Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => On The Road => Topic started by: alexb on 13 April, 2011, 04:08:36 pm
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I'm not sure if I should say anything to the young ladies I pass on my commute, but about 50% of them have essentially see through tights once the sun shines with any strength.
So to the three charming highlights of my ride home last night, I'd rank the black knickers with little white hearts a close winner over the very lacy number, followed closely by the pink knickers with red polkadots!!
Or is this like Fight Club...
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nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont tell them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Love summer cycling in the city! I don't think it is good etiquette for a chap to mention it, but my girlfriend has mentioned it to a couple of serious offenders on her commute, with mixed response.
What does need cracking down on (pun intended) is rather too much of some hairy arsed bloke on display.
I followed a chap with rather too threadbare Lycra shorts for a while on the elenith. Not nice.
As for White Lycra shorts in the rain. Seriously gents? :sick:
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>So to the three charming highlights of my ride home last night, I'd rank the black knickers with little white hearts a close winner over the very lacy number, followed closely by the pink knickers with red polkadots!!
This thread is useless without pic...err...details of your commute route :)
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
Personally I don't really care if my cycling gear is a bit see through since I am sure the chamois covers most bits and the rest would be pretty obvious by the outline anyway. I would feel sorry for anyone cycling behind me anyway because it would mean they are even slower than me ;D
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It's not all bad, this commuting in London lark, then?
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
Ignorance and/or habit.
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
I'm not sure this is about cycling-specific tights. I think we might be talking about more ordinary non-padded tights :o
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
When I did Vatternrundan in '09 an extremely pretty girl overtook me in one of the bike club pelotons.
She was wearing grey lycra shorts over very lacy, white knickers.
My immediate thought was "Ouch, that must chafe."
I'd like to be able to say that I saw it for the next 50 miles but I was on domestique duties so I didn't speed up to follow ;D
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
When I did Vatternrundan in '09 an extremely pretty girl overtook me in one of the bike club pelotons.
She was wearing grey lycra shorts over very lacy, white knickers.
My immediate thought was "Ouch, that must chafe."
Of course it was - we believe you.
i was going to answer Feline's point with the comment that on short rides it probably isn't a problem (and I guess people wear lycra to commute, cos they don't want to wear their smart office trousers/skirt, so why not wear "cycling" gear?)
However, the only time I've noticed this er ... phenomenon was on an Extremely Long Ride, so I assume the lady in question knew exactly what she was doing (and I know she finished before me, so to speak).
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As Butterfly and I have pointed out on this forum before, the majority of seethroughness are god awful males in their worn through lycra shorts. They cannot bear to get rid of it because normally it advertises the Randonee/Etape that they completed over 7 years ago and its a badge of honour to them.
Men: don't bloody wear them in this state or I will tell you about it.
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As Butterfly and I have pointed out on this forum before, the majority of seethroughness are god awful males in their worn through lycra shorts. They cannot bear to get rid of it because normally it advertises the Randonee/Etape that they completed over 7 years ago and its a badge of honour to them.
Men: don't bloody wear them in this state or I will tell you about it.
Guilty as charged m'lud. :-[
It was the 1999 Paris Brest Paris and I had this fantastically comfortable pair of very well worn red Lusso shorts. It had nothing to do with bragging about any ride I'd done, they were the most comortable shorts I had and probably ever have had.
Before I set off for Paris, I considered their threadbareness, considered how comy they were and concluded that I'd be on a ride surrounded by foreigners, so if anyone did complain, I probably wouldn't understand them anyway. So I decided to wear them.
So nyer! :P ;D
I have been on the recieving end though. I can still remember Brian Walker wearing white (or was it very pale blue?) shorts in a 24 hour TT, passing me several times.
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(I generally relegate my more elderly shorts to winter use i.e. hidden under other - rather non-eyecatching - layers. Hopefully this gets me off the hook :fingerscrossed: )
My other thought is that summer-weight lycra is probably somewhat see-through from new, once you stretch it a bit over the average behind. Most people have unobtrusive skin colouring, so this only becomes an issue when riders are wearing interesting undies.
(I really can't deal with the idea of commuting amongst ladies who are actually wearing tights that are worn well beyond their usual opaqueness. Where are my tablets ... )
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I don't mind at all if male riders lycra is see-through, it makes the ride all the more interesting ;)
I accept that the average commuting behind might not be quite as toned as the average Audaxing arse though ;D
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Should probably have said something to the hairy-arsed bloke whose crack was hanging out of his baggy shorts this morning, but was too busy trying not to :sick:
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I don't mind at all if male riders lycra is see-through, it makes the ride all the more interesting ;)
I accept that the average commuting behind might not be quite as toned as the average Audaxing arse though ;D
Quite. It's the hairy behinds that I object to - the view at the traffic lights is not edifying.
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I don't mind at all if male riders lycra is see-through, it makes the ride all the more interesting ;)
I accept that the average commuting behind might not be quite as toned as the average Audaxing arse though ;D
Quite. It's the hairy behinds that I object to - the view at the traffic lights is not edifying.
What about us with hairy audaxers behinds?
* note to self. check shorts *
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
Because I don't need padded shorts on a recumbent. And it's easier to carry a clean set of underwear than pants on multi-day rides. I have special sportknickers though.
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I don't mind at all if male riders lycra is see-through, it makes the ride all the more interesting ;)
I accept that the average commuting behind might not be quite as toned as the average Audaxing arse though ;D
Quite. It's the hairy behinds that I object to - the view at the traffic lights is not edifying.
What about us with hairy audaxers behinds?
* note to self. check shorts *
Hairy audaxing arses are more than acceptable ;D
I would rather not see hairy backs though!
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I don't mind at all if male riders lycra is see-through, it makes the ride all the more interesting ;)
I accept that the average commuting behind might not be quite as toned as the average Audaxing arse though ;D
Quite. It's the hairy behinds that I object to - the view at the traffic lights is not edifying.
What about us with hairy audaxers behinds?
* note to self. check shorts *
Hairy audaxing arses are more than acceptable ;D
I would rather not see hairy backs though!
This is true. Poor men with their hairy bodies.
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My other thought is that summer-weight lycra is probably somewhat see-through from new, once you stretch it a bit over the average behind. Most people have unobtrusive skin colouring, so this only becomes an issue when riders are wearing interesting undies.
No. This is why shorts have sizes. If it's stretched to see through, it's too small. The only exception is white shorts, which should be worn with great care.
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The only exception is white shorts, which should be worn with great care.
You mean, they come in colours other than black? ??? ???
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When I did Vatternrundan in '09 an extremely pretty girl overtook me in one of the bike club pelotons.
She was wearing grey lycra shorts over very lacy, white knickers.
My immediate thought was "Ouch, that must chafe."
Of course it was - we believe you.
Similarly, I was behind a svelte lady cyclist, watching her lycra clad derriere swinging back and forth with the elegance of a Swiss watch.
"Blimey" I thought "her saddle's too high."
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You mean, they come in colours other than black? ??? ???
Only until the revolution, when non-black shorts will be banned along with long seatpost accessory mounting smugness.
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>red Lusso shorts
That reminds me. Some years ago my mother - whilst out somewhere (some sort of fayre thing ?) picked up some lycra shorts from, I guess, a fitness stand, thinking I'd use them for cycling.
Except they were *very, very* red and not a pad to be seen...not so much budgie-smugglers but the rest of the aviary too :o
Dunno what some old dear at Oxfam made of them...
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There was a lady in the toddler cafe last week with leggings on that were like thick tights ??? - she had very fetching white knickers with blue hearts on ;D.
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When I did Vatternrundan in '09 an extremely pretty girl overtook me in one of the bike club pelotons.
She was wearing grey lycra shorts over very lacy, white knickers.
My immediate thought was "Ouch, that must chafe."
Of course it was - we believe you.
Similarly, I was behind a svelte lady cyclist, watching her lycra clad derriere swinging back and forth with the elegance of a Swiss watch.
"Blimey" I thought "her saddle's too high."
I take no pride in saying that it was, genuinely, my first thought :-[
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There was a lady in the toddler cafe last week with leggings on that were like thick tights ??? - she had very fetching white knickers with blue hearts on ;D.
Now this is mildly scary. Outside the world of the lycra-warrior there are *normal* people wearing leggings so thin as to be no more than tights that when viewed from the rear at their most stretched become almost invisible. I've seen many cases of women/girls wandering around as if they'd mislaid their skirts somewhere.
I find it somewhat disconcerting primarily because nobody seems to have told them that their assets are on full display.
Yesterday there was an attractive 15/16 y/o lass with these see-through tights and black knickers on show walking round Waitrose with her mother ... they must think it a good and suitable look :-\
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
I think if a bloke told me my tights were see-through I would laugh whereas if a straight female said it I might think it was weird they noticed!
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Note to self: stick to black bib shorts.
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I have told both men and women about the problem...
I was in a pace line at Herne Hill velodrome behind one chap, and it was most off putting.
The lass was very embarrassed, and I was doing my best "Hugh Grant, i am a respectable bloke I can't possibly draw attention to this but" bit to try and defuse the situation.
I think that they where both glad of the information.
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I saw quite a lot of a toned young gentleman in green & white shorts this morning.
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Blimey three pages!
Er, so most of these ladies are wearing what I would call running tights or exercise tights, so not cycling specific and perhaps not really designed to be stretched quite so much as they would be on a bicycle?
With regards to see through shorts on men, I once followed a chap down Cedars Road who was quite obviously wearing a lacy thong under his particularly threadbare shorts...
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Is it just me that suspects that Hummers is taking notes from this thread in preparation for PBP?
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Tim has black cycle shorts with a red lining. In certain lights, the lining shows through and looks like skin...
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
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Funny, seeing it on a bloke, yuk! Seeing it on a woman, snigger ;)!!
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You know, I don't think I've ever noticed this transparency effect on another cyclist.
Maybe I just fail at perving?
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What I want to know is why someone in cycling gear is wearing knickers :o
Why would you do that?
I suspect this is what Matt says, women not wearing the full cycling kit. Maybe unpadded tights (not necessarily cycling-specific) over ordinary knickers.
Ah, I see that's what was meant.
I used to commute in my work clothes, when I cycled to Reading station, & from Newbury station to the office. It was far too short a distance to wear cycling gear, & anyway, cycling clothing does not go with a Brompton.
I used to know a shapely young woman who had a pair of shorts which had worn very thin at the back. I noticed cleavage one day when cycling behind her.
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Maybe I just fail at perving?
Must try harder.
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Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
Possibly. Aren't there more men than women on this forum though?
I think you could be right by saying that men are more pervy, but I'll never really know. I expect that men and women perv over each other in different ways. Maybe that's what it is. The way men perv is less acceptable than the way women perv? Men tend to be more intimidating than women too, even if we don't mean to be.
It's all generalisation, but when you're dealing with strangers, generalisation is about all you have to go on.
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
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Am I alone in being just as likely to perv the men as they might be to perv me? :demon:
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I tell women if it's really bad. They're usually grateful. I'd prefer to be told if it was me. It may be better coming from me than some potentially pervy bloke though.
Why? Is it only pervy if a man is looking at a woman or is it just acceptable for women to be a perv, but not men?
Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
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Yep, that. I think. (Hope your keyboard troubles are remedied soonest, Kirst!)
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Am I alone in being just as likely to perv the men as they might be to perv me? :demon:
Dunno? Maybe you're one of the few that are open about it? I've read the odd comment here and there that some women here like some men. All Kirst and NSTN have shown is that there is (much) more of it from men and men are more open about it. No evidence that women are less pervy and still haven't really answered whether or not it is more acceptable for women to be pervy than it is for men.
I personally am not offended by, nor criticizing women for being pervy about men (or women) that they might fancy. It seems like it should be normal to me.
I suppose it's a bit of a catch 22 situation. Cycling is male dominated, so cycling forums are male dominated, which means a lot of men talking the usual BS that men talk about and not very much girlie talk going on, which women find offputting, so keep away from the lads taking BS.
I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
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Am I alone in being just as likely to perv the men as they might be to perv me? :demon:
Dunno? Maybe you're one of the few that are open about it? I've read the odd comment here and there that some women here like some men. All Kirst and NSTN have shown is that there is (much) more of it from men and men are more open about it. No evidence that women are less pervy and still haven't really answered whether or not it is more acceptable for women to be pervy than it is for men.
I personally am not offended by, nor criticizing women for being pervy about men (or women) that they might fancy. It seems like it should be normal to me.
I suppose it's a bit of a catch 22 situation. Cycling is male dominated, so cycling forums are male dominated, which means a lot of men talking the usual BS that men talk about and not very much girlie talk going on, which women find offputting, so keep away from the lads taking BS.
I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
I guess that's because women don't (IME) tend to compare notes about men where those men can read it! Some of the female yacfers are not into men anyway. It is also generally considered bad form amongst females to make comments about guys who are married or taken. I think as a sex we also tend towards being tactful, and wouldn't want to say things that might make some of the guys here feel insulted (hairy backs notwithstanding). Personally I don't think there is anything at all wrong in simply admiring things and people that are nice to look at :)
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I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
I have occasionally felt like starting one, just to even the balance.
But then I realise that I'm basically rubbish at fancying men, and don't really know where to start. I'm not all that much better at fancying women, tbh. :-\
Though the geek totty borderline boilers (what does that even mean?) thread's been fairly universal - even if most of the contributions have been from men, I reckon that's just reflecting the demographic.
For the record, I don't think this place excludes women. There have been all manner of women-specific threads, and plenty of positive contributions to them from women and men alike. Indeed, it was a rather frank discussion about shorts and sore labia that endeared me to YACF in the first place. It's just that there are rather a lot of men, and as such it gets a bit blokey at times.
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I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
I have occasionally felt like starting one, just to even the balance.
But then I realise that I'm basically rubbish at fancying men, and don't really know where to start. I'm not all that much better at fancying women, tbh. :-\
Though the geek totty borderline boilers (what does that even mean?) thread's been fairly universal - even if most of the contributions have been from men, I reckon that's just reflecting the demographic.
For the record, I don't think this place excludes women. There have been all manner of women-specific threads, and plenty of positive contributions to them from women and men alike. Indeed, it was a rather frank discussion about shorts and sore labia that endeared me to YACF in the first place. It's just that there are rather a lot of men, and as such it gets a bit blokey at times.
+1
And discussions about things like Mooncups sends the guys running from threads in horror ;D
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Not all the guys. Some of us (I flatter myself slightly to include me) are a bit more grown up.
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I guess that's because women don't (IME) tend to compare notes about men where those men can read it!
I think there's a lot of truth in that. Men seem to be less sensitive about it, and will happily have most (though I believe not all) blokey discussions where a minority of females are present.
Being bi, and having spent enough time in the sort of inclusive LGBT spaces where those sort of rules don't apply in quite the same way, it tends to be something that I don't really care about, but am vaguely aware that other people do. I also tend to gravitate to the sort of environments that are dominated by geeky men, so my social norms aren't especially typical anyway.
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And discussions about things like Mooncups sends the guys running from threads in horror ;D
To be fair, Mooncups send me running in horror. Those things can have your eye out!
(I think the humour level around here is such that a mooncup thread *without* that sort of comment would just seem wrong.)
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Some of the female yacfers are not into men anyway.
True, and not all of the men are into women either. I've had a few chuckles over some of Regulator's comments.
It is also generally considered bad form amongst females to make comments about guys who are married or taken. I think as a sex we also tend towards being tactful, and wouldn't want to say things that might make some of the guys here feel insulted (hairy backs notwithstanding).
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Some men prefer blonds, others prefer brunettes, or redheads and so on. I can't see why women wouldn't prefer different traits in different men and dislike others that other women may prefer.
Still, I know pretty well nothing about how women think, so I'll take yourword for it.
Personally I don't think there is anything at all wrong in simply admiring things and people that are nice to look at :)
Same here. Just like with Regulator's comments, I like yours for the same reason. If you get yourself fit enough, you might be quick enough to have a perv at my rear end. :-* :P
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I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
I have occasionally felt like starting one, just to even the balance.
But then I realise that I'm basically rubbish at fancying men, and don't really know where to start. I'm not all that much better at fancying women, tbh. :-\
Why not start one? It'd get the ball rolling.
Start a thread about whatever floats your boat. Diversity is one of the best things about this forum. It's more interesting for me to read about things I don't or maybe never will know about or experience for myself, even if I can't contribute.
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So really, does this thread label me a pervert, or is it percieved as observational humour - which is the way it was intended?
It was more about questioning how someone can have so little awareness of their appearance. I guess I could have written about "bats in the cave" as a parallel!
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It was more about questioning how someone can have so little awareness of their appearance.
To be fair, in the absence of a Spaceballs-esque transporter malfunction, contrived use of mirrors, or someone willing to admit to looking, it's quite hard to know what your own arse looks like.
ETA: Or pooh sticks (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45232.0), of course. That was surprisingly educational.
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It is also generally considered bad form amongst females to make comments about guys who are married or taken. I think as a sex we also tend towards being tactful, and wouldn't want to say things that might make some of the guys here feel insulted (hairy backs notwithstanding).
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Some men prefer blonds, others prefer brunettes, or redheads and so on. I can't see why women wouldn't prefer different traits in different men and dislike others that other women may prefer.
Still, I know pretty well nothing about how women think, so I'll take yourword for it.
Yeah I think we all have different preferences and tastes, however there are all kinds of reasons why I wouldn't come out with something like 'wow have you seen the size of XXXXyafer's packet' on the forum. Mainly because you never know, xxxx might be offended, their wife might read it and go ballistic, or even worse the other guys might then feel inadequate, and I don't think women really like to make anyone feel bad about themselves, however innocently a comment was meant. Some of us were also raised not to say 'unladylike' things. I don't suffer from such hangups myself and am more likely to fit into the TMI category. Some of the guys I ride with have taken a while to get used to the fact they cannot offend me and they can still talk about blokey things within earshot because I am an honorary bloke :D
Personally I don't think there is anything at all wrong in simply admiring things and people that are nice to look at :)
Same here. Just like with Regulator's comments, I like yours for the same reason. If you get yourself fit enough, you might be quick enough to have a perv at my rear end. :-* :P
I think I will be very lucky to catch a glimpse of your red Lusso-clad rear as you disappear over the horizon ;D
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Lycra is amazing stuff, like neoprene it can stretch a huge amount.
But the more you stretch it the thinner it gets, that's common sense.
So if you stretch it over your arse, then get on a bike and bend forwards, you stretch it again, it just gets thinner and more transparent. If you don't want to show your pants/bum to the world, buy the right size in the first place.
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Yeah I think we all have different preferences and tastes, however there are all kinds of reasons why I wouldn't come out with something like 'wow have you seen the size of XXXXyafer's packet' on the forum. Mainly because you never know, xxxx might be offended,
I think that most men are the same. I wouldn't comment about a lady in front of women, but would to other men. I certainly wouldn't comment on the internet about it, unless I was sure that it wouldn't offend. It's a bit different when it's someone famous though and in the public domain, such as V Pendleton. I also tend not to swear in front of women, unless I know it won't offend them. Most men seem the same and do tend to "behave themselves," or at least think they do in front of women , but you always get the "Wa-hey missus" type. Even so, you get a few women like that too, allthough probably much less so.
I think that women do tend to be more tactfull than men, but most men are still probably more tactfull than women give us credit for because of the few that aren't. I think a lot of it is cultural. A hangover from the past when women were seen but not heard.
In general, people don't intend to offend, whether they are male or female.
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Lycra is amazing stuff, like neoprene it can stretch a huge amount.
But the more you stretch it the thinner it gets, that's common sense.
So if you stretch it over your arse, then get on a bike and bend forwards, you stretch it again, it just gets thinner and more transparent. If you don't want to show your pants/bum to the world, buy the right size in the first place.
Reminds me of the man who went to the doctor wearing only underpants made of cling film. The doctor takes a look at him and says, "I can clearly see you're nuts."
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It was more about questioning how someone can have so little awareness of their appearance.
To be fair, in the absence of a Spaceballs-esque transporter malfunction, contrived use of mirrors, or someone willing to admit to looking, it's quite hard to know what your own arse looks like.
ETA: Or pooh sticks (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45232.0), of course. That was surprisingly educational.
Two lovely ladies in frame and I take a photo that flatters Rowan's arse :facepalm:
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Lycra is amazing stuff, like neoprene it can stretch a huge amount.
But the more you stretch it the thinner it gets, that's common sense.
So if you stretch it over your arse, then get on a bike and bend forwards, you stretch it again, it just gets thinner and more transparent. If you don't want to show your pants/bum to the world, buy the right size in the first place.
Reminds me of the man who went to the doctor wearing only underpants made of cling film. The doctor takes a look at him and says, "I can clearly see you're nuts."
Taxi for Mr teethgrinder .....
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It's a bit different when it's someone famous though and in the public domain, such as V Pendleton.
necause,once,a,woman,necomes,known,to,the,punlic,her,appearance,necomes,punlic,property,to,ne,discussed,and,judged/,necause,no,matter,how,successful,a,woman,is,the,
only,thing,that,really,matters,is,how,she,looks/
my,question,marks,are,currently,coming,out,as,/
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Practical question: How can you know if you stand a chance of offending public decency? Does one need a brutally honest partner every time
I one gets dressed?
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Practical question: How can you know if you stand a chance of offending public decency? Does one need a brutally honest partner every time I one gets dressed?
I have one. She looks at me, laughs, and I go out anyway. Sometimes in cycling gear.
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I have noticed that there don't seem to be any threads from women about men that they might fancy and have thought it a bit odd.
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Though the geek totty borderline boilers (what does that even mean?) thread's been fairly universal - even if most of the contributions have been from men, I reckon that's just reflecting the demographic.
For the record, I don't think this place excludes women. There have been all manner of women-specific threads, and plenty of positive contributions to them from women and men alike. Indeed, it was a rather frank discussion about shorts and sore labia that endeared me to YACF in the first place. It's just that there are rather a lot of men, and as such it gets a bit blokey at times.
What a jolly sensible post :thumbsup:
For a girl, anyway
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It's a bit different when it's someone famous though and in the public domain, such as V Pendleton.
necause,once,a,woman,necomes,known,to,the,punlic,her,appearance,necomes,punlic,property,to,ne,discussed,and,judged/,necause,no,matter,how,successful,a,woman,is,the,
only,thing,that,really,matters,is,how,she,looks/
my,question,marks,are,currently,coming,out,as,/
Not quite how I see it. I like to see pretty ladies as much as the next straight man does. From what I've read from Regulator, I reckon he likes to see nice men too.
I personally would be wary of complimenting a stranger, because I don't want to offend or have them living in fear of a potential local perv.
Those in the public eye are noticed by all. If I talk about them in private, just as I might comment on how a lady looks with my friends, then I'm unlikely to offend or upset anyone. If I knew that complementing a pretty lady would make them happy instead of offending or upsetting them, then I'd do it. I don't care if they are single or not, it's a compliment on the way they look because I like it and intended to spread good cheer. Just as I'd compliment anyone for anything else.
Also, for the famous, it goes with the territory that they are talked about. Talking about the way they look seems a bit shallow to me when it's media headlines, unless they are famous for the way they look. I guess a lot of it is padding when there's not much going on. I never bother reading that garbage myself, I know what I like. Victoria Pendleton is an attractive woman, is it wrong for me to notice? I certainly don't think it's the only thing that matters though. I think much more of her as a cyclist than a centrefold. Beryl Burton has to be one of my all time favourite cyclists and I don't rate the way she looked at all, so yes, I've noticed the way she looked too, am I a bad man? Bloody amazing cyclist though and I rate her much more highly than Victoria Pendleton. It's just that people do notice the way that other people look. I judge people by much more than the way they look. After all, if I judged people by looks, I'd have a very low opinion of myself.
I've heard many women swooning over George Michael, Russel Crowe and Brad Pitt. I can't find fault with women finding men (or women) attractive and talking about that either. Linford Christie was popular when he won Olympic Gold and it was reputed that many women requested a playback of him in action, winning gold. Little Linford swinging in his shorts and all.
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The blokishness of fora is something I've felt obliged to blog about (http://www.ravenfamily.org/sam/?p=2071) recently I became so annoyed about it.
I understand the point of the OP and haven't felt any particular desire to contribute until I read Kirst's posts. I have reached such a point of over-exposure to "Hur hur hur" type threads (not here, haven't been here long enough) that I can't actually read them with feeling TEH RAGE coming on.
I have no issue with people finding other people attractive, no matter what sex or gender any of the various parties happens to be. I just get tired and bored of the tendency for threads about women (again somewhere else, although I'm doing my best to stop it, with some success) to devolve to tits and bums.
Sam
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Re: La Pendleton
She has chosen to make money out of how she looks in her undies. This puts her in a completely different category to just being a woman who makes a living in a public sphere.
That does not, of course, justify anything one might say about her, but it makes some comments about her appearance fair game.
(I'd say the same about geezers - although I tend not to notice them as much. It's not very nice to comment that John RandomActor/Sportsman/Politician has a fat arse unless he has chosen to make a big thing about his appearance already.)
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of,course,there.s,nothing,wrong,with,people,finding,other,people,attractife.,if,that,didn.t,happen,the,human,race,would,die,out.,
and,if,anyone,might,suggest,that,that.s,what,i.m,saying,rather,than,paying,attention,to,what,i,actually,am,saying,then,that
could,ne,taken,as,another,example,of,a,woman.s,complaint,anout,men.s,nehafiour,neing,trifialised,ignored,and,represented,as,neing
more,extreme,than,it,really,is,for,purposes,of,ridiculing,it.,look,there.s,a,woman,complaining,anout,umpteen,threads,onjectifying,
women.,ofiously,that,means,she,thinks,nonody,should,efer,find,anyone,attractife., ::-)
nonody,has,said,nonody,should,find,anyone,else,attractife.,what,i,hafe,said,is,that,this,forum,has,already,had,a,couple,of,discussions
anout,laddishishness,creating,uncomfortanle,online,enfironments,for,many,women,and,yet,it,continues,in,the,only-efer-onjectifying-
women,threads,like,the,mark,cafendish,girlfried,one,and,the,numerous,other,ones,which,end,up,that,way.,
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Can I just say, Kirst, that it astonishes me slightly that you manage to make your point so well even when you don't have the entire alphabet at your disposal?
I find this place, on the whole, less 'laddish' and so on than many other places. Occasionally there are threads that make me :-\ or >:(
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Sorry Kirst.
But laddish comments such as, "Cor blimey, I'd give 'er one" are born of attraction, are they not? I've yet to hear similar comments with regards to a woman considered to be unnatractive by the individual, unless said in irony. Laddishness, IMO, is a vulgar way of expressing attraction. This is why I wrote about physical attraction. More sophisticated folk express their feelings more eloquently and without causing offence. So I conclude that you're unhappy with the manner in which some express their attraction to women. Or am I wrong about that?
Nonetheless, it's the way some folk behave. If it is offensive, which I can understand, then isn't it a failing of our moderators that we have offensive material on this fine forum? I haven't read most (Don't think I've read any actually) of the laddish threads you've referred to, ICBA with that, I'm not interested. But hey, some folk seem to like it.YMMV It's not unlikely that you are much better informed about laddishness on this forum than I am, given that I never bother to read it. So perhaps what I say above will be irrelevent?
I haven't read the discussions about laddish behavior either, so I suppose I could go on about it, but I doubt I'd say anything original.
As Kim suggested earlier, why not start a female equivolent of a laddish thread? Perhaps it's as Feline said, that women are much less that way inclined, if at all.
YACF is a broad church and it takes allsorts. The trick is to keep it inclusive, but to keep it inclusive there's a fine balance between what will attract more people than it repels. I think it'd be a shame to exclude people for being laddish. On the other hand, it'd be a great shame to lose or discourage those that find it offensive.
Judging by this thread, laddishness seems to me, to be a substantial issue and rather repulsive to some.
I was merely asking why men are more likely to be percieved to be pervy if they inform a lady of her threadbare attire.
NSTN pointed out that she noticed many more pervy remaks from men than from women. Those pervy remarks were then said to be in the (vulgar) form of laddishness and was substantiated by a case load of evidence. I did point out that this is a male dominated forum, which may account for this, but this was pretty well ignored, Fair enough, I'd guess not anyway, but I think it would magnify it.
So, am I to take it that because of laddish behavior, some (not all O:-))women tend to stereotype men as pervy?
It seems logical. I'm very wary of people driving their cars because of the few bad apples and tend to regard them all as a threat. Men can be evil to women, so it's unsurprising that some women see all men as a potential threat too.
Not experiencing life as a female myself, I reckon that females are far better placed to answer that question than I am.
What is alexb to do?
If he tells a lady about her waffer theen clothing, will he be branded a villainous perv because of the laddish behavior of others or hailed as a hero for helping a lady to maintain her dignity?
Personally, I'd keep shtum and laugh at someone bearing their bum.
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As Kim suggested earlier, why not start a female equivolent of a laddish thread?
i,can.t,ne,nothered,to,respond,to,your,whole,post,while,my,keynoard,is,still,fuckered,so,i.ll,just,respond,to,this,nit,for,now.,
i,can.t,speak,for,the,other,women,nut,it,would,nefer,occur,to,me,to,start,a,thread,for,the,purposes,of,judging,men.s,appearances.,i,find,lots,of,men,attractife,-,and,one,woman,-,nut,i,hafe,ansolutely,no,desire,to,discuss,the,sixe,of,their,chests,or,the,set,of,their,eyes,or,how,dirty,they,might,ne
in,ned.,and,i,certainly,wouldn.t,do,it,on,a,forum,dedicated,to,a,predominantly,female,pasttime,where,it,was,widely,acknowledged,that,more,men,
would,ne,a,good,thing,for,the,pasttime,and,that,the,attitudes,of,some,women,was,a,deterrent,to,men,joining,in.,
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Long ago, when Becky (of this parish) and I were having an IM chat, the subject came up, and I said something like "I'ts not that I find it offensive, it's just dull." That's still largely true. By the time I've read a thread and it's gone from 'making a few good points' to 'dull bloke-jokes about tits and arses' I usually can't be bothered reading it much further. It's not very interesting to hear, yet again, that blokes like looking at women's backsides, or that such-and-such a woman is fit/gives you the heaves. FFS, why not have the originality to find something worth talking about?
Not that P&OBI is any better, mind... ::-)
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So, am I to take it that because of laddish behavior, some (not all O:-))women tend to stereotype men as pervy?
It seems logical. I'm very wary of people driving their cars because of the few bad apples and tend to regard them all as a threat. Men can be evil to women, so it's unsurprising that some women see all men as a potential threat too.
Not experiencing life as a female myself, I reckon that females are far better placed to answer that question than I am.
What is alexb to do?
If he tells a lady about her waffer theen clothing, will he be branded a villainous perv because of the laddish behavior of others or hailed as a hero for helping a lady to maintain her dignity?
Personally, I'd keep shtum and laugh at someone bearing their bum.
I don't think it's a simple 2 way division of male v female opinions and attitudes. I reckon there are a good few men on this forum who stop reading and posting in threads that descend into laddish chit chat. And there is at least one female here that isn't really bothered at all by those discussions and doesn't take any offence. If I get bored of a thread I just stop reading it. There are many threads here I chose not to read because I know the topic is of no interest to me or is likely to piss me off.
This forum has a really wide range of topics only a fraction of which include cycling and I think that is one of the good things about it. If the only boards were The Knowledge and Audax ones then I would probably visit the forum maybe once a week rather than every day. I find it interesting reading other people's views on things, and often informative. You get an insight into other people's lives here rather like a real life soap opera. When threads descend into slanging matches occasionally I sometimes find even that amusing to watch in a freak-show kind of way, and it reminds me to try and keep my temper out in the real world lest I end up sounding like I am a 9 year old arguing in the school playground too ;D
I think alexb is in a no-win situation with regards to the OP. The messenger is often the one to get shot! When I see the stuff my daughter and her friends wear when they know exactly what their outfit looks like from all angles, I would be surprised if many of the female cyclists with hearts on their knickers actually care if anyone can see them. You would not necessarily be doing them a favour by pointing it out to them, ignorance is bliss and all that, if they did care then they would then be embarrassed. I reckon it would be a safer option just to admire the view and let their friends and work colleagues worry about telling them they can see their arse ;D
Maybe it's just me, but life is short and sometimes tough, and if someone can get any enjoyment out of looking at my lycra clad arse then they are quite welcome to ride behind me .... but there are much better looking and faster moving arses out there to draft behind ;D
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As Kim suggested earlier, why not start a female equivolent of a laddish thread?
i,can.t,ne,nothered,to,respond,to,your,whole,post,while,my,keynoard,is,still,fuckered,so,i.ll,just,respond,to,this,nit,for,now.,
i,can.t,speak,for,the,other,women,nut,it,would,nefer,occur,to,me,to,start,a,thread,for,the,purposes,of,judging,men.s,appearances.,i,find,lots,of,men,attractife,-,and,one,woman,-,nut,i,hafe,ansolutely,no,desire,to,discuss,the,sixe,of,their,chests,or,the,set,of,their,eyes,or,how,dirty,they,might,ne
in,ned.,and,i,certainly,wouldn.t,do,it,on,a,forum,dedicated,to,a,predominantly,female,pasttime,where,it,was,widely,acknowledged,that,more,men,
would,ne,a,good,thing,for,the,pasttime,and,that,the,attitudes,of,some,women,was,a,deterrent,to,men,joining,in.,
Kirst, you have my sympathies with your epic keyboard fail! if you need a new one I could stick one of my many spares in the post to you!
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I don't think it's a simple 2 way division of male v female opinions and attitudes. I reckon there are a good few men on this forum who stop reading and posting in threads that descend into laddish chit chat.
Yes and yes.
If I get bored of a thread I just stop reading it. There are many threads here I chose not to read because I know the topic is of no interest to me or is likely to piss me off.
Yyyyup. +1
This forum has a really wide range of topics only a fraction of which include cycling and I think that is one of th....
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When threads descend into slanging matches occasionally I sometimes find even that amusing to watch in a freak-show kind of way, and it reminds me to try and keep my temper out in the real world lest I end up sounding like I am a 9 year old arguing in the school playground too ;D
;D ;D ;D
I think alexb is in a no-win situation with regards to the OP. The messenger is often the one to get shot! When I see the stuff my daughter and her friends wear when they know exactly what their outfit looks like from all angles, I would be surprised if many of the female cyclists with hearts on their knickers actually care if anyone can see them. You would not necessarily be doing them a favour by pointing it out to them, ignorance is bliss and all that, if they did care then they would then be embarrassed. I reckon it would be a safer option just to admire the view and let their friends and work colleagues worry about telling them they can see their arse ;D
And again, yes. It can be a highly embarrassing and very delicate issue for some and taken very personally while others would think, "So what?"
I too sit back and enjoy the cringeworthy comedy and let them, ahem, crack on.
Maybe it's just me, but life is short and sometimes tough, and if someone can get any enjoyment out of looking at my lycra clad arse then they are quite welcome to ride behind me .... but there are much better looking and faster moving arses out there to draft behind ;D
Yet again, yes. Now I know how the man from Del Monte feels!
10/10 for agreement.
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As Kim suggested earlier, why not start a female equivolent of a laddish thread?
i,can.t,ne,nothered,to,respond,to,your,whole,post,while,my,keynoard,is,still,fuckered,so,i.ll,just,respond,to,this,nit,for,now.,
i,can.t,speak,for,the,other,women,nut,it,would,nefer,occur,to,me,to,start,a,thread,for,the,purposes,of,judging,men.s,appearances.,i,find,lots,of,men,attractife,-,and,one,woman,-,nut,i,hafe,ansolutely,no,desire,to,discuss,the,sixe,of,their,chests,or,the,set,of,their,eyes,or,how,dirty,they,might,ne
in,ned.,and,i,certainly,wouldn.t,do,it,on,a,forum,dedicated,to,a,predominantly,female,pasttime,where,it,was,widely,acknowledged,that,more,men,
would,ne,a,good,thing,for,the,pasttime,and,that,the,attitudes,of,some,women,was,a,deterrent,to,men,joining,in.,
Mostly this. Also, because if something bothers me, the solution is not to start doing it myself. I get cat-called in the street, both on and off the bike. I can't go to the supermarket in skirt without some knob hanging out of their car going "nice legs" or "nice arse". They might think I will find it flattering. I don't. I just want to do my shopping.
I have never thought the solution to this would be to start cat-calling other random men in the street because (a) they wouldn't know I was doing it for that reason, (b) I'd probably end up getting sexually assaulted if I did it enough times, (c) I'd be hypocritical and (d) it would never occur to me to do it.
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Just from reading this forum alone, the men seem to (overtly?) perv a helluva lot more than the women. It is rare that there's a thread consisting of female posters perving, be it over men or women. And that's just this forum.
A former girlfriend of mine told me that she first noticed me when cycling up a hill behind me. She liked the view enough that it led to three years together.
I've had a few "nice arse!" shouts, usually from young women in groups.
I suspect the difference is largely one of perceived social acceptability & likely consequences.
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Kirst, you have my sympathies with your epic keyboard fail! if you need a new one I could stick one of my many spares in the post to you!
thanks,nut,it.s,fine.,it.s,a,laptop,and,the,repair,shop,hafe,ordered,a,replacement,and,i.m,just,waiting,for,it,to,arrife,so,they,can,do,the,switch.,
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Mostly this. Also, because if something bothers me, the solution is not to start doing it myself.
Mostly, there can be exceptions. But in this situation, I agree.
I was thinking more along the lines of ladies who feel that way inclined to do the same as men. You don't feel that way inclined, so yes, do what is right for you.
I've been on the recieving end of this myself. It doesn't bother me at all. In fact, more the opposite.
I get cat-called in the street, both on and off the bike. I can't go to the supermarket in skirt without some knob hanging out of their car going "nice legs" or "nice arse". They might think I will find it flattering. I don't. I just want to do my shopping.
Harrassment from knobheads. Having spent 9 years in a factory, working alongside some knobheads, I found that the most effective way of dealing with them was this.
Let them make their comment, then look directly at them. Show no emotion, just look. Even better if you have to turn to look at them. They run out of things to say and feel rather stupid. You'll visibly see when you've beaten them. They may feel insulted by it, but hey tough luck, they shouldn't harrass you.
It worked and still works well for me, so I hope you find that helpfull. Once they get the message, you will hopefully find the harrassment level drops.
I've changed people's behaviour doing this. Turned them into a better worker and less of a prat who wants to mess around all day. He even told me this himself and also said it improved his life at work. I made working life better for a number of people, so I hope it works for you.
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A former girlfriend of mine told me that she first noticed me when cycling up a hill behind me. She liked the view enough that it led to three years together.
I've had a few "nice arse!" shouts, usually from young women in groups.
I suspect the difference is largely one of perceived social acceptability & likely consequences.
Yes, I've had that too and TBH I think I enjoy it more than dislike it. It happens very rarely though. I've even had it from fellow straight men, one of which I'm sure was drooling over my rear so much, thought I was female. That's what I reckon anyway, judging by the horrified look on his face when I looked at him.
That's no excuse though.
Us menfolk really do need to get the message that those womenfolk really don't like it, so we really must stop harrassing them. I thought it was common knowledge that women hate this behaviour. Sure, there must be some that enjoy it, but why risk causing great offence, intimidating or bullying someone?
I reckon if we try hard enough we can get ourselves as well behaved as the ladies. and that, at least would be worth aiming for.
Smiling work for me. I saw some lovely ladies out and about in the sunshine yesterday. I gave them a smile, sometimes a friendly nod too. I recived smiles and waves in return. I also smiled to people I didn't find attractive too because I like to smile and be happy. I reckon I brightened up a few people's day a little bit and they also brightened up my day. Not everyne smiled back, but never mind, nobody seemed offended or upset. Now isn't that much better than being an arse and upsetting people?
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Yes, I've had that too and TBH I think I enjoy it more than dislike it. It happens very rarely though.
This is only because women tend to do more of the silent kind of admiration :)
+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike. Smiling can make others feel good, and the endorphins you release yourself in the process can make you feel good, it's a win-win!
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+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike.
We just thought you were a bit simple ;)
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+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike.
We just thought you were a bit simple ;)
Well, there is that too ;)
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This is only because women tend to do more of the silent kind of admiration :)
I sometimes have my suspisions. Sometimes a car will sit behind me for a while when they can easily overtake, when they do, it's often when another car comes up behind them. Invariably, the first car has a lady or ladies.
I have had a number of women give me favourable comments about my rear, especially when I ride my bike. 8)
Well, I can dream can't I? ;)
+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike. Smiling can make others feel good, and the endorphins you release yourself in the process can make you feel good, it's a win-win!
Atta girl :thumbsup:
You keep on smiling. I've been extremely miserable at one point in my life. I probably had some kind of depression. Trust me I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Unhappiness is a living death and depression is a potentialy life threatening illness. Smiling and being happy is very good for your health, so keep it up.
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+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike. Smiling can make others feel good, and the endorphins you release yourself in the process can make you feel good, it's a win-win!
Atta girl :thumbsup:
You keep on smiling. I've been extremely miserable at one point in my life. I probably had some kind of depression. Trust me I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Unhappiness is a living death and depression is a potentialy life threatening illness. Smiling and being happy is very good for your health, so keep it up.
+1 to this too, I had clinical depression over a 5 year period for which I had various meds and help. The way out of it included exercise and smiling among other things (getting rid of the ex-husband was quite a big one of the 'things') :)
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+1 to smiling. I've been told occasionally that I smile too much. I don't care. I have a lot in my life to be happy about, including riding an awesome bike. Smiling can make others feel good, and the endorphins you release yourself in the process can make you feel good, it's a win-win!
me too! I get called Genial, I quite like it...
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This is only because women tend to do more of the silent kind of admiration :)
Back when i did more running than cycling, a group of teenage girls shouted at me:
Show us your willy!
The nice thing about cycling is that you are usually out of earshot a lot quicker than when on foot.
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and,the,nice,thing,anout,neing,a,man,is,you,can,ne,reasonanly,certain,that,the,shouters,won.t,follow,you,up,the,street,continuing
to,shout,or,surround,you,and,make,you,fear,for,your,safety,or,pin,you,against,a,wall,ny,the,throat,and,grope,you., :-\
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This is only because women tend to do more of the silent kind of admiration :)
Back when i did more running than cycling, a group of teenage girls shouted at me:
Show us your willy!
I bet with hindsight you wish you hadn't though :-*
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Show us your willy!
I bet with hindsight you wish you hadn't though :-*
Too right!
Why can't women say what they really mean? :facepalm:
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and,the,nice,thing,anout,neing,a,man,is,you,can,ne,reasonanly,certain,that,the,shouters,won.t,follow,you,up,the,street,continuing
to,shout,or,surround,you,and,make,you,fear,for,your,safety,or,pin,you,against,a,wall,ny,the,throat,and,grope,you., :-\
That, for me, augments what NSTN said. It's not only the harassment, unpleasantness, stupidity and ::-). It also creates an environment of fear and intimidation. It only takes a few to make someone wary of all.
So, it's not just that a man may be a perv, he may do something untoward. It's most unlikely but you never know, so there is always that element of the unknown. Paranoia the life preserver. I also think it's fair to say that women have a deserved stereotype for being much less of a danger or threat to any member of public. So yes, it seems logical that threadbare clothing would be better pointed out to a woman from another woman.
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and,the,nice,thing,anout,neing,a,man,is,you,can,ne,reasonanly,certain,that,the,shouters,won.t,follow,you,up,the,street,continuing
to,shout,or,surround,you,and,make,you,fear,for,your,safety,or,pin,you,against,a,wall,ny,the,throat,and,grope,you., :-\
That, for me, augments what NSTN said. It's not only the harassment, unpleasantness, stupidity and ::-). It also creates an environment of fear and intimidation. It only takes a few to make someone wary of all.
So, it's not just that a man may be a perv, he may do something untoward. It's most unlikely but you never know, so there is always that element of the unknown. Paranoia the life preserver. I also think it's fair to say that women have a deserved stereotype for being much less of a danger or threat to any member of public. So yes, it seems logical that threadbare clothing would be better pointed out to a woman from another woman.
I am probably more of a threat to the general public than anyone realises ;D
I guess I haven't had that much first hand experience of harassment of this kind. That probably says more about me than the area I live in! I rode 72 miles today in shorts and and a vest top and the only comment I had was a group of 3 chavs near Avonmouth said to me as I passed 'your back wheel is following your front wheel' ???
I guess that means I must be a fugly 40 year old mum of 2 ;D
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This is only because women tend to do more of the silent kind of admiration :)
Back when i did more running than cycling, a group of teenage girls shouted at me:
Show us your willy!
I've always wanted to be cycling through a small town at 3am and have a bunch of girls shout:
Show us yer nuts,
just so I can say:
It's three in the morning and I've got 250km to go - what more proof do you need?
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and,the,nice,thing,anout,neing,a,man,is,you,can,ne,reasonanly,certain,that,the,shouters,won.t,follow,you,up,the,street,continuing
to,shout,or,surround,you,and,make,you,fear,for,your,safety,or,pin,you,against,a,wall,ny,the,throat,and,grope,you., :-\
One of the few times I’ve ended up with a black eye was because of intervening in something that I thought might head that way. Drunk late middle aged man harassing a lone woman in a car park. He followed me after I’d intervened, and punched me in the face.
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I was following cycling yoof home in the sunshine on Friday. You know those silly hipster jeans?
:hand:
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I guess I haven't had that much first hand experience of harassment of this kind. That probably says more about me than the area I live in! I rode 72 miles today in shorts and and a vest top and the only comment I had was a group of 3 chavs near Avonmouth said to me as I passed 'your back wheel is following your front wheel' ???
I guess that means I must be a fugly 40 year old mum of 2 ;D
Cheer up. I went for a ride yesterday in trousers and a jersey, on the SUAB. I went to collect some bean sticks - sticks for my beans to grow up. I put them on the rack and went home, stick end bound to the rack and twiggy end sticking out the back. Some 1/2 wit yelled "...witch..." Given the tone it wasn't short for "Cool! a modern sort of witch's broomstick". I was unimpressed.
Yr fellow (over-)40 yr old mum of 2.
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“G’won four eyed fraggle” as I walked down Green End Rd in Cambridge in 1994 or so. I had longer hair then.
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“G’won four eyed fraggle” as I walked down Green End Rd in Cambridge in 1994 or so. I had longer hair then.
Fraggle is a term of endearment not an insult :D
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and,the,nice,thing,anout,neing,a,man,is,you,can,ne,reasonanly,certain,that,the,shouters,won.t,follow,you,up,the,street,continuing
to,shout,or,surround,you,and,make,you,fear,for,your,safety,or,pin,you,against,a,wall,ny,the,throat,and,grope,you., :-\
No, as a young bloke on your own you can't be uncertain that they don't threaten you, corner you and get heavy with you just so alpha male can prove to his disciples he can 'own' anything. I've been cornered and punched in the middle of a busy night club - singled out for having bad body odour which wasn't actually the case. Just separated from the group I was out with and an easy target.
Oh, and Simonp's situation isn't that unusual either. I have similar first hand experience of that too.
Oh, and being on the receiving end.. (four women in a cabriolet).
Mind you, sometimes just smile or try chatting to a gurl and the obvious assumption is that you want to bed them. Sheesh!
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One incident after a stag night in Cambridge left the groom with a broken eye socket, me with bleeding in the sinus and they thought I might have a broken cheekbone (I have a lump in my cheek to this day), another guy needing 9 stitches in his forehead, another with a black eye, and finally one with 70% loss of the sight in his right eye. No charges were ever brought against the people who attacked us. One of that group was female, and was egging them on, and I remember her shouting “smash their glasses” after we’d been kicked in the face already, as if that wasn’t enough.
Edit: actually I’m not sure if I was kicked in the face. I remember seeing that happening to Alberto, though.
To this day, I’ve never been able to fathom what triggered that. Unwanted attention from groups of pissed up males has always made me wary, but especially since then, and I tend to avoid Cambridge city centre on Friday and Saturday evenings these days. In Glasgow as a student I remember my flatmate coming home with a fat lip; he’d been completely randomly punched in the face by someone walking the other way down the same street.
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“G’won four eyed fraggle” as I walked down Green End Rd in Cambridge in 1994 or so. I had longer hair then.
Fraggle is a term of endearment not an insult :D
OH RLY?
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/5632475427_f206365ae1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/5632475427/)
Fraggle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/5632475427/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr
Shockingly, I still have that t-shirt and the jacket.
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“G’won four eyed fraggle” as I walked down Green End Rd in Cambridge in 1994 or so. I had longer hair then.
Fraggle is a term of endearment not an insult :D
OH RLY?
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/5632475427_f206365ae1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/5632475427/)
Fraggle (http://www.flickr.com/photos/27424426@N00/5632475427/) by SimonP2006 (http://www.flickr.com/people/27424426@N00/), on Flickr
Shockingly, I still have that t-shirt and the jacket.
Maybe it is the face you were pulling that provoked the comment!
That t-shirt and jacket are pretty innocuous compared to some of the stuff I was wearing in 1994 :-X
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Back to the OP, I was confronted by a similar situation on the tube the other day. i was seated and at the next stop, amongst the passengers tah embarked was a young woman wearing hipster jeans. Due to the carriage being full, she was standing, just to the left of where I was sitting, facing towards me. After a minute or two I became aware that her button fly was undone and, as she moved it gaped slightly. I don't know why I became aware but it was obvious that for a second at least, my gave was either at or via her groin. At the next stop the passenger next to me got off the train and the young woman took the seat. As she sat down her fly gaped even more and it looked like she was sans underwear. I thought for a little while then decided to let her know. I told her about the fly buttons and at that point felt about as embarrased as I have ever felt. She said thanks and placed her bag in her lap.
Did I do the right thing? I don't know but, I would hate to think that my inaction gave someone else an opportunity to get their rocks off looking at the womans inadvertantly revealed body.
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Fuzzy - I'm sure you handled the situation with dignity and poise.
Unlike a delightful, and yet undeniably loud Essex girl I worked with once. We were wandering in Trafalgar Square eating lunch one hot summer's day, when she espied a Scandinavian sort squatting down to feed the pigeons. She had a thin summer skirt and no undies - so little was left to the imagination. I looked away, being a gent, but Kay (my colleague) pointed and yelled "Fuck Me, Chris - look - she's got 'er rat aaaat!".
:facepalm:
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Back to the OP, I was confronted by a similar situation on the tube the other day. i was seated and at the next stop, amongst the passengers tah embarked was a young woman wearing hipster jeans. Due to the carriage being full, she was standing, just to the left of where I was sitting, facing towards me. After a minute or two I became aware that her button fly was undone and, as she moved it gaped slightly. I don't know why I became aware but it was obvious that for a second at least, my gave was either at or via her groin. At the next stop the passenger next to me got off the train and the young woman took the seat. As she sat down her fly gaped even more and it looked like she was sans underwear. I thought for a little while then decided to let her know. I told her about the fly buttons and at that point felt about as embarrased as I have ever felt. She said thanks and placed her bag in her lap.
Did I do the right thing? I don't know but, I would hate to think that my inaction gave someone else an opportunity to get their rocks off looking at the womans inadvertantly revealed body.
Something similar happened to me on the tube once. Only I was facing about an inch of revealed pubes due to the low cut on the girl's jeans. I got up and gave her my seat.
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I think it would be instructive to demonstrate the correct wearing of tights by an olympic athlete - does anyone know of any good pics of e.g. Victoria Pendleton showing how cyclewear should be worn by a lady? I ink that woudl helpthis discussion.
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Never heard of her.
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Tip 1: Don't wear wooly shorts. Unless you're Woolly, in which case it's a good idea. But I mean, oh, never mind...