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Title: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 20 August, 2015, 02:46:55 pm
.. a beach, and the riders aren't happy.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espaa-riders-question-conditions-of-dirt-bike-path-team-time-trial-course/

Are they serious? it seems like a joke, any team after the first will be seriously hampered when the dirt path cuts up.


Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 August, 2015, 03:21:02 pm
The TdF, as any fule kno, hav cobblestones
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Nuncio on 20 August, 2015, 08:14:51 pm
Yes, but it's 'only' the Vuelta. If it mattered, why is this a surprise? Imagine the TdF TTT route only being checked out by the teams 2 days before it were ridden.

PS - I've loved watching the Vuelta over the past 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 20 August, 2015, 10:12:56 pm
I'd love to think this is a deliberate attempt to enliven the stage by testing riders in a variety of conditions (though it seems odd to choose a team time trial for that) but sadly I expect it is simply a cock up.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Si_Co on 21 August, 2015, 01:51:58 pm
TTT now neutralised for GC. Just a race for the stage now so the big guns will be cruising.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: trekker12 on 21 August, 2015, 02:55:13 pm
Seems strange the UCI or teams don't seem to approve a route until the day or two before turning up. It seems particularly common on the Vuelta. I seem to recall the Madrid city centre final stage being neutralised some years ago because the riders weren't happy with the narrow roads being used.

For anyone going out of their way to watch it will be a disappointment watching the best riders in the world sitting up and cruising past. I could imagine the uproar if Chelsea V Man Utd was reduced to them knocking the ball gently to each other
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 21 August, 2015, 03:18:15 pm
Does seem daft.

I stayed recently at Vejer de la Frontera, and they'll finish there on Tuesday. All I can say is, after racing all day, the last thing I'd be looking forward to is a hilltop finish. Couple of the roads leading in to town are devilishly steep. There's one in particular that, if they were to take, would have me walking not long after the initial rise. It's a real stinker. My guess is they'll the less steep one, because there's a convenient car park area to house all the necessary TV/radio stuff, etc.

The stinker of a hill (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@36.2589262,-5.9615847,3a,90y,270.19h,77.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVDUNNhvcMFZzYRffvm7Evw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)
It says '10%', but that's bollocks.

The less stinky hill (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@36.2534912,-5.9806946,3a,75y,28.56h,82.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3w33PzKqep_gwgH3_tkyTg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and this one will allow final attacks to be made.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 22 August, 2015, 01:06:20 pm
I guess good they've neutralised the stage but it differs make one wonder about common sense of ride organisers. That finish is gonna be difficult. I remember trying to cycle a bit of Bexhill's promenade a few years ago (one of the cycle-friendly bits) and it was next to impossible with even a few mm of sand. Admittedly we were on folding bikes not proper racing bikes, but…
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Dibdib on 23 August, 2015, 07:54:44 pm
Well there's one thing it doesn't have...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: αdαmsκι on 23 August, 2015, 08:23:10 pm
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/635526890527289344

The video of, what inrng have called a "taxi ride" is here: http://as.com/videos/2015/08/23/portada/1440352301_273355.html
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 23 August, 2015, 08:31:37 pm
Yup, naughty nibbles nobbled for nabbing a nudge from the team car.. There is a sticky bottle, and there is a sticky jet rocket. That one was really taking the piss.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Tewdric on 23 August, 2015, 09:13:30 pm
Yup, nibbles nobbled for nabbing a nudge from the team car.. There is a sticky bottle, and there is a sticky jet rocket. That one was really taking the piss.

A bit of a clue as to the nature of Nibbles and his team.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mcshroom on 23 August, 2015, 10:06:16 pm
Ooh, I saw it mentioned on the highlights show but they didn't have the decision then.

Nice to have cycling back on ITV4. Not so good having the silly Wasabi ad back though
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 23 August, 2015, 11:05:38 pm
Nibali being a sneaky f*cker? Surely not!
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: toontra on 24 August, 2015, 12:17:40 am
You'd think he'd have learnt from the TdF incident (which established he's a lying git) that those noisy things hovering overhead have cameras in them!

Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Nuncio on 24 August, 2015, 07:13:43 am
Chaves has a winning smile, doesn't he.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: rafletcher on 24 August, 2015, 09:25:41 am
Chaves has a winning smile, doesn't he.

Indeed, what a great sight to seem someone so transparently pleased at their victory. Plus the mixture of Colombian Spanish accented English and the Aussie "mate"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 24 August, 2015, 09:51:14 am
You'd think he'd have learnt from the TdF incident (which established he's a lying git) that those noisy things hovering overhead have cameras in them!



Yebbut they won't be following a lone rider off the back, will they? Yes they will if he is an overall contender..
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 24 August, 2015, 12:03:22 pm
Hasn't Chaves got a lovely smile!! He was so pleased to win. Obvs.  ;D
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 24 August, 2015, 01:54:21 pm
You'd think he'd have learnt from the TdF incident (which established he's a lying git) that those noisy things hovering overhead have cameras in them!

Quite.

And yet he's complaining that being prevented from finishing the race is too severe a punishment?!

I'm really beginning to not like this guy very much.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/vuelta-a-espana/vincenzo-nibali-my-punishment-was-too-severe-this-happens-in-every-race-188113
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: citoyen on 24 August, 2015, 06:28:01 pm
As Inrng rightly pointed out, there's a difference between getting a quick tow to help you catch up with the peloton after a crash (to which a blind eye is usually turned) and using motorised assistance to drop a large group of other riders.

Nibali is a twerp.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 24 August, 2015, 09:13:28 pm
https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/635540632753336320

His Strava ride got flagged, apparently ;D
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Legs on 25 August, 2015, 09:13:28 am
I love it how he points out that Froome did the same thing in the Giro a few years back (and you can imagine the mumbling over the "anda, si, 'e gotta disqualificazione for eeta...")

Numpty.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Si_Co on 25 August, 2015, 09:44:38 am
Yup, naughty nibbles nobbled for nabbing a nudge from the team car.. There is a sticky bottle, and there is a sticky jet rocket. That one was really taking the piss.

Somewhat akin to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EftXTnM2AQ

To be honest its about time the UCI got a bit serious about this and magic spanners, the penalties seem to be too variable and its only a problem when it can't be hidden....UCI in ostrich mode again.

Its not like he held the car to avoid the time cut, re-joined the gruppetto, bridged to the peleton and then won the sprint, allegedly.  :demon:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 25 August, 2015, 01:00:25 pm
My favourite:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNHVCsqUkAAqriZ.jpg)
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: clarion on 25 August, 2015, 02:06:55 pm
It's getting silly.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Katie on 25 August, 2015, 02:14:22 pm
It's professional bike racing. It's been silly for decades.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 25 August, 2015, 03:40:54 pm
Vejer de la Frontera finish. Well, I got it wrong . . . they're gonna go up the narrow twisty-turny-bugger of a hill. It won't allow much attacking, and then it'll be a hell-for-leather finish!! Can't wait for the highlights tonight!
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 25 August, 2015, 08:25:56 pm
My favourite:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNHVCsqUkAAqriZ.jpg)
Gotta admire the power of those riders to push the cars like that.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 26 August, 2015, 08:31:09 am
Naughty chaps.

There was no ITV4 on last night (or NOT on our telly!) so I don't suppose anyone knows if a video/highlights exist elsewhere that can be accessed by computer? This is the one I was really really interested in watching because of our Vejer connection!! Typical isn't it!!!!!
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: αdαmsκι on 26 August, 2015, 08:37:49 am
Last night ITV4 wasn't working on our TV. A rescan got it working, but by the time I'd managed to figure out that manoeuvre I'd missed the first 15 minutes of the programme.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Si_Co on 26 August, 2015, 08:39:36 am
Naughty chaps.

There was no ITV4 on last night (or NOT on our telly!) so I don't suppose anyone knows if a video/highlights exist elsewhere that can be accessed by computer? This is the one I was really really interested in watching because of our Vejer connection!! Typical isn't it!!!!!

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/cycling-la-vuelta-a-espana/series-6/episode-4

Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 26 August, 2015, 08:50:15 am
Cheers Slim. Also found this:

http://www.steephill.tv/vuelta-a-espana/

You have to scroll down to:
17 Km of Stage 4 (24:34 English) — eurosport

You cannot believe how steep that hill they took is (and the heat too), nor how steep another section is, where they're out the saddle. Would have been so exciting to have seen it live.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: rafletcher on 26 August, 2015, 10:02:44 am
Last night ITV4 wasn't working on our TV. A rescan got it working, but by the time I'd managed to figure out that manoeuvre I'd missed the first 15 minutes of the programme.

Ah - need to check that when I get home tonight - I tried to set it for the late night highlights but if they've moved the bloody channel I'll need to rescan (and spend ages resetting all my recording series links!) Oh, and deleting all the soft porn and shopping channels too  >:(.

ITV4 will move to the same frequency as the main standard definition ITV service, meaning it will become available in those areas that only have access to a limited line-up of Freeview channels, giving ITV4 a coverage boost to reach around 98.5% of households in the UK.




"When do the changes take place?

According to ITV, the change is due to happen around midday, Tuesday 25th August.

What do Freeview users need to do?

•Freeview viewers who already receive ITV4 will need to retune in order to continue receiving ITV4. If you have recordings set up, you will need to re-programme them for the "new" ITV4.
•Freeview viewers who don't have ITV4 will need to retune in order to add ITV4 to their channel list. ITV4 will appear on channel 24.
(A small number of Freeview receivers may automatically make the changes. The changes also affect YouView users.)"
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mcshroom on 26 August, 2015, 10:15:48 am
Which means I can get ITV4 on Freeview again. :)

It got shuffled off our repeater mast in 2009 when they added Channel 5 and some HD channels (why you need to use up limited bandwidth brodcasting a station in SD & HD, when other SD channels don't fit I don't know).
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: rafletcher on 26 August, 2015, 11:08:09 am
I guess I'll have to brave ITV player this evening to see last nights coverage.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Nuncio on 28 August, 2015, 07:53:34 am
Fun fact: Esteban Chaves is older than Nairo Quintana (despite looking about 30 years younger).
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 28 August, 2015, 08:51:22 am
But Quintana isn't liekly to be drawing his pension any time soon..They are both eligible for the young rider category.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: rafletcher on 28 August, 2015, 11:15:36 am
Disc brakes...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/irizar-debuts-disc-brakes-in-vuelta-a-espana-peloton/
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: toontra on 28 August, 2015, 07:57:26 pm
So Millar says with 8k to go that the breakaway don't have a chance - "100% not the slightest hope, believe me".  I'm finding his overly-detailed insider-style analysis of the race slightly irritating.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: spesh on 30 August, 2015, 11:47:34 am
I think the operative word for yesterday's stage is 'carnage'...  :o

Lotto-Soudal rider Kris Boeckmans is in a medically induced coma after sustaining serious injuries in a crash - he was apparently taking a drink from his bidon when he hit a hole in the road and crashed hard.

Boeckmans' crash set off a chain-reaction that also involved Tejay van Garderen, Daniel Martin and Nacer Bouhanni, all of whom abandoned the race. Jasper Stuyven, who was also caught up in the crash, went on to win the stage, but it turns out that he sustained a fractured left scaphoid in the crash, and has had to abandon as well. Race leader Esteban Chaves was caught up in the crash, but his injuries were superficial.

And to put the tin lid on it all, Peter Sagan was taken out by a neutral service motorbike, suffered some spectacular road rash/friction burns and to add insult to injury, was fined 300 Swiss Francs because his (quite understandable) sense of humour failure was deemed to be "behaviour that damages the image of cycling". Sagan has also abandoned.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 01 September, 2015, 06:56:36 am
So Millar says with 8k to go that the breakaway don't have a chance - "100% not the slightest hope, believe me".  I'm finding his overly-detailed insider-style analysis of the race slightly irritating.
That's a shame, I really like it. Nice to have a genuinely expert expert for once! (and he can actually speak clear Engllish). time will tell - by next year we might have heard the same insights over and over.

He's probably having to do too much as Ned (who I love) isnt a natural commentator. Maybe he'll grow into it, you never know. But overall they are one of the best commentary teams on telly in 2015.
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the whole tour has been pretty carnage-packed. Certainly enjoyable to watch (if not ride!).

I feel really sorry for Sagan. I do wonder if his injuries werent the reason for 'abandon' - he was just too pissed, it took his heart out of the race. (he had to be favourite to win that stage).

Its almost surprising there arent more moto crashes. The camera bikes are a key part of the race - we wouldnt watch it without them, then no sponsors, no riders' salaries ...
So its not right to call them "unnecessary" crashes, but if a rider error takes down 20 others, forcing 3 out of the race, it's "just racing".
/heresy
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 01 September, 2015, 10:42:12 am
It isn't *necessary* to have a camera moto (or support moto) in such close proximity. They always have the option of dropping back etc.
Their prime directive is 'first do no harm'. I think we are starting to see more and closer TV, and a new generation of moto pilots who do not have the experience (and directors pushing for ever closer footage) leading to more incidents.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Karla on 01 September, 2015, 12:16:50 pm
So after most of my fantasy team crashed out in the Tour, this time I picked Peter Sagan and Tejay Van Garderen as two of my main contenders  :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Peter on 02 September, 2015, 09:23:20 pm
And Sky picked Froome.

He looked in a very bad way after the stage.  I wonder if it's a hip injury.  I further wonder if he keeps coming off (and he seems to be more error-prone than most elite riders) is because he spends so little time looking where he is going?
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 02 September, 2015, 09:27:00 pm
 I don't think he is more error prone, and today was unlucky. Looked like a crocked knee.

Dodgems with the motors again. Looks like the TVE director has dictated wide angles and getting close to the cameramen and they were far too close. Is the demand for live pictures putting riders at greater risk.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 September, 2015, 09:31:45 pm
He does fall off a lot and was particularly known for it as a neo-pro.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Peter on 02 September, 2015, 09:59:34 pm
Dave, I know it gets joked about a lot but have you any idea what he is doing when he keeps looking down?  Is it a wattage read out or just a Paula Radcliffe-type thing?  Whatever it is, it must be a bad thing to be coninually taking your eye "off the ball" like that.  OK, so he has won  the TdeF a couple of times, but, Hell, most people have done that.....

He's a fascinating and very talented rider but elegant he ain't.  Bit of an enigma.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Dibdib on 02 September, 2015, 11:28:56 pm
My hunch is that his frooming is a wattage readout but I don't think he's particularly worse at staying upright than the rest of the peloton. I haven't seen today's stage but the last few Grand Tours have been noticeable for crashes and incidents and he's had plenty of company in the medical bay.

Definitely agree on the lack of elegance though. Effective for sure but he looks like a spider pushing s shopping trolley.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: andyoxon on 03 September, 2015, 07:53:44 am
Hope things are looking better for Kris Boeckmans soon.   
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 03 September, 2015, 09:42:14 am
Looked like they were going through hell yesterday. ITV4 seems to have re-appeared back on our TV (channel 801), so able to watch the highlights. Wouldn't it be nice to attempt (some) of those roads, and WITHOUT traffic too.

Wonder how Froome managed to crash?
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Dibdib on 03 September, 2015, 09:55:37 am
Wonder how Froome managed to crash?

Knocked sideways into the roadside barriers, according to his twitter.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 03 September, 2015, 10:13:12 am
It isn't *necessary* to have a camera moto (or support moto) in such close proximity. They always have the option of dropping back etc.
Their prime directive is 'first do no harm'. I think we are starting to see more and closer TV, and a new generation of moto pilots who do not have the experience (and directors pushing for ever closer footage) leading to more incidents.
Yet (as you well know!) riders will crash without any cameras or motorbikes (e.g. closed circuits).

Surely the riders have an equally prime directive of "finish the stage/race" - yet many fail in this through their own fault (or that of other riders). They also always have the option of dropping back.

Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 03 September, 2015, 10:15:59 am
Dave, I know it gets joked about a lot but have you any idea what he is doing when he keeps looking down?  Is it a wattage read out or just a Paula Radcliffe-type thing?  Whatever it is, it must be a bad thing to be coninually taking your eye "off the ball" like that.

If you hunt around you should find the relevant interviews; Froome has said that he is just more comfortable with his head down. There may be old footage out there of Froome riding before he could afford a power-meter!

(Noone seems to have investigated whether he has an underlying spinal/health condition, or similar).
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: fuzzy on 03 September, 2015, 10:17:06 am
It isn't *necessary* to have a camera moto (or support moto) in such close proximity. They always have the option of dropping back etc.
Their prime directive is 'first do no harm'. I think we are starting to see more and closer TV, and a new generation of moto pilots who do not have the experience (and directors pushing for ever closer footage) leading to more incidents.
Yet (as you well know!) riders will crash without any cameras or motorbikes (e.g. closed circuits).

Surely the riders have an equally prime directive of "finish the stage/race" - yet many fail in this through their own fault (or that of other riders). They also always have the option of dropping back.

Racers dropping back shouldn't be the solution though. The race is about, well, racers racing y'know? Camera dudes on camera bikes are there to capture the grace (or otherwise), beauty (or otherwise) and excitement (or total boredom) of the race in question. They should be doing it without affecting the racers. A camera biker and camera dude should work on the same principal as doctors- 'first, do no harm.....'
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: David Martin on 03 September, 2015, 10:56:33 am
Wot fuzzy said...
There seems to be a directive to use wide angle shots on the motor as these give a more dramatic image but do mean you have to be closer.

Race Director should put an exclusion zone of 10m in front and 5m behind any rider unless the moto is rendering direct authorised assistance.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: rafletcher on 03 September, 2015, 11:17:45 am
Froome out....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-out-of-the-vuelta-a-espana-after-checks-reveal-a-fracture-in-his-foot/
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Nuncio on 03 September, 2015, 11:42:04 am
Oleg Tinkof has apologized to Chris Froome for saying he rode 'like a girl' yesterday. As far as I know, he hasn't apologized to girls yet.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Dibdib on 03 September, 2015, 12:13:10 pm
Oleg Tinkof has apologized to Chris Froome for saying he rode 'like a girl' yesterday. As far as I know, he hasn't apologized to girls yet.

I thought he doubled down and pontificated that girls shouldn't race at all?
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 03 September, 2015, 12:30:02 pm
It isn't *necessary* to have a camera moto (or support moto) in such close proximity. They always have the option of dropping back etc.
Their prime directive is 'first do no harm'. I think we are starting to see more and closer TV, and a new generation of moto pilots who do not have the experience (and directors pushing for ever closer footage) leading to more incidents.
Yet (as you well know!) riders will crash without any cameras or motorbikes (e.g. closed circuits).

Surely the riders have an equally prime directive of "finish the stage/race" - yet many fail in this through their own fault (or that of other riders). They also always have the option of dropping back.

Racers dropping back shouldn't be the solution though.
I think you've misunderstood me: I meant that most crashes between RIDERS could be avoided by the riders dropping back i.e. not riding dangerously close to each-other.

Of course  that would totally change the nature of bunch racing. But it would be safer; in fact, it would be safer than the current setup, despite the occasional horrendous misjudgement by a moto-rider.

(I'm not saying that the motons' driving can't be improved - but its a fact that their presence is an integral part of professional televised racing. )
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: citoyen on 03 September, 2015, 01:00:37 pm
But Quintana isn't liekly to be drawing his pension any time soon..They are both eligible for the young rider category.

There isn't a young rider category at the Vuelta.

Quintana was eligible for the young rider category at the Tour by a matter of a month or so. Chaves would have been eligible by a matter of a few days had he ridden the Tour. (The cutoff date for the Tour this year was on or after 1st January 1990, Chaves was born on 17 Jan 1990, Quintana on 4 Feb 1990.)

I don't know how the Giro define young riders - I know it used to be different to the Tour but it might be the same now. Chaves was defined as a young rider at this year's Giro though.

Neither will be a young rider next season.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: fuzzy on 03 September, 2015, 01:44:28 pm
It isn't *necessary* to have a camera moto (or support moto) in such close proximity. They always have the option of dropping back etc.
Their prime directive is 'first do no harm'. I think we are starting to see more and closer TV, and a new generation of moto pilots who do not have the experience (and directors pushing for ever closer footage) leading to more incidents.
Yet (as you well know!) riders will crash without any cameras or motorbikes (e.g. closed circuits).

Surely the riders have an equally prime directive of "finish the stage/race" - yet many fail in this through their own fault (or that of other riders). They also always have the option of dropping back.

Racers dropping back shouldn't be the solution though.
I think you've misunderstood me: I meant that most crashes between RIDERS could be avoided by the riders dropping back i.e. not riding dangerously close to each-other.

Of course  that would totally change the nature of bunch racing. But it would be safer; in fact, it would be safer than the current setup, despite the occasional horrendous misjudgement by a moto-rider.

(I'm not saying that the motons' driving can't be improved - but its a fact that their presence is an integral part of professional televised racing. )

Yes, I did misunderstand- sorry.

re riders spacing themselves out more though, you have hit the nail on the head. Bunch racing involves, if not requires close wheeling in order to gain the best advantage from the slipstream etc. Riders crashing due to their proximity to each other when something happens is part of the game. Incidents initiated by motorbikes of any flavour and cars of a similar vein shouldn't occur.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Dibdib on 03 September, 2015, 02:21:56 pm
Before the TV companies get all the stick, how many of these crashes are due to TV motos rather than local press, commissaires, bidon bikes, neutral service (*cough*shimano*cough*), etc...?
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Post by: mattc on 03 September, 2015, 02:55:44 pm
Thats a good question Dibdib - I'm pretty sure that the infamous Hoogerland/barbed-wire incident was basically a VIP jolly.



favourite snippet from yesterday's monster stage: Chaves admitting to doing a recon ride .. over 2 days!  :D
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Post by: rafletcher on 03 September, 2015, 02:58:31 pm
Although I read that both the recent Astana upsets were TVE moto's.
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Post by: David Martin on 03 September, 2015, 11:42:29 pm
Although I read that both the recent Astana upsets were TVE moto's.
Astana? Tinkov-Saxo. One was a neutral service, one was TVE.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 08 September, 2015, 11:36:02 am
Never mind about all of that chaps. What about that stage finish yesterday!! How steep!? 21.67% to be precise at some point it was. I'd need all the drugs on offer to get up those hills!! Well done Frank Schhhhhleck!
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 08 September, 2015, 12:22:30 pm
I didnt know Frank was still riding, let alone in this Vuelta!

It's been a great race. Domoulin actually looks like he might pull this off.
(click to show/hide)
He's an easy chap to like. If Chavez can't win this thing, I hope Tom does!

(Can anyone get excited about TofB while this race is still going? )
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Post by: trekker12 on 08 September, 2015, 12:30:55 pm

(Can anyone get excited about TofB while this race is still going? )

In a word no! To be honest the ToB is still only a cat 2 race or whatever they call it so apart from some local interest and scenery I might recognise It's not really one I would go out of my way to watch. Mrs trekker tolerates my TV cycling obsession but one hour of highlights tends to be enough for both of us - in fact she was cheering Tom on last night up the steep bits.

A shame really, I'm supposed to follow our home race but just can't get excited about it. Not helped by the fact it finishes in Ipswich on Saturday (where we live) but we have to drive to Milton Keynes for a wedding!

Anyway, looking forward to the time trial tomorrow

Go Tom!
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Post by: Legs on 09 September, 2015, 11:44:36 am
Oleg Tinkof has apologized to Chris Froome for saying he rode 'like a girl' yesterday. As far as I know, he hasn't apologized to girls yet.

I thought he doubled down and pontificated that girls shouldn't race at all?
Has anyone ever seen Oleg Tinkov and Donald Trump in the same room together?
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Post by: spesh on 09 September, 2015, 12:08:05 pm
Oleg Tinkof has apologized to Chris Froome for saying he rode 'like a girl' yesterday. As far as I know, he hasn't apologized to girls yet.

I thought he doubled down and pontificated that girls shouldn't race at all?
Has anyone ever seen Oleg Tinkov and Donald Trump in the same room together?

No, because there is not enough room for both of their egos at the same time.  :demon:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 10 September, 2015, 09:43:40 am
It's Dumoulin Rouge!
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Post by: Karla on 10 September, 2015, 10:25:52 am
Next year's Giro has 3 TT stages.  If Dumoulin wins, you heard it here first.
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Post by: andyoxon on 10 September, 2015, 12:18:24 pm
Never mind about all of that chaps. What about that stage finish yesterday!! How steep!? 21.67% to be precise at some point it was. I'd need all the drugs on offer to get up those hills!! Well done Frank Schhhhhleck!

Just watched the highlights - really steep, that road kept getting narrower and uber steep right to the end.  Having just done Streatley Hill for the first(!) time (at an in the saddle slug-like pace, well OK, ~6mins) I felt I was relating to their pain a bit more than I usually do...
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Post by: mattc on 10 September, 2015, 01:01:04 pm
It's Dumoulin Rouge!
We need a feeble handclap smiley. This one isn't really appropriate here:  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Riggers on 10 September, 2015, 03:08:07 pm
Pah! You're secretly jealous but unable to admit it young Skywalker!
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Post by: spesh on 10 September, 2015, 03:13:51 pm
<Riggers exits stage left, doing the Can-Can>
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Post by: Riggers on 11 September, 2015, 10:44:44 am
Wasn't yesterday's scenery fantastic!?
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Post by: Little Jim on 11 September, 2015, 12:27:46 pm
We made just that comment last night, and it seems that not only has the TV coverage improved vastly over the last few years (I've only watched it since it's been on ITV) but the routes used have become a lot more scenic. I remember some non-mountain days which just seemed to be shots of cyclists riding along through parched brown countryside with very few people watching at the roadside.

Really enjoying this year's race as it is now so tight.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 11 September, 2015, 12:53:16 pm
Xackly! I hope this works. Click on link below which shows some nice footage of stage 18 from a rider's bike:

http://www.steephill.tv/vuelta-a-espana/

Then scroll down stage 18 listings for:

Bikecam: Stage 18 On Bike Highlights (02:32 Ambient Noise) — VelonCC
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: αdαmsκι on 12 September, 2015, 08:02:25 pm
Heartbreak for Tom :'(. However, it has been a brilliant race. As has been the case for the past few years the battle for the GC has been far better than the Tour de France.
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Post by: twiddler on 12 September, 2015, 08:58:42 pm
You had to feel for Tom, not only seeing it finally slip from his grasp but having to grind out the latter part of the stage with everyone just sat on him.  I don't understand quite what happened to Team Sky, it seemed that Nieve, like Dumoulin, has had absolutely no support this past week.  Did i miss something?
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Post by: mattc on 13 September, 2015, 08:33:13 am
Possibly the best stage for me was Friday's - the Top10 on GC all attacking. Everyone had something to gain from riding flat-out, and had a chance of moving up on GC.(apart from Tom ... who nevertheless had good reason to ride flat-out!)

A perfect storm. It couldnt last another day, but that's real racing - its not scripted. A cracking race overall, probably the best Vuelta I've seen (i.e. from quite recent ones ! )

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Post by: hillbilly on 13 September, 2015, 05:08:29 pm
Got to feel for Dumoulin.  Yesterday's stage was just one too far.  Great talent though.  I don't imagine it will be too long until The Netherlands get a grand tour winner.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: mattc on 13 September, 2015, 05:52:59 pm
I nearly put money on Aru about 10 days ago.

This was on the basis that of the big GC contenders, he was the only one who had skipped Le Tour.

I hadnt even considered Dumoulin  :facepalm:
And I didnt put the bet on  :facepalm:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 14 September, 2015, 09:01:43 am
In the past, The Vuelta hasn't held the same fascination as the TdF, but given the nip-and-tuck close time-gap nature of the race and keeping some mountain stages near the end, I have been enthralled, and just hope it can can continue like this. What a race!
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Post by: Rainmaker on 15 September, 2015, 08:49:33 am
For all of you out there who have been entertained by La Vuelta, to finally top it off visit the Orica Greenedge website/videos and watch an emotional video of what it means to the people involved.
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Post by: Riggers on 15 September, 2015, 11:29:30 am
Thanks Rainers!! What a video (http://www.greenedgecycling.com/backstage-pass/) What a team!! Brilliant. Well done chaps. Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: TdF has cobbles, Giro has Strada Bianchi, Vuelta has...
Post by: Riggers on 22 January, 2016, 01:50:27 pm
Unashamedly, I present stage 4 of LaVuelta 2015, that finished in Vejer de la Frontera. We've spent time there before. A very pretty hill-top town, and I can not say enough, just how steep the initial hill is, that they enter at the start of the video. To cycle as they do, and in that heat, is quite unbelievable. Also, at around 5:20-ish, as they begin to climb Avenida Andalucia, it ramps up again. When you see them cycle it, it looks about 7 percent. Gentlemen, it is not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGpiPtXJn4