Author Topic: Why isn't this attempted murder?  (Read 6713 times)

Marco Stefano

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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #25 on: 28 February, 2023, 02:42:18 pm »
Thanks for that information, barakta.

That's just bloody awful; maliciously reckless. The actions of the defendant were not what I would expect in that position, whether offside or not - I would expect her to drive upwards into the attacker's chest & shoulders to force the player from the ball, and either pick it up or drive over for following teammates to pick up. When the game's laws give so much opportunity to exert significant force on opponents, why bother doing it outside them? I would hope that the RFU instigates a lifetime ban from rugby (her values seem poles apart from the game's core values), but I'm not sure they will.

My daughter (similar size & only slightly heavier than the claimant, but trained at a high level for some years) was bent double at the back of a ruck while playing scrum-half in a Premiership game a couple of years ago, luckily emerging to walk off with very sore lower back muscles, and not due to malicious play. As Peter says, chilling indeed...

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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #26 on: 28 February, 2023, 06:48:20 pm »
@ DuncanM

It isn't up to the sports authorities to bring criminal charges.  I know you know that.  But I'm hugely attracted by what the civil authorities did to Ferguson and I don't recall there being much of a fuss about it.  Basically, someone looked at it and said something along the lines of, "That's a crime and there's clear evidence."  There's nothing special about sporting arenas, in my mind.  I agree with so much of what you say but the fact that "there would be no players left" if cases were followed up, whilst it might possibly (not probably) be true, is actually an indictment of sport.  I think if steps were taken to make games safer, especially punishing miscreants, participation would actually go up. 

There has been a number of cases where what can best be described as fisticuffs has ended up in the legal courts rather than football authorities and the sheriff has effectivley said WTF is this doing with me it's clearly in the competence of the NGB.

Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #27 on: 01 March, 2023, 02:32:12 am »
Which is why the Ferguson case was so unusual - and,in my view, progressive.  What does NGB stand for?   National Governing Body?  Not Gonna Bother, Not Give (A) B****r?

The above is not a criticism of you, by the way!

Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #28 on: 14 November, 2023, 06:30:57 pm »


Police arrest man over death of ice hockey player during UK match



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Police investigating the death of the professional ice hockey player Adam Johnson have arrested a man on suspicion of manslaughter.

Johnson, 29, died after appearing to receive a catastrophic cut to his neck from the skate blade of another player during a Challenge Cup game between his team, Nottingham Panthers, and Sheffield Steelers on 30 October.

About 8,000 people were in the crowd for the Saturday night match at Sheffield Arena. Witnesses said the incident was horrific and left many fans in tears as the match was abandoned.


Ice Hockey UK and the English Ice Hockey Association (EIHA) were given 56 days to reply about what action has been taken, or why action has not been taken.

The EIHA said neck guards would become mandatory from 2024, but the Elite League is not under its control. The Elite League, in which the Panthers and Steelers compete, has said it will not make the use of neck guards mandatory but will “strongly encourage” players and officials to wear them after the tragedy.


Maybe the ‘Elite’ League will be short of two players now.
Sheldon Brown never said leave it to the professionals.

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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #29 on: 14 November, 2023, 06:50:11 pm »
I would imagine a lot depends on the evidence that they have.
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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #30 on: 14 November, 2023, 06:54:47 pm »
The video that I saw looked more like kickboxing that ice hockey  >:(

Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #31 on: 14 November, 2023, 07:37:27 pm »
I would imagine a lot depends on the evidence that they have.

To be sure:

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We have been speaking to highly specialised experts in their field to assist in our enquiries and continue to work closely with the health and safety department at Sheffield City Council, which is supporting our ongoing investigation.
DCS Becs Horsfall, South Yorkshire Police
Sheldon Brown never said leave it to the professionals.

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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #32 on: 14 November, 2023, 09:17:55 pm »
The video that I saw looked more like kickboxing that ice hockey  >:(

There's an ancient quote:"I went to a fight last night and an ice hockey game broke out."
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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #33 on: 14 November, 2023, 09:36:04 pm »
The video that I saw looked more like kickboxing that ice hockey  >:(
I've seen the video. Pretty horrific.
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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #34 on: 14 November, 2023, 10:21:52 pm »
Which is why the Ferguson case was so unusual - and,in my view, progressive.  What does NGB stand for?   National Governing Body?  Not Gonna Bother, Not Give (A) B****r?

The above is not a criticism of you, by the way!

Missed this, National Governing Body.

But then the other 2 could apply to the SFA anyway.
As could various other things that acronym could stand for.

Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #35 on: 14 November, 2023, 11:39:03 pm »
Thanks!   ;D

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Re: Why isn't this attempted murder?
« Reply #36 on: 15 November, 2023, 08:16:28 am »


Police arrest man over death of ice hockey player during UK match



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Police investigating the death of the professional ice hockey player Adam Johnson have arrested a man on suspicion of manslaughter.

Johnson, 29, died after appearing to receive a catastrophic cut to his neck from the skate blade of another player during a Challenge Cup game between his team, Nottingham Panthers, and Sheffield Steelers on 30 October.

About 8,000 people were in the crowd for the Saturday night match at Sheffield Arena. Witnesses said the incident was horrific and left many fans in tears as the match was abandoned.


Ice Hockey UK and the English Ice Hockey Association (EIHA) were given 56 days to reply about what action has been taken, or why action has not been taken.

The EIHA said neck guards would become mandatory from 2024, but the Elite League is not under its control. The Elite League, in which the Panthers and Steelers compete, has said it will not make the use of neck guards mandatory but will “strongly encourage” players and officials to wear them after the tragedy.


Maybe the ‘Elite’ League will be short of two players now.
Hadn't realised this was in Sheffield. Had just seen the headlines and assumed Canada or USA (just cos that's where the most ice hockey is played).
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