David k can't face coming out, but then he doesn't have SPIKY TYRES! I found some ice, for my first serious fun last night - unexpectedly, at the foot of a hill with a hump-backed bridge - and things didn't get out of hand [much!]. If you can come out, Oaky, do you want to pick somewhere nearer to Witham, like the Sq & Compasses? Otherwise, the Compasses at Littley Gn suits me.