Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => PBP => Topic started by: Ajax Bay on 05 January, 2023, 10:41:06 pm
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I have dug out some useful threads here and some detail from 2019 which some may find useful.
2015 telling 2019 self https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=92923.0
Registration https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110768.0
11 Feb 2019: “Nous avons le plaisir de vous annoncer que 850 places supplémentaires seront ouvertes pour le PBP2019.
We are pleased to announce that 850 extra slots will be available for PBP 2019.” Hope for 200ers?
Mid Feb
"To allow more riders to enter PBP'19, we modified the 80h starts. There will be only 5 starts instead of 7, from 04:00pm
to 05:00pm. By doing so, we will have to more starts for 90h and all start times will put backward by 30 minutes.
We are expecting early starters to ride at least to Carhaix for their first stop, if possible Brest and then Fougeres
or Villaine on the way back. Otherwise, Loudeac will be a mess despite the extra accommodation that we are implementing."
"All the places will go to those 'pre-registering'. But further to "There may be further spaces made available later on",
it's worth noting that those 'freed up' places will become available at 2300BST on 19 Jun. This is the key date
for the 'chancer' diary, having already ridden 2,3 and 400 BRMs and with a 600 entered to be ridden that weekend."
And by 10 Apr 2019, every start slot had gone to pre-registrants (as I predicted back in mid Feb 2019). BUT then (as others have said in other threads) a good chunk of pre-registrants don't then register (for whatever reason) by the deadline: and suddenly starts become available PROVIDED you have ridden 3 of your 4 BRMs of the SR.
As an aside: This year I'll be one of those chancers who did not ride a 200 BRM in 2022 but will be completing an SR 'just in case'.
2023 Rules Article 3: The number of starters will be limited to 8000. 2500 slots with be reserved for candidates of French nationality.
Start time shenanigans https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=108477.0
Pace planning https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=111412.0
Damon/ESL's archives https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=109806.0
Oppy: https://www.audax.org.au/public/paris-brest-paris/pbp-oppy-wins
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John Jackson said (edited for 2023):
Top tips for pre-registering
Create your account now. https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/ (https://inscription.paris-brest-paris.org/)
You can search for your BRMs
Make sure you know your longest BRM number
The site allows you to pre-register at 11am GMT. So be logged on before 11. Enter your BRM number. Press enter as the clock strikes 11.
The registration is easy except for the when you get to Payment of activity. There is a blank window asking for entry number. You have no idea what this is, look for the word back next to the Home icon and click back (left hand side middle of page)
Your entry number which will look something like PBP3895 will now appear and you can pay your 50 euros. Apparently using back or logging back in again will do the same.
As the fortnights progress, increasingly, all the early start times will be full for each time limit so be flexible. You may find a slot becomes free during registration due to a rider dropping out.
Good Luck
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I saw this fascinating animation of the progress of riders in PBP 2015 (demonstrating the "bulge"), don't believe it has been previously mentioned here, (best viewed full screen : <<https://vimeo.com/137970979>> to see the details)
https://vimeo.com/137970979
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My account from previous PBP is still there. Just updated the email address as they had an old disused one. BRMs from 2019 to 2022 showing in lists.
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Do you know how to get my 2022 BRMs linked to my account? Thanks.
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Do you know how to get my 2022 BRMs linked to my account? Thanks.
It ‘just seems to happen’ I have noticed. Go into your account and look at results. You might have to toggle dates but it’ll pull everything through.
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It happens to you, but not to everybody: my BRMs don't show unless I enter my approval number for each of them and click Search. After that, my BRM comes out together with a totally different brevet (different rider, different length, different year) - this doesn't happen for my last 1200+ but this is well explained in the red lines above. A friend of mine rode the same 600 BRM as me in Sep 2022: he can see his, I can't see mine (unless I enter etc.)
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Thanks for doing this.
I just logged in and can see all the BRM events I expect, including 2022.
They are listed in descending distance order and within each distance they are listed by date - oldest first with 2017 the earliest of mine displayed
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Thanks for the prompt. I have moved house, changed email address and changed club since 2019. I just need to get it to link up my 2022 rides. I’ll have another go when I’m time wasting in the office tomorrow.
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Do you know how to get my 2022 BRMs linked to my account? Thanks.
Assuming you have a club set in audax uk, use the same club in your PBP account and then use the search function to pull up the missing events.
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I rode some brevets in Oz last year and searching for the homologation numbers brought up my results but there was no confirm button to link those results to my account. Adding a second club (that those results were recorded against) to my details brought up the confirm button when searching for those homologation numbers. That then linked those results to my account.
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Thanks for doing this.
I just logged in and can see all the BRM events I expect, including 2022.
They are listed in descending distance order and within each distance they are listed by date - oldest first with 2017 the earliest of mine displayed
It is a bit more complicated if your results are listed against multiple clubs (which you have to add to your profile). After ranking by decreasing distance, it is by club and then by increasing homologation number. A pair of my 200s have homologation numbers in the opposite order to their dates, so it is easy to see which priorities the database uses.
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It happens to you, but not to everybody: my BRMs don't show unless I enter my approval number for each of them and click Search. After that, my BRM comes out together with a totally different brevet (different rider, different length, different year) - this doesn't happen for my last 1200+ but this is well explained in the red lines above. A friend of mine rode the same 600 BRM as me in Sep 2022: he can see his, I can't see mine (unless I enter etc.)
Yeah, I'm the same. I entered the number for my BCM last year and it came up with me and another rider from Germany.
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The brevet numbers are consecutive for each distance (0001 to infinity) but repeated between series i.e. every distance has brevet No.1, brevet No.100, etc. The recent homologation numbers for 200s have a large magnitude but the 400, 600 and 1000 homologation numbers are similar in magnitude. A homologation number from any of those distances might reasonably apply to the other distances. The ACP should have asked for the distance and the homologation number at the same time but instead they are asking you to pick the right distance for your homologation number.
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Thank you very much LittleWheelsandBig for sharing with us your deep konwledge (or understanding) of how this stuff works: really interesting and hopely useful!!!
I looked for a place where I could check/add my club, but I couldn't find any. Under "My account" (Mon compte) I can only change my password, I can't even check my name and surname.
Did you delete your account and create a new one?
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Under <My Account> is (scroll down)
<Username>
<Profile enregistre>
<Address>
<Club> where there is a button to <Add a club>
You can then select from the country dropdown list to find the correct club to add.
That was all I did.
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Under <My Account> I only find the section for changing password (Username/Identifiant).
Maybe it's due to the fact I registered a few days ago (in 2019 I didn't take part to PBP).
I didn't notice, but when you register you only have to give an email and a password, if you choose "Non French" as your Current Federation (I don't know if you choose some French federation what happens). No name, no surname, nothing more.
I'll try again next Saturday when they open up for Préinscription: they'll surely ask your name!
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I can’t accurately remember the process from the previous PBP. There is normally something that seems essential but frustratingly impossible and it gets resolved in time.
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Thanks for the prompt. I have moved house, changed email address and changed club since 2019. I just need to get it to link up my 2022 rides. I’ll have another go when I’m time wasting in the office tomorrow.
I can't seem to link to my 2022 rides at the moment.
I note that there are 2 'Audax Club Mid-Essex's on the ACP database. I've tried them both. Bit more faffing around required.
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Under <My Account> I only find the section for changing password (Username/Identifiant).
Maybe it's due to the fact I registered a few days ago (in 2019 I didn't take part to PBP).
I didn't notice, but when you register you only have to give an email and a password, if you choose "Non French" as your Current Federation (I don't know if you choose some French federation what happens). No name, no surname, nothing more.
I'll try again next Saturday when they open up for Préinscription: they'll surely ask your name!
Give it a day or two, some bits of the site were working yesterday but broken today, especially english language version so ACP gremlins are probably doing some tinkering. IF you have 1000 / 1000+ longest brevets make sure you have the basic info setup before noon 14th (Paris) as the site will then get hammered by thousands of hopefuls, otherwise you have a little extra time. My experience mirrors that of LittleWheelsandBig so try to get the basic info done. I used to do some brevet admin and the only "rider" data ACP has about the rider's brevets is First Name, Last Name and Club (running the brevet) so these are used to match a user and their brevets . You will need the homologation number for your longest ride to pre-register and I assume it requires a match of names & club?
Good Luck
PS For my region they do have a strange (new) list of "clubs" most are not Audax/Randonneur clubs?
PS2 Has anyone found a link for the 2023 route? (maybe I should be patient and give it today myself?
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
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Do you know how to get my 2022 BRMs linked to my account? Thanks.
search for the homogulation number, and then confirm it is you
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
yeah, I put in my LEL number and it came up with someone else's BRM. Don't want to miss out on the first group for having done LEL instead of a 1000 BRM
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Thanks for the tips. I set my club as Audax UK but there were no results showing under "Your BRMs" when I clicked on that. If I search by the result number (shown on the AUK website) for my longest ride BRM in 2022, it shows this, but I can't see any way to confirm this is me or add it to my profile. There is an empty box under the heading "confirm" but nothing to click on. Am I missing something?
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Homologation Date Last name First name Club Distance Confirm
19551 12/08/2022 TARMEY Nick Audax UK 1000
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Maybe confirm will be available from Sunday?
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That was where I had to add the organising club to my profile, whereupon my 1000 popped up with a confirm button when I searched for the homologation number. I imagine there is some Audax UK club number shenanigans going on that you need to sort out before the weekend.
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Under <My Account> I only find the section for changing password (Username/Identifiant).
Maybe it's due to the fact I registered a few days ago (in 2019 I didn't take part to PBP).
I didn't notice, but when you register you only have to give an email and a password, if you choose "Non French" as your Current Federation (I don't know if you choose some French federation what happens). No name, no surname, nothing more.
I'll try again next Saturday when they open up for Préinscription: they'll surely ask your name!
I had the same experience today if that helps. It's my first PBP too. No option to add a name or club, so hopefully this will change before/on Saturday.
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Is there a process for getting the same start time as a friend/family member? Or is it a free-for-all and both riders simply try and get the same slot?
Me and my Dad would like to start together in PBP (which was a relatively simple process for LEL).
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Is there a process for getting the same start time as a friend/family member? Or is it a free-for-all and both riders simply try and get the same slot?
Me and my Dad would like to start together in PBP (which was a relatively simple process for LEL).
go online at the same time and select the same start time. What you choose when you register for a place is not a preference, it is your start time. The only reason for not being able to choose the same timeslot, is if one registers, and then that start wave sells out before the other one registers
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Is there a process for getting the same start time as a friend/family member? Or is it a free-for-all and both riders simply try and get the same slot?
Me and my Dad would like to start together in PBP (which was a relatively simple process for LEL).
go online at the same time and select the same start time. What you choose when you register for a place is not a preference, it is your start time. The only reason for not being able to choose the same timeslot, is if one registers, and then that start wave sells out before the other one registers
That's good to know - thank you!
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
yeah, I put in my LEL number and it came up with someone else's BRM. Don't want to miss out on the first group for having done LEL instead of a 1000 BRM
That's exactly my experience. All my 600, 400, 300 and 200 BRM events are there but not the +1000 ones, ie LEL2022.
I search for my LEL homologation number (as found in the Audax UK website) and I'm getting someone else's homologation.
I tried adding Audax UK to my club in addition to the Kingston Wheelers I already had but nothing changed.
I'll keep trying but it feels to me there is something odd going on.
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
yeah, I put in my LEL number and it came up with someone else's BRM. Don't want to miss out on the first group for having done LEL instead of a 1000 BRM
That's exactly my experience. All my 600, 400, 300 and 200 BRM events are there but not the +1000 ones, ie LEL2022.
I search for my LEL homologation number (as found in the Audax UK website) and I'm getting someone else's homologation.
I tried adding Audax UK to my club in addition to the Kingston Wheelers I already had but nothing changed.
I'll keep trying but it feels to me there is something odd going on.
The organising body of LEL 2022 was LEL 2013. Maybe adding LEL 2013 to your clubs might do something.
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My personal problem is that I set up an account for PBP 2017 don't have the password and used a now non-existent email. Setting up a fresh account is I think confusing the config as my BRMs will remain linked to the old account.
And is it significant that LEL was an LRM not BRM homologation? Not a problem for me as I rode a 1000k in 2022.
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
yeah, I put in my LEL number and it came up with someone else's BRM. Don't want to miss out on the first group for having done LEL instead of a 1000 BRM
That's exactly my experience. All my 600, 400, 300 and 200 BRM events are there but not the +1000 ones, ie LEL2022.
I search for my LEL homologation number (as found in the Audax UK website) and I'm getting someone else's homologation.
I tried adding Audax UK to my club in addition to the Kingston Wheelers I already had but nothing changed.
I'll keep trying but it feels to me there is something odd going on.
The organising body of LEL 2022 was LEL 2013. Maybe adding LEL 2013 to your clubs might do something.
Thanks Phil great shout. Unfortunately I tried and it seems LEL 2013 or any combination of LEL does not exist as a club in the ACP records.
I'm guessing (and hoping) the message "Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list" means "don't worry, your LEL will be there at registration time".
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Thanks Phil great shout. Unfortunately I tried and it seems LEL 2013 or any combination of LEL does not exist as a club in the ACP records.
I'm guessing (and hoping) the message "Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list" means "don't worry, your LEL will be there at registration time".
If I was "hoping" to use a LRM as my pre-registration longest 2022 ride I would want to know well before Sat noon (14/Jan) how to enter the right number / club etc. There are several "contact" emails on the PBP 2023 site and I would be using them NOW to ask for clarification. Come noon Sat (Paris) there will be thousands of hopefulls hammering the system and probably hundreds of questions to be resolved.
Multi-language web sites can be tricky, strictly speaking “registration” depends on your 2023 qualifying SR but your pre-registration depends on 2022 longest ride, I would not make any assumptions that rely on interpretations of translations .
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I contacted them about the 1200+ events not being there yet and received the following response:
Hello,
Please come back on January 14. All the pages will have been updated.
Best regards,
Jean-Gualbert FABUREL
So looks like we'll just have to wait and hope they appear on the day.
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I contacted them about the 1200+ events not being there yet and received the following response:
Hello,
Please come back on January 14. All the pages will have been updated.
Best regards,
Jean-Gualbert FABUREL
So looks like we'll just have to wait and hope they appear on the day.
Good to know
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Under <Results> <BRM> I see all of my BRMs but not my LRMs.
At the top of the page I also see a note that states:
The French and 1200+ BRMs are not yet available!
Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list
On Saturday I assume that there will be loads of people who completed LEL etc wanting to register for PBP. I believe that the second line in this note is trying to say 'Don't worry about it - it will all become clear on Saturday and you will be able to register'. Does that interpretation seem reasonable?
That note has been there for more than 4 years, was there during the last 2019 pre-reg, don't know what it means
I wonder what number you put in to search for LRMs
yeah, I put in my LEL number and it came up with someone else's BRM. Don't want to miss out on the first group for having done LEL instead of a 1000 BRM
That's exactly my experience. All my 600, 400, 300 and 200 BRM events are there but not the +1000 ones, ie LEL2022.
I search for my LEL homologation number (as found in the Audax UK website) and I'm getting someone else's homologation.
I tried adding Audax UK to my club in addition to the Kingston Wheelers I already had but nothing changed.
I'll keep trying but it feels to me there is something odd going on.
The organising body of LEL 2022 was LEL 2013. Maybe adding LEL 2013 to your clubs might do something.
Thanks Phil great shout. Unfortunately I tried and it seems LEL 2013 or any combination of LEL does not exist as a club in the ACP records.
I'm guessing (and hoping) the message "Registration in the PBP does not depend on the results in this list" means "don't worry, your LEL will be there at registration time".
Maybe it’s not there as normally LEL isn’t the year before PBP and therefore they’d be no reason to put it as a club for finding pre qualifiers?
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That was where I had to add the organising club to my profile, whereupon my 1000 popped up with a confirm button when I searched for the homologation number. I imagine there is some Audax UK club number shenanigans going on that you need to sort out before the weekend.
The 1000km Randonee was in France while I am registered with Audax UK. I tried adding the organising club (RC Anjou) to my profile but it is not possible to do this without a French licence number...
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Is there a process for getting the same start time as a friend/family member? Or is it a free-for-all and both riders simply try and get the same slot?
Me and my Dad would like to start together in PBP (which was a relatively simple process for LEL).
go online at the same time and select the same start time. What you choose when you register for a place is not a preference, it is your start time. The only reason for not being able to choose the same timeslot, is if one registers, and then that start wave sells out before the other one registers
That's good to know - thank you!
That formula is fine if both riders have a longest as 1000 (or both 600 etc).
Otherwise, the 1000er should choose a later start time (say 45 minutes later) and the other rider, a fortnight later if a 600er, should be able pre-register and select the same start wave; mutatis mutandis. In 2019 I was travelling, huttoping (and wanted to start) with my fellow pub rider but he 'only' had a 600. Worked fine, and then we were switched 30 minutes earlier anyway in the 'big move'. Choose a non-on-the-hour start and best a 15/45. Be kind: leave the 00 starts to the arithmophobics.
Finally, now there's less than 36 hours to go, anyone with a 1000 really has no time pressure unless they really really want the first 90 hour wave: otherwise : all the start slots will all still be there for 13 days, even after a thousand plus have pre-registered.
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even after a thousand plus have pre-registered.
For the 2019 Pre-Reg there were 2,431 BRM 1000s and 1,617 LRMs in the prior (2018) year and these resulted in 1,990 pre-registrations at the end of the first 14 days (prior to 600 pre-reg starting). There is of course some overlap in the BRM 1000 and LRM groups and some greedy people who will have done multiple 1000s and / or LRMs so lets say 50% of the (obviously very keen) group pre-registers.
The BRM stats for 2022 have not yet been published so an unknown number of BRM 1000s but there were 2,857 LRMs in 2022, most of the difference from 2018 being 890 LELs, & 60 other UK LRMs, LEJOG etc and a few hundred extra in the rest of the world.
So if 2022 BRM 1000s are similar to 2018 then you might expect 2,600 pre-registrations from this first group, many in the first week (day?) but French non-FFCT persons can't pre-reg until the second week (21st).
Maybe the 890 LEL veterans will take some confidence from their achievement and will decide that PBP being much easier (1220 cf 1540kms) they will pre-reg en-masse and this will become known as the "British" PBP?
Can't see any separate counts yet for French / Non-French so those GE. 2500 / LE. 5500 quotas will likely be collated somewhere in the background and may effect pre-registrations later in the process ?
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Only one 90h "vélos spéciaux" this year (in my recollection two in 2019); does anyone know if there are limits for that group? About 150 (200?) participants in each startgroup I think?
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Only one 90h "vélos spéciaux" this year (in my recollection two in 2019); does anyone know if there are limits for that group? About 150 (200?) participants in each startgroup I think?
Iirc, they (ACP) upped the wave size to 300. 26 waves to allow 8000 starts suggests that sort of number.
I don't recall a second wave of 90hr VS, while I lounged in the field beside the track to the start/timing mat and marvelled at the esoteric end of the spectrum. Many hours later the experience of being passed by that German-powered triplet was a 'whooosh and gone' moment.
However some VSs started on Monday morning ?W
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VS is 90hr and 84hr only. No 80VS allowed.
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Is there a process for getting the same start time as a friend/family member? Or is it a free-for-all and both riders simply try and get the same slot?
Me and my Dad would like to start together in PBP (which was a relatively simple process for LEL).
go online at the same time and select the same start time. What you choose when you register for a place is not a preference, it is your start time. The only reason for not being able to choose the same timeslot, is if one registers, and then that start wave sells out before the other one registers
That's good to know - thank you!
That formula is fine if both riders have a longest as 1000 (or both 600 etc).
Otherwise, the 1000er should choose a later start time (say 45 minutes later) and the other rider, a fortnight later if a 600er, should be able pre-register and select the same start wave; mutatis mutandis. In 2019 I was travelling, huttoping (and wanted to start) with my fellow pub rider but he 'only' had a 600. Worked fine, and then we were switched 30 minutes earlier anyway in the 'big move'. Choose a non-on-the-hour start and best a 15/45. Be kind: leave the 00 starts to the arithmophobics.
Finally, now there's less than 36 hours to go, anyone with a 1000 really has no time pressure unless they really really want the first 90 hour wave: otherwise : all the start slots will all still be there for 13 days, even after a thousand plus have pre-registered.
or the 1000er can just wait until the 600 can register, after all the places are not all going to run out, and this way they don't have to guess which time slots will still be available. That is, if riding together has a higher priority than getting a premium start time.
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I contacted them about the 1200+ events not being there yet and received the following response:
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Please come back on January 14. All the pages will have been updated.
They now link to https://www.randonneur.me/index.html (https://www.randonneur.me/index.html) on your BRM results page but that just gives you the number that is also on your validated LEL card.
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I contacted them about the 1200+ events not being there yet and received the following response:
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Please come back on January 14. All the pages will have been updated.
They now link to https://www.randonneur.me/index.html (https://www.randonneur.me/index.html) on your BRM results page but that just gives you the number that is also on your validated LEL card.
I am hoping/expecting that there will be somewhere on the pre-registration form where we can put our relevant BRM or LRM numbers. We will find out in a couple of hours time.
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"Database connexion error."
;D
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'Database connexion error' ::-)
I guess it is popular!
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Looks like it's going to be a long morning!
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Same here, no surprise :)
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'502 Bad Gateway'
Is that progress?
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502 Bad Gateway
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just keep refreshing - I'm sure that'll help the servers at the other end ;)
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The whole website is really struggling.
Though at exactly 11am, the register page did update and I was able to enter my homologation number (but yeah I then got the database connection error...).
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The whole website is really struggling.
Though at exactly 11am, the register page did update and I was able to enter my homologation number (but yeah I then got the database connection error...).
same ... now everything's dead - sweet !
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I'll try again later. Don't take all the good spots, you lot, if you do manage to get in!
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I'll try again later. Don't take all the good spots, you lot, if you do manage to get in!
Pretty sure you can change your start time in the coming months as there will be many spaces vacated by people dropping out.
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The good thing is that every time you hit the database error you can just refresh the page and continue from there (instead of having to start all over from logging in). Another good news: it did find my LEL homologation number :thumbsup:
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Same here - found my homologation number, looked promising, crashed, still crashed...
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I like the way that it randomly stutters into life to tease you then goes 'NOPE' :hand:
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Done.
1800 start in the 90 hour group.
All fairly straightforward once I got in there. Only minor glitch was when I forgot to select my club.
Back to icing my knee ::-)
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How do you know if it's worked?!
It took me to Paypal page, I paid and it takes you back to registration page.
But I haven't had an email except for the PayPal receipt.
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Done.
1800 start in the 90 hour group.
All fairly straightforward once I got in there. Only minor glitch was when I forgot to select my club.
Back to icing my knee ::-)
Exactly the same for me, missed the club tick box for a little while, then also selected 1800 start.
Back to cleaning the kitchen ::-)
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yup - I'm in at last !
to check I'd actually got in I had to try and register again, at which point it told me I'd already entered .... they've got my payment from PayPal too,so I guess I'll have to leave it there and wait for an email !
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I got logged in about 4 times, each time I responded to the page displayed, lost connection, then when I reconnected again, I would be a stage further down the process and then eventually made my payment. So basically, even if you lose connection, the cogs are still working to what you last submitted.
But, my LEL homolumigation ( I know its spelt wrong, brain fog from catching covid) number would not work and still does not show up in the results page as it was supposed to do so we was informed in another posting, luckily I had a "1000" from earlier in the year.
Confirmation Email for payment received,
So I am in, 18:15, same time as my two earlier PBP's so I don't have to replan my timings so much, and will be my 3rd and last time.
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Anyone kindly post a link to the registration page?
Andy Corless
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registration link (https://myaccount.audax-club-parisien.com/)
I'm starting at 17:15 :thumbsup:
Now waiting for my vélo special to be build and delivered...
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384 places gone in the first hour.
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Thanks for adding the link - I "think" I've registered ...
5th and probably last time ...
Andy Corless
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Well that was simple enough, 90 hour group with 18:00 start time. No site crashes or glitches, just straight through, so I guess my lackadaisical approach gave enough time for all you well organised types to fully test the system. ;D
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It looks like me and Dad managed to get a spot in the 1730 group. We got the paypal email receipt but not official confirmation from PBP - I assume that's the same for everyone else?
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Tried at 11am without success but got on just before noon and now signed up into the final 80 hr group. (I f**king hated the A start in 2019; hopefully it'll be a lot calmer at the back of the vedettes rather than the front!)
I assume that's the same for everyone else?
Same for me and others I've been in touch with.
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It looks We got the paypal email receipt but not official confirmation from PBP - I assume that's the same for everyone else?
To confirm you have managed to enter if your in doubt, just try rentering again with the same details and eventually just before the payment step, it will tell you that you have registered.
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Just (45 minutes after completing the registration) got the email confirmation from ACP.
[edit] and two more emails, one of them saying "Amount remaining to be paid: 50€" while paypal shows I paid...
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I'm in: 18:00 start. Again resisted the temptation to go for a slow 80 hour PBP.
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How do you get a homologation number if there is not one showing in my Audax UK results ?
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To confirm you have managed to enter if your in doubt, just try rentering again with the same details and eventually just before the payment step, it will tell you that you have registered.
:thumbsup:
How do you get a homologation number if there is not one showing in my Audax UK results ?
Try looking up details here for LRM rides: https://randonneur.me/
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The PBP Website seems to be working again but the Rider "Follow-up" link doesn't appear to work.
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/how-to-register/
Andy Corless
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registration link (https://myaccount.audax-club-parisien.com/)
I'm starting at 17:15 :thumbsup:
Now waiting for my vélo special to be build and delivered...
Why not join in with us trikies? I'm sure we could loan you a barrow. :demon:..but seriously however your 'special needs' are realised, see you at the depart!
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and two more emails, one of them saying "Amount remaining to be paid: 50€" while paypal shows I paid...
Same for me, when i logged in to check it has recorded the payment is received however! :thumbsup:
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Been for a long ride with my wife in the wind and rain 🌧️, got home shower and tea, some chat then remembered pre registration had opened today. Registered at 17:23 and nice and smooth and no crashes.
I’m in the 90hr Special Needs group - 17:15 start.
The content of the last email (they send 3 emails in addition to PayPal one) once you’ve paid is
Bonjour,
Nous avons le plaisir de vous confirmer votre préinscription au Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur
Les inscriptions seront ouvertes du 27/05/2023 au 02/07/2023
Nous vous rappelons que votre préinscription sera annulée si vous ne vous êtes pas inscrit avant le 20/06/2023
Cordialement,
L'ACP
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How do you know if it's worked?!
It took me to Paypal page, I paid and it takes you back to registration page.
But I haven't had an email except for the PayPal receipt.
Never got my emails, but it’s appearing when I log in now so all good. Got my G start as I wanted. Good news!
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...and now I have received an email to tell me that I am 'validated'.
There are still nearly 6000 places left for Deano :thumbsup:
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The rule on aero bars is:
For safety reasons, the use of extenders is strongly disadvised in peloton
(The French is pretty much the same)
So you can fit what you like, just don’t use them when riding in a big group.
This is good to know. I suffered nerve damage in my hands on LEL last year (they are still not right!), and was planning on using aero bars for PBP to take the pressure off. Obviously wouldn't use them in a group.
A friend ( @vorsprung OTP) addressed this in his blog a while ago, which might help: https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/hand-numbness-and-long-distance-riding/
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My PBP inscription email took over 24hrs to arrive. I didn’t think I was being that difficult.
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...and now I have received an email to tell me that I am 'validated'.
There are still nearly 6000 places left for Deano :thumbsup:
Yeah got that today, my 4th email from them for my pre registration.
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I need to tweak my inscription details but, despite the ACP email suggesting that I can alter my records via a supplied link, no luck so far. I will wait a week or so and try again.
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...and now I have received an email to tell me that I am 'validated'.
There are still nearly 6000 places left for Deano :thumbsup:
Very thoughtful, Jon, but I got my entry in yesterday afternoon (17.30 since you asked)
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In for 18:15, after procrastinating all weekend, 15 minutes later than last time.
Contemplated taking an 80hr slot, but figured there is no need to increase the risk of failure.
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Forgot pre-reg was Saturday. All the 90 hour 6pm slots gone so got 6:15, for now.
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Hi All
Just a quick question; As an Audax UK member, is the public liability element of the insurance requirement for rides in Europe covered ?
Cheers
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Hi All
Just a quick question; As an Audax UK member, is the public liability element of the insurance requirement for rides in Europe covered ?
Cheers
I don't think so, I'm sure it only covers Audax UK, so calendar events, perms and DIYs in the UK.
Last time I bought insurance from Dogtag £50
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Hi All
Just a quick question; As an Audax UK member, is the public liability element of the insurance requirement for rides in Europe covered ?
Cheers
It doesn't. I'm not even sure it covers Perms/DIY/ECE. https://www.audax.uk/about-us/insurance/
If you are a CyclingUK member you get third party coverage worldwide except US and Canada. Audax is specifically included.
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Using some of the figures quoted from the 2019 registration thread, a 2019 v. 2023 comparison of places left is as follows
On 21 January 2019
80hr 1043
90hr 2781
84hr 710
TOTAL 4534
On 18 January 2023
80hr 887
90hr 3205
84hr 1317
TOTAL 5409
So it looks like slightly (but not wildly) higher levels of pre registration enthusiasm v. 2019 (in part at least a result of LEL22 being out of sync?)
Mind you I cant recall exactly how many extra places were added for 2023 I have 1000 in mind but may have been a bit more.
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It looks like I might be riding tandem again at PBP, with Steve Bateman this time. I should remember how my previous stoker and I linked our pre-registrations (second rider to pre-register put the other's entry number into a comments box?) but is there a definitive guide for PBP tandemists somewhere? I've not found one.
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Me neither. I was wondering how to do it, and I'll be riding when my window opens, so will need to do it fairly quickly on my phone.
I'll certainly shout if I find something.
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Just had a look 👀 in my complete pre registration. The only * comment showing is that tandem and triplet riders must both register. Nothing more than that.
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From vague memory, the second rider to enter could use the first rider's pre-registration priority. This is important because Steve did not complete any BRMs last year.
I think that last time (but can't remember) that my stoker used my PBP entry number to allow him to register before he could do without but I have no idea how he did it.
I might just send an email to ACP and hopefully get a definitive answer.
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From vague memory, the second rider to enter could use the first rider's pre-registration priority. This is important because Steve did not complete any BRMs last year.
The Rules Article 4 says, “ For a multi-rider vehicle, the rider who rode the longest BRM (or RM1200 and +) will initiate the preregistration, so that their co-rider(s) will get the same priority to preregister.”
https://www.paris-brest-paris.org/en/rules/
but does not say how.
Perhaps when you pre-register and select Special - Tandem there might be an additional entry field or instruction?
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Maybe but I didn’t originally plan on doing another tandem PBP, so I hadn’t entered in that category and I can’t currently swap anything.
An email has been sent to an old friend (completed 12xPBP) to find out how to shuffle things around.
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My PBP entry has been swapped to Tandem and as expected, a section has appeared:
“Tandem
Please indicate the number of the previous entry form (ex: PBP-9881)
(Leave blank if you are the first to register)”
I have asked for the official solution/ process (e.g. email address) if PBP fills up before unprequalified tandem riders can enter.
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Thanks, that's very helpful. My stoker is also without BRM.
He's also currently nursing a fractured pelvis and a sciatica flare-up, so this may prove to be academic, but it's only February so let's not plan for failure!
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The ACP response is the second tandem team member can pre-register using the first rider's BRM brevet details (but their own personal details), after the first rider has completed pre-registration. It may take a couple of days for the system to make the second rider's pre-registration official though. There is no burning hurry for the second rider to pre-register. The tandem team's pre-registration is primarily driven by the first rider to pre-register and then the normal qualification/ etc. processes for both riders to get to the start line.
I have been told that tandemists will likely have some places allowed for them (particularly mixte or femme teams), even when pre-registration has closed for solos. I imagine that the "Don't be a dick" rule might apply.
Good luck for your stoker to heal well and rapidly. I personally know of two riders who successfully finished PBP with broken pelvises(!) but apparently they were long painful rides.
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Thanks, very helpful.
I recall one from 2011 who was struggling to walk after climbing off at the end. My stoker made it to the pub on Wednesday and was moving more freely than that!
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All, can I request for a help. Completely lost with PBP registration.
as registrations have opened for us who were only able to do up to 200, struggling to get the homologation number.
Did the malmesbury mash and the bomber county but unable to find the homologation number for either (not even sure if that's the right question to ask). Any help appreciated.
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All, can I request for a help. Completely lost with PBP registration.
as registrations have opened for us who were only able to do up to 200, struggling to get the homologation number.
Did the malmesbury mash and the bomber county but unable to find the homologation number for either (not even sure if that's the right question to ask). Any help appreciated.
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Unfortunately both of those events appear to have been BR (audax UK brevets) rather than BRM (recognised by ACP)
If you look for you member results with your auk number, on a page which looks like this
https://www.audax.uk/results/?memId=19303&searchId=Individual&seasonId=2022,
the number you need would be in the "ACP Ref" column
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All, can I request for a help. Completely lost with PBP registration.
as registrations have opened for us who were only able to do up to 200, struggling to get the homologation number.
Did the malmesbury mash and the bomber county but unable to find the homologation number for either (not even sure if that's the right question to ask). Any help appreciated.
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Unfortunately both of those events appear to have been BR (audax UK brevets) rather than BRM (recognised by ACP)
If you look for you member results with your auk number, on a page which looks like this
https://www.audax.uk/results/?memId=19303&searchId=Individual&seasonId=2022,
the number you need would be in the "ACP Ref" column
Thank you. Yep, those columns are blank. In which case I guess I'll need to wait for the zero BRM registration in about 10 days time.
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Afternoon All
This will be my first PBP and I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to the likely condition of the roads for the event. I'm used to cycling the pot hole strewn lanes of the South East and am wondering about tyre choices for the event.
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Afternoon All
This will be my first PBP and I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to the likely condition of the roads for the event. I'm used to cycling the pot hole strewn lanes of the South East and am wondering about tyre choices for the event.
My recollection from the 2015 edition is very few potholes, but a lot of buzzy tar-and-chip surface.
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I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
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I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o26tewmqw4wvaC6jZfwhjaMGGn_tqwrE/view?usp=drivesdk
Page 20 onwards for 2019 control times if that helps
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I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
after excessive time spent pondering schedules in 2019 and making a battle plan that didn't survive contact with the enemy ride. I am running with a simple plan.
Ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride to finish
I don't think they have been released yet, 90 hour times will be approximately as follows I expect based on last time
Villaines - 14:28 hours after starting
Fougeres - 20:34
Tinteniac - 24:15
Loudeac 30:19
Carhaix 35:35
Brest - 42:06
Carhaix - 48:04
Loudeac - 54:53
Tinteniac - 61:32
Fougeres - 65:41
Villaines - 72:46
Mortagne - (can't read this it was stamped over) probably around 79:30
Dreux - 86:16
Rambouillet - 90
didn't see this post before working that out
I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o26tewmqw4wvaC6jZfwhjaMGGn_tqwrE/view?usp=drivesdk
Page 20 onwards for 2019 control times if that helps
But note that in that document open times and closing times are based on the first start wave, they are not necessarily your times.
In the brevet car provided at the start opening times were based on first wave and closing times were based on the last wave. Bear this in mind when out on the road, don't rely on the printed times.
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Afternoon All
This will be my first PBP and I was wondering if someone could enlighten me as to the likely condition of the roads for the event. I'm used to cycling the pot hole strewn lanes of the South East and am wondering about tyre choices for the event.
Rode a few sections near the route close to Le Mans last weekend, suggested that French roads are in a similar state to what they have been in previous editions, which is generally good, and an order of magnitude better than the South East. Some of the surfaces are quite heavy - the tar has worn leaving a washboard effect. They also have a penchant for speed bumps and other traffic calming measures in pretty much every village, which can get a bit tiresome, but wouldn't impact tire choice.
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I am running with a simple plan.
Ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride to finish
I've had the same plan pretty much all three occasions I've [somehow] managed to get round, and it's pretty similar to yours, but there are differences.
Ride until I need to sleep - carry on regardless, pressing continuously up against the control times - ride until I really do need to sleep - ignoring the signals yet again, carry on regardless, now sitting right on top of the control closing times - start hallucinating, but somehow find a fresh supply of adrenaline and cortisol to damage the nervous system even more.......and somehow, miraculously, make it to the finish. Then.......finally, fall over.
It's a plan that doesn't really need a great deal of revision.
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I am running with a simple plan.
Ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride to finish
I've had the same plan pretty much all three occasions I've [somehow] managed to get round, and it's pretty similar to yours, but there are differences.
Ride until I need to sleep - carry on regardless, pressing continuously up against the control times - ride until I really do need to sleep - ignoring the signals yet again, carry on regardless, now sitting right on top of the control closing times - start hallucinating, but somehow find a fresh supply of adrenaline and cortisol to damage the nervous system even more.......and somehow, miraculously, make it to the finish. Then.......finally, fall over.
It's a plan that doesn't really need a great deal of revision.
Met a guy at the end who'd done the LEL four times, and the PBP I
think 3 times, and he's doing the PBP again this year. Decent bloke, but some people are just plain insane :-)
;)
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Met a guy at the end who'd done the LEL four times, and the PBP I
think 3 times, and he's doing the PBP again this year. Decent bloke, but some people are just plain insane :-)
:D
You...Salvatore, are a very naughty boy!
Have you got nothing better to do? ;)
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I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
after excessive time spent pondering schedules in 2019 and making a battle plan that didn't survive contact with the enemy ride. I am running with a simple plan.
Ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride to finish
I don't think they have been released yet, 90 hour times will be approximately as follows I expect based on last time
Villaines - 14:28 hours after starting
Fougeres - 20:34
Tinteniac - 24:15
Loudeac 30:19
Carhaix 35:35
Brest - 42:06
Carhaix - 48:04
Loudeac - 54:53
Tinteniac - 61:32
Fougeres - 65:41
Villaines - 72:46
Mortagne - (can't read this it was stamped over) probably around 79:30
Dreux - 86:16
Rambouillet - 90
didn't see this post before working that out
I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o26tewmqw4wvaC6jZfwhjaMGGn_tqwrE/view?usp=drivesdk
Page 20 onwards for 2019 control times if that helps
But note that in that document open times and closing times are based on the first start wave, they are not necessarily your times.
In the brevet car provided at the start opening times were based on first wave and closing times were based on the last wave. Bear this in mind when out on the road, don't rely on the printed times.
Thank you! Very useful.
I am aiming for sub 80h (Wave M - 90h 19:00 departure time) and taking a long break in Brest. I booked a room in Brest with 24h check-in just in case weather, mechanicals, etc delay my estimated arrival time. Not much planned for the return leg.
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In the 90 hour wave starting at 7, you could be looking at getting to Brest around midnight on Monday night. if you are on course for 80 hours.
last time I arrived at Carhaix at about 20:00 on Monday, and slept there. Rising before dawn to get to Brest around 08:00 Tuesday. If I had booked a room in Brest I would have pushed on, but I was worried about the event dormitories being full when I got there. Carhaix was totally packed when I woke up.
I would like to get to Brest by Monday night this time and leave there at sunrise, hopefully making the return journey only in daylight, but many things may impact that, including weather, so I'm trying not to get too attached to a plan.
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[getting nearer]
naive question: on the registration page, does a recumbent trike count as a 'trike' or 'special bike'? :-\
[can't believe it matters that much, but best get it right]
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You can choose either. Velo couche seems to be the recumbent catchall.
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You can choose either. Velo couche seems to be the recumbent catchall.
Ta, thought as much.
I see the 'camping-car' package[?] has become an option again. And then there's free parking????
Ummmm.....really enjoy the rides down and back, but I'll be in knee conservation mode this time so might have to drive down...
Need to investigate further...
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You can choose either. Velo couche seems to be the recumbent catchall.
Ta, thought as much.
I see the 'camping-car' package[?] has become an option again. And then there's free parking????
Ummmm.....really enjoy the rides down and back, but I'll be in knee conservation mode this time so might have to drive down...
Need to investigate further...
The "Camping-car package", is for camper vans and €30 for the week and families etc stay in them whilst the PBP entrant rides the event.
The free car parking option is for those who leave their cars whilst they ride the event.
Either option should have been ticked when you filled out your registration form online and probably as in 2019 you pick up your vehicle pass when you pick up your documentation on the Saturday or other day you selected to pick the documentation up unless the procedure has changed this year.
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Amongst the penalties is:
Taking down arrows signs before the end of the brevet 1 h
I don't recall this penalty from my previous PBPs and have collected outbound signs at each of them, taking care to collect them on the return leg well after any outbound rider could need them and also from junctions with multiple signs. I treasure my PBP souvenirs. At the last PBP, I vaguely recall somebody handing out arrow signs at the finish. Is this practice likely to be the case this year?
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pretty sure this was a thing 4 years ago.
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pretty sure this was a thing 4 years ago.
Maybe but there didn't seem to be any repercussions when we rode into the finish with PBP arrows strapped to the outside of the saddle bag.
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pretty sure this was a thing 4 years ago.
Maybe but there didn't seem to be any repercussions when we rode into the finish with PBP arrows strapped to the outside of the saddle bag.
Stereotypically French, make lots of rules, but be lax about enforcing them.
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pretty sure this was a thing 4 years ago.
Maybe but there didn't seem to be any repercussions when we rode into the finish with PBP arrows strapped to the outside of the saddle bag.
Stereotypically French, make lots of rules, but be lax about enforcing them.
The idea of the rule is to stop people removing the arrows as they approach the finish. The people removing them are ok but those behind are less ok.
So just don't take down the arrows. Last time I went to the office at the end and got a couple of "new" unused arrows from the pile there
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8 years ago they used a replica sign as the serving plate for the meal at the finish.
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I don't recall this penalty from my previous PBPs and have collected outbound signs at each of them, taking care to collect them on the return leg well after any outbound rider could need them and also from junctions with multiple signs. I treasure my PBP souvenirs. At the last PBP, I vaguely recall somebody handing out arrow signs at the finish. Is this practice likely to be the case this year?
I guess I will pick up a couple of proper signs at the finish line for my stoker and I.
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Among the documents available after you are assigned your plate number, exhibit I says:
We will give souvenir arrows to all participants; If you remove those from the route, you penalize the following randonneurs and you incur a penalty of one hour.
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I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
after excessive time spent pondering schedules in 2019 and making a battle plan that didn't survive contact with the enemy ride. I am running with a simple plan.
Ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride until I need to sleep - sleep - ride to finish
I don't think they have been released yet, 90 hour times will be approximately as follows I expect based on last time
Villaines - 14:28 hours after starting
Fougeres - 20:34
Tinteniac - 24:15
Loudeac 30:19
Carhaix 35:35
Brest - 42:06
Carhaix - 48:04
Loudeac - 54:53
Tinteniac - 61:32
Fougeres - 65:41
Villaines - 72:46
Mortagne - (can't read this it was stamped over) probably around 79:30
Dreux - 86:16
Rambouillet - 90
didn't see this post before working that out
I am starting to plan my sleep strategy for PBP 2023. Are control points closing times published anywhere?
I could not find them on the PBP site.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o26tewmqw4wvaC6jZfwhjaMGGn_tqwrE/view?usp=drivesdk
Page 20 onwards for 2019 control times if that helps
But note that in that document open times and closing times are based on the first start wave, they are not necessarily your times.
In the brevet car provided at the start opening times were based on first wave and closing times were based on the last wave. Bear this in mind when out on the road, don't rely on the printed times.
Thank you! Very useful.
I am aiming for sub 80h (Wave M - 90h 19:00 departure time) and taking a long break in Brest. I booked a room in Brest with 24h check-in just in case weather, mechanicals, etc delay my estimated arrival time. Not much planned for the return leg.
Official control closing times are available in the PBP registration site, after logging in under 'documents'
J2 - Horaires de passages dans les contrôles
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Documen t J2 (available from logging into your registration and "view documents" shows control open and close times based on a 1730 start
However it also says (my bold)
"Start on Sunday, Aug. 20, 2023 (90 h time limit) (calculated on the basis of a start at 17h30, to be adjusted to your real start time)
You will have the schedules of your departure wave on your brevet card"
suggesting that brevet cards will be bespoke to each departure wave so no mental arithmetic will be required.
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You will have the schedules of your departure wave on your brevet card"
suggesting that brevet cards will be bespoke to each departure wave so no mental arithmetic will be required.
I'd be wary of relying on that without at least a sense check before departure - I have a vague memory of the 2019 cards having something unholy like control opening times for the first wave but closing times for the final wave of 90h starters, so plenty of scope to be lulled into a false sense of security
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You will have the schedules of your departure wave on your brevet card"
suggesting that brevet cards will be bespoke to each departure wave so no mental arithmetic will be required.
I'd be wary of relying on that without at least a sense check before departure - I have a vague memory of the 2019 cards having something unholy like control opening times for the first wave but closing times for the final wave of 90h starters, so plenty of scope to be lulled into a false sense of security
agreed, they were definitely not bespoke to your own wave.
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You will have the schedules of your departure wave on your brevet card"
suggesting that brevet cards will be bespoke to each departure wave so no mental arithmetic will be required.
I'd be wary of relying on that without at least a sense check before departure - I have a vague memory of the 2019 cards having something unholy like control opening times for the first wave but closing times for the final wave of 90h starters, so plenty of scope to be lulled into a false sense of security
agreed, they were definitely not bespoke to your own wave.
Yes, I was quite surprised to see it suggested that cards would have open/close times that are wave specific (a significant printing faff to have 10 or so different versions v. one) so a check before the start while compos mentis would definitely be a good idea.
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My stoker and I nearly got caught out at PBP19, having assumed that the brevet cards would be similarly arranged to PBP15. In 2015, the cards had the opening and closing times of the first wave only (of the 80hr, 90hr and 84hr starts). Our team was organised on the basis of the captain was in charge of things actually happening on the road and the stoker was in charge of everything else, including staying within the control times.
It was a bit of a surprise to be told by a newbie PBPer at Carhaix (EDIT: Sizun) on the return that our tandem was almost timing out because we had plenty of time until the control closed, according to our brevet card. We altered our team approach after that and ended up only a single minute slower than when we finished PBP15.
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My stoker and I nearly got caught out at PBP19, having assumed that the brevet cards would be similarly arranged to PBP15. In 2015, the cards had the opening and closing times of the first wave only (of the 80hr, 90hr and 84hr starts). Our team was organised on the basis of the captain was in charge of things actually happening on the road and the stoker was in charge of everything else, including staying within the control times.
It was a bit of a surprise to be told by a newbie PBPer at Carhaix on the return that our tandem was almost timing out because we had plenty of time until the control closed, according to our brevet card. We altered our team approach after that and ended up only a single minute slower than we finished PBP15.
I remember the conversation but I thought it was in Sizun, when I was on the return leg? I'm pretty sure I was the newbie ;D
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Maybe, my PBP memories are always a little hazy.
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Yes, I was quite surprised to see it suggested that cards would have open/close times that are wave specific (a significant printing faff to have 10 or so different versions v. one)
...but we seem to manage it on LEL.
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The "Camping-car package", is for camper vans and €30 for the week and families etc stay in them whilst the PBP entrant rides the event.
Just to take my mind off compulsory-lid rage, I was looking at a map of Rambouillet included in the documents folder and unless I've overlooked the obvious, couldn't see a clear reference to where the 'Camping-Car package' might be situated....is it on the main site where the start is, or over near Huttopia?
Ta.
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
Thanks
Fingers crossed for my old banger getting me down there!
Need to get to Halfords this weekend to get a UK sticker, red triangle [got hi-viz].....do folk bother with the head-light adjustment stickers [if you're not intending to drive at night...never know of course]?
Suppose I should have in the motor anyway.
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
Thanks
Fingers crossed for my old banger getting me down there!
Need to get to Halfords this weekend to get a UK sticker, red triangle [got hi-viz].....do folk bother with the head-light adjustment stickers [if you're not intending to drive at night...never know of course]?
Suppose I should have in the motor anyway.
Don’t forget breathalysers.
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
Thanks
Fingers crossed for my old banger getting me down there!
Need to get to Halfords this weekend to get a UK sticker, red triangle [got hi-viz].....do folk bother with the head-light adjustment stickers [if you're not intending to drive at night...never know of course]?
Suppose I should have in the motor anyway.
Don’t forget breathalysers.
Yes, I've had conflicting opinions from friends on this.
For then hassle it might save, I'll get a couple, but It would 'appear' that this stipulation was dropped in 2020.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200108/france-to-finally-scrap-law-obliging-drivers-to-keep-breathalysers-in-cars
RAC seems to confirm the above.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/driving-in-europe/top-tips-for-driving-through-france/
[lot less faffing about when cycling down, but I must protect my right knee knee a bit...especially coming back]
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
The route on Openrunner ends just inside the gate (mirroring the start) and I'm hoping that's where the finish line will be rather than having to ride into town then all the way up to the Bergerie.
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It is adjacent to the starting area. You will ride along it just before the finish line.
The route on Openrunner ends just inside the gate (mirroring the start) and I'm hoping that's where the finish line will be rather than having to ride into town then all the way up to the Bergerie.
In 2019, their was two finish lines, one just outside the courtyard and before it on the road as you approached the area where we did our admin etc.
And after passing under that finish line, you turned left into the courtyard, did a circuit around it, under some buntings if I recall and you was finished. I jumped off my bike halfway round that one, bouncing over the cobblestones did my derriere no favours.
If my memory serves me right from what I was told, the first finish with the large wooden archway was where the timing chip recorded your time and the second was the official one where you was cheered, meeted and greeted etc. When I got there about 09:30, there was barely anyone around at the finish and their was still hours to go.
Also just recalled, I rode past my parked car, but on that long straight heading to the finush, I was not amused by the amount of people walking on the road heading to and away from the finish and cars using it and you had to ride round them when all I wanted to do was finish without my brain being mentally challenged picking a route around obstacles.
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Where are the control open and close times set out? I can't find anything on the official site.
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Got it, it's in one of the documents in my registration area on the site.
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Good day all , does anyone know if we receive our physical bike number in the post this week or if we collect in Paris ? Thanks
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It's one of the things you collect on Saturday/
(or Sunday, if you're one of those people)
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Good day all , does anyone know if we receive our physical bike number in the post this week or if we collect in Paris ? Thanks
You'll receive it in Paris, as stated in annex C where it's called frame badge
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Thanks both - I’d forgotten I’d been asked by PBP to choose a pick up time !
Another ask - Does anyone have a single gpx file for the route they could share ?
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Here's a link to the official route : https://www.openrunner.com/route-details/16576813
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Brevet card now confirmed to show wave specific open / close times
See below - 2030 start has Brest close 1249 Tue then last finish 1430 = 90 hrs
Interestingly this is printed on the back page of the brevet book, no times are shown at each control box in the interieur
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53125250801_07e70fd8a0_k.jpg)