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Title: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Thing2 on 20 February, 2010, 10:26:17 pm
Having received routesheets this morning, we have been thinking about transport/accommodation options for this.
What are the car parking facilities like at the start, as we are likely to be driving there?   :-\

Emma
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 20 February, 2010, 10:30:54 pm
Quietish residential area. Best to park in Maple Avenue, the road that runs parallel to the main road. Cars have been vandalised in the community centre carpark.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 20 February, 2010, 10:31:56 pm
Cars have been vandalised in the community centre carpark.

Mine was.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Thing2 on 20 February, 2010, 10:39:30 pm
Thanks folks.
It sounds like avoiding the community centre is a good idea then!

Emma
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 20 February, 2010, 10:45:05 pm
Or park in Aust and ride over the bridge.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 20 February, 2010, 10:47:53 pm
One of the attractions of the Severn View Travelodge is the carpark away from the community centre. Though last year I CNBA to ride over the bridge and parked in Maple Avenue anyway!
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 21 February, 2010, 09:08:28 am
We stayed here (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html) last year and it was ver ver convenient for the start/finish and far too convenient for the flesh pots of Chepstow.

A numbers of us camped ut they did B&B too.

H
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 21 February, 2010, 10:38:08 am
Ride there and back, making it a nice long weekend break and avoid worrying about the car?
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 21 February, 2010, 12:35:47 pm
am i right in thinking the route over the elan valley on the scenic (from "40.3 LEFT $LLANWRTHTWL bear R thru hamlet" to the end of stage 2 at clettwr cafe control is something like  Gmaps Pedometer (http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3489383)
?
I can't quite place on the map where "41.2 R @ T" and "44.5 R @ T" are, but i assume itmust go right past all the reservoirs as the info is at the "top of the 3rd dam".
cheers
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 21 February, 2010, 02:10:19 pm
A bit of a "not quite right" when the route sheets went out, camping and other general info didn't get printed.

There's too much of it to place here, so entrants will be getting an e-mail with info on it.

It includes a brief blow-by-blow account of the route - so the BCM virgins have a bit of prior knowledge, and places to stay.

The place Hummers mentioned is very good, and aout 20 mins (max) cycling from the start. I've used it over the last decade or so, Mrs. Potts is the landlady - you can B & B or camp. It's a really good place. Another is Mrs Williams at Tickenham, about 6 - 7 miles out. But what miles, you'll have lovely warm rims when you get to the start.

A word of advice about parking at Severn View, and one of the reasons for moving to Bulwark.
A few years ago, the powers that be held a full fire drill on the weekend. A fairly good time to have one, as it's not unreasonable to expect this sort of establishment to be empty (as it was!!). And fireman Sam wouldn't have too much to do. So you can imagine the mental tumault when, the carpark was abnormally full of cars.

It didn't take too much detective work by the hotelier to find out who to vent their dissapproval at. I don't want a debate on this point, I'm only re-itterating events. You pay your money and you take your choice.

I will also try to send out Jpegs of the route, so things become a little clearer.

As you can see, in a effort to save a few trees, the route sheets are on re-cycled paper. Look closely, all the route stages are printed, but maybe not in the order you'd like.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 21 February, 2010, 02:15:40 pm
Regarding parking at Severn View and blacksheeps words above. In 2007 I had booked Severn View for the Sunday night and another Travelodge for the Friday. We phone in advance and went to Severn View on the Saturday morning. On the phone we asked them if we could leave the car there, we explained we had a booking. They said yes and just asked us to complete a form. It wasn't my car so I didn't complete the form so can't say what was on it.  I wouldn't leave a car there without permission though.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 21 February, 2010, 03:04:45 pm
I'm planning to cycle to the start from Severn View. Probably won't have the car- at the moment I'm thinking train to Bristol -  but thanks to all for the advice, just in case.

Presumably there is a gentle pre-ride gathering in the bar the night before?
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: teethgrinder on 21 February, 2010, 03:07:56 pm
I'm planning to cycle to the start from Severn View. Probably won't have the car- at the moment I'm thinking train to Bristol -  but thanks to all for the advice, just in case.

Presumably there is a gentle pre-ride gathering in the bar the night before?

If you don't allready know, Bristol Parkway is the nearest station. Just get on the A38 north from there then dive into the lanes and follow the signs for Aust. It's quite a nice ride.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 21 February, 2010, 03:15:10 pm
If you don't allready know, Bristol Parkway is the nearest station. Just get on the A38 north from there then dive into the lanes and follow the signs for Aust. It's quite a nice ride.

Best way is out the back entrance of Parkway, straight through Bradley Stoke on Bradley Stoke Way - Almondsbury Village - Tockington - Aust. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on 21 February, 2010, 03:21:50 pm
We stayed here (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html) last year and it was ver ver convenient for the start/finish and far too convenient for the flesh pots of Chepstow.

A numbers of us camped ut they did B&B too.

H

The mind boggles at what you might find in a Chepstow flesh pot.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 21 February, 2010, 03:32:00 pm
Check your e-mail in-boxes, the info requested (by some of you) should be there.

Correction:-

The info has been sent to all entrants, even though it was only requested by a few
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 21 February, 2010, 04:48:38 pm
I'm planning to cycle to the start from Severn View. Probably won't have the car- at the moment I'm thinking train to Bristol -  but thanks to all for the advice, just in case.

That's what I did for last year's BCM. Train to Bristol Parkway on Friday night and a nice-ish ride to Severn View. Easy ride over the bridge at 5am the next morning. Another travelodge room booked for Sunday night and early train Monday morning and straight into "work".

Here's my route from the station to SV:- Bicycle Path - TOSV at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/293875)

Presumably there is a gentle pre-ride gathering in the bar the night before?

I'm not sure there's a bar anywhere at Severn View Services. I was nervous enough that BEER was the last thing I needed before my Welsh debut and went straight to bed.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Salvatore on 21 February, 2010, 05:14:21 pm
I'm planning to cycle to the start from Severn View. Probably won't have the car- at the moment I'm thinking train to Bristol -  but thanks to all for the advice, just in case.


Presumably there is a gentle pre-ride gathering in the bar the night before?

I'm not sure there's a bar anywhere at Severn View Services. I was nervous enough that BEER was the last thing I needed before my Welsh debut and went straight to bed.

There's a pub in Aust which is in easy walking distance of SV.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 22 February, 2010, 10:20:59 am
Travelodge now up to £55 per night for the 14th. I think I may look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 22 February, 2010, 10:50:42 am
We stayed here (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html) last year and it was ver ver convenient for the start/finish and far too convenient for the flesh pots of Chepstow.

Ah ha, that looks like a good place to camp. Cheers for the linkie.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 22 February, 2010, 10:55:23 am
There's a pub in Aust which is in easy walking distance of SV.

Ah yes, good point, must have blanked it after riding past it on the way to SV to avoid temptation. :)

[EDIT] Looking at the map I must have been thinking of the one in Tockington or Olveston. My route avoided most of Aust.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 22 February, 2010, 11:09:30 am
I haven't entered yet ( but will be ) and would like to share Severn View Travelodge room

Please PM if you have / want to share a room
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 22 February, 2010, 11:31:32 am
There's a pub in Aust which is in easy walking distance of SV.

Ah yes, good point, must have blanked it after riding past it on the way to SV to avoid temptation. :)

[EDIT] Looking at the map I must have been thinking of the one in Tockington or Olveston. My route avoided most of Aust.

Excellent pub with great food. Superb for pre-ride pie loading and a couple of pints of muscle relaxant.
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Spikey on 22 February, 2010, 11:38:52 am
[There's a pub in Aust which is in easy walking distance of SV.
Theres a pub in Menai which is in easy cycling distance. ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 22 February, 2010, 11:42:52 am
I used The Chepstow Hotel last year before the BC.  Less than a mile from the start and had some good deals on rooms last year too.

Will be entering the BCM this year if the Winter has gone by then!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 February, 2010, 01:51:48 pm

Will be entering the BCM this year if the Winter has gone by then!

Winter will be well gone by then, bring along John the Bike  :demon:

To save too much energy loss for those spending the night on the west bank, there's a top PH next to the Castle carpark.
It serves proper horizontal lubricant.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 22 February, 2010, 02:01:25 pm
Have I heard correctly that there is a bag drop service on the BCM? I have the routesheet and am starting to plan the ride. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Also, with the YHA, is it just a matter of fall asleep where there's a spare square metre or so?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 22 February, 2010, 02:04:42 pm
Have I heard correctly that there is a bag drop service on the BCM? I have the routesheet and am starting to plan the ride. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Also, with the YHA, is it just a matter of fall asleep where there's a spare square metre or so?

You can book a bed and a wake-up call when you arrive. Ian (or whoever is running the place this year) keeps a log of what beds are spare. Just hope the person who slept before you wasn't wet.

Strangely the top bunks were totally dry, I'm assuming that by that stage no-one had the leg muscles to climb the ladder. Absolutely superb to be able to grab an hour or so in a real bed. Total BCM luxury.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 22 February, 2010, 02:11:06 pm
Sounds good enough.

On my other 600 I called in the services of my partner's campervan. Very cosy although the prospect of stepping out into the rain rather uninviting. I can only hope that the control crew are suitably unforgiving should I suggest that maybe I need another hour.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 22 February, 2010, 02:14:47 pm

You can book a bed and a wake-up call when you arrive. Ian (or whoever is running the place this year) keeps a log of what beds are spare.

I was rather hoping to ride this year.

(and ~I'm not sure you could accuse me of 'running' the control).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 22 February, 2010, 02:17:32 pm
Have I heard correctly that there is a bag drop service on the BCM? I have the routesheet and am starting to plan the ride. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Also, with the YHA, is it just a matter of fall asleep where there's a spare square metre or so?

You can book a bed and a wake-up call when you arrive. Ian (or whoever is running the place this year) keeps a log of what beds are spare. Just hope the person who slept before you wasn't wet.

Strangly the top bunks were totally dry, I'm assuming that by that stage no-one had the leg muscles to climb the ladder. Absolutely superb to be able to grab an hour or so in a real bed. Total BCM luxury.

The YHA is one of my Audax highlights.  I thought it was a welcome facility on my outbound leg but that is as nothing compared to how I felt when I arrived on the homeward leg, at daybreak on Sunday morning.

It was really well organised (despite a chaotic melee of wet cyclists wandering about).  I was allocated a bed in a separate Dorm and was presented with a list of brekky options (I think I ticked about 3 of the options).  Food turned up very quickly.  It really sets you up for the 2nd day.  
Just a shame my 2nd day was finished an hour after leaving the YHA.

Tip.  As you turn left towards the YHA, it's a very sharp "hairpin" left into a very steep climb, as steep as anything on the ride.  Engage 1st gear before you turn left or your thighs will not thank you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 22 February, 2010, 02:18:41 pm
Have I heard correctly that there is a bag drop service on the BCM? I have the routesheet and am starting to plan the ride. Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Also, with the YHA, is it just a matter of fall asleep where there's a spare square metre or so?

Don't rely on getting a bed. I didn't in 2007. They were all taken, this was at about 0100 IIRC. I slept on a sofa in the lounge.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 22 February, 2010, 02:21:39 pm
Tip.  As you turn left towards the YHA, it's a very sharp "hairpin" left into a very steep climb, as steep as anything on the ride.  Engage 1st gear before you turn left or your thighs will not thank you.

Fortunately I know the road from bitter experience on the 2008 Wild Wales Challenge and am expecting it. I also will not be taking the short cut through Gellilydan.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 22 February, 2010, 02:22:21 pm
I didn't even make it to the yha on the way out last year, never mind the way back! I have some unfinished business with this ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 22 February, 2010, 02:38:18 pm
Have I heard correctly that there is a bag drop service on the BCM?

As long as it isn't huge1 your bag will get transported from the start to the YH and back again.

Very useful as I had a 15L pannier and a small rucksack containing my non-riding stuff (Friday and Sunday night in SV Travelodge) and I was getting the train home Monday morning and going straight in to work. Not having to worry about where to leave the bags whilst doing the ride (and not having a car to leave it in) made it much easier. I had spare jersey/shorts/etc but didn't use them.

1. Space in the car between Chepstow and the YH isn't unlimited:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/vicechair/BCM600%202009/P5160554.jpg)

More photos of 2009 here: BCM600 2009 photos (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19013.0)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 22 February, 2010, 05:12:34 pm
I didn't even make it to the yha on the way out last year, never mind the way back! I have some unfinished business with this ride.

Well after The Dean where you left me in the dust (grunting and slobbering) you decided to ride BCM on fixed and do the hilly route. Has sense prevaled or ar you going to ride it on 92" just to show the Elan Valley what you are made of?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 22 February, 2010, 05:26:54 pm
 ;D

Some days are good, some are bad. I bonked at the top of the Elan valley and that was that, my legs never came back!

I plan to ride it on the same 74" but without a weekends worth of gear in the camper long flap strapped to the saddle, and a 1 1/2 years of fixed riding in my legs. Might have more luck this time  ???
Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: thing1 on 22 February, 2010, 06:17:46 pm
We stayed here (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html) last year and it was ver ver convenient for the start/finish and far too convenient for the flesh pots of Chepstow.

A numbers of us camped ut they did B&B too.

H

Thanks all for the recommendation, we're booked.
The nice chap on the phone remembered there being some sort of insanely long ride around that time last year, quite a group of campers. I forewarned him to expect the same this year  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 22 February, 2010, 09:45:48 pm

You can book a bed and a wake-up call when you arrive. Ian (or whoever is running the place this year) keeps a log of what beds are spare.

And has the most gentle of caresses to awaken you with.

H

Title: Re: Brian Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 23 February, 2010, 08:00:47 pm
I've just booked camping space at Upper Sedbury for this ride, and the Brevet Cymru. When I mentioned I'd like space for Friday 14th May the instant response was "Ah, this is for the cycling thing".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 24 February, 2010, 10:23:27 am
There is a reasonable chippy nearby and Lee et al went to the nearest local on the BC 400 and reported it as being OK  if not spectacular. Plenty of pubs, caffs and chippies in Chepstow though.

The place is a bit tricky to find and you will miss the turning if you are not careful. The lane it is on is a dead end but you7 can get through at the end by bike onto the main road into Chepstow.

For a small charge, the Mr Potts was happy for us to leave our cars there over the Saturday night.

All very nice.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 24 February, 2010, 10:27:26 am
Good kebab shop in Sedbury too. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 02 March, 2010, 07:34:19 am
Here we go again.

Just sent my entry form.

Metcheck are predicting 20degC during the day (note 1) with hazy sunshine (note 2), 14degC during the night (note 3) , dry (note 4), light South Easterlies on Saturday turning (note 5) slowly to light North Westerlies on Sunday (note 6).

"Stringfellows" nightclub are holding their annual "Miss erotic Dancer" competition in Dolgellau YHA that same weekend (note 7) so there's a degree of bed-sharing required and it all clashes with the Welsh finals of the "World's Best Cooked Breakfast" competition (Note 8 ).










Note 1 - Subject to change, Note 2 - Subject to change, Note 3 - Subject to change, Note 4 - Subject to change, Note 5 - Subject to change, Note 6 - Subject to change, Note 7 - Subject to change, Note 8 - Subject to change
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 02 March, 2010, 10:30:51 am

"Stringfellows" nightclub are holding their annual "Miss erotic Dancer" competition in Dolgellau YHA that same weekend (note 7) so there's a degree of bed-sharing required


and you could contemplate cycling another 300K - after "bed sharing" with an erotic dancer - you are a much fitter man than me Sir !!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 02 March, 2010, 10:49:20 am

"Stringfellows" nightclub are holding their annual "Miss erotic Dancer" competition in Dolgellau YHA that same weekend (note 7) so there's a degree of bed-sharing required


and you could contemplate cycling another 300K - after "bed sharing" with an erotic dancer - you are a much fitter man than me Sir !!

No, he's just a heavy sleeper.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 02 March, 2010, 01:08:03 pm

You can book a bed and a wake-up call when you arrive. Ian (or whoever is running the place this year) keeps a log of what beds are spare.

I was rather hoping to ride this year.

(and ~I'm not sure you could accuse me of 'running' the control).

Oh I dunno, you did come round and shout that it wasn't a real fire alarm
Not that anyone was moving anyway
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 02 March, 2010, 01:34:31 pm

"Stringfellows" nightclub are holding their annual "Miss erotic Dancer" competition in Dolgellau YHA that same weekend (note 7) so there's a degree of bed-sharing required


and you could contemplate cycling another 300K - after "bed sharing" with an erotic dancer - you are a much fitter man than me Sir !!

Nah, it'll be Mark Rigby dressed in a Mankini with nipple tassles.

Just like last year.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: alexb on 04 March, 2010, 04:11:41 pm
I've been really slow getting into gear this year. The BCM has been on my wish list for ages. Is it too late to register now?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 04 March, 2010, 04:39:31 pm
No

I've not entered yet either

I must do it soon.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 08 March, 2010, 12:07:57 pm
See you there.  I'm hoping that Britain is due a dry year by now.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 08 March, 2010, 12:10:12 pm
I'm hoping that Britain is due a dry year by now.

Yep, with the exception of Wales obviously...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 08 March, 2010, 12:11:54 pm
I'm hoping that Britain is due a dry year by now.

Yep, with the exception of Wales obviously...

It's been pretty dry here so far.

It always rains on the Chapman though. Even if it's just a spot or two.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 March, 2010, 12:19:22 pm


It always rains on the Chapman though. Even if it's just a spot or two.


....  Does anyone remember the ride in 2004 ? ? ? ? Or have you all forgotton
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 08 March, 2010, 12:24:30 pm


It always rains on the Chapman though. Even if it's just a spot or two.


....  Does anyone remember the ride in 2004 ? ? ? ? Or have you all forgotton

I got rained on between Tre'r Ddol and Dolgellau that year...just a few spots but it did its best to ensure an unbroken record.  Nothing serious though, and I agree that the rest of the ride was glorious.

The only totally dry one* I've done in a decade was the perm version, in July 2006.

*2000 might have been dry actually, but I can't quite recall.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 08 March, 2010, 01:43:40 pm
But one year it has to be hot and sunny doesn't it? I'd quite like to be thinking about  how to deal with getting enough liquids on board rather than wishing the damn sheep would move out of the way so I can claim its spot under that hawthorn hedge out of the worst hail downpour I've ever seen.

But I suspect it will be more of the usual.   :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 08 March, 2010, 01:59:18 pm
BCM weather on the ones I've done

2005 pretty good.  I think it rained a bit on day 2
2006 at the first 100 miles mark I thought "I am not a superman.  If this carries on I will have to pack".."this" being horizontal rain and a headwind and /or visiblity of about 30 metres.  But it did improve and the night section was pretty good.  day 2 also rotten weather.
2006 in July as a perm.  The tarmac was melting.  Climbing out of Newtown I had to stop and pour water over my head
2007 I think there was a little snow day 1 but day 2 was pretty good, bit of sun.  Overall, good.
2009 See my write up in Arrivee.  Basically a lot of high winds and a fair amount of rain.

So out of 4 goes on the calendar event, 2 were good and 2 were awful
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 08 March, 2010, 02:01:41 pm
2007 was wet for the first 5-6 hours. Afternoon of day 2 was great. Sat outside on the grass in Weobly in the sun eating ice creams
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 08 March, 2010, 02:06:22 pm
2007 was wet for the first 5-6 hours. Afternoon of day 2 was great. Sat outside on the grass in Weobly in the sun eating ice creams

Weobley is sunny because it's not in Wales.

English A466 (the Llancloudy rollercoaster): Dry.
Welsh A466 (South of Monmouth): Pissing it down
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Salvatore on 08 March, 2010, 02:15:51 pm


It always rains on the Chapman though. Even if it's just a spot or two.


....  Does anyone remember the ride in 2004 ? ? ? ? Or have you all forgotton

2004 was indeed warm dry (for me, anyway) and sunny, with excellent visibility. You could see the top of Cadair Idris.

1989 was dry. Blisteringly hot during the day, and bone-chillingly cold at night. No control at the YH in those days.

On the other hand, 2002.

And 1991.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 08 March, 2010, 02:22:49 pm
I've ridden several Bryan Chapmans, don't know how many, but I only remember the weather on one. Near gale-force southerly winds on the exposed parts, which meant that I had to concentrate hard to stay upright riding across the Severn Bridge to the finish.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 08 March, 2010, 03:02:15 pm
Permanent or just a long, long time ago?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 08 March, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

I got rained on between Tre'r Ddol and Dolgellau that year...just a few spots but it did its best to ensure an unbroken record.  Nothing serious though, and I agree that the rest of the ride was glorious.

The only totally dry one* I've done in a decade was the perm version, in July 2006.

*2000 might have been dry actually, but I can't quite recall.

That was probably a 747 in 2004, flushing it's tanks before a final approach to Manchester airport.

In 2000, many cyclists spent all their time (on the way out), packed like sardines in the drying room at Kings.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 08 March, 2010, 03:30:20 pm
Permanent or just a long, long time ago?

Me, Blah and Mal Volio did a perm version of the BCM in July 2006

Here's the pictures to prove it (clicky for slideshow)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4417333784_c759af3093.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36911087@N05/sets/72157623579134866/show/)

Note the shadows in this photo, taken near Builth
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 08 March, 2010, 03:42:55 pm
Permanent or just a long, long time ago?

It doesn't seem that long ago. It was the calendar event.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 08 March, 2010, 03:54:48 pm
Must have been more than a decade ago if it had a finish in England.

+1 to 2002 being wet & windy. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 08 March, 2010, 04:02:39 pm
Has this event ever had decent weather?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 08 March, 2010, 04:04:22 pm
2004 was good, save a couple of spots.  Some warm sun.  2003 was OK enough, and 2000 I think was mostly dry.

It's usually a mixed bag, with a bit of sun and a bit of rain.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 08 March, 2010, 04:37:49 pm
Just booked into the Beaufort. A little luxury before the trials begin.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 08 March, 2010, 05:04:58 pm
2004 was good, save a couple of spots.

Does that mean those of us doing the BCM(2004) opposed to the BCM(scenic) will be OK?!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 09 March, 2010, 11:35:39 am
Has this event Wales ever had decent weather?

Modified that for you ;)
Title: Bryan Chapman 2010
Post by: Jethro on 14 April, 2010, 03:02:26 pm
Surprised that there isnt a thread up on this yet with it being only 4-weeks away and counting.

Just sent my entry off today.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 April, 2010, 03:04:10 pm
Surprised that there isnt a thread up on this yet

There is ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2010
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 14 April, 2010, 03:17:32 pm
with it being only 4-weeks away
Only 4 weeks? Sounds so different to 'next month'.  Gulp!  Better focus on losing those last few lbs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 April, 2010, 03:24:33 pm
Is there an online map of the route available. The bikely one only seems to show half of the route and I wanted to do a bit of interactive planning.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 14 April, 2010, 03:27:18 pm
Here's the one I based my route on:-

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 14 April, 2010, 03:29:08 pm
Is there an online map of the route available. The bikely one only seems to show half of the route and I wanted to do a bit of interactive planning.

Just ride, just follow the others. I did this ride in 2007 without looking at a routesheet. Even when we were unsure of the route George Hanna turned up and helped us.  Live life.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 April, 2010, 03:43:54 pm
Yeah, that doesn't work for me. I inevitably end up following people either too fast or too slow.

Following the routesheet isn't a problem for me though. I just like to do a bit of research on the route and it's surroundings before the day so that I can make plans.

I have a rather bad habit of thinking that I don't need to stop and get drinks, food etc just yet and I'll get it in the next town/village only to discover that it's just a wide place in the road with a post office that closes ten minutes before you arrive and a pub that opens in three hours and end up riding hungry and dehydrated. I need to make notes on where I can and where I absolutely cannot refuel and where those places are just off the route that are resplendent with fine vittals. A little knowledge goes a long way.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 14 April, 2010, 03:56:29 pm
Yeah, that doesn't work for me. I inevitably end up following people either too fast or too slow.

For me, all rides are better with company. I really really enjoyed BCM600 in 2007. I spent most of the time with Tuggo, simonb and steve underpants. We stuck together, hooked up with other riders from time to time, including Mal Volio, and had a real blast.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 14 April, 2010, 04:05:33 pm
I have a rather bad habit of thinking that I don't need to stop and get drinks, food etc just yet and I'll get it in the next town/village only to discover that ...
... there is nothing for 82k after the Menai control (which I think demonstrates your point!).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 14 April, 2010, 04:17:23 pm
Yeah, that doesn't work for me. I inevitably end up following people either too fast or too slow.

Following the routesheet isn't a problem for me though. I just like to do a bit of research on the route and it's surroundings before the day so that I can make plans.

I have a rather bad habit of thinking that I don't need to stop and get drinks, food etc just yet and I'll get it in the next town/village only to discover that it's just a wide place in the road with a post office that closes ten minutes before you arrive and a pub that opens in three hours and end up riding hungry and dehydrated. I need to make notes on where I can and where I absolutely cannot refuel and where those places are just off the route that are resplendent with fine vittals. A little knowledge goes a long way.

...and always carry an emergency ginsters.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 April, 2010, 04:18:33 pm
And my normal response, even when I expect to be leaving there at gone midnight, would be, oh it's OK, I'll grab a bite to eat in Beddgelert.

However my routesheet will now have notes saying EAT FOOD NOW YOU FOOL AND THEN PUT SOME MORE IN YOUR BAG OTHERWISE THE HOSTEL IS NAUGHT BUT THE FANTASY OF A LACKWIT.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 14 April, 2010, 04:24:20 pm
Yeah, that doesn't work for me. I inevitably end up following people either too fast or too slow.

Following the routesheet isn't a problem for me though. I just like to do a bit of research on the route and it's surroundings before the day so that I can make plans.

I have a rather bad habit of thinking that I don't need to stop and get drinks, food etc just yet and I'll get it in the next town/village only to discover that it's just a wide place in the road with a post office that closes ten minutes before you arrive and a pub that opens in three hours and end up riding hungry and dehydrated. I need to make notes on where I can and where I absolutely cannot refuel and where those places are just off the route that are resplendent with fine vittals. A little knowledge goes a long way.

Menai to Dolgellau on the way back is probably the tricky bit. I left Menai at 1am or so and there was nothing open between there and the Youth Hostel.

From memory:-

You won't need anything before the first stop in Bronllys. It's a cafe that does everything you could ask for.
Rhayader has some shops and a petrol station.
A smattering of shops between there and Penrhyndeudraeth.
Beddgelert (pubs, shop if early enough I think) is the last of it before Llanberis (and there you may have to rely on pubs).
Not much between Llanberis and Menai control (24 hour petrol station in Menai if I remember correctly).
Nothing really between Menai and Beddgelert again, and probably nothing open at o'dark thirty.
Same again for Beddgelert to the Youth Hostel at Dolgellau.
Petrol station just on the outskirts of Dolgellau (watch for the drainage channel across the forecourt when exiting, I got a pinch flat there in 2008), after that there's not much for hours until Aberhafesp.
Shops in Newtown just a few miles after the Aberhafesp control and then out into the sticks until Knighton.
Shop in Weobley (it's the control) that closes at 6pm (it's going to be a tough final section if you're on the time limit).
Petrol Station and shops in Monmouth and you're almost home.

There will have been other villages that may have had shops, or petrol stations but none stick in my mind because I didn't stop at them.

Carry lots of spare food, and if it's warm (ha!) be prepared to be creative in order to stock up on water (calling on random houses often works a treat).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 14 April, 2010, 04:27:31 pm
Oh yes, Menaii to Dolgellau was the drug fueled bit. Simonb was wowed by my 'additives'. We left as dusk was settling, it was always my goal to get there before dark and we did.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 April, 2010, 04:34:07 pm
if it's warm (ha!) be prepared to be creative in order to stock up on water.

Yeah, I was just planning on leaving the top off one of my water bottles.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Paul D on 14 April, 2010, 04:36:14 pm
if it's warm (ha!) be prepared to be creative in order to stock up on water.

Yeah, I was just planning on leaving the top off one of my water bottles.

Or wring out yer gloves into a bottle.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 14 April, 2010, 04:37:57 pm
if it's warm (ha!) be prepared to be creative in order to stock up on water.

Yeah, I was just planning on leaving the top off one of my water bottles.

Doesn't work with Welsh horizontal rain.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 14 April, 2010, 04:44:22 pm
Beddgelert (pubs, shop if early enough I think) is the last of it before Llanberis (and there you may have to rely on pubs).
Not much between Llanberis and Menai control (24 hour petrol station in Menai if I remember correctly).
Nothing really between Menai and Beddgelert again, and probably nothing open at o'dark thirty.
Same again for Beddgelert to the Youth Hostel at Dolgellau.

Pen-y-pass YH is useful Northbound - they have a bar (and I guess faster riders could choose to use it Southbound :P )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 15 April, 2010, 09:55:38 am
If you're that fast, there's a pub on the Southbound route between Menai and Beddgelert.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 15 April, 2010, 10:41:17 am
If you're that fast, there's a pub on the Southbound route between Menai and Beddgelert.

Nothing was more demoralising on the BCM (for a rider at the back of the field like myself at least) than seeing someone riding the other way as we were riding towards Beddgelert.

Just before dusk.

I got to the same point just before sunrise the next morning.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: TOBY on 15 April, 2010, 10:41:49 am
I was led astray last year and rode the YH - Menai - YH loop the wrong way round, I don't know where it was as it was Dark and Wet but I had a lovely tray of Egg Fried Rice with Sweet & Sour MSG with a cup of tea in a take away with my two companions on the way back :thumbsup:

<edit> Sorry Greenbank <edit>

<edit> <edit> as it wasn't me - not sorry Greenbank <edit> <edit>
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 15 April, 2010, 11:27:02 am
Surprised that there isnt a thread up on this yet with it being only 4-weeks away and counting.

Just sent my entry off today.

Yes I need to do an entry as well.....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 15 April, 2010, 11:36:14 am
I was led astray last year and rode the YH - Menai - YH loop the wrong way round, I don't know where it was as it was Dark and Wet but I had a lovely tray of Egg Fried Rice with Sweet & Sour MSG with a cup of tea in a take away with my two companions on the way back :thumbsup:

<edit> Sorry Greenbank <edit>

I don't think it was you. I think it may have been Mr Kelly.

It was on the stretch heading North between Penrhyndeudraeth and Beddgelert.

It doesn't matter which way you do the loop above Beddgelert, you'd still have had to have done the entire loop and be back through Beddgelert heading South by 9pm.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 15 April, 2010, 11:40:26 am
We saw someone there coming back before 7 pm in 2007  :o

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 15 April, 2010, 11:43:16 am
We saw someone there coming back before 7 pm in 2007  :o

Looking at the 2007 results list (for the 2004 route) I'd have a guess at one Nikolaus Gardiner.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Paul D on 15 April, 2010, 12:13:54 pm
We saw someone there coming back before 7 pm in 2007  :o

Looking at the 2007 results list (for the 2004 route) I'd have a guess at one Nikolaus Gardiner.

Indeed. I heard (chinese whisper style, possibly) that he was doing it as training for the Mersey 24 that year, and that he was back at Bulwark inside 24hrs. Maybe Mr Blacksheep knows the true myth?

A quick google tells me Nik won the Mersey in 2004, 2005 and 2006 but lost out to Eamonn Deane in 2007.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: swiss hat on 15 April, 2010, 12:29:23 pm
I was led astray last year and rode the YH - Menai - YH loop the wrong way round, I don't know where it was as it was Dark and Wet but I had a lovely tray of Egg Fried Rice with Sweet & Sour MSG with a cup of tea in a take away with my two companions on the way back :thumbsup:

Hi Toby - It was in Penrhyndeudraeth after Beddgelert; a sanctuary of warmth and food after that cold, wet descent from the pass. We were with Tiggers Taxi. The idea of doing the top loop in reverse was to have a more sheltered run north in lee of Snowdon rather than fighting headwind over the pass, not sure if it was much help overall but we certainly surprised some folks on the return.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 15 April, 2010, 12:32:32 pm
it always used to go that way round - out on the flatter route and back over the pass. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 15 April, 2010, 01:45:38 pm
That's actually quite tempting. I've ridden the pass several times now on different rides dropping down into Llanberis, it'd make a change to do it the other way.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 15 April, 2010, 06:19:11 pm


Looking at the 2007 results list (for the 2004 route) I'd have a guess at one Nikolaus Gardiner.

Indeed. I heard (chinese whisper style, possibly) that he was doing it as training for the Mersey 24 that year...
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Paris-Brest I believe, but other things intervened.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 26 April, 2010, 03:00:25 pm
Route sheet arrived, but nothing else with it.  ???

is anything missing ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 26 April, 2010, 03:05:00 pm
That's actually quite tempting. I've ridden the pass several times now on different rides dropping down into Llanberis, it'd make a change to do it the other way.

It may be faster but it's mind boggling boring...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 26 April, 2010, 03:41:36 pm
Route sheet arrived, but nothing else with it.  ???

is anything missing ???

I doubt it; you'll get your brevet card on the day and I cannot think of anything else that would be missing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 26 April, 2010, 03:51:54 pm
Route sheet arrived, but nothing else with it.  ???

is anything missing ???

There's the email with the advice on places to stay and jpgs of the route.

Which is useful now that bikely has fallen over an can't get up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 26 April, 2010, 04:34:50 pm
I got my route sheet too

Mark used to send out a extra blurb sheet as well, but this time it's just the route sheet

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mukkinese on 26 April, 2010, 04:40:51 pm
We saw someone there coming back before 7 pm in 2007  :o

Looking at the 2007 results list (for the 2004 route) I'd have a guess at one Nikolaus Gardiner.

Indeed. I heard (chinese whisper style, possibly) that he was doing it as training for the Mersey 24 that year, and that he was back at Bulwark inside 24hrs. Maybe Mr Blacksheep knows the true myth?

A quick google tells me Nik won the Mersey in 2004, 2005 and 2006 but lost out to Eamonn Deane in 2007.

I know not of his name but when I got back in 2007 the controller told me the first back was the 24hrs champion, and that he'd got back before 24hours.

Richard.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 26 April, 2010, 09:11:04 pm
Mark used to send out a extra blurb sheet as well, but this time it's just the route sheet

There were numerous reasons for not sending out the blurb, some eco, some financial, some logistical.

Probably the main reason being (and toys are staying firmly in the pram) - comparitively few cyclists ever took heed of the text. Sure - some thanked me for the 'ahead-up' info, but others were bordering on the abusive.

If any one feels the need to see it, I could post it here. Or PM me and I'll send it to you.

For what it's worth - as a rider, this event was my third ever BR audax and following the advice from the AUK handbook to be perfectly adequate.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 26 April, 2010, 11:44:25 pm
Another one who should get his entry in.  In fact...

...done.  In the post.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 27 April, 2010, 09:23:36 am
Mark used to send out a extra blurb sheet as well, but this time it's just the route sheet

There were numerous reasons for not sending out the blurb, some eco, some financial, some logistical.

Probably the main reason being (and toys are staying firmly in the pram)
...
:thumbsup:
Quote
- comparitively few cyclists ever took heed of the text. Sure - some thanked me for the 'ahead-up' info, but others were bordering on the abusive.

If any one feels the need to see it, I could post it here. Or PM me and I'll send it to you.
I've got an old copy in front of me - it was very useful. Far more detail than I expected, but you only have to read it once! But as you say, it's not essential for riding/enjoying the event.
(Most useful is the stuff about the YHA, drying room, drop bags, and the long leg down from Menai.)

If you have web-space, Mark, it would be good to link from the AUKweb calendar page?

p.s. I'm not riding this year, but wondered if the BC400 also has any extra info?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 27 April, 2010, 09:49:01 am
Does anyone have a spare Severn View Travelodge bed for the Friday night before the ride?

Simon,
NonSeldom-snorer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 27 April, 2010, 11:04:14 am
Just GSVing my way around the route. Is this anyone from here at the Tre'r Ddol control (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=52.51244,-3.976471&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=52.512534,-3.976261&panoid=ub3lWM_8kqyIJGPd6AYDPQ&cbp=12,127.62,,2,10.78)?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 27 April, 2010, 01:03:25 pm
Probably the main reason being (and toys are staying firmly in the pram) - comparitively few cyclists ever took heed of the text. Sure - some thanked me for the 'ahead-up' info, but others were bordering on the abusive.

I'm genuinely amazed that anyone would be abusive about being offered information. It's beyond ridiculous.

I would certainly appreciate it if you posted it up here. It may yet prove useful.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 27 April, 2010, 02:53:13 pm
I would certainly appreciate it if you posted it up here. It may yet prove useful.

As would I.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 27 April, 2010, 03:09:30 pm
Probably the main reason being (and toys are staying firmly in the pram) - comparitively few cyclists ever took heed of the text. Sure - some thanked me for the 'ahead-up' info, but others were bordering on the abusive.

I'm genuinely amazed that anyone would be abusive about being offered information. It's beyond ridiculous.

I would certainly appreciate it if you posted it up here. It may yet prove useful.

How DARE you tell me how to ride my bike.

However, some people do the BCM as their first 600, and come unstuck.  I did.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 April, 2010, 03:15:52 pm
I would certainly appreciate it if you posted it up here. It may yet prove useful.

As would I.

OK, (deep intake of breath) - stuff that was circulated


Dear Randonneur.

As you’re probably aware, AUK organizers are now required to perform a risk assessment for each and every event they run. There are many reasons, but probably the most important as far as you’re concerned – is to demonstrate to our insurers that organizers have taken measures to minimise as many hazards to participants as practical. Please take a few minutes to read to the end of this passage.

The last thing I want to do is get ‘tied-up’ in arguing the toss on what’s right and what’s wrong. But I do care about is how cyclists are perceived by the public in general. And forewarning entrants of potential problems.

On longer rides such as this, maintaining your fuel supply is very important. To this end please note that hot food and drink is available at every control. Some are commercial establishments - your support of the controls would be appreciated, (even if you only purchase a cup of tea and some ‘bonk rations’) without their benevolence this event simply would not be possible, they are all expecting you – the first control has agreed to open-up early solely for your benefit.

The night section for many of you will be somewhere from Dolgellau to Menai and back. Please ensure you take adequate clothing, the weather in North Wales at any time of the year can suddenly turn inclement. Last year many entrants returned to Dolgellau suffering from the effects of the cold.

There is a room for drying clothes at Dolgellau, and showers are available. If you are wet when you arrive and have a change of clothes – leave them here to dry, whilst you ride the top loop. In my experience, the clothes will be dry by the time you return. Then on your return if you need to dry-off again, change into your dry clothes, and get some rest while your wet clothes are drying.

Most of you may wish to rest at some stage during the event. It is not recommended that you simply ‘crash-out’ on the roadside. You may find yourself being struck by passers-by; cause unnecessary alerting of the emergency services; you settle-down for a nap in the dry, but the weather may suddenly change, and you find yourself suffering from exposure. etc. etc. At Menai (approx. 300km) there are rest facilities, should you wish to get a catnap. And at Dolgellau (approx. 400km) there are showers and sleeping services available; with the option of a ‘wake-up’ call should you so wish.

Please, please, please be aware of all other road users. Just because others may behave in an irresponsible manner, does not justify you following their lead. Do not act in a manner likely to compromise your safety. On a ride such as this there will be numerous times when you’re able to ride two-abreast. Many of the roads are quiet, particularly throughout the night. However if you’re aware that there is traffic behind you waiting to pass, please aid their passage by making yourself ‘as easy (but safely) to pass as possible’. As we all know, the Highway Code does not yet forbid riding two-abreast, but you could ultimately be deemed culpable of obstruction, if you’re involved in an incident. Always try to be the ‘Good Guy (or Gal)’.

No doubt you will find yourself enjoying some of the climbs during this event, and to reward your efforts there are also the corresponding descents. Please take care particularly when descending; speeds in excess of 80 k.p.h. are easily attainable. And although the road surfaces are generally good any incident at this speed could easily prove to be your last.

Last year’s running was the fourth time the event was been run over the same course, and for some it may have started to loose some of it’s appeal. As the result of rider feedback, various stretches have been partly re-routed. I believe that the ride now has even more spectacular scenery to enjoy. And some of the busier main roads have been avoided; going to Hereford is now a thing of the past. The City doesn’t have a particularly good ring road, and tired cyclists battling across lanes of fast flowing traffic is far from ideal.  Here are a few lines that maybe of interest.

You may find in the villages passed through a few newsagents open en route; there are no appreciable hills until turning-off the A40 towards Tretower. After a bit of a drag, there’s a fast winding descent towards the first control. Be sure to follow the road signs in Talgarth, and not the way the road leads.

The second stage is the longest; you will pass through Builth Wells. The town has cafes, I have found the service to be slow – not something you need at this stage of the ride. The A470 undulates gently; there are no serious climbs, but the road is narrow in places, so be aware of other road users. In Rhayader the route now follows the B4518 through the Elan Valley. The route passes through spectacular and isolated countryside, be aware that the road can be narrow in places and although there are signs advising coaches not to use the road – the odd 52-seater does have a go, and grid locks about 5 miles of lane !! Eyes peeled for the 3rd turning right; once you’ve joined the A44 the route is fairly flat to the control.

The stage from Tre’r Ddôl to Dolgellau is only 47km, you pass through Machynlleth, but you do have some climbing. The first is a shallow steady drag, which then drops steadily allowing you plenty of time to peruse Cadair Idris on the far side of the valley as you climb along the side of Mynedd Ceiswyn. For your efforts the route is predominantly favorable after the climb – all the way to Dolgellau. The drop from Cross Foxes Inn requires attention; it starts by winding then opening out into a fast straight. The final approach to the YHA is very sharp, steep cutback, those on fixed wheel, recumbent or tandem probably need a wide swing from the far side of the road please be mindful of your fellow riders’ needs – last year one entrant came to grief here and had to abandon, so please be aware.

Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth, and on to Harlech along the coast. This year you’ll turn right at Harlech onto the B4573, the route is marginally shorter and easier; you’ll also avoid two potentially hazardous level crossings. At the top of the rise in Penrhyndeudraeth you will cross the Ffestiniog railway, previous entrants have ended-up in hospital at this point. The route up to and through Beddgelert is fairly flat - enjoy, the climb to Llanberis Pass is narrow in places and is nearly always busy(ish). The road constantly winds on the descent to Llanberis, chance to enjoy the view and get a breather. Once onto the Bangor road it’s virtually down hill all the way to Menai Bridge. Please take care on and around the A55 roundabout. And observe the traffic flow restrictions on Telford’s Bridge, ride over as normal, but WALK back using footpath.

Stage five, the return to Dolgellau from Menai Bridge. To my knowledge there will no places to purchase food on this leg. The route gently undulates back to Beddgelert, but the final mile (or so) is down hill – and for most of you, will be in the dark. Eyes peeled for the left turn on to the A4085 back to Penrhyndeudraeth, it’s easily missed in the dark. Again the Ffestiniog railway level crossing and the following descent both require due care. Once on the A470 the climb past Trawsfynedd may seem endless, but once on the top, be aware of side winds, you’re quite high up and exposed. The fall back to Dolgellau is gradual and it’s possible to travel at high speed back towards the town. Once again the previous comments about approaching the YHA are appropriate.

Stage six to Newtown; check your bonk rations before leaving the YHA. There are two route changes on the stage this year. The route is still fairly simple though, the terrain is initially tough, you climb back to Cross Foxes Inn, and stay on the A470, to continue climbing, if you’re lucky you may get a tail-wind to push you along, if not prepare for a good work-out. You will then find yourself at the top of descent that never seems to end. Please take great care (particularly in the dark), this is the fastest decent so far encountered, and it always seems to have some gravel on it. At the roundabout you now take the first exit – and take a right turn a few km up the road. This part is extremely quiet and has grass up the middle in places, perhaps a chance to take-in the scenery. Left at the T brings you back to the A470, which you follow, and eventually turn left onto the B4568 to Newtown. There is the occasional rise to ease you out of the saddle, the roads are quiet, and most villages passed through have 40mph restrictions, (so no speeding please).

Leaving Newtown for Weobley you will find the longest single climb of the ride. At the top of the climb be aware of the cattle-grid, there will be wild animals on the top (horses, cattle & sheep). There’s also a descent cattle-grid, this requires an accurate approach. The road to Knighton can also be a little variable in places. In Knighton there’s a couple of all-day shops (they’re on the left as you drop down through the steepest part of the town). The B4335 to and through Prestiegne is initially lumpy, but after Titley the route undulates gently, with no particularly hard climbs. Get a till receipt in Weobley from either the Willow Gallery – it’s open from 8 to 4:30, if you arrive earlier there’s a newsagent from 6 to 12, and there’s an all-day shop in the centre of the village. There are 3 PHs and a tearoom you could also use

The final stage (8) to Chepstow. Be aware of the level crossing before Much Dewchurch. From Wormlow Tump to Monmouth the road becomes a roller coaster, each climb becoming progressively harder. The final drop into Monmouth requires concentration, as does the navigation of the roundabout onto the A40. The leg to Tintern is virtually flat, but once you pass the Abbey ruins there’s a long drag to St Arvans. The drop into St Arvans will see you past the racecourse and drop down to the roundabout. I have seen this taken flat-out on a pushbike but please don’t try it your self. There’s one last rise to pop, then it’s down hill all the way back to the Bulwark Community Centre!!!!

I’m delighted that you’ve taken-up the challenge, and are embarking on this ride, what would delight me more is to see you complete it safely. I’m also eager for feedback – good or bad I don’t mind, as long as it’s constructive.


Mark Rigby
Bryan Chapman 600 Secretary.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: hellymedic on 27 April, 2010, 03:39:24 pm
There is a huge amount of knowledge, wisdom and <evidence of> hard work in that!
I'm appalled that some arrogant riders took exception.
If they don't appreciate it, there's always the round file for it.
What total pricks!

Reading it reminds me of of all the aspects of a long, hard Audax challenge.
I DNS the Bryan Chapman the only time I entered. I was up at work all night on the preceding Thursday and thought riding would have been unwise.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 27 April, 2010, 03:53:52 pm
Does anyone have a spare Severn View Travelodge bed for the Friday night before the ride?

Simon,
NonSeldom-snorer.

I'll go halves with you if you like...was going to go for monmouth but thinking about switching 'cos it'll mean i can go on the train.
cheap rooms have sold out now though unfortunately, currenlty £45...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 27 April, 2010, 03:59:13 pm
There is a huge amount of knowledge, wisdom and <evidence of> hard work in that!
I'm appalled that some arrogant riders took exception.
If they don't appreciate it, there's always the round file for it.
What total pricks!

Reading it reminds me of of all the aspects of a long, hard Audax challenge.
I DNS the Bryan Chapman the only time I entered. I was up at work all night on the preceding Thursday and thought riding would have been unwise.

Keep up the good work!


+1

Thanks Mark

Sound advice

I don't see what there is to get upset about.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 27 April, 2010, 03:59:52 pm
Sorry Ben, but I'm sorted now.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 27 April, 2010, 04:06:40 pm
There is a huge amount of knowledge, wisdom and <evidence of> hard work in that!
... Keep up the good work!


Agreed - all good stuff.

There's just one further point which I think may (should?) be interesting to riders - who was Bryan Chapman, and why is this ride his memorial? Many of these bits of folk wisdom get lost - or at least known only to the 'ancien(ne)s'. Many (most?) entrants won't know, which rather defeats the object of a 'memorial' ride.

NB - not intending to create extra work for Mark here - I'm sure there are others who could fill in the background.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 27 April, 2010, 04:09:48 pm
Sorry Ben, but I'm sorted now.

no probs. I presume you can actually get over the severn bridge on a bike? (only it's a m-way on google maps)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 27 April, 2010, 04:10:33 pm
I presume you can actually get over the severn bridge on a bike? (only it's a m-way on google maps)

Yes, cycle path either side but best to stay on the North side (both going to the start and coming back from the finish).

Hold on, let me do something on bikely...

Bicycle Path - SV to Bulwark at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/412986) (Zoom in on satellite view for maximum usefulness).

On leaving Severn View Services go right onto the cycle path just before the roundabout, follow this along with the M4 on your left all the way over the bridge.

Where the cycle path ends keep going and cross the feeder road to the A466/M48 roundabout and continue along the cycle path.

Some way along here there's a gap in the hedge to your right to cycle through to get on to Maple Avenue. Then it's the 4th right (Sycamore Ave) and follow it round to the right to the community centre.

Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 27 April, 2010, 04:19:26 pm
...
...I presume you can actually get over the severn bridge on a bike? (only it's a m-way on google maps)


upstream (N) side, same as the service station,  is best, as otherwise you end up going through a grotty, glass-strewn underpass

Edit: Greenbank's more comprehensive details crossed in the post
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 27 April, 2010, 04:49:45 pm
cheers Greeners  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: hellymedic on 27 April, 2010, 05:02:29 pm
There is a huge amount of knowledge, wisdom and <evidence of> hard work in that!
I'm appalled that some arrogant riders took exception.
If they don't appreciate it, there's always the round file for it.
What total pricks!

Reading it reminds me of of all the aspects of a long, hard Audax challenge.
I DNS the Bryan Chapman the only time I entered. I was up at work all night on the preceding Thursday and thought riding would have been unwise.

Keep up the good work!


+1

Thanks Mark

Sound advice

I don't see what there is to get upset about.

I do. I used the p**ck word.  ;)
 ;D

I'm not sorry either...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 27 April, 2010, 07:44:12 pm
A supremely useful guide which will turn itself into some highlighted notes on my route sheet.  Thanks Mark
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 27 April, 2010, 07:49:11 pm
Here goes, I'm about to post an entry.

Who's going to volunteer to help this year. Charlotte and co did a sterling job last year and didn't complain once about me getting in the way...at least, not to my face.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 27 April, 2010, 09:06:05 pm
A supremely useful guide which will turn itself into some highlighted notes on my route sheet.  Thanks Mark

Same here.  Though I've already laminated my route sheet, so it may be permanent marker over the top instead.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 27 April, 2010, 09:14:15 pm
Quote
Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth, and on to Harlech along the coast. This year you’ll turn right at Harlech onto the B4573, the route is marginally shorter and easier; you’ll also avoid two potentially hazardous level crossings.

This had me slightly confused - it's been this way for years, hasn't it?  Nothing changed recently?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 April, 2010, 09:16:54 pm
OOOps.  :-[

I've just noticed that the "Helpful Hints" actually refers to the Scenic route.

But fear not, 99% of the info (and sentiment) applies to the 2004 route as well, just the specifics like going through the Elan Valley applies to the scenic riders.

So follow your route sheet and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 27 April, 2010, 09:20:46 pm
Quote
Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth, and on to Harlech along the coast. This year you’ll turn right at Harlech onto the B4573, the route is marginally shorter and easier; you’ll also avoid two potentially hazardous level crossings.

This had me slightly confused - it's been this way for years, hasn't it?  Nothing changed recently?


Quite right SimonP. As I just posted, the notes posted were from a ride a few years ago, I picked the wrong set. It's the sentiment that needs to be followed, not the exact route as detailed in text.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 27 April, 2010, 09:23:23 pm
Quote
Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth, and on to Harlech along the coast. This year you’ll turn right at Harlech onto the B4573, the route is marginally shorter and easier; you’ll also avoid two potentially hazardous level crossings.

This had me slightly confused - it's been this way for years, hasn't it?  Nothing changed recently?


Quite right SimonP. As I just posted, the notes posted were from a ride a few years ago, I picked the wrong set. It's the sentiment that needs to be followed, not the exact route as detailed in text.

Ta - just checking I don't have to update my gpx file. :)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 27 April, 2010, 09:47:28 pm
Thanks for posting that - and for putting this ride on again. It was definitely a highlight of last year, well organised and we were very nicely looked after by the teams of volunteers. I'm looking forward to riding it again, and especially seeing what weather you've ordered this time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: chillmoister on 28 April, 2010, 06:51:51 am
this ride was definitely my highlight of last year and really looking forward to another Welsh adventure in a few weeks  :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: AikenDrum on 28 April, 2010, 09:28:18 am

There's just one further point which I think may (should?) be interesting to riders - who was Bryan Chapman, and why is this ride his memorial? Many of these bits of folk wisdom get lost - or at least known only to the 'ancien(ne)s'. Many (most?) entrants won't know, which rather defeats the object of a 'memorial' ride.

NB - not intending to create extra work for Mark here - I'm sure there are others who could fill in the background.

Track down a copy of Arrivee No 64 (Spring 1999) if you can. Bryan's story is told by Pat Aldridge on p.19. Basically, he (along with Pauline Porter) was the originator of the Chepstow-Anglesey-Chepstow 600 in 1984, and one of the early members of AUK. The ride was renamed in his memory after his death in 1989.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 28 April, 2010, 09:58:42 am

There's just one further point which I think may (should?) be interesting to riders - who was Bryan Chapman, and why is this ride his memorial? Many of these bits of folk wisdom get lost - or at least known only to the 'ancien(ne)s'. Many (most?) entrants won't know, which rather defeats the object of a 'memorial' ride.

NB - not intending to create extra work for Mark here - I'm sure there are others who could fill in the background.

Track down a copy of Arrivee No 64 (Spring 1999) if you can. Bryan's story is told by Pat Aldridge on p.19. Basically, he (along with Pauline Porter) was the originator of the Chepstow-Anglesey-Chepstow 600 in 1984, and one of the early members of AUK. The ride was renamed in his memory after his death in 1989.

Thanks for the info. Spring 99 was before my (audax) time, but I'll track down a copy.

Perhaps a 'sticky' with this info at the start of the BCM thread would be useful?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 28 April, 2010, 10:39:20 am
It did come up before but I think it was on ACF, not here, and so there's no trace of it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 28 April, 2010, 09:39:02 pm
...............................
Who's going to volunteer to help this year. Charlotte and co did a sterling job last year and didn't complain once about me getting in the way...at least, not to my face.

This BCM600 is turning into a bit of a "Have I Got News For You" event, a differant guest organiser every year.

Well this year's "head Honcho" will be ...........

So who do you think ?

First prize will be a free entry next year, second prize is free entry for the next two years, sorry no third prize - I maybe the guest organiser in three years time.

Remember I'm just the gopher.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 29 April, 2010, 10:58:51 am
John Durham  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 29 April, 2010, 12:48:31 pm
So who do you think ?

Gordon Brown might have a bit of free times on his hands towards the end of the month....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 29 April, 2010, 03:18:47 pm
John Durham  :-\

Jeeez, I've spent years of toil building-up this event in terms of happy bunnies ! ! ! !

Keep trying - no free entry for with that sort of attitude  :demon:.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 29 April, 2010, 03:21:05 pm
So who do you think ?

Gordon Brown might have a bit of free times on his hands towards the end of the month....

Not a hope - he would only be able to make the entry fees cover to Bedgellert

Keep guessing  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 29 April, 2010, 03:25:34 pm
Brian Blessed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 29 April, 2010, 03:27:25 pm
Michael 'hurricane' Fish ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 29 April, 2010, 03:31:08 pm
Levi Roots?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 29 April, 2010, 03:39:27 pm
Djamolidine Abdoujaparov
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 29 April, 2010, 11:28:46 pm
I never realised AUK had so many celebrated members - and they're all organisers as well?

Fantastic .
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 30 April, 2010, 07:32:25 am
Danilo "Head" Hondo?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 30 April, 2010, 09:24:22 am
Rocco?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 30 April, 2010, 09:49:21 am
Boris Johnson?

He is a cyclist, after all.

Here he is on a Sportive (I think).

(http://brooksportandleisure.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/_44952817_d66ab548-7b18-4516-8244-05e73675fd72.jpg)

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 30 April, 2010, 09:57:03 am
Boris Johnson?

a cyclist?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just check out the midriff, the flat rear tyre, the foot on pedal position, the saddle height, the helmet (lack of?)

SteveP
ABCC Coach/BC Club Coach
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 30 April, 2010, 10:12:52 am
... and yet he's still overtaken them all! All the Gear no Idea Looooosers !!!

;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Panoramix on 30 April, 2010, 12:45:15 pm
I have just sent my entry. With only 2 rides this year, it is probably madness!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 30 April, 2010, 12:53:00 pm
I've done my 200, 300 and 400 and still think it's madness.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 30 April, 2010, 12:58:19 pm
It's lovely madness though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 30 April, 2010, 09:13:24 pm
............................... it is probably madness!
Either an oximoron or a catch 22 situation ?? ?? ??

BACK TO THE REAL WORLD. I'm being PMed on a couple of specific points.

Is there a bag drop? and how big can the bag be Yes there's a bag drop at Dolgellau - because that's the 200 & 400 km point of the ride. And cyclists would probably need it here rather than Aberhafesp at 400 and about 60 more km.

Please make the bag as small as possible. Last year someone wanted a M198 Howitzer transported ::-). So not much else got moved to Dolgellau. Practically a bag 300mm by 400mm should be more than large enough for your needs. I ride this event with no back-up whatsoever, apart from what's in my Altura rack-pack, and have a real blast

The control at Dolgellau is Kings YHA, so you will probably get a bunk to sleep in, with sheets and duvet. I personally prefered the common room, as it was quieter and less like a scene from Blazing Saddles, or Snow White and the eight Dwarfs. So there's not really any point in sending a sleeping bag to Dolgellau, and anyway - some fast boy might get hold of it and fill it full of trumps before you get there  :o.

And remember, the more you carry on your bike - the faster you go down the hills  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 01 May, 2010, 10:21:43 am
A slightly muddled FB - my route sheet of a few weeks ago - seems to be as I remember last year ie as an example -I am routed thru Arthog after leaving Kings YHA - but the longish advisory text posted  a few pages ago - has us going right as we rejoin and then left across the estuary.

Looks to me as if I have an "old" route sheet - so to avoid confusion if I am trying to follow last years track - and some one else yells - wrong way - as I fail to take a turn- is there a 2010 route sheet / gps track anywhere ? I think last year i was using a Chris N track.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: red marley on 01 May, 2010, 10:38:25 am
FB - also a few pages ago...

Quote
Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth, and on to Harlech along the coast. This year you’ll turn right at Harlech onto the B4573, the route is marginally shorter and easier; you’ll also avoid two potentially hazardous level crossings.

This had me slightly confused - it's been this way for years, hasn't it?  Nothing changed recently?


Quite right SimonP. As I just posted, the notes posted were from a ride a few years ago, I picked the wrong set. It's the sentiment that needs to be followed, not the exact route as detailed in text.

I think you are safe with last year's route as a GPX.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 03 May, 2010, 12:21:41 pm
Got my routesheet today.  Will try to remember to bring it this time.  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 03 May, 2010, 02:16:16 pm
Got my routesheet today.  Will try to remember to bring it this time.  :)


2004?  Do you want a gpx route?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 03 May, 2010, 02:51:42 pm
Got my routesheet today.  Will try to remember to bring it this time.  :)


2004?  Do you want a gpx route?

Yep, 2004 route. Already got a gpx from 2008. Ta.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 04 May, 2010, 10:28:47 am
Just been looking through my spreadsheet where I log what rides I have done and have planned. Just noticed to my horror I have yet to actually enter this. Even though I've had rooms booked for months. DOH!!! Entry in the post tonight, hope I'm not too late.  :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 04 May, 2010, 10:38:26 am

BACK TO THE REAL WORLD. I'm being PMed on a couple of specific points.

Is there a bag drop? and how big can the bag be Yes there's a bag drop at Dolgellau - because that's the 200 & 400 km point of the ride. And cyclists would probably need it here rather than Aberhafesp at 400 and about 60 more km.

Please make the bag as small as possible. Last year someone wanted a M198 Howitzer transported ::-). So not much else got moved to Dolgellau. Practically a bag 300mm by 400mm should be more than large enough for your needs.

Thanks for this. I will be using the bag drop. Is there anything we can do to help you and the volunteers on this, such as a big label with our names clearly printed on to help reduce 400k grumpy panic?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 04 May, 2010, 10:46:39 am
Thanks for this. I will be using the bag drop. Is there anything we can do to help you and the volunteers on this, such as a big label with our names clearly printed on to help reduce 400k grumpy panic?

You should use a label, just in case, but I can't really see what help it'll be to the organisers.

It'll help you if your bag looks the same as 20 others (if everyone brings Altura panniers...).

The pile of bags for the bag drop simply gets taken to the YH and gently piled in the common room. It's your job to find yours when you get there. When the organisers are packing up they collect all of the bags and take them back to Bulwark and leave them in a pile for collection.

(Very grateful for this service, just in case this is read the wrong way...)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2010, 11:10:58 am
+1 - very useful service.  The number of bags involved when I used the facility wasn't a problem for finding mine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 04 May, 2010, 12:39:20 pm
I'm planning on hiding in my drop bag when I arrive at kings. Danial has offered to carry my brevet card round for a tenner
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 04 May, 2010, 12:52:12 pm
Excellent, I'm going to hide in your Brevet Card.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 04 May, 2010, 01:29:13 pm
Looking increasingly like I wont be riding now, and was really looking forward to it as well  :(

Knee injury being the cause. see other thread on Knee Injury.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 04 May, 2010, 02:50:12 pm
I'm planning on hiding in my drop bag when I arrive at kings. Danial has offered to carry my brevet card round for a tenner

Huh? We didn't get paid to take your card the rest of the way around the BC after you packed at Builth Wells  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 04 May, 2010, 03:21:27 pm
You aren't as mercenary as Danial  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: SteveB on 04 May, 2010, 06:51:03 pm
After I saw the recommendation earlier in  this thread and looking for somewhere to camp, I emailed the Upper Sedbury Farm early this morning and got no reply so I've just tried phoning them only to get a continuous "this phone is deceased" tone.  Does anyone know if they are still in business and just have a temporarily dead phone line?  Are there any other recommended campsites?  Thanks in anticipation, Steve Berry
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: thing1 on 04 May, 2010, 08:29:13 pm
After I saw the recommendation earlier in  this thread and looking for somewhere to camp, I emailed the Upper Sedbury Farm early this morning and got no reply so I've just tried phoning them only to get a continuous "this phone is deceased" tone.  Does anyone know if they are still in business and just have a temporarily dead phone line?  Are there any other recommended campsites?  Thanks in anticipation, Steve Berry

I hope they still exist, we're booked in to stay there before & after!
Just to check, the numbers on their headed paper are 01291 627173 / 07986 138875
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Salvatore on 04 May, 2010, 08:36:41 pm
After I saw the recommendation earlier in  this thread and looking for somewhere to camp, I emailed the Upper Sedbury Farm early this morning and got no reply so I've just tried phoning them only to get a continuous "this phone is deceased" tone.  Does anyone know if they are still in business and just have a temporarily dead phone line?  Are there any other recommended campsites?  Thanks in anticipation, Steve Berry

They were still in business yesterday morning when I left, and expecting a crowd for the BCM.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 04 May, 2010, 10:01:06 pm
Does anyone have a gpx of either the 2004 or Scenic routes please.

I'm always being promised a set, but they never seem to materialise.

If you could PM to me, I would be very grateful.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2010, 10:04:23 pm
Does anyone have a gpx of either the 2004 or Scenic routes please.

I'm always being promised a set, but they never seem to materialise.

If you could PM to me, I would be very grateful.

I have both - will email them when I next boot the pc. Think the 2004 version is better as I also have turn by turn waypoints in that.  The scenic is just a track. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: SteveB on 05 May, 2010, 06:40:14 pm
Ref Upper Sedbury Farm - I got through on their landline today and I have a pitch for my tent on Friday night.  Thanks for the replies.  Now it's just fingers crossed my entry posted on Friday got to Mark in time......
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 05 May, 2010, 09:52:48 pm
Ref Upper Sedbury Farm - I got through on their landline today and I have a pitch for my tent on Friday night.  Thanks for the replies.  Now it's just fingers crossed my entry posted on Friday got to Mark in time......

Well, it didn't really get to me in time - the closing date for entries was the 15th of May. But fortunately there were spaces, so your route sheet is on it's way back to you.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: thing1 on 05 May, 2010, 09:59:59 pm
Well, it didn't really get to me in time - the closing date for entries was the 15th of May. But fortunately there were spaces, so your route sheet is on it's way back to you.

4th May? I think we're riding it on the 15th  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 05 May, 2010, 10:13:09 pm
4th May? I think we're riding it on the 15th  ;D

Well spotted Pike. This time of year my calender is already two weeks out of sync, then does a complete meltdown when I try to ride my own events, just to see if conditions are as good as claimed in RRs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 07 May, 2010, 06:13:29 pm
How near to the event is it ok to be frightened (off) by metcheck's forecast.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 07 May, 2010, 06:18:34 pm
You're going to be spending close to 40 hours outside in Wales in May. What difference is the weather forecast going to make?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 07 May, 2010, 06:42:34 pm
You're going to be spending close to 40 hours outside in Wales in May. What difference is the weather forecast going to make?

If I thought I'd be spending that much time outdoors, there's no way I'd be riding.  Last time I rode, I finished in 37h45 (my fastest 600k) but I must have been on the bike for more like 24h.

Of course, that 24h was spread over close to 40h, but it could be dry for all of that time.  Couldn't it?  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 07 May, 2010, 06:47:24 pm
You're going to be spending close to 40 hours outside in Wales in May. What difference is the weather forecast going to make?

Obviously the weather forecast won't make any difference but the weather that's being forecast might.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 08 May, 2010, 07:36:01 pm
How near to the event is it ok to be frightened (off) by metcheck's forecast.

If I trusted Metcheck's long-range forcasts (or even their short-range ones) I'd never set foot outside my front door.

Metcheck seems to use some form of Automation to calculate their forecasts that bypasses human experience and therefore throws up some daft predictions.

After 4 years of Audaxing I now just about trust the Met Office and BBC to get the weather about right for the next day.  One week in advance is just too much for even the most powerful Cray computer.

My own prediction is:

Overcast with occasional  showers followed by heavy rain showers and gusty winds.  Temperatures dropping to near freezing overnight with occasional downpours.  Sleet over highground in Snowdonia and high winds.  Some sunny spells mixed with occasional light showers, gusty wind and heavy downpours on Sunday.

I didn't use a Cray for that by the way.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 08 May, 2010, 11:33:14 pm
How near to the event is it ok to be frightened (off) by metcheck's forecast.

If I trusted Metcheck's long-range forcasts (or even their short-range ones) I'd never set foot outside my front door.

Metcheck seems to use some form of Automation to calculate their forecasts that bypasses human experience and therefore throws up some daft predictions.

After 4 years of Audaxing I now just about trust the Met Office and BBC to get the weather about right for the next day.  One week in advance is just too much for even the most powerful Cray computer.

My own prediction is:

Overcast with occasional  showers followed by heavy rain showers and gusty winds.  Temperatures dropping to near freezing overnight with occasional downpours.  Sleet over highground in Snowdonia and high winds.  Some sunny spells mixed with occasional light showers, gusty wind and heavy downpours on Sunday.

I didn't use a Cray for that by the way.

Typical b----y 600 then
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 08 May, 2010, 11:43:29 pm
uk.weather.com say, for Builth Wells:

 15 May
Forecast

Partly Cloudy

High 12°C
Low 4°C
Chance of Precip.
20 %

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16 May
Forecast

Mostly Cloudy

High 12°C
Low 5°C
Chance of Precip.
20 %

I'll take that.  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Justin(e) on 09 May, 2010, 08:56:50 am
Google.Maps.com predicts there to be hills.  

Similar to last year.

Still cant be as bad as that other crazy ride over there.  Just imaging getting to the end of the BC and doing another 400.

C'est impossible.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 09 May, 2010, 09:07:04 am
How near to the event is it ok to be frightened (off) by metcheck's forecast.

It's ok there is a drying room at the YHA
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 May, 2010, 12:35:57 pm
Google.Maps.com predicts there to be hills.  

Yes, just checked it and you're correct, One fact most folk never seem to remember is : -

Wales has the same size surface area as England, it just has a smaller circumference
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 09 May, 2010, 01:11:36 pm
Is that so that it dries quicker?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 09 May, 2010, 05:18:02 pm
uk.weather.com say, for Builth Wells:

 15 May
Forecast

Partly Cloudy

High 12°C
Low 4°C
Chance of Precip.
20 %

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16 May
Forecast

Mostly Cloudy

High 12°C
Low 5°C
Chance of Precip.
20 %

I'll take that.  ;D


Me too

Google.Maps.com predicts there to be hills.  


I don't mind the hills - just got a shiny new 30 tooth sprocket giving me 30% more gears than I've had the last couple of months - Luxury
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 09 May, 2010, 08:50:52 pm
Google.Maps.com predicts there to be hills.  

Similar to last year.

Still cant be as bad as that other crazy ride over there.  Just imaging getting to the end of the BC and doing another 400.

C'est impossible.

Oh no it's not.

Ask Toby.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jules on 10 May, 2010, 03:01:26 pm
I'm going to come first in an Audax!

I'm declaring myself to be the first to DNS the Bryan Chapman 2010 as I've been off the bike for the past three weeks and have decided that 9800m of climbing probably isn't what I want to be doing at present.

I'm planning a nice short ride to the seaside on the Denmead 400 instead.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2010, 03:10:50 pm
I'm going to come first in an Audax!

I'm declaring myself to be the first to DNS the Bryan Chapman 2010 as I've been off the bike for the past three weeks and have decided that 9800m of climbing probably isn't what I want to be doing at present.

I'm planning a nice short ride to the seaside on the Denmead 400 instead.

Which version of the route is that?!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 10 May, 2010, 03:15:40 pm
The Mapsource version?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2010, 03:30:19 pm
The Mapsource version?

Ah! :)

Direct routing over the top of Snowdon. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jules on 10 May, 2010, 05:51:57 pm
Ok 8300m not 9800m - it's still quite a lot.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2010, 06:13:25 pm
Ok 8300m not 9800m - it's still quite a lot.

My GPS claims 7000m. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 10 May, 2010, 08:06:32 pm
I'm in. Not ridden farther than 300km since 2008. But hey!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 10 May, 2010, 08:10:23 pm
I'm in. Not ridden farther than 300km since 2008. But hey!


That's the spirit!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2010, 08:22:38 pm
I'm in. Not ridden farther than 300km since 2008. But hey!


Ah, my tow to Bronllys!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 10 May, 2010, 08:28:30 pm
After my disastrous performance in the Severn Across I need to reassure myself that I can still go the distance - not sure the BCM is the ideal choice for testing that!  So if anyone else wants to join me the Lanterne Rouge gruppetto starts here.

Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 10 May, 2010, 08:56:59 pm
I'm staying at Travelodge. Will be heading over to Chepstow for dinner. If you fancy a lift?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 10 May, 2010, 08:59:52 pm
Ah, my tow to Bronllys!

Going by your apparent form around the End of Hibernation, I was rather hoping it'd be the reverse!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: red marley on 10 May, 2010, 09:54:26 pm
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 10 May, 2010, 10:04:58 pm
The White Hart at Littleton is better - absolutely superb in fact, and a short ride from Aust, and there's always Caer Tewdric, eminently rideable if anyone fancies popping across here for a pint and bite to eat.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 10 May, 2010, 10:17:54 pm
I'm declaring myself to be the first to DNS the Bryan Chapman 2010 as I've been off the bike for the past three weeks and have decided that 9800m of climbing probably isn't what I want to be doing at present.


3 weeks rest after riding the Severn Across is ideal preparation I would've thought.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 10 May, 2010, 10:23:43 pm
You know what... as it Tuesday tomorrow Id better sort out some accommodation. With the near freezing temperatures forecast sounds like a perfect night for camping, where's number?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 10 May, 2010, 10:47:54 pm
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.

That's a good idea.  I'm getting to Bristol Parkway quite early this time - 16:39.  I'll have time to kill. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 10 May, 2010, 10:49:30 pm
You know what... as it Tuesday tomorrow Id better sort out some accommodation. With the near freezing temperatures forecast sounds like a perfect night for camping, where's number?

same place as last year?


Upper Sedbury House, Sedbury, Chepstow
 (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html)

i'll be there about 6-ish
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 10 May, 2010, 11:02:17 pm
If anybody finds themselves near the Ostrich on Friday night, it looks as though we'll be dining there.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 11 May, 2010, 08:29:25 am
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.

That's a good idea.  I'm getting to Bristol Parkway quite early this time - 16:39.  I'll have time to kill. :)


I'd be up for meeting there too. I'm staying at the Cribbs Causeway Travelodge which is only a couple of clicks away.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 11 May, 2010, 09:30:48 am
Anyone we know from YACF helping out at the YHA this year?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2010, 02:12:43 pm
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.
Really?!? I thought the Boars Head was lovely - good beer anyway, I was too late for food, but it looked nice. Other BC400 riders stayed there, but all went to bed before I arrived.
A short walk from the Travelodge.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2010, 02:19:55 pm
Ah, my tow to Bronllys!

Going by your apparent form around the End of Hibernation, I was rather hoping it'd be the reverse!

I was helping that day - so I am not sure that tells us much. :)

I've done my fastest 300 on The Dean, my fastest Elenith and my fastest 400 on the Brevet Cymru since then, so I think it's reasonable to assume my form is at least as good as 2008, though. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 11 May, 2010, 02:21:13 pm
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.
Really?!? I thought the Boars Head was lovely - good beer anyway, I was too late for food, but it looked nice. Other BC400 riders stayed there, but all went to bed before I arrived.
A short walk from the Travelodge.

Food was great too. I'll be back there again on Friday I'm sure. Hard to argue with the travellodge at £9.95 per night for a double room and the boars head a short walk away.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 11 May, 2010, 02:32:33 pm
Who else will be savouring the delights of the Severn View travelodge on the Friday night?  The food selection there wasn't impressive when I stopped off a few weeks ago. I'd be interested if anyone knows of anywhere else worth eating within walking distance....

I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.
Really?!? I thought the Boars Head was lovely - good beer anyway, I was too late for food, but it looked nice. Other BC400 riders stayed there, but all went to bed before I arrived.
A short walk from the Travelodge.

Are you riding this year Mr C?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 11 May, 2010, 04:25:41 pm
Nope. To get round the MC1K I need the inspiration of great scenery I haven't seen in a while. But I'll be back ... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 11 May, 2010, 04:42:04 pm
Anyone else slumming it at The Beaufort this weekend?

If so I'll be rolling out around 5.20 to the start.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 11 May, 2010, 05:24:03 pm
I'm staying at the Cribbs Causeway Travelodge which is only a couple of clicks away.

I'm at that travelodge on Friday night, maybe meet up in the morning to ride in?
I'll be arriving late though - intend leaving home around 7pm to ride the 140km to the 'lodge. I reckon about 20km to the start from there, so will probably leave about 4:30-ish in order to get there in time to eat as much of Mark's food as possible.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Rhys W on 11 May, 2010, 06:27:09 pm
Speaking as someone whose audax experience is a couple of 100s, you guys are hardcore. Riding 160km to get to the start of a 600km event. Respect is due. I hope the weather is good and say hello to my friend George (she's a gurl, btw).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: red marley on 11 May, 2010, 06:27:31 pm
I'll be at the Travelodge on Friday night too. Not quite within walking distance, but if you are cycling from Bristol Parkway, you can stop off at the Bowl Inn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Almondsbury,+Bristol&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=16.052594,40.605469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Almondsbury,+Bristol,+Avon,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.554584,-2.572819&spn=0.01657,0.039654&z=15&layer=c&cbll=51.554637,-2.572669&panoid=Bsz6jR2jX7ktwcojIiVkBg&cbp=12,113.26,,0,6.83) near Almondsbury for an evening meal. Friendly, and cheapish pub food. I ate there last year before the Brian Chapman with Peter Marshall. Certainly much better than anything Aust has to offer.
Really?!? I thought the Boars Head was lovely - good beer anyway, I was too late for food, but it looked nice. Other BC400 riders stayed there, but all went to bed before I arrived.
A short walk from the Travelodge.

Apologies. I've not been to the Boar's Head. My judgment was clouded by the Aust (Severn View) services range of food options.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Panoramix on 11 May, 2010, 06:50:34 pm
I am a definitely taking part and getting really excited now despite my lack of preparation. I haven't crossed the Welsh border since October 09 and nearly forgot about scenery.

Will ride to the start from home (East Bristol), leaving @ 4.30.

I can provide sleeping space if somebody need some.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JohnHamilton on 11 May, 2010, 07:39:30 pm
Entered but have been prevaricating since missing the Brevet Cymru. Looks like I'll have to get the tent out and head for Upper Sedbury unless anyone's got a room to share at the Travelodge.

EDIT + Sunday. Engineering work means I've no chance of getting home on Sunday night.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 11 May, 2010, 08:15:31 pm
I'm staying at the Cribbs Causeway Travelodge which is only a couple of clicks away.

I'm at that travelodge on Friday night, maybe meet up in the morning to ride in?
I'll be arriving late though - intend leaving home around 7pm to ride the 140km to the 'lodge. I reckon about 20km to the start from there, so will probably leave about 4:30-ish in order to get there in time to eat as much of Mark's food as possible.

I'm not as nutty hardcore as you so I will be driving to the Travelodge. I don't want to leave my car there (and I am also staying at Severn View on the Sunday night) so I will be driving to the start and leaving it at the hall as per last year. You're more than welcome to a lift to the start if that doesn't smack too much of girlishness!  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 11 May, 2010, 08:45:36 pm
Boar's Head in Aust for me.

Food and Beer are perfectly fine and it's nice to have a walk there and back.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 11 May, 2010, 10:27:09 pm
You know what... as it Tuesday tomorrow Id better sort out some accommodation. With the near freezing temperatures forecast sounds like a perfect night for camping, where's number?

same place as last year?


Upper Sedbury House, Sedbury, Chepstow
 (http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/hotels/uppersed.html)

i'll be there about 6-ish

A-Ha!  Same place as I'm staying.

Except I'll be in a bed, as a clubmate had a double room booked, and I never sleep well in a tent on the first night.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mukkinese on 12 May, 2010, 09:03:14 am
Is it possible to leave stuff at the start over the weekend? I'm wondering what to do with my tent and sleeping bag.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 09:11:28 am
I expect so

You could always leave it someone's car if not.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2010, 09:20:57 am
Is it possible to leave stuff at the start over the weekend? I'm wondering what to do with my tent and sleeping bag.

There's a room which isn't normally used, or a corner in the hall. Should be OK for that.

Tents have been left standing on the grass around he back of the hall, and survived - I was amazed, but the owners un-fazed. (I'm a poet but didn't know it ;D)


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2010, 09:26:34 am
The "Guess the organiser" competition has now closed, and amazingly - no-one correctly identified the guest organiser at Dolgellau.

So I can give them a free entry for next year's event instead.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 12 May, 2010, 09:36:33 am
Is it Duffers?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 12 May, 2010, 09:43:17 am
Is it the ghost of Hubert Opperman?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 12 May, 2010, 10:03:51 am
Is it Douglas Bader?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Paul D on 12 May, 2010, 10:19:42 am
Jack Eason?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 12 May, 2010, 10:42:23 am
Silly question, but as I didn't make it to Dolgellau last year I have no idea what's available there? In terms of food I mean.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 10:44:23 am
Lots :)

Full catering service at the YH both ways, plus breakfast after you've had a sleep
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 10:44:33 am
Not sure if this of use to anyone but thought I would put it up here for reference.

This is a list of places off controls that you should be able to get food based on using Google Street View.

Exiting Bronllys, petrol station for snacks before the control.
Rhayader, Coffee shop on R entering town. Newsagents after crossroads.
Llangurig - Village Shop
Ponterwyd - Petrol Station
Machynlleth - Petrol Station on way out.
Barmouth - Assorted shops
Llanbedr - Village Stores
Harlech - Shops and chippy
Penrhyndeudraeth - Spar til 11pm
Beddgelert - Chippy L after bridge
Llanberis - Some shops, no sign of listed petrol station
B4547 - Petrol station about two miles along
A470 at A4212 - Prysor Service Station
Mallwyd - A458 - Service Station with cafe
Plas Llysyn - Spar
Caersws - Minor Diversion - Petrol Station
Newtown - Shops, 24hr garage etc
Knighton - Shops, Cafes
A480 - Wyevale Garden Centre  continue off route and then take A480 to Bridge Sollers and rejoin route.

I've included places that are close to manned controls for picking up portable supplies if needed. I make no guarantee of places being open, particularly in Wales on a Sunday. Also the checking was based on the bikely route provided by Mr. Greenbank so may not be applicable if this is not the route now taken.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 12 May, 2010, 10:48:14 am
That makes it look amazingly civilised.  Don't bank on getting anything anywhere between Menai and Dolgellau on the return, then nothing again for several tens of miles.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 10:48:57 am
On the last 30 k you have shops/cafes in Monmouth, plus shops at Redbrook, Llandogo  and Tintern if you're in time. Otherwise, loads of pubs.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 10:49:49 am
That makes it look amazingly civilised.  Don't bank on getting anything anywhere between Menai and Dolgellau on the return, then nothing again for several tens of miles.

+1

There's just nothing open, as Tewdric says.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 12 May, 2010, 10:51:04 am
Lots :)

Full catering service at the YH both ways, plus breakfast after you've had a sleep

Cheers for that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 10:53:19 am
That makes it look amazingly civilised.  Don't bank on getting anything anywhere between Menai and Dolgellau on the return, then nothing again for several tens of miles.

That's why I only put the A4212 sevice station on there. I very much doubt it will be open but those very early or very late might be in luck.

This is also to serve as a reminder that those little places on maps are just a wide point in the road and to make sure food and water is onboard before tackling those stretches. As I've said before, I have a habit of thinking that I can just push on to the next place unladen, often ill advisedly.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 10:55:12 am
On the last 30 k you have shops/cafes in Monmouth, plus shops at Redbrook, Llandogo  and Tintern if you're in time. Otherwise, loads of pubs.

Yeah, I figured that the density of services meant that it really didn't need to be scouted. I don't expect to be caught in deep bonk on that section.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jasmine on 12 May, 2010, 11:33:50 am
Not sure if this of use to anyone but thought I would put it up here for reference.

This is a list of places off controls that you should be able to get food based on using Google Street View.

Exiting Bronllys, petrol station for snacks before the control.
Rhayader, Coffee shop on R entering town. Newsagents after crossroads.
Llangurig - Village Shop  Has bizarre opening hours.  I think it shuts at lunchtime.  There's a couple of pubs though
Ponterwyd - Petrol Station  Red kite cafe on right at 1.2 mile after Ponterwyd, Nant yr Arian forestry centre has a cafe about a mile after that
Machynlleth - Petrol Station on way out.  Quite a few shops/cafes if needed
Barmouth - Assorted shops  And an ice cream and doughnut van.
Llanbedr - Village Stores
Harlech - Shops and chippy 
Penrhyndeudraeth - Spar til 11pm
Beddgelert - Chippy L after bridge 
Llanberis - Some shops, no sign of listed petrol station  Pete's Eats!!!  There's a spar or co-op in the village as well
B4547 - Petrol station about two miles along
A mile detour will also get you to the 24 hour Tesco in Bangor at the roundabout after Y Felinheli.  Sunday trading hours still apply though.  There's a Waitrose opposite the control in Menai Bridge.

A470 at A4212 - Prysor Service Station
Mallwyd - A458 - Service Station with cafe
Plas Llysyn - Spar
Caersws - Minor Diversion - Petrol Station
Newtown - Shops, 24hr garage etc
Knighton - Shops, Cafes
A480 - Wyevale Garden Centre  continue off route and then take A480 to Bridge Sollers and rejoin route.

I've included places that are close to manned controls for picking up portable supplies if needed. I make no guarantee of places being open, particularly in Wales on a Sunday. Also the checking was based on the bikely route provided by Mr. Greenbank so may not be applicable if this is not the route now taken.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mukkinese on 12 May, 2010, 11:45:16 am
Is it possible to leave stuff at the start over the weekend? I'm wondering what to do with my tent and sleeping bag.

There's a room which isn't normally used, or a corner in the hall. Should be OK for that.

Tents have been left standing on the grass around he back of the hall, and survived - I was amazed, but the owners un-fazed. (I'm a poet but didn't know it ;D)




Many many thanks. I'd better sort out some accommodation and travel then.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 12:01:36 pm
Jasmine, thanks for the additions.

Pete's Eats closes at 8pm and the Tesco will close at 10pm (I think for Sunday trading).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 12 May, 2010, 12:31:14 pm
A few others:

Petrol station and Little Chef in Builth - turn left at the roundabout opposite the Royal Welsh Showground, towards the town centre.  It's on the left, 50m from the roundabout.

There's another cafe on the left in Rhayader, at the crossroads, and if you turn left at the crossroads there's a Spar 25m down on the left.

Halfway between Rhayader and Llangurig there's a portakabin cafe in a layby.  I think Charlotte and Julian stopped there a couple of years ago.

Don't bother with the Red Kite Cafe on the A470, it's grim.  If you need to stop, go to the visitor centre at Nant yr Arian instead - only a mile or so further on.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2010, 12:50:31 pm
Jasmine, thanks for the additions.

What additions?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 12 May, 2010, 12:51:42 pm
Jasmine, thanks for the additions.

What additions?

The extra pink text in this post: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30050.msg619557#msg619557)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2010, 12:56:12 pm
Oh, I see - or rather I can barely see it! (perhaps this is connected to girls liking pink more than boys do)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 12 May, 2010, 01:15:42 pm
Llangurig - Village Shop
there is also a pub in llangurig which is open late sat nights, and (might) have beds, i know 'cos i retired in there on packing last years cambrian
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 12 May, 2010, 01:37:25 pm
Bike shops in Builth and Rhayder.  (And probably elsewhere on the route).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 01:42:41 pm
Llangurig - Village Shop
there is also a pub in llangurig which is open late sat nights, and (might) have beds, i know 'cos i retired in there on packing last years cambrian

I don't imagine that I'll be in Llangurig on Sat night unless I stop at the pup for lunch and things decline from there. Do you know what they have on tap.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2010, 01:45:24 pm
Fantastic that so many places have been noted on the route.

There's a shop in Llanbrynmair - useful for day two, this is a life saver for me - and personally speaking the only shop I use on the entire route barring controls (or their substitutes).

It's dead easy to miss, but as you're in Llanbrynmair, take the b-road RIGHT turn signed Staylittle. and it's imm on the right.
They do hot and cold stuff.

It's also about half way between Dolgellau and Aberhafesp controls. Which gives a boost to reserves after they've taken a pounding from the rise out of Dolgellau.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 12 May, 2010, 01:47:55 pm
Llangurig - Village Shop
there is also a pub in llangurig which is open late sat nights, and (might) have beds, i know 'cos i retired in there on packing last years cambrian

I don't imagine that I'll be in Llangurig on Sat night unless I stop at the pup for lunch and things decline from there. Do you know what they have on tap.
er... Beer, can't remember what sort I'm afraid but I would hazard a guess that a pint of it might not render you too incapacitated to continue [if you aren't already incapacitated], if that's any help.
I think there may also have been a mangy dog on the floor but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 12 May, 2010, 01:53:18 pm

er... Beer, can't remember what sort I'm afraid but I would hazard a guess that a pint of it might not render you too incapacitated to continue [if you aren't already incapacitated], if that's any help.
I think there may also have been a mangy dog on the floor but don't quote me on that.


If it's the same one as (GRHS) Graham Mills used as an info on his Welsh festival 200 in 2006, then it's a Courage PH - so don't expect too much.

How sad's that, remembering a 4-year old info.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 01:59:12 pm
There's a shop in Llanbrynmair - useful for day two, this is a life saver for me - and personally speaking the only shop I use on the entire route barring controls (or their substitutes).

It would seem that I have also managed to miss the cafe in the same village. It's at the Machinations museum of automation and open all year round 9.30 to 4.30, which should suit some riders.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 12 May, 2010, 03:50:50 pm
I have entered this year's 2004 route (aka 'non-scenic') of the BCM. Having my route sheet not in front of I am wondering whether this bikely track (Bicycle Path - Audax Bryan Chapman 2004 route at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route)) is the 2004 route for 2010? I am asking because I'd like to transfer the ride on my GPS. Or is there anywhere else a GPS track of the route?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 12 May, 2010, 04:15:33 pm
There's a shop in Llanbrynmair - useful for day two, this is a life saver for me - and personally speaking the only shop I use on the entire route barring controls (or their substitutes).

It would seem that I have also managed to miss the cafe in the same village. It's at the Machinations museum of automation and open all year round 9.30 to 4.30, which should suit some riders.
That's (a tough) 43km from Dol' YHA (which closes at 0824), and another 22k to the next control. Useful.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 12 May, 2010, 04:22:45 pm
I'm at that travelodge on Friday night, maybe meet up in the morning to ride in?
I'll be arriving late though - intend leaving home around 7pm to ride the 140km to the 'lodge. I reckon about 20km to the start from there, so will probably leave about 4:30-ish in order to get there in time to eat as much of Mark's food as possible.

I'm not as nutty hardcore as you so I will be driving to the Travelodge. I don't want to leave my car there (and I am also staying at Severn View on the Sunday night) so I will be driving to the start and leaving it at the hall as per last year. You're more than welcome to a lift to the start if that doesn't smack too much of girlishness!  ;D

Ah, OK. I thought you were taking the train as the discussions had been around cycling from Bristol. Thanks for the offer, but I'll ride in (unless something goes wrong, in which case you may find me sitting by your car hoping for a lift!)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 04:30:38 pm
It would seem that I have also managed to miss the cafe in the same village. It's at the Machinations museum of automation and open all year round 9.30 to 4.30, which should suit some riders.
That's (a tough) 43km from Dol' YHA (which closes at 0824), and another 22k to the next control. Useful.
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Those details are taken from their website and I accept no responsibility for their accuracy. I've still got my fingers crossed though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 12 May, 2010, 05:08:30 pm
Fantastic that so many places have been noted on the route.

There's a shop in Llanbrynmair - useful for day two, this is a life saver for me - and personally speaking the only shop I use on the entire route barring controls (or their substitutes).

It's dead easy to miss, but as you're in Llanbrynmair, take the b-road left turn to Staylittle. and it's imm on the right.
They do hot and cold stuff.


You mean turn RIGHT to Staylittle ?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 May, 2010, 05:13:56 pm
He does. I didn't spot that. Clearly an indicator not to suck my wheel. Let me suck yours and I'll call out the food stops as they come up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 12 May, 2010, 05:15:10 pm
Let me suck yours and I'll call out the food stops as they come up.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 06:15:35 pm
I have entered this year's 2004 route (aka 'non-scenic') of the BCM. Having my route sheet not in front of I am wondering whether this bikely track (Bicycle Path - Audax Bryan Chapman 2004 route at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route)) is the 2004 route for 2010?

 Not quite

The difference is between Usk and Crickhowell on the first stage - that track follows the older route through Abergavenny and straight down the A40; the current route deviates in Llanfair Kilgeddin and goes through Llanfair Cross and Llanellen to Llanfoist, Govillon and Gilwern, then crosses the bridge at Crickhowell to pick up the old route along the A40.

Apart from that I think it's the same...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian gaggiaport on 12 May, 2010, 06:33:57 pm
Please avoid the red kite cafe.
I stopped there last year.
it's truly horrendous , disgusting food served by a man with filthy hands.
He also made me wait 45 mins because he could not give me change for a tenner.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 12 May, 2010, 09:05:08 pm
Thanks for the Info! :thumbsup:

I have entered this year's 2004 route (aka 'non-scenic') of the BCM. Having my route sheet not in front of I am wondering whether this bikely track (Bicycle Path - Audax Bryan Chapman 2004 route at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route)) is the 2004 route for 2010?
The difference is between Usk and Crickhowell on the first stage - that track follows the older route through Abergavenny and straight down the A40; the current route deviates in Llanfair Kilgeddin and goes through Llanfair Cross and Llanellen to Llanfoist, Govillon and Gilwern, then crosses the bridge at Crickhowell to pick up the old route along the A40.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Panoramix on 12 May, 2010, 10:55:18 pm
I have entered this year's 2004 route (aka 'non-scenic') of the BCM. Having my route sheet not in front of I am wondering whether this bikely track (Bicycle Path - Audax Bryan Chapman 2004 route at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route)) is the 2004 route for 2010?

 Not quite

The difference is between Usk and Crickhowell on the first stage - that track follows the older route through Abergavenny and straight down the A40; the current route deviates in Llanfair Kilgeddin and goes through Llanfair Cross and Llanellen to Llanfoist, Govillon and Gilwern, then crosses the bridge at Crickhowell to pick up the old route along the A40.

Apart from that I think it's the same...

 ??? my routesheet follow the bikely track (B4598)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 12 May, 2010, 11:15:34 pm
It does.

Sorry - it's reverted back.

The Bikely track is correct :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 12 May, 2010, 11:43:38 pm
I wondered what it looked like in daylight (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pen+y+pass&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.860836,39.418945&ie=UTF8&hq=Pen-y-pass&hnear=Pen-y-Pass,+Caernarfon,+LL55+4NY,+UK&ll=53.077089,-4.010505&spn=0,0.003422&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.077089,-4.010505&panoid=q1SUfu6EZP-PIbK9QsnBng&cbp=12,143.92,,0,15.23)

Drag the little orange chap to the road and take a look.

I wish I was quick enough to get there in daylight.  last year all the views seemed to be in cloud (along with me)

I remember being at the start of the climb, looking up towards this spot and asking Pompey Phil whether the red lights in the sky were planes.  "Unfortunately not" he replied "They are Audaxers".

Some time later I had the rewarding view of looking back down at white LEDs on the ascent.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 13 May, 2010, 12:58:12 am
You really need to do the Irish Mail if John runs it next year - you do that bit of road in the afternoon, which is much more pleasant.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 13 May, 2010, 05:48:58 am
Or the Snowdon and Coast in June

Jun 12 - Upton Magna 405 - (AAA 2)  (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/calsolo.php?Ride=10-501)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 13 May, 2010, 07:00:23 am
In terms of places one can  find relief, I recommend 'Domanix' in Newtown should you need a moment or two to yourself.

I found the YHA  too busy; you are no sooner sat down enjoying a copy of Health & Efficiency when that Ian H is banging on the door asking are you going to be long as they are trying to close the control and have you got someone in there with you.

Domanix have 5 private cubicles that are very comfy and they don't charge per sheet like some other places I could mention.

Hope this helps.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JohnHamilton on 13 May, 2010, 07:10:26 am
You really need to do the Irish Mail if John runs it next year - you do that bit of road in the afternoon, which is much more pleasant.
Oh, I should think it'll be on. Week after the BCM is pencilled in the diary.

At least going up you stand half a chance of getting there in daylight. When that top loop was the other way round it was definitely going to be dark. And the descent of Nant Gwynant is much less fun in the dark.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 13 May, 2010, 08:34:48 am
Thanks Panoramix and MV for helping me here  :thumbsup: - esp. considering that this is something I could've done myself (if I was a bit more patient)... :facepalm:

I have entered this year's 2004 route (aka 'non-scenic') of the BCM. Having my route sheet not in front of I am wondering whether this bikely track (Bicycle Path - Audax Bryan Chapman 2004 route at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Audax-Bryan-Chapman-2004-route)) is the 2004 route for 2010?
Not quite
The difference is between Usk and Crickhowell on the first stage - that track follows the older route through Abergavenny and straight down the A40; the current route deviates in Llanfair Kilgeddin and goes through Llanfair Cross and Llanellen to Llanfoist, Govillon and Gilwern, then crosses the bridge at Crickhowell to pick up the old route along the A40.
Apart from that I think it's the same...
??? my routesheet follow the bikely track (B4598)
It does.
Sorry - it's reverted back.
The Bikely track is correct :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 13 May, 2010, 09:08:04 am
Well, it's thursday so I just about trust the weather-forecast for Saturday and it looks about as good as I could have hoped for.

Not exactly hot as such, 13-14C during the day, but it looks (mainly) dry throughout with 7C-8C minimums during the night which makes life a lot more bearable.

Mostly NW winds may mean a struggle to, and up, the coast on Saturday but a push all the way home.



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: thing1 on 13 May, 2010, 09:16:57 am
Mostly NW winds may mean a struggle to, and up, the coast on Saturday but a push all the way home.

And anyway, it's all down hill on the way back, right?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 13 May, 2010, 09:17:52 am
Not sure if this of use to anyone but thought I would put it up here for reference.

This is a list of places off controls that you should be able to get food based on using Google Street View.

Exiting Bronllys, petrol station for snacks before the control.
There is a cafe called "the halt" I think which is just before the turn for the scenic on the road to Rhayader
Quote
Rhayader, Coffee shop on R entering town. Newsagents after crossroads.
Llangurig - Village Shop
There is a bizarre garage just after Llangurig that has hand painted signs and plants for sale outside.
It does Lucazade and stuff like that as well
There is also at least one cafe along this road (A44)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 13 May, 2010, 09:34:12 am
Mostly NW winds may mean a struggle to, and up, the coast on Saturday but a push all the way home.

I doubt it will be too much of a struggle, the winds are forecast to be only 10-12mph. Also; as it's Wales, we'll be sheltered on the leeward side of mountains.

It'll be fine!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 13 May, 2010, 09:35:59 am
There is a bizarre garage just after Llangurig that has hand painted signs and plants for sale outside.
It does Lucazade and stuff like that as well
There is also at least one cafe along this road (A44)

That was a 150km control on the Two Transporter Bridges (?) 600km I believe. I sure needed a Tr'Dol fryup by the time I got there. A Mars bar and a lucozade sitting on the pavement just didn't cut it...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 13 May, 2010, 09:38:03 am
You may wonder why I have not mentioned 'Nice n Naughty' in Menai?

Unfortunately, they will not be open at the time most riders arrive but I know that Postie is shunning the Scenic to get there in good time to get first crack at 'Anthea', the community inflatable lady.

Best get your skates on IMHO or take your chances with a discarded jacket potato in the YHA.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 13 May, 2010, 09:38:26 am
Mostly NW winds may mean a struggle to, and up, the coast on Saturday but a push all the way home.

I doubt it will be too much of a struggle, the winds are forecast to be only 10-12mph. Also; as it's Wales, we'll be sheltered on the leeward side of mountains.

Unless of course you're riding up the valley's between them in which case the wind will be funnelled straight into your face (well, it was last year...).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 13 May, 2010, 09:43:45 am
Unless of course you're riding up the valley's between them in which case the wind will be funnelled straight into your face (well, it was last year...).

Yes. That too. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 13 May, 2010, 10:09:59 am
There is a bizarre garage just after Llangurig that has hand painted signs and plants for sale outside.
It does Lucazade and stuff like that as well
There is also at least one cafe along this road (A44)

That was a 150km control on the Two Transporter Bridges (?) 600km I believe. I sure needed a Tr'Dol fryup by the time I got there. A Mars bar and a lucozade sitting on the pavement just didn't cut it...

Yes, I thought it was that one (A Bridge Too Far - my first 600). Luckily I'd been riding with someone whose home patch it was, and we'd stopped at a cafe not much earlier for some proper food, so the garage control was fine for a quick snack.
They'd also make you a cup of coffee, using a kettle and normal coffee rather than a paper cup out of a machine. An interesting place, very olde worlde.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 May, 2010, 02:18:11 pm
Is it Duffers?

No it's not Duffers - but I might collar him next year, after all he is at the AGM evey year.

Claire will be in charge at the first control.

Peter & Barbara Holden - organisers of The Heart of England 300, will be at Dolgellau. Along with Ritchie, Jules, Claire, Claire, Ellie, Jethro & Carol.

At Menai will be Doreen Lindsey and her team. Doreen won't be able to stay the whole time - as she has sustained nasty foot injury. So probably will only be able to tend to the faster riders. But the rest of the team there are looking forward to your visit.

At Aberhafesp will be Graham & Brian. No doubt aided by some of the Golgellau team as they make their way back

And one of the  8) est guys in AUK - Iddu, will be waiting for you at Arrivee
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 13 May, 2010, 02:30:30 pm
And one of the 8) est guys in AUK - Iddu, will be waiting for you at Arrivee

Ha Ha Ha BONK - Monitor's covered in tea now, GIT! ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 13 May, 2010, 02:46:31 pm
So does this mean you will be riding it this year Blacksheep?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 13 May, 2010, 03:03:43 pm
So does this mean you will be riding it this year Blacksheep?

Not if I'm cleaning-up after all of you at the start control, and then helping at the first control.

To quote GWB or his pop, or mabe even one of their puppets. "At a time of our own choosing" - better make that the boss's.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 13 May, 2010, 06:59:31 pm
Boar's Head in Aust for me.

Food and Beer are perfectly fine and it's nice to have a walk there and back.

It seems the consensus is the Boar's Head in Aust then. What time are people planning to get there?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 13 May, 2010, 10:48:16 pm
Sounds good to me. having had a pretty frenetic week at work (blame the Greeks and Vince Cable!) I;'m going to need a pretty early night on Friday to stand any chance of getting around in one piece so am up for an early meal.  Expect to get to the Travelodge at about 6pm.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: cyclone on 13 May, 2010, 11:55:31 pm
have a good ride one and all! May cross your paths as we head up to the Smallholders show at Builth (Annual pilgrimage) - Driving sorry.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 14 May, 2010, 12:10:05 am
Boar's Head in Aust for me.

Food and Beer are perfectly fine and it's nice to have a walk there and back.

It seems the consensus is the Boar's Head in Aust then. What time are people planning to get there?

I will get to the Travelodge around 5.30-6, all being well - I might head down to the pub around 7, maybe earlier if I feel peckish.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 14 May, 2010, 09:03:51 am

The night before a 600, you should be in bed at midnight not arsing around on yafc
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 09:09:36 am
have a good ride one and all! May cross your paths as we head up to the Smallholders show at Builth (Annual pilgrimage) - Driving sorry.... :thumbsup:

ah, that's a good tip

That suggests that the A470 to Builth may be busy - it usually is if there's an event on at the RWSG


Maybe it's a cue to take the Boughrood road instead....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2010, 09:14:14 am
Anyone with any sense takes the boughrood road anyway
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 14 May, 2010, 09:20:33 am
Anyone with any sense takes the boughrood road anyway

+1 it's loverly
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 09:44:02 am
Is this the road that goes the other side of the river from Bronllys to Builth and is it viciously hilly or pleasantly rolling?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 09:48:29 am
Yes - as used on the Brevet Cymru

I always take it anyway - just noting for others that there might be (other) good reasons for so-doing tomorrow.

If you stick to the A470 on the 2004 route, you have a vast amount of A road.  The Boughrood road breaks it up a bit.

It's mostly flatish/rolling - there are only two properly steep hills and they're right at the end, just before the turn to Builth. And they're short.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2010, 09:50:11 am
They are very short hills though. It's a no brainer to take this road
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 09:51:01 am
Probably a few minutes slower.  No more than that, and a whole lot nicer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 09:51:12 am
Excellent, I shall consider this when I leave Bronllys.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 14 May, 2010, 09:53:20 am
not even that if theres masses of cars on the main road and possibly tractors as well if it's a smallholders show.
just hope they don't know about the back road
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 09:55:41 am
That bit of the A470 is probably the busiest road on the whole ride, at the best of times.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: thing1 on 14 May, 2010, 10:19:09 am
Thanks for the tip  :thumbsup:

Just to clarify, you take B4350 at Boughood, then B4567 to Builth, but you still end up on A470 just as it passes the RWSG? (I understand the aim being to avoid the 20km of heavy traffic approaching it, rather than avoid the grounds themselves)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 10:21:33 am
Yes.

When we went through 2 weeks ago on the Brevet Cymru, Builth was solid with stationary traffic queuing to get into the showground.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 14 May, 2010, 10:24:20 am
Just to clarify, you take B4350 at Boughood, then B4567 to Builth, but you still end up on A470 just as it passes the RWSG? (I understand the aim being to avoid the 20km of heavy traffic approaching it, rather than avoid the grounds themselves)

Isn't that the Scenic route for that particular section?

Yes: Bicycle Path - AUDAX: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2009 (Scenic), Stages 1-3 (4280m) at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/AUDAX-Bryan-Chapman-Memorial-2009-Scenic-4280m)

I've no idea how different it is to the non-Scenic route but I'd expect it must be slightly hillier.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 10:27:45 am
The main road has some, well, main-roady climbs on it.  Save the two steep pulls at Llanfaredd, there's probably not that much in it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 14 May, 2010, 10:28:03 am
While we're on the topic of bypassing the A470, is it worth avoiding the A470 north of Rhayader by taking the minor road to the west of the main road like so: http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl (http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl)?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 10:30:21 am
I have a recollection that the Bridge Too Far 600 used that road, or some of it.  Def lumpier, def a bit slower  - but a lot nicer.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 14 May, 2010, 10:33:01 am
It's a no brainer to take this road

I took the hint and loaded the detour into my garmin and discovered I'd forgotten to input the files for the whole ride.
Thanks everybody.

And my Arrivee has just plopped down on the doormat  just in time for the train journey.

Surely nothing can go wrong now......

First 600 and I'm really quite excited - even sorted out spare and emergency spokes.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 10:39:00 am
Thing1

Yes,

TR onto B4350 sp BOUGHROOD by Bridge End Inn
TL onto Station Road sp Painscastle.
L@T onto B4567 sp Llanfaredd (I think GSV is blurry)
L@T onto A481 sp BUILTH WELLS
2e Rdb sp BUILTH WELLS
L@T onto A483 sp BUITH WELLS

Then you'll rejoin the A470 at Builth

This does mean that you'll miss Builth for food but there is a Little Chef and petrol station as you rejoin the A470 if you're in need.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2010, 10:39:35 am
While we're on the topic of bypassing the A470, is it worth avoiding the A470 north of Rhayader by taking the minor road to the west of the main road like so: http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl (http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl)?

it's a pretty road, but it has a grass stripe down the middle. Will cost you an hour or maybe more. Probably better to take the Scenic route through Elan and avoid that main road and the a44. But it will cost you a chunk of time
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 14 May, 2010, 10:40:30 am
Yup..picking up 3pm train from London to Bristol, taking the comic to read on the way. Then a nice ride out to Aust to dump stuff in the room at the Travelodge, early meal at the Boar's Head and a very early night I think!

Only shame is that the weather forecast seems somewhat inconclusive.  To pack overshoes or take a chance.....? :-\
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 10:46:59 am
It'll be a chilly start and overnight temperatures may take a dive in exposed areas so I'm taking the overshoes anyway for insulation.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 14 May, 2010, 10:47:48 am
Fantastically helpful. Just plotted that out on the map and looks much more enjoyable even without the farmers

Thanks

Thing1

Yes,

TR onto B4350 sp BOUGHROOD by Bridge End Inn
TL onto Station Road sp Painscastle.
L@T onto B4567 sp Llanfaredd (I think GSV is blurry)
L@T onto A481 sp BUILTH WELLS
2e Rdb sp BUILTH WELLS
L@T onto A483 sp BUITH WELLS

Then you'll rejoin the A470 at Builth

This does mean that you'll miss Builth for food but there is a Little Chef and petrol station as you rejoin the A470 if you're in need.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 10:48:45 am
[it's a pretty road, but it has a grass stripe down the middle.

I would suspect that the road surface may be degraded after the winter and not high on the repair priority.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 14 May, 2010, 10:49:37 am
There looks to be a band of rain forecast for the early hours of Sun, and it *will* be cold in Snowdonia...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 10:50:03 am
Fantastically helpful. Just plotted that out on the map and looks much more enjoyable even without the farmers


I dearly love Google Street View. One of the best audax preparation tools ever.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: TOBY on 14 May, 2010, 10:55:57 am
It'll be a chilly start and overnight temperatures may take a dive in exposed areas so I'm taking the overshoes anyway for insulation.

and an extra sock
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 14 May, 2010, 10:56:37 am
Not sure what the weather will do? History tells a tale:

...  After Llandovery it was just cold, wet and nasty for all and a time for some winter layers, made worse for a deep dark with an obliterated moon. 
...
Also cannot steep enough praise on the Bwlch team headed by Richard Evans.  That night control proved the making of the event as most arrived exhausted, wet and cold
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 14 May, 2010, 10:57:56 am

The night before a 600, you should be in bed at midnight not arsing around on yafc

I'd only just got home from swimming club + post swimming pub. And still hadn't packed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 May, 2010, 11:08:29 am
The night before a 600, you should be in bed at midnight not arsing around on yafc

ISTR a group of us being taken task the night before PBP once our dining arrangements had become common knowledge.

"You can't go for a curry the night before PBP", exclaimed Tuggo, while draining yet another 1664.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 May, 2010, 11:09:11 am
It'll be a chilly start and overnight temperatures may take a dive in exposed areas so I'm taking the overshoes anyway for insulation.

and an extra sock

It's a possibility although the last time I wore one was -10 in Canada so I may not need it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2010, 11:34:07 am
It's a possibility although the last time I wore one was -10 in Canada so I may not need it.

The last time I wore one was
on the peacocks and kites last year, but I had eaten a very dodgy Mexican the night before
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 14 May, 2010, 11:35:56 am
At -10 you wouldn't need to wipe.  Just break it off.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 14 May, 2010, 11:37:32 am
it's a pretty road, but it has a grass stripe down the middle. Will cost you an hour or maybe more. Probably better to take the Scenic route through Elan and avoid that main road and the a44. But it will cost you a chunk of time

In which case I'll be using the A470 for the win.



At -10 you wouldn't need to wipe.  Just break it off.

 :sick:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 14 May, 2010, 12:00:04 pm
There looks to be a band of rain forecast for the early hours of Sun, and it *will* be cold in Snowdonia...

hopefully the rain will keep me awake
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 14 May, 2010, 12:03:25 pm
Just to clarify, you take B4350 at Boughood, then B4567 to Builth, but you still end up on A470 just as it passes the RWSG? (I understand the aim being to avoid the 20km of heavy traffic approaching it, rather than avoid the grounds themselves)

Isn't that the Scenic route for that particular section?

Yes: Bicycle Path - AUDAX: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2009 (Scenic), Stages 1-3 (4280m) at Bikely.com (http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/AUDAX-Bryan-Chapman-Memorial-2009-Scenic-4280m)

I've no idea how different it is to the non-Scenic route but I'd expect it must be slightly hillier.

Yes, it is. ISTR only two short steep sections towards the end. Not having cycled on the A470 I cannot compare the two, but it was a nice bit of road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 May, 2010, 12:08:18 pm
I've no idea how different it is to the non-Scenic route but I'd expect it must be slightly hillier.

That Scenic route is more scenic, yes sometimes you may have to do a bi more work - but not generally.

I wouldn't think there's much in ti on this part of the route, if anything - I'd say the scenic route could be a bit flatter.

The A470 rollsquite surprisingly on this bit, but the scenic bit has two short sharp its.

I take the scenic bit every time. it's 0.8km further - but infinitely more pleasurable.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 May, 2010, 12:15:35 pm
While we're on the topic of bypassing the A470, is it worth avoiding the A470 north of Rhayader by taking the minor road to the west of the main road like so: http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl (http://tinyurl.com/34aeyrl)?

A number of events use this lane. It actually rides a lot better the other way i.e. north to south.

If it's been wet, the lane can be a nightmare, as the fields around it drain onto the lane. It's surely slower, and quite honestly from Rhayader to Llangurig has to be one of the quietest parts of the A470.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Panoramix on 14 May, 2010, 01:18:07 pm
but I had eaten a very dodgy Mexican the night before

As a bit of friendly advice, I would stay quiet on this one, cannibalism tends to be frowned upon on these shores.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 14 May, 2010, 01:34:31 pm
Foreigners are considered fair game. Double points if they are French.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 14 May, 2010, 01:37:45 pm
To pack overshoes or take a chance.....? :-\

Take 'em anyway to keep your tootsies warm on the loop back from Bangor. Rain due Sunday so an ideal candidate for the bag drop.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 14 May, 2010, 02:51:36 pm
but I had eaten a very dodgy Mexican the night before

As a bit of friendly advice, I would stay quiet on this one, cannibalism tends to be frowned upon on these shores.

I think you're OK here. I've heard of people going for a Mexican , a Chinese and an Indian but I've never heard anyone going for a French. Not to eat anyway ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Andydauddwr on 14 May, 2010, 04:23:47 pm
Right, abertandem locked and loaded.  Not sure how well or otherwise it's going to go.  Last ride longer than 200 for me was last years Mersey Roads and that wasn't on the tandem either.  Plus my dodgy wheel building skills are being put to the test for the 2nd time in 2 weeks (epic fail last w/e).  What can possibly go wrong?

Spare bikes strategically placed in Aber and Bangor, so we may finish solo...

See you all bright and early.

AC
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 14 May, 2010, 04:27:27 pm
So I am off. Off for the weekend and up to Wales where I'll embark on my first real and self chosen adventure of this year :thumbsup:. May I (and all those who ride) not fail due to mechanical issues, other riders or the car menace. May I fail due to borked-up legs, lungs or psyche (...uhm or due to the effects of sleep deprivation...). Thanks in advance to all the riders and helpers  who - intentionally or unintentionally - will help me. Oh this is going to be great! ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: chillmoister on 14 May, 2010, 04:35:47 pm
time to leave ...see you all bright and early in Chepstow  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: RichForrest on 14 May, 2010, 05:07:29 pm
Sat in the travelodge with coffee. Will be going over for food later.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 14 May, 2010, 05:52:21 pm
Having a pint in the White Hart, Littleton upon Severn.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 14 May, 2010, 05:55:30 pm
Sitting at home drinking coffee and thinking about getting changed to start riding...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: marcus on 14 May, 2010, 06:44:10 pm
I'm on the train! Somewhere nr Leicester. Standing room only.  :(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Panoramix on 14 May, 2010, 06:47:10 pm
Still stuck in the office...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 14 May, 2010, 07:01:02 pm
Good Luck, Chaps!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Gus on 14 May, 2010, 07:10:52 pm
Have a pleasant ride , I'm hoping to join you next year, so I'll look forward to all the ride reports  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: scottlington on 14 May, 2010, 07:11:25 pm
Im in the Boars Head in Aust enjoying a pint.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 14 May, 2010, 07:31:34 pm
Im in the Boars Head in Aust enjoying a pint.  :thumbsup:

Then pray their Wi-fi works well. Just to spice-up the "alternative route bits", apart from the scenic bit to Builth. the rest have been a bit of a waste in most respects.

So ears open for two of the best ones on the ride, when you're at 522.5km - DO NOT TURN LEFT. the lane can be a bit rutty, I'm honour bound to route it that way because it's the shortest route. Instead carry-on and go left at the T about 1km further-on. Then turn RIGHT about 2km further-on signed PEMBRIDGE 4 (B4362). This brings you back on route at what would have been SO @ X, $ PEMBRIDGE4 (B4362).

In Monmouth at 590.1 DO NOT GO "LEFT at TLs, onto A466, $ Chepstow." but go SO @ TLs, then 2nd exit @ island. STOP @ T, and walk down the one=way street to the left. Use under pass to get on to the A466. This puts you imm after "LEFT at TLs, onto A466, $ Chepstow."
The first one applies to "2004" only , the second one to both
. See you tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jules on 14 May, 2010, 07:58:24 pm
I'm probably "wishing myself accursed that I'm not there" but I promised myself I'd successfully complete a 400 before attempting a 600.

I'll think about you tomorrow night when you're grinding around N.Wales (or asleep in the YH) and I'm grinding back from Weston-Super-Mare to Denmead.

Bon Route :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mukkinese on 14 May, 2010, 08:21:38 pm
Just left paddington. Hope the bike survives the trip. See y'all at 6.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 14 May, 2010, 09:41:10 pm
At the campsite in Sedbury now. Salvatore, adamski, Nonsteeler and the things also here. All set for tomorrow, I think.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 14 May, 2010, 09:44:59 pm
Enjoy yerselves ;)

See somaya Sun.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jabba on 14 May, 2010, 09:50:18 pm
All the best to the BCM riders, wish I was there...I think  ???
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mukkinese on 15 May, 2010, 12:04:02 am
At the campsite in Sedbury now. Salvatore, adamski, Nonsteeler and the things also here. All set for tomorrow, I think.

Somebody wake me up before you all leave...

:-D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 15 May, 2010, 12:30:08 am
A bit late I know but Bryn Busy, landlord of The Black Look, Chepstow, is screening "How Groin is My Valley" from about 2am this morning. It's an 80's classic when pubic topiary was nothing to be ashamed of.

You need to go through the car park, turn left under the fire escape, open the cellar door and shout your rider number for the BCM into the darkness.

Invitation only, PM me for details.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 15 May, 2010, 01:00:31 pm
The BBC weather forecast in Wales looks a bit grim from this afternoon onwards, with rain moving in from the Atlantic until this time tomorrow. Best keep it quiet...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 15 May, 2010, 01:21:53 pm
Well it was a no show for me. I have bagged another DNS to add to my list of glorious failures.

I was ill before the BC and should not have ridden. What followed was my worst day ever on a bike. My club mate who came for his first ever 400 was initiated into my world of pain. I have felt a little low ever since and when I woke in the Cribbs Causeway Travelodge at 1:30 am with a sore throat and raised heart rate I knew the game was up. So I turned my alarm off and had a lie in before driving home.

The weather was great when I started my drive and I felt disappointed, but knew I had made the right decision. I have the K&SW in two weeks time. Lets hope I feel up for that. My Grand May is turning some what bad on me.

Good luck to the ones on the road and I hope the rain holds off and the sun shines.

Looking forward to next year!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 15 May, 2010, 01:43:41 pm
Decided not to start this one. I've done too much recently and have a lot more to do this year and don't want to burn out before the BC 1000, so stayed at home, drank some wine and watched 'where the wild one's live'. So second year I have failed.  :'(
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Justin(e) on 15 May, 2010, 02:42:39 pm
I know you guys who are out there cant read this - but I am sending plenty of good vibrations (and a few jealous ones) your way.

Enjoy.  Make sure you do a ride report for us vicarious riders.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 15 May, 2010, 07:26:23 pm
Adamski an I got to Menai at 7pm. Hoping to be at kings at midnight and sleep for ages
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 15 May, 2010, 09:40:52 pm
Toby and I are at Menai, have had a fantastic ride so far. Weather's been amazing and only a bit of a headwind has spoilt it. Back to the YH next...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Justin(e) on 16 May, 2010, 02:45:34 pm
Weather's been amazing

What a foolish thing to say.

So how much rain has there been since that statement?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 16 May, 2010, 02:57:17 pm
Weather's been amazing

What a foolish thing to say.

So how much rain has there been since that statement?

It rained overnight apparently, when all the fast types were tucked up in bed and all the mere mortals out on the road, flogging their way back to Dolgellau. I knew there was a good reason why I'm not riding this year....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 16 May, 2010, 04:03:04 pm
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 16 May, 2010, 04:16:57 pm
Excellent! Another Malvolio spin-a-thon  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: megajoules expenditure on 16 May, 2010, 04:26:20 pm
Total magic. Made me quite envious not to be there :thumbsup:

Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 16 May, 2010, 04:43:12 pm
Methinks that be Deano at 1:56 to 2:00
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Spikey on 16 May, 2010, 04:47:09 pm
It was great to ride with some of you for a bit. I was doing a DIY 300 (see When is a DIY considered DIY+calendar (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33103.0)) which mostly followed the BCM scenic route to beyond the Elan Valley before returning via Tregaron and Brecon. The Elan valley was especially beutifull. I only wish I was up to the full ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Pippa on 16 May, 2010, 05:22:51 pm
Just got a text from adamski:

"Just finished 620k done. It's been a fab ride. Amazing views, great weather (for us at least) & some lovely hills. Got about 4.5 hrs sleep last night & feel OK".

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: eck on 16 May, 2010, 05:48:00 pm
Methinks that be Deano at 1:56 to 2:00
And our chum Maverick in the middle of the trio at 1:33  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Von Broad on 16 May, 2010, 06:08:47 pm

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)


Lovely stuff. Bought back memories of the one and only time I've done the ride. Hope to get back out there some time again.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on 16 May, 2010, 06:31:32 pm
Black Hills of Dakota?  :-\

Some hilarious Fairy Liquid bottle mudflaps, proving that there's a grain of truth in every cliché.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 16 May, 2010, 06:36:53 pm
Black Hills of Dakota?  :-\


It's a pun on the Mynydd Du.
The shot of Dinorwic is a reference to this thread. Login (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33180.15)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on 16 May, 2010, 06:39:17 pm
Ah, I see.

What about some Manic Street Preachers?  Or you could intersperse a few chavved-up Saxos and go for Goldie Lookin' Chain  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2010, 06:41:47 pm
Finished about 20 mins ago. 36h23, my fastest 600k by some distance. Only 1/3 of the field back so far.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: sub55 on 16 May, 2010, 06:42:29 pm
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs

LOVE it
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: rogerzilla on 16 May, 2010, 06:48:18 pm
Who's in the orange YACF jersey?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 16 May, 2010, 07:12:24 pm
Who's in the orange YACF jersey?

Jwo
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 16 May, 2010, 07:12:59 pm
Who's in the orange YACF jersey?

jwo
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: NikW on 16 May, 2010, 07:53:43 pm
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs

Hey that's good - I got a sudden dose of wish I was there!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 16 May, 2010, 08:56:03 pm
I just got home.  I really enjoyed that, with the possible exception of the rainy night section.  loads of very friendly forumites around too.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 16 May, 2010, 09:02:57 pm
Parts of today were wonderful, but I felt bloody weary ....

You only had to ask.... and I would have sent you a textual encouragement.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 16 May, 2010, 09:46:35 pm
Well done all. Good going, Adamski  :) and well done Flatus for doing another 400 km with a dodgy knee <gulp>
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 16 May, 2010, 09:49:04 pm
Weather's been amazing

What a foolish thing to say.

So how much rain has there been since that statement?

Fantastic weather from yesterday early until almost midnight, and today from about 6 to the end.  Just the bit over last night that was soggy. But not that cold, and not as soggy as the Brevet Cymru :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 16 May, 2010, 11:40:04 pm
Mmm. In. Could just fancy some toastcereal ;)

Still about a 1/3rd field to come when I left (20:30), so lots of people going for full value; you're all mad, you know :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 17 May, 2010, 12:13:30 am
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs

That's just excellent :)

IanH at 00:17; swiss hat at 00:18;

kcass and Maverick (on the beautiful little pale green Mercian) at 1:37; Non-steeler in front of Deano at 2:0

tandemista & jasmine at 00:29

Things at 1:00 and 1:23

Mrs Blacksheep at 00:48 & 1:09

LWaB & Judith at 1:11

and I don't doubt several others who I've failed to spot :)

Doesn't Pen-y-Pas look marvellous ?  It was.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 17 May, 2010, 12:20:49 am
Ah, I see.

What about some Manic Street Preachers?  Or you could intersperse a few chavved-up Saxos and go for Goldie Lookin' Chain  ;D

No, no

The Manics are from Blackwood, and GLC avowedly and hilariously from Newport.  Both in the deep South.  It'd be like using Chas'n'Dave for the video of 3 Coasts :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 17 May, 2010, 12:37:53 am
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs

 :thumbsup:

Craggy, windswept, weatherbeaten and ancient.

No not Wales.

Ian H at 0:17.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 May, 2010, 08:16:54 am
Parts of today were wonderful, but I felt bloody weary ....

You only had to ask.... and I would have sent you a textual encouragement.

H

Well, better late than never!

(I have some cream for that btw)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 May, 2010, 08:18:57 am
Quote of the weekend:

"My poo'er has gone doon 5 watts".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Andydauddwr on 17 May, 2010, 08:41:41 am
The Abertandem bailed at ~440km with a worsening problem in the stoker knee-bike interface and a serious case of the dozies from me.  We ran with the timing chain too far out of phase for the 1st 300km, which probably didn't help the knees.  Porthaethwy at 9pm, Kings for 1am, slept lead down for 3 hours, then back on the road at 4:30.  Ran out of pad on the disk brake halfway down the monster descent, waking much wildlife with the melodious sound of metal on metal...

We quit at the roundabout near to Mach, where I was able to rudely awaken a friend for a lift to Aber, followed by a fun day on the railways to get the car.

Well done blacksheep and helpers, 1st class support as ever.

Well done to all finishers.

AC
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 17 May, 2010, 09:38:36 am


Craggy, windswept, weatherbeaten and ancient.

No not Wales.

Ian H at 0:17.

H

You're only jealous.

PS. Sliding along the road on your face is not a good way to attempt to emulate my good looks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 17 May, 2010, 09:48:47 am
I stormed round.  Left Menai at 9pm, Kings to sleep at 1:30am, Finished before 6pm.  Pretty much avoided the worst weather.  Still had a pair of water proof socks in reserve at the end.

Wish to thank
Mr sheep, iddu and the army of helpers
The woman doing the tea at tredol for her loverly tea
Deano and Nonsteeler for chatting to me and generally getting me going in a bad patch just after Beddgelert

Best pretty bits
Sun Beams over the mountains on the Pen-y-Pass
Cader Iris peeping over, it's head shrouded in mist first thing in the morning.  Thanks to Ianh for pointing that out
The A470 around Dolfach, the rain had perked up all the vegetation and the sun was out in the morning

Punctures
One deflation but it wasn't a puncture it was an inner tube failure.  The rim got too hot braking coming out of Kings.  I'd rather get a front flat at slow speed on the driveway however, considering that we were coming down Llanberis later that day

New things
Y'know I'd never noticed the nuclear power station before.  Yes, I am unobservant
The two route improvements, avoiding the crappy lane at "L opposite old Forge, easily missed" and the pedestrian underpass at Monmouth: both excellent ideas imho

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 17 May, 2010, 09:55:03 am
That was fantastic ride. Rode it all with Flatus and great to have company for the whole ride. From Chepstow to Builth Wells was lovely. I found the section along the A470 past Rhayader a slog; not helped by Mr. Sucky*. I felt the ride properly began in Tre'r Ddol (http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=Tre'r+Ddol+Wales) with the climb up past Cader Idris. The section past Barmouth was stunning in the sun and I loved climbing up to Pen-y-Pass; even had to stop to take in the views before Pen y Gwryd (http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=Pen-y-Gwryd+Beddgelert) 'cos it was that beautiful. Descending down Llanberis in the evening light was a blast.

I found the section back to Beddgelert hard, but that's because I hadn't realised how much up we were doing at that point, but it was a lovely evening and got back to the hostel dry. I got about 4½ hours sleep, waking up briefly to hear the rain hammering down. Left hostel yesterday around 06h15 and have a leisurely ride back to Chepstow; followed by a visit to the Sedbury kebab house with Chris N and then sleeeep.

I am now in work having got up at 6am to depitch the tent and drive back to Nottinghamshire. I doubt this'll be a productive day.

And a big thanks to Mark et al. running controls. You guys 'n' gals make things so much easier.

___________
* This'll be explained in my ride report, but to avoid rumors it isn't my nickname for Flatus.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 17 May, 2010, 10:10:46 am
Funnily enough all my classes are doing silent tests today

 :thumbsup:


I'm off to hide in a lab.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 17 May, 2010, 10:25:12 am
I think the term 'compost mentis' might describe my state of mind this morning.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 May, 2010, 10:26:15 am
Found that picture of you btw, Adam....

click (http://www.banana-splits-show.com/images/bs89.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 17 May, 2010, 10:27:01 am
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs

That's just excellent :)
...
and I don't doubt several others who I've failed to spot :)

Doesn't Pen-y-Pas look marvellous ?  It was.


I just looked at it again and spotted myself briefly at 2:19, in the next shot after you spinning madly
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 17 May, 2010, 10:51:38 am
Oh that was just great! Not sure if I can say that I enjoyed every single last bit of it, but the whole experience was just great great great great. For me it was a one-of-a-kind event. It is very likely that I will ride a couple of more 600km audaxes or even longer distances. But this will always stick out. Not only because of the novelty - it was just perfect. Thanks to all the people who made this possible.

And on the other hand I can be it more reasonable and tell you that the best stage for me was from Kings YH Dolgellau to Menai Bridge on day one (the sea and mountains in late afternoon and early evening light!), second best the first stage on day two from YHA to Aberhafesp (a clean morning after the rain, fresh air, wet roads, fantastic scenery) and on third place the night ride from Menai Bridge back to YH (night riding magic: the real world lasts till the edge of your light and beyond is magic land; Deano, particularly a big thanks for riding this whole stage [and the one before] with me and esp. for helping me out with batteries).

On day two I had to hurry up a bit as the family was waiting for me. This in turn led to loads of solo riding because I didn't meet a rider/group on my cruising speed. Anyway, I arrived sometime before five which was perfect as 5pm was the agreed time.

Oh and I am celebrity now ;)! You can see Deano and me for few of seconds at 1.55 at Pen-y Pass: Bryan Chapman 2010 in Snowdonia video by damonpeacock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU).

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 17 May, 2010, 10:55:37 am
All of this talk of folk finishing at 5pm brings tears to my eyes.

Dave Kahn, you are my hero!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 17 May, 2010, 11:12:40 am
Despite a lovely shower and bed at 12.30 I couldnt sleep a wink.  Heard the rain pissing down and felt very sorry for the poor buggers still out in it.  Getting up at 5am and the Youth Hostel looked like the aftermath of a battle.  Bodies everywhere. Mark Rigby wondering around looking confused and dazed.

This good a description. When I arrived at YH close to 2am everything was nice, tidy, orderly. People were put into 'sleeping groups' and allocated a bed and then escorted to their respective sleeping facilities. The morning after looked 'a bit' different. I felt really sorry for all those who didn't get a bed, also a bit guilty because some people looked worse than me. Did I really deserve a bed?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 17 May, 2010, 11:17:26 am
I felt really sorry for all those who didn't get a bed, also a bit guilty because some people looked worse than me. Did I really deserve a bed?

As someone who is usually at the back of the field (and has missed out on a bed on plenty of rides) don't worry about it. A bed is a luxury, I'm happy with a bit of cold stone floor if I'm tired. I treat it as an incentive to get faster.

The video looks great, amazing what you don't see when it's pitch black. I can't remember the lake at Dinorwig at all.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 17 May, 2010, 11:26:35 am
Did I really deserve a bed?

yes
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 17 May, 2010, 11:28:13 am
Oh well, I'm just going to ignore this thread for the rest of the day as it will only make me feel jealous and inferior.

I blew this one, big time. Everything started fine apart from oversleeping and realising that the point at which I was getting out of bed was ten minutes after I had planned to leave.  I still made it to the start in good time but hadn't breakfasted properly. Mistake number one.

Lovely ride up to Bronllys despite bonking just before Crickhowell and having to shovel sugar in. At that point I was in a large and loose group with several forumites but I dropped back so that I could eat. Great breakfast and super-fast service much appreciated at the Honey cafe. Just after that I found myself with Tewdric and another forumite whose name escapes me, taking the alternative route past Buiith (thanks to Seldom killer for that recommendation) and i then paced them most of the way up to Rhyader. I think they were tolerating me, much in the same way as a couple of seven year olds tolerate one's five year kid brother, rather than riding with me. Certainly they dropped me quite easily after Rhyader and I never saw them again.

The run up through Llangurig towards the next control was fine apart from the very aggressive traffic. What's the name of that Welsh brewery - is it Mansells or something similar? Their drivers should be sent on a course in basic overtaking techniques, i.e. please move at least one foot to the right of the cyclist being overtaken. The cafe was busy when I arrived and there was clearly some confusion in the kitchen.  I think my order may have been nabbed by someone who came in after me as it was more than 45 minutes before it arrived, by which time many of those who were behind me had already been and gone. I lost almost 75 minutes here, which was not good. I was also feeling cold, despite having on a thermal base, arm warmers and leggings.  

The next part of the ride was delightful. The road just seemed to roll along and there were a couple of long steady climbs that I really enjoyed - was particularly encouraged by a hand written sign wishing us all good luck at the side of the road outside one house near Corris. Only the climb up to the youth hostel could spoil the fun - and it did.

Great food and support at the hostel. It was about 6 when I got there and I left just before 7 fully kitted up in winter cycling gear for a cold crossing to Menai. I was still feeling cold whilst inside the hostel and couldn't quite shake it off but I reasoned that warm clothes and a few hills would sort that out.  Nearly copped it coming off Barmouth bridge. I wasn't expecting the path to open straight out on to the road (no doubt hence the words BE AWARE on the route sheet) nor for there to be a line of cars coming. Happily my London commuting brain took over with a rapidly executed emergency stop.

Sunset over cardigan Bay was lovely; got a wave and a cheer from some of the wedding party in Beddgelert and it was starting to get dark just as I began the climb up to Pen-y-Grwyd.  I passed three guys taking a break and then another four, one of whom I think might have been Anton, a little further on. I actually enjoyed the climb, taking it steady all the way. The three guys then passed me at a good pace and, ironically, I liked having their red lights up ahead, getting higher and higher, to give me an indication of what was to come.  Three of the other four arrived at the top just after me and there was one other rider who set off just as I got there.  I did a bit of fettling, as they say, and then headed off for what I expected to be a cold descent.  It was made colder by the fact that I had left one of my gloves in the road, which I realised after a few bends. So back up I went....

The descent proper was superb and I really appreciated the strength of my light. Apart from one bendy section with stone walls at the roadside I didn't need to touch the brakes so I went down as quickly as I would in daylight.  By now though it was starting to drizzle with touches of sleet and for the last few miles to Menai I was getting the shivers.

I couldn't shake them at the control, despite the hot soup. Other riders came and went and I just sat there shivering. I went outside to check the weather, which was getting worse. I just couldn't get warm and couldn't face the prospect of going back over the mountains feeling like that so I gave my card to another rider and called it a night. I knew there was a travelodge on the A5 a few miles out of Bangor so i headed for that and got myself an expensive six hours' sleep.  In theory I could have got a train from Bangor and been home for lunch but there was the small matter of a drop bag returning to Chepstow, so I got down to Newport by train and rode back over to the finish (getting drenched on the way), where the first few riders in were chilling out. Rode back to Bristol and got the 5.30 train back to London.  So as the last riders were probably coming in I was on the sofa with a glass of wine and a pizza.

I'm disappointed because I know that I could have finished and that, apart from the afternoon drenching, would have enjoyed the rider back. But on the other hand I had heard the horror stories from last year of people coming over the pass suffering from exposure and I wasn't going to take any chances, particularly being towards the back of the field.  A good, very well-organised event though and maybe one to go back and conquer another time. For now I'm going to sit quiet and lick my wounds. Well done to all who finished.

PS - if anyone knows where I can get an avatar of a tortoise..... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: geraldc on 17 May, 2010, 11:31:46 am
Bed? I'm lucky if I get to sleep on a 600!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 17 May, 2010, 11:37:15 am
PS - if anyone knows where I can get an avatar of a tortoise..... :)

Google is your friend (http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=2&q=tortoise&um=1&i
e=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi#q=tortoise&um=1&hl=en&gbv=2&tb
s=isch:1,isz:i&source=lnt&ei=6BvxS_3YDJrEMc7pvOoL&sa=X&oi=to
ol&resnum=3&ct=tlink). I like this one:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/4615121392_7b8098e084_o.gif)


Bummer quiting at Bangor. Sunday was another lovely day. However I say that having experienced none of the rain on Saturday.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 17 May, 2010, 11:58:07 am
I rode all the way with miniog, as usual, and with Matth who will be cycling home to Hampshire at the moment.  But we also picked up a couple of strays in the forms of kcass and maverick on the way to Menai, and Adam on the way to Aberhafesp, and finished all together just before 7, all three finishing strongly on their first 600. (And 19.)

Maentwrog to Dolgellau was a pro-plus-assisted damp drag as usual.  I’ve only done it ‘clean’ once, and never again. Miniog asked me at one point if I was OK.  I said I was, but the real answer would have been that I was cold, wet, tired, hungry, achy and possibly constipated.  But two-and-a-half hours sleep on a sofa in the common room (miniog had one of the last beds) interrupted only by Toby’s snuffly sleeping noises – not snoring – and a creaky door spring, and people rustling in their bag drops, were enough to set up a glorious Sunday ride back to Chepstow.

Apologies to Maverick and kcass for all the “this bit seems easier than last year” and “at this point last year it was so wet and cold that…” etc.  And hello again to the many yacf-ers I met for the first time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: TOBY on 17 May, 2010, 12:01:51 pm
Some photos from my Scenic ride as modelled by Chris N:

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Honey Café – sunshine breakfast on the patio

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Elan Valley

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Resevoir control

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Bonus views, here we rode above a hovering Red Kite in the valley.

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Pen Y pass

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Weobly - ice creams on the lawn it was like a summer fete.
</snip>

<edit>  Flickr slideshow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22728508@N02/sets/72157624077722494/show/)  </edit>

Thanks to Mark and all his team of helpers, it really is amazing the time and effort they generously give up just to make my (and everyone elses) bike ride easier  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 17 May, 2010, 12:11:46 pm
Well, that was a bit of a "Concorde moment" for everyone in one way or another.

Provisionally at least 96 heroes (and heroines) pedalled themselves into a bit of AUK history.

For some - their first 600. And others - their first SR has now been bagged.
For a few - the ghosts of previous attempts, have now been put to rest.
A smaller number now enter the AUK higher etchelons as an ultra-randoneur.
Another gained their ultra-randoneur (with bar).
And amazingly, one individual added a second bar to their ultra-randoneur status.

If you were part of this event in any way shape or form, look back in six months time when the rose tinted specs are off, and realise you were part of something quite special.

I can see I'm going to have to take this organising thing seriously from now-on. 2011 planning is already underway.

As I type this, I can quitely hear a mandolin and Michael Stipe saying ".....But that was just a dream, just a dream......".

Well perhaps it just was.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: postie on 17 May, 2010, 12:32:02 pm
great ride,over the pass in sunshine and down to the top control by 7-30!
great ride back to kings(passing the cheats missing the big climb) back at kings for 11-50,good sleep and off at 5-00,having missed all the rain it was just a day ride back to the finish. got back at 4-00,thanks to mark and everyone for a great ride.
p.s. lee no real steep climbs on this one. ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 17 May, 2010, 01:00:27 pm
Just got in, having left Maverick in the Severn View about six hours ago. Pretty pleased with that time for an imperial century after the BCM :)

Fantastic weather generally, excellent helpers, and good company on the road (rode most of it with Nuncio and Miniog).

Congratulations and well done to the three forumites who teamed up with us later and completed their first 600s and first SRs - Maverick, KCass and Adam (sorry, didn't catch your forum name).

Just swapping the saddle bag for a pannier now and off to the supermarket to buy stuff to make a stupidly hot and huge curry for this evenings meal  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 17 May, 2010, 01:11:39 pm
Ah, I see.

What about some Manic Street Preachers?  Or you could intersperse a few chavved-up Saxos and go for Goldie Lookin' Chain  ;D

No, no

The Manics are from Blackwood, and GLC avowedly and hilariously from Newport.  Both in the deep South.  It'd be like using Chas'n'Dave for the video of 3 Coasts :)


Absolutely!

Should have been "Manic Wicend" ("Manic Weekend", obviously), by Meinir Gwilym, who hails from Anglesey.

Meinir Gwilym (http://www.meinirgwilym.com/cym/default.aspx)

Fantastic video though - is there going to be a longer DVD version Damon?

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 17 May, 2010, 01:28:32 pm
PS - if anyone knows where I can get an avatar of a tortoise..... :)
clicky (http://www.twenga.co.uk/dir-Toys-Games,Soft-toys-teddy-bears,Turtle-soft-toy)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 May, 2010, 01:45:27 pm

Absolutely!

Should have been "Manic Wicend" ("Manic Weekend", obviously), by Meinir Gwilym, who hails from Anglesey.

Meinir Gwilym (http://www.meinirgwilym.com/cym/default.aspx)

Fantastic video though - is there going to be a longer DVD version Damon?


[/quote]

I was tempted by Patio Song by Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, especially for the lines, 'Mae'n bwrw glaw
So dal fy llaw', but the talk of patios, boating and kissing would probably have upset the less metaphorically minded AUKs.
The outing was something of a technical test, I wanted to see if I could incorporate footage taken with a tripod at Barmouth with handheld stuff taken from the roadside at opportunity, and to see what the limits of the camera were, it handles shooting against the light well,  but is a bit 'noisy' in poorer light. There's not enough footage from that one ride for a DVD.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 17 May, 2010, 01:51:09 pm
A shameful DNSing from me.

All was going well until I got into the hotel room at about 10 pm. Head down and all of a sudden it seemed as if the room was a bit warm. I put it down to trying digest a rather large dinner and tried to ignore it. By 11pm it was becoming obvious that this wasn't me so I tried turning off the radiator (which hadn't been on) and opening the window but by 11.30 it became obvious I wasn't about to get much sleep and all the hotel staff had buggered off so I couldn't beg a change of room. Stupid me for not playing the safe Travelodge option but by the time it came to get up I'd had only two hours sleep and I know better to start a 600 than when I'm very tired and already dehydrated.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 17 May, 2010, 02:00:06 pm
*envious*

Denmead 400 vs a mild BC600.  Doesn't really compare, regardless of how lovely Pam's route is.  Oh well, fingers crossed that 2011 is equally benign  :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 17 May, 2010, 02:06:05 pm
Found that picture of you btw, Adam....

click (http://www.banana-splits-show.com/images/bs89.jpg)

Git!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jethro on 17 May, 2010, 02:09:54 pm
Well done to eveyone who got round this classic event.

I did enter, but was not able to ride due to a knee injury so helped out at Kins instead.

Here is my report from a helpers point of view.

First riders at Kings the second time through was at 20.59 and were away again within 30 mins.  Then the rain began at about 11 ish so everyone wanted a bed.  Unfortunately there were only 42 beds and nearly 100 riders to accommodate, so we set up a system of giving riders about 3 hours sleep and then hopefully allow other later arrivals the chance of getting at least a couple of hours. I was given the responsibility of running the system and although the system worked for most, I am aware that not everyone could be accommodated to which I apologise.  In a perfect world we would have 100 beds.  I believe that Mark is looking into the possibility of a different hostel for next year!

The amount of food that was served up was quite incredible and we did run out of some food well before the end.

The last riders left us after the control had officially closed so hope they all made it to the finish in time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 17 May, 2010, 03:35:54 pm
Video now online, best seen in 720 HD where it says 360, that's at the bottom right of the picture, they've put an ad on it, that can be got rid of with the little cross at the top right of the ad box.

      YouTube
         - Broadcast Yourself.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU)

2mins 59 secs
very nice - probably the prettiest of your films I've seen. I guess Wales in sunshine is a rare treat! How could anyone NOT want to do this ride after watching that?

You should do a version where each clip of Mal Volio spinning has a contrasting frenetic soundtrack (William Tell Overture?), cos the rest of the film is so relaxing.

Actually I much prefer the Doris Day to your more modern music choices (even if I didn't get the joke).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 17 May, 2010, 04:13:31 pm

The amount of food that was served up was quite incredible and we did run out of some food well before the end.

The last riders left us after the control had officially closed so hope they all made it to the finish in time.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks Jethro: Missed out on the beds; just used the odd bus shelter and dry porch in the dark, damp traverse.  Enough food when I left just before the limit and enough at AberhXXX as well.  Even made the finish with BRM time to spare despite a 1/2hr late start (that explains why I had a lonely, yet very Scenic, ride).

Mark did a splendid job juggling his disparate teams and I know Mrs Black Sheep is a very happy ewe (really well done ewe) having joined the Ultra-SR club, a feeling I had on the BCM 4 yrs ago.

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 17 May, 2010, 04:18:45 pm
Actually I much prefer the Doris Day to your more modern music choices (even if I didn't get the joke).

Another reason I chose the track was the sun was shining brighter than Doris Day, the song that uses that lyric being especially appropriate to riding a 600 in company.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 17 May, 2010, 04:19:05 pm
p.s. lee no real steep climbs on this one. ;D

Well, I remember a steep climb just before descending into Monmouth and walking up a bit of a narrow gravelly lane (I can't even remember which day that was) but, on reflection, the Wuze was great prep and helped "iron out" a lot of the Welsh scenery.

Here's a brief summary:

The first 300km to Menai was the best Audax I have ever done.  The sensible thing to have done would have been to pack at that point, find a warm hotel and spend Sunday watching the Welsh countryside pass by through a train window.  
If I said "That is simple stunning!" once then I said it a hundred times.  scenery shrouded in cloud, rain and sleet in 2009 was revealed in all its glory in 2010.  Climbing to Pen-Y-Pass in the dark and rain in 2009 was replaced by a climb in the last 45 minutes of daylight (did I mention "simply stunning"?).   I can't imagine conditions on that first 300 could get much better, perfect.  Why, I ask myself, didn't I pack at that point and get a train home? The first spots of drizzle as we approached the Menai control were a definite clue.

Anyway, arriving back at Dolgellau, soaked and freezing, after a very long-seeming haul back to the YHA, my plan was to get changed into dry clothes, have a couple of hours kip and, most likely, pack if the weather hadn't changed.  I had no desire to ride 200km in that sort of rain.
Amazingly, in the space of 2 hours, a beautiful day had materialised.  Dry clothes and a warm morning make all the difference.  Spirits lifted I set off at 07:45 with chillmoister and urban_biker (I won't list the other YACFers as I can't remember them all and don't want to leave anyone out, there were lots of us out there though.  The virus is spreading).

I'd forgotten that the climb from Dolgellau along the A470 is unrelenting for absolutely miles.  It's a tough old start to the day and we were all peeling off layers at the garage even before the climb had really started.  4 hours previously we'd been crouched under a hedge, in a downpour, putting spare base layers on in an attempt to stave of the shakes.

The decent down the A470 gave me some flashbacks to the hail-storm descent in 2009 ("Death Shimmy" and the start of the demise of my British Eagle frame I think).  I was very nervous and used the brakes too often to really enjoy it.  I was just glad to get down it in one piece.  Chillmoister simply let go of the brakes and was a tiny speck in the distance when I had the guts to look into the distance (Rich Forrest did 92km/hr on this descent.  I imagine that was at least 30km/hr quicker than me)

The rest of the ride was about getting back to Chepstow for me.  It's unfair to blame anyone for the scenery on the latter stages of the ride but nothing can really compare to the things you see on that first 300km and first 50km of the second day.  Scenery that would, on other Audaxes, seem rather incredible comes across as rather "Meh!, is that all you've got?" once you've seen the slab of rock that is Cader Idris.

Anyway.....there were some lanes, some trees, gravel and other stuff on the final 150 then we arrived back at Chepstow for my first BCM600 finish ("Yay!  Woo!").  A daylight (just) finish was a bonus as was the Chinese Takeway, Beer, Champagne (well, Cava), Red Wine Travelodge (Room 101) Apres-Ride.

I don't know whether it's "Legal" to enter this event with the intention of only riding the first 300 but it would be one heck of a ride.  Just get someone to meet you in Llanberis and drive you home with your head still full of the best ride you ever did (Note 1)

Note 1 - Other weather conditions in Snowdonia are available.


A big thanks to Mark and the wonderful elves who work at the controls for making a difficult ride that much easier.

Another word of thanks to the Honey Cafe.  Please can every other cafe in the country take notes on how to do this properly?

Some other stuff probably happened but I have terrible ride recollection.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 17 May, 2010, 04:20:20 pm
Safely round and home now.

Light heartedly -- of course the faster riders should not be given beds - they should have 1 hour sleep on a hard floor after having a bucket of cold water thrown over them, no blankets or other coverings allowed - they must then depart within 150 minutes of arrival at Kings ( raining or not outside)- or they are "disqualified".

I do sometimes wonder whether you fast ones - realise what it is like to be an older steadyish sort of rider - who struggles on the hills etc - but finishes with a couple of hours in hand - having had the "light hearted " bit as my Kings experience ( I was the guy under the window in the food room) - well OK Mark didn't throw the bucket over me - the real world had done that.

Rode a fair bit of Day 1 with Ed Nevard and Jane ( Jez) and Bron ( not a YACFer I think). We opted for the Elan valley as an extra - just because it is a good bit to do - even tho we were not on the scenic. Jane was having knee probs, and thought about packing at Kings outbound , or inbound, etc.  Options were carefully considered - and with Eds approval Jane was left in my care to route find, avoiding Llanberis - ( I didnt need any arm twisting to agree to this)

From Menai back -having been slowing them down - I told them to push on - and I crept slowly back to Kings.

After about an hours sleep on the floor - it was grab something to eat and start slowly back - nice ride to Aber - although  slow - time in hand now - but it still means shortish control stops - and slow steady riding.

Foul lanes after - left at Forge.

I really do not like the ride to Llancloudy - I can not crack the rolling bits - as I am so tired - and I am always conscious that Llancloudy itself is coming - crept very slowly up - with computer reading 5kms/hr - I know that I am not about to fall off - but when it goes to 4kms/hr - and there is still possibly 300 yards of uphill to come - then you do begin to wonder -- finally after much effort it ticks UP to 5 - then 6 - then 7 and suddenly 16  -- DONE IT - just 1 more uphill to come.

Little Wheels - pulled up along side after Monmouth - ( we have a shared PBP 2007 experience) and so we chatted for 10 minutes or so - as he was waiting for JS to catch up. He opted to sit and look at Tintern Abbey and wait - while I trundled slowly home.

When I finished I was saying to myself - I am getting too old for this - and that is the last Chapman that I do -- but even now I am not quite so certain of that - the scenery is just so great - and the sense of achievement at the end - goes a long way to alleviate the suffering.

Last bit - quietly having a bite on the M4 service station - but who joins me - LW&B + JS - and we have a quiet chat about this and that, including LEL 2013,  - wish I hadnt been so tired - and that we had been in a pub - able to sink a pint - but they were heading for London and for me it was BEDTIME - but as a partial relax - this time spent with other "lunatics" was a good thing
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: keeks on 17 May, 2010, 04:25:34 pm
Well done all for completing this , especially those who rode the night section in the rain, ...........that would have been me !!

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

enjoy the rest and memories
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Weirdy Biker on 17 May, 2010, 04:50:48 pm
I don't know whether it's "Legal" to enter this event with the intention of only riding the first 300 but it would be one heck of a ride.  Just get someone to meet you in Llanberis and drive you home with your head still full of the best ride you ever did (Note 1)

I was pondering this on the Denmead 400, another ride that could be split into two nice rides (200 to the coast and then 200 back, with an overnight stay at the coast).

My pondering led me to realise that you could enter the calendar event and submit a DIY (with AAA if that initiative gets the nod).  In the usual way "DNS" the calendar event but enjoy the benefits of riding with other audaxers and (in the case of the BC600) the facilities at Kings.  All subject to calendar event organiser approval.

It's something I might do in the future as, despite being a hardcore audaxer (as it were) I do not really like riding at night.  It's something I endure and would quite happily do just two overnight rides every year (a 400 and 600, to keep my dreams of an Ultrarandonneur alive).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 17 May, 2010, 06:07:09 pm
Ride report (it's a biggie) (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29216.msg623428#msg623428).

(I realise there are currently two BCM600 reports in that thread. I stupidly replaced my Willy Warmer report with the BCM600 report and didn't noticed until it was too late. Hopefully there's a back up somewhere....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 17 May, 2010, 06:07:50 pm
I don't know whether it's "Legal" to enter this event with the intention of only riding the first 300 but it would be one heck of a ride.  Just get someone to meet you in Llanberis and drive you home with your head still full of the best ride you ever did (Note 1)

I was pondering this on the Denmead 400, another ride that could be split into two nice rides (200 to the coast and then 200 back, with an overnight stay at the coast).

In fact only a couple of months ago me chillmoister and urban_biker were sat, in the evening sun, eating fish & chips on Weston-S-M seafront.  We'd enjoyed a cracking first 200km of the Denmead 400 to get there and then spent the next 11 hours slogging through the night in sub-zero temperatures (including the 100km "barren" stage between service stations).  Truly a good ride gone bad  on that occasion.  2 x 200s could, like you say, would make 2 very nice rides.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 17 May, 2010, 06:41:03 pm
Ride report (it's a biggie) (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29216.msg623428#msg623428).

(I realise there are currently two BCM600 reports in that thread. I stupidly replaced my Willy Warmer report with the BCM600 report and didn't noticed until it was too late. Hopefully there's a back up somewhere....

Oh yes.

I have to thank Adamski for very kindly transporting my soggy glove from where he found it in the Teme Valley North of Knighton all the way back to Chepstow.  I was startled to find it waiting for me on a table at the finish, having overtaken me about 10 k from the end :)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 May, 2010, 06:42:39 pm
Ride report (it's a biggie) (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29216.msg623428#msg623428).

(I realise there are currently two BCM600 reports in that thread. I stupidly replaced my Willy Warmer report with the BCM600 report and didn't noticed until it was too late. Hopefully there's a back up somewhere....

Great report, but you've been too lenient with Mr Sucky.  He sucked away my spirit and I've decided to blame him for my swollen knee.  It was hard enough trying to keep pace in that headwind without having his mean-spirited tactics to contend with.  I've made an effigy of him, and he's to be struck down with anal boils on his next ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Maverick on 17 May, 2010, 07:42:15 pm
Just got in, having left Maverick in the Severn View about six hours ago.

What an epic! A 900 mile round trip by road and a 600km bike ride. Finally got home around 5pm today having stopped to sleep twice on the way ::-) Thanks for letting me share your Travelodge room Matt, a great improvement on the back of my car.

A brilliant ride, apparently missing out the highlights of previous years appalling weather ::-) Seriously though, as others have said an amazing ride. Many, many thanks to Nuncio, Miniog and MattH for tolerating me joining them just after Harlech when I was starting to struggle a bit. Also thanks to Kcass and Adam for their company and good humour. The rest of the ride was a mixture of low points (in the rain up the climb to Trawsfyndd with a bike that wouldn't drop into the granny ring, just missing the last bed at Kings), and some fabulous highs - Pen-Y-Pass, Cader Idris in the early morning, Miniog telling me every climb in the last 100km was the last big one, Nuncio telling me how much worse each section was last year  ;D

Finally thanks to Mark (do you really want me to persuade McNasty to come and ride this next year :) ) and all his helpers, the organisation and controls were great. I saw Mark at all but 2 of the controls (and stood outside a pub apparently inviting us for a drink )

My first 600 and first SR complete  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hummers on 17 May, 2010, 08:38:53 pm
Well done all.  :thumbsup:

Great to read the reports too.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 17 May, 2010, 08:41:24 pm
Oh that was just great! Not sure if I can say that I enjoyed every single last bit of it, but the whole experience was just great great great great. For me it was a one-of-a-kind event. It is very likely that I will ride a couple of more 600km audaxes or even longer distances. But this will always stick out. Not only because of the novelty - it was just perfect. Thanks to all the people who made this possible.

And on the other hand I can be it more reasonable and tell you that the best stage for me was from Kings YH Dolgellau to Menai Bridge on day one (the sea and mountains in late afternoon and early evening light!), second best the first stage on day two from YHA to Aberhafesp (a clean morning after the rain, fresh air, wet roads, fantastic scenery) and on third place the night ride from Menai Bridge back to YH (night riding magic: the real world lasts till the edge of your light and beyond is magic land; Deano, particularly a big thanks for riding this whole stage [and the one before] with me and esp. for helping me out with batteries).

On day two I had to hurry up a bit as the family was waiting for me. This in turn led to loads of solo riding because I didn't meet a rider/group on my cruising speed. Anyway, I arrived sometime before five which was perfect as 5pm was the agreed time.

Oh and I am celebrity now ;)! You can see Deano and me for few of seconds at 1.55 at Pen-y Pass: Bryan Chapman 2010 in Snowdonia video by damonpeacock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHWajFKfRU).



Fame at last!

You can also see us in this photo (Nonsteeler at the front, me second):

BAR 11 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4610445050/in/set-72157624068253490/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 17 May, 2010, 09:07:33 pm
Kewl.... just seen one of myself and Bingo Adamski here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4610442818/in/set-72157624068253490/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2010, 09:22:19 pm
super video Damon & terrific pics from Toby.That's the first time I've seen ChrisN riding a geared bike.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 17 May, 2010, 09:25:26 pm
Well, I had a pleasant ride.  I was very lucky with the weather - the heavy rain was just starting as I was pushing my bike up the hill to the youth hostel at 1.30 am.  I was asleep by 2, and just before I left in the morning, the chap at King's came in to announce that it had stopped raining.

I had some great company on the ride, and met loads of YACFers, mostly for the first time.  I didn;t get chance to say hello again to LEE and chillmoister, who were being shooed into the dormitory as I was leaving, and I saw swarm catcher riding towards the hostel as I rode away.  It can't have been much fun riding through the night in that rain - Julian Dyson arrived at about 5 am, and I asked if he was going to sleep.  He said he hated sleeping in wet clothes, so he was just going to have breakfast and ride on, hardy chap that he is.

Thanks to everyone who kept me company on the road - Neil from Billingham (via Bristol), who showed my clubmate and I the scenic route into Builth Wells, which was a much preferable alternative to the main road and the timber wagons.  We reminisced about the north east, and I tried to convince him to come up and ride some events up here. I rode north to the youth hostel with a very strong rider in a Velocake top, who was also riding fixed.  I've never known a field with so many other fixed riders.

North of the youth hostel and across Barmouth Sands, we were riding briefly with mrs blacksheep, who I saw throughout the ride, and I hooked up with Nonsteeler for the night section.  That was a great help, especially when I felt a bit rough at Beddgelert, just before Pen-y-Pass.  Coming back, we ran into vorsprung, who was excellent company along that interminable drag to the youth hostel.  He said it was 10 miles long, which I simply didn't believe, but I suspect he might have sugared the pill.

I can only echo what everyone else has said about the leg from Dolgellau: the crossing of Barmouth Sands took me back to summer days bouncing up and down on the boards at Saltburn pier, wondering if they would break: a marvellously old-fashioned place, before the hedonism of Barmouth (which must be hilarious in the evening) and the ride along the coast, gazing across at the mountains which we had to cross.  Then coming through the narrow gorge north of Beddgelert, and ascending Pen-y-Pass as the sun was beginning to set.  Words fail me to describe the beauty and otherworldliness of this place, at that time.

Actually, the whole ride was fab.  I set off into the sunny Sunday morning, caught up with my clubmate and had a relaxed cruise back to the finish. 

I might have to ride this again, aking in more of the scenic options, especially the Elan valley.

Many thanks to the helpers and to the organiser, as well as to the other riders.  Riding a long-distance even in a big field, with staffed controls, is a new experience for me, and one I'd hope to repeat :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 17 May, 2010, 09:31:14 pm
super video Damon & terrific pics from Toby.That's the first time I've seen ChrisN riding a geared bike.

You'll have to ride it one year :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 17 May, 2010, 09:52:25 pm
Great shot of Mal Volio too!  Any of these Barmouth bridge shots would make great Arrive covers.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3334/4610443074_0f5c7d4c97.jpg)

And here's a great shot of Adamski relaxing at Dolgellau!

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Nemorach/bingo7.jpg)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2010, 10:07:59 pm
Ride report (it's a biggie) (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=29216.msg623428#msg623428).

(I realise there are currently two BCM600 reports in that thread. I stupidly replaced my Willy Warmer report with the BCM600 report and didn't noticed until it was too late. Hopefully there's a back up somewhere....

You should not have written that report adamski.I enjoyed it so much that i want to do the ride which is a riduculous notion for someone who struggles with a 100km audax,thinks a 200km ride is an enormous undertaking &,as you know,struggles up Badger Hill on Cannock Chase.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2010, 10:30:28 pm
super video Damon & terrific pics from Toby.That's the first time I've seen ChrisN riding a geared bike.

You'll have to ride it one year :)

I'll ask Mrs.Jogler if I can borrow her Goldwing ::-)
which she hasn't got yet

I notice that Maverick travelled further to do this ride than we will to do the Snow Roads :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 17 May, 2010, 10:50:55 pm
super video Damon & terrific pics from Toby.That's the first time I've seen ChrisN riding a geared bike.

You'll have to ride it one year :)

I'll ask Mrs.Jogler if I can borrow her Goldwing ::-)
which she hasn't got yet

I notice that Maverick travelled further to do this ride than we will to do the Snow Roads :o

I'd ride around this with you, if you fancied it.  If you want to ride London-Edinburgh-London, there's no reason why you shouldn't ride this: it would be good preparation.  And as adamski's RR shows, it's a ride worth riding.  Although it's not the flattest, it has a very large field, which is simply inspiring.  And you are well looked after at the controls.

I'm glad you mentioned the Snow Roads.  We must arrange travel - and talk Martin into riding.  I think he's beginning to crack ;D


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 17 May, 2010, 10:55:30 pm
I'm glad you mentioned the Snow Roads.  We must arrange travel - and talk Martin into riding.  I think he's beginning to crack ;D
No he isn't, I've explained my constraints, now maybe I can arrange an interview and get the DWP to pay my expenses.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 17 May, 2010, 11:06:16 pm
You two's will have PM imminently
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: akin on 17 May, 2010, 11:36:01 pm
Three months ago I rode my first audax.  This weekend I completed my first SR series.

Overall a great ride. Can not recommend it enough. Anyone thinking of doing it most definetely should. A couple of months ago I had it as an aim for next year I am so glad I went for this year.

I had really bad week leading up in terms of work. Long stressfull days and I felt exhausted. 5 hours sleep on thursday and a missed connection late on friday night made me think it was not meant to be. The train staff at newport put on a cab to Chepstow. I eventually settled in my tent around midnight in sedbury. I awoke quite tired but it soon subsided as I began riding.

The first stage was a joy out to Honey's. I didnt over excert myself by trying to keep with the very front group as I knew i could not stay with them and it takes me a good few hours to start riding well. I was feeling really good after the first control and got into a decent rhythm. I knew I was riding too fast, I over took a fair few people. When I got into some head winds later on I started to suffer and people went past I couldnt hold onto the back of a group long enough to recover so crawled to the cafe stop. From then to Kings I was fine again rode with a couple of other guys.

The stage from Kings to Menai was simply stunning. The cost and the climbs. Rode the section alone and struggled to get into a decent rhythm up the first part of Pen Y, but it was beautiful none the less.

Menai to Kings was horrific. I ended up tagging along with a group half the way, The group fragmented for a variety of reasons.  I felt guilty because I could not put a turn in on the front, but I could barely hold their wheel. I eventually got cut adrift and had a horrible lonely ride in the rain back to Kings. Lucky there was no where to go to give up because I was on the verge. I had ridden the Brevet Cymru and put up with worse conditions but it was really sapping me.

Did not get back to Kings until gone 3. Needless to say there was not a bed, but one was available at 4. I showered and dried off and felt a whole lot better but needed to sleep. When I got taken to the room there was someone in the bed so I conceded defeat and slept on the floor without any covers for an hour and a half. Woke up naturally and felt refreshed(?).

The rain had stopped, ate some food and set off with the sun coming out at just after 06:30. The ride to the first control was a steady one, taking in the scenery and enjoying it. It took me a while to get going but I felt pretty happy with how I was feeling considering I was entering 'the unknown' distance wise.

After the first control on the second day I tagged along with kcass, miniog, maverick, nuncio and matth.  A nice mix of riders completing their first SR and a few experienced riders. I would like to thank them for the company as it made it into a very nice day indeed, Pleasure meeting you all. Finished quite strongly although my left knee completely went up Llancloudy and I struggled to stay with them as I was in a lot of pain on the ride back past Tintern into Chepstow.

I finished the ride before 19:00 well inside the BRM. Really pleased. Now im just nursing a few aches and pains in my knees and achillies.

The next (logical?) step is the Mille in July.

I would also like to extend my gratitude to Mark and all the volunteers for making ithe whole experience possible.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 18 May, 2010, 12:06:38 am


I'd ride around this with you, if you fancied it.  If you want to ride London-Edinburgh-London, there's no reason why you shouldn't ride this: it would be good preparation. 




You would? I may ask you to do that then next year.That's the sort of incentive I need to get back into regular riding & as you say I will have to do these type of routes/distances in prep. for LEL 2013

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 18 May, 2010, 12:13:18 am


I'd ride around this with you, if you fancied it.  If you want to ride London-Edinburgh-London, there's no reason why you shouldn't ride this: it would be good preparation. 




You would? I may ask you to do that then next year.That's the sort of incentive I need to get back into regular riding & as you say I will have to do these type of routes/distances in prep. for LEL 2013


I have it on my dance card for 2011 for PBP qualification.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 18 May, 2010, 08:10:31 am


I'd ride around this with you, if you fancied it.  If you want to ride London-Edinburgh-London, there's no reason why you shouldn't ride this: it would be good preparation. 




You would? I may ask you to do that then next year.That's the sort of incentive I need to get back into regular riding & as you say I will have to do these type of routes/distances in prep. for LEL 2013



If I do make it down (and my clubmate was talking about riding again), then yes :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 18 May, 2010, 09:20:44 am
Well, that was a bit of a "Concorde moment" for everyone in one way or another.

Provisionally at least 96 heroes (and heroines) pedalled themselves into a bit of AUK history.

For some - their first 600. And others - their first SR has now been bagged.
For a few - the ghosts of previous attempts, have now been put to rest.
A smaller number now enter the AUK higher etchelons as an ultra-randoneur.
Another gained their ultra-randoneur (with bar).
And amazingly, one individual added a second bar to their ultra-randoneur status.

If you were part of this event in any way shape or form, look back in six months time when the rose tinted specs are off, and realise you were part of something quite special.

I can see I'm going to have to take this organising thing seriously from now-on. 2011 planning is already underway.

As I type this, I can quitely hear a mandolin and Michael Stipe saying ".....But that was just a dream, just a dream......".

Well perhaps it just was.


Mark - you are a star! And the team were superb. This has to be one of the best audaxes on the calendar if not THE best. Anyone out there who can manage a 200k and not tried anything bigger - this is well worth aspiring to.

I'd also like to say how superb the staff at Honey Cafe were. Not many places could deal so quickly with such a professional and friendly manner with so many hungry cyclists arriving at once. A brilliant cafe control.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 18 May, 2010, 09:28:40 am
Great report, but you've been too lenient with Mr Sucky.  He sucked away my spirit and I've decided to blame him for my swollen knee.  It was hard enough trying to keep pace in that headwind without having his mean-spirited tactics to contend with.  I've made an effigy of him, and he's to be struck down with anal boils on his next ride.

You're right. He pi$$ed me off too. It felt like a race when he was playing his game to ensure he remained at the back of the line and swinging off the front after only a few minutes. Instead of enjoying the cycling I was trying to get Mr. Sucky to do some work and that's partly why I disliked that section so much. It was amusing to watch him attempting to departure from the controls with other rides, no doubt because he was after another wheel to suck.




And here's a great shot of Adamski relaxing at Dolgellau!

[img height=256 width=192]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Nemorach/bingo7.jpg[/img]

That's clearly not taken at Dolgellau. I had planned on an onanibics session to aid my recovery at the hostel and therefore I'd put a jazz mag in my drop bag. However, when I got back to Dolgellau in the evening my magazine was missing. I suspect Flatus stole it because he admitted he didn't get any sleep that night 'cos he spent the whole night tossing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2010, 09:52:29 am
Didn't need a jazz mag. Once the rohypnol had taken effect the entire dormitory had their way with you....

Hehe...

Adamski: "Cycling 600km sure does make your arse sore, doesn't it?"
Flatus: (http://www.ivytodd.com/images/whistle.gif)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 09:52:35 am
That was a tough one!

Not enough miles in the legs, a double-puncture at Newbridge-on-Wye, indigestion, a hacking cough (sorry to anyone trying to sleep in the common room, it was me coughing my guts out), the consequent lack of sleep at Kings and my constant "twatting about" (thanks, Fidgetbuzz) meant that I finished at 8pm (about 3 hours later than my previous two outings).

I still enjoyed it though: the night section -- despite the rain -- was eerily gorgeous (as ever); the views at Harlech, Pen-y-Pass, the drop to Dinas Mawddwy, and everywhere else. Had a fantastic 2 hour sleep in a field on the hill up from Newtown in the sunshine, which perked me up no end. I even enjoyed the last section (after the crappy lanes) where my legs seemed to catch light properly for the first time. Especially impressive to see Rich Forrest achieve Mach 2 on the roller-coaster.

Thanks to Ed, Jane, Bron and Fidgetbuzz for letting me tag along for a bit until Harlech, and another bit in the night. Sorry I wasn't able to help more with the pacing.

Nice to meet some forummers (even if you don't know me from Adam, bit of a lurker these days).

Of course, big thanks to all the helpers -- you really, really do make the ride special.

(Not very good) photos to follow.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 18 May, 2010, 09:58:13 am
I was tempted by Patio Song by Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, especially for the lines, 'Mae'n bwrw glaw
So dal fy llaw', but the talk of patios, boating and kissing would probably have upset the less metaphorically minded AUKs.
The outing was something of a technical test, I wanted to see if I could incorporate footage taken with a tripod at Barmouth with handheld stuff taken from the roadside at opportunity, and to see what the limits of the camera were, it handles shooting against the light well,  but is a bit 'noisy' in poorer light. There's not enough footage from that one ride for a DVD.

I think the quality is superb and I really didn't notice the transition from tripod to handheld, but then your technique is superb.  I think that getting the colour temp, exposure and contrast consistent is more important personally, and you have this nailed too.  My only criticism is that I'm not in it, although that's probably a blessing for the overall aesthetic.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: AikenDrum on 18 May, 2010, 10:06:07 am
Now that's spooky! Patio Song was playing on Spotify as I was composing this!

That was one of the driest BCM's i've done, and like Mark's missus, it entitles me to join the ranks of the Ultra immortals...go me!  O:-)
 
All the grumbles about wheel sucking remind me why I prefer to ride on my own though.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 18 May, 2010, 10:10:21 am

Nice to meet some forummers (even if you don't know me from Adam, bit of a lurker these days).


We sort of met.  I was in the pub on Friday, talking knees with Scottlington, and asking the third Simon if he was capable of riding a bike without measuring things (we all knew the answer, didn't we?).  And I was in the group that passed when you were fixing your puncture and looked up to say 'Wow! A peloton', which amused me.  And I was in the common room trying to sleep (... ahem.)  And I met Adam later, so now know the difference.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 18 May, 2010, 10:28:51 am
I rode north to the youth hostel with a very strong rider in a Velocake top, who was also riding fixed.  I've never known a field with so many other fixed riders.

Oh you fixer! Indeed it was amazing to see you doing all the hard stuff with one gear and no freewheel. For instance, John (the Velo Cake guy and owner of the blog with the same name) was strong as ever. Tough, when I talked to him he said that this will be one-off on fixed. Not sure if he meant the BCM in general or only the scenic version... Or the 180k I spent with Deano...

You guys on late 19th century bike technology were really awesome. One day (maybe next year?) I will give it a go, too. Till then I'll nurture my inferiority complex ;).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 10:31:05 am
All the grumbles about wheel sucking remind me why I prefer to ride on my own though.

Indeed; ride your own ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 18 May, 2010, 10:48:46 am
That was the best weekend of cycling I've ever had.  The 2004 route is good, but the Scenic is utterly amazing.  I don't think I could ever ride it again though, because it can't ever be as good as this year.

Compare and contrast:

Tal y llyn, 2009
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/3541880441_9a54638396.jpg)

Near Beddgelert, 2009
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3542690892_866341e83a.jpg)

Tal y llyn, 2010
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4615723442_5ff82d1a68.jpg)

Near Beddgelert, 2010
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/4615114981_20d1ba37c2.jpg)

More snaps
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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: AikenDrum on 18 May, 2010, 10:53:10 am
Oh you fixer! Indeed it was amazing to see you doing all the hard stuff with one gear and no freewheel. For instance, John (the Velo Cake guy and owner of the blog with the same name) was strong as ever. Tough, when I talked to him he said that this will be one-off on fixed. Not sure if he meant the BCM in general or only the scenic version... Or the 180k I spent with Deano...

You guys on late 19th century bike technology were really awesome. One day (maybe next year?) I will give it a go, too. Till then I'll nurture my inferiority complex ;).

John's made it a goal to complete an SR on fixed this year, although he rides fixed pretty regularly. I did the scenic on 65" fixed a few years ago - first day was great, but I missed the gears as soon as I left Dolgellau on Sunday morn.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 18 May, 2010, 11:21:52 am

All the grumbles about wheel sucking remind me why I prefer to ride on my own though.

Normally I couldn't care less about somebody hitching a tow, it's fair game as far as I'm concerned and I'm more than grateful for a bit of shelter when I need it but this really pissed me and Adam off. I'm pretty certain it would have irritated most riders. Four hours of it as well.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 18 May, 2010, 11:34:55 am
Time for my report, I guess!

First, thanks to Mark and his team (plus the staff at the café controls). Their tireless efforts really do make a difference.

I left home on Friday evening at about 18:45, to ride 145km to Cribbs Causeway. Last year I had problems with my SON hub and ended up limping to a friends house in Bristol at about 2am, this year was much faster and I was at the Travelodge shortly after 11:30. Luckily I spotted the lack of towels in the room before I jumped into the bath, so went down and grabbed those, and a mug, and some drinks. I didn’t spot that the sheets on the bed hadn’t been changed until I was ready to lie down, threw back the duvet and saw the huge coffee (I hope) stain in them  :sick:  zero out of ten for that lodge


Back on the bike just after 4:30, and arrived at the start by about ten past five. I was feeling a bit wobbly though – I’d intended grabbing some breakfast at a garage but didn’t find one on my way in. A few helpings of jam on hot cross buns sorted me out, but after a fast start I was definitely slowing as I got to the first control. A full breakfast there went down brilliantly, and I teamed up with Nuncio and Miniog for the rest of the ride (I’d joined them in Menai last year).

Quite a few km up the road, Nuncio mentioned that he’d left one of his bottles at the café. Some miles further, I went for mine to see I’d done the same! Luckily we both had a second bottle, which saw us through to a lunch stop at Bow Street Spa,  few km before the control at Trer Ddol (we’d had a long wait there last year, so decided to bounce it this time).  A Spa 750ml water bottle fits nicely in a bottle cage!

It was good to see Jethro at Kings, then a good run up to Menai. I didn’t realise that it was the Things on the tandem we kept leapfrogging until later. All of the ride up to Menai is brilliant scenery wise, there really aren’t any bits I’d prefer to miss out. It was much more pleasant riding Pen Y Pass in cool, bright conditions than the dark and rain I had last year (whilst nursing a poorly rider to Bangor). Menai in daylight had been my aim, and we made it – just!

We left Menai in a group of eight – Nuncio, Miniog, Maverick, kcass, Mrs. Blacksheep, Gary(?), another rider and myself. This section went pretty well, except for the horrible draggy climb at the end. I’m tempted to do as Mrs Blacksheep said she sometimes does, and go back via Barmouth next time. We did get rained on a little – enough for me to break out the full goretex gimp suit, though the others didn’t bother with waterproof trousers – but it wasn’t nasty.

At Kings I was feeling a bit peculiar. I think Mark may thought I was really upset about not having a bed as I was staring at him as he was explaining how the common room really wasn't that bad. In fact I was wondering if I was going to remain upright or not. Sorry Mark!
I just missed the last beds (literally – Miniog and kcass from our group got them!), so spent the night on a sofa in the common room. A yacf buff blindfold and LEL issue earplugs helped, so other than slightly stiff knees from being curled up I was OK.

The early morning climb was much easier than last year, and the big drop afterwards benefitted from the lack of hail. The smell of bacon at the next control was most welcome, although the guys there were a little overrun (Judith S. ended up helping out by clearing the brevet card backlog for them). That's no disrepect to them, there were simply a lot of riders arriving and they had made the sensible choice to concentrate on feeding people rather than doing paperwork.

The picnic at Weobly was great, sitting in the sun with plenty of time in hand to contemplate the rollers going up to Llancloudy. They were lots of fun, until the last one – though I still managed to climb that OK, and to have a quick chat to the Things as we approached the summit.

We got back before 7pm, which was a good result, then over to the Severn View Travelodge. I’d not actually been into the services there before (last year I just used the petrol station as it was so late that they were shut) – it was disappointing to find that it was either a Burger King “meal” or a Panini from Costa – but I didn’t fancy heading down to the pub in cycling kit. Still, the biggest sandwich that BK do went down quite easily.

Up at 6 in the morning (having got to bed by 10 – almost 8 hours in bed in the middle of a long ride is pure luxury!), with Maverick now having taken part in the forum tradition of having shared a cheap hotel room with someone he’d met on the internet, and waking up with a sore bottom. I was on the road shortly before 7.

The ride home was glorious – perfect cycling weather and I felt good and strong. Climbing “Labour In Vain Hill” by Calne on the A4 always raises a smile! I was home before 1pm, and needing to go to the supermarket just swapped over my audax bag for an empty SQR tour and hit the road again. Getting home finally after 965km, I was seriously thinking of taking advantage of the nice weather and going out again to make it a round 1000km, but then decided that would just be silly so had some food and waited for the family to get home from school.

I don’t really think the weekend could have gone much better. Many, many thanks to those that I rode with, and especially to the organiser and his hard working team.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 18 May, 2010, 11:41:22 am
Light heartedly -- of course the faster riders should not be given beds - they should have 1 hour sleep on a hard floor after having a bucket of cold water thrown over them, no blankets or other coverings allowed - they must then depart within 150 minutes of arrival at Kings ( raining or not outside)- or they are "disqualified".
:) This bit made me really laugh ;D. Also reminded of a piece in a recent Arrivee about how it feels when you are rider who tends to linger at the end of the field...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Halloween on 18 May, 2010, 11:43:56 am
What an amazing ride in (mostly) glorious sunshine - favourite bits:
Elan Valley and Llanberis with Julian Cole,
Evening ride to Menai - bringing back childhood memories and meeting my (non-cycling) bro (who lives in Beaumaris) at the control there,
Waking up on Sunday morning to sunshine after a soaking on Saturday night,
Afternoon tea in Weobley

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(infinitely superior to a Ginsters from the One-Stop Shop!!),
The powerful smell of wild garlic along the valley back to Chepstow,
A glorious pint of Butcombe Gold in the Bowl Inn, Almondsbury.

Loads of thanks to Mark and the teams for splendiferous service and for sacrificing the required number of virgins to ensure good weather!

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 18 May, 2010, 12:03:09 pm


Loads of thanks to Mark and the teams for splendiferous service and for sacrificing the required number of virgins to ensure good weather!



Wales must have been short of the required virgins to cover the night stage ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: AikenDrum on 18 May, 2010, 12:03:38 pm

All the grumbles about wheel sucking remind me why I prefer to ride on my own though.

Normally I couldn't care less about somebody hitching a tow, it's fair game as far as I'm concerned and I'm more than grateful for a bit of shelter when I need it but this really pissed me and Adam off. I'm pretty certain it would have irritated most riders. Four hours of it as well.



Last time I recall someone doing it to me so blatantly was some yank at PBP99. He'd glued himself to my back wheel for several miles, so I kept switching my line hoping he'd get the message. The cheeky bugger actually started complaining and told me to keep still, so I told him to f*** right off.

I came bottom of the class for tact and diplomacy... does it show?

 :demon:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 18 May, 2010, 12:08:30 pm
I came bottom of the class for tact and diplomacy... does it show?

No. Tactless would be a scattering of small caltraps...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2010, 12:17:02 pm
That was the best weekend of cycling I've ever had.  The 2004 route is good, but the Scenic is utterly amazing.  I don't think I could ever ride it again though, because it can't ever be as good as this year.

Oh dear, I've driven away a customer - How can I keep them coming back?

I know, I'll put on a "Chris n" version, all the good bits of the "Scenic" but with parts of which have never featured on a BCM before.

Maybe put on a version that goes hrough Staylittle as well. You won't need any sheep to sort the men from the boys on that one.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 18 May, 2010, 12:21:07 pm
Hmm, wheelsucking...
So someone pisses you off for 4 hours, and you never say anything to them, then bitch about it on the interweb.

Is this related to the avoiding eye contact at the start business? ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Fidgetbuzz on 18 May, 2010, 12:24:32 pm

:) This bit made me really laugh ;D. Also reminded of a piece in a recent Arrivee about how it feels when you are rider who tends to linger at the end of the field...

Glad it amused someone.
But I dont linger at the back by choice - that is the best I can do - and therefore I have to have a shorter sleep ( ha ha) stop to still let me get round in time. Cambrian 600 I ride right thru - but Chapman has too much climbing for me to do that - so it has to be an hour or two on a hard floor - and if unlucky that is wet and cold as well - fortunately with the drop bag - not wet and cold this year.

But this isnt a moan -a  great ride -with a  lot of personal satisfaction -  just throw away lines to get you faster guys to see how some of us have to manage -in order to get as much out of the ride as anyone. In fact now that I think about it -- do I get more - first of all i am riding for longer - and then I have the different experience from a normal day -- of not having a warm comfortable bed with several hours sleep.

So maybe when I add these in - I have actually had a much more "interesting" ride than those who finish well ahead of me  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 18 May, 2010, 12:25:21 pm
One man's 'wheelsucking' is another man's 'clinging on for dear life'!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 18 May, 2010, 12:39:28 pm
Here is my report from a helpers point of view.

First riders at Kings the second time through was at 20.59 and were away again within 30 mins.  Then the rain began at about 11 ish so everyone wanted a bed.  Unfortunately there were only 42 beds and nearly 100 riders to accommodate, so we set up a system of giving riders about 3 hours sleep and then hopefully allow other later arrivals the chance of getting at least a couple of hours. I was given the responsibility of running the system and although the system worked for most, I am aware that not everyone could be accommodated to which I apologise.  In a perfect world we would have 100 beds.
3 hours sleep is MORE than enough on a 600. The problem is for the tired back-markers who get bugger-all sleep on a hard floor with the racket of the fast boys (and gurrls) stomping about.<only experienced this on other rides, I should stress!>

You did the right thing running sleep shifts. One day I shall arrive at a control with no sleeping space,  pick the fastest looking rider already asleep, give em a shake and tell them where breakfast is. But it's better if the helpers can manage this process ... :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 18 May, 2010, 12:46:07 pm
I know, I'll put on a "Chris n" version, all the good bits of the "Scenic" but with parts of which have never featured on a BCM before.

Maybe put on a version that goes hrough Staylittle as well. You won't need any sheep to sort the men from the boys on that one.

 :thumbsup:

North up the Elan Valley and past Nant y Moch then south via Pandy, Staylittle, Llanidloes and Bwlch y Sarnau?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nonsteeler on 18 May, 2010, 01:29:52 pm
:) This bit made me really laugh ;D. Also reminded of a piece in a recent Arrivee about how it feels when you are rider who tends to linger at the end of the field...
Glad it amused someone.
But I dont linger at the back by choice - that is the best I can do - and therefore I have to have a shorter sleep ( ha ha) stop to still let me get round in time (...)

You are right, I should be more careful with my wording. Didn't mean to cause any offence; the verb 'to linger' implies that all the slower riders have a choice. As you rightly pointed out this is not always true. Also my comment should not be read as if I am poking fun at slower riders. Just thought it is a very good and humours way of depicting the situation, well written to the point.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 18 May, 2010, 01:31:40 pm
For those who have never ridden a BCM600 here is a pictoral representation of what it's like

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u249/freddered/Audax/BCM2.jpg?t=1274185052)

then

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then

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then more

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then

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then

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then

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then

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and finally

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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 18 May, 2010, 01:43:31 pm
To ask for a better first 600 would probably be greedy.

I started well, averaging 25kph for the first 200 or so, bouncing the first 2 controls because I had no idea how much time I needed in hand later on. Thanks to the Things for the tow on the first leg btw.

Bouncing controls meant that I overtook a few of the fast boys, as they relaxed  over 2nd breakfasts, and got to ride with them (briefly) as they caught up with me again. Had a nice fast ride with SimonP, Mal Volio and Vorsprung for a while.

The long climb up past Tal-Y-Llyn was a grind and the descent a real tease. It came eventually tho taking me down to the youth hostel where I was in a bit of a daze and faffed around a lot not really knowing what to wear for the night section.

Got a puncture somewhere around Harlech and this actually helped me relax for the first time  on the ride. I was by the sea, it was a really warm lovely evening I  and took my time.

Now resigned to riding on my own I was just about to go into the Spar at Pen...draeth when I saw a small group approaching and decided the crisps could wait  and hopped on. This was to be my group for the rest of the ride. I'd met Nuncio the night before on the way to the Boar's Head in Aust, MattH introduced himself and that was that. I've never ridden in a group before that seemed to stay together so easily. The ride up to Pen-Y-Pass was great. I'd been kind of dreading it but I must be fitter than last year when I cycled the other way from Betwys-Y-Coed to Nant Gwynant and thought it was going to be a lot steeper. The sun was getting low now and everything looked and felt amazing.

Following MattH down the other side was probably the biggest buzz of the ride. Flat out, no need to brake, the bends seemed to be designed for riding fast around. Then we regrouped for the ride to Menai.

Back at Dolgellau I got the last bed - I hope I looked at least a little sheepish about it. Woke at 6 after 3 hours sleep to find the rain had stopped and by the time I got back on the bike the sun was shining.

I left at 7am and with my average speed now down to 22/23kph figured on 10 hours riding 2 hours farting around and I'd be in Chepstow by 7pm. And that's how it was. I had no idea what to expect from the day or my legs having never done back to back rides but I felt brilliant. The 2 big climbs I'd been warned about were OK, the descents (which noone had mentioned) were fantastic. Got up to 82 on the first one.

Met up with the group again at Aberhafesp, they'd left Dolgellau before me as I was having packing issues, and the rest of the day rolled by. Akin (another Mille rider) joined the group for the last 2 stages and after a few stings in the tail in the last couple of hours we were back in Chepstow to the customary end of ride lack of fanfare which I still (and I know I shouldn't) find slightly underwhelming. I made up for it by having loads of tea and toast (thanks iddu!) and left at 8 to cycle to Bristol Parkway.

I'm so glad I hooked up with the Gruppetto Nuncio et al for most of the last 350km. Everyone was a joy to ride with and the company for the last bit back to Dolgellau a godsend. Maverick - I hope to see you on the Mille. And Miniog - I'll definitely be looking into cycling undershorts (the reason why is not for these pages!)

I only had trouble for the last couple of hours each day and that was just sleepiness. Discovered the joys of ProPlus but I think I drink too much coffee for them to be too much help.

Met loads of forumites, rode with 5 of the top 7 bikejournal loggers(if there's such a thing) and seem to be looking forward to next year already. What a ride.

I'd also like to add my thanks to Mark and his army without whom I would not have had such a great ride.


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Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 01:44:50 pm
Photies: Picasa Web Albums - Simon - BCM 2010 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 18 May, 2010, 01:59:07 pm

Where/what are those piccies? Great views anyway.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 18 May, 2010, 02:03:22 pm
You'd know if you'd ridden it, you gert poof
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 02:04:33 pm

Where/what are those piccies? Great views anyway.

Didn't a map show up? I linked them all on Google Maps.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 02:08:55 pm

Where/what are those piccies? Great views anyway.

Sorry. Duh. you were talking to kcass. His are of Cader Idris (at the top of the climb from Dolgellau on the A247), and the same road a bit further on looking over the top to Dinas Mawddwy.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 18 May, 2010, 02:15:42 pm
The view of the coast and snowdonia on the run up to Harlech  (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579692886394786)is just about my favourite part of the ride (weather permitting!). The run out to Dolgellau is in the bag and its an easy stretch before climbing into the long cold night.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 18 May, 2010, 02:17:30 pm
You'd know if you'd ridden it, you gert poof

When I rode it I was focused on the wheel in front.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 18 May, 2010, 02:22:34 pm
(http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579692886394786)

The view of the coast and snowdonia on the run up to Harlech is just about my favourite part of the ride

2007 BCM was the first time I'd been in that part of Wales. On seeing the mountains I said to Plug "Wow! Look at those! Wonder where that is?"

.... to which he replied

"hur hur hur you'll find out in a couple of hours"
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Manotea on 18 May, 2010, 02:25:01 pm
(http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579692886394786)

The view of the coast and snowdonia on the run up to Harlech is just about my favourite part of the ride

2007 BCM was the first time I'd been in that part of Wales. On seeing the mountains I said to Plug "Wow! Look at those! Wonder where that is?"

.... to which he replied

"hur hur hur you'll find out in a couple of hours"

"What are those strange lights in the sky, shining through the clouds"

Answer: Car Headlights...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 May, 2010, 02:31:31 pm
(http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579692886394786)

The view of the coast and snowdonia on the run up to Harlech is just about my favourite part of the ride

2007 BCM was the first time I'd been in that part of Wales. On seeing the mountains I said to Plug "Wow! Look at those! Wonder where that is?"

.... to which he replied

"hur hur hur you'll find out in a couple of hours"

I did take a shot of that, the view could be improved by the felling of the pines in the top right of the photo which mask the Castle.
View at Harlech on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4618752676/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2010, 03:04:47 pm
Proof that Scenic doesn't translate to hilly.

One of the smaller debates during (or possibly at arrivee), was which was the hilliest route to take to the showground at Builth after the Bronllys Control? There was no question that the Scenid route is aprox 1km longer.

My results show that the 2004 route is 22km, with 223m of climb.

And the Scenic is 23km, with 197m of climb.

OK not a huge difference - but one that would surprise most.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vistaed on 18 May, 2010, 03:15:13 pm
Looking at the pictures and readign te reprotas I really do wish I'd started this ride and not stayed at home. But then again, I'm sure I'll see plenty of Wales on the MC in July.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 18 May, 2010, 03:50:31 pm
Didn't need a jazz mag. Once the rohypnol had taken effect the entire dormitory had their way with you....

 ;D ;D ;D
I reckon Flatus could make you laugh if your arse was on fire.
Excellent banter :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 18 May, 2010, 03:54:18 pm
That was the best weekend of cycling I've ever had.  The 2004 route is good, but the Scenic is utterly amazing.  I don't think I could ever ride it again though, because it can't ever be as good as this year.



maybe that's 'cause you were on gears,not fixed :demon: ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 18 May, 2010, 04:11:26 pm
One other rather excellent (for me) stat from this ride was the burning of 40,800 gCalories*

That means guilt-free extra sized food helpings this week until the munchies subside :thumbsup:

* gCalories, or calories burnt as reported by a garmin 705 are not guaranteed to bear any resemblance to conventional calories. May adversely affect weight loss if used as part of a calorie controlled diet.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2010, 04:33:23 pm
That was the best weekend of cycling I've ever had.  The 2004 route is good, but the Scenic is utterly amazing.  I don't think I could ever ride it again though, because it can't ever be as good as this year.



maybe that's 'cause you were on gears,not fixed :demon: ;)

 :o

Chris - tell me it ain't so!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 18 May, 2010, 04:45:06 pm
:o

Chris - tell me it ain't so!  :facepalm:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4614367621_da40a40cde.jpg)

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 18 May, 2010, 05:32:05 pm
you could exclaim"photoshopped" ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2010, 05:34:25 pm
I was there. He had gears. The man has some sense after all.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 18 May, 2010, 05:35:28 pm
All rides should be tried on both gears and fixed.

Good news is that this would mean my next attempt at the Elenith and BCM 600 would be on gears.

Bad news is that this means that the next time I rider the Midlander Super Grimpeur it's got to be on fixed. :-/
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: jogler on 18 May, 2010, 05:35:41 pm
He'll be telling us next that the extra weight added to his finishing time
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 18 May, 2010, 05:39:46 pm
The view of the coast and snowdonia on the run up to Harlech  (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579692886394786)is just about my favourite part of the ride (weather permitting!). The run out to Dolgellau is in the bag and its an easy stretch before climbing into the long cold night.

Following that link....
Riders at Weobley. Rich, ?, and ?.  Rich, LEE and Urban_Biker
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 05:53:09 pm
Riders at Weobley. Rich, ?, and ?.  Rich, LEE and Urban_Biker

Fixed:

Picasa Web Albums - Simon - BCM 2010 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579789600313810)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 18 May, 2010, 06:26:50 pm
Riders at Weobley. Rich, ?, and ?.  Rich, LEE and Urban_Biker

Fixed:

Picasa Web Albums - Simon - BCM 2010 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579789600313810)

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 18 May, 2010, 06:45:22 pm
It's rare that I genuinely LOL, but that did it  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 18 May, 2010, 07:00:53 pm
I like the comment on the ARAF SLOW road marking.  I spent the entire ride thinking "I know, I know". :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: dkahn400 on 18 May, 2010, 08:13:14 pm
All of this talk of folk finishing at 5pm brings tears to my eyes.

Dave Kahn, you are my hero!

Eh? You seem to be confusing me with someone competent. I was probably the last to pack, giving up just after Monmouth. Strangely, lots of people I know well were riding but I never saw them once, not even at the start.

I was at the start nice and early but didn't hurry as I was under the impression there would be a staggered start from 06:00 to 07:00. At 06:00 everyone left so I thought I'd better change into my cycling gear sort out my bag and go. Which I did, leaving at about 06:20. After about an hour I began to catch a rider but our routes diverged when I was still about 20 yards behind him. He must not have been on the scenic.

I passed another rider stopped by the road munching a sandwich, then passed him again 30 minutes later actually riding. How did that happen? Got to the Honey Cafe with a few riders still there. I felt OK and had no worries though I was well down on my schedule and had a leisurely breakfast of beans on toast.

On the second stage I stopped for a wee and was passed by the sandwich eater again. Presently I caught him up and we rode together for a while. Eventually he fell back a little and I began to reel in two more riders ahead. Again we were on different routes and I turned off into the Elan Valley just before catching them.

The Elan Valley was amazing though hard work into a stiff breeze. The dams are incredible feats of engineering. The info control was on top of the 3rd dam. The question was what facilities were available at the end of the reservoir. Naturally there must be some kind of notice on the dam telling one. There isn't. On the other side of the dam there is a notice board. No clues there. Eventually I took a photo of the tower in the middle of the dam and carried on. About 15 minutes wasted altogether.

Eventually I came to the end of the reservoir. There was a picnic table, a "fishing returns" box, and a bus stop. These must be the facilities. I kept going and eventually caught another pair of riders. They were as baffled by the info as I had been. It turns out the tourist information board is the facility. The golden rule is not to waste time at an info. If you can't answer it you're probably not the only one. Forget it and keep going. I know that rule but I always fall for it.

On the way to Tre'r Ddol I suddenly had a bonk attack. I had to let the other 2 riders go and struggled on to a Spar. At this point I was barely able to steer and almost fell trying to get across the road. Some refreshment at the Spar saw me right again and I carried on to the cafe where there were a couple of other back markers.

After Tre'r Ddol the run up to King's was fine. I felt OK but was not going terribly fast. King's to Menai Bridge was a struggle. I saved a couple of quid by being late enough to miss the tolls on the bridges. In fact just before the first bridge I met the toll booth man coming the other away who ginned and said, "Catch you tomorrow."

As it got dark I began to feel distinctly queasy and light headed. Eventually I saw the lights of the fast boys coming the other way. I still had 45km to go to the control and realised with a shock that I was not only 4 hours behind my schedule but 90km behind the lead riders. Then it began to rain.  I got to Menai within the control time and there was one rider still there, fast asleep. I got some food in and decided to lay my head on my arms at the table and snooze for half an hour. But the table was literally pulled out from under me as they wanted to pack it away. OK, I'll just doze in the chair then. But then I was invited to step out into the rain as they wanted to close the hall. Bummer.

Menai Bridge back to King's was a solitary drag. I still felt a little sick and it was still raining. As the sun rose, however, I felt better and got to King's having made a little time back and feeling well again. I'd last been to the Youth Hostel as a 15 year old and had fond memories of it but I'm sad to say it didn't seem that familiar. Wandering around I noticed a room full of bags. There's a bag drop. Bummer! I should have known.

No matter, and no time to sleep. I needed to get to Aberhafesp pronto. I don't remember too much about this leg but I got there OK and had some veggie sausage rolls. There were other back markers there including one who was still asleep as I left. It was about 10 minutes after the closing time for the control when I got there but there was still 140km in which to make up time.

I already knew the answer to the coming info control and for a few minutes I was tempted to take a short route, but that's not the game. So I carried on the official route and actually enjoyed the steep climbs including the long drag up to the info. They did dent the average speed, however, and when I got to Weobley the one-stop shop had closed. I got a substitute control from a pub and carried on. I needed to ride the last stage at 17kph to finish by 22:00 or around 15kph to finish by 23:00 (out of BRM time but still within BR).

At first it went well but gradually a succession of ludicrously steep climbs out of valleys put a serious dent in the average speed. At this point I started to feel sick again, and ran out of water, not having got any at Weobley. On one of the steep climbs I pulled over to let a car pass then had a clipless moment and fell flat in the road after he'd gone past. Eventually the exhilarating descent into Monmouth came. Shattered as I was I still clocked 82.7kph on the descent. I took a more sensible route through the town centre than the route sheet suggested and stopped at a shop to buy some drink. I remember being in the shop and looking round but for some reason I can't explain I walked out again empty handed and carried on riding. I didn't get very far.

The queasies came over me again and I began to see things in the road that weren't there. I also could not ride uphill. At all. There is a long drag out of Monmouth and I was slowly staggering up it pushing the bike and wondering what the mysterious shapes in the road would turn out to be when I got to them, when a car pulled in front of me. I must have looked even worse than I felt as the couple in the car could tell I was in trouble. Very kindly they bundled both me and the bike into the back and drove me to Chepstow while I babbled incoherently at them.

I was the last to arrive at the finish, certainly while it was still manned, where I explained to Mark that I was disqualified having accepted a lift. In spite of my difficulties it is a fantastic ride. Some days you can do it and some days you can't. C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 09:04:56 pm
Wow. Tough ride Dave, well done for hanging on to the bitter end. Not sure you'd have got the BR even if you'd made it out of Monmouth as there's quite a long hill between Tintern and Chepstow.

Didn't you find the 82kph into Monmouth a bit hairy with that appalling road surface?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 18 May, 2010, 09:12:50 pm
How come so many riders seem to have digestive issues on Welsh rides? Is the water really that bad?

Ever since I read a ride report from Malvolio about how he puked his way around the Brevet Cymru one year, I've noticed a definite trend. And didn't a whole load of non-audaxing YACF'ers get gut rot at the very same Youth Hostel?

Sounds to me like Wales is bad for you...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: hellymedic on 18 May, 2010, 09:41:51 pm
I think it's a combination of fatty food and climbing. Though I didn't puke after fish and chips at New Quay, I felt queasy and others did throw up.
Intense exertion on a stomach full of fat is not recommended for the uninitiated.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 18 May, 2010, 09:43:50 pm
I've done loads of rides in Wales; only felt sick a couple of times in a decade.  I know the reason why I was, and it's not diet or geography for me.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: akin on 18 May, 2010, 09:46:41 pm
I like the comment on the ARAF SLOW road marking.  I spent the entire ride thinking "I know, I know". :)


Not just me then....
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2010, 09:59:43 pm
Following that link....
Riders at Weobley. Rich, ?, and ?.  Rich, LEE and Urban_Biker

I (along with many other cyclists) enjoyed a bit of a rest at the Weobley control, one cyclist saw me there and presented me with his brevet card - I pointed him in the direction of the Shop to get a stamp.

I was there a bit nefore Toby's peleton arrived. and whilst I was there, counted about 30 cyclists - about a third of the field.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: dkahn400 on 18 May, 2010, 10:11:36 pm
Wow. Tough ride Dave, well done for hanging on to the bitter end. Not sure you'd have got the BR even if you'd made it out of Monmouth as there's quite a long hill between Tintern and Chepstow.

Didn't you find the 82kph into Monmouth a bit hairy with that appalling road surface?

Was it bad? It seemed OK to me but I think my judgement had gone by then. It certainly wasn't as difficult as a lot of the laney descending on the ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 18 May, 2010, 10:20:37 pm
One of next year's BCMs will have a different name. The 2004 will become the "Classic".

The "2004" tag was only ever meant to be a pre-publishing name, but never got changed.

The "Scenic" will run, and the route will be the same as this year.

And of course, a route to temp those that feel that this year's Scenic cannot be bettered.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 18 May, 2010, 10:20:45 pm
How come so many riders seem to have digestive issues on Welsh rides? Is the water really that bad?

Ever since I read a ride report from Malvolio about how he puked his way around the Brevet Cymru one year, I've noticed a definite trend. And didn't a whole load of non-audaxing YACF'ers get gut rot at the very same Youth Hostel?

Sounds to me like Wales is bad for you...
maybe just the fact that welsh rides are quite popular - i.e. a simple matter of statistics/sample size.
Same as the reason there are more lottery winners in the south of england than the north. There are more people there to start with.

but hellymedic's blaming of fatty food is probably right, I always try to eat little and often and not wait till i'm ravenous but when I got to weobley i was ravenous and stocked up on far too much "claggy" food, and to be honest ate quite a bit of the wrong sort of food - it's put me right off chocolate flapjacks, used to quite like them.  Made me thirsty as well, ran out of water a few miles before tintern and had to stop at a pub.

I also do drink the elan valley river water, I think this probably prevented me getting ill.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 10:24:39 pm
Was it bad? It seemed OK to me but I think my judgement had gone by then. It certainly wasn't as difficult as a lot of the laney descending on the ride.

Quite deeply rutted in places -- bad enough to put me off letting go down it. I've never ridden the Scenic, so I don't know how bad that can get.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 18 May, 2010, 10:24:43 pm


Was it bad? It seemed OK to me but I think my judgement had gone by then. It certainly wasn't as difficult as a lot of the laney descending on the ride.

i didn't think it was that bad (but probably didn't get over 80 on it)
i actually really enjoyed the laney descending, thought it was great. don't think i woudl have enjoyed it (as much) on my old aluminium frame though
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: red marley on 18 May, 2010, 10:33:09 pm
It certainly wasn't as difficult as a lot of the laney descending on the ride.

Steep laney descending (on fixed) is one of my least favourite parts of Audaxing, along with being bitten by dogs. So in an effort to avoid both I tried this diversion (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.284962,-2.843399&spn=0.260428,0.590515&z=11) from Knighton to Weobley. Despite being labelled an A road, the A4110 heading south was a delight (e.g. this sort of road (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.285172,-2.843571&spn=0,0.073814&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.285023,-2.843573&panoid=1KIjcxPy4zG1l_yJ-lcqUQ&cbp=12,158.68,,0,10.23)). The A44/A4112 not so pretty, but still fine for cycling. The whole diversion is almost exactly the same distance as the official route, but easier to navigate and no tricky descents.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 18 May, 2010, 10:34:47 pm
Heh

I just loved those lanes on the way to Weobley.  Horses for wotsits, I suppose.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 11:01:57 pm
Despite being labelled an A road, the A4110 heading south was a delight (e.g. this sort of road (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.285172,-2.843571&spn=0,0.073814&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.285023,-2.843573&panoid=1KIjcxPy4zG1l_yJ-lcqUQ&cbp=12,158.68,,0,10.23)).

I know your example isn't Wales, but I'm still amazed at what passes for an A-road in Wales. The steep little road out of Penrhyndeudraeth (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF8&q=penrhyndeudraeth&fb=1&gl=uk&ei=nQzzS6OJNNC7jAf_0cGGCg&ved=0CBcQpQY&view=map&geocode=FTOlJwMd3fPB_w&split=0&sll=52.922056,-4.093351&sspn=0.047142,0.119357&hq=&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=52.931717,-4.068408&panoid=LbeM9VEsXgc_MPKbApt7wQ&cbp=11,344.95,,0,5.2&ll=52.920288,-4.015846&spn=0.052992,0.439453&z=12), for example, is the A4085.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 11:08:41 pm
While I'm there, didn't this pub (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF8&q=penrhyndeudraeth&fb=1&gl=uk&ei=nQzzS6OJNNC7jAf_0cGGCg&ved=0CBcQpQY&view=map&geocode=FTOlJwMd3fPB_w&split=0&sll=52.922056,-4.093351&sspn=0.047142,0.119357&hq=&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=52.955381,-4.066524&panoid=4Hxv2lI6vk_r07gYczlD6Q&cbp=11,19.71,,0,4.3&ll=52.95538,-4.067034&spn=0.001655,0.013733&z=17) look cosy? On the way out, there were people boozing on the balcony, on the way back they seemed to be enjoying a lock-in (would've been about 00:30).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 18 May, 2010, 11:13:25 pm
Despite being labelled an A road, the A4110 heading south was a delight (e.g. this sort of road (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.285172,-2.843571&spn=0,0.073814&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.285023,-2.843573&panoid=1KIjcxPy4zG1l_yJ-lcqUQ&cbp=12,158.68,,0,10.23)).

I know your example isn't Wales, but I'm still amazed at what passes for an A-road in Wales. The steep little road out of Penrhyndeudraeth (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF8&q=penrhyndeudraeth&fb=1&gl=uk&ei=nQzzS6OJNNC7jAf_0cGGCg&ved=0CBcQpQY&view=map&geocode=FTOlJwMd3fPB_w&split=0&sll=52.922056,-4.093351&sspn=0.047142,0.119357&hq=&hnear=Penrhyndeudraeth,+Gwynedd,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=52.931717,-4.068408&panoid=LbeM9VEsXgc_MPKbApt7wQ&cbp=11,344.95,,0,5.2&ll=52.920288,-4.015846&spn=0.052992,0.439453&z=12), for example, is the A4085.

I suggest that you try the Durness Duress if you want to see what a single track A road with passing places might look like.
Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&ll=58.476712,-4.722576&spn=0,0.031242&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=58.479237,-4.732463&panoid=AFe3gq-0sYTKHennaBQEgA&cbp=12,216.97,,0,7.84)

There's about a hundred miles like that, on a 300k.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 18 May, 2010, 11:27:43 pm
There's about a hundred miles like that, on a 300k.

Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 18 May, 2010, 11:43:32 pm
I rode north to the youth hostel with a very strong rider in a Velocake top, who was also riding fixed.  I've never known a field with so many other fixed riders.

Oh you fixer! Indeed it was amazing to see you doing all the hard stuff with one gear and no freewheel. For instance, John (the Velo Cake guy and owner of the blog with the same name) was strong as ever. Tough, when I talked to him he said that this will be one-off on fixed. Not sure if he meant the BCM in general or only the scenic version... Or the 180k I spent with Deano...

You guys on late 19th century bike technology were really awesome. One day (maybe next year?) I will give it a go, too. Till then I'll nurture my inferiority complex ;).

All sorts of nutters were on this ride.  I even heard about someone riding with a massive dent in their aluminium frame, but that couldn't possibly be true... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 19 May, 2010, 12:01:45 am
Sorry to hear of your probs dkahn.  After Dolg I wondered how you might be fairing.  I was pushing to gain BRM and kept finding those extra Scenic delights slowing me down.  For Garway Hill to avoid the A466 'roller-coaster' I was nicely up having bought 'Red Can' in Weobley and actually enjoyed missing the A466 (my favourite road to hate).  Made Chepstow at dusk, with time to spare, and that despite a 30+min late start.  Glad I left the Trike at home; Herefordshire lanes and Trikes do not mix (discovered in 2006)!

Commiserations.

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 12:02:24 am
As usual, I have a number of garments and other bits and bobs that have been deserted by their owners.

If you've lost anything, please contact me - so owners can be repatriated with their property.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: RichForrest on 19 May, 2010, 12:16:52 am
Riders at Weobley. Rich, ?, and ?.  Rich, LEE and Urban_Biker

Fixed:

Picasa Web Albums - Simon - BCM 2010 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Widerworld/BCM2010#5472579789600313810)

The difference in head-up recumbents and head-down uprights can be seen in the tans on that pic  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 12:17:02 am
Time I got round to writing an RR.  I've got out of the habit lately, but this one deserves it.

I positioned myself near the car park exit well in time this year, as in 2008 I had to sprint past the field to find some fast riders to wheelsuck to Bronllys.  This time I'd start off near the front.  We didn't set off til about 3 minutes past 6 due to the warning about the dangerous dog in that nasty laney bit.  I completely failed to pay attention to the diversion instructions, so I'd be following my gpx and risking a mauling.  Off we went into glorious morning sunshine, and the pace picked up very quickly up to Shirenewton.  I found myself on the inside of my clubmate, Nick Jackson, who revealed he's entered the Mille Cymru - he was doing the Scenic.  He's fast, so I didn't expect to see him again.

Unlike in 2008, I never managed to find a similarly paced group to ride in, so I ended up on my own heading down the other side of the climb, but that was OK because the Abertandem appeared at Usk and I managed to hitch a tow.  We picked up several riders on the way - Adamski, Flatus, jwo and Ian H to name a few.  I found it hard work keeping with the tandem on short climbs because Andy & Jasmine have amazingly good climbing technique and were really attacking the short ups.

We eventually parted company due to them knowing a faster route round Abergavenny - they peeled off from the roundabout onto the bypass, some riders stayed right for the official route; Flatus managed to follow the tandem but Adamski and I sat up for a few seconds after having found ourselves on the bypass and not being sure where we were going.  It was too large a gap to chase down, Adamski knew the way though and we emerged ahead of the group, which caught us up quite soon.  We found Flatus down the road a bit, he having stopped for a comfort break.

Once we left the main road to head over the climb to Bronllys the pace dropped a bit, but it's such an easy climb; we were going up at about 22kph.  The group fragmented a bit during the ascent though, I think Flatus and Adamski went over the top first.  The descent is a hoot, nice sweeping bends and not too steep.  Arriving at Bronllys, there were a few more riders around than 2008 and I think I'd ended up a bit slower - there was a bit of a head wind this year.  I reckoned I'd ridden quite a bit harder than in 2008 (in fact, I set a PB for 20 minute power on the climb to Shirenewton, and a PB for 2h power over the whole section).  Loads of cyclists were eating outside, in the sunshine, and the control was outdoors too.  It was just perfect, and I stopped for about 20 minutes.

For the next bit I yo-yo'd with jwo and the tandem again, initially catching them up then being overtaken.  The traffic was steady but not too busy.  I rode through Builth Wells with jwo, but got ahead at some point.  Riding on I found a group of Vorsprung, Mal Volio, Kcass and another rider I didn't recognise.  I sprinted past, but Vorsprung reeled in my attack, and we rode together for a while until Vorsprung decided to try to break us all on a hill.  The group split up shortly after that and I was just riding with Kcass, who was going well on his first 600.  He noticed my back tyre was a bit soft, so I stopped to check it.  It was - and I suspected it was a valve issue.  I decided to try pumping it up with a CO2 cannister and see if it would hold.  Whilst I was doing this, MV and Vorsprung came past, and I ended up riding on my own except for a short section near Aberystwyth where some riders in a group caught me at the bottom of the descent.

I was definitely down on 2008 now.  This meant even more time lost as there was more of a queue at Tre'r Doll than then.  I also managed as usual to be a bit slow at the control, so jwo got ahead of me again.  I was still ahead of the main bulge though, so it could have been worse.  I caught up with Rich Forrest and jwo on the next climb; this time I hadn't forgotten about the following climb at Cader Idris but I was surprised to find it much easier than expected.  Still, I had taken 9h for 200km vs 8h in 2008, so I was annoyed about that.

At Kings, I discovered I'd run out of cash, so I had to borrow a fiver from MV to pay for my food.  I found a clean base layer, clean shorts and fresh socks in my drop bag, and after a debate with jwo, decided to put on my warmer clothes for the loop up to Menai and back.  I set off about the same time as jwo but stopped just before the toll bridge to put on some suncream and faff about, so he got away again.  I almost came a cropper on video at the top of the climb up to the road as I nearly failed to unclip as I had to stop to not get run over by an ambulance with its woo woos on.  I guess that will go on the outtakes. :)

The view from Harlech over the sea was stunning, as seen in various people's pics.  The wind had also now swung round to the West, so it wasn't as hard as it could have been, and on turning inland it was more like a tail wind.  I was riding this section far better than in 2008, even though I was riding alone, and eventually caught up with jwo again.  In 2008 I was continually pedalling then freewheeling for a few seconds each as my legs were so tired and sore.  This year I was going along briskly and feeling great.  I met a rider on the run to the start of Pen-y-Pass who said I sounded just like Mark Beaumont and he asked where I was from.  That's a bit of a complicated question to answer.

I found Vorsprung at the left turn near the top of Pen-y-Pass.  He was cleaning his sunglasses, and then followed me down the descent, which was fun.  Everything bathed in evening sunshine.  I had clearly made up a lot of time since 200km - I passed the 300km mark only 7 minutes down on 2008, and at Menai Bridge control I was 10 minutes ahead, arriving at 20.20.  Unfortunately I then lost all that time due to having to find a cash point and some other issues which I won't go into.  So it was 9pm when I set off, and as jwo was leaving at the same time we agreed to ride together back to Kings.

In Beddgelert we were chased by a giant chicken.  Unfazed, we pushed on to Penrhyndeudraeth.  We saw one rider going the other way, at about 11pm.  This is where the wheels started to come off for me.  Not at first, but by the time we got to Trawsfynydd I was struggling with the dozies and the bonk.  And my knee was sore.  I had supplies, so had an energy gel and a nutrigrain bar.  This didn't help very much.  I started to get an upset stomach - bowels, to be precise.  Oh, and excess stomach acid too.  We picked up MV briefly on the way up, he having had a doze in a well-appointed bus shelter.  He stopped to put his jacket on when the rain started.

The section seemed to drag on forever, with the rain getting a bit heavier as we went on.  I was getting quite keen to get to the control due to the aforementioned bowel issues.  We picked up a rider at the turn right towards Kings, and by now I was very wobbly and suggested people not ride next to me.  I started to have a sense of humour failure, and by the time the climb up to the YH came, I was almost on zero energy.  I managed the first steep bit, but the second one was too much in my state, and I walked that.  We arrived about 0130 - about the same time as 2008.  We had worried there might not be any beds, but there were still some available, and jwo asked to be woken at 5 and I asked for 6.  I took a losec tablet for the stomach, and ate some food before going to bed.

Having forgotten my earplugs, and sleeping above a really loud snorer, meant I actually got very little sleep.  So when the wake-up call came at 6am I didn't feel at all refreshed.  A small part of me wanted to pack there and then.  My stomach was still a bit dodgy too.  However, a clean pair of shorts, socks, and base layer, some breakfast, and going outside in the cool air and I felt good again.  I didn't set off until 0720, but that was 10 minutes earlier than 2008 and there'd be a tail wind now - so I was happy.  The rain had passed over in the night and the sun was shining again, and I was soon having to remove my jacket and gloves and go back to mitts.  I put my ipod on and got on with it.  The climb to Cross Foxes was much easier this time.  Both a fitter me and the lack of a strong headwind helped.  I was cautious on the descent, because the road was wet.  This also gave me time to admire the stunning views.  I only let it go completely on the final straight part of the descent, so my max speed was only 67.5kph.

In 2008 I went too hard on this bit and killed myself for the rest of the ride, so I took it a bit easier this time, which meant it took me more than 3h to get to Aberhafesp.  I had a chat with a guy on a mountain bike about the ride - after explaining that no I wasn't on the way from Edinburgh to London - and got there about 10.30.  Nuncio, Kcass, Scottlington, the things, miniog, they were all there.  I had to wait a while for food as there was a bit of a queue - so I didn't get away til after 11.  As I was leaving I think Tewdric was arriving, I also saw swarm_catcher (who I'd also seen at Kings in the morning, looking a bit damp).  I thought I'd try to crack on now, so I put the music back on, and quickly passed JS and LWaB, and scottlington and his riding companion, and I caught the things on the big climb after Newtown.  They got me on the descent to Knighton though.  I chased a sheep down the road, and overtook fidgetbuzz as well.  I didn't need a break on the park bench but I stopped on the way out of town for stripping of arm warmers and an energy gel, at which point I got passed by a group with Nuncio, Miniog, Kcass and others.  I didn't catch them before Woebly.

When I got there, there were about 10-15 cyclists picnicing in front of the shop.  jwo was still there, but left quite soon after I arrived.  I tried to be reasonably quick as I knew I was on for a PB time.  So after a ginsters slice and a magnum, and a can of red bull, I was off.  I was looking forwards to the roller coaster bit, despite having hated it in 2008.  I thought I would be much stronger.  So it proved.  However, the last bit from Monmouth takes far longer than you think from the GPS as it's very meandering, and I didn't roll in til 1823 in the end - however, this was still almost 1h30 faster than 2008 and much further up the field, so I think I'll declare myself happy with that. :)

I hung around til after 7, then rode back to the Travelodge with jwo for a visit to Burger King, a bath, and a very well deserved sleep.


All in all, this has to be the best ride I've done.  The weather was perfect apart from a spot of rain.  The heavy rain came and went whilst we were tucked up in bed.  I got another PB (I've done PBs for 300, 400, 600 this season now) and for the first time ever I saw jwo after the first control on a ride.  ::-)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 12:17:43 am
I forgot:

Thanks to Mark and everyone else involved in making this event happen.  Great work.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 19 May, 2010, 12:24:28 am
Heh

I just loved those lanes on the way to Weobley.  Horses for wotsits, I suppose.

We seemed to spend ages on those little lanes - we missed a turning, and landed on an A-road where the sign-post read 2 miles to Weobley, and that seemed so much simpler and more civilised.

I suppose it was the contrast to the simplicity of the Welsh A-Roads.  The Herefordshire maze was a bit much for us to navigate...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 07:03:05 am
We seemed to spend ages on those little lanes - we missed a turning, and landed on an A-road where the sign-post read 2 miles to Weobley, and that seemed so much simpler and more civilised.

I suppose it was the contrast to the simplicity of the Welsh A-Roads.  The Herefordshire maze was a bit much for us to navigate...

The "RIGHT sp Brockaly" signpost was misaligned, probably clouted by a farm vehicle - previous years it was fine.

Another signpost pointing wrongly was the RIGHT in Bampton Bryan signed "Lingen 3 1/2", it was pointing SO.

The signpost just before the A44 near Weobley had been 'semi repaired', there were no directions to the left, but to the right had been reinstated
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MattH on 19 May, 2010, 07:37:45 am
I noticed those. On rides this kind of sign always remind me of old television programmes and films, where people are in a race and the first one past stops and rotates the sign to point the wrong way to throw others off route.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 19 May, 2010, 09:48:59 am
I found a group of Vorsprung, Mal Volio, Kcass and another rider I didn't recognise.  I sprinted past, but Vorsprung reeled in my attack, and we rode together for a while until Vorsprung decided to try to break us all on a hill.

MV said something like "let's make simon do some work" and caught you up.

No hill hammering was intended, as I said at the time I was just riding at a happy pace.  Maybe I should have looked back a bit more.  You can always shout "gap!" y'know. I could hear someone on my wheel but it turned out to just be kcass on his own.

I must say I was amused by your comments during the ride about being an hour up or whatever on last years time.    I don't remember my total time from last year, let alone when I got to the top of Llanberis or any other point!

Did that photo of near the top of Pant-y-Pass come out ok?  I'd like to see that, it was a loverly late afternoon
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 19 May, 2010, 10:21:34 am
We seemed to spend ages on those little lanes - we missed a turning, and landed on an A-road where the sign-post read 2 miles to Weobley, and that seemed so much simpler and more civilised.

I suppose it was the contrast to the simplicity of the Welsh A-Roads.  The Herefordshire maze was a bit much for us to navigate...

The "RIGHT sp Brockaly" signpost was misaligned, probably clouted by a farm vehicle - previous years it was fine.

Another signpost pointing wrongly was the RIGHT in Bampton Bryan signed "Lingen 3 1/2", it was pointing SO.

The signpost just before the A44 near Weobley had been 'semi repaired', there were no directions to the left, but to the right had been reinstated

yep, here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bearwood&sll=53.128504,-0.9031&sspn=1.303569,3.034973&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bearwood,+Leominster,+County+of+Herefordshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.201295,-2.882195&spn=0.03756,0.189686&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.196583,-2.889528&panoid=6AU2HteI4Vc7-GCtcbIVaA&cbp=11,203.53,,0,1.17), that one confused me a bit as well, not sure if that very small black and white house on the right could be used as ref. point? possibly a bit verbose for the route sheet though.

a sign saying brockaly (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bearwood&sll=53.128504,-0.9031&sspn=1.303569,3.034973&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bearwood,+Leominster,+County+of+Herefordshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.196034,-2.889576&spn=0.037564,0.189686&z=13&layer=c&cbll=52.196049,-2.889584&panoid=58Y7ohyy5UCk8irQYX3GRg&cbp=11,239.53,,2,-0.72) does appear to be there but appears to be round the corner, and a bit overgrown/hidden.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 19 May, 2010, 10:40:35 am
It certainly wasn't as difficult as a lot of the laney descending on the ride.

Steep laney descending (on fixed) is one of my least favourite parts of Audaxing, along with being bitten by dogs. So in an effort to avoid both I tried this diversion (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.284962,-2.843399&spn=0.260428,0.590515&z=11) from Knighton to Weobley. Despite being labelled an A road, the A4110 heading south was a delight (e.g. this sort of road (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=A4113&daddr=A4110%2FRoman+Rd+to:A4110+to:Weobley,+Hereford,+United+Kingdom&geocode=FZS9HgMdWlrT_w%3BFdjPHQMdqJzU_w%3BFSSkHAMdnvbU_w%3BFSvnGwMd0xnU_yl1mSf2qTBwSDEKeQ8KiuDc-g&hl=en&mra=ls&via=1,2&dirflg=w&doflg=ptk&sll=52.254435,-2.872915&sspn=0.258927,0.590515&ie=UTF8&ll=52.285172,-2.843571&spn=0,0.073814&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.285023,-2.843573&panoid=1KIjcxPy4zG1l_yJ-lcqUQ&cbp=12,158.68,,0,10.23)). The A44/A4112 not so pretty, but still fine for cycling. The whole diversion is almost exactly the same distance as the official route, but easier to navigate and no tricky descents.

Whereas Flatus and I took a different route again. (http://tinyurl.com/38ku2x9) Being my first BCM I cannot compare this route to any other option. I can say the lanes were in a pretty bad state and there were plenty of short step hills. It was very pretty too.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 19 May, 2010, 10:50:24 am
The grottiest lane is the one between Kinsham to Byton (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Kinsham,+Presteigne&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=17.025991,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Kinsham,+Presteigne,+Powys,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.276744,-2.936268&spn=0,0.038581&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.276864,-2.935961&panoid=wpG6Lm933_OBZB9FzWxrmg&cbp=12,67.19,,0,4.5) about 6 miles before Weobley.

If I do the BCM again I'll actively look to avoid it.

It did serve as a useful focus for frustrations in 2009 though...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 12:08:48 pm
Four and a half minutes of video of riders at Barmouth. You could tell me who they are.

      YouTube
            - BCB 2.avi
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS34oEg27lo)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Phil21 on 19 May, 2010, 12:10:25 pm
This ride looks stunning. Well done to all those who completed, seeing the pics motivates me to get fit enough to do it next year!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 19 May, 2010, 12:21:20 pm
Four and a half minutes of video of riders at Barmouth. You could tell me who they are.

      YouTube
            - BCB 2.avi
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS34oEg27lo)

I'll try.

0:25 Lennie Adams ? Not 100%

0:49 Martin Lucas, and I'm embarrassed that I don't know the name of the chap on fixed he's with

0:58 is James Gumbrell & Adam Young

1:06 Anthony Wheatley & Bruce Taylor

1:13 Jo wood

1:27 Simon Proven

1:52 ** *****

2:05 Paul Whitehead

2:15 Peter Simon

2:20 Phil Chadwick

2:40 Dave Lawrenson

3:00 brainfade.  It'll come to me.

3:16 Jamie Andrews

3:24 Garry King

3:30 Louise Rigby

3:44 is Kcass but I'm not sure I know his full real name :)

3:45 John Morse

3:57 is Julian Weller & Deano (i think)

4:10 don't know

4:20 Mel Kirkland

4:32 Damon Peacock :)

Great video, as ever.


edit: fixed riders.  You seem to have captured most in that clip.  maybe we were all keeping to a similar schedule; perhaps it is about the bike after all :)


Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 May, 2010, 12:25:10 pm
  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 01:17:28 pm
......yep, that one confused me a bit as well, not sure if that very small black and white house on the right could be used as ref. point? possibly a bit verbose for the route sheet though......
Er ....it was on the route sheet  ;) , "that very small black and white house on the right " is actually Dilwyn Dovecot, a grade 2 listed building.

The route sheet read, 534km, RIGHT, $ Brockaly (just after dovecot on R). 2004 route

For those interested. Dovecpte. Dated 1673, with some C20 alterations. Timber-frame with rendered infill on a rubble plinth with a felt roof. Gabled in all four directions. Square plan. Two storeys with small openings in gables. Main entrance in east wall has a shaped doorhead bearing the incised date."1673". The C17 boarded door has decorative strap hinges. The roof is capped by a glover, also gabled on all four sides. The framing is four square panels high with
straight tension braces. The trusses each have two collars with multiple struts and curved V-struts in the apex. The bargeboards are carved and have pendant finials. The projecting wall-plates each have carved brackets.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 19 May, 2010, 01:18:12 pm
Good video.

The guy on fixed at 0.49 is Gary from Bristol, and 3.57 is defo Deano.


 ;)
+1
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 19 May, 2010, 01:26:45 pm
Lordy MV, you came up that slope like a bullet!

Everyone else was winching themselves up with a gurney look on, and you flew up there like it wasn't there.

T'aint natural.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 19 May, 2010, 01:30:19 pm
it was that or fall over  :)

I was tiddling along, enjoying the day, and suddenly remembered that it goes very UP and then kicks up again even harder at the very end.  I wasn't going fast enough to make it so I just sprinted.  I only noticed Damon at the last minute, hence my grin and belated reply to his greeting

Deano had to grab Damon to avoid falling, I think.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 01:35:40 pm
Four and a half minutes of video of riders at Barmouth. You could tell me who they are.

00.25 IS Lennie Adams. Gloucester

00.48 Gary Whiteland. Fixy from Bristol - lone "Hardly Athletic CC" member.

04.10 Bernie Hammond. Cheltenham, although with the North American accent originally from the colonies

That's my 5 second memory retention done for.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: RichForrest on 19 May, 2010, 01:38:07 pm
I came up Pen y pass and saw someone taking pic's there, it was only as I passed I twigged who it was  :-[
Sorry for ignoring you, I felt rough coming up that section and just wanted it to end.

Rich
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 01:57:06 pm
it was that or fall over  :)

I was tiddling along, enjoying the day, and suddenly remembered that it goes very UP and then kicks up again even harder at the very end.  I wasn't going fast enough to make it so I just sprinted.  I only noticed Damon at the last minute, hence my grin and belated reply to his greeting

Deano had to grab Damon to avoid falling, I think.

Deano grabbed the wall to steady himself, the video camera was on a small tripod on the wall and I was stood to one side taking stills. There were a lot of people walking across the viaduct, many of them were visitors from Germany, the Netherlands and Scandinavia, who could scatter in any direction, few riders got a clean run. The main problem is to get sufficient momentum to be able to breast the last bit of the rise and pull out of the cleats to be able to stop in the limited space at the top. If they were out of the saddle and honking I tried to get them smiling for the still, as I think the set expression is more sportive territory. People should look happy on an Audax, especially in North Wales when it's not raining.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 02:17:33 pm
I came up Pen y pass and saw someone taking pic's there, it was only as I passed I twigged who it was  :-[
Sorry for ignoring you, I felt rough coming up that section and just wanted it to end.

Rich

I did get a picture of you, I've just been fiddling with it, it needed sorting as it was a bit dark by then, it's a bit noisy,

Rich Forrest BCM on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4621604502/)
 
the same with this shot.

Riders Pen Y Pass on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4621608730/in/photostream/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: αdαmsκι on 19 May, 2010, 02:29:41 pm
the same with this shot.

Riders Pen Y Pass on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4621608730/in/photostream/)

That be Toby and ChrisN.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 19 May, 2010, 03:06:08 pm
For those interested. Dovecpte. Dated 1673, with some C20 alterations. Timber-frame with rendered infill on a rubble plinth with a felt roof. Gabled in all four directions. Square plan. Two storeys with small openings in gables. Main entrance in east wall has a shaped doorhead bearing the incised date."1673". The C17 boarded door has decorative strap hinges. The roof is capped by a glover, also gabled on all four sides. The framing is four square panels high with
straight tension braces. The trusses each have two collars with multiple struts and curved V-struts in the apex. The bargeboards are carved and have pendant finials. The projecting wall-plates each have carved brackets.

Wot? No doves?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2010, 03:45:27 pm
If they were out of the saddle and honking I tried to get them smiling for the still, as I think the set expression is more sportive territory. People should look happy on an Audax, especially in North Wales when it's not raining.
Quite right too!

Funnily enough I thought of sportive riders when I read this:
 I tried to be reasonably quick as I knew I was on for a PB time.  So after a ginsters slice and a magnum, and a can of red bull, I was off.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 May, 2010, 04:08:30 pm
I positioned myself near the car park exit well in time this year,

 This time I'd start off near the front.

It was too large a gap to chase down,

The group fragmented a bit during the

(in fact, I set a PB for 20 minute power on the climb to Shirenewton, and a PB for 2h power over the whole section)

 I sprinted past, but Vorsprung reeled in my attack, and we rode together for a while until Vorsprung decided to try to break us all on a hill.

I was definitely down on 2008 now.  

so jwo got ahead of me again

I passed the 300km mark only 7 minutes down on 2008, and at Menai Bridge control I was 10 minutes ahead, arriving at 20.20.

Blimey!

I was just out on a nice ride with Adam. I had absolutely no idea any of this was going on behind me   ;D

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 19 May, 2010, 04:53:08 pm
Yes, there is no real difference between Audax and Sportif, in that you pedal the distance with an attitude of mind.  Where I find Audax different/better (?) is having raced, TT’d and followed wheels for (what appears to be) a lifetime, I do not mind being dropped and stopping to take a picky of some dramatic scenery.  I shall have a couple ‘Timed Attitude rides’ in the Summer on my CF framed speedy in the Alps.  I wish you guys would stop the time-bragging; it really is not ‘the spirit of Audax’, though is it non-politic to report I did a 28hr 600 before my hair turned grey, so no chance of a new PB now, just beat the Broom Wagon?

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 04:56:59 pm
Another 2 minutes of unseen video.

      YouTube
            - BCB3.avi
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZAE1N3BmaA)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 19 May, 2010, 05:00:24 pm
Great stuff Damon :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Salvatore on 19 May, 2010, 05:23:32 pm
urban_biker, LEE and chillmoister modelling their YACF jerseys as they home in on Chepstow.

urban_biker has his set to Stealth Mode

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/4621451900_d8f7e82fbf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/4621451900/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 05:50:51 pm
Looking at the video, while editing, I wondered why miles are sometimes Milltir on signs and sometimes Filltir, apparently the word mutates to Filltir when the mileage is  1 or 2, for a distance of 3 miles or above or below 1 it is Milltir. Funny language Welsh.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 05:53:51 pm
I positioned myself near the car park exit well in time this year,

 This time I'd start off near the front.

It was too large a gap to chase down,

The group fragmented a bit during the

(in fact, I set a PB for 20 minute power on the climb to Shirenewton, and a PB for 2h power over the whole section)

 I sprinted past, but Vorsprung reeled in my attack, and we rode together for a while until Vorsprung decided to try to break us all on a hill.

I was definitely down on 2008 now.  

so jwo got ahead of me again

I passed the 300km mark only 7 minutes down on 2008, and at Menai Bridge control I was 10 minutes ahead, arriving at 20.20.

Blimey!

I was just out on a nice ride with Adam. I had absolutely no idea any of this was going on behind me   ;D



Just a minor edit. ;)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 19 May, 2010, 06:23:28 pm
Thanks for the reminder of Snowdonia in day and sun light.

Dark descended on me by the Ffestiniog Railway and lifted as I left Beddgelert.  As a mountaineer, I know what to expect hereabouts, first visiting the Gwynant Valley in 1962 (yes 1962) but that road is bl***y lonely and miserable in the dark and rain.

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 19 May, 2010, 06:30:06 pm
Looking at the video, while editing, I wondered why miles are sometimes Milltir on signs and sometimes Filltir, apparently the word mutates to Filltir when the mileage is  1 or 2, for a distance of 3 miles or above or below 1 it is Milltir. Funny language Welsh.

It's to do with the gender of the word before it.  M to F is an example of the soft mutation.  You'll also see Mawr/Fawr (big)  and Cymru/Gymru etc

There are several other mutations too.  They're one of the trickiest aspects of the language.  One million and one billion are tricky; million goes to fillion and billion goes to...fillion. 

There's also two counting systems: a modern one and an older and rather difficult one used for time, age and money.

I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 19 May, 2010, 06:51:40 pm

There's also two counting systems: a modern one and an older and rather difficult one used for time, age and money.

I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)


Much like the counting system for sheep used in Northern England.
Yan Tan Tethera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Tan_Tethera)
That tends to be used by those of Norse descent, to some extent the Norse filled the niche that Welsh speakers filled, upland farming and associated mining and quarrying activities. I meet quite a few Welsh and Cumbrian speakers, as we do hedging competitions in both areas. After 20 years or so they lose their suspicion of RP speakers like me, although they sometimes take the mickey out of some of the more ornate phrases.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 07:02:42 pm
I found a group of Vorsprung, Mal Volio, Kcass and another rider I didn't recognise.  I sprinted past, but Vorsprung reeled in my attack, and we rode together for a while until Vorsprung decided to try to break us all on a hill.

MV said something like "let's make simon do some work" and caught you up.

Catching me up was fine.  I was happy with being on the front.  However, when you nearly took my front wheel out when you decided to come to the front, that wasn't so nice.

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No hill hammering was intended, as I said at the time I was just riding at a happy pace.  Maybe I should have looked back a bit more.  You can always shout "gap!" y'know. I could hear someone on my wheel but it turned out to just be kcass on his own.


Well, I'd been riding on my own so I was happy doing that.  When I had to go above 350W to stay on your wheel, I eased off.  That's a silly level of effort (I can maintain it for a minute or two at best) and not a game I was interested in.

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I must say I was amused by your comments during the ride about being an hour up or whatever on last years time.    I don't remember my total time from last year, let alone when I got to the top of Llanberis or any other point!

Did that photo of near the top of Pant-y-Pass come out ok?  I'd like to see that, it was a loverly late afternoon

I was actually an hour down on 2008 by 200km, but by the time I caught you up and got to Llanberis I had made all of that time up.  In 2008 I was basically shot by 250km, but despite doing a lot more work on my own this time, and riding considerably harder I had plenty in the tank.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2010, 07:15:50 pm
I wish you guys would stop the time-bragging; it really is not ‘the spirit of Audax’, though is it non-politic to report I did a 28hr 600 before my hair turned grey,
Did you start 20mins late that time? ;)

But seriously, it is good to occasionally remind folks that time-bragging isn't really in the spirit.

However, in Simon's case it's pretty clear he knows he wasn't fastest, and there's no harm in seeking to improve ONE'S OWN performance, so you can hardly call him competitive. (It's also the case that many of us are concerned about beating the broom wagon on tougher rides to come, so "doing a good time" on the "warm-ups" is a morale boost on that road.)


Just IMHO ... :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 May, 2010, 07:21:14 pm
People can say what they want regardless of what any self-appointed guardian of the spirit of audax thinks.

If Simon is chuffed with setting personal bests, then great
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 19 May, 2010, 07:24:59 pm
People can say what they want regardless of what any self-appointed guardian of the spirit of audax thinks.

If Simon is chuffed with setting personal bests, then great

Hear hear! What's all this 'spirit of Audax' nonsense? It's a bike ride, which can be many things.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 19 May, 2010, 07:35:53 pm

I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)


How did your linguistic challenge at Tre'Ddol go?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 19 May, 2010, 07:38:02 pm
People can say what they want regardless of what any self-appointed guardian of the spirit of audax thinks.

If Simon is chuffed with setting personal bests, then great

I refer you all to the old adage:  A Sportive is a long ride on which participants pretend that they are racing.  An Audax is a long ride on which participants pretend that they are not.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2010, 07:52:51 pm
People can say what they want regardless of what any self-appointed guardian of the spirit of audax thinks.

If Simon is chuffed with setting personal bests, then great
Self-appointed guardian? Well I didn't create the spirit of audax, but I'm happy to stand up for it. It's pretty bloody obvious that non-competitiveness is a cornerstone.

Your 2nd statement is redundant - I made it pretty clear that I approve of Simon racing himself.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 19 May, 2010, 07:55:37 pm
It's pretty bloody obvious that non-competitiveness is a cornerstone.

People say this; but how do you explain the various points competitions?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 19 May, 2010, 08:01:02 pm
Good point, can of worms, very OT, too little time here ...

But I will say one thing - it's important that individual events don't become a race. At least not overtly. The reasons why have been discussed before at length.

Having competitions about how many rides you've done doesn't have the same downsides. (I'm not saying I support the idea, but it's a whole other issue ... )
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 May, 2010, 08:04:39 pm
It can never be a race because there is a relatively low maximum average speed.  

Anyway, changing the subject, why are you repeatedly posting on a thread about an event that you didn't even ride, mattc?  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 19 May, 2010, 08:05:57 pm

I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)


How did your linguistic challenge at Tre'Ddol go?

I passed on it - bounced the control I'm afraid

I tried at the Cei Newydd control on the Brevet Cymru, but the conversation rapidly span out of my understanding :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 08:08:28 pm
I wish you guys would stop the time-bragging; it really is not ‘the spirit of Audax’, though is it non-politic to report I did a 28hr 600 before my hair turned grey,
Did you start 20mins late that time? ;)

But seriously, it is good to occasionally remind folks that time-bragging isn't really in the spirit.

However, in Simon's case it's pretty clear he knows he wasn't fastest, and there's no harm in seeking to improve ONE'S OWN performance, so you can hardly call him competitive. (It's also the case that many of us are concerned about beating the broom wagon on tougher rides to come, so "doing a good time" on the "warm-ups" is a morale boost on that road.)


Just IMHO ... :)

Indeed - and I am well aware that a 36h+ time is miles from the best.  Matt is spot on - I'm trying to improve the point where the Mille Cymru won't be a sufferfest, and I make no apologies for measuring that improvement.

And I've been beaten on a 600 (first one I ever completed) by an 82yo.  So I know my place. ;)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 08:17:33 pm
I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)

Bydew 'n ddigon , a hawddamor.

I think  ???         as Eric Morcombe would argue, The letters are correct, but not in the right order.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 08:19:11 pm
Funnily enough I thought of sportive riders when I read this:
 I tried to be reasonably quick as I knew I was on for a PB time.  So after a ginsters slice and a magnum, and a can of red bull, I was off.

It was still a 20 minute stop - I don't manage to do less than that on Audax rides generally.  I was moving for about 26h10 and stopped for 10h10 or so.  That's something I could do with improving on the Mille Cymru, though on the BCM there is no rush. :)

By comparison, both stops on the Fred Whitton were about 8-9 minutes last year.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 19 May, 2010, 08:21:49 pm
it was that or fall over  :)

I was tiddling along, enjoying the day, and suddenly remembered that it goes very UP and then kicks up again even harder at the very end.  I wasn't going fast enough to make it so I just sprinted.  I only noticed Damon at the last minute, hence my grin and belated reply to his greeting

Deano had to grab Damon to avoid falling, I think.

Nearly!

As Damon says, he was taking still photos when I rode past: I suddenly saw the path rear up, realised I wasn't getting up it at that speed, so I tried to unclip and reached for the wall to catch myself.  I noticed in time that I was going to crush an expensive-looking camera, and grabbed a different bit of wall.

On a related topic, I did have a clipless moment leaving the hostel going north.  Thankfully there weren't many others around to see, and no-one to film it...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 19 May, 2010, 08:24:57 pm
I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)

Bydew 'n ddigon , a hawddamor.

I think  ???

I didn't realise you spoke Cornish Mark!  :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: dkahn400 on 19 May, 2010, 08:31:30 pm
Looking at the video, while editing, I wondered why miles are sometimes Milltir on signs and sometimes Filltir, apparently the word mutates to Filltir when the mileage is  1 or 2, for a distance of 3 miles or above or below 1 it is Milltir. Funny language Welsh.

It's to do with the gender of the word before it.  M to F is an example of the soft mutation.  You'll also see Mawr/Fawr (big)  and Cymru/Gymru etc


Until your explanation I thought it might be a similar thing to Russian where the cardinal number one governs the nominative singular, two to four the genitive singular, and other numbers the genitive plural. Ludicrously complex language.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 19 May, 2010, 08:32:10 pm
Did that photo of near the top of Pant-y-Pass come out ok?  I'd like to see that, it was a loverly late afternoon

Not very: http://tweetphoto.com/23089248

The problem was it was inside its waterproof case, and I think it was a bit salt-stained.

Will have to remember to take the phone out (or buy a waterproof camera).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 19 May, 2010, 09:00:29 pm
Until your explanation I thought it might be a similar thing to Russian where the cardinal number one governs the nominative singular, two to four the genitive singular, and other numbers the genitive plural. Ludicrously complex language.

But not as ludicrous as Estonian where nouns and adjectives decline in fourteen cases.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jaded on 19 May, 2010, 09:11:49 pm
Looking at the video, while editing, I wondered why miles are sometimes Milltir on signs and sometimes Filltir, apparently the word mutates to Filltir when the mileage is  1 or 2, for a distance of 3 miles or above or below 1 it is Milltir. Funny language Welsh.

It's to do with the gender of the word before it.  M to F is an example of the soft mutation. 

So, Flatus miles would be Milltir and simonp miles Filltir  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: dkahn400 on 19 May, 2010, 09:13:26 pm

But not as ludicrous as Estonian where nouns and adjectives decline in fourteen cases.


There should be a law.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Redlight on 19 May, 2010, 10:14:05 pm

But not as ludicrous as Estonian where nouns and adjectives decline in fourteen cases.


There should be a law.

Or a lore
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 19 May, 2010, 10:19:21 pm
Or a llw
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Von Broad on 19 May, 2010, 10:53:02 pm
I was the last to arrive at the finish, certainly while it was still manned, where I explained to Mark that I was disqualified having accepted a lift. In spite of my difficulties it is a fantastic ride. Some days you can do it and some days you can't. C'est la vie.

Sorry you had a bad day Dave, but I must admit I did enjoy reading your report. I was with you every word of the way. Wonder why? Something to do with mirroring experience or the like  :)

I did get a picture of you, I've just been fiddling with it, it needed sorting as it was a bit dark by then, it's a bit noisy,
Rich Forrest BCM on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/4621604502/)

On the new frame by the looks of it.  :thumbsup:
Working out ok Rich?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 19 May, 2010, 11:03:21 pm
I didn't realise you spoke Cornish Mark!  :P

Well I've been told that the two languages are very close, by virtue of the fact that years ago some Welsh folk Swam south thinking they'd got to France  ;D, instead they landed just west of Bude. :o
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 19 May, 2010, 11:56:20 pm
People can say what they want regardless of what any self-appointed guardian of the spirit of audax thinks.

If Simon is chuffed with setting personal bests, then great
Self-appointed guardian? Well I didn't create the spirit of audax, but I'm happy to stand up for it. It's pretty bloody obvious that non-competitiveness is a cornerstone.

Your 2nd statement is redundant - I made it pretty clear that I approve of Simon racing himself.

It's pretty obvious to me that people DO ride audaxes competitively, otherwise why were the other people that were getting to dolgellau at the same time as me (1:30am-2am) asking to be woke up at 4/5am. Even if you set off well after 7am (as I did) and are a LOT slower than you were on the first day ( as I was) then you're still going to finish not only on time, but in daylight. There's no harm in that, imho, though.

Serious question, and possible a question for its own thread, but: If audax isn't competitive, then why bother with validation at all?
If there were no validation, and either the money saved went toward slightly more subsidised food, or it were cheaper, or even more in the pocket of the organiser for his efforts, then how many would still ride audaxes?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 20 May, 2010, 12:14:53 am
Well, the quicker you finish, the quicker you can get home!  It wasn't an issue for me on the BCM, but this weekend I'll be aiming to hammer around a 400 and have an early night.

Also, if you're quick enough to ride the first 400 of the BCM in sub-20 hours, it gets you a good few hours' kip at the youth hostel.  Riding a bit quicker and being aware of your times isn't just about one-upmanship or PBs - it can be the difference between a comfy ride where you spend most of the hours of darkness asleep, and a less pleasant ride where you grab a few minutes' kip at handy bus shelters.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2010, 12:15:59 am
I tried to ask to be woken at 7 but this was refused and I had to go for 6. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Deano on 20 May, 2010, 12:18:53 am
I did hear about a couple of people, in a dormitory where everyone else was being woken at 5.00, asking for a 4.45 wake-up call ::-)

I went with 5.00 cos that's what everyone else wanted.  Suited me fine.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: RichForrest on 20 May, 2010, 01:15:47 am

On the new frame by the looks of it.  :thumbsup:
Working out ok Rich?


Yes doing ok with it,  done over 2500km on it since the 1st April.
It's better than the other one due to being a couple of inches longer and the bigger wheels help the rolling speed  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2010, 08:13:57 am
I did hear about a couple of people, in a dormitory where everyone else was being woken at 5.00, asking for a 4.45 wake-up call ::-)
I went with 5.00 cos that's what everyone else wanted.  Suited me fine.
Sleeping will always be a problem at Kings YHA, there are effectively only 36 beds. but this in itself is only part of the problem.
Sleep and the lack of it, does funny things to people.

I remember in PBP 2003 a rider asking to be woken in an hour, they were - then promptly went back to sleep. This always happens on every event.

Some poor sod get taken to a bed where the occupant has agreed a wake time, but has gone back to sleep. result two unhappy bunnies. One has missed their planned departure (and possibly riding partners), the other their slumber.

I think the 4:45 may have been a red herring, the one area I stressed o sleep controllers, was to be accurate on custommer requirements - it can have a huge bearing on th esecond day. And all bookings were made with the cyclists stood in front of them.
We had a couple of 4:30s, and I got them myslf, walking in the rain to get them - what a joy.

Next year I hope to have an extra 20 or so beds, so the problem will not exist.  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: kcass on 20 May, 2010, 08:18:17 am

If audax isn't competitive, then why bother with validation at all?


There's PBP qualification for a start - that's what AUK was originally invented for.



Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2010, 08:38:08 am
Whilst on the subject. we found out at about 5:00 that we had an unused bunk in dorm 5 and another in dorm 3 they had been allocated but the cyclists did their own thing  ::-). Guilty paries will be saved being named

And we had cyclists waiting until 4:00 for a bed  :o.

OK only an hour you may think - not so, they could have ben waiting since 2:00.

I was asked at the end of the event, "Why was sleep rationed so much"?

It's a case of woking backwards (don't go there Hummers ;) ). The late arrivals will be getting to Kings YH any time from 5:00 onwards. The earlier riders from about 22:00 (the earliest left before this time - but cycled through). main field starts to arrive from midnight, so that allows circa 6 hours (of two lots of 3 hours) for the main part of the field. Every one can then get about the same ammount of rest.
If you're feeling that good, there's always the next control 60 clics down the road. Get there at about 4, you could sleep until midday  ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jasmine on 20 May, 2010, 09:07:16 am

I'm in the second year of trying to learn it :)


How did your linguistic challenge at Tre'Ddol go?

I passed on it - bounced the control I'm afraid

I tried at the Cei Newydd control on the Brevet Cymru, but the conversation rapidly span out of my understanding :)

The best place to try on this ride would have been the Menai Bridge control.  If you had lost the conversation you could have just pretended it was because you were tired from the ride.  Of course, if you are learning in South Wales, you might become unstuck quite quickly talking to Gogs. 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 20 May, 2010, 09:08:06 am

If audax isn't competitive, then why bother with validation at all?


There's PBP qualification for a start - that's what AUK was originally invented for.





ok, granted. But:
* PBP is in itself just another audax
* lots of people ride audaxes in britain that either have already done pbp (and thus presumably qualify for it again), or else have no intention of riding it.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 20 May, 2010, 09:14:26 am

It's pretty obvious to me that people DO ride audaxes competitively, otherwise why were the other people that were getting to dolgellau at the same time as me (1:30am-2am) asking to be woke up at 4/5am. Even if you set off well after 7am (as I did) and are a LOT slower than you were on the first day ( as I was) then you're still going to finish not only on time, but in daylight. There's no harm in that, imho, though.

ok I got to Dolgellau for a kip at 1:30am.  Arriving at this time was planned because I usually find it difficult to stay with it after 2am.  Leaving at 6am ( and so waking at 5am ) was also planned.  Three hours sleep is plenty for me and waking up at 5am isn't difficult.  I needed to finish at 7-ish as I was going to work the next day and I wanted to drive back to Devon and get a good nights sleep.  As it happened I went quite well on day two.  There were some good bits with tailwinds and no bad patches.

Competitiveness had nothing to do with it, just practicalities.  I'm more surprised that my plan actually worked out!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2010, 09:17:21 am
ok, granted. But:
* PBP is in itself just another audax
.............................


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Try telling the ACP that. The bicylcle was invented for PBP  ;)
Folk were just messing about on things like Giro D'Italia and suchlike  before this.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: urban_biker on 20 May, 2010, 09:27:47 am
*comments moved to "why bother with validation thread"
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 20 May, 2010, 09:37:49 am
...

To save someone else pointing it out ... one has to qualify for every PBP separately. Hence AUK has some purpose in validating rides for a while to come, at least 1 year in 4.

***WOAH***
A nice man has rather sensibly started a new thread about all this:
If audax isn't competitive, then why bother with validation at all? (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33415.0)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: arabella on 20 May, 2010, 09:53:21 am
It's pretty obvious to me that people DO ride audaxes competitively, otherwise why were the other people that were getting to dolgellau at the same time as me (1:30am-2am) asking to be woke up at 4/5am. Even if you set off well after 7am (as I did) and are a LOT slower than you were on the first day ( as I was) then you're still going to finish not only on time, but in daylight. There's no harm in that, imho, though.
Personally I like to think that these folk who get up at 5:00 am are being considerate and leaving some empty beds for those of us that won't arrive until 5:00 am (when I did BCM 2 years ago)  I'd get very whiny if I thought _fast_persons_ were hogging a bed for a full night's sleep and I had to slum it on the floor for my meagre 2 hours.
I set off well after 7:00 am and DIDN'T finish in daylight (fvm).
You obviously have no idea what it is like at the slow end of the field etc.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 20 May, 2010, 10:07:53 am
ok, granted. But:
* PBP is in itself just another audax
.............................


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Try telling the ACP that. The bicylcle was invented for PBP  ;)
Folk were just messing about on things like Giro D'Italia and suchlike  before this.

furthermore PBP at least used to be a race. (according to a cycling video i watched in france).
Ok, tell me: does PBP itself have validation?

*comments moved to "why bother with validation thread"
A nice man has rather sensibly started a new thread about all this:
If audax isn't competitive, then why bother with validation at all? (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33415.0)
Thank you
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 20 May, 2010, 10:12:29 am
It’s humbling to read some of these accounts of epic speed and fitness, with riders setting new PB times and getting back to Dolgellau before I'd even arrived at Menai Bridge. So in the interests of ‘fair and balanced reporting’, I’m delighted to announce a new PW time, rolling in to the finish at 9:45.
Enjoyed the ride – mostly. Struggled through the overnight rain, up the endless hills, and tried in vain to keep up with various passing groups.
Took full advantage of the slow rider benefits – pre-warmed bed, maximum value for money (hr/£), and no guilt about hoovering up food at controls - no need to save any if there’s not many behind.
+1 to all the praise for the organiser / helpers – don’t think I'd attempt a ride like this without knowing that there was guaranteed tlc every few hours.
NB – did anyone else notice the irony that the only wind turbine not busily spinning around was the one on the hill above the Centre for Alternative Technology at Machynlleth?!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 20 May, 2010, 10:24:13 am
Arabella:
You obviously have no idea what it is like at the slow end of the field etc.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I approached Dolg YH around 7.30am with all these bright eyed bikies/trikie coming the other way.  Thought I was catching up but then realised they had had several hrs of luxury to explain their mood.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some of us did not even make it in for a bed having to 'slum/cat nap' it in on tables (taken away), bus shelters, grass verges to avoid falling asleep on the wheel (done that (Trike-PBP95) - ouch); so a bed or a dry warm floor (LEL09 but not a Control) is a real bonus.  In the rain the hardest part is to make it to a dry spot/bench etc.

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 20 May, 2010, 10:32:18 am
Personally I like to think that these folk who get up at 5:00 am are being considerate and leaving some empty beds for those of us that won't arrive until 5:00 am
I would have been quite happy to have been woken up at 5am if someone else had arrived that wanted the bed. But I wasn't.


(when I did BCM 2 years ago)  I'd get very whiny if I thought _fast_persons_ were hogging a bed for a full night's sleep and I had to slum it on the floor for my meagre 2 hours.
I set off well after 7:00 am and DIDN'T finish in daylight (fvm).
You obviously have no idea what it is like at the slow end of the field etc.

What I read of the event before doing it was that there would be multiple sofas etc in the YH for those that didn't get a bed, and there were.
As I saw it, the bed was a luxury that *might* have been available if one were lucky, not a given that you could bank on. And I was quite happy to undertake BCM with this in mind.
I think you'll find that at > 36 hrs I *am* at the "slow end of the field".
I hope you have a good ride & sleep if and when you choose to do it again, and I think it's nice of Mark to seek to arrange extra beds. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 20 May, 2010, 10:43:15 am
You obviously have no idea what it is like at the slow end of the field etc.

*checks tracklog from 2009*

Indeed.

In 2009 I arrived at Kings at 7:15am and left at 8:30am. I didn't even bother even thinking about a bed, I'd had a 15 minute nap at Menai and another 15 minute nap on a bench just before Penrhyndeudraeth which saw me through the rest of the day. At Kings I just had some food and a chat with the people there (who correctly convinced me that it was easier to cycle back to Chepstow than bother packing) and tipped half a bidon of cold water down my front (failing to put the top back on properly).

I finished at 10:48pm (BR timings in 2009 not the hard 10pm deadline of BRM).
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2010, 10:43:35 am
As far as I'm concerned, getting in early enough to get a clean bed in an empty dormitory is just another facet of natural selection....

 
 :)






Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 20 May, 2010, 10:45:19 am
As far as I'm concerned, getting in early enough to get a clean bed in an empty dormitory is just another facet of natural selection....

I use your sock whilst you sleep.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2010, 10:47:10 am
I'd already left before you'd arrived  :D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Greenbank on 20 May, 2010, 10:48:00 am
I'd already left before you'd arrived  :D

I'm still on my way to Menai...
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 20 May, 2010, 10:51:27 am
I think there are 2 different issues here:

- the organisers doing their best to provide some beds for all. They're volunteers on a tiny budget, so we're all grateful for whatever they manage to conjure up.

- faster riders gobbling up resources before 'later' arriving riders. Every now and then this occurs with food, but far more often with beds (i'm talking about across all rides I know about, not on the BCM). I feel the quicker lads and lasses should at the very least co-operate willingly with any rationing system. It's obviously very difficult for early arrivals to police themselves, cos even a quick rider can be tired and groggy after 400k!

I want to emphasise that this isn't just about petty feelings of entitlement; sleep dep is a real safety issue. The slowest riders are often the most tired, they shouldn't be made to finish long events on less sleep than necessary. Of course we're all supposed to be self-sufficient yada yada.... but let's try to look after each other too.

[looking back I don't think I've ever gone without a bed in this scenario, but I have been on rides where it has happened. PBP07 would have been tricky, but I cunningly got well behind the bulge to avoid major queuing. And I've suffered from noisy riders not respecting those still trying to get to sleep ... ]


Yours, self-appointed Guardian of Sleeping Riders, etc ...

p.s. if you're ever worried about oversleeping:

I tried to wake you up but settled on stroking your hair and tucking you in.

H
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris N on 20 May, 2010, 11:20:36 am
p.s. if you're ever worried about oversleeping:

I tried to wake you up but settled on stroking your hair and tucking you in.

H

Oh, thanks Matt.  I'd almost forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 20 May, 2010, 11:44:25 am
I want to emphasise that this isn't just about petty feelings of entitlement; sleep dep is a real safety issue. The slowest riders are often the most tired, they shouldn't be made to finish long events on less sleep than necessary. Of course we're all supposed to be self-sufficient yada yada.... but let's try to look after each other too.

If you enter the BCM that's how it works.  If you can get to the YHA before 2am there a good chance for a bed

If you did the "Bridge Too Far" 600 a couple of years ago then like me and Dai Harris you could have been sleeping on a garage forecourt.  We were expecting to do this sort of thing when we entered the event

If you ride the BCM and arrive at the worst time, say 4am a lot of the fast people are in bed and some of the slow people have started arriving.  You don't get a bunk but there are lots of dry nooks and crannies to use.  It's much better than a bus shelter

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 20 May, 2010, 12:09:10 pm
<vorsprung's Audax blog link>

The blog link in your sig is borked.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: vorsprung on 20 May, 2010, 12:12:00 pm
<vorsprung's Audax blog link>

The blog link in your sig is borked.

So it is...is that any better?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Simonb on 20 May, 2010, 01:42:14 pm
<vorsprung's Audax blog link>

The blog link in your sig is borked.

So it is...is that any better?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: 3peaker on 20 May, 2010, 04:43:32 pm
Some could argue that the BCM is a ‘soft touch’ as 600’s go, now with bag drop and luxury o/n accom; even a sleep control for the faster lads 60km later.

Compare that with the Cambrian (done) where 24hr garages are your hard floor. Some events use a 400 loop followed by a 200 day ride (Denmead - done) but you still need to make the 400 for your bed.  The Bridge too Far a couple years ago had a dream of a sleepover, as heavy rain hit the event overnight.  Good thinking by Dave Lewis. 

I think the BCM stands out with its heavy altitude toll.  But all events are what the Organiser can make of them and is willing to invest in with his/her time. The Cambrian is so much a ‘Shoestring’ ride.  I fully valued Mark’s efforts; I know he did not start the event but we riders are extremely grateful for his efforts to re-invent it and add ‘spice’ and ‘challenge’ with the Scenic variation.  Some reckon this is THE Classic 600 and deserves AUK Central protection if it falls on stony (aka LEL09?) ground.  Let’s hope it does not come to that; if this year’s numbers are anything to go by it will be even bigger for PBP next year (though I know many, me included, Scenic and all, were pushing for the BRM credit).

SteveP
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: arabella on 20 May, 2010, 04:59:08 pm
Oh dear,  it obviously came out rather whiny.  I do of course appreciate that a bunk is being laid on at all.
+1 to what Matt (guardian of sleep on audaxes) said.
I think you'll find that at > 36 hrs I *am* at the "slow end of the field".
But doesn't that >36 hours include a sleep from 2:00 am to 7:00 am? Even if not, >36 hours is faster by 3.5 hours than I am on about 2 hours sleep etc.

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Tewdric on 20 May, 2010, 05:01:14 pm
As far as I'm concerned, getting in early enough to get a clean bed in an empty dormitory is just another facet of natural selection....
 
 :)


Whereas arriving later and sleeping in your recently vacated bunk could be a form of unnatural insemination..  :P
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2010, 05:05:30 pm
It's a f'kin tightrope, Tewdric... how do you know you didn't end up in a bunk vacated by Cap'n Nosehair? 
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Euan Uzami on 20 May, 2010, 05:23:48 pm
I think you'll find that at > 36 hrs I *am* at the "slow end of the field".
But doesn't that >36 hours include a sleep from 2:00 am to 7:00 am? Even if not, >36 hours is faster by 3.5 hours than I am on about 2 hours sleep etc.
yes, but even so it's still the slow end of the field. Not the slowest, but still probably in the slow half.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2010, 05:26:58 pm
So am I, I finished at 5.30pm, so 35.5 hours.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: arabella on 20 May, 2010, 05:27:46 pm
This is turning into an 'I'm slower than you competition'.   ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: MSeries on 20 May, 2010, 05:33:39 pm
I think you'll find that at > 36 hrs I *am* at the "slow end of the field".
But doesn't that >36 hours include a sleep from 2:00 am to 7:00 am? Even if not, >36 hours is faster by 3.5 hours than I am on about 2 hours sleep etc.
yes, but even so it's still the slow end of the field. Not the slowest, but still probably in the slow half.

I think 35-36 hours is about midde in terms of number of riders back, that is, roughly the same amount will be back after than time as those still not back. So you could say it's the slow end of the fast half or the fast end of the slow half of the field. Who cares anyway Ben, it's not a race.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 20 May, 2010, 06:15:23 pm
...it's not a race.

I'm positive there was a trophy sitting on a controller's table.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2010, 06:26:23 pm
In 2008, I finished in 37h45 and at Woebly I was told there were 45 riders (half the field) behind.

This year I finished in 36h20, and at the finish I heard Mark say about 30 riders (of 92 finishers) were back.

Of course these numbers may have been inaccurate.

I had harboured thoughts of riding into the night from Kings, if the rain was going to be later.  However, a combination of the bonk, dozies, a sore knee, bubbling guts, a sore back, excess stomach acid and a bleeding arse, combined with the rain, was enough to make me stop for sleep.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 20 May, 2010, 06:41:27 pm
Really can't see the point of riding through the night.  I'm never going to break any records so why bother? As it was Adam and I had 5 hours of bunk time and a very leisurely breakfast waiting for the rain to stop. I can see a point of hooning up to Menai and back to get a clean empty dorm before all the zombies turn up later in the night.  If I ride next year and I am in any sort of reasonable shape I'll be trying to get to Kings by 10pm so that I can chill out enough to actually sleep.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2010, 06:49:01 pm
Well, no.  I spent 26h on the bike so to get a sub 30h time I'd have to get time stopped down to 4h.  Not likely, given my slow control habits. :)

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Chris S on 20 May, 2010, 06:51:35 pm
...a combination of the bonk, dozies, a sore knee, bubbling guts, a sore back, excess stomach acid and a bleeding arse, combined with the rain, was enough to make me stop....

I think Audax UK have found their next PR secretary.

You make it sound great  :D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 20 May, 2010, 06:54:06 pm
...a combination of the bonk, dozies, a sore knee, bubbling guts, a sore back, excess stomach acid and a bleeding arse, combined with the rain, was enough to make me stop....

I think Audax UK have found their next PR secretary.

You make it sound great  :D :thumbsup:

It was - apart from that one section.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jaded on 20 May, 2010, 07:07:28 pm
As it was Adam and I had 5 hours of bunk time.

You can't really argue with that.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 20 May, 2010, 07:36:38 pm

I'm positive there was a trophy sitting on a controller's table.

If you get it flaunt it  :-[... most unlike me.

If I had my way it would have been mounted on the bonnet of the car - so everyone could see it. so to speak.

I was surprised and very humbled to receive it, Mrs Blacksheep got to hold the trophy at the AGM - as ever I was a little further back along the road.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 21 May, 2010, 09:08:46 am
Really can't see the point of riding through the night.
If there's just one good sleep stop, and it's not an easy ride, only the really fast* would disagree I suspect (or insomniacs). Or ECE riders!

Of course other 600s will be different, especially shoestring events.

And then this "average" time business is tricky because of the very skewed distribution on all events. (so the median might well be 3 hours before the last rider, but 7 hours after the first back). The PBP site has a graph which shows this sort of shape - not sure I've seen one done for other events.

* (I dunno, sub 28H ?)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 21 May, 2010, 06:05:05 pm

However, a combination of the bonk, dozies, a sore knee, bubbling guts, a sore back, excess stomach acid and a bleeding arse was enough to make me stop for sleep.


I wasn't aware that Hummers was even on the ride.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 21 May, 2010, 08:07:43 pm

However, a combination of the bonk, dozies, a sore knee, bubbling guts, a sore back, excess stomach acid and a bleeding arse was enough to make me stop for sleep.


I wasn't aware that Hummers was even on the ride.

I think he was in spirit. :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 21 May, 2010, 10:05:37 pm

I think he was in spirit. :)

Hummers doesn't do spirit; it's corpulent flesh or nothing.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Jules on 22 May, 2010, 04:46:04 pm
Someone claiming to be Hummers was hanging around the start of the Denmead 400 (which has a lazy lie-a-bed 7am start) after the Bryan Chapman had already departed.

I wasn't fooled though. While it looked like Hummers this one was far too well-dressed and well-behaved and claimed to be passing through Denmead whilst in the middle of early-morning family duties.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 22 May, 2010, 08:10:25 pm
Final up-date of finishers (subject to validation of course).

The final tally for the w/e's rides stands at 100

In my usual prctice of not name dropping.

One of the helpers rode during the week, and turned-in a very impressive time - even more so when they rode it on their own.  :thumbsup:

And I decided to ride it on the two hottest days of the year, got a bit of heatstroke.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 22 May, 2010, 08:39:07 pm
Richie T no doubt.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: JStone on 23 May, 2010, 12:11:22 am
Final up-date of finishers (subject to validation of course).
The final tally for the w/e's rides stands at 100...


That's a big increase from the last couple of years - in fact, exactly 33 1/3% more than 2009. Any hypotheses as to why? Impact of YACF? Global warming?
Edit: PBP pre-qual?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 23 May, 2010, 09:44:31 am
Quote of the weekend:

"My poo'er has gone doon 5 watts".
Brilliant!!
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 23 May, 2010, 06:33:07 pm
That's a big increase from the last couple of years - in fact, exactly 33 1/3% more than 2009. Any hypotheses as to why? Impact of YACF? Global warming?
Edit: PBP pre-qual?
I think there are a large number of factors, undoubtedly the YACF conintingent accounted for a large part of the field this year. Another factor is the weather, last year's field was decimated by the harsh downpours. There are a couple of controversial reasons, a forum such as this is probably not the best place to reveal them. Pre-pre-PBP qualifacation is another reason for increased numbers. The sucess of both olympic and professional cyclists has helped raise the profile of what has always been regarded as a fringe sport, to something that is respectable/respected. People have finally woken-up to the fact that cycling in any form, be it getting out with the family on a weekend morning, riding to work, a week-end spent riding twice the length of Wales - give you many heaith benefits.
As for this ride, I think having the choice of numerous routes keeps a certain freshness. E.g. ride the 2004 (which next year will be known as the "Classic") route one year, the Scenic the next time you enter. Changing the routes if enough feedback is received. Possibly having respected and experienced AUKs helping to run the event. Whilst on that theme, virtually all the helpers have ridden AUK events, and know what the cyclists want at controls.  There are many other reasons, and it would take all night to recall - let alone put into words. From my own point, I never think of any event I run as mine, I know I inherited the 400 & 600, but they only account for halfe the rider count on the BlackSheeq catalogue. I regard myself as the tempory custodian. And one day someone else will take what I have and take it further. Organisers need to listen to what their customers have to say.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Swarm_Catcher on 24 May, 2010, 09:14:24 am
Finally, some thoughts on my blog: Clicky (http://cyclinglifeafterlel.blogspot.com/2010/05/15-may-bryan-chapman-memorial-600.html)

Many thanks to the blacksheep organisers and volunteers.  Many thanks to all the riders for making it a fantastic event to remember.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 24 May, 2010, 10:42:00 am
I think there are a large number of factors, ...

Not least is having custodians that care; don't undersell  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: tonyh on 24 May, 2010, 11:11:59 am
Not least is having custodians that care

Oh yes indeed.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 24 May, 2010, 12:27:03 pm
And one day someone else will take what I have and take it further. Organisers need to listen to what their customers have to say.

I say Newquay for the BC and Menai for the BCM are far enough thanks.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: simonp on 24 May, 2010, 12:30:30 pm
If the Kings control is moved I'm sure a number of riders (especially those on fixed wheel) will disappointed. ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: iddu on 24 May, 2010, 12:46:02 pm
If the Kings control is moved I'm sure a number of riders (especially those on fixed wheel) will disappointed. ;)

Be afraid - M. Blacksheep was eyeing up the marquee at Hoarwithy yesterday, and muttering "Penygadair..." ;D
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 24 May, 2010, 12:48:50 pm
If the Kings control is moved I'm sure a number of riders (especially those on fixed wheel) will disappointed. ;)
I can assure you there are no plans to move the control away from Kings YH. Far from it, this is one area in particular that I'm looking to expand capacity. The venue has already been booked for 2011.  :demon:

Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 24 May, 2010, 12:52:57 pm
Be afraid - M. Blacksheep was eyeing up the marquee at Hoarwithy yesterday, and muttering "Penygadair..." ;D

'Tis true, Iddu & I were suffering at Hoarwithy in the shade of a large sweet chestnut tree supping pints  8), whilst mad dogs were enjoying 3peaker's 100 & 200 rides.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: dasmoth on 25 May, 2010, 01:36:24 pm
Was looking at Matt Chester's site today, and notice that he's added some pictures (http://mattchester.blogspot.com/) (scroll down a bit) of Mal Volio on "a 600km brevet in Wales".
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 25 May, 2010, 02:32:20 pm
Was looking at Matt Chester's site today, and notice that he's added some pictures (http://mattchester.blogspot.com/) (scroll down a bit) of Mal Volio on "a 600km brevet in Wales".

This is what the pictures look like from the video with the minimum of processing, the one on that site has been format changed 5 times and downloaded from Youtube so it's amazing it looks any good at all.
MV on LP - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/sets/72157624133495732/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 25 May, 2010, 02:36:27 pm
Wow.

I wonder then if he lurks here.

hello Matt <waves>
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: border-rider on 25 May, 2010, 02:38:04 pm
Damon, this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/4638396685_57949cc0ce.jpg

is a fantastic photo :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Sergeant Pluck on 25 May, 2010, 02:38:37 pm
Damon, this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/4638396685_57949cc0ce.jpg

is a fantastic photo :)

I was just going to post the very same comment :)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 25 May, 2010, 02:41:21 pm
Damon, this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/4638396685_57949cc0ce.jpg

is a fantastic photo :)

You ride too close to the wall though.  ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: red marley on 25 May, 2010, 02:46:54 pm
Damon, this

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3335/4638396685_57949cc0ce.jpg

is a fantastic photo :)

Yeah, it's great to see you freewheeling once in a while.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 25 May, 2010, 02:54:13 pm
I added a couple more to the set.
MV on LP - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/sets/72157624133495732/)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Ian H on 25 May, 2010, 05:13:30 pm

...is a fantastic photo :)

You mean it's not real?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Hot Flatus on 25 May, 2010, 07:34:34 pm
  controversial

I'm not sure that is a word you can really use in the context of Audax   ;)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: PeterM on 25 May, 2010, 07:41:50 pm
I wonder then if he lurks here.

No--I sent Matt a link to Damon's video.  He was really pleased to see your MC in action, so grabbed a couple of frames for his site.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Exit Stage Left on 27 May, 2010, 12:42:54 pm
(http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=t&chs=361x180&chd=s:oUAAKAUUUAAAAAAAAAAKfKAAAUUA9AAAAzAKAAAAAzAAAAUKKKAA&chco=f5f5f5,edf0d4,c9dba3,a6c27d,6c9642,365e24,13390a&chls=1,0,0&chld=COTNIDALILHIAZFLOHIAWYNEAKSCNJNCMONVVTMDNYMNDEZZKSTXPAVAWACTARWIUTGANHLADCWVOKNMMICANDMAMEMTRIINKYORSDMS&chxt=x&chxl=0:|usa&chf=bg,s,EAF7FE)

I've been promoting the video to US Randonneurs, that's the distribution, surprising amount of interest in Georgia, these aren't big numbers, probably in the range of 100 to 200,
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: miniog on 01 June, 2010, 09:56:44 am
Just spotted Nuncio's RR modestly tucked away

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33738.0 (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=33738.0)
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: SteveB on 07 June, 2010, 09:55:56 pm
Some pics from the lanterne rouge end of the field.
Bryan Chapman Memorial  600 (2004 route) May 2010 - SteveBerry's Photos (http://steveberry.smugmug.com/AUDAX-1/Bryan-Chapman-600-May-2010/12450275_7jaz4#891596950_QVmqE)
Feel free to add comments/corrections/names or download (smugmug lets you download full size pics (unlike flickr, I believe))
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: LEE on 07 June, 2010, 10:04:00 pm
Some pics from the lanterne rouge end of the field.
Bryan Chapman Memorial  600 (2004 route) May 2010 - SteveBerry's Photos (http://steveberry.smugmug.com/AUDAX-1/Bryan-Chapman-600-May-2010/12450275_7jaz4#891596950_QVmqE)
Feel free to add comments/corrections/names or download (smugmug lets you download full size pics (unlike flickr, I believe))

Great piccies.  I love the "A470 looking east up at the final kick up from Dolgellau" photo as it holds some memories for me.  This year was surprisingly easy but last year involved a horizontal hail-storm followed by my bike trying to throw me off all the way down the (seemingly never ending) descent.  I packed about 2 miles further on, a nervous wreck.

Hopefully you don't mind me using it as a screen saver
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Drone on 08 June, 2010, 02:08:46 pm
Some pics from the lanterne rouge end of the field.
[

Thanks for posting this link.  I've got my "smile for the camera" face on in the picture of rider on A470. Greta picture and love the one of Steve Heaney taken on the move

Tony
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Heaney on 09 June, 2010, 07:56:30 am
Glad I managed to avoid a surprised look when Steve snuck up on me.
I'll have a shave before I leave Kings next time.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 09 August, 2010, 03:01:42 pm
Validated brevet cards are now on the way back to their respective owners. I’m sorry for the delay in returning them. Although cards were sent-off for validation in a timely manner, I know the Royal Mail did their best to prevent one set from being processed. The fact that all BlackSheep brevets are BRM validated (or at least - as many as possible), has also undoubtedly added an extra time delay.
Due to the way some entrants have applied for rides, this has also led to a delay in returning cards. I have also just returned from holiday. And I’m guilty of riding a brevet this w/e just passed.
My un-reserved apologies for these delays. In an effort to get cards back a.s.a.p. there’s no post-ride stats and credits. I will be e-mailing all those that have completed BlackSheep rides, with relevant ride info very soon.
This message is also being posted to The Brevet Cymru 400, Dr. Foster’s Spring Clean, Mr. Pickwick’s High Summer Meander and The Silk Run pages.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: Nuncio on 09 August, 2010, 03:13:10 pm
And I’m guilty of riding a brevet this w/e just passed.

From his own mouth - selfishness personified.
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: mattc on 03 March, 2012, 11:13:51 am
I just stumbled on this post by accident. But it's interesting to read that the 2010 route had some differences from 2012 (and the 2008 wot I rode):

The second stage is the longest; you will pass through Builth Wells. The town has cafes, I have found the service to be slow – not something you need at this stage of the ride. The A470 undulates gently; there are no serious climbs, but the road is narrow in places, so be aware of other road users. In Rhayader the route now follows the B4518 through the Elan Valley. The route passes through spectacular and isolated countryside,
I thought it was only the "Scenic" that went up the Elan Valley  :o

Quote
Stage four to Menai Bridge. Before leaving the YHA control it maybe wise to take stock of bonk rations, as you will now be heading into the evening, and shops are few and far between. Once you’re back on the main road, this year it’s a right turn. The path from the tollbooth exiting straight on to the main A496 was considered an avoidable risk. So now keep your eyes peeled for the ‘George III PH on left, the toll bridge across the river is adjacent to it. Once over the estuary – it’s left onto the A496, through Barmouth,
Interesting that Mark cut out this "avoidable risk" - I wonder what caused its restoration? riders complaining about the new safer route?!?
Title: Re: Bryan Chapman Memorial 2010
Post by: BlackSheep on 03 March, 2012, 02:45:32 pm
Interesting that Mark cut out this "avoidable risk" - I wonder what caused its restoration? riders complaining about the new safer route?!

Yep, that's about the size of it.

That year I got such an ear-bashing from one entrant - I changed the route to use Permaenpool Toll. The vocal entrant didn't ride the followng year, but I got about a dozen complaints from riders about the change - so I stuck the Barmouth bridge back in.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose - and sometimes it rains.