Author Topic: Protecting/Resurrecting data, passwords, etc on mobile in event of loss  (Read 1495 times)

It's occurred to me that my entire life now resides on my phone. I have very complicated passwords that I can't remember, and if I write them down I'll forget where they are.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a one-stop way to access everything on my phone in case of loss. I have two accounts, one with Samsung, and one with Google for the Android and I'm not entirely sure which one contains which data


barakta

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I'd get a password manager, pay for a subscription so someone can be designated to retrieve access if you are incapacitated/die (it alerts you, so it only lets them have access if you don't respond to the alert) and enables a backup.

We use BitWarden which is open source and trustworthy. I think LastPass is the dodgy one who keep leaking data

Kim

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Second that.  Use a password manager, and don't store actual data you don't have a copy of elsewhere on a portable device, because at some point it will get broken and/or stolen.

That said, the Google (and no doubt Apple) way of resurrecting your stuff on a new device because they've been storing it all on their servers works very well, as long as you let them have access to everything.

Pingu

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...if you...die...it alerts you...

That's cool  8)

My phone doesn't have my life on. That's on my desktop. I run Dropbox on my tablets, and Keepass for passwords. Master copy on the PC, occasional copies to the phone and tablet as needed. MyPhone Explorer to manage contacts etc. which get copied to the phone as needed. The only unique things really on the phone are any photos I've taken and not yet copied to the desktop.

Jaded

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It is simpler than it looks.

Jaded

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It's an interesting one.

I have written my passwords down (2 - one for the computer, and one for the password manager - and put them in a safe place) but someone needs to know where they are, and how to use them.

For the OP, I think you'll need at least four different password locations

1) banking and important stuff that is needed after deadness
2) forums and shit for someone to declare you dead so you get the rarity of lots of nice posts about you
3) goat and MX5 porn stuff. Probably best that you don't release that pw
4) your General Election voting history.
It is simpler than it looks.

Most stuff should be using 2-factor authentication, so worth having a backup for that as well. eg I have the Google Authenticator app on my phone, tablet, and an old phone. Or could print out a set of backup codes.

barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
We didn't officially have Stepdad's work/personal PC password but mum guessed it (for context, he died 7 days ago). We got into 3 of his iThings and I worked out the 4th. That's been helpful as I've been able to access his email and fish out useful info like his last P60 and pensions shit as well as people we needed to inform and out of office.

With access to his usual phone, I reset his Apple password and am scraping his iCloud for photos now for later sorting as his paid subscription will die when payment stops cos we do NOT have banking access and the accounts will be frozen imminently.

Stepdad had a password spreadsheet, only 1 password has worked so far of those I tried, so fucking pointless and extra stressful tbh.

I will be putting Mum on BitWarden paid sub (she's wealthy she can put some quids to them) for all her passwords and me as her retriever. She struggles with passwords so this may help, IF I can train her to do it.

Jaded

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I think a better solution to the sticky note put in a place that I think is sensible, would be for me to send barakta my 2 passwords.

(I'd give them to Hot Flatus, but he'd spend hours looking for goat porn)
It is simpler than it looks.

Kim

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Yeah, barakta's much quicker at finding the goat pr0n.  Or in this case, a rich vein of boomer memes[1] and screenshots of grammar pedantry.


[1] If the bathroom walls are anything to go by, the stuff that was a bit too misogynistic for Reader's Digest.

barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
I also deleted out the special category data out of his image files so I can back them all up with his umpty zillion photos for his kids/my mum to check in their own time. I wll run a duplicate identifier o matic as I'm sure he's increementally downloaded before but I wanted to yoik all the pics before his iCloud subscription croaks from non payment from frozen bank account.

Morbid humour . . .

I wonder if funeral homes are now getting requests from family to unlock phones using the deceased's fingerprints?
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My wife and I each use password managers - we happen to have chosen different ones, but we know what each other has and where to look. We each have each others' master passwords in our own password DBs. That also provides a backup should either of us forget our master password. If we should both forget those at the same time, that's a different matter.

Cudzoziemiec

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...if you...die...it alerts you...

That's cool  8)
And arranges a head transplant?
Riding a concrete path through the nebulous and chaotic future.

My phone doesn't recognise my face very often while I'm alive, I doubt it'll do it when I croak.

I recently moved from Android to iShite and the amount of PITA in it not remembering passwords has just left me not-doing things.

I use Bitwarden and use the biometrics sign in.
MX5 porn you say? Linkee ?


For the OP, I think you'll need at least four different password locations

1) banking and important stuff that is needed after deadness


I don't think you can do that. The bank will freeze the account on sight of the death certificate, and close the account once probate has been granted, sending the balance to the executor. If someone logs in to the account using the dead person's password after the date on the death certificate, they will know and it's probably fraud.

I've given a list of accounts and phone numbers to a trusted other, that's all they need.
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Auntie Helen

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Yes, my Mum’s bank account was frozen within an hour of us informing them. We had transferred some money out after her death, not realising this is technically fraud, but it didn’t seem to be a problem.

That bank gave us the balance at time of death (which we notified to the inheritance tax people) but when they closed the account we got the actual amount in it, so minus our transfers.
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barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
Stepsibs have this trouble with their mum, no money available to sort executing but they have set up a joint bank account to cover costs which they'll reclaim later. I don't know how people without a few thousand to hand manage it to be honest.

Mum is moving her own money to have available cash, we had no access to stepdad's banking (business or personal) but mum had his cards as sometimes she bought stuff that way at his instruction. I told her not to use his cards after death in case fraud but she did go to a cashpoint and check balances on them all but garbled the amounts so much (couldn't get mini statements I guess and didn't think to photo the screen) it made no sense. I couldn't walk the distance needed or I'd have done it myself more coherently. Oh well.

As for iThings telling tales to one another, it's been a relief I could access stepdad's iThings cos his passwords are rubbish, but would have been tricky otherwise. I had to resent his Apple password as it wasn't the one in his shit spreadsheet of passwords, but could do that cos I had 2 devices. I've downloaded his 8000+ photos out of iCloud to his local PC and his backup HDD cos he pays a 99p a month sub and it'll fail to get paid (so might lose storage quota) when the bank is frozen which will be this week and at least one letter has come through saying insufficient funds as stepdad moved money manually and hadn't been well enough for 3+ weeks to do so before he died.

Fortunately his email is free cos we need and want to keep that running for business wind down and more.