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Mr Larrington

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #25 on: 21 April, 2024, 11:24:37 am »
Miss von Brandenburg's f-i-l started his music career in jazz, but he was later cured :demon:
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #26 on: 21 April, 2024, 11:51:30 am »
R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.

The other day I accidentally caught a few minutes of some sitcom with Marcus Brigstocke (never a good start) about a middle class family trying to be green.

Good grief... This is bad even by Radio 4 comedy standards. Come back Clare in the Community, all is forgiven…


That's one of my prize exhibits!

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #27 on: 21 April, 2024, 04:21:54 pm »
Miss von Brandenburg's f-i-l started his music career in jazz, but he was later cured :demon:
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #28 on: 23 April, 2024, 03:39:35 pm »
Jazz is like watching someone watch themself wanking.
As dumb statements go, that's right up there with 'people only ride bikes because they can't afford a car'.
I don't disagree - the trouble is that 'jazz' as a genre is a very deep pool.
There's are some seriously grim unfathomable depths with other very listenable pockets.
Over the years I've truly tried to understand jazz but much beyond Smooth Jazz and the lighter fringes of where 'Soul meets Jazz' escapes me.

That other folk enjoy and appreciate it (along with opera) is fine by me - each to his own, it makes the world a better place.
A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #29 on: 23 April, 2024, 04:20:17 pm »
The short answer is that you don't. I can only imagine that your friend was having a little joke. I don't count myself as an expert, though I have a large collection of music of all sorts, and quite a library of books on music. Nor do I consider myself particularly intelligent. In my view it is folly to attempt to classify what is or what isn't 'jazz' - or any genre, come to that. It comes down to what connects with you. As Mike says, 'jazz' is a very deep pool. Even within the output of one musician - John Coltrane, for example - you have what might pass as 'smooth' (his work with John Hartman) through to his later experimental work (which I find pretty challenging). Personally, I can't connect with much of what is termed 'Free Jazz', so I don't bother listening to it. But do I manage to get along quite happily listening to everything from Jelly Roll Morton, or Louis Armstrong's Hot Fives and Sevens, through to the Ezra Collective, Robert Glasper, Ambrose Akinmusire, Yussef Dayes, etc., without losing sleep over whether or not it counts as 'jazz'.

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #30 on: 23 April, 2024, 04:25:02 pm »
He was quite serious about it. But I agree with jazz being a very deep – and wide – pool. Like all such pools, it contains turds and sharks as well as beautiful creatures.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #31 on: 23 April, 2024, 04:50:26 pm »
R4X is the home of the Radio Comedy Hall of Shame.

The other day I accidentally caught a few minutes of some sitcom with Marcus Brigstocke (never a good start) about a middle class family trying to be green.

Good grief... This is bad even by Radio 4 comedy standards. Come back Clare in the Community, all is forgiven…

If that's the one I think it is I liked that

citoyen

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #32 on: 23 April, 2024, 08:12:41 pm »
Even within the output of one musician - John Coltrane, for example - you have what might pass as 'smooth' (his work with John Hartman) through to his later experimental work (which I find pretty challenging).

I have a soft spot for Miles Davis who likewise had an incredibly varied output over his career.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #33 on: 23 April, 2024, 10:07:58 pm »
Because I  play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.

I don't.

At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.

It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.

I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.

Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #34 on: 23 April, 2024, 10:35:34 pm »
A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?

My parents inform me that when I was about 6 months old, I was fascinated by jazz, but would start crying within seconds of hearing bagpipes.  No intelligence needed.

Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #35 on: 23 April, 2024, 10:43:35 pm »
Because I  play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.

I don't.

At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.

It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.

I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.

Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
I'd love to hear/learn more about this. Maybe best via PM if that suits you.

nicknack

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #36 on: 24 April, 2024, 08:00:02 am »
Because I  play the saxophone many folk automatically assume I play jazz.

I don't.

At least, I try not to. I get asked to though and, because I'm nice, I usually comply and play something that many would recognise as being jazzy.

It's terribly boring though. American standards from 30s and 40s. Always: head, sax solo, keys solo, bass solo, drum solo, head. Riddled with clichés.

I prefer free improvisation which doesn't necessarily mean random noise. It can be any style you like.

Anyway, sorry, I don't listen to R4X.
I'd love to hear/learn more about this. Maybe best via PM if that suits you.

That'd be fine. I can send you some links to stuff on Bandcamp if you like.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #37 on: 24 April, 2024, 11:01:45 am »
Going back to 'zilla's jazz comment. I assumed he was channeling Joey 'The Lips' Fagan* off of that documentary** fillum about an Irish Soul band that I saw.

* "The name's Joseph Fagin. Joey 'The Lips' Fagin."
"And I'm Jimmy "The Bollocks" Rabbitte"
"I get mine from my horn playing. How'd you get yours?"

** The Commitments. Not really a documentary.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #38 on: 24 April, 2024, 01:15:03 pm »
A classical conductor told me last summer that he wasn't "intelligent enough to enjoy jazz." Actually I can't now remember if he said enjoy, appreciate, understand, like or whatever, but it was that idea. I thought it an odd thing to say. Why do you need to be intelligent to listen to jazz? Or, come to that, any musical genre?

My parents inform me that when I was about 6 months old, I was fascinated by jazz, but would start crying within seconds of hearing bagpipes.  No intelligence needed.
Just think how many neurons have died in your brain since you were 6 months old. You were far (even) more intelligent then than you are now.
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #39 on: 26 April, 2024, 10:23:17 pm »
I’ve never cared much for bagpipes.
Being serenaded by them at around 11pm on The Daylight 600, when I was tired & needing a little peace & quiet, did NOT add to the pleasures of the ride...

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #40 on: 26 April, 2024, 10:47:06 pm »
I’ve never cared much for bagpipes.
Being serenaded by them at around 11pm on The Daylight 600, when I was tired & needing a little peace & quiet, did NOT add to the pleasures of the ride...

They have their place (over the hills and far away I hear the audience say)!
They are not best suited to close-distance listening, unless you are at a specific piping event.

They can do a lament very well, from a distance.

They can work in a Celtic-rock kind of thing too, where all the other instruments are amped up to 11, so they can be mixed down to the right level.
 

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #41 on: 26 April, 2024, 10:50:36 pm »
They're also excellent for drowning out homophobic street preacher types.

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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #42 on: 26 April, 2024, 11:44:16 pm »
They're also excellent for drowning out homophobic street preacher types.
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Brilliant.  Do you have experience of that?
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Re: Radio 4Extra WTF
« Reply #43 on: 27 April, 2024, 07:45:46 am »
From video clips I've seen, a large crowd chanting "you're not a real vicar" over and over again does the job very well.
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