Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => On The Road => Topic started by: Redlight on 10 December, 2017, 12:15:33 pm
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The "Fair Fuel Campaign" - which is basically the ABD with minor celebrities - is running a survey on drivers' frustrations which includes a section on cycling and a rather loaded question about whether cyclists should be subject to greater legislation. There's also an opportunity to nominate "bad driving" as your biggest frustration.
Unsurprisingly, the questions are phrased in the hope of eliciting the responses that pander to their existing prejudices, so here's your opportunity to give your opinion.
https://www.fairfueluk.com/Christmas/Christmas-Poll.php (https://www.fairfueluk.com/Christmas/Christmas-Poll.php)
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There is no box to say that there would be benefits for all of us if powered road transport was significantly curtailed. Why is that?
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As the unofficial YACF petrol (in my own) head.
I am not going to bother to click the link because I am sure it will be full of idiots who do not understand the privilege it is to drive on the road.
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I did and I was right.
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Tried to reply, as a car driver (they'll ignore responses from cyclists) but then couldn't be bothered to think up a false postcode.
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On myethnicfriends.com at the moment we're doing a survey asking white people for their thoughts on racism.
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On myethnicfriends.com at the moment we're doing a survey asking white people for their thoughts on racism.
Is it cos I is white?
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Tried to reply, as a car driver (they'll ignore responses from cyclists) but then couldn't be bothered to think up a false postcode.
1 Rammell Mews, Cranbrook, Kent TN17 3BQ. UK
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made a series of appropriate comments about "motorists" behavior ... true on this side of the pond too
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I don't think I was meant to respond like wot I did. No star prize :'(
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Should cyclists be subject to similar legal requirements as motorists?
Then if you click 'yes' it opens up options about requiring cyclists to wear helmets etc.
Hmm, cyclists are *already* subjected to most of the same legal requirements as motorists (apart from requiring insurance and a licence).
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We don't have to observe speed limits, either :)
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Impressive claim on their home page...
"Since 2010 FairFuelUK has saved drivers over £100bn in planned tax hikes in duty and VAT through constructive and objective campaigning"
Anyway, I shared my views. Several times.
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Thanks for the headsup.
Tried to be as pro-cyclist driver as I could in my answers - which is the truth after all. Since I could only truthfully select 3 of the reasons for worsening driving conditions, where the minimum allowed is 5, I had to supply some of my own.
Jeremy Clarkson is apparently an acceptable answer.
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Impressive claim on their home page...
"Since 2010 FairFuelUK has saved drivers over £100bn in planned tax hikes in duty and VAT through constructive and objective campaigning"
Anyway, I shared my views. Several times.
I read that as ‘obstructive and invective campaigning’.
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Impressive claim on their home page...
"Since 2010 FairFuelUK has saved drivers over £100bn in planned tax hikes in duty and VAT through constructive and objective campaigning"
Anyway, I shared my views. Several times.
They probably think that means "campaigning for their objectives".
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Impressive claim on their home page...
"Since 2010 FairFuelUK has saved drivers over £100bn in planned tax hikes in duty and VAT through constructive and objective campaigning"
Anyway, I shared my views. Several times.
To be fair, even if it were true and it obviously isn't, they've cost the country £100bn in tax revenue and in the process shortened and impacted on the quality of lives of thousands.
Bravo, FairfuelUK.
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I answered as if my main transport were train (other)
In my answers I included references to:
Drivers not following the highway code
Motorists harassing other road users instead of focussing on their own driving
Too many people in motor vehicles when they could be in public transport/on foot etc
People not prepared to park sensibly and walk a bit further to their destination
People parking on the pavements so pedestrians have to walk in the road
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Other frustrations as a motorist: “Self entitled motoring lobby groups blaming others for drivers’ own failings“
:demon:
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You'll never guess which paper it ended up in...
(link from road.cc popped up in my feed - I don't read the thing :hand:)
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They've got a new one - not about cycling, per se, but I do like completing their surveys:
https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5592096/Future-Roads-Plans
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They've got a new one - not about cycling, per se, but I do like completing their surveys:
https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5592096/Future-Roads-Plans
There's a few 'have you stopped beating your wife' questions in there.
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They've got a new one - not about cycling, per se, but I do like completing their surveys:
https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5592096/Future-Roads-Plans
There's a few 'have you stopped beating your wife' questions in there.
DOne it. I couldn't understand how to change the fines on tax avoidance though.
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They have a response from Robert Puller.
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Done it. Great fun.
Any screed which includes the phrase "demonisation of the motorist" is clearly risible.
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Michael Hunt has responded.
They really don't like Mr Khan, do they. No mention that the government imposed the increase in the congestion charge.
Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk
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That's a fine example of a completely biased survey. I've completed it, on the basis that I'm likely to be ignored but if they get enough contrary responses it might have some effect. One of the strangest questions is about bike lanes, only two options. Either along roads, or separate. When obviously there are a range of better alternatives as well as those two (enforce lower speed limits, separate cycle routes, safer junctions, reduce access for private cars etc etc ....)
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I strongly suspect it was designed/compiled/thrown up by a solo, semi-delusional, spittle-flecked ABD loon.
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I strongly suspect it was designed/compiled/thrown up by a solo, semi-delusional, spittle-flecked ABD loon.
...who rides a motorbike and is utterly convinced the sun shines out of his/her fundamental for doing so.
I went right through it but I'm not submitting it. Too many questions that can be twisted to support the Fair Fuel argument whichever way you answer. The only certainty by taking part is to justify the existence of this odious outfit.
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I went right through it but I'm not submitting it.
I did, although I imagine they will exclude my responses from their "analysis". It was worth it for the hilarious response that I then received. To save you the trouble, though, I've pasted it below.
I would welcome any suggestions as to what this sentence, in particular, means:
The London Mayor has an amoebic ability to recognise that affordable and balanced road transport costs, means a thriving London economy.
Thank you for taking part in probably the most important Road User’s Survey ever carried out.
The poll results will be pushed out to MPs, Ministers, and the media. Decade after decade, UK’s 37m drivers have delivered the 5th largest income to the Treasury. Every single motorist wants clean air to breathe too, but the Government prefers to make clean air policy based on emotionally based ill-informed arguments from well-financed self-professed environmentalists backed by cranks, out of touch virtue signalling celebrities and special advisors. Policies are being driven (excuse the pun) to hit drivers using punitive taxes, bans and threats that their perfectly usable vehicles will be made worthless by cliff edge targets of diesel and petrol vehicles, getting ever closer.
We are fighting to stop other UK City authorities following London’s lead. We hear that 12 cities are on the verge of introducing congestion charges and ultra-low emission zones. This has to stop, there are better, proven and practical ways to lower emissions. That is why we will be taking legal action against the Mayor of London. And need your help.
The congestion charge in London has rocketed 30%, extended further to 10pm and now is seven days a week, as the far left wing mayor struggles to pay for his debt-ridden transport system. And still under lock-down, the £11.50 charge has been reintroduced, along with the ultra-low emission zone which costs £12.50 for most vehicles and £100 for heavy lorries or coaches.
Sadiq Khan has truly shown his ego driven political colours, yet again. His latest chronic anti-driver policy will kill off many of London’s struggling small and medium sized businesses, the haulage industry, van distributors and hardworking motorists. This latest move is not to look Green, no, it is simply to help his long-term mismanaged mayoral deficit. Midwives, shift workers, plumbers, electricians, delivery guys to name just a few, will be financially massacred by this insane hike in the Congestion Charge to £15.
The London Mayor has an amoebic ability to recognise that affordable and balanced road transport costs, means a thriving London economy. FairFuelUK will legally challenge this idealistic administration to stop their financial carnage of millions of drivers, who have no choice but to use their vehicles every day for work, medical visits, and community support.
Please donate to our crowd fund. We are not financed to the levels enjoyed by Client Earth; Extinction Rebellion and the Green Party. Astonishingly the well paid executives at the AA and the RAC are doing nothing to fight these issues for their members and despite being invited to join our legal action, no answers have been the stern replies. We are truly saddened by their torpor.
PLEASE DONATE TO OUR LEGAL CROWD FUND
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/tfl-legal-challenge
Many many thanks
Howard Cox
Founder of the FairFuelUK Campaign
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I've no idea. I like to think an amoebic ability allows you to squeeze through small gaps and maybe reach out with pseudopodia and grab things. Perhaps Sadiq Khan can do this. It would be well cool if he could. It's news to me too. He's an X-man.
No one tell Howard that Khan is a Muslim. He probably thinks he's the bloke from the Star Trek movie.
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Thanks Redlight :thumbsup:
I do like the accusation of cranks. This from the outfit pushing an additive that they claim cuts emissions by 50% and reduces costs by 10%. My unsubmitted comment under that was "If something sounds too good to be true it is. 50%? 10%? Pull the other one!" Mild but enough to get my entry binned.
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Done it. Great fun.
Any screed which includes the phrase "demonisation of the motorist" is clearly risible.
I did my best to demonise the motorist, altho' I am one.
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Done it. Great fun.
Any screed which includes the phrase "demonisation of the motorist" is clearly risible.
I did my best to demonise the motorist, altho' I am one.
Yes, i answered in a similar way.
Found all the anti mayor khan questions appalling, no option at all given to support him.
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I do like "no answers have been the stern replies." Replying sternly while at the same time not answering isn't quite as cool as "amoebic abilities" but it's impressive.
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Done it. Great fun.
Any screed which includes the phrase "demonisation of the motorist" is clearly risible.
I did my best to demonise the motorist, altho' I am one.
Ditto. I expect a press release about the why some of the responses were ignored due to infiltration by far left radicals with their crazy ideas ....
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That was the explanation for binning the 70%-in-favour review of the Gender Recognition Act.
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They've got a new survey! The "Annual Road User Survey 2020/2021": https://s.surveyplanet.com/NzD3nRZR3
Lots of questions about cycling on this one...
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I had great fun with this one. Laugh a minute stuff.
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Yummee thanks!
I love these (although I'm sure they've already written the report)
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Interesting - I haven't had an email from them about that. Perhaps they've removed me from their list seeing as I always fill in their surveys to say VED should go up a lot, and cycle lanes don't cause congestion etc etc.
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The email address I used to sign up with (from my domain) was inspired by the Annual Road Survey Experience, lets see if they flog that list to anyone.
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The email address I used to sign up with (from my domain) was inspired by the Annual Road Survey Experience, lets see if they flog that list to anyone.
Good work.
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I do like "no answers have been the stern replies." Replying sternly while at the same time not answering isn't quite as cool as "amoebic abilities" but it's impressive.
Perhaps they meant to say, ‘“NO!!” answers have been the stern replies.’
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That was fun, but the question on cyclists obeying traffic laws was inseperable from the 'road tax' 'issue', so unanswerable.
Have these t**ts never heard of confirmation bias?
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That was fun, but the question on cyclists obeying traffic laws was inseperable from the 'road tax' 'issue', so unanswerable.
Have these t**ts never heard of confirmation bias?
They have if they have read my comment.....
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They seem to be fairly pro-lorry, as well. I always slag lorries off when I fill in these things.
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I put a few ringer answers in there to upset them ;D
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WHAT DO YOU THINK REGARDING THE GOVERNMENT’s PLANNED LEGISLATING FOR THE SALE OF NEW PETROL AND DIESEL VEHICLES TO BE BANNED IN JUST 9 YEARS IN 2030
I had to remind myself that 2030 is not that far away :hand:
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What makes them think anyone except hedge fund managers and foopballers will be able to afford a new car by 2030?
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https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-uk-slams-how-much-do-you-hate-cycling-survey-279353
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And they've closed it... :demon:
https://twitter.com/HowardCCox/status/1337473899496435716
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Nominative determinism.
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And they've closed it... :demon:
https://twitter.com/HowardCCox/status/1337473899496435716
& had the findings published in an article in todays Mail on Sunday (page 43)
Isn't it great to have journalists of such high caliber that either:
a) They haven't even looked at the survey that forms the basis of their article
or
b) They have looked at the survey & still feel it provides valid evidence to support what they have written
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Ooh look, another survey! ;D
https://s.surveyplanet.com/_E8enmkEw
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Just done it. Defiantly the usual Fair Fuel bilge though I doubt that the current transport secretary has much time for nut job Cox anyway.
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^ Ha Ha Ha Ha
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That's a shame - the survey's gone.
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^ Ha Ha Ha Ha
I was thinking about the fact that they're phasing out petrol/diesel cars after 2030, plus the recent extra money for cycle lanes, LTN's and such. Must make Howards blood boil that a tory goverment should be implementing such measures.
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That's a shame - the survey's gone.
It's back now, not a great survey, I think they may have an axe to grind.
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Here's another one! ;D
Climate Change and COP26 Poll (https://s.surveyplanet.com/cy9nh4xh)
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What a pile of tosh.
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Well that's an entertaining read. They really want you to answer one way don't they...
J
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Having asked what vehicle you use (and one of the options amongst car, motorbike etc is 'cyclist') the next question asks you how often you 'drive' to work.
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What a pile of tosh.
Good fun and quite easy to answer, though...
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Wow.
I had fun with that.
I expect my answers will be thrown out as I confirmed I am a cyclist who believes we don't pay enough tax.
This is just laughable :-
We are up against the rich celebrity backed 'Client Earth', the fanatical 'Extinction Rebellion' and the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling celebrities and the liberal elite.
As opposed to the the squillions that is chucked into lobbying by the fossil fuel industry to maintain their subsidies then?
The 'I want clean air too' stickers are the ultimate in irony, surely?
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On the question asking which organisations are most out of touch with motorists feelings, I put Fair Fuel.
I guess I won't be getting a Christmas card from them.
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I bet they weren't expecting a reply from Boris Johnson of SW1A 1AA.
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On the question asking which organisations are most out of touch with motorists feelings, I put Fair Fuel.
I guess I won't be getting a Christmas card from them.
I put the ABD. Ditto ;D
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I bet FFUK wasn't expecting a reply from one of Cox's former business directors.
Relatedly, someone has been tinkering with Quentin Willson's wikipedia page.
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Just completed the latest survey, it must be their worst one yet. Surely they've lost whatever influence/credibility they ever had, I doubt that the DoT takes any notice of Fair Fuel these days.
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Here we go again... ;)
Is the Government Anti-Driver? Please tell us what you think (https://s.surveyplanet.com/eisp5dk7)
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They did better cater for my needs this time
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Wonder what they'll make of Boris Johnson of Utah, whose main form of transport is the private jet, fuelled with angel farts?
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Thanks for the headsup. Wonder if Mr Fairfuel will ever be able to write questions without inbuilt bias?
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Hope he doesn’t mind me living in a Wetherspoons in Folkestone
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Here's the latest survey, on "YOUR VIEWS ON THE POLITICAL ISSUES AFFECTING UK DRIVERS" ;D
https://s.surveyplanet.com/amdddiur
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All done. Usual fun. ;D
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‘Previous backers have included Logistics UK, the RHA, the RAC, Association of Pallet Networks, UKLPG and others’
People not to give your business to
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‘Previous backers have included Logistics UK, the RHA, the RAC, Association of Pallet Networks, UKLPG and others’
People not to give your business to
Hard to move house/ transport goods without them.
I'm much more concerned about this misinformation:
UK's petrol and diesel drivers are up against the rich celebrity backed 'Client Earth', the fanatical 'Extinction Rebellion', "Stop Oil" and the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling big egos and the liberal elite
As opposed to fossil fuel lobbies??
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‘Previous backers have included Logistics UK, the RHA, the RAC, Association of Pallet Networks, UKLPG and others’
People not to give your business to
Hard to move house/ transport goods without them.
I'm much more concerned about this misinformation:
UK's petrol and diesel drivers are up against the rich celebrity backed 'Client Earth', the fanatical 'Extinction Rebellion', "Stop Oil" and the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling big egos and the liberal elite
As opposed to fossil fuel lobbies??
They could've just said Woke.
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On the "Which political parties support drivers, I ticked 'em all and said:
All parties support drivers. Not everyone supports that drivers rights should take precedence over other groups.
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On the "Which political parties support drivers, I ticked 'em all and said:
All parties support drivers. Not everyone supports that drivers rights should take precedence over other groups.
Heh. I did the same. Drivers are just people. All the parties support people.
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I'm much more concerned about this misinformation:
UK's petrol and diesel drivers are up against the rich celebrity backed 'Client Earth', the fanatical 'Extinction Rebellion', "Stop Oil" and the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling big egos and the liberal elite
As opposed to fossil fuel lobbies??
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I'm fairly certain that any of the fossil fuel companies have more money and can afford more lobbying than any of those lefty activist groups intent on stopping the motorist
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And it's not even generally perceived as 'lobbying', just 'business'.
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Hope he doesn’t mind me living in a Wetherspoons in Folkestone
Did you know that Tristan da Cunha has its own post code. It was specially created to enable online deliveries.
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I just put my own details in. He can do whatever he likes.
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‘Previous backers have included Logistics UK, the RHA, the RAC, Association of Pallet Networks, UKLPG and others’
People not to give your business to
Hard to move house/ transport goods without them.
I'm much more concerned about this misinformation:
UK's petrol and diesel drivers are up against the rich celebrity backed 'Client Earth', the fanatical 'Extinction Rebellion', "Stop Oil" and the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling big egos and the liberal elite
As opposed to fossil fuel lobbies??
Taking the RAC as an example, there are alternative providers of breakdown insurance. We all accept that we still need to burn fossil fuels in some ways - I’m still heating with gas - but I don’t accept them funding the misinformation, on which we completely agree. Associations/membership orgs and representative bodies are harder and, of course, do not necessarily represent the views of all their members.
Anyway - I did his survey but it’s plain to see it’s intended to wind people up rather than really to gather opinion.
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I wonder if completing his survey is actually counterproductive; if, say it comes out the 70% of respondents are in favour of his agenda, then it seems quite compelling to newspapers running the "story". If it says that 100% of respondents (or close) agree, then it looks like it is, totally unscientific and unrepresentative.
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I just put my own details in. He can do whatever he likes.
I did, too. I don't really care.
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The Green Party does not accept large donations from individuals or companies, full stop.
Membership subscriptions
Membership subscriptions ("subs") provide one source of funding for political parties. However, in recent times membership has declined and campaign costs have grown.
The Green Party is the only major political party in the UK which receives the majority of its funding through membership fees and these are what cover the running costs of the organisation. Membership subs have become a more significant source in income for both the SNP and Labour in recent years, as both have seen substantial increases in membership.[2][9]
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"...the uncompromising 'Green Party' all well financed by millions of pounds of donations from misinformed virtue signalling big egos and the liberal elite"
They've obviously never looked at the Green party accounts.
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virtue signalling big ego liberal elite
Is a contender for my next sig
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The Green Party does not accept large donations from individuals or companies, full stop.
Membership subscriptions
Membership subscriptions ("subs") provide one source of funding for political parties. However, in recent times membership has declined and campaign costs have grown.
The Green Party is the only major political party in the UK which receives the majority of its funding through membership fees and these are what cover the running costs of the organisation. Membership subs have become a more significant source in income for both the SNP and Labour in recent years, as both have seen substantial increases in membership.[2][9]
I suspect that any figures the SNP provide on its funding are somewhat unreliable - https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-first-minister-humza-yousaf-reveals-snp-auditors-resigned-six-months-ago-and-he-did-not-previously-know-12855153#:~:text=It%20was%20revealed%20last%20week,they%20actually%20resigned%20in%20October.
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Howard Cox of FairFuel has drunk even more of his own CoolAid. Joining the Reform Party to run for London Mayor in 2024 with a pro-motorist and anti everything else stance.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/london-reform-uk-richard-tice-fairfueluk-tories-b2336323.html
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New survey, folks!
https://forms.zohopublic.eu/fairfueluk/form/BUDGETMARCH2024/formperma/PMNA3K0qp3OFk9vjdHD9pUt0hBrMzDLiQfboIBW7cR4
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New survey, folks!
https://forms.zohopublic.eu/fairfueluk/form/BUDGETMARCH2024/formperma/PMNA3K0qp3OFk9vjdHD9pUt0hBrMzDLiQfboIBW7cR4 (https://forms.zohopublic.eu/fairfueluk/form/BUDGETMARCH2024/formperma/PMNA3K0qp3OFk9vjdHD9pUt0hBrMzDLiQfboIBW7cR4)
They are moving to a subscription model now and the survey will not be accepted unless you tick
one of the boxes (£25, £50, £100, etc) indicating that you're prepared to pay said amount as an
annual subscription.
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New survey, folks!
https://forms.zohopublic.eu/fairfueluk/form/BUDGETMARCH2024/formperma/PMNA3K0qp3OFk9vjdHD9pUt0hBrMzDLiQfboIBW7cR4 (https://forms.zohopublic.eu/fairfueluk/form/BUDGETMARCH2024/formperma/PMNA3K0qp3OFk9vjdHD9pUt0hBrMzDLiQfboIBW7cR4)
They are moving to a subscription model now and the survey will not be accepted unless you tick
one of the boxes (£25, £50, £100, etc) indicating that you're prepared to pay said amount as an
annual subscription.
Not quite. They're merely asking your opinion as to what the membership fee should be. It doesn't require you to pay up when they launch that. And you can of course tick the "Other" box and enter 0.
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Or select £100, as they are obviously worth that, and if enough people do that then that'll be what they set their subs to when they start to do a membership drive.
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That is one very biased survey, which of course is as expected. Completed the survey with answers that they probably didn't want.
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Similar but I am sure they are worth every penny of my suggested £250 annual membership fee. ;)