Author Topic: Grammar that makes you cringe  (Read 856726 times)

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3100 on: 21 March, 2014, 10:15:15 am »
As they haven't included "school" arguably there's no need for an apostrophe on "infants". Even if they had said "infants school", it's a common enough pairing for "infants" to be considered an adjective. In fact, I note the sign behind says "infant school".

Infant always strikes me as an odd sounding word.
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Wowbagger

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3101 on: 21 March, 2014, 10:26:57 am »
The implied subject of the verb is school, singular. I agree that it's perfectly acceptable for that word to be omitted for the sentence to make sense and sound less formal, but in that context "infants" is still possessive plural and therefore requires an apostrophe. Just because something is in common use does not make it right, and you should of known that! :P
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3102 on: 21 March, 2014, 10:31:12 am »
You've learnt me proper now.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3103 on: 21 March, 2014, 11:44:09 am »
Another way of looking at it: "Infants" is a metonym and functionally singular.

Anyway, slightly tangential but it makes me think: "Not just Infants... M&S Infants!" (One for older readers.)
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Wowbagger

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3104 on: 21 March, 2014, 03:31:35 pm »
M  & S - masculine and singular?
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3105 on: 24 March, 2014, 01:33:07 pm »
Text are not GR8 for English skills in youngsters

http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/GR8-English-skills-youngsters/story-20845296-detail/story.html#ixzz2wt26XAMY

If you're going to moan about kids' English, you could at least make sure your verb agrees with its subject.  ::-)
Or should that be "...your verbs agrees with their subject"?
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3106 on: 24 March, 2014, 02:11:04 pm »


Really. These people are by appointment.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3107 on: 24 March, 2014, 02:41:25 pm »
The post office have* previous - I thought I'd posted this in this thread before but can find no record of having done so...





*Thought struck me while I was typing that: I'm sure Andrij or someone is going to complain about my use of "have" there. ;)
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hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3108 on: 24 March, 2014, 03:20:06 pm »
Collective nouns are grammatically singular, I thought...   ;)

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3109 on: 24 March, 2014, 04:19:04 pm »
Clearly the Post Office employ an uber-geek who was upset by the lack of verb in that sentence, so added the apostrophe to create one.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3110 on: 24 March, 2014, 04:27:46 pm »
Clearly the Post Office employ an uber-geek who was upset by the lack of verb in that sentence, so added the apostrophe to create one.

...which has just made me think of a suitable riposte to the one fboab spotted:

"Yes, it does."
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Andrij

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3111 on: 24 March, 2014, 08:08:43 pm »

*Thought struck me while I was typing that: I'm sure Andrij or someone is going to complain about my use of "have" there. ;)

 ;D
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Vince

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3112 on: 31 March, 2014, 01:20:13 pm »
I'm not sure if this is a grammar issue (I was away from school the day we did grammar) but a sign outside a Brightlingsea school says:

VI FORM COLLEGE

I was trying to work out what a vi form was for about 20 second before realising that 6th Form College (including the use of lower case letters) would have made a more reasonable description.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3113 on: 31 March, 2014, 01:40:58 pm »
VI form is quite a traditional way to write it ???

Zipperhead

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3114 on: 31 March, 2014, 02:03:45 pm »
No, it's just a college for unix geeks.

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hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3115 on: 31 March, 2014, 02:13:56 pm »
VI form is quite a traditional way to write it ???

It is. Before we had that new year numbering, where the First Year in secondary school became Year 7, Posh Schools started at the Upper Third.
Years 10 & 11 were the Lower and Upper Fifth.
Sixth Form followed this...

Andrij

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3116 on: 31 March, 2014, 02:15:33 pm »
No, it's just a college for unix geeks.

(emacs freeaks can just go and play with the traffic)

 ;D

Re: use of 'VI' for 6th, Newham Sixth Form College here in Londinium is known as NewVIC.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3117 on: 31 March, 2014, 03:27:22 pm »

Re: use of 'VI' for 6th, Newham Sixth Form College here in Londinium is known as NewVIC.

That seems a little dramatic.

Auntie Helen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3118 on: 31 March, 2014, 06:28:38 pm »
I studied for my A-levels at SEEVIC (South East Essex Sixth Form College)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3119 on: 31 March, 2014, 06:36:18 pm »
Collective nouns are grammatically singular, I thought...   ;)
Indeed, but are increasingly being treated as plural.

Some of the nouns now given plural forms of verbs surprise me.
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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3120 on: 01 April, 2014, 07:47:41 am »
Collective nouns are grammatically singular, I thought...   ;)
Indeed, but are increasingly being treated as plural.

Some of the nouns now given plural forms of verbs surprise me.

Collective nouns may take the singular or the plural.  I have not noticed any tendency in current writing to prefer the one over the other; on the other hand, I have noticed an increasing tendency for writers to get confused halfway through a sentence.  "People cannot get it through their head" - presumably the Roman people as wished for by Caligula.  "A line of people was making their way through a tent" is another example I read a couple of days ago. Admittedly, this latter is probably the result of wrongheaded desire to apply the word their everywhere possible for fear of arousing hyperegalitarians.

The naive use of plurals where a perfectly good collective singular form exists is also on the increase. Cannons instead of cannon, etc.

Anent the PC their, its abuse is now so prevalent as to constitute an epidemic worthy of WHO attention.  Theoden as written by Tolkein: "No father should have to bury his son". As rewritten by Peter Jackson's cohorts: "No parent should have to bury their child".  YETCH!!!  And it used to be that the pronoun for a child was it. Three guesses as to what's prevalent nowadays. It it ain't.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3121 on: 01 April, 2014, 10:22:30 am »
It as a pronoun for humans sounds... dehumanising. If you're talking about a particular child, you can use he or she. If you don't know the child then you can find another way to phrase the sentence, avoiding animate it and singular they.
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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3122 on: 01 April, 2014, 11:00:05 am »
Most people's children are inhuman.
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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3123 on: 01 April, 2014, 11:20:45 am »
on the other hand, I have noticed an increasing tendency for writers to get confused halfway through a sentence.  "People cannot get it through their head"

Nothing wrong with that, if you presume that the people have only one head each.

(Compare and contrast: "Men with big noses." / "Men with a big nose.")
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #3124 on: 01 April, 2014, 11:47:30 am »
If there were more than one man, you'd hope for more than one nose.