping that involves walking around on your own two feet then I can see it being viable... if they made them secure and easy to find and pleasant and well maintained, which you know they're not going to.

Fair point.  I tend to cycle because my knee objects to that sort of traipsey wandering, so it wouldn't occur to me to use it that way.

We have different ideas of centre. In the towns/cities I've lived in in the UK, they have not been close enough IMHO to be suitable for bike parking.

Actually, the same thought had occurred to me about Sheffield stands. They don't cope terribly well with tandems, Dutch/North Road handlebars or even modern MTB bars, not to mention trikes, recumbents, trailers...

They handle it better than pretty much all other designs. When you consider the tightly packed wheel benders, or the ablest crappy double decker things, if implemented properly, Sheffield stands are the least worst design for general "bike parking" They don't meet my requirements for security in terms of the handbag test as above. But for general parking at the shops on the highstreet, they are the best option.

Well, I wouldn't leave any of those items in a parked car either!

Locked in the boot of a car, many people would outside their place of work...

J
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 01:50:05 pm
Agree that Sheffields are the best form of public bike parking, it's just the spacing (laterally but also sometimes longitudinally) and general siting is often sub-par.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 02:00:19 pm
Also, sometimes people make inferior wanky variations in the name of aesthetics.  My local Sainsbury's Emporium of Toothy Comestibles has stands with a curve on one side, which might be a useful innovation in terms of accepting a wide variety of handlebar height, but they've installed them with the curved side outwards (ie. the opposite way round to what you'd want in order to wheel your bike in easily and faff with loading panniers) and - originally - too close to the wall.

Mr Tesco's Emporium of Slightly Cheaper Comestibles has a national policy of crappy 3-bike 'toast rack' stands, secured with a couple of loose M10 bolts.

Supermarkets in general like to hide the cycle parking somewhere daft.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 07, 2020, 02:23:30 pm
Supermarkets in general like to hide the cycle parking somewhere daft.

This is one of the things that bugs me about much of UK bike parking "Round the back by the bins" is the best description in far too many cases.

J
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 02:40:15 pm
"Round the back by the bins" is the best description in far too many cases.

J
I fear that cycle parking in a multistorey car park is also "round the back by the bins".

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, it's really quite impressive that a politician is talking about this stuff at all.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: simonp on September 07, 2020, 02:46:30 pm
I've parked my bike in a multi-storey car park in Cambridge before. There are at least two with bike parking on their lower levels. One had a bike shop, the other a small bike repair service operating out of a container, last time I was there.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 07, 2020, 02:46:48 pm
I fear that cycle parking in a multistorey car park is also "round the back by the bins".

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, it's really quite impressive that a politician is talking about this stuff at all.

Well yes, there is that too...

J
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 02:58:12 pm
I fear that cycle parking in a multistorey car park is also "round the back by the bins".

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, it's really quite impressive that a politician is talking about this stuff at all.

Well yes, there is that too...

J
Having said that, I don't recall him doing anything in favour of cycling when he was MP.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Danu on September 07, 2020, 03:06:35 pm
Coming down would be fun
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: grams on September 07, 2020, 03:11:53 pm
Nevertheless, as I said earlier, it's really quite impressive that a politician is talking about this stuff at all.

Politicians *love* to talk about cycling when presented with an idea that won't inconvenience the car-owning public at all.

When he's talking about whether the multistoreys should exist for cars at all, we can be impressed.

Coming down would be fun

If you're in London you can enjoy the world's most elaborate taxi dropoff layby (http://the world's most elaborate taxi dropoff layby) with very little risk of encountering a vehicle.

(Both those spirals serve no other purpose)
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: trekker12 on September 07, 2020, 03:12:40 pm
The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.
These sexist double decker things?
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/new-bike-storage-at-temple-meads-branded-sexist-infrastructure/

Why does it have to be sexist? I'm male, 5'4" with zero upper body strength. Last time we were at a station and the lifts weren't working Mrs Trekker helped me get my loaded touring bike up the stairs.

On Topic. In the same town as the above reference about the lifts not working in Mestre, Italy they have a two level 'Bici park' with security on site. You pay a few euros per day to keep it there or buy a season ticket. Proper bike stands, plenty of space between bikes so you don't clash handlebars. I had no concerns leaving the bikes there for three days despite the s***hole that is Mestre outside the bike storage 'bici park'.

If we really are reducing car usage then one floor of a MS could be allocated to such an enterprise.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 03:16:36 pm
When he's talking about whether the multistoreys should exist for cars at all, we can be impressed.

Got to store the cars somewhere when they're not cluttering up the street  :demon:
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 03:19:14 pm
The secure room with standard cycle parking approach (Sheffield stands, or those double-decker things) seems to be something that people are more inclined to get right.
These sexist double decker things?
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/new-bike-storage-at-temple-meads-branded-sexist-infrastructure/

Why does it have to be sexist? I'm male, 5'4" with zero upper body strength.

Because women are, as a class, more likely to be short and have less upper body strength then men as a class.

This doesn't stop it being disablist, ageist (when it comes to physical infrastructure, nobody ever seems to think of the children), or just plan bad design.

It does mean you can say "equality impact assessment" in an attempt to dissuade people from putting in discriminatory infrastructure.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 03:27:54 pm
Nevertheless, as I said earlier, it's really quite impressive that a politician is talking about this stuff at all.

Politicians *love* to talk about cycling when presented with an idea that won't inconvenience the car-owning public at all.

When he's talking about whether the multistoreys should exist for cars at all, we can be impressed.
Yes, that would be a major thing. TBF, he does touch on/skirt around the issue of reallocating car parking space to cycle parking space. Which is a great idea but I'd say start with on-street parking (how about digging up every 20th car space and replacing with Sheffield stands?).

Politicians love to talk about cycling? Not sure. Also not sure removing some car parking spaces counts as not inconveniencing any car owners – though less so atm when fewer people commuting. But as I said, he was MP for two terms (my constituency) and I don't recall him talking about cycling then.

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Coming down would be fun

If you're in London you can enjoy the world's most elaborate taxi dropoff layby (http://the world's most elaborate taxi dropoff layby) with very little risk of encountering a vehicle.

(Both those spirals serve no other purpose)
Linky no worky. Which is a shame, as I'm intrigued!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Kim on September 07, 2020, 03:33:41 pm
Birmigham Critical Mass, before it got eaten by Facebook, went through a phase of going up and down multi-storey car parks to avoid the rain.  With the sound system and lots of bell-ringing it was hard not to approve of the novelty value, but it tended to split the group up as some weren't equipped to cope with the gradients involved.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: grams on September 07, 2020, 03:39:19 pm
Linky no worky. Which is a shame, as I'm intrigued!

Here, behind the Tower of London:
https://goo.gl/maps/AbxB1aEuvnyUMPBVA
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 07, 2020, 04:12:53 pm
Linky no worky. Which is a shame, as I'm intrigued!

Here, behind the Tower of London:
https://goo.gl/maps/AbxB1aEuvnyUMPBVA
Turn it into a skateboard park. #olympicbonus
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: telstarbox on September 07, 2020, 06:53:14 pm
I used to park my bike in an underground car park near my work on rainy days, althoght it has butterfly stands which aren't ideal.

Unfortunately the local Deliveroo crew discovered it and now leave their bikes and boxes there overnight, which means no free spaces!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on September 07, 2020, 06:57:24 pm
Cambridge has a multi-story bike park, adjacent to the station.

General advice is, "Don't lock a good bike there for long."

A friend had his bike nicked from there. Locked with a half-decent lock.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Socks on September 07, 2020, 07:34:32 pm
This must be a rare occasion when one of my local councils has done well.  There's a high security multi storey car park in Sunderland (St Mary Street car park) which has a separate area for cycle parking.  Security guard controlled, CCTV monitored.  And straight across a footbridge to the main shopping centre.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: freeflow on September 07, 2020, 07:45:04 pm
No. The last time I did that, leaving my bike in the car, it wasn't there when I came back. Neither was the rear windscreen.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: The Family Cyclist on September 07, 2020, 08:16:10 pm
Both the German super markets in my town have the cycle parking as close to the front door as possible while not be in the bloody way.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Adam on September 07, 2020, 11:04:24 pm
At St. Pancras station in London, the multi-story car park at the back of the station has space for several hundred bikes in a secure compound and also sheffield stands on the first floor. My wife used to park a bike there a few years ago and never noticed any security issues.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: barakta on September 08, 2020, 12:50:34 am
Friends of mine who lived in Leicester till recently have (a very affordable) subscriptions to their secure under the station parking which is excellent. It's fob-only entry, well lit, and friends feel safe leaving even decent bikes there. There's stands at 2 heights I think space for weirder cycles as well. We stood in there one day chatting instead of freezing in the rain.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 08, 2020, 09:13:28 am
At St. Pancras station in London, the multi-story car park at the back of the station has space for several hundred bikes in a secure compound and also sheffield stands on the first floor. My wife used to park a bike there a few years ago and never noticed any security issues.
What does "secure compound" consist of? Is it something like Barakta describes with restricted entry etc? Sounds interesting, more than just an area of stands I presume?
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: aidan.f on September 08, 2020, 08:48:54 pm
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This must be a rare occasion when one of my local councils has done well.  There's a high security multi storey car park in Sunderland (St Mary Street car park) which has a separate area for cycle parking.  Security guard controlled, CCTV monitored.  And straight across a footbridge to the main shopping centre.
Well I did  not  know  about that... may  just  go and  take  a  look - see
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Adam on September 09, 2020, 10:50:49 pm
At St. Pancras station in London, the multi-story car park at the back of the station has space for several hundred bikes in a secure compound and also sheffield stands on the first floor. My wife used to park a bike there a few years ago and never noticed any security issues.
What does "secure compound" consist of? Is it something like Barakta describes with restricted entry etc? Sounds interesting, more than just an area of stands I presume?

A very large cage with key entry which I think you had to pay for, to get access.  And then all around the central core which houses the car ramps, they've got  loads of sheffield stands. This was 3-4 years ago, so hopefully still valid.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: arabella on September 10, 2020, 10:05:29 am
They have something like that on the platform at Ipswich station, with access to whomsoever joined the queue first back whenever they set it up.  I didn't join said queue as I don't get trains that often - I reckoned it was best left for daily commuters.  No idea if a charge is involved, there is a secret code to access.

I suggested about a year ago that they audit the users as it seemed rather empty.

The rest of us have to take our luck outside the station, approx the other side of the fence that's next to this cage, accessible to all comers.  tbh I don't think moving to the station multistorey would help any, and may make more people with handy bike-carrying-away devices aware of its existence.  It's certainly an improvement on the previous location - it's properly sheltered (think platform canopy) and less obvious and more overlooked.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Greenbank on September 10, 2020, 10:20:23 am
I'd happily lock a hackbike up in a multistorey car park, but then that's under £50 worth of bike, the locks are often worth more than that.

Not sure about my commuter. Even though the base bike was only £250, the combined replacement wheels are more expensive than that as I'm using a SON dynohub wheel I had spare on the front, and a PowerTap rear I scalped off eBay for relatively cheap so I could see how little power I was putting out on my commute.

A more expensive bike? No way. Apart from the secure bike cage at work I rarely ever locked those up anywhere other than at home or within eyesight.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cpt Sisko on September 10, 2020, 08:18:19 pm
If it was loacated on the top floor, it'd make for an interesting Strava KOM segment!
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: The Family Cyclist on September 10, 2020, 08:29:21 pm
Arabella I'm a few stations closer to London and they have the same thing. They're finally apparently re issuing fobs as they basically sold them to whoever wanted them till they had sold enough and despite lots not being used they were refusing to issue any more even to a train driver
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on September 10, 2020, 09:08:03 pm
If it was loacated on the top floor, it'd make for an interesting Strava KOM segment!
:o!!! ;D
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: Moleman76 on September 23, 2020, 04:19:59 am
(at the far edge of the topic)

Perhaps 5.5 decades ago, a multi-story automobile parking structure was constructed in my home town.  It was a novelty, and didn't get much use at first.  The design and placement of the elevators/lifts did not have a lot of security about it, and wasn't visible from the attendant's location.
We young cyclists enjoyed taking our bikes up the elevator and riding down.  You could zip by the end of the parking control gate and still have time to brake before hitting a pedestrian on the sidewalk/pavement.

Apparently this miffed the parking company, who installed signs banning bicycles from the premises, and later installed video surveillance gear.
Title: Re: Would you park your bike in a multistorey car park?
Post by: quixoticgeek on September 23, 2020, 02:04:00 pm
(at the far edge of the topic)

Perhaps 5.5 decades ago, a multi-story automobile parking structure was constructed in my home town.  It was a novelty, and didn't get much use at first.  The design and placement of the elevators/lifts did not have a lot of security about it, and wasn't visible from the attendant's location.
We young cyclists enjoyed taking our bikes up the elevator and riding down.  You could zip by the end of the parking control gate and still have time to brake before hitting a pedestrian on the sidewalk/pavement.

Apparently this miffed the parking company, who installed signs banning bicycles from the premises, and later installed video surveillance gear.

To which the Dutch say... "Sounds like a good formula for a race!"

http://www.carparkcannonball.cc/

J