Yet Another Cycling Forum
Off Topic => The Pub => Arts and Entertainment => Topic started by: Tim Hall on 16 April, 2024, 09:57:21 am
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Tuning (probably using radio buttons) in to 4Extra this morning in the hope if finding creaky old comedy, reflecting the language and attitudes of the time it was originally broadcast, or some not quite contemporary drama, I was instead confronted with Yesterday in Parliament. Switch to 6Music. Flicked back later to 4Extra, ah, a programme about maps and the A to Z. Much better. That ends to be followed by the Daily Sodding Service.
No. Just no.
Is this a temporary thing or are we doomed forever?
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Is this a temporary thing or are we doomed forever?
Listings would suggest this is the new normal. Big turn-off :hand:
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Nearly as bad as the unlistenable, loud, unfunny shite between The World Tonight and the Midnight News. I'm starting to think the World Service might be the last usable Radio station.
They're probably trying to make R4 unpalatable so they can kill it.
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They are shuffling things around in R3 as well. Listeners are not happy.
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Is this so they can give up on their idea of supporting FM and DAB for longer than anyone else?
Sam (pissed off to discover my Roberts DAB is functionally useless now)
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/df0b5352-deab-45a1-b17a-b92688f1d094?shareToken=b2e626fe92bfb83b9bd33c907c0cd14e
https://www.for3.org/forums/forum/classical-forum/talking-about-music/1303787-radio-3-schedule-changes
Article about the recent changes.
No idea about DAB but I hope they keep FM going for as long as possible. "At least 2030" was the last date I saw.
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Sadly FM reception is pathetic here, and we will never get DAB, so internet radio is the only choice.
Tried 4extra a couple of times, always seemed to be shouty unfunny comedy rubbish.
Radio 4 comedy shows are just a leap to the off button.
And R4 have moved the food programme.
Thank goodness for "Sounds"
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Ah. It's because of Long Wave getting old.
From April 2024 The Daily Service will be available at the same time on weekdays on BBC Radio 4 Extra.
4 Extra is a digital station available on DAB Radios, on the BBC Sounds app and online. It will no longer be available on Long Wave. Radio 4 are ending separate scheduling on Radio 4 LW as the technology is coming to the end of its life.
Linky with more details https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/bbc-radio-4-long-wave-transition (https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/bbc-radio-4-long-wave-transition)
Down with this sort of thing.
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They're running out of valves ! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
I must lay in some stocks for my hifi. Most currently produced valves are made in Russia or China.
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Sadly FM reception is pathetic here, and we will never get DAB, so internet radio is the only choice.
There's also DVB (in either -S or -T flavour). And I believe there's precedent for a $ky box with the video output connectors removed (radio at decent bitrates, for the reception of) not requiring a TV Licence.
Not that that makes the programmes any better.
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They're running out of valves ! https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
This article is useless without pictures of terrifying high-power equipment in an Art Deco transmistter hall.
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I thought they had to keep LW going so that Trident sub commanders can surface and discover whether or not anyone's still there?
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Anyway, I don't think I was previously aware of the existence of Radio 4Extra. It sounds like it has, or used to have, all the interesting things that used to be on R4 in the 20th century, without the news, news highlights, news analysis, current affairs, political developments, news, more news, other news. Ah well.
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Sadly FM reception is pathetic here, and we will never get DAB, so internet radio is the only choice.
Tried 4extra a couple of times, always seemed to be shouty unfunny comedy rubbish.
Radio 4 comedy shows are just a leap to the off button.
And R4 have moved the food programme.
Thank goodness for "Sounds"
I was initially a fan of 4xtra but it went off the boil on the fifteenth repeat of, well, just about everything.
While I won't be listening it does seem to be the natural home of the minority programmes orphaned by the coming demise of Radio 4 on long wave.
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The chances of catching anything you like "live" on R4x are pretty remote but it's a good source of quirky historic drama on Sounds that I regularly subscribe to. That's pretty much how I listen to R4 itself these days - gone is the need to quickly switch off at 7.50am and 2.05pm.
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I was instead confronted with Yesterday in Parliament.
Oh FFS. I’d rather listen to The Navy Lark. And I never want to listen to that.
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I was instead confronted with Yesterday in Parliament.
Oh FFS. I’d rather listen to The Navy Lark. And I never want to listen to that.
<sotto voce>I don't mind The Navy Lark
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UK DAB is utter shite anyway, except for R3 which one man and his dog listen to. Even on a mediocre car stereo it sounds bad. It's tolerable for speech on a mono kitchen radio
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I was instead confronted with Yesterday in Parliament.
YiP 1944 might have been interesting.
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R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.
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When at home, R3 is my constant background. It USED to be Breakfast--Essential Classics-Composer of the week. As Andrew says, all moved. Not good.
I keep hearing jazz or chral evensong.
Just no.
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Jazz is like watching someone watch themself wanking.
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Jazz is like watching someone watch themself wanking.
As dumb statements go, that's right up there with 'people only ride bikes because they can't afford a car'.
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R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.
The other day I accidentally caught a few minutes of some sitcom with Marcus Brigstocke (never a good start) about a middle class family trying to be green.
Good grief... This is bad even by Radio 4 comedy standards. Come back Clare in the Community, all is forgiven…
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Jazz is like watching someone watch themself wanking.
As dumb statements go, that's right up there with 'people only ride bikes because they can't afford a car'.
I don't disagree - the trouble is that 'jazz' as a genre is a very deep pool.
There's are some seriously grim unfathomable depths with other very listenable pockets.
Over the years I've truly tried to understand jazz but much beyond Smooth Jazz and the lighter fringes of where 'Soul meets Jazz' escapes me.
That other folk enjoy and appreciate it (along with opera) is fine by me - each to his own, it makes the world a better place.
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Miss von Brandenburg's f-i-l started his music career in jazz, but he was later cured :demon:
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R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.
The other day I accidentally caught a few minutes of some sitcom with Marcus Brigstocke (never a good start) about a middle class family trying to be green.
Good grief... This is bad even by Radio 4 comedy standards. Come back Clare in the Community, all is forgiven…
That's one of my prize exhibits!
More to ignore; Two Doors Down, Semi-detached and Twenty Seven Year Itch. Bollock brained middle class mental masturbation.
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Miss von Brandenburg's f-i-l started his music career in jazz, but he was later cured :demon:
In vinegar, or brine?
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Jazz is like watching someone watch themself wanking.
As dumb statements go, that's right up there with 'people only ride bikes because they can't afford a car'.
I don't disagree - the trouble is that 'jazz' as a genre is a very deep pool.
There's are some seriously grim unfathomable depths with other very listenable pockets.
Over the years I've truly tried to understand jazz but much beyond Smooth Jazz and the lighter fringes of where 'Soul meets Jazz' escapes me.
That other folk enjoy and appreciate it (along with opera) is fine by me - each to his own, it makes the world a better place.
A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?
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The short answer is that you don't. I can only imagine that your friend was having a little joke. I don't count myself as an expert, though I have a large collection of music of all sorts, and quite a library of books on music. Nor do I consider myself particularly intelligent. In my view it is folly to attempt to classify what is or what isn't 'jazz' - or any genre, come to that. It comes down to what connects with you. As Mike says, 'jazz' is a very deep pool. Even within the output of one musician - John Coltrane, for example - you have what might pass as 'smooth' (his work with John Hartman) through to his later experimental work (which I find pretty challenging). Personally, I can't connect with much of what is termed 'Free Jazz', so I don't bother listening to it. But do I manage to get along quite happily listening to everything from Jelly Roll Morton, or Louis Armstrong's Hot Fives and Sevens, through to the Ezra Collective, Robert Glasper, Ambrose Akinmusire, Yussef Dayes, etc., without losing sleep over whether or not it counts as 'jazz'.
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He was quite serious about it. But I agree with jazz being a very deep – and wide – pool. Like all such pools, it contains turds and sharks as well as beautiful creatures.
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R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.
The other day I accidentally caught a few minutes of some sitcom with Marcus Brigstocke (never a good start) about a middle class family trying to be green.
Good grief... This is bad even by Radio 4 comedy standards. Come back Clare in the Community, all is forgiven…
If that's the one I think it is I liked that
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Even within the output of one musician - John Coltrane, for example - you have what might pass as 'smooth' (his work with John Hartman) through to his later experimental work (which I find pretty challenging).
I have a soft spot for Miles Davis who likewise had an incredibly varied output over his career.
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Because I play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.
I don't.
At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.
It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.
I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.
Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
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A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?
My parents inform me that when I was about 6 months old, I was fascinated by jazz, but would start crying within seconds of hearing bagpipes. No intelligence needed.
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Because I play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.
I don't.
At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.
It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.
I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.
Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
I'd love to hear/learn more about this. Maybe best via PM if that suits you.
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Because I play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.
I don't.
At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.
It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.
I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.
Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
I'd love to hear/learn more about this. Maybe best via PM if that suits you.
That'd be fine. I can send you some links to stuff on Bandcamp if you like.
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Going back to 'zilla's jazz comment. I assumed he was channeling Joey 'The Lips' Fagan* off of that documentary** fillum about an Irish Soul band that I saw.
* "The name's Joseph Fagin. Joey 'The Lips' Fagin."
"And I'm Jimmy "The Bollocks" Rabbitte"
"I get mine from my horn playing. How'd you get yours?"
** The Commitments. Not really a documentary.
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A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?
My parents inform me that when I was about 6 months old, I was fascinated by jazz, but would start crying within seconds of hearing bagpipes. No intelligence needed.
Just think how many neurons have died in your brain since you were 6 months old. You were far (even) more intelligent then than you are now.
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I’ve never cared much for bagpipes.
Being serenaded by them at around 11pm on The Daylight 600, when I was tired & needing a little peace & quiet, did NOT add to the pleasures of the ride...
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I’ve never cared much for bagpipes.
Being serenaded by them at around 11pm on The Daylight 600, when I was tired & needing a little peace & quiet, did NOT add to the pleasures of the ride...
They have their place (over the hills and far away I hear the audience say)!
They are not best suited to close-distance listening, unless you are at a specific piping event.
They can do a lament very well, from a distance.
They can work in a Celtic-rock kind of thing too, where all the other instruments are amped up to 11, so they can be mixed down to the right level.
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They're also excellent for drowning out homophobic street preacher types.
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They're also excellent for drowning out homophobic street preacher types.
:D
Brilliant. Do you have experience of that?
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From video clips I've seen, a large crowd chanting "you're not a real vicar" over and over again does the job very well.