Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Freewheeling => Racing => Topic started by: Exit Stage Left on 31 August, 2010, 05:02:26 pm
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On Sunday 5th Spetember.
The Knutsford Great Race (http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk/)
YouTube
- The Knutsford Great Race - Penny Farthing Trials
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x6EE93teJE&feature=related)
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Looks like fun. Anyone we know competing?
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*raises hand*
I had a film crew round at the SEEKRIT BUNKER tonight, interviewing me for documentary they're making about the race.
I taught one of them to ride - poor guy was trembling afterwards ;D
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Chapeau, dear heart!
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I'll be providing immoral support and rubdowns. :demon:
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Not competing, but planning to be there for the fun and frollicks.
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I'll be providing immoral support and rubdowns. :demon:
If ever there was a perfect job description for you, Andy... ;D
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We're planning to be there too (in pedestrian/spectator, rather than velocipediary mode though).
Good Luck to all. Charlotte - will your steed be sporting full touring kit?
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I taught one of them to ride - poor guy was trembling afterwards ;D
That was unrelated to the riding the Penny I assume ;D <Richard checks passport, leaves country>
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Good Luck to all. Charlotte - will your steed be sporting full touring kit?
Oh no. Stripped down bare for racing. Disc wheel, natch :D
That was unrelated to the riding the Penny I assume ;D <Richard checks passport, leaves country>
::-)
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Good Luck to all. Charlotte - will your steed be sporting full touring kit?
Oh no. Stripped down bare for racing. Disc wheel, natch :D
Coraplast and woad. It's the way forward.
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I've just read the programme (!) and it tickles me greatly that the morning, in addition to warm-up and course familiarisation, will be given over to fitting transponders to the pennies.
The programme is:
9.30 - 12.00
Riders Registration, scrutineering, race numbers, team T shirts, fitting of race transponders, riders warm up session on the course and briefing session
11.00 - 1.45
Mereside Brass Band performance
12.45
Hobby Horse World Championship Sprint
1.00
Boneshaker World Championship Dash
1.30
Riders Assemble for a Group Photograph
2.00
Start of the Knutsford Great Race
5.00
Finish of the Knutsford Great Race
5.15
The Prizegiving Ceremony
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I've just read the programme (!) and it tickles me greatly that the morning, in addition to warm-up and course familiarisation, will be given over to fitting transponders to the pennies.
tickled me too - maybe they're steam-powered
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Transponders will be essential, as there are 50 teams, the circuit is only one kilometre and the race is three hours long. Even an average pace of 20kph would produce 3,000 passes. Which is a lot to keep track of. There is also the problem that a team can have up to 4 riders. Hopefully there will be some form of commentary to keep the spectators informed.
I'm doing the Northern Dales 200 on Sunday, so I'll look forward to seeing a report.
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Oh absolutely. I'd hate to marshal it with manual counting - you'd need a team of tickers and that's hard enough in tri pool swims. Marshal under-counting and rider over-counting are nightmares even before you get to perfidious behaviour.
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I'll look forward to seeing a report.
We need a hashtag.
#knutrace?
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#greatrace? I can't promise a pie fight at the end though...
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Looks like it's #pennyfarthing by virute of the Official Tweeterer tweeting it. :thumbsup:
Have you worked out what the top speed on your beastie is?
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Im riding this - with a team from the Forest Town (Mansfield) Track League - so thats Richard from Matlock , Rob from Beauvale and another ordinary owner who i dont know
We've got 2 bikes to use - i can just about ride the bigger of the 2. As 2 of the others in the team are about a foot taller than me, i think the smaller machine maybe safer for me
I'll be in a Derby Merc (blue and white) top at some point, Richard in either Matlock (orange) or Forest Town (black and Team Sky style blue)
give us a cheer
i think im going to be in pain by sun pm ;D
jim
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A change of plan means Heather and I shall be coming along, give us a wave as you pass.
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Adding to the yACF contingent, I'll be joining a group of Chorlton Wanderers at Tatton tomorrow.
I'm riding out separately from Stockport after playing 5-a-side. I may be a little tired.
OT- It was shaping up to be a fantastic weekend because I thought the Trans Lancs Rally was on in Heaton Park today. Old trucks and buses, 5-a-side, bonkers bike racing and riding to/from them all. It doens't get much better than that.
It turns out the the TL Rally is tomorrow :( .
I must read things more carefully 'cos I'd have set off to Heaton Park if Helen hadn't spotted my mistake :-[
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The whole pennyfarthing world has converged on Knutsford! Kat and I are the only women riders apart from one other, in a field of about eighty.
Tomorrow is going to be awesome.
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...and have you seen that one of the race prizes is..........
........Cake!
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:thumbsup:
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Have we got a meeting point for the yACF contingent?
I've planned my route and fettled the bike.
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Find Mr Gates at the course. You can't miss him. We'll be nearby.
Bugger. Just started to rain.
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Hopefully the rain will have cleared by Morning.
South Easterly wind all day tho @ 20-24 kph
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I want pictures! And lots of them! :)
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It's fine in Manchester this morning and the forecast looks good.
I'll be wearing my yellow yACF top when I get to Tatton.
Good luck in the race folks :thumbsup:
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The Ladies are going well :D. Charlotte is on the course now :). Mr Gates, Phil and us are in the vicinity of the pit stop, ready for the changeovers. Come and say hello if you are here.
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So who won then?
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According to Twitter, last year's winner Jim Brailsford and the Czech team had the most laps in the last ten minutes, but that was before it finished.
No new news.
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*NEWS*
Charlotte and Kat have won the team prize. :D
So spake Twitter.
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:thumbsup:
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Nice work :)
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On the BBC News front page!
BBC News - Penny farthing race takes place in Knutsford (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11192407)
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*NEWS*
Charlotte and Kat have won the team prize. :D
So spake Twitter.
...after a "Stewards Enquiry" (also spake Twitter/Facebook).
Details, people, details! :D
And also Pictures Or It Didn't Happen, natch.
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*NEWS*
Charlotte and Kat have won the team prize. :D
So spake Twitter.
Yay! Now YACF have to do the same at the Brompton Worlds.
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Hmmm I've lots of pictures.
Lots and lots and lots of pictures.
The fastest riders were the most difficult to photograph, naturally.
Ergo Charlotte was difficult to photograph. She was up there with the most determined riders.
Now to upload all these goddam pictures. I can't promise to get many processed tonight.. I need an early one as I'm going to the airport at stupid o clock tonight.
Bob's fault I've got all these pictures. I wasn't even going to take a camera until I read his post this morning.
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That was BRILLIANT! You should have come and found us Ed. >:( We had a great day and the racing was fantastic
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That was BRILLIANT! You should have come and found us Ed. >:( We had a great day and the racing was fantastic
I'm sorry I missed you guys.
To be honest, gone through so much $hit recently I'm not terribly good at being sociable.
The racing was fantastic, as was the atmosphere. Really was a top day.
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An excellent afternoon, with a great atmosphere ( I didn't take many photos as I had the kids in tow, managed a fleeting hello to Butterfly and Clarion - nice to meet the two of you), saw Mr Gates doing sterling work as pit crew (and others on the course whose faces I couldn't put a name to).
Will try to add photo once I worked out how to...
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Uploading Photos here:
http://www.photoboxgallery.com/danielcaddenphotography/collection?album_id=477377258
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An excellent afternoon, with a great atmosphere ( I didn't take many photos as I had the kids in tow, managed a fleeting hello to Butterfly and Clarion - nice to meet the two of you), saw Mr Gates doing sterling work as pit crew (and others on the course who's faces I couldn't put a name to.
Here's a photo to give a taste - Charlotte coming through on Joff's right.
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/8103741@N03/4961374200/)
edit - tried to attach photo but failed
How about this?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/4961374200_57d83a5f28.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8103741@N03/4961374200/)
Knutsford Great Race (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8103741@N03/4961374200/) by richardlmoss (http://www.flickr.com/people/8103741@N03/), on Flickr
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Thanks Hulver.
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Jim Brailsford won the race after Josef Zimovcak from Brno in the Czech Republic was disqualified for reckless riding. Josef was not able to be called in and completed more laps than Jim. Both are pictured here, Jim in front.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4960777471_8fd7ac7683_z.jpg)
Other stills here, Knutsford Great Race - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26102994@N05/sets/72157624761489485/) my friend Dave will have much better stills, I was mainly shooting video. Nice day out.
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Exit Stage Left, you have a great photo of Charlotte! Loving the lean angle.
This is my favourite capture so far:
(http://img3015.photobox.co.uk/08805990e31ccebc72fb79231bab69e2f48cfb599418e971168382ea7f1076869036453a.jpg) (http://www.photoboxgallery.com/danielcaddenphotography/photo?photo_id=478864467&vendor_id=3023787)
The Lens I took was produced some great results. When I could get it to focus!
1600 more pictures to trawl through... :)
And on edit: The flame haired one stealing an early lead
(http://img4012.photobox.co.uk/99355672e412cae341f5e8e08e9e7060fb62da9174c78fe9ad557c961ff129fa7154fb12.jpg) (http://www.photoboxgallery.com/danielcaddenphotography/photo?photo_id=841832264&vendor_id=3023787)
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Exit Stage Left, you have a great photo of Charlotte! Loving the lean angle.
Just seen that one - fantastic picture, but :o
It's possibly a good thing I couldn't go - I suffer from extreme lily-livered cowardice on other people's behalf as well as my own.
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Jim Brailsford won the race after Josef Zimovcak from Brno in the Czech Republic was disqualified for reckless riding. Josef was not able to be called in and completed more laps than Jim.
That explains the a robust discussion I saw between Josef and a marshall, in different languages, neither apparently understanding the other, before Josef remounted and carried on.
It was also good to see the team of 4 young lads on their 27" penny mixing it with the full size machines.
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As I understand it, after the Individual Winner was announced (107 laps), then Charlotte and Kat were presented with the Ladies' Prize. They'd done 105 laps. The organisers presumably felt that the Team Prize should go to the next best, who had done around 94 laps. Hence the Stewards' Enquiry.
I guess that the prize giving presupposes that the Ladies' Prize will be a sort of consolation for the poor weak girlies who would otherwise not be in with a chance at the silverware. ;D :o
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Wow. :o
Those photos make me want a penny almost as much as I'm glad that I'm not allowed one ::-)
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It was also good to see the team of 4 young lads on their 27" penny mixing it with the full size machines.
We were overtaken while driving on the A50 westbound yesterday,mid afternoon, by an estate vehicle carrying such a machine on a tow bar mounted cycle carrier.
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The best moment of the day for me was when I overheard some teenagers who obviously spent their time trying to be as cool as possible, saying how it was the weirdest thing they'd been to and one of the best, while they were watching a trad jazz quartet doing a version of 'sunshine of your love' with the pennies whizzing past in the background, past the Bentleys on display.
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That was a fantastic day out !
Helen and I arrived about 45 minutes after the race started (football went on a bit longer than anticipated and I needed to stop en route to get something, anything, to eat).
We watched the race with some of our cycling mates for about an hour before they set off back and we decided to go for a walk around the course.
Just as we set off walking, there was an almighty crash and 2 riders went down. The organisation was either really good or they'd gone over directly in front of a medical crew. After a few minutes, both riders remounted and continued on their merry way :thumbsup:.
Near the pit area Phil saw my yACF top and came over to say hello and, from there, we saw Clarion, Butterfly and the forummer formerly known as Superstoker (apologies for not remembering the new name :-[ ). We met the latter three at Monument at the start of DD last year. It was good to see them again and to meet Phil.
Sadly we then had to get a move on to catch up with our departed colleagues. We met them in the Railway at Mobberley where we joined them in a drink and got talking to some potential new recruits for Chorlton Wanderers.
Edit: Abiding memory of the day:- Charlotte's 1000 yard 200km stare when she was pounding around the track. It even surpasses the goal that I scored when I got the ball deep in defence, dropped my shoulder and..........................
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Sorry for hijacking this thread, but I think this should be the next cover of 'Cycle'
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/4961850092_3f44cb1431_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ed_o_brain/4961850092/)
Well.. maybe.
I'm sure's there's better.
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Loved it ! can't wait ten more years ! Also that Brompton I've always wanted for no reason what so ever other than ? ' It fits on a train nice' is out of the window, the train window ! I'm going to now get a Penny Farthing'
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I think ordinary racing should become a new national sport.
The atmosphere was really really positive.
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I think ordinary racing should become a new national sport.
The atmosphere was really really positive.
You mean racing with penny farthings ?
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That's a great photo - love the colours and composition. Definite girl power in evidence today: both our ladies are fierce. :thumbsup:
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Charlotte and Kat went unto Knutsford. Being un-pennied and therefore skill-less, I assumed the Choppy Warburton role (minus the strychnine and brandy, natch) and worked the pit. The course: a 700m tight circuit. The race: 3 hours, most laps wins.
Kat had previous penny-racing experience in Evandale (Tasmania) so she took the first leg. They both rode hell for leather and WON THE TEAM RACE with an official 105 laps.
(it gets complicated around the lap counting: I was counting each lap, so as to call the changeovers before they flagged, so I had notes for 103 laps. Two free processional laps before the starting gun gives 105. The laps initially announced were well down at 94, so there was some querying...)
That's 72 km!
Did I say starting gun? Starting Napoleonic freaking cannon. We felt the shockwave over in the pit lane.
The big boojum on the course was The Czech, Josef, who has Grand Tour palmares and (in legend) faceplanted to get over the line for a win. A nails nutter who took corners so steep we were all gawping. Once their blood was up, the ladies were cornering like the Czech -- and unlike the Czech, not riding dangerously and not causing DQ-earning dangerous crashes. Later in the race, he was taking Charlotte's wheel for a few laps. There was a respectful nod after it all was over. There are some awesome photos of Calshot-steep turns at speed.
The buzz in the pit was fantastic: the other teams coming through and swapping bikes or transponders, knackered racers, frantic repairs (the Joffs were being ridden to spokey death; the old bikes just falling apart). You'd catch urgent imprecations in random languages and accents, the whole thing had a vintage car race. No pie fight at the end.
There were a team of young'uns on a 27" repro and they had it nailed. The charity guys from Spend A Penny were great, and it was neck-and-neck between our girls and the spiffing moustaches right to the end. We redlined Charlotte for the century lap, swapped over to Kat until the finishing gun, and the two rode a valedictorian lap side-by-side high-fiving through the finish to tumultuous applause.
The solos, the processional teams -- all awesome. Dave Brailsford won the solo, with maybe half a dozen serious solo GC contenders (including the DQ'd Czech). In the last hour we'd see these speedy boys being paced and then being taken by Charlotte and Kat; with a pit-lane time of 15 seconds, we could change often, keeping them sprinty-fresh.
The marshalling, course -- awesome. There's the steward's enquiry to look at yet but we know who won. :)
Queensbury Rules: We're all friends (penny racing is a small, weird pond), but by crikey, they were in it to win it. A-game all the way, perfect bikes for the course (the big wheels couldn't accelerate out of the corners), solid experience (London on a penny = coping with race traffic and the pit), exactly the right dose of red mist and a solid strategy.
Chapeau, Knutsford Great Race 2010 team champs!
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Lovely report Anders.
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Here's another who thought it was a great day out. You didn't even have to be interested in bikes to enjoy it, it was such a great spectacle.
Well done to the organisers and participants. Everyone one of you made it special.
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A marvellous day - the epitome of steampunk cycling. Indeed, Charlotte in her prime did resemble a steam train. Kat, too, belied her slight appearance with some fearsome riding and impressive acceleration on some of her overtakes. I have oodles^2 of photos (many just blurs) of our wonderful team and others.
Highlights included:
The young lads who did the whole race on a 27" bike, pedalling furiously (though they did get the hang of getting the feet off the pedals for the short sharp downhill). They were totally focussed for the entire three hours, and I didn't see any adult assistance. Even when tiring, their changeovers were very impressive.
Joff riding solo, with a pith helmet on. Chapeau!
Dennis The Menace egging the crowds on.
The indomitable Lionel, who now has a fan club in Cheshire, it seems, from the roars of applause and general delight as he made his stately but good-humoured, and ever-so-slightly eccentric way around the course.
Spendapenny, the second placed team, with their magnificent costumes and serious face furniture. Despite having never ridden a penny before entering the race, they were brilliant.
Best of all - Charlotte & Kat's utter delight after the race. They seemed almost more excited about the prospect of cake than the win itself, but by jove, they had earned both! :thumbsup:
Special mention to Mr Gates, whose sterling pitwork kept the team moving smoothly. His transponder fitting at changeover reminded me of an F1 pitstop. And his careful record of lap times was the key to a challenge to the electronic output.
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I should point out that the cake in question was the remains of Marj's fruit cake from Mildenhall. Still moist & lovely, and restorative for exhausted Ordinary Heroines.
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I note the results aren't posted on the website. Is there more scrutineeritisation going on?
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I have nothing to saw other than this just proves that the Charlotte/Kim team are full of awesome.
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While I have no doubt that a team of Charlotte & Kim would be awesome in the right circumstances, it was Charlotte/Kat who were full of win.
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Executive summary: We won.
Longer version: I'm going to have to wait until tonight to start uploading the photos and putting some words together because work is still getting in the way of teh internets. In my lunch hour, I'm looking at Flickr and wondering if that lunatic going round corners at such astounding angles was really me.
I can't quite believe that we did what we did. It was an amazing day, made all the more special by the fabulous and marvellous people who we were able to share it with.
It wasn't just Kat and I that won it. Kat is the most awesome penny rider but both of us needed the skill and flair of our soigneur and photographer, Phil and our directeur sportif, Mr Andy Gates. Both of them worked their socks off to make sure that we had the best possible chance of riding as hard as we could. We didn't let them down.
The support from the crowd was magical. Our cheerleaders were undoubtedly Clarion, Butterfly and TGL (who has an astouding pair of lungs on him for one so young). Thank you to everyone who cheered us on. It didn't half help.
As far as I know, the stewards' inquiry is still playing out. After everyone had gone home and they were packing up the marquee, the guy from Xtra Mile Events who ran the timing system confirmed to me that he'd been back through the data and that we'd definitely won. He was so embarrassed about fluffing it that he actually bent over and invited me to kick his arse. You'll be relieved to hear that I conducted myself with dignity and declined...
I shook the hand of the race organiser who apologized, congratulated us and said that the committee was meeting tomorrow night and he'd be in touch.
When this is all sorted out, Kat and I totally want to go up to Knutsford and claim our trophy.
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You must!
EDIT: Was the timing done by Artie Fufkin?
Artie Fufkin: [after nobody turns up, at an album-signing promotion] You know what I want you to do? Will you do something for me?
David St. Hubbins: What?
Artie Fufkin: Do me a favor. Just kick my ass, okay? Kick this ass for a man, that's all. Kick my ass. Enjoy. Come on. I'm not asking, I'm telling with this. Kick my ass.
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:D Massive congratulations to Charlotte and Kat and to your support team for their sterling work.
Shame about all the buggeration over official results, hope to see pics of the trophy very soon.
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While I have no doubt that a team of Charlotte & Kim would be awesome in the right circumstances, it was Charlotte/Kat who were full of win.
Indeed. I wasn't there. I have an alibi. You can't prove a thing. Etc.
Though I expect we'd make a respectable team at something involving MAD SCIENCE, trips to A&E, or corrupting innocent people with bikes, perhaps, I'm never going to be that good at actually riding them... Chapeau!
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apologies for the name confusion. I have a pain in the diodes all down my left side, and my primary buffer needs clearing.
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Congrats to Charlotte and Kim, an outstanding effort there.
I think it is a good job these races are only once every 10 years, it will take me that long to master riding mine.
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So, about a race in Coventry next June, then?
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Congratulations, you nutters! :thumbsup: :-*
Those lean angles give me teh FEAR.
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Congrats to Charlotte and Kim, an outstanding effort there.
:facepalm:
I'm going to have to learn to ride one if people keep doing that...
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g'waan, g'waan, you KNOW you want to....
CL
(not that Kat!)
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So, about a race in Coventry next June, then?
That's fightin' talk, Mr Hilldodger, Sir :D
How come you weren't slugging it out in Knutsford, anyhow?
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Congrats to Charlotte &
KimKat,champions of the In-Line Wheeled chariot
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Congrats to Charlotte & Kim,champions of the In-Line Wheeled chariot
IT WASN'T KIM IT WAS KAT :facepalm: ;D
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Congrats to Charlotte & Kim,champions of the In-Line Wheeled chariot
IT WASN'T KIM IT WAS KAT :facepalm: ;D
Glad you're paying attention & spotted my deliberate mistake.
Edited my del-mis.. ;)
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Well done Kim :thumbsup:
sorry - couldn't resist it.
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So, about a race in Coventry next June, then?
That's fightin' talk, Mr Hilldodger, Sir :D
How come you weren't slugging it out in Knutsford, anyhow?
Coventry, eh?
Charlotte, if you get some spokes sorted out, I think there may be an appointment at the SEEKRIT BUNKER for some private tutoring... ;)
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BBC News pix (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8973000/8973088.stm)
Sadly none of our Gallant Gels, but there's a good one of Joff. Still saying spendapenny won. :-\
The same pix & more in the Montreal Gazette (http://www.montrealgazette.com/Gallery+Knutsford+Great+Race/3485716/story.html), but still no C or K :(
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...but there's a good one of Joff. ....
Did anybody else snigger at Joff's caption?
... competitors came from as far afield as USA, Australia, New Zealand, Czech Republic, France, Germany, and Hungary.
They should have added to the end "and that was just one of his rides."
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Well done to all the loons involved, especially those who rode :thumbsup:
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Spendapenny were the declared winners at the prize-giving, the challenge wasn't in until after the gongs and photos were done.
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Just found out exactly why the Czech got DQ'd...
YouTube
- The Knutsford Great Race 2010 - Crash
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYPxD4W2B28&NR=1)
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Just found out exactly why the Czech got DQ'd...
YouTube
- The Knutsford Great Race 2010 - Crash
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYPxD4W2B28&NR=1)
I'd be tempted to post a reply to the most recent comment if I was you :demon: :P
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I'd say he held his line and the other guy squeezed him, the problem was the looming kerb on the right hand side.
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That's gotta hurt :(
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Blatant undertaking, expressly disallowed, and even if he'd had no alternative he should have yelled to warn them. Clear dangerous riding. The other guy didn't squeeze him, he had him up his arse before he knew it.
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There's no doubt Josef should have shouted a warning, but he's passing on the right as the rules stated and would have avoided the other guy if he hadn't suddenly caught sight of the nasty kerb. The other rider brought down maintains a steadier line through that bend.
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I'd say he held his line and the other guy squeezed him, the problem was the looming kerb on the right hand side.
Likewise, it did appear that the two riders outside drifted towards the apex. Harsh, unless he has history.
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I'd say he held his line and the other guy squeezed him, the problem was the looming kerb on the right hand side.
Likewise, it did appear that the two riders outside drifted towards the apex. Harsh, unless he has history.
I interviewed a German rider at the start who described Josef as a bit crazy, and he'd be steering clear of him. The ability range was very wide, some riders were taking it very seriously, others less so.
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Indeed the chap was taking it very seriously. Team YACF had the right blend of seriousness and fun. Congratulations on your victory and thanks for a splendid day's entertainment.
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Hang on, the course was anticlockwise, tight left turns. Where's that? Has that vid been mirrored? ???
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Hang on, the course was anticlockwise, tight left turns. Where's that? Has that vid been mirrored? ???
It's about two thirds of the way along Haines Watts Accountants Lane, the apparent right turn is the entrance to the Competitors Car Park.
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Okay, just how many forummers were there and didn't say hello? Internet people! ::-) ;D
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Results are out! http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk/images/kgr/the-great-race-results.xls :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D ;D ;D
(edit to add: OMFG they weren't just good, they were absolutely dominant)
Also a nice shot of C with her traffic face on this chap's blog: howardbarlow's Blog (http://howardbarlow.wordpress.com/)
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Also a nice shot of C with her traffic face on this chap's blog: howardbarlow's Blog (http://howardbarlow.wordpress.com/)
Nice picture of Mercury Jim in his bow-tie.
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Oh buggah! My scalc won't open the .xls file :(
EDIT: False alarm - Windows was just sulking that I wasn't using a Microsoft product. Open Office had opened the spreadsheet quite happily.
Oh. My. Goodness! :o
That is magnificent. 104 laps in the end - initially ten not counted, which is a suspiciously round number.
Anyway, it looks from that like Mr Gates was keeping very accurate times. Top man.
Jim Brailsford rode a ggod race, though. Really outstanding. It's a real shame that the Czech chap was DQ'd (not that I disagree with the reasoning), because he was a phenomenal rider.
I'm pleased Merlin Evans put up a good show for the Clarion. I believe he's had two second places in the last two races, but he's not been riding much lately. Creditable peformance.
And Lionel wasn't last! :thumbsup:
Btw, anyone remember which team the young lads were?
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Also a nice shot of C with her traffic face on this chap's blog: howardbarlow's Blog (http://howardbarlow.wordpress.com/)
Nice picture of Mercury Jim in his bow-tie.
I was going to say exactly that. He looked very dapper, throughout :)
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It was good briefly to meet Andy and Phil before the race.
Phil I took a photo of you on the penny!
penny farthing | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964566197/)
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Ah, finally, I knew someone would have the good photos of Charlotte!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/4964300411_8f550b4e1d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/)
cornering B&W (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/) by baileyzanda (http://www.flickr.com/people/21745244@N07/), on Flickr
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4964188579_b3b684a3f1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964188579/)
peloton (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964188579/) by baileyzanda (http://www.flickr.com/people/21745244@N07/), on Flickr
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Well done Charlotte and Kat. Hell, well done to Kim too, might as well say that as everyone else seems to be. :D
Mustn't forget Andy and Phil too. Looks like it was a good event with a good atmosphere from what I saw on the crash film.
Seems like you learned as you went along a bit. I can see why you'd need to be good on the corners, those big wheels would need a hell of a lot of winding up to speed and it'd kill the legs doing that. You probably lost a few laps when you were learning, so it's a very good effort compared to the mor experienced.
This year, Knutsford.
Next year PBP. :thumbsup:
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Next year PBP. :thumbsup:
::-)
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What could possibly go wrong?
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What could possibly go wrong?
I don't think Charlotte can maintain that grimace for 1200km without major facial surgery.
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Next year PBP. :thumbsup:
::-)
What do you mean, ::-) ?
G'wan. It'll be fun. You do like fun, don't you? I won't tell J. Hopper. ;)
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Chuffin 'Eck. If Charlotte undertakes to do PBP on her Ordinary - even I might enter.
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Next year PBP. :thumbsup:
::-)
Next year Evandale (http://www.evandalevillagefair.com/), surely? O:-)
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Next year PBP. :thumbsup:
::-)
Next year Evandale (http://www.evandalevillagefair.com/), surely? O:-)
A good plan. :thumbsup:
It'll keep the legs turning in the off season and give her a headstart for the PBP qualifiers.
Charlotte will be THE star of PBP. Move over Drew Buck. ;D
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Would be a good excuse for that dynohub rear wheel, too... ;)
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(http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ado15/Knutsford%20Great%20Race/th_Knutsford185.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ado15/Knutsford%20Great%20Race/?action=view¤t=3e042f0c.pbw)
Pitstop sequence. Much faster than the slideshow can do credit.
Later, and with the slightly flimsy holders more worn, Andy even managed to change the transponder over for the video without fumbling. No stagefright in that lad :thumbsup:
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Next year Evandale (http://www.evandalevillagefair.com/), surely? O:-)
Quite.
Let us hear no more of this French Ride nonsense. I'm going to Tazzie to teach those upside down chappies a thing or two about riding a wheel :)
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U B de Tasmanian Deevil AICMFP
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Charlotte doing a masterclass in wheel(re)building. The course was tough on spokes. Some of the bikes looked rather gap-toothed by the end of it...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ado15/Knutsford%20Great%20Race/Knutsford241.jpg)
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Oh dear gods, I'm Choppy Warburton. :smug:
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I reckon you look the bizz...proper 8)
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Btw, anyone remember which team the young lads were?
The were Team "Deadfiles" came 25th with 80 laps in total :thumbsup:
PS I've added a couple more of Charlotte and Kat onto my flickr set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8103741@N03/sets/72157624886756074/)
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Descending
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ado15/Knutsford%20Great%20Race/Knutsford260.jpg)
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So what's it actually like riding one of these things? Do you feel like you are constantly on the verge of a faceplant? What are they like to corner on?
Very impressed by all of this :) Looks like a cracking day out, and I'm sorry I missed it.
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I reckon you look the bizz...proper 8)
So am I the only one who thought, "Rock on Tommy!?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7-k_YuGBjY)
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well tha was rather good ;D
great to see the more prominent YACFers. And the not so prominent
I did try to dress for the occasion 8)
the only shame is that we got to wait 10years for it to happen again. Although next time we may have machinary newer than 132years and approx 100 years old. We broke 7 spokes in total ;D ;D ;D. and lost the transponder which cost us 10laps. Our newer macvhine shed its tyre - giving the owner a faceplant - nice. The wheel wa pringled - but Richard T stood on one side and me on the other - and it popped back into shape. Half a roll of duck tape later - the tyre was rolling off the rim which was a bit scary - and we werre back to sub 2 minute laps. Dont know if my wife knew whether to laugh or cry :facepalm:
jim
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A short video of the event. A sort of test, to see if the various codecs can cope with the usual hand-held zoom-pans. There are 4 changes of format before it gets to you, so I'm keen to see how it degrades. 2 mins.
YouTube
- Knutsford Great Race
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-goNFs-Eoo)
Best seen full screen in HD 720.
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So what's it actually like riding one of these things? Do you feel like you are constantly on the verge of a faceplant? What are they like to corner on?
I don't know about racing an original 1880s machine, but I can tell you that a Summerfield MkV is a thing of sublime beauty to race. Having ridden Kat's (also repro) machine, I'm sure she feels the same way about her bike.
I had a sound advantage from the word go, I think. My penny was probably one of the lightest machines on the grid and it had a slightly smaller wheel than most (49" as opposed to a more usual 52" or so). This meant that it was more responsive to pedal power, whether into a corner when I wanted to scrub off speed, or out of one when I wanted to get on the beans.
Also, the original machines were racing on vintage-spec rubber. More modern bikes like Kat's and mine are equipped with hooked Velocity rims which means we can run cut-up Greentyres; which although abysmal on a 700c wheel, are surprisingly responsive on a penny.
Of course, none of this takes that much away from the feeling of ohmygodsImgoingtostackitagghhhh! that you regularly encounter when you're racing a high bike. The C of G isn't anywhere near a regular safety bicycle and you're always acutely aware of the way in which the slightest impedance to that big wheel is going to result in your centre of mass deciding that it's had enough of lagging behind and wants to get up front where all the action is.
When were were doing our warm up and course familiarization laps, I was astounded by the angles of dangle that the Czech was managing round those tight triangular corners. But after ten or twenty race-pace laps, I was getting the bike over like I'd never imagined I would and it all started coming together rather well. Like any other kind of crit racing, it's all in the corners and you've just got to find the edge of the tyres' grip and be sure you're riding within their envelope of safety. You've got to keep on getting round people and you've got to stay aggressive all the time or you're not going to be competitive.
Penny racing is a total, total rush. I'm not going to wait another ten years to do it again.
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Coventry? Tazzie?
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My kids loved the video. Why isn't Penny racing part of the Olympics build up, it would be brilliant. Hyde Park or one of the other central London parks would be an excellent venue.
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Congratulations, ladies, on a fine ride.
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My kids loved the video. Why isn't Penny racing part of the Olympics build up, it would be brilliant. Hyde Park or one of the other central London parks would be an excellent venue.
If anyone's a BCU member and a cycling Games Maker [tm], PLEASE get on the blower and suggest this.
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Ah, finally, I knew someone would have the good photos of Charlotte!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/4964300411_8f550b4e1d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/)
cornering B&W (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/) by baileyzanda (http://www.flickr.com/people/21745244@N07/), on Flickr
That's 'shopped surely?
Combine that lean angle with those scary floppy spokes and I get "teh fear" just sitting here!
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I don't know if that particular shot is 'shopped, but I can confirm those lean angles were happening.
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My kids loved the video. Why isn't Penny racing part of the Olympics build up, it would be brilliant. Hyde Park or one of the other central London parks would be an excellent venue.
If anyone's a BCU member and a cycling Games Maker [tm], PLEASE get on the blower and suggest this.
Do it by email, and include that photo of Charlotte hammering the corner.
Big crowd in background, cool clothing, knarly-looking bike (I *love* those bars).
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Well done Charlotte and Kat.
Of course, you realise you've ruined your handicap for Coventry and will now have to start in Rugby :thumbsup:
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They'd still win 8)
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Of course they COULD and I, as main event organiser, am open to bribery ;)
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Ah, finally, I knew someone would have the good photos of Charlotte!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/4964300411_8f550b4e1d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/)
cornering B&W (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21745244@N07/4964300411/) by baileyzanda (http://www.flickr.com/people/21745244@N07/), on Flickr
That's 'shopped surely?
Combine that lean angle with those scary floppy spokes and I get "teh fear" just sitting here!
That lean angle is as it was.
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I did some research on Josef Zimovcak. Who was disqualified from the race.
Google (http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1T4HPEA_en-GBGB229&hl=en&source=hp&q=Josef+Zimovcak&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
This was from 2007, about him completing the course of the Vuelta, 24 hours ahead of the race.
Josef Zimovcak - a 50 year old Czech postman - is crazy about cycling. He has taken part in the Tour de France and Giro d'Italia but not on an expensive bike with gears. Josef Zimovcak rides an old-fashioned penny-farthing, where one wheel is much bigger than the other and keeping balance is an art. During the Tour de France two years ago Zimovcak almost had to quit after a bad fall on a mountain stage left him with a broken rib and jaw, but got back in the saddle, riding most days until around midnight and rising at six every morning. He says that when things got rough he thought about how he would buy an ice-cream when he finally got to Paris. The Giro d'Italia he gave up a few kilometres before the finishing line after a tragic accident when a motorbike collided with his accompanying vehicle. Zimovcak said that under the circumstances he could not finish the race and was later awarded a prize by the Czech Fair Play Sports Association. Now he wants to tackle the third European "Grand Tour" the Spanish Vuelta - a gruelling 3,240 km race through the Pyrenean Mountains. Like in the other races Zimovcak will be riding 24 hours head of the other contestants. He'll be starting on September 1st and if all goes according to plan he should cross the finishing line in Madrid on September 25th
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Sounds like a top man. Shame he got DQ'd.
"Josef The Czech" sounds like a character from an East End gangster movie!
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Zimovcak is one hell of a rider. In the last half hour, I had him on my wheel for about four laps. I knew that they were my last laps because Andy had told me he was pulling me into the pits to let Kat sprint out the finish, so I was giving it everything I had.
By the time I was on my last lap, I was horribly anaerobic and gasping for breath. Zimovcak was just sitting there on my wheel, getting a draft and looking like he was taking a break (which I suppose he probably was).
In any other race, his overtaking would just have been called "spirited". In a penny race, it was definitely dangerous and I'm not surprised he got DQ'd. I'd love to know how many laps he got, though. I'd guess at least five more than the winner.
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Josef actually looked mightily pissed off that you'd passed him, and he didn't have anything left to overtake with.
A hell of a rider, but very aggressive. Although I wasn't close to the crash, I saw some manoeuvres which were rather marginal.
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Zimovcak is one hell of a rider. In the last half hour, I had him on my wheel for about four laps. I knew that they were my last laps because Andy had told me he was pulling me into the pits to let Kat sprint out the finish, so I was giving it everything I had.
By the time I was on my last lap, I was horribly anaerobic and gasping for breath. Zimovcak was just sitting there on my wheel, getting a draft and looking like he was taking a break (which I suppose he probably was).
In any other race, his overtaking would just have been called "spirited". In a penny race, it was definitely dangerous and I'm not surprised he got DQ'd. I'd love to know how many laps he got, though. I'd guess at least five more than the winner.
His lap times are at the bottom of the results, it's also clear from the results that one rider in your team was lapping with the leaders, and the other about 10 seconds more per lap, the US riders were hampered by mechanical problems, spoke breakages, as they had picked up their machines in the UK prior to the event, so no shakedown time. Jim Brailsford rode an 54 inch 1887 New Rapid, and Josef rode a 1997 54 inch bike, unbranded. I've put a video with interviews up.
YouTube
- Knutsford Great Race interviews.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-byQlY4ak)
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My kids loved the video. Why isn't Penny racing part of the Olympics build up, it would be brilliant. Hyde Park or one of the other central London parks would be an excellent venue.
If anyone's a BCU member and a cycling Games Maker [tm], PLEASE get on the blower and suggest this.
A Penny race WAS going to be part of the Tour de France events in 07 and we were putting plans together but the organisers got scared and cancelled.
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Wusses! It must be done!
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Grande Depart 201x ?
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YouTube
- Knutsford Great Race
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-goNFs-Eoo)
I love the video. Quality looks fine from here.
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Grande Depart 201x ?
Don't worry Charlotte, every event meeting I attend I suggest a Penny pace :thumbsup:
Even if Cov doesn't come off I know we could host one in Leicester ;D
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Just found out exactly why the Czech got DQ'd...
YouTube
- The Knutsford Great Race 2010 - Crash
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYPxD4W2B28&NR=1)
2 broken arms, according to LFGSS...
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Descending
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ado15/Knutsford%20Great%20Race/Knutsford260.jpg)
Sorry - needed to mend the link
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Can I ask of the afficionados - what determines the crank length on an ordinary? The cranks look very short, and one imagines longer ones might help. I appreciate that knee space is at a premium, but it looks as though Charlotte might have about 4 or 5" clearance above her knee to the handlebar.
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he cranks look very short, and one imagines longer ones might help.
erm, dunno why you think longer would help.
An Ordinary's gear is very low - so you have to be able to spin - shorter cranks make spinning easier, just like on a fixed Safety cycle.
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Also, long cranks would reduce the size of wheel you could manage.
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2 broken arms, according to LFGSS...
Holy crap. Has that been confirmed anywhere? That's pretty horrible. :(
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Pretty standard for a header off a speeding Penny I'm afraid.
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I have blogged. There will be some pictures up in the gallery as soon as I can get round to it...
Bicycleslut: The Knutsford Great Race 2010 (http://bicycleslut.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/the-knutsford-great-race-2010/)
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:thumbsup:
but your minions don't get a mention... :(
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I've been dissecting the race to pin down its winningness.
First and foremost, obviously, is two strong riders with fixie traffic skills. :thumbsup:
Next is two bikes. This meant that when mechanical problems occurred (a drop on Kat's and five spokes on Charlotte's) they were fixed during that bike's downtime.
Then it's light, nippy bikes that were (by happy coincidence) suited to the course.
Then it's the ninja pit crew. :smug: I'm not just blowing my trumpet there, as Phil's errand-running for water and magic juice and such outside the pit lane was just as important. We make enthusiastic Igors.
And of course there's good luck: nobody crashed out directly in front of them, and nobody got body-czeched into a barrier. You make a lot of your own luck but the fuckup fairy was definitely visiting someone else that day.
I haven't yet sussed the relative importance of the race strategy. The other teams were riding longer and a bit more measured - I think I heard half-hour spells - with less elegant changes. Both riders recovered well, with their final set splits barely different from their initial sets, though each definitely needed resting (Kat was self-managing before she flagged; Charlotte requested management so she could surrender to the red mist). I think that a half-hour rigid strategy would have seen Kat slow down to a fast cruise, and Charlotte start to make fatigue errors. They made smart calls before we started, and we stayed adaptable to exploit the situation.
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If I could suggest a penny race as part of the warmup to the York city centre crits (http://www.cliftoncc.org/competition/cycling_city_races) next year, who would I tell the organisers to contact?
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I think that's basically the key to it, Andy. I think the luck thing was related to the traffic-jamming fixie skillz. Both riders were looking waaay ahead and anticipating well, planning the moves. Most of the other teams were concentrating on getting round the course.
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Aye, developing those skills, riding tested wheels (tied and soldered for the hard-racing win), practicing the tx and discovering the iffy transponder clips = making your own luck.
More coverage! Official photos with the right people grinning! The Knutsford Great Race (http://www.farber.co.uk/in-for-a-penny-in-for-well-about-5000-people-actually/) (okay, it's the little gong, but #57 is a lovely one)
And the Grauniad Bike Blog! Penny farthings and bone shakers compete in Knutsford's Great Race | Environment | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gallery/2010/sep/09/knutsford-s-penny-farthing-race#/?picture=366525685&index=0)
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Photo 760 works well for me. I guess it is the point at which C is explaining the lapcount.
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Moar!
Treehugger: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/09/penny-farthing-race.php (comment-bait with that line about podium girls, if you ask me)
...and surely the apex of media coverage for any endeavour: BBC's Odd Box! BBC - Newsbeat - Newsbeat's Odd Box (http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7875000/7875393.stm)
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Charlotte and Kat made the CTC Cycle Clips (http://ebm.email.ctc.org.uk/c/tag/BMikSzB7uaWDB8UkSwNhqhyh4K/doc.html?t_params=I_RENEWAL%3D0%26I_SALUTATION%3DYacfer%26FNAME%3DYacfer%26LNAME%3D%26) news letter.
At least they got your finishing position right.
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Wow!!!!!
what a day out.
Firstly, thanks to whoever first posted something on YACF about the great race something like a year and a half ago (probably charlotte), I jumped in feet first and got a team entry inthe same day...........then tried to figure out where to get a penny from and who to talk into learning to ride it!
Boy am I glad I did, that has to be the best, best, best race I have ever taken part in. Top quality organisation, great atmosphere, huge support and best of all a great bunch of riders who really entered the spirit of the event. Unforgettable. Thanks all.
Despite the fact that we killed both of our bikes, lost our transponder, popped a tyre off and dumped a rider over the bars, we finished smiling.
Do we really have to wait 10 years for some more of that?
PS. well done Charlotte and Kat, top riding. Chapeau
Richard
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For info, the race website http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk (http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk) now shows the official corrected results.
Another opportunity to say well done to all who took part :thumbsup:
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Splendid!
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Fabulous, hearty congratulations to the winning team and their willing Igors. Good to see the results confirmed properly now.
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Aye, it is that. Stand by for photos depicting trophy-toting, champers-spraying and general jubilation :D
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The champeen speaks! :D :thumbsup:
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Sorry, another link to The Guardian: Classic YouTube | Penny farthing racing, Giuly the gigolo and the War on the Shore | Sport | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/sep/23/classic-youtube-sports-clips)
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For info, the race website http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk (http://www.theknutsfordgreatrace.co.uk) now shows the official corrected results.
They still don't know the difference between 'were' and 'where' though. :facepalm:
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They still don't know the difference between 'were' and 'where' though. :facepalm:
Manchester accent, innit :)
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Fabulous, hearty congratulations to the winning team and their willing Igors. Good to see the results confirmed properly now.
Having finally recovered my jaw from the hole in the floorboards under the desk where it fell a couple of weeks ago, can I second that ?
Bonkers; brilliant!
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Knutsford and pennies on Countryfile BBC1 right now.
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Just back from Knutsford where we were finally presented with the long-awaited trophy. I'll blog some more pictures tomorrow, but for now, the proof!
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPy8tUD9jI/AAAAAAAACDU/FKoj7MPdO7Q/s800/cropped.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPzDGC7goI/AAAAAAAACD0/SXN_Pu0LxK4/s800/IMG_6308.jpg)
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Awooga! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Yay! And what a cake!
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Superb!
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Brilliant! Hope Kat enjoys it remotely from half a world away.
:-*
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Nice :thumbsup:
What's the severed-arm-with-snooker-felt-on-the-end thing on the left?
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WooHoo! :D
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Nice! ;D
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Nice :thumbsup:
What's the severed-arm-with-snooker-felt-on-the-end thing on the left?
The award for the least technically correct dismount of the year.
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Let's not forget the original recipients of the trophy; Team Spend a Penny, who collected over £3,600 for Shelterbox.
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Competition for next year, already in training.. http://plixi.com/p/62483705
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Let's not forget the original recipients of the trophy; Team Spend a Penny, who collected over £3,600 for Shelterbox.
Yep they were indeed very worthy runners up, congrats to them too. :)
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The award for the least technically correct dismount of the year.
Ah, of course.
Hang on, you can get prizes for that? Why didn't anyone tell me? :D
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Moar photos!
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxZVeJqYI/AAAAAAAACBU/LY3RfzuU-so/s800/DSC_1504.JPG)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxgmtOdcI/AAAAAAAACB4/0knujUq4Bqs/s800/DSC_1553.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxpdKpbgI/AAAAAAAACCw/ubRyrZM2LzE/s800/DSC_1634.JPG)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxV83NgrI/AAAAAAAACBA/Ta0drk84xeI/s800/DSC_1470.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxhQx16BI/AAAAAAAACB8/FXIfNMU9wTk/s800/DSC_1576.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxnfc1t0I/AAAAAAAACCk/GEyLyjN9PDc/s800/DSC_1629.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxlZj6KTI/AAAAAAAACCY/nvsB6ziaAPk/s800/DSC_1625.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ua9XvuIKzVk/TQPxqDj2GII/AAAAAAAACC0/atXeFjrKLIc/s800/DSC_1637.JPG)
The rest of the photos and a little write up is on my blog, here (http://bicycleslut.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/knutsford-trophy-presentation/).
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I could see you doing a Boudicca impersonation with that there shield...
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Let's not forget the original recipients of the trophy; Team Spend a Penny, who collected over £3,600 for Shelterbox.
Yep they were indeed very worthy runners up, congrats to them too. :)
They won the Men's team prize, the individual winner didn't feel he deserved his victory over the disqualified rider who did the greatest distance, as at 5 mins in this video.
YouTube
- Knutsford Great Race interviews.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-byQlY4ak)