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Title: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 17 November, 2019, 10:42:37 am
I have some gnarly long distance rides planned for the months ahead and while my cheapo MTB shoes are OK in dry conditions, they are very prone to getting soggy even with overshoes. On this basis I want to invest in some winterised MTB shoes.

My current shortlist pick are the Shimano RW5s which I can get for £95 with a Sigma Sports newsletter discount code https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Shimano/RW5-Dryshield-SPD-SL-Winter-Road-Shoes/F7YS but thought I'd canvas for opinions first. I'm aware that no shoe can be 100% dry proof, this is a mucky sport, but I really hope that I might be able to do multi day events in challenging conditions without having to put on cold wet shoes every time I get out of the bivvy bag.

Opinions and recommendations welcome  :thumbsup: my budget tips out at £150-70 at a push
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 17 November, 2019, 10:48:58 am
Three-bolt cleat required?  I suppose that precludes any serious walking ability...

(I love my MT91s for actual off-roading - decently waterproof, good foot protection, excellent grip on mud.)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 17 November, 2019, 10:56:16 am
Three-bolt cleat required?  I suppose that precludes any serious walking ability...

(I love my MT91s for actual off-roading - decently waterproof, good foot protection, excellent grip on mud.)
sorry should clarify, I only use two bolt. Using SPD right now, might fully convert to Time ATAC within a year...

MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 17 November, 2019, 11:04:46 am
MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.

I don't think I've done much more than about 100km in them.  They are indeed heavy, though in winter that's the least of my problems, so I'll defer to a proper cyclist for verdict.

They're probably the best cycling footwear for walking in, which can be useful in itself, but probably isn't what you're after.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fuaran on 17 November, 2019, 11:24:50 am
I like my Northwave Celsius boots. Had them for years, still do a good job of keeping my feet cosy and dry. They are not really warm, but usually warm enough with some decent socks.
Not too heavy. They are not like proper chunky hiking boots, but OK for a bit of walking and mud.

Seems the Celsius is now discontinued, looks like the equivalent is the Raptor? Also an even warmer Arctic version. Though not cheap.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 November, 2019, 01:01:55 pm
My current shortlist pick are the Shimano RW5s which I can get for £95 with a Sigma Sports newsletter discount code https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Shimano/RW5-Dryshield-SPD-SL-Winter-Road-Shoes/F7YS but thought I'd canvas for opinions first. I'm aware that no shoe can be 100% dry proof, this is a mucky sport, but I really hope that I might be able to do multi day events in challenging conditions without having to put on cold wet shoes every time I get out of the bivvy bag.

No views on the shoes, but a tip for bivviing in cold weather.

Put your boots in a plastic bag (I use the inside out dry bag my sleeping bag was in), and put it in the foot of your sleeping bag. This keeps the shoes from freezing, making it marginally nicer to put boots on in the morning. Store your gloves in the sleeping bag too, Same reasons.

I sleep in sealskins waterproof socks, so that when you put your boots on in the night for nocturnal arboreal irrigation, you don't get your feet soaked to go back in your sleeping bag.

Will you be carrying a stove?

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 17 November, 2019, 01:16:08 pm
I like my Louis Garneau's, adn have just ordered a pair of their summer shoes to match.  They have kept my feet consistently dry

They do come up smaller than others, in my experience, and to allow winter socks I ended up with a 44 vs my usual 42 having tried them in my local Evans.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on 17 November, 2019, 01:25:12 pm
I'm also looking, my Diodora Windtex boots have served me well for over a decade but of course the model has long gone.  Never 100% waterproof, they have always kept me comfortably dry and on really wet rides I rely on waterproof socks (Currently Showers Pass, which I'd recommend)  I find Shimano sizing inconsistent, had a couple of pairs of shoes, neither were comfortable long term.  Currently thinking of trying on some Mavic Crossmax, which I've had recommended.  Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
My one strong opinion is don't get a boot that's too warm, before the Diodoras, I had some that wouldn't have been out of place on an Arctic expedition.  The only times they weren't uncomfortably hot was in the sort of conditions I try and avoid riding in. IMO layering your footwear is as relevant as with all other clothing.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Blade on 17 November, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
I bought a pair of Specialized Defrosters three years ago and wished that I'd bought them years ago.

Keeps my feet warm and dry in almost all weather. Only time my feet get damp is in day-long rain, when water seeps down from the top due to sodden leggings.

Reasonably comfortable too. Did a ride of 95 miles a few weeks ago, and paired with merino wool socks, my feet were toasty throughout a frosty night.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mattc on 17 November, 2019, 03:38:33 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless. And
- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.


*See also: just about all "bike-specific" clothing. ::-)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 17 November, 2019, 03:49:36 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless.

The main 'performance gain' of clipless - your foot only coming off the pedal when you want it to - is IMHO more important in crazy conditions.  I suppose it ultimately depends on how comfortable you are with clipless vs flats.


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- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.

Can't argue with that, although I wrecked the uppers of a perfectly-serviceable pair of well-worn walking boots by riding in them using PowerGrips.  Clipless is cheaper if you're going to make a habit of that sort of thing.

Depending on your pedalling style, some walking boots might be restrictive around the heel when used for cycling.  Something to watch out for.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 17 November, 2019, 03:57:51 pm
The one time I tried riding in walking boots on flats, I found the sole of the boots was simply too curved for proper and indeed safe shoe-pedal contact.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on 17 November, 2019, 04:38:09 pm
I have a pair of Shimano MW81 and North Wave (Artic I think?) I ride mostly SPD again now so the NW boots don't get much of an outing these days. 

The MW81 have been fab since Jan 2015 but are now showing some signs of age on the neoprene and I suspect they might not make through this season and have seen a lot of walking as I did use them one a couple of tours after I got them.

There was a newcomer to the boots world last winter season that seemed to be warmer and dryer than most of the competition, unfortunately I can't remember the name, not stocked in many places either, I think it was a japanese name.... I am sure they had 3 levels of warmth rating in the range,  I was quite tempted to give them a go as they looked likely to solve the wide foot fit issue of most cycle shoes...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on 17 November, 2019, 04:48:19 pm
45nrth do a few boots which get good reviews, the Ragnarok probably being the most suitable for a UK winter. Trouble is finding a stockist to try them on for size.

Walking boots are a very viable alternative, as demonstrated by Alexandria Houchin when getting the women’s singlespeed record on Tour Divide this year.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on 17 November, 2019, 04:49:56 pm
45nrth do a few boots which get good reviews, the Ragnarok probably being the most suitable for a UK winter. Trouble is finding a stockist to try them on for size.

Walking boots are a very viable alternative, as demonstrated by Alexandria Houchin when getting the women’s singlespeed record on Tour Divide this year.

That's them, (45NRth) just found them on the web! It was the japanther I was looking at last winter, but the Ragnorok reflective do look mighty good!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on 17 November, 2019, 05:17:26 pm
I think it was a japanese name....

It was the japanther

 ;D
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pickled Onion on 17 November, 2019, 06:15:36 pm
MT91 does actually look very robust, do you find them OK for looooong rides? They look tough but they look like they're heavy.

I don't think I've done much more than about 100km in them.  They are indeed heavy, though in winter that's the least of my problems, so I'll defer to a proper cyclist for verdict.

They're probably the best cycling footwear for walking in, which can be useful in itself, but probably isn't what you're after.

I love my MT91s. I live in them when touring, I don't carry any other footwear, all weathers/time of the year. I also commute in them 6 months of the year in the UK.

As Kim says, they are proper walking boots, vibram soles, laces, etc, plus cleats. I tend to do a fair amount of walking — unmade mountain roads on fixed wheel, it's a given — but also without the bike. But I also cycle up to 300 km /day in them. With the right socks (base + outer) for the weather they are totally versatile, freezing to 40 degrees.

Cons: the soles are not very stiff, they can roll outwards. The tops are open, in persistent rain it will run down your legs into the boots, and being waterproof they will fill up. Heavy compared to most cycling footwear.

Pros: Comfort. On long rides comfort can make or break a ride, I've suffered all the usual cycling aches and pains but since using these, never with my feet.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 17 November, 2019, 06:25:15 pm
I'll add to the cons list: Incompatible with winter tights that have a zip at the side of your ankle.  The zipper chews through the fabric of the boot.

I tend to use baggier winter longs without a zip with them, which is fine on an upright, but the waist isn't very recumbent friendly.

I'm in the sandals camp for touring...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on 17 November, 2019, 06:54:28 pm
I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.
I commute 9 miles each way once a week to a site that requires non metal safety footwear, not wanting to carry shoes or ride in the big boots the company supplied I bought a pair of safety trainers.  These, though not at that price.
https://www.dickiesworkwear.com/uk/dickies-phoenix-safety-trainer-fc9527

They have been so good I've started wearing them for most of my cycling, I've never had any other footwear that feels so secure on flat pedals, in any weather.  I've yet to do a proper long ride in them, though I've done plenty of full days deliveroo.  I'll need to swap pedals around and try them for a proper ride, I'd be surprised if they weren't fine.  They have the added winter advantage of being water resistant and wide enough for thick or waterproof socks.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 17 November, 2019, 07:17:44 pm
I'm in the sandals camp for touring...
I was converted to sandals for touring this summer. Non-spd, as I've got toe clips on my tourer because it also serves as urban utility bike.* I started wearing them as something good for both riding and walking in the hot weather, and then found that they work well for distances up to at least 100km too. However, I can't imagine any sock thick enough and perhaps most importantly windproof enough to make winter riding in sandals a possibility for me.

*Obviously n+1 is called for but that in turn calls for house+1.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 17 November, 2019, 07:29:06 pm
No views on the shoes, but a tip for bivviing in cold weather.

Put your boots in a plastic bag (I use the inside out dry bag my sleeping bag was in), and put it in the foot of your sleeping bag. This keeps the shoes from freezing, making it marginally nicer to put boots on in the morning. Store your gloves in the sleeping bag too, Same reasons.

I sleep in sealskins waterproof socks, so that when you put your boots on in the night for nocturnal arboreal irrigation, you don't get your feet soaked to go back in your sleeping bag.

Will you be carrying a stove?

J
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: andrew_s on 17 November, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
45nrth Ragnarok - Charlie the Bikemonger  (https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp)(Ripon) sells them.

I'm also sandals for touring - I find them OK down to about 5° without socks (toes do better than fingers when it's cold), and have gone down to -5 with sealskin type socks.

I don't recommend MT91s - they have this big problem; they aren't available any more, so unless your feet are size 40/41 (Spa) you'll be out of luck. I think the current equivalent is the XM9
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 November, 2019, 08:12:11 pm
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P

The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night. Bonus of prewarmed water to make tea quicker in the morning. I use 1/2l nalgene bottles for this (1l is too big for my socks (I have small feet)). I am paranoid so I also put the bottle in a dry bag, the dry bag I just took my night socks out of. Do it with 2 bottles, and 2 socks, you can use it to dry out your day socks.

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on 17 November, 2019, 08:45:48 pm
My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it. 
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on 17 November, 2019, 08:57:37 pm
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it.

In terms of weight, the best option is a little meths stove. I use a zelph starlite, with a simple stand, you can store enough fuel to boil 500ml of water in the stove, then a small bottle for extra burns. These take up minimal volume, and weigh next to buggerall. The largest component is a mug to boil the water in, I put this in the bottom of my waterbottle pouch, and then put the bottle in the mug inside the pouch. Meths doesn't like to burn at very cold temperatures, so stick the stove/fuel in your jersey for a few minutes before lighting.

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on 17 November, 2019, 09:17:08 pm
I also swore by mine, though when it finally wore out I replaced it with the smaller and lighter Primus Lite+ which is the same style.
quixoticgeek's hot water bottle would make it worth carrying, even if you did nothing else with it. I've done something similar, though it's a ling time since I've slept out in conditions that needed it.

In terms of weight, the best option is a little meths stove.
You're right, though it's maybe a different conversation.  The Jetboil type doesn't win on any criteria - size, weight, speed... but it scores pretty well on them all and I've yet to use anything as simple, clean and convenient. The Primus Lite is 590g, ready to go with enough gas to last me a week and not much bigger than a mug.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 17 November, 2019, 09:23:09 pm
The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night.

Last winter I proved that with a variation on this and a copious assortment of warm clothing, I'd finally achieved the right combination to stay comfortably warm when camping in freezing conditions.  (The hot water bottle is particularly effective at helping get your hip-lard up to temperature before you fall asleep, rather than waking after half an hour when your core temperature drops.)  Unfortunately I still get asthma from the cold air, so it's ultimately pointless.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 17 November, 2019, 09:46:31 pm
I'm trying on some 'Northwave Raptor GTX Thermal Winter MTB Boots' soon - there's only one pair in my size so I've actually bought them on click and collect. £130 seemed like a good deal, hopefully they do the business. If I need extra warmth I'll stick overs on top.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 18 November, 2019, 10:08:33 am
This is helpful - no, I've not yet bought into the stove life. My brother swears by his jetboil but I'm not really a big heater-upper.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I have to say I reeeeaaaaally like the look (and price point) of the 45NRth boots. It's a shame I can't find somewhere to try them on but I could always buy three pairs and refund the two that don't fit...  :P

The reason I ask about the stove is that if you have a stove, and the fuel budget to allow for it, if you heat up water, and put it in an HDPE nalgene bottle (don't use the polycarbonate ones, they crack as the temperature drops and a vacuum is created), then put that in a sock, in your sleeping bag, you get a hot water bottle that stays warm most of the night. Bonus of prewarmed water to make tea quicker in the morning. I use 1/2l nalgene bottles for this (1l is too big for my socks (I have small feet)). I am paranoid so I also put the bottle in a dry bag, the dry bag I just took my night socks out of. Do it with 2 bottles, and 2 socks, you can use it to dry out your day socks.

J
Nice tip.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 19 November, 2019, 07:41:54 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Nightmare-1 on 19 November, 2019, 10:51:07 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Remember to wear your thick winter socks when trying them on.
If they end up too tight your feet will get COLDER than if you wear your normal cycle shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on 19 November, 2019, 10:55:39 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Tight fit but mine weren't glued?? You do need to slide in the finger from the mid-sole just to lift out the replacement soles I have in mine  (I've got specialized plus wedge in my NW's).  I did notice when I put mine on for the first time this year that they felt a lot narrower than the MW81's
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 19 November, 2019, 11:07:37 pm
Tried the Northwaves - they seem like good shoes but they felt very weird on my feet, particularly the heels. So I sent them back. Perhaps a different insole might have helped, but you can't easily slip the insole out to try a different one as it's glued-on.

I've resolved to ride over to Sigma sports at the weekend to try on some different shoes instead.

Remember to wear your thick winter socks when trying them on.
If they end up too tight your feet will get COLDER than if you wear your normal cycle shoes.

YMMV, but I went up a size on the MT91s to allow for a couple of wooly socks.  A couple of years ago, when doing lots of short winter rides while recovering from injury, I wore them with only a standard cotton sock to reduce laundry, and discovered the extra room actually kept my toes warmer.  As such, I've settled on one wooly sock plus a silk liner as the optimal combination for cold conditions, giving a decent amount of insulation, but a bit more wiggle room than I'd normally have in cycling shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 19 November, 2019, 11:17:16 pm
My thinking is that when the going is super cold, the go might be to stick neoprene overshoes on top of the winter boots rather than rely on thicker socks. It's my understanding that insulation should come from the shoe itself. This was always the expert advice concerning ski boots.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 19 November, 2019, 11:18:46 pm
That makes sense in the sort of temperatures I can't breathe in.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Nightmare-1 on 20 November, 2019, 12:06:49 am
The problem is that cycle shoes a made to let your feet breathe with plenty of ventilation.
Otherwise you end up with sweaty feet which will make them COLDER.
You want some nice merino socks which are thicker than your normal summer socks.
That's why I said to wear your winter socks when trying them on and don't forget that your feet swell when you cycle so a little loose is better than snug or a little tight as unlike walking shoes they won't give after you've worn them in.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: JBB on 20 November, 2019, 10:52:00 am
I swear by an older version of these - Lake MXZ303 Winter Cycling Boots. I've gone one size larger than normal  so my foor isn't squashed in fluffy socks and being leather I don't think the're as sweaty as other options.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 20 November, 2019, 11:01:20 pm
Right on time....

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SHFLRDEF/planet-x-das-boot-spd

Really torn about these. On one hand I'm not one to stinge on something vitally important like shoes, so I'm going to try the range out at Sigma first. But on the other... If these are any good this is a big VFM winner.

(https://www.planetx.co.uk/imgs/products/px/950x600_constWH/SHFLRDEF_P1.jpg?v=6.1)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fd3 on 20 November, 2019, 11:57:50 pm
Though as a lot of my riding is on flat pedals  I'm also considering not using SPD's on any bikes for the winter.
I like this idea a lot; beacuase
- if I'm riding in crazy conditions, I'm probably not worried about tiny performance gains of clipless. And
- bike shoes/boots are crazily poor value*; I'm sure something like a 3-seasons walking boot would perform better for much less wonga.


*See also: just about all "bike-specific" clothing. ::-)
I returned to flats for this reason (which is an advanced technique on the fixed) about 10 years ago, but I am re-assessing as clipless is pretty essential for laidback riding. (... though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 21 November, 2019, 12:14:00 am
(...though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).

It's never in the *plan*, but sometimes these things just happen...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 21 November, 2019, 08:28:33 am
(...though I assume laidback wet weather mtbing is not on anyone's plans).

It's never in the *plan*, but sometimes these things just happen...
Videos needed. For our entertainment...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mattc on 21 November, 2019, 07:55:04 pm
Right on time....

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SHFLRDEF/planet-x-das-boot-spd

Really torn about these. On one hand I'm not one to stinge on something vitally important like shoes, so I'm going to try the range out at Sigma first. But on the other... If these are any good this is a big VFM winner.

I think what you mean - as with all PlanetX stuff - is that they ARE very cheap, and you HOPE they will be very VFM!

(I have loads of their stuff BTW ... but occasionally it is rubbish ... )
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 21 November, 2019, 11:57:44 pm
I'm wearing a set of their super roubaix tights right now - had them for over a year, had to do some sewing repairs but for £25 I'm very happy. If the sigma range won't do me, I'm going to give the Planet X shoes a shot.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: quixoticgeek on 22 November, 2019, 12:22:38 am

Seems appropriate to remind people of Mr Vimes theory's on shoes... and economics...

https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Sam_Vimes_Theory_of_Economic_Injustice

J
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 22 November, 2019, 12:31:48 am
Ah but then other Discworld fans will recall that Vimes, in Night Watch, comes to favour paper-thin soled boots and specifically requests a pair that let him navigate Ankh Morpork by the tactile feeling of toes through the boot alone!

This is the flip side of Vimes and boots that no one ever seems to bring up so much...
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: grams on 22 November, 2019, 02:36:47 am
The Vimes theory presupposes a world where price is proportional to quality and not just the same cheap junk with a different logo. i.e. a world without marketers and Veblen goods.

For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Paul H on 22 November, 2019, 11:20:59 am

I think what you mean - as with all PlanetX stuff - is that they ARE very cheap, and you HOPE they will be very VFM!

(I have loads of their stuff BTW ... but occasionally it is rubbish ... )
I've stopped buying from them, when I subtract the cost of the rubbish, the good stuff doesn't look so cheap.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Jakob W on 22 November, 2019, 04:02:19 pm
For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.

(OT:) I wouldn't ever have characterised Pratchett as cynical; clear-eyed about human foibles, definitely, but essentially benign.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 22 November, 2019, 04:18:41 pm
The Vimes theory presupposes a world where price is proportional to quality and not just the same cheap junk with a different logo. i.e. a world without marketers and Veblen goods.

For someone as routinely cynical as Pratchett it’s quite an oversight.

I reckon he was rudely interrupted before the story got to that part.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: bludger on 29 November, 2019, 10:43:12 am
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

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We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on 29 November, 2019, 10:54:52 am
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

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We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!


Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: psyclist on 29 November, 2019, 11:32:08 am
Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(

I went down the Shimano XM9 route, as they appeared to meet my walking and general warmness criteria the best. Assuming you are out tomorrow, you'll see my first ride with them ... it'll be a good test on how warm they are, for sure, with the temps forecast.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Phil W on 29 November, 2019, 05:14:16 pm
Back in 2003 when I moved to clip less.  I ummd and ahhhhd over the cost  of a pair of winter boots. But they've repaid the cost multiple times on winter commutes. They also allowed me to go out on the muddiest of mountain bike rides, but still have a clean pair (my summer ones) for the road. I don't mountain bike now (road bike on Bridleways / towpaths don't count) but still have a pair of winter boots. At the moment Shimano something or other (my second pair in 16 years), my first ones were Gaerne which I think were better but reached end of life a few years back. . They are a size larger than my summer ones so I can wear hiking socks under them on really cold days.

The other thing about winter boots is you can just hose them down to clean after a muddy ride. I usually do this whilst still wearing them. I wouldn't dare do that with my summer cycling shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 November, 2019, 05:16:11 pm
So, I click and collected a pair of Shimano MW5 shoes on Tuesday, for £126, and have worn them on commutes for 3 days. They seem good. My feet are definitely substantially warmer than when I was wearing regular MTB shoes with overs. They are comfortable to ride and walk in. I will write up a review in the fullness of time after doing a couple of audaxes and so on.

Though frustratingly I just got an email... 

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We are pleased to inform you that 45NRTH Ragnarok Winter Cycling Shoe - size : 45, is now back in stock and available for you to purchase. To view the product please click on the following link https://www.bikemonger.co.uk/45nrth-ragnarok-winter-cycling-shoe-14185-p.asp. If you have any questions, send an email to info@bikemonger.co.uk or simply reply to this message.

So if anyone fancies trying a pair out now might be the time!


Ah - I was going to call in to Ripon on my way past next Saturday but I see they are closed Sat/Sun :(
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fuaran on 29 November, 2019, 05:25:40 pm
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Charlie sold the shop, and new owners moved it to Ripon.
Seems Charlie is now in Hebden Bridge, working for Singletrack, and still selling Bum Butter.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: jiberjaber on 29 November, 2019, 06:29:53 pm
Off topic, but is that the same Bikemonger as Charlie the Bikemonger who used to be down in Dorset?
Charlie sold the shop, and new owners moved it to Ripon.
Seems Charlie is now in Hebden Bridge, working for Singletrack, and still selling Bum Butter.

Ah that makes sense - I was wondering as well!  :thumbsup:

I might make a detour in there on a Monday if I can make it work :) (though looks like my size might be OOS anyhow :( )
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 29 November, 2019, 08:25:57 pm
Thanks. Poor old Wareham (was it Wareham? somewhere thereabouts) left all mongerless!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: sg37409 on 08 December, 2019, 11:40:44 pm
Just bought a pair of shimano MW701's.  The most expensive footwear I've ever bought, but am sick of trying to dry out my old trainers. Review in due course.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fd3 on 28 November, 2021, 10:54:14 am
Two years later, could do with some of the promised reviews!

Just been out for a walk and my feet were wet through in minutes, so considering something weatherproof and warm for the bike.  I normally ride in flats, so thought five ten trailcross goretex, but would they be warm enough.  Other options are shimano or ragnarock I would guess.  But could do with current thoughts based on the last two years’ worth of experience.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 28 November, 2021, 05:34:03 pm
I've been very happy with my Louis Garneau winter boots, I think I went up either one or possibly two sizes vs normal to allow wearing of two pairs of socks without squishing - they run quite narrow.  They have a foil lined innersole which adds toastiness and I've never had wet feet with them.

My only issue was that I needed to modify the sole a bit to allow the cleats to engage, and they do feel a bit odd the first few times I put them on each year as the stack height is different to the shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: freeflow on 28 November, 2021, 06:08:58 pm
I have some Northwave boots.  They are fine for short rides but anything over 50km and I get very bad hotfoot. I don't get hotfoot in my normal mtb shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 28 November, 2021, 06:44:38 pm
I have road winter boots to take an external cleat so not able to give advice on which make.  What I would say is go up a size or two so you can get thicker socks in without compressing sock and foot. Secondly consider some hand warmers from eBay.  I take a few with me in this weather and slip them in the boot on top of the sock.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: salar55 on 29 November, 2021, 11:38:14 am
Just looked out my winter cycling boots, Lake Mxz 3 series buy a size or 2up. Roasty toasty and that's just  with smartwool merino liners, thinnest socks as even with a size up a snug fit. Could almost say a cycling version of a hillwalking boot a boot for the crap days. If I decide to buy again it will be the wide fitting as I can't wear woolly boolies  as they are a thicker wool mix.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: aidan.f on 29 November, 2021, 12:49:42 pm
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I have some Northwave boots.  They are fine for short rides but anything over 50km and I get very bad hotfoot. I don't get hotfoot in my normal mtb shoes.
My North Waves are comfy enough but get a bit sweaty  after 8-10 hours - despite the 'Goretex'
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: L CC on 29 November, 2021, 03:07:21 pm
Two years later, could do with some of the promised reviews!

Just been out for a walk and my feet were wet through in minutes, so considering something weatherproof and warm for the bike.  I normally ride in flats, so thought five ten trailcross goretex, but would they be warm enough.  Other options are shimano or ragnarock I would guess.  But could do with current thoughts based on the last two years’ worth of experience.
I ride my MTB in flats and am wearing hiking boots for winter. I do a sh1tload of hike-a-bike though so it makes sense.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pedaldog. on 29 November, 2021, 08:44:28 pm
I need "The best of all Worlds" for SPD winter boots.
SPD is a MUST, on the Trice I've had Leg Suck and it scared me!  I need something that looks like a pretty Normal Boot so that I can wear it anywhere and walk in them.  The Shimano Summatoruvver 90's look Hideous!  The Northwave MX3 don't mention SPD fitting, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: andrew_s on 29 November, 2021, 09:51:17 pm
I need "The best of all Worlds" for SPD winter boots.
The Northwave MX3 don't mention SPD fitting, am I missing something?
Probably searching for the wrong thing.

The winter SPD boots are the Northwave Celsius (https://sprockets.uk.com/lake-mxz303-winter-mtb-boot/), or the Lake MXZ303 (https://sprockets.uk.com/lake-mxz303-winter-mtb-boot/).

My cold weather boots are the previous version of the MXZ303, not that it's cold enough to bring them out very often, now I've got my feet trained up in cold resistance.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Karla on 29 November, 2021, 10:49:49 pm
The Lake MXZ200 (https://www.lakecycling.com/products/mxz-200) look nice - basically like a normal pair of leather boots but with cleat fittings.

Also the Giro Alpineduro (https://bikepacking.com/gear/giro-alpineduro-review/), which looks even more normal.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pickled Onion on 05 December, 2021, 04:24:26 pm
My trusty MT91s are finally falling apart and need replacing. The new version - XM900 - has a stretchy thing at the ankle to help with the issue of water running down your legs and filling the boots, though from the pictures it doesn't look very robust. From the reviews it seems they've changed the sizing which is a pain: "These boots are true to size, order them in your usual Euro shoe size, still plenty of room for winter socks." I had to go up many sizes from my normal boot size to get MT91s that fit with boot socks, and was hoping that now I know my Shimano-size I could just order the same again... are there any real-life shops that stock these things to save the rigmarole of delivery-return?

The Lake MXZ200 Karla mentioned look like they are the same sort of thing, does anyone here have a pair? There are no reviews on that site.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pickled Onion on 05 December, 2021, 04:32:46 pm
Also the Giro Alpineduro (https://bikepacking.com/gear/giro-alpineduro-review/), which looks even more normal.

They look good, apart from the very low back. I don't have narrow feet but suffer heel slipping in a lot of boots which is a killer if using them for actual walking.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 05 December, 2021, 05:08:36 pm
The Lake MXZ200 (https://www.lakecycling.com/products/mxz-200) look nice - basically like a normal pair of leather boots but with cleat fittings.

Also the Giro Alpineduro (https://bikepacking.com/gear/giro-alpineduro-review/), which looks even more normal.

Looks like a walking boot, even has a Vibram sole.  Makes me wonder if you could take an existing walking boot with a Vibram sole and take it to a Vibram approved cobbler and get the cycling sole put on. Make for a great winter boot.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: aidan.f on 06 December, 2021, 11:48:05 am
Somewhere back in the mist of three pages of posts fBoab IIRC sed that a pair of BMX pedals and walking boot of your choice is a very good solution, unless you think you need cleats to pedal far or fast*.

*YMMV!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Kim on 06 December, 2021, 01:50:11 pm
Somewhere back in the mist of three pages of posts fBoab IIRC sed that a pair of BMX pedals and walking boot of your choice is a very good solution, unless you think you need cleats to pedal far or fast*.

*YMMV!

...or not bash your shins / run over your ankles.

Before I was brave enough to try clipless pedals, I used normal walking boots with PowerGrips straps.  This works well (albeit somewhat more fiddly to engage than clipless), but they eventually wore a hole in the upper of my long-suffering boots.  If you don't mind riding without foot retention (which, if there isn't a recumbent involved, probably depends on your cadence habits), then boots and a decent set of BMX pedals is a perfectly reasonable solution.

I've since discovered MT91 boots, which seem to be the best of both worlds in terms of cleats and soles you can walk in.  While they're admirably waterproof, they're not especially insulated.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Andy W on 10 December, 2021, 05:15:37 pm
I’m currently using Northwave Arctic MTB winter boots. They seem to keep my feet warmer than my Shimano winter Mtb boots. They’re a size 48 and wide and a roomy fit for my size 12.5 UK feet. Note: Although I’ve positioned the spd cleats so my feet are away from the cranks, after 2000 miles of wearing them over two winters I’ve managed to wear fairly deep scuff marks especially on the drive side crank arm. I summise it is the bulkiness of the boot. Rather that than cold feet
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fd3 on 15 December, 2021, 12:11:29 am
Had high hopes of xero xcursions as a walking shoe that would work on bike, but they have all the downsides of a rigid bike shoe with none of the benefits.  Currently thinking that I might as well stump up for a winter cycling shoe (that I could use, say, with the trike when not commuting) even though it will mean swapping shoes when I get to work.
How much faff are these boa things?  Back in my day velcro was a novelty replacing laces.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 15 December, 2021, 02:44:22 pm
I have one pair of cycling shoes with boa fastening. It works but I think the only advantage it offers over laces is the lack of ends to flap around. In other ways I'd say it's actually inferior. It can be a bit difficult to loosen, for example. And the ratchet on one of mine failed on about its third use. Simply cracked inside and came to pieces. Replaced under guarantee obviously, and has been fine for a couple of years since, but I wouldn't choose the system again if I had the option. However, I haven't heard of other people's breaking in this way, so maybe I was just unlucky.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: L CC on 16 December, 2021, 08:43:18 am
You can get replacements for the boa fittings quite easily and usually under guarantee.

When I last regularly commuted I worked at two sites, one of which I left a pair of shoes in my locker- mostly because the office dress code was quite formal and I often had supplier meetings there. At the other I just wore my cycling shoes (https://www.northwave.com/en/bike/shoes/trailall-mountain/escape-evo#/56-taglia-36/154-color-black) all day.

I've never felt the need for winter cycling boots. What do you think the advantages are for a relatively short commuting ride? Genuine question, I'm not being facetious.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 December, 2021, 09:07:02 am
I love THESE (https://www.probikekit.co.uk/sports-footwear/shimano-xm900-spd-cycling-shoes-grey/11241529.html).  I've had mine a while and they are well worth the money in my view.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: salar55 on 16 December, 2021, 11:14:48 am
I love THESE (https://www.probikekit.co.uk/sports-footwear/shimano-xm900-spd-cycling-shoes-grey/11241529.html).  I've had mine a while and they are well worth the money in my view.

Have a pair of them, bike packing use not very waterproof. Other half has the previous version,  think it's a better boot. 😩
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Oscar's dad on 16 December, 2021, 11:27:29 am
I love THESE (https://www.probikekit.co.uk/sports-footwear/shimano-xm900-spd-cycling-shoes-grey/11241529.html).  I've had mine a while and they are well worth the money in my view.

Have a pair of them, bike packing use not very waterproof. Other half has the previous version,  think it's a better boot. 😩

Can't remember I got mine, 4ish years ago maybe.  I have not had water ingress problems.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: fd3 on 16 December, 2021, 06:40:05 pm
I've never felt the need for winter cycling boots. What do you think the advantages are for a relatively short commuting ride? Genuine question, I'm not being facetious.
My current shoes take on water and are not warm enough for day to day walking use, so I reckon my cycling shoes need to do better for winter.  My last cycling specific shoes were lovely in summer with their vents, but not something I would wear in winter.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Karla on 16 December, 2021, 07:13:04 pm
Merlin currently have about 40% off pretty much all Northwave boots, and seemingly lots of stock.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Lightning Phil on 16 December, 2021, 08:44:02 pm
My winter boots are now 18 years old, having got them winter 2003/4. Old enough to drink I suppose.  I ummd and ahhhd at the time at the price. I think I’ve got my moneys worth.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: chopstick on 07 January, 2022, 05:40:17 pm
. . . The Lake MXZ200 Karla mentioned look like they are the same sort of thing, does anyone here have a pair? There are no reviews on that site.
I have a pair and really like them.  I find that I don't wear them as much as I thought I might on account of the weather rarely getting too cold for my cycling shoes but I do like to wear them when I expect to be off the bike at times and not always on nice clean pavements or roads.  I've also worn them for winter pub rides - imho, they don't look out of place in a pub.

Very comfy on or off the bike, they've never let water in but they do come a bit on the small side - I measured my foot as per instructions on the website before ordering but they're still not big enough to wear my regular boot socks with them - I should have gone up a size.  Saying that, they fit ok with my 1000 Mile Combat socks (but not my 1000 Mile Fusion socks) and I've never suffered cold feet in them.  The fit is good with my Aldi cycling socks too.
EDIT: I bought mine from Salt Dog Cycling but in my review there, I got the name of the sock wrong, oops!
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Duckfoot1606 on 11 January, 2022, 08:16:18 am
I took the plunge and bought a pair of Northwave Celsius GTX winter boots in the Merlin cycles sale, my Christmas present to me. Bought a size larger than my normal shoes and went out this morning in wet weather to debut them. What a revelation, feet dry and warm after a wet ride for the first time ever. They are a bit of a challenge to get on and feel very different to my normal shoes, so much so that I was slightly concerned they were too small but on the bike they are fine.

A
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 20 October, 2023, 09:51:59 pm
It's that time of year - Thread revival
I have totally worn out my second pair of Shimano winter boots, after years of hard use, so I need to buy new boots.

I need a wide and high toe-box due to increasingly arthritic toes.
They need to be waterproof and well insulated as I have Reynaulds which causes my feet to get very cold very quickly and they do not heat up again even when I exercise hard.
Good grip for walking in mud/snow/ice, but hopefully not too much!
For use with SPD cleats.
Not too worried if they are fairly heavy.
I actually wear them most of the year, not just in winter.

What's in the market and what do folks recommend?
Thanks.


Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: vorsprung on 21 October, 2023, 01:31:21 pm
See my recent thread on my old Sidi boots https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=126939.msg2841327#msg2841327

Got some replacement Sidi Frost Gore 2 MTB Shoes

https://www.sidi.com/en/mtb/142-scarpe-mtb-frost-gore-2.html

Only had them a month seem good so far
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: rafletcher on 22 October, 2023, 04:39:49 pm
Lake do some. I have these…


https://www.saltdogcycling.com/lake-mxz304-winter-cycling-boots/?sku=3018661&cmp_id=19166187247&adg_id=&kwd=&device=t&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI19SBs_6JggMVgv_tCh1XDgF-EAQYAiABEgLa5_D_BwE

But there are other variants.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 October, 2023, 05:15:16 pm
My trusty MT91s are finally falling apart and need replacing. The new version - XM900 - has a stretchy thing at the ankle to help with the issue of water running down your legs and filling the boots, though from the pictures it doesn't look very robust. From the reviews it seems they've changed the sizing which is a pain: "These boots are true to size, order them in your usual Euro shoe size, still plenty of room for winter socks." I had to go up many sizes from my normal boot size to get MT91s that fit with boot socks, and was hoping that now I know my Shimano-size I could just order the same again... are there any real-life shops that stock these things to save the rigmarole of delivery-return?

The Lake MXZ200 Karla mentioned look like they are the same sort of thing, does anyone here have a pair? There are no reviews on that site.

Answering my own question here, but I managed to get a couple more years out of the MT91s and replaced them a few weeks ago.

It turns out the ankle thingy is not stretchy, it's actually pretty sturdy. It looks like these will be slightly better in a downpour than the old version. Other than the higher ankle they are very similar to the old ones with a bit more toecap.

The old ones lasted over ten years with daily use and a great many tours, several sets of cleats and laces the kicking straps only broke in the last year. Very comfortable both cycling and walking. But they are not insulated - I use socks for that so I can vary the insulation by season.

Oh and I never found an answer to the size question and had to order several and return: they are larger than the previous ones by exactly one size (new 44 matches old 45).
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mike on 24 October, 2023, 10:49:24 am
It's that time of year - Thread revival
I have totally worn out my second pair of Shimano winter boots, after years of hard use, so I need to buy new boots.

I need a wide and high toe-box due to increasingly arthritic toes.
They need to be waterproof and well insulated as I have Reynaulds which causes my feet to get very cold very quickly and they do not heat up again even when I exercise hard.
Good grip for walking in mud/snow/ice, but hopefully not too much!
For use with SPD cleats.
Not too worried if they are fairly heavy.
I actually wear them most of the year, not just in winter.

What's in the market and what do folks recommend?
Thanks.




Lake.  I bought a pair that look very similar to https://www.saltdogcycling.com/lake-mx146-wide-fit-winter-cycling-boots/ about 15 years ago and they're fantastic.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 24 October, 2023, 09:16:04 pm
Thanks folks. Pleased to hear Lake still being recommended - I'll check out their wide fittings.
Karen
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 24 October, 2023, 09:37:08 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 25 October, 2023, 09:51:17 pm
Another question about Lake winter boots.
Did you go through the foot measuring process shown on the website, or did you just rely on your usual size + 1 or 2 for thick socks? I don't think there is much chance of trying any on around here. Normally when shopping online, I would order 2 sizes and send back any that didn't fit, but in this case, that would leave a big hole in the bank account until I got the refund!
Thanks

Ely Dave - would you care to expand on that comment?
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: freeflow on 26 October, 2023, 04:59:11 am
I have Northwave boots but find that it's better with normal shoes and decent pairs of socks and overshoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: mike on 26 October, 2023, 10:21:55 am
I went for the same size as my hiking boots & running shoes, so a size bigger than my 'smart' leather shoes.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: chopstick on 26 October, 2023, 09:36:35 pm
Another question about Lake winter boots.
Did you go through the foot measuring process shown on the website, or did you just rely on your usual size + 1 or 2 for thick socks? I don't think there is much chance of trying any on around here. Normally when shopping online, I would order 2 sizes and send back any that didn't fit, but in this case, that would leave a big hole in the bank account until I got the refund!
Thanks

Ely Dave - would you care to expand on that comment?
I went through the website foot measuring process and ended up with a  pair that I can wear with thin socks but not with thick socks.  Please note that my usual outdoor footwear is worn with thick socks (double layer walking socks).  My Lake boots can be worn comfortably with my years-old Aldi cycling socks, any "dress shoe" sock that I have and also my 1000 Mile "Combat" (double layer) socks but not my regular walking shoe/boot socks (including 1000 Mile Fusion socks and Trespass Mens Hitched Hiking Socks) - they're a bit too tight.  Saying that, my feet are perfectly warm and comfortable in the Lake boots with the thin socks.  I've just come back today from a two-night camping trip that was very wet and muddy (the riverside campsite was flooded last week but I managed to get a pitch on a patch that escaped the flood) - and I was most grateful for the Lake boots.  From experience, any warmer and they would have got a bit "moist" but with night-time temperatures of 8°C to 12°C, I was just inside comfort zone (would have been too toasty if the temps any warmer).  If you want to wear thick socks, definitely go a size or two up.  If you follow the guide, you will be limited to thin socks.

I would like to take this opportunity to (yet again) endorse the Lake MXZ200 - they really are a capable boot on and off the bike.

I told you it was muddy:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53288280759_7411e36826_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 26 October, 2023, 09:44:35 pm
Thanks Mike, useful to know.

Freeflow - I do quite a lot of Mountain Bike Orienteering. I'm not a particularly strong or technically skilled rider, which means I'm off the bike plodging through mud or undergrowth rather a lot. So I find boots are more suitable for that.
But thanks for your comments.

Chopstick - also thanks for your reply. I will need to go up at least one size as I like thick woolyboolie socks.
And that is what my boots look like after most events. Last time I fell off was because my cleats were so clogged up I couldn't get out of the pedals in time!

Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: chopstick on 27 October, 2023, 02:57:15 pm
Chopstick - also thanks for your reply. I will need to go up at least one size as I like thick woolyboolie socks.
And that is what my boots look like after most events. Last time I fell off was because my cleats were so clogged up I couldn't get out of the pedals in time!
That was just walking from the tent to the toilet block and back  ;D
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 30 October, 2023, 06:44:54 pm
Another question about Lake winter boots.
Did you go through the foot measuring process shown on the website, or did you just rely on your usual size + 1 or 2 for thick socks? I don't think there is much chance of trying any on around here. Normally when shopping online, I would order 2 sizes and send back any that didn't fit, but in this case, that would leave a big hole in the bank account until I got the refund!
Thanks

Ely Dave - would you care to expand on that comment?

Louis Garneau, size 44 vs my usual 42.  Generally worn with one pair of thick Injinji toe socks, or a pair of silk liner socks with a midweight merino sock over that.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 28 November, 2023, 09:44:26 pm
no longer in the UK it seems, so I've been looking at the Shimano MW7, Northwave Himalaya, and Lake MX146.  The Northwaves seem unobtanium at the moment in useful sizing
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 29 November, 2023, 11:34:11 am
Update, with thanks to all who have contributed.

Lake boots - only seem to be available from Saltdog since the UK importers/distributors went bust.
I tried both types of winter boots (on carpet), but they were just too stiff and clumpy, and chafed at my ankles.
Considering I need them for winter on and off-road and that often includes hike-a-bike, they went back.

Northwave - I was warned they tended to be a bit narrow, so ruled them out.

Shimano - found out they did the MW7 boots in wide fitting as well as standard.
Great. Except they will not sell them in the UK.
e-mail exchanges with Freewheel and Madison (importers) were apologetic but say they do not understand why shimano do this...
So eventually I ordered MW7(MW702) from Singletrack bikes in Kirkcaldy.
My "normal" shoe size is about 39/40. Sizes for boots on shimano website indicated I needed 41, but my very old shimano boots are size 42 and now too small (arthritic toes). So I ordered both sizes 41 and 42.
41 is the best fit I think I will get to include woolie boolie socks and still be able to wiggle my toes. The 42s will be returned.
It is a compromise as the 41s are a bit loose at the heels. This is precisely the problem the wide fitting last was designed to solve - ie rest of boot normal, just wider and higher toe-box. Great if you live in the EU.
First time I have used BOA fastening - so easy to use and because my foot is securely fastened in, it reduces the loose heel problem.
So far only been up and down the road to check cleat positioning etc, but I think they will suit.
They are a lot more robust and warm than my old shimano boots.

Sorry it's a long post, but I was grateful for the chance to read the opinions of others who have posted on YACF.

Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 29 November, 2023, 12:49:32 pm
Lake - also available from Winstanleys Bikes and Sigma Sports, though not all models or sizes.

I don't like the idea of the Northwave Celsius range which look like a shoe with a cuff, and the boa on the outside, I also find their shoes to be narrow.  I want a boot, so I'm only interested in the Himalaya which is a true winter boot, big toebox, and has a different fastening.  Just not available in 43/44. This may be a bit of overkill for UK winters.

Let's see what happens with the Shimano, I have the same issue with wideness and went up two sizes.  Incidentally back when I wore road shoes/cleats I had a pair of XXX-W from shimano, bought in the UK.
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: ElyDave on 30 November, 2023, 02:28:35 pm
Lake's arrived today, MX146. Definitely good to go for the 44 vs normal shoe size of 42.

Shimano's not available until mid December
Northwave Himalaya seem to have disappeared

Trying the Lake's on in my office (unheated, uninsulated, single brick wall ex-garage), my feet feel immediately warmer than with the extra pair of socks I normally wear.  Question is should I take the punt and just try them on Saturday's 100km audax?
Title: Re: Any strong opinions on MTB winter boots?
Post by: Flite on 07 January, 2024, 09:59:33 am
Time for an update following my moan about the unavailability of wide-fit Shimano boots in the UK:

A positive outcome is that I ordered two pairs of the standard fit MW7 from Singletrack Bikes in Scotland and kept the pair that fitted best.
They are a little loose around the heel, as expected, but I can compensate for that, otherwise they are absolutely great.
The boa fastening means they slip on and off so easily - most boots/shoes cause terrible cramp in my feet. But they still do up nice and snug while not putting pressure on my toes.
The boa and tongue are completely covered by the waterproof flap which is continuous with a decently high but comfortable cuff. As with most things, the velcro will probably be the first part to wear out.
They keep my feet warm in temperatures well below zero with just one pair of wooly boolie socks (room for a second pair as well when needed)
I also did an MBO event in torrential rain, and my feet were dry till I had to wade through a flood too deep to risk riding through even though I knew the water would overtop the boots. I rode on for about an hour and a half with wet feet, but they were still warm!
They will cope with the weather conditions I need them for, but are still comfortable to wear.

The return for refund on the second pair also went smoothly - I’m pleased with the service from Singletrack Bikes.