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Title: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 24 February, 2014, 08:10:41 pm
Autodesk. For a company that charges $$$$ how hard is it to have software that can actually read and write properly to a Samba share?

I can't do a f^&*$( thing with it because every time ti tries to read my home directory it claims it can't find files that are hiding in plain sight.

can't find Blah Blah Blah enu/support/thingy
Well don't install it under enu/Support/thingy then.
Rename folder.
Still can't find it

Is it really such a bloated piece of &*( or is it my sysadmins screwing up roaming profile mounting?

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 24 February, 2014, 09:35:32 pm
A former colleague went to work for Autodesk in the mid noughties. I told him to pass on the message "rip it up and start again".

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 24 February, 2014, 10:17:21 pm
I thought installing it was bad. Trying to work out how to use the thing is not much fun, especially in a tiny remote desktop window over a crappy virgin media cable connection.

It may get filed next to 'Visual Basic' in the box of technologies I am not allowed to use in polite company.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 February, 2014, 10:27:48 pm
Arduino Ethernet modules that don't speak IPv6.  Who thought that was a good idea?

(Yes, I know the WizNet 5100 has been around for ages.  It's still a bit stupid though.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 25 February, 2014, 07:53:56 am
Arduino Ethernet modules that don't speak IPv6.  Who thought that was a good idea?

(Yes, I know the WizNet 5100 has been around for ages.  It's still a bit stupid though.)

Surely that's just a software issue as IP is not Ethernet it's L3 (media Independence being one of the points of IP). And yes I know some devices offload L3 processing into hardware for better performance but unless its an L3 switch that shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 February, 2014, 01:31:56 pm
Arduino Ethernet modules that don't speak IPv6.  Who thought that was a good idea?

(Yes, I know the WizNet 5100 has been around for ages.  It's still a bit stupid though.)

Surely that's just a software issue as IP is not Ethernet it's L3 (media Independence being one of the points of IP). And yes I know some devices offload L3 processing into hardware for better performance but unless its an L3 switch that shouldn't be an issue.

Yes, but the WizNet 5100 (around which most Arduino Ethernet shields are based) is a system-onna-chip that takes Ethernet on one end and gives you serial on another.  The entire stack, from physical layer to TCP socket is effectively untouchable, other than basic configuration.

You can use a less integrated chipset and do the TCP/IP stuff on the Arduino, but that can be a resource hog.  Or roll your own hardware (either with something more capable, or a dedicated micro).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 25 February, 2014, 02:12:37 pm
Lovely boss sends an email saying boss3 has finally got a date  of end of March for upgrade of our building's 10Mbit network to be upgraded (building of 50ish ppl, many of us working on stuff on servers elsecampus)...

The irony of the fucking outlook/network combo hanging and going into "I'm going to have a meltdown" mode as I tried to reply with HURRAH \o/ to my boss was not lost on me.  Had to kill everything using the network and start again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 February, 2014, 02:17:56 pm
Lovely boss sends an email saying boss3 has finally got a date  of end of March for upgrade of our building's 10Mbit network to be upgraded (building of 50ish ppl, many of us working on stuff on servers elsecampus)...

Men in hi-vis sighted peering into a manhole at the end of your road a couple of hours ago.  Anything's possible...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 February, 2014, 08:16:03 pm
As I've been travelling I've not got around to installing the secretsquirrelertificate required by the mothership for access to the all-sites WLAN (remember the bit at the Independence Day, it's a bit like that, and gives you the power to put rude messages on our Times Square billboard). But we have a guest WLAN that's absolutely not for humans, but hey, if they Unit 084935 to be productive. Go to reception sayeth the instructions (for some reason in medieval voice, ye olde receptione). So I goeth (o stop ye) and the nice lady gives a page of instructions. Ah-ha, think (don't!) I.

On the print out, after the preamble it says click here for instructions.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 26 February, 2014, 01:34:16 am
Lovely boss sends an email saying boss3 has finally got a date  of end of March for upgrade of our building's 10Mbit network to be upgraded (building of 50ish ppl, many of us working on stuff on servers elsecampus)...

Men in hi-vis sighted peering into a manhole at the end of your road a couple of hours ago.  Anything's possible...

Yeah we saw them, we were in the meeting room they walked past as they walked past the window behind me and Dawn kindly clued me and Patrick upto what everyone was rubbernecking at.  Your SMS came in during our meeting.

The plan is to cable us to the building where you were!  Last we'd heard it was "being quoted for" 7 weeks after boss3 promised my boss1 that he would push it cos there was nothing else short of $SpecialistDatabaseWeNeedTM that he could do to make our jobs more doable... 4 months is quite fast for the university *eyerolls* 

It may also be helping I am putting tickets into helldesk about three times a week, every time the fucking shitpile of a website (which is not our local network, it's just SHIT) is shit I helldesk it with screenshots and data.  Every time the network is especially crappy and nothing works. I helldesk that with screenshots and data...  I have been encouraging colleagues to write polite, friendly, detailed trouble reports little and often to helldesk with Dear Helpdesk and Many thanks and pleases and thank yous and stuff in them. I figure if our error reporting rate spikes someone will care enough to pass it up the chain :D  Don't get mad, get reporting!   I know IT say half the actual errors we get are from software not handling the network contention gracefully :D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 01 March, 2014, 09:14:01 pm
Microsoft
 - Visual Studio 12*
    Removal of the Deployment Wizard
    Forcing the use of InstallShield.

InstallShield was crap 15 years ago.  It's _still_ crap and the Limited Edition? Dear Christ! That's not limited that's crippled.  Just get a _fucking_ grip you _stupid_ bastards and reinstate the DW.

And while we're about it.  A _manual_ conversion from MVC2 to MVC3?  How absolutely fucking brilliant!

*Which deserves a 10 page rant all of its very own if only because of the appallingly unusable "monochrome" skin.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 March, 2014, 09:18:46 pm
You had me at the first word..
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 01 March, 2014, 09:39:03 pm
Bought a 2TB USB3 external disk because the backups had outgrown the existing one, and it was cheaper than a bare drive.  Repartitioned (to get rid of some NTFS guff) and formatted ext4, set the rsync job running, went for a bike ride, had a shower, ate dinner, cleaned the kitchen, etc.  Script finally finished and showed the space free.  Partition size was only ~800G.

Repartitioned, paying more attention to things I don't want to care about like sector boundaries, reformatted, checked on a couple of boxen that they report the right size.  Have plugged it back into the server and re-started the backups script.  That'll be an overnight job, then.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 01 March, 2014, 09:55:01 pm
Microsoft
 - Visual Studio 12*
    Removal of the Deployment Wizard
    Forcing the use of InstallShield.

InstallShield was crap 15 years ago.  It's _still_ crap and the Limited Edition? Dear Christ! That's not limited that's crippled.  Just get a _fucking_ grip you _stupid_ bastards and reinstate the DW.

And while we're about it.  A _manual_ conversion from MVC2 to MVC3?  How absolutely fucking brilliant!

*Which deserves a 10 page rant all of its very own if only because of the appallingly unusable "monochrome" skin.

May I suggest you investigate WiX? It's pretty feature rich - and once you get your head around its xml schema, it's not so bad to use either. Visual Studio template support too.

I too was initially alarmed at the lack of VS-based deployment in VS-2012- but I managed to dodge the Installshite bullet with WiX. Give it a shot!

ETA: A link to save you Googling and finding the Web-host company, which is not what you're looking for. http://wixtoolset.org/
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 01 March, 2014, 10:01:48 pm
May I suggest you investigate WiX? It's pretty feature rich - and once you get your head around its xml schema, it's not so bad to use either. Visual Studio template support too.
Thanks for the thought.  I suggested that we move to wix when I found out VS12 had been downgraded and was told that we'd be using InstallShield.  It may be that wix doesn't play nicely with TFS automatic builds, but that's just a guess on my part.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 01 March, 2014, 10:04:27 pm
May I suggest you investigate WiX? It's pretty feature rich - and once you get your head around its xml schema, it's not so bad to use either. Visual Studio template support too.
Thanks for the thought.  I suggested that we move to wix when I found out VS12 had been downgraded and was told that we'd be using InstallShield.  It may be that wix doesn't play nicely with TFS automatic builds, but that's just a guess on my part.

Maybe, though the documentation boasts  "good" integration with command-line builds, and the builds I look after are all command-line driven (though not automated through TFS which is a whole other dimension of psychosis I've managed to avoid so far!).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Greenbank on 03 March, 2014, 09:34:17 am
InstallShield isn't so bad once you get used to it (a week long training course in Brizzle helps too). It happily does command line builds too (even from C****C***).

Luckily I haven't had to touch it in a good few years (and last time I had to monkeypatch an MSI I didn't have InstallShield so I had to do it with Orca. Ugh.)

In the few places where we have to use MSI we use WiX now.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 03 March, 2014, 10:07:39 am
Today's fun and games are brought to you by Oracle, VMware and SCOM...

Let the battle begin :(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 03 March, 2014, 02:28:43 pm
This.

https://twitter.com/TrueValhalla/status/438665765265240064/photo/1
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 03 March, 2014, 03:53:06 pm
Acer, when you make a laptop with wiffy could you please ensure that it is capable of dealing with all of the standard wiffy channels that routers use?

I have spent weeks trying to work out why sometimes the laptop works faultlessly, but at other times my wiffy networks are completely invisible to it - but it can see all of the neighbours.

I tried all sorts of things, deleting the wiffy adaptor and letting it re-install it. Installing the latest one, every fucking thing I could think of and some weeks it just wouldn't see *my* networks. I had very nearly got to the point of taking it to an upper floor window and reprogramming it with the aid of voodoo and gravity when in desperation I tried a little bit of google-fu and found that some Acer laptops don't like the high channels. So if my router was restarted and picked channel 15 or similar because it was nice and quiet up there - then as far as the laptop was concerned it didn't exist.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 03 March, 2014, 05:37:07 pm
Dear Microsoft Word

Firstly, I miss Paperclip Guy. He would have written this for me. If I were ever to become friends with a paperclip, he'd be the one I'd choose. Of course, I'm not actually considering friendship with any kind of office sundry at present. That's no reflection on Paperclip Guy, I mean he was great, but I have a big red stapler that I suppose I like a bit more. But no, I'm just not into office supply friends. Not like that.

I also liked the cat that did the searching. He was a good cat. Not very good at searching, but then when you've misplaced your house keys, would you ask a cat for help? It best you don't, they're no good at it.

What I don't like is when Word crashes because I – oh I don't know – pressed the enter key funny. How was I to know that was going to cause terminal offence? Once upon a time, Paperclip Guy or search cat might have stepped in to avert disaster. But not now, it's just gone. I know you're sorry. I'm sorry. We're all sorry. It's a big festival of sorry. We should build a marquee, get catering, hire some portaloos and a rock band. That's how sorry we all are. Would I like to report it to Microsoft? Of course, but I think Paperclip Guy would have done it better. It looks like you're writing an angry letter to Microsoft. Sure am, Paperclip Guy, over to you.

Would I like to restart Word and recover my file? Sounds like a plan. Hold on, that's the file I opened this morning? I'm sure I did some work today. I'm sure Paperclip Guy used to autosave my work. He was good like that, always looking out for me. Ah, you did autosave my work, just in a file four layers down in a hidden library folder. Even search cat wouldn't have found that. Well, he never actually found anything, but then he did insist on looking under a carpet. No one ever lost a computer file under a virtual carpet. I once dropped a floppy disk down the toilet though.

So, Microsoft, I think (a) Word shouldn't crash when I press 'enter' and (b) you probably should recover the file you autosaved most recently not the one I saved yesterday.

thanks Microsoft!

your best pal, ian.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 03 March, 2014, 05:43:36 pm
Brilliant, ian. Thank you for brightening a hungover and otherwise painful morning!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 03 March, 2014, 05:48:53 pm
So if my router was restarted and picked channel 15 or similar because it was nice and quiet up there - then as far as the laptop was concerned it didn't exist.

15 isn't legal in the UK IIRC.

13 is legal in the UK, but isn't in the US, which means routers tend not to default to it, thereby making it a good one to use.  Except when buggy laptops (running UK versions of the drivers which claim to use Ch 13 just fine) decide to do that.  We discovered this in a broadly similar way.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: frankly frankie on 03 March, 2014, 06:28:41 pm
Set the channel manually in your router.  Take control of your kit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 03 March, 2014, 08:46:09 pm
15 isn't legal in the UK IIRC.

13 is legal in the UK, but isn't in the US, which means routers tend not to default to it, thereby making it a good one to use.  Except when buggy laptops (running UK versions of the drivers which claim to use Ch 13 just fine) decide to do that.  We discovered this in a broadly similar way.

Now I'm home I checked and it would have been 13. So my rant is still valid?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 03 March, 2014, 08:53:45 pm
15 isn't legal in the UK IIRC.

13 is legal in the UK, but isn't in the US, which means routers tend not to default to it, thereby making it a good one to use.  Except when buggy laptops (running UK versions of the drivers which claim to use Ch 13 just fine) decide to do that.  We discovered this in a broadly similar way.

Now I'm home I checked and it would have been 13. So my rant is still valid?

Very much so.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 05 March, 2014, 08:41:34 am
For years my favourite routing site used both Google & Cloudmade routing engines. Google didn't include cycling but Cloudmade did, you had the choice, it was great. The Cloudmade engine was fast, too.

Then Cloudmade disappeared and they only offered Google routing for cars and walkers, so you could either take your bike up the motorway/autostrada/autobahn/whatever or that scenic hiking route straight up Lover's Leap.

So I decided to set up my own site & base it on Cloudmade.  I set up an account, acquired a key, dived into the docs and started beavering. It was much clearer than Google's API, a real delight to program. For about 3 months my spare time was spent chortling with beaverish glee.

Several months ago the API wiki disappeared from Cloudmade's site. Uh-oh.

This morning the axe fell: "Cloudmade are moving to new business model": $25 per million map tiles.  On 1st May support for existing free services will be withdrawn.

So now I have the choice of watching my beautiful routing prog die, or rehashing > 15,000 lines of code for Google, Mapquest or some other.

Yetch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Greenbank on 05 March, 2014, 12:53:54 pm
Twas ever thus.

Building something using free services (or even relatively new paid for services) is always risky.

Unless you get to a point where there's a contract and terms of service then the rug can always be pulled out from under your feet.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Phil W on 05 March, 2014, 01:00:08 pm
Or you can pay $25 for Cloudmade which is cheaper than your time to rehash
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 March, 2014, 01:07:30 pm
BT you gits. You raised my hopes by having the Infiniti checker say it would be available here by end of Feb and when I checked today it now simply says "not available in your area"
After an online chat with them it seems they now estimate it will be sometime next month but I wont hold my breath.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 05 March, 2014, 01:44:10 pm
Or you can pay $25 for Cloudmade which is cheaper than your time to rehash

$25 per million tiles.  I've no idea how many tiles it takes to plan a 1000k trip.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 05 March, 2014, 07:40:33 pm
Microsoft
 - Visual Studio 12*
    Removal of the Deployment Wizard
    Forcing the use of InstallShield.

Windows Installer XML, if its still around....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Greenbank on 06 March, 2014, 09:43:02 am
BT you gits. You raised my hopes by having the Infiniti checker say it would be available here by end of Feb and when I checked today it now simply says "not available in your area"
After an online chat with them it seems they now estimate it will be sometime next month but I wont hold my breath.

Ha. They've been doing that dance with me for over 18 months.

Every time it got to within 2 weeks of the end of the window it got shunted 3 months further on.

Then when the ASA stomped all over BT for giving false promises they shunted the date way out (until "by March 2014"). [1]

That's getting dangerously close so they may, like you, just roll it over into a "We have no date".

It's annoying as the cabinet down the road (but not serving my home) was converted to FTTC over a year ago.

1. *checks again* "Fibre optic broadband is estimated to be in your area by the end of March 2014. Please note that these dates have been provided by our supplier and are estimates. Dates may be subject to change due to factors outside our control such as; delays agreeing cabinet locations with your local council or unforeseen issues encountered during the construction of your street cabinet."
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 March, 2014, 11:01:17 am
They can't even tell me. The exchange is accepting orders, cabinets elsewhere are tauntingly emblazoned with 'BT Infiniti here'  but our cabinet isn't upgraded. They can't tell me why. It's all like super-mysterious. They. Just. Won't. Say.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 06 March, 2014, 11:08:32 am
BT are fucking useless. I've just - yet again - spent an hour on the phone to their Delhi call centre trying to diagnose - yet again - why I have little or no bandwidth despite a HomeHub insisting it's connected (at a download speed of 448kbs - whoopee!) yet I cannot connect to anything with any device using any operating system, wired or wireless, for more than an hour before the connection drops out following a box reset. BT insist it must be a problem with whichever device I'm using. However, surprise, a discussion with other householders in my little hamlet reveals that they are all having exactly the same problem, and are getting the same fob-off from BT. I have recently been at least successful in persuading them to get an Openreach engineer to visit, but he was given only the history of the most recent complaint not the full several-years' worth. Nor was he aware that other households locally were suffering the same crap service, or that some of them had also had engineers' visits without any appreciable progress. No-one within BT, it seems, talks to anyone else.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Greenbank on 06 March, 2014, 03:55:00 pm
They can't even tell me. The exchange is accepting orders, cabinets elsewhere are tauntingly emblazoned with 'BT Infiniti here'  but our cabinet isn't upgraded. They can't tell me why. It's all like super-mysterious. They. Just. Won't. Say.

Check the planning part of your local council website. Most of the time it's because there's a dispute about where your new (bigger) cabinet is going to be placed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 March, 2014, 04:22:57 pm
They can't even tell me. The exchange is accepting orders, cabinets elsewhere are tauntingly emblazoned with 'BT Infiniti here'  but our cabinet isn't upgraded. They can't tell me why. It's all like super-mysterious. They. Just. Won't. Say.

Check the planning part of your local council website. Most of the time it's because there's a dispute about where your new (bigger) cabinet is going to be placed.

I didn't see anything when I checked. We have a standard cabinet opposite us, and there's another at the bottom of the street. Next to that is a larger, considerably more vintage looking cabinet (which I assume is telecoms related). Probably someone is looking at the cost of replacing a cabinet. Infiniti seems to have reached the rest of the exchange's coverage, other than our bit. The infrastructure seems fine, we're getting 13-15 Mb/s, though that's from the cabinet across the road. I wouldn't mind if they'd just say, it's just the mystery. I'm fortunate the the ADSL is actually pretty good, we have no issues with Lovefilm etc., and I'm not trying to torrent an entire internet's worth of p0rn. The only pain point is slow uploads, I work from home and often need to push stuff up to the mothership, and that's pretty slow. I should probably steal an alien spaceship and go deliver it personally. I think that has precedent.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 06 March, 2014, 08:38:55 pm
Check out your county council plans for the BDUK rollout. My cabinet was left out of the BT commercial roll out (uneconomic) but has been included in Cheshire east BDUK project. In fact the empty cabinet has just been installed - due to go live "from summer on"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 March, 2014, 08:53:50 pm
Check out your county council plans for the BDUK rollout. My cabinet was left out of the BT commercial roll out (uneconomic) but has been included in Cheshire east BDUK project. In fact the empty cabinet has just been installed - due to go live "from summer on"

Hmm, according to that by the end of 2014 apparently (which I take to mean we might get around to it before the funding runs out). I assume that means our upgrade was deemed uneconomic. Not sure why, whilst not the most affluent part of Surrey, it's far from poor and there's no alternative cable option (or likely to be).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 06 March, 2014, 09:21:10 pm
No idea why mine was uneconomic either. One possibility is that the FTTC cabinet is located about 15m from the phone cabinet - so the extra cabling costs might be part of it. It also partly covers an industrial estate so perhaps fewer residential lines.

But who knows.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 07 March, 2014, 08:02:00 am
ORACLE!

In particular Oracle E-Business Suite.

We have a number of Applications servers* here, all of which started, for some reason, acting up at 18:00 on Sunday evening.

One by one they started behaving themselves, all bar one.

I come into work this morning, having spent all week trying to diagnose the problem, to find the last one fixed itself overnight!

Fuckers!

*Luckily they are DEV/TEST servers, so no great impact on the operation of the business...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 07 March, 2014, 04:27:23 pm
BT you gits. You raised my hopes by having the Infiniti checker say it would be available here by end of Feb and when I checked today it now simply says "not available in your area"
After an online chat with them it seems they now estimate it will be sometime next month but I wont hold my breath.

No, don't.
We finally got Infinity 10 months after the date BT said it would be available.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 07 March, 2014, 04:47:53 pm
Merge conflicts.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 08 March, 2014, 08:39:57 am
Better than miscellaneous bugs after a successful automerge.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 March, 2014, 08:52:21 am
So, what kind of braindead autoresponder ignores the Reply-To and sends its out-of-office notifications somewhere else entirely?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 March, 2014, 08:58:21 am
Better than miscellaneous bugs after a successful automerge.

Or silently overwriting previously checked in and released changes with the version from the branch, causing recent new features to disappear without warning. On the positive side, it did teach the devs to include a unit test for every new feature.  ;)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 08 March, 2014, 10:35:19 am
Better than miscellaneous bugs after a successful automerge.

I made one mistake in the most recent manual merge which caused a test failure that took ages to track down. It doesn't help that this project is still using CVS.

My main problem is I've been brought into this project to help out as they slipped. So I don't know the code. And they keep changing sections of code I'm working in so nearly every time I update I have conflicts. Still, I expect I'll have his feature checked in this weekend and I have only one more to implement then I can go back to my usual work. Which I have also been doing while waiting for tests to run and I've rewritten an important part of our traffic code halting its size and making it much faster.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 10 March, 2014, 11:34:23 am
BT you gits. You raised my hopes by having the Infiniti checker say it would be available here by end of Feb and when I checked today it now simply says "not available in your area"
After an online chat with them it seems they now estimate it will be sometime next month but I wont hold my breath.

Availability checker now says end of March. We will see.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 10 March, 2014, 01:32:13 pm
Damn you Microsoft. My home computer uses Windows XP in a months time there will be no more security updates and I will need to buy a more modern OS [Seven not eight].
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 10 March, 2014, 02:29:22 pm
Damn you Microsoft.

In their defence, XP is twelve years old now - how long did you expect them to support it for?

In comparison, Debian supports previous releases for a year after a new release and even Ubuntu's LTS releases only get security patches for five years.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 10 March, 2014, 02:32:08 pm
Damn you Microsoft.

In their defence, XP is twelve years old now - how long did you expect them to support it for?

About twelve years.  Then they apply the lucrative binary exponential algorithm to the extended support contract costs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 10 March, 2014, 02:36:57 pm
Fucksake, don't just keep running more instances of yourself and not making an obvious "would you like to tweak settings" in a prog which affects visibility of the screen. Had to resort to killing it in task manager and there's one instance which won't die. Had to find shitty guide online which explains it pops a small thing in the "running progs" bar where I found about 7 of you fuckers all running *terminates*.  This is why I kill windows installs every 6-12 months or so!

Assistive software, has an awful lot in common with 'educational' *spit* software.  Still beats colleagues trying to spend £££ on software packages I can find for FREE!  The cheap/free stuff is all much more limited than the professional stuff, but you gets what you pays for and when yu don't pay you have to fart about a bit. 

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 10 March, 2014, 02:37:30 pm
About half the time David and I spent at the GP surgery earlier today was spent:
Waiting for my records to come up on their computer screen
Waiting for a computer system crash to be sorted by IT
Waiting for David's records to come up.

How much NHS personnel time is wasted on Windows?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rafletcher on 10 March, 2014, 03:16:18 pm
BT you gits. You raised my hopes by having the Infiniti checker say it would be available here by end of Feb and when I checked today it now simply says "not available in your area"
After an online chat with them it seems they now estimate it will be sometime next month but I wont hold my breath.

Availability checker now says end of March. We will see.

Hooray! We've been upgraded from "NC" when I last looked a couple of months ago,  to "CS" - end of June 2014.

I should think so too - after all Openreach dug up the whole length of our lane not 6 months ago to install data connection - to the new factory at the end of the lane!  Pity we couldn't tap into that as it passed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 17 March, 2014, 04:35:41 pm
Autodesk - there are units int he world other than inches. Get with the program.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 17 March, 2014, 05:28:13 pm
Autodesk. What more can I say? If ever there was a masterclass on making a package really, really frustrating then you take the biscuit. It is almost impossible to work out how the hell it does things.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 17 March, 2014, 09:35:30 pm
I spent a year or more of trying to get the hang of AutoCAD,, with almost zero success.  I needed to do a City and Guilds college course in order to make significant progress, well two courses actually, one for 2D, and one for 3D.  They then revoked my student licence for it, as I was no longer an accredited AutoCAD student (yes, you have to be an AutoCAD student, not just any old student) so it wouldn't work any more, and I used pirate copies for a bit, and then when Windows Vista stopped them working, I bought Turbocad.  It seemed as if they had studied the Autocad manual and decided to make every single command incompatible with Autocad.  I've now been farting about with it long enough I can do simple 2D stuff, but 3D in Turbocad still eludes me...

I think CAD software is designed to be non-intuitive!

(edited, so it wasn't utter gibberish)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 17 March, 2014, 10:03:23 pm
A rant of my own, rather than commenting on others' issues.

Printer setups, and printing dialog(ue) boxes.  I do not use American paper sizes, I never have, and never will, so don't bloody well flood the print size selections with 43 different paper sizes only used in one country!  How about, when setting up the printer initially, asking you what family of paper sizes you want to use?  I only want A sizes, so don't want to plough through thousands of obscure sizes only available in Japan, or the US of bleeding A, or the independent Republic of Bechuanaland upon Severn.

And Microsoft print dialogs specifically - when I want to set up a page to print on A3, or maybe even A1, why the fuck do I have to have the A1 size printer connected and switched on, for you to allow me to access that page size?  Maybe I haven't even got an A1 printer*, maybe I'm creating a document for a client who has.  Fuckwits!

* I have, actually  ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 18 March, 2014, 10:39:12 pm
Oh Illustrator, why do you need to put som many thousands of vertices onto the objects you export as Autocad. And Autocad, why do you make it so darned difficult, including the replacement of the 9 and 0 keys, to remove said excess verticiage? I have spent two days wondering why what should be straightforward has been a really big ball ache. Hopefully tomorrow it will be fixed and work.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 19 March, 2014, 08:57:39 am
Considering both Adobe and Autodesk are notorious for doing things their own way, rather than the commonly accepted way, I feel your pain...  Illustrator to AutoCAD, that'll be a whole bundle of fun.  I'm currently struggling with MS Publisher, 'cos that is the corporate Windows standard for the hobby organisation I was doing stuff for.  The magazine folk use Adobe InDesign, of course on Macs.  I last used Publisher about 10 years ago, it seems a bit different now!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 20 March, 2014, 09:22:21 am
I survived. it worked. Yippee!
Apparently life scientists think differently to the mechanical engineers. It was the first time the tech had seen anyone use different layers to determine a cut order on their laser cutter. Shame it slowly loses calibration as it runs.. But it runs and that is the main thing.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 20 March, 2014, 09:25:42 am
How hard can it be to solder a few bits together? And then discover of all things a duff resistor which failed after installation so causing grief.

But the most annoying was the magic smoke escaping from an arduino pro mini mounted on header pins to the board. Oh joy - trying to desolder that lot was an exercise in futility.  And start over, with stripboad deciding to lose grip on the strips. But I now have a PSU unit that works (albeit with no smoothing caps because they seem to keep giving me grief) and a new board on flying leads. More tomorrow when I can summon up the courage to wield the soldering iron near that dogs dinner of leads again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 20 March, 2014, 09:48:00 am
Damn you Microsoft. My home computer uses Windows XP in a months time there will be no more security updates and I will need to buy a more modern OS [Seven not eight].

Alternatively, stop visiting those sites and clicking on those special offers.

Security updates, while clearly significant, are of limited value on their own and in a domestic as opposed to corporate environment not especially significant. More annoying will be the gradual degradation of functionality as software updates increasingly expect a modern o/s.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 21 March, 2014, 07:33:26 pm
What the frack have they done with Firefox?  >:(  Removed the add-on bar and Firefox button and pissed it up.   >:(  If I want Chrome I would use Chrome.  ::-)  Making it look like Chrome won't get back users who switched to Chrome.  Arseholes.  >:(

I'll roll back to an earlier version.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 21 March, 2014, 07:58:10 pm
What the frack have they done with Firefox?  >:(  Removed the add-on bar and Firefox button and pissed it up.   >:(  If I want Chrome I would use Chrome.  ::-)  Making it look like Chrome won't get back users who switched to Chrome.  Arseholes.  >:(

I'll roll back to an earlier version.
Umm. I'm still sticking with v17 after your rant about v18 (or it may have been v19) last year.   Security fixes? I don't need no steenkin' security fixes.  :)

It's getting a bit like M$ Word isn't it? The, "The last _good_ version was n.n* after that they just fucked it up." syndrome.

*As suits product being criticised.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 21 March, 2014, 08:10:27 pm
My previous rant was about an appearance change, too, but that turned out to be trivially easy to rectify.  v29 is a major buggeration of everything - no chance of making it look how I want at all.

I do like security fixes - which I suppose I won't get any more if I stick to v28.  :(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 25 March, 2014, 06:07:20 pm
There is hope!  Pale Moon (http://www.palemoon.org/) is a pre-v29-Firefox lookalike that can import your Firefox profile, complete with customisations and add-ons.  Only a few (unimportant) extensions I've got aren't compatible.  It's supposed to be faster as well, but for me the purpose would be to keep the old look but have security updates.

"Contrary to what Mozilla has done with their redesign of the user interface, Pale Moon will continue to provide a familiar set of controls and visual feedback similar to previous versions"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Canardly on 25 March, 2014, 07:48:06 pm
There is a new cafe nearby on a chilli farm. The staff are great, the food is ok, prices are reasonable and it is bike friendly, but they will insist on using digital pads for the ordering of tea, coffee and food and then again at check out. This slows the whole process down to a painfully slow level. Pen and paper and a few spikes would speed things up tremendously.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 March, 2014, 08:21:25 pm
There is a new cafe nearby on a chilli farm. The staff are great, the food is ok, prices are reasonable and it is bike friendly, but they will insist on using digital pads for the ordering of tea, coffee and food and then again at check out. This slows the whole process down to a painfully slow level. Pen and paper and a few spikes would speed things up tremendously.

I first encountered that in some pub or other.  I can see why it seems like a good idea (effectively moving the till to your table for ordering), but the implementation was similarly dubious.  Too much menu-navigation to find related items, and the staff didn't seem to know their way around it.  Weatherspoons seem to manage it with their tills, so there's no reason why it has to be slow.

I expect there are real advantages of an electronic system over paper and spikes when it comes to adding everything up at the end of the day, but the customer never sees that.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 25 March, 2014, 08:30:13 pm
There is a new cafe nearby on a chilli farm. The staff are great, the food is ok, prices are reasonable and it is bike friendly, but they will insist on using digital pads for the ordering of tea, coffee and food and then again at check out. This slows the whole process down to a painfully slow level. Pen and paper and a few spikes would speed things up tremendously.

I first encountered that in some pub or other.  I can see why it seems like a good idea (effectively moving the till to your table for ordering), but the implementation was similarly dubious.  Too much menu-navigation to find related items, and the staff didn't seem to know their way around it.  Weatherspoons seem to manage it with their tills, so there's no reason why it has to be slow.

I expect there are real advantages of an electronic system over paper and spikes when it comes to adding everything up at the end of the day, but the customer never sees that.
Lo, LEO is reborn.  :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 26 March, 2014, 01:03:30 pm
Sigh I have just spent three weeks worrying that my encryption/decryption device driver was stopping Pro Tools reading audio. All kinds of creative debugging and tracing. This morning I tried it without my driver installed. Same result, not my fault at all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 26 March, 2014, 01:23:23 pm
...a few spikes would speed things up tremendously.

I've seen service like that  :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 28 March, 2014, 03:09:37 pm
Some relief for Firefox 29:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ goes some way to get back the old look after you've updated to v29.  You'll still need to manually shuffle things around as well, especially if you had any icons on the Status Bar.  Not sure I can be bothered when Pale Moon has done a better job (to begin with at least).

v29 is just a beta at the moment, but you'll be getting the full version soon if you haven't turned off auto updating.  I've tested it early so you don't have to. :)  Actually, to be fair, you might not mind it if you haven't heavily customised your browser.  Someone must even like it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: PaulF on 28 March, 2014, 04:05:39 pm
Windows 8.

That is all
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 29 March, 2014, 02:22:37 pm
This.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj3SJULCcAAWf0R.jpg)

And this.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj5piZ3CEAAmaOJ.jpg)


Not to mention frequent instances when the display resets itself.
I'm running fairly vanilla Win8 PRo x64 with NVidia GTX 660 graphics on the latest drivers (v335.23). Latest version of Photoshop CC.

The crash seems to occur as a result of the clean install of new drivers, and last night was happening fairly consistently when I cropped/straighted/ran an action which duplicated a layer and added a curves layer for outlining. I installed the drivers whilst trying to fix the problem with quick masking at anything over 50% zoom.

I can fix the quick mask problem by switching to normal graphics over advanced graphics, but this slows things down. Not desirable.

I may just start saving for a new Graphics card but it couldn't come at a worse time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 29 March, 2014, 02:58:17 pm
Oh bollocks....  (to the previous post, not any reflection on my own computing situation which is currently (clutches mahogany desktop and columbian pine desk) OK.  I just don't want to do what I have to, which is rejig version 8 of the show plan I finished weeks ago, and everyone has fucked about with, since.  Latest change is due to an exhibitor dying, the inconsiderate sod.  The plan needs to be with the venue's electricians by first thing Monday morning.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 30 March, 2014, 12:46:54 am
Another alternative to Firefox 29: Cyberfox - more up to date than Pale Moon, while still promising to avoid the new (Australis) user interface.

https://8pecxstudios.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=330
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 30 March, 2014, 09:08:45 am
I got bored with firefox a couple of months ago, constantly nagging for updates but not installing them. I've just found the page about Australis. It leads with the curve of the tabs, which was always something the really really bothered me about the old firefox.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 01 April, 2014, 01:20:41 pm
Today's rant is mainly with Symantec. Their "Endpoint Protection" is the work of stan.

It's helpfully installed as 32-bit into a 64-bit environment.
It can't cope with an SMTP server that requires authentication - doesn't ask for authentication details when you configure it.
For some reason, in a Windows environment where IIS is natively supported, it installs it's own Apache server.
In it's present condition, it doesn't write to the Windows Event Logs. Instead it writes to event log files.
It doesn't work, despite a re-install.
I'm currently jumping through hoops to get tech. support.

So despite reading a good dozen positive reviews beforehand, this is one software choice I'm really regretting.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 03 April, 2014, 11:12:40 pm
David is sending me emails that I am not receiving.
I sent him an email tonight which he has not received.
We are not getting failure messages.
We seem to get emails from everybody else.
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 07 April, 2014, 08:08:49 pm
Dyndns.

Why go to completely paid system?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 April, 2014, 08:26:12 pm
Dyndns.

Why go to a completely paid system?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 07 April, 2014, 08:39:44 pm
There's an echo in here.... :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 April, 2014, 08:44:01 pm
I think we all got the email...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 07 April, 2014, 08:46:49 pm
Tbh it has spurred me on to do stuffs.

Since they blocked clients i have meant to change provider, intending, eventually, to cut out the middleman. The last bit, though, involves trying to deal with a difficult to deal with dns hosting company.

ETA Technicolour routers are a pita if you already have a dyndns supplier setup...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 08 April, 2014, 12:24:17 pm
Ah, Chris. It's as well you're a professional, isn't it.

What's missing from this? : sudo usermod -G somegroup, someothergroup, chris chris

Yes, that's right you missed out "sudoers" from the group list didn't you Chris, and we know what that means don't we Chris? Yes, that means you're removed from the group because you didn't include -a in the options. As yours is the only account in the sudoers group, and this server's root account is disabled, you're a bit f00ked now, aren't you Chris?

Fuckwit.

Recover Mode toooo the rescue!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 08 April, 2014, 12:55:19 pm
Ah, Chris. It's as well you're a professional, isn't it.

What's missing from this? : sudo usermod -G somegroup, someothergroup, chris chris

Yes, that's right you missed out "sudoers" from the group list didn't you Chris, and we know what that means don't we Chris? Yes, that means you're removed from the group because you didn't include -a in the options. As yours is the only account in the sudoers group, and this server's root account is disabled, you're a bit f00ked now, aren't you Chris?

Fuckwit.

Recover Mode toooo the rescue!

F*ck it. Just go for a bike ride 8)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 April, 2014, 01:39:46 pm
Fedora, stop fucking around with network interface names.

I have managed to lock myself out of my firewall due to this.

Logged on, found shorewall not running so started it.

Due to your messing around, changing eth0 to em1sp0, shorewall starts but blocks all interfaces other than eth0 and eth1...

Spot the problem...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 April, 2014, 01:46:05 pm
Fedora, stop fucking around with network interface names.

I have managed to lock myself out of my firewall due to this.

Logged on, found shorewall not running so started it.

Due to your messing around, changing eth0 to em1sp0, shorewall starts but blocks all interfaces other than eth0 and eth1...

Spot the problem...
Serial cable connection onto router?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 April, 2014, 01:48:54 pm
Good idea MrC, shall look into it, but, right at this moment, I am 60 miles away from it...

I HATE COMPUTERS
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 April, 2014, 02:05:41 pm
Good idea MrC, shall look into it, but, right at this moment, I am 60 miles away from it...

I HATE COMPUTERS
"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Try remotely supporting students who are trying to configure and install embedded Linux . . .
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 08 April, 2014, 02:25:20 pm
Isn't that more on the lines of "have you blown up the processor board yet? If not, we'll try this again".

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 08 April, 2014, 02:59:27 pm
Network upgrade from fuckall megabit to 10gigabit was PROMISED by end of March.

We're a week into April and the notwork is more fucking useless than ever with added Win7 upgrades which fucked the luddite refuseniks' settings

Boss has chased, apparently central admin were told we'd been upgraded.  We haven't been. Don't need a speedtest to tell that with ALL our server side stuff timing out and crashing on us.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 21 April, 2014, 03:18:30 pm
I know my mum is a nightmare to tech support, she emits bogons and right now she's under epic stress so doesn't make sense.

However that does not justify Plusnet deciding instead of her name mailbox they'll just set her up on the account mailbox to "fix" the problem.  It doesn't, it loses ALL her proper email and everything. Oh and effectively changed her email address which they didn't tell her.

Thankfully she emailed me her password in plaintext and gave me enough garble that I was able to phone her up, get more sense, log in myself working out what passwords now applied and changed the mailbox passwords myself and RE-set her up on her proper user mailbox where she has a number of emails arriving from the last few days.

I hate having to run my mum's email account live but I think that's the only sane way to do it so if she has issues she can phone me and I can help work out if it's her shitty iPhone, shitty cellular, shitty wireless or some other issue causing issues.  Every time she phones Tesco (cellular provider) or Plusnet they break shit...

And Apple's stupid fucking piece of shit mailclient had better not still have that fucking bug where email just stops working and needs reconfigged from scratch cos Lightmail was a pain and I don't want to have to pay for something Apple should make work... 

I really need to see mum and her netbook, laptop, iPhone etc in person and do the techie fixes but due to $complicated that's not possible right now...  Technology...  Parents... 

At least my dad just collects and categorises spam as a hobby...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 21 April, 2014, 09:28:32 pm
Cables!  WTF is wrong with taking electrons from one end and spewing them out at the other in a predictable 1:1 manner?  If I wanted things to not work I'd be using wireless!

Raspberry Pi:  Known for being annoyingly surrounded by sockets on all sides.  Mounted inside an enclosure in such a way that a short HDMI male to HDMI panel mount female cable is needed to bring the HDMI socket out externally in a sensible and non-right-angular manner, with all the cutouts on a single panel.

Which would be fine, if the extension cable was just that.  But no, it's doing something (I can't face the continuity probing to work out what) that means all I get is an awake monitor with a black screen.  FFS!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 April, 2014, 10:45:38 pm
Oh, HDMI.
You probably have a passive repeater built in and the cable is pointing the wrong way. DAHIKT
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 21 April, 2014, 10:50:42 pm
*peers at cable suspiciously*

Price would suggest that it's economising on ground wires or something, but anything's possible...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 April, 2014, 10:52:15 pm
HDMI is a delusion of eitherendedness that is far from that in many cases.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 21 April, 2014, 11:06:33 pm
I'm convinced that HDMI is an attempt to do for DVI-D what USB did for RS232 - that is to say make it too clever, a tad nondeterministic and perpetually The Other Way Up.   >:(

Wrongendian cables would fit right into that philosophy...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 April, 2014, 11:21:52 pm
And then you have to do real Electronic ENgineering if you want to do long cable runs, if you can get teh specs of the cables. Yes it can run 30m passively but iff you use the correct guage (24G minimum) cables and have something that can reliably produce the appropriate 50mA output (iPad I'm looking at you) otherwise the signal is too weak and the timing goes off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 April, 2014, 08:41:19 am
And Apple's stupid fucking piece of shit mailclient had better not still have that fucking bug where email just stops working and needs reconfigged from scratch cos Lightmail was a pain and I don't want to have to pay for something Apple should make work... 

It's unbelievable isn't it? How does something as basic as an email client have so many bugs in it? Having switched to the mac way for most things, they integrate brilliantly, but Mail is driving me mad. Some of the most irritating bugs have clearly been reported and left unfixed for some time.

I don't mind paying for something that actually works, any suggestions?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 22 April, 2014, 09:23:44 am
Mail does my head in too - its talent for forgetting passwords is so infuriating. I don't understand how Apple can be content with this piece of crap.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 April, 2014, 10:04:38 am
I don't understand it either, perhaps email is just not hip enough to bother with any more? Young People (TM) seem to communicate with a mixture of whatsapp, imessage, twitter, dropbox, instagram, snapchat... email seems to be going the way of the fax machine.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 22 April, 2014, 10:36:10 am
I don't mind paying for something that actually works, any suggestions?

Thunderbird (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/?icn=tabz). Not perfect but I've used it since version nought point something and it's never let me down.

In the fruit-sphere1 you may be wary of something that you don't have to pay for. No need to panic, it's free software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software) but contributions to the developers are welcome :).

[1] Other non-free proprietary computer systems are available.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 22 April, 2014, 12:16:17 pm
Another vote for Thunderbird.  Mac version available.  And lots of addons available if you want more than the standard features.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 22 April, 2014, 01:45:17 pm
Mail seems to have got a bit better with its password Alzheimer's, though it still tends to 'Mail is preventing your computer from shutting down.' Other than that it mostly seems to work. I'm minded that all email clients suck to some degree. I used to use Thunderbird and it was OK but seemed a bit clunky.

I couldn't be bothered paying for a mail client, but Sparrow seems to be well regarded in Mac circles.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 22 April, 2014, 01:50:48 pm
On my iMac, it's only one Mail account that is subject to Apple's tactical amnesia. Trouble is, it's my main one (Gmail) and, as I use Google's two-stage security, it requires me to generate a new access code each time it's forgotten. That's a minor PITA, really, but on the last occasion it worked for incoming mail but not outgoing - which it just hid in the Outbox without telling me it wasn't being dispatched. My MBA, iPad and iPhone have never suffered this annoying behaviour, so perhaps my iMac is just a bit pissed off that it doesn't get as much attention as the other gadgets.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 22 April, 2014, 01:52:44 pm
OSX isn't the problem.  It's a grown up operating system that can run software with unix pun names, as well as Thunderbollocks.

It's the iThings where the Mail bug is a real PITA.  Especially someone else's iThing.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 April, 2014, 10:21:19 am
Internet Explorer. I've avoided successfully for years, but there's some SAP horribleness aboard the mothership that needs to be dealt with. Believe me, that shit has scoured planets to bleeding earth and made entire populations weep acid tears. Apparently this means IE version I-don't-give-a-shit.

Firstly, the pile of arse-coded shit won't save the full URL as a favourite, clipping off the bit that navigates our SSO, which needs to be there otherwise I end up at the login page and we don't have separate logins. Ah, it's alright, it'll be in the history. Ctrl-H gives me a history of every file opened, not just web pages. What kind of braindead chucklefucker thought that was a good idea? I'm using a browser and you're telling me about Word documents. It doesn't even appear to let me go back more than a week. Maybe there's some cryptic settings. Bejeebus, I just want to see what web pages I accessed last week.

Now I have to wade through my inbox to find the bloody access link to click.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 25 April, 2014, 11:30:19 am
That's the "integrated user experience". You don't have to know where anything is as the OS tools will find it for you, and to make sure you buy in to that it will make sure you don't know where anything is.

My (big corp) current client has given up fighting with IE as the corporate standard, even the help desk stock response is now "just use chrome instead, it will work".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 April, 2014, 12:07:49 pm
Ironically, despite all the warnings that SAP Business Objects needed IE, the reports run fine in Chrome.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 April, 2014, 06:00:34 pm
So it turns out that if you run the Raspberry Pi's serial port at 2400 baud, it has to stop and put its feet up for the requisite 60ms or so every 16 bytes so as not to overflow the bugger (TBAGO).

Please don't ask how I know this.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: PaulF on 28 April, 2014, 02:14:28 pm
Sharepoint: it's where people in my company put documents that they don't want anyone else to find
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 01 May, 2014, 02:10:05 pm
Hellish Morning.

For some reason the (new to me) netbook was refusing to mount NFS shares. It was working! I figured my NAS box might have blocked it's IP address, which was non-reserved DHCP and I'd meant to give it a reservation consistent with my IP number scheme anyway.

Created a DHCP reservation on DD-WRT router for it. End result: Hosed router. No idea how something so routine resulted in a non-functioning router.
Reset router and restored an old configuration.

After the reboot, webserver was not dishing up any content. Rebooted web server (running on a different netbook) and found it wouldn't start mysqld. I noticed the init.d/mysql file was trying to run safe_mysqld instead of mysqld_safe. No idea how that's happened and why it's gone unnoticed.
Also notice apache2 was excluded from the init.rc

So back to those pesky NFS shares. I looked again at the configuration on the NFS server (NAS box) and I've no idea how it ever worked. Authorised network segments were incorrectly configured. Fixed configuration and shares now mounted.

So now the good bit. I've managed to set-up printing via CUPS. And then create a new invoice in LibreOffice (based on an excel template), print it, PDF it and mail it.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 02 May, 2014, 11:42:05 pm
Excel. Almost enough said.

How it can give a result of zero for  =COUNTIF(S4:S155, S155)  is beyond me. So far beyond me that after 15 minutes of trying I did Save As >Tab delimited, booted up RStudio and got done what I needed in about 15 seconds.

I will generate an R script that will package that analysis for next year.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 04 May, 2014, 08:23:22 am
Bloody Devolo dLan wifi. The plug works, I can get Internet via a wired connection, but nothing - Mac, PC, iPad, phone - will connect to the wifi. They can all see it, they all have the correct code, but nothing will bloody connect. Bum.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: JStone on 04 May, 2014, 10:27:02 am
Bloody Devolo dLan wifi. The plug works, I can get Internet via a wired connection, but nothing - Mac, PC, iPad, phone - will connect to the wifi. They can all see it, they all have the correct code, but nothing will bloody connect. Bum.

Have you got MAC access control set? (Configuration > WLAN Configuration > WLAN Filters). I've got 3 x Devolo dLAN 500 & it generally Just Works unless someone turns off the wrong socket  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 04 May, 2014, 10:36:42 am
Cisco you are muppets. Yes the 3850 is a very lovely stacking switch with 480Gbps stacking backplane but why did you put the mode switch where the boot on a snagfree Ethernet cable can press it ? Its not funny when your a hundred and fifty miles from the datacentre and some one looks in the rack to see if there is pace for some new equipment and happens to move that cable slightly and it does press said mode button which wipes the config of the switch and reboots it thus disconnecting the Internet and my remote VPN connection so I cant even fix it without getting someone to physically go to the DC and plug in a console cable !!!!!!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 04 May, 2014, 06:14:57 pm
Bloody Devolo dLan wifi. The plug works, I can get Internet via a wired connection, but nothing - Mac, PC, iPad, phone - will connect to the wifi. They can all see it, they all have the correct code, but nothing will bloody connect. Bum.
Have you got MAC access control set? (Configuration > WLAN Configuration > WLAN Filters). I've got 3 x Devolo dLAN 500 & it generally Just Works unless someone turns off the wrong socket  :facepalm:

It was working fine. I have two of these plugs to extend the network in my house. They've been fine for a couple of years, but now this one's decided it doesn't want to work any more. All devices can detect it, but it won't let anything connect. I've 'restored' it to factory settings (it never had them changed anyway), but it just won't accept an connections. I guess some of the wigglyamps have gone on strike and it's preparing for a natural death, but I'd have preferred it if it had waited a few years longer!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 04 May, 2014, 06:19:38 pm
TimC,

Tried changing the channel? Or using an application like inSSIDer on a laptop to see if there's a plethora of wi fi access points using the same channel?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 04 May, 2014, 06:26:21 pm
Yes, I did try changing the channel - it's preset to auto, so I tried pretty much all of them. The Devolo 'cockpit' app is pretty good at giving access to these things, and I checked the firmware was up to date, that the security code hadn't been corrupted (the reset should have taken care if that anyway), and that it was actually receiving transmitting data via the mains (it was - works fine via an Ethernet cable). It's got me flummoxed, I must say!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 04 May, 2014, 10:56:30 pm
Have you tried testing it with no wireless key?
Try changing the SSID?

I've occasionally resolved issues like this by ditching any existing profiles for a wireless network and creating a new one. I think both Andr0id and iOS have options to "forget this network" as you scroll through your list of known networks. On Windows, I think it's under "My Wireless Networks" or some such.

Also, what security standard are you using? And which encryption algorithm? TKIP or AES? Are all of your devices compatible with it? I think most clients will automatically choose security standard (WPA, WPA2) and encryption algorithm based on the information communicated by the wireless network, so if that has changed any old profile won't work.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 05 May, 2014, 05:20:07 am
Yes, I've told all the devices to forget the network and start afresh. I'm using the WPA2 security as it comes out of the box; the plug has been restored to factory settings (several times). I can't remember which encryption it's using - I'm out of the country right now. But it will be whatever Devolo set as standard. I did try changing the SSID, but no difference. All of my devices previously connected with this plug with no problems. Now, none of the will, whether Mac, iOS, Windows, or Android. I tried removing all security from the plug; no change. All of my devices can see it, they just can't connect to it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 06 May, 2014, 09:54:44 pm
Excel. Almost enough said.

How it can give a result of zero for  =COUNTIF(S4:S155, S155)  is beyond me. So far beyond me that after 15 minutes of trying I did Save As >Tab delimited, booted up RStudio and got done what I needed in about 15 seconds.

I will generate an R script that will package that analysis for next year.

If that is your real example that's your problem: your criteria is is the range you are counting. Put it outside, t155 for example and all will be well.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 06 May, 2014, 09:55:59 pm
Windows 8.1 home networking!  Just fucking work, will you!  PC has a homegroup established, and will tell me its password.  New laptop can see the PC, and wants to join the homegroup.  So, following instructions it is giving me, I enter the homegroup password.  After a minute of thinking, it now decides it can no longer detect the network, even though it is telling me it is there, and wants to join it, and would I like to put in the password - again.  Aaaaand again, and again, and again.....  Oh fuck it, its quicker to just go upstairs and put the stuff on a USB stick and put that in the laptop.

And why does it copy to the laptop's SSD at around twice the speed anything will copy to or from the desktop's OCZ Revodrive PCI-E hybrid drive which claims a transfer speed twice that of the SATA SSD?   In both cases they are reading to or from the same USB3 stick.  that Revodrive is kack, its going in the bin.  I'd ditch it now, but I've blown a lot of money on the laptop.  Now, it did have a warranty, even though it was refurbished.  Can I just send it back as failing to meet the specs?  It seems to be acting like it doesn't have an SSD strapped to the back of the hard disk.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 06 May, 2014, 10:53:53 pm
And why does it copy to the laptop's SSD at around twice the speed anything will copy to or from the desktop's OCZ Revodrive PCI-E hybrid drive which claims a transfer speed twice that of the SATA SSD?   In both cases they are reading to or from the same USB3 stick.  that Revodrive is kack, its going in the bin.  I'd ditch it now, but I've blown a lot of money on the laptop.  Now, it did have a warranty, even though it was refurbished.  Can I just send it back as failing to meet the specs?  It seems to be acting like it doesn't have an SSD strapped to the back of the hard disk.

The motherboard could be crippling it, even if it's supposed to be compatible.  For a start, something like "PCIe x4" should appear during boot up.  My Revodrive in an Asus P7P55D-E only gets x1 on a cold boot, or x2 after resuming from standby.  I have to reset the PC to get the full four lanes.

And it's limited to 2.5GT/s, halving the top speed.  Still, it's a First World problem to complain about 735 MB/s.  :smug:  (Mine's a full SSD version rather than hybrid).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 07 May, 2014, 01:33:56 pm
I'll check what it says on bootup.  It should be a pretty whizzy mobo, what I bought to replace the P7P55D I had, which is now rehomed.  I'll recheck for latest drivers etc, too.  Its definitely the weak point on what should be a seriously fast PC. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 May, 2014, 12:33:28 am
 Aaaaaaarrrrgh! Either I'm too old-skool for my own good or this fucking thing is not fit for purpose ???  And where the fuck are the equivalent of the arrow keys? And why does it require me to hammer away at the screen like a drugged-up woodpecker just to close a fucking tab?

iPad? iCrap, more like >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 12 May, 2014, 03:32:31 pm
Take a deep breath and don't treat it like a PC it isnt a PC its a tablet.

The iPAD is many things, locked into to teh Apple Ecosystem, and overpriced for example but crap it isn't.

You need to learn the gestures rather than looking for arrow keys. Swipe up and down to scroll and three finger pinch to background an app.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 May, 2014, 03:47:51 pm
On current form I am more likely to treat it as a paperweight :-\  Also I've had enough pills in the last three months to satisfy my tabletty needs for the remainder of my life, so what Dr Larrington had in mind when she thought "my brother has consumed his own not-inconsiderable mass in chlordiazepoxide since his birthday so I will cheer him up by giving him a tablet" I wot not ???

It would help if it were supplied with something a little more comprehensive than a wossname the size of a playing card, which only tells you how to turn it on.  Even the online TFM leaves something to be desired, like the pommel of a broadsword applied vigorously to the head of its author.

Three finger pinch?  I thought that was something perfected by Mr Spock...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 12 May, 2014, 04:08:15 pm
You'll get there, Mr L. The iPad is a lovely device. It has some limitations, but far fewer than you'd think. It is different to a computer, and once you accept that and work with it rather than try and make it work with you, it'll fall into place. There are some websites that don't play nice with tablets (or phones), but that's their fault, not the device's.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 12 May, 2014, 05:12:17 pm
Are you musical at all Mr L ? If you like guitar or keyboards there is a huge amount of fun stuff for the iPAD most of which is very cheap. Hours of endless fun playing with synths etc.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 12 May, 2014, 06:28:00 pm
Give it to a small child to play with, and watch attentively.  It's like the Modern equivalent of the video machines of our youth...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: nicknack on 12 May, 2014, 07:33:05 pm
On the other hand...

Why the fuck is working with audio such a pain in Linux?

Fucking useless jack.

A few days ago, after a month or two of actually working, jack decides,"Enough is enough, I'm not doing it anymore." This is on the PC running Mint. Ok, I thinks, I'll use this one that's on Ubuntu, it's always been fine. But not now. "Sorry", says jack, "I'm not playing on this one either".

Back to fucking Windows and Cubase.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 12 May, 2014, 10:48:54 pm
On the other hand...

Why the fuck is working with audio such a pain in Linux?

Fucking useless jack.

Because every couple of years someone (presumably with clever reasons that make sense at the time) decides to reinvent the whole stack from scratch. So it's never quite finished, and application support is a mess.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 22 May, 2014, 11:44:09 am
XML Spy - Thank you for the really useless error message related to validating XML against a schema:

Quote
Sample.xml is not valid.
   Element <Delivery> is not allowed under element <Report>.
      Reason: The following elements are expected at this location (see below)
         <Success>
         <Delivery>
         <Error>
      Error location: Report / Delivery

I have a suspicion this namespace related, but it would be nice if you told me!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 May, 2014, 12:13:41 pm
You also get that same useless message when the correct order is required
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 23 May, 2014, 09:33:08 am
XML Spy - Thank you for the really useless error message related to validating XML against a schema:

Quote
Sample.xml is not valid.
   Element <Delivery> is not allowed under element <Report>.
      Reason: The following elements are expected at this location (see below)
         <Success>
         <Delivery>
         <Error>
      Error location: Report / Delivery

I have a suspicion this namespace related, but it would be nice if you told me!
Turns out to be a bug in the XML validator. Even though a default namespace is added to the root. it has to be explicitly put infront of the root tag. This is only an issue where a second schema is imported that uses a different target namespace.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 25 May, 2014, 02:50:05 pm
Plastic tool-free push fittings on CPU coolers.  Is it just me, or are these things shit - fiddly and prone to failing after three or four uses?

Using nuts and bolts instead would need access to the motherboard underside, but us punters don't seem to be trusted to not overtighten them anyway.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 May, 2014, 02:51:37 pm
Plastic tool-free push fittings on CPU coolers.  Is it just me, or are these things shit - fiddly and prone to failing after three or four uses?

It's not just you, but the vast majority of CPU coolers are fitted once.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 04 June, 2014, 02:35:04 pm
Grumbling while I work up to a rant...
Got my new Matrox box for smearing my laptop video out across multiple proper screens.
Except it doesn't. I just get one screen working and another blank. Swap the ports over and the other screen works, but that wasn't really the idea. The box can see two screens but is declining to use both at once. And technical support seems to be in another time zone.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 04 June, 2014, 03:19:40 pm
I've now fitted a new CPU cooler with a single quick-release lever type fitting, but unlike with bike wheel QRs, you can't adjust this thing to adjust the pressure on the CPU to make up for real-world difference from the theoretical perfection it's designed for.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 04 June, 2014, 03:22:19 pm
iTunes 11, you blow goats!

Why do you insist on scanning ALL the music in my collection each time you start up?

I think I might just swap to Media Monkey.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 04 June, 2014, 03:33:54 pm
Micro$haft. I have a license for XP. My VM is filled with treacle, so I wish to create a new one. The workig, active code won't activate XP, it is invalid, apparently. And be says they don't support XP any more the phone line authorisation bloke wouldn't do anything.
Yes, I know I could buy Win 7. Thing is, I've got a proper, full price eye-gouging copy of Win 8. I just want a lean, basic install of windows to do lean basic things. I'm not paying for that, I've already paid for it.

With their two biggest rivals giving OSs away, M$ must be leaching non-corporate users at an alarming rate.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 04 June, 2014, 08:36:25 pm
I reinstalled XP on my laptop. It won't hack Win7 and Win8 is a bit like Vista aka I won't use it cos it's evil.  I don't use proper OSes which pretend they are for tablets on principle!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 June, 2014, 12:16:47 pm
Book Crawler!  If I tell you that a book is by Iain M. Banks and not Iain Banks, then I expect you to take notice when I tap "Save".

And not slyly to reinstate Iain Banks as a co-author when my back is turned.

And the same goes for the translators of FOREIGN books.

 >:(

Edit: I think I have sussed this.  Is it obvious how to do it?

No.   No, it isn't.  Bah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 15 June, 2014, 06:30:39 pm
PC manufacturers and drivers.

With some manufactures (I'm looking at your right now Acer) you provide a model serial number and yet still they give you a choice of four possible drivers for a number of devices.
Why can't you record the exact specification for a given machine and spew out the exact driver instead of Realtek, Aetheros, Broadcom and a.n. other alternatives?

And whilst we're on the subject, how about one single package with all the drivers in? Saves instigating multiple small downloads and awaiting for available sockets before they can all begin.

Eh thank you.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 15 June, 2014, 08:47:10 pm
And whilst we're on the subject, how about one single package with all the drivers in? Saves instigating multiple small downloads and awaiting for available sockets before they can all begin.

They used to do this.  It was called a "driver CD".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 15 June, 2014, 09:37:41 pm
And whilst we're on the subject, how about one single package with all the drivers in? Saves instigating multiple small downloads and awaiting for available sockets before they can all begin.

Hear hear and here here.  You're also supposed to reset the machine after each individual driver install as well.  (I don't).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 15 June, 2014, 10:45:11 pm
Ditto. I tend to group them together.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 15 June, 2014, 11:17:06 pm
Yeahbut if Windows had it's way, you'd have to reboot for the updated mouse cursor position to take effect.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 June, 2014, 11:00:00 pm
Look, you pissweasels, I don't want to know that a file was modified "last week".  I want the date and time.

That is all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 19 June, 2014, 11:07:02 pm
Yeahbut if Windows had it's way, you'd have to reboot for the updated mouse cursor position to take effect.

One of the selling points of Win Server 2000 over NT4 was the fact that you didn't need to re-boot the server for every minor network change.

It was said ( only half-jokingly ) that moving your mouse pointer within 10 pixels of the network control panel icon in NT4 required a reboot....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 20 June, 2014, 02:15:36 pm
My experience with NTserver or whatever it was (the machine was nicknamed Yo-yo and not because it was tasty with a mint core) was that thinking about such things did't require a reboot from the operator, the machine was perfectly capable of spontaneously rebooting itself - about as stable as a pigsty.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 26 June, 2014, 10:33:56 pm
Photoshop CC 2014 is really slow.
Not just a fraction slower than the previous version. An order of magnitude slower.

That's on an i7, 16GB memory, GTx 660 video card which now also sports a rather fast SSD.

Very frustrated, I'm going to have to switch it back to the previous version.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 27 June, 2014, 08:06:48 am
OCZ, may you rot in hell, for ever.

I can't bring myself to write it again, see my post in "fettled any computer stuff" 

I would have been in the worlds most appalling ranting mood, but I received a lovely message from a friend this morning which rather dissolved it...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 27 June, 2014, 09:33:35 am
Firefox, stop being such a resource hog.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5153/14518197335_d6f98e2edb_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/o7Vyga)
system_monitor.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/o7Vyga) by pencyclist (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr

See the change between 20-30s? That's when FF shut down.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 27 June, 2014, 03:10:28 pm
The Joy of mailing lists

So someone occidentally used a group mailing list with a lot of people on it.

Phase 1. Everybody replies to all, saying "Please exclude me from this mail"

Phase 2 (currently) everybody replies to all saying "Stop replying to all"

Phase 3 will be complete shut down of mail  :hand:

ETA: Even better, people have put read receipts on them! :hand: :hand:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 June, 2014, 03:30:14 pm
See also people who reply to a mailing list digest message (which says in big friendly letters at the top "please do not include the the entire digest in your reply) with a one-line response to a message that has quoted the entire digest.  And append the entire digest to their one-line reply.

Top-posted, natch...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 27 June, 2014, 03:37:24 pm
I'm reminded of a marketing bod who sent a large powerpoint file to everyone in the company. This was at least a dozen years ago so mail servers didn't have the cheap disk space they have now. Cue much groaning of said mail servers as 200 or so copies of said large file filled every available bit of storage it had. Good job I wasn't the IT manager as I would have Had Words.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 June, 2014, 03:55:20 pm
Back when I toiled in the service of the Evil Squirrels in the Nut Mines, the marketroids decided it would be a good idea to send out an e-mail to a list of addresses they had bought.

Seven million of them.

They did it over the weekend, but it kept legitimate users from using e-mail until Wednesday.  The Mgt told them in no uncertain terms that legs would break if they ever did it again.

Guess what they did two weeks later?

IIRC someone was sacked for that one :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 28 June, 2014, 09:25:30 am
Dear "Partner" Organisation,

Now see here. I know XML can be both unwieldy and verbose, but when you want to send me (semi) structured data which contains both embedded crlf _and_ commas and for which I have to write _reliable_, _maintainable_ and _robust_  import code what, in the name of sweet wibbling baby jebus, makes you think that CSV is a good choice of export format?

All aboard for the day trip to the regex mines... which are neither reliable nor robust and are most especially _not_ maintainable.

Gits!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 28 June, 2014, 09:35:11 am
Look, you pissweasels, I don't want to know that a file was modified "last week".  I want the date and time.

That is all.
Hie thee to the Command window (as administrator for preference).
C:> dir  /TW  <--- Last written


While we're about it Win7's file search is horrid especially for a simple name search.  These days if I want to find a file my first resort is the command line.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 28 June, 2014, 11:09:30 am
Dear "Partner" Organisation,

Now see here. I know XML can be both unwieldy and verbose, but when you want to send me (semi) structured data which contains both embedded crlf _and_ commas and for which I have to write _reliable_, _maintainable_ and _robust_  import code what, in the name of sweet wibbling baby jebus, makes you think that CSV is a good choice of export format?

All aboard for the day trip to the regex mines... which are neither reliable nor robust and are most especially _not_ maintainable.

Gits!

We deal with millions of the things (though a good proportion of the so-called csv are actually |-delimited). Write or otherwise get hold of a robust csv parser and put it in your personal toolbox. Don't expect to do it in a single regex, then it will be both reliable and robust, and won't need maintaining, csv is not going to change any time soon.

XML is good for structured data. But it can take up to 500ms to serialise/deserialise even a fairly small file. If your data is simply a table of values, and you have a lot of data, then csv is a good choice (providing your parser is reliable and robust).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 28 June, 2014, 11:39:42 am
...and won't need maintaining, csv is not going to change any time soon.
Unfortunately the CSV extract is generated mandraulically so is _very_ vulnerable to unannounced change.

...XML is good for structured data. But it can take up to 500ms to serialise/deserialise even a fairly
small file.
Time / performance is not a major constraint for this and it would be nice to have (the illusion of?) stability. At least with XML it would be very easy to pick up on changes in the supplied extract and reject files that don't conform to an expected schema.

....If your data is simply a table of values and you have a lot of data...
Oh how I wish it were.  As for volume; a few tens, v. low  hundreds at the outside, of "rows".   _If_ it were large and _if_ it were XML I'd go for a forward-only reader rather than try and deserialise the whole lot to a DOM.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 June, 2014, 11:09:45 am
Look, you pissweasels, I don't want to know that a file was modified "last week".  I want the date and time.

That is all.
Hie thee to the Command window (as administrator for preference).
C:> dir  /TW  <--- Last written

Would that I could, but I was thinking specifically of the files that The Book Crawler app backs up to Dropbox.  I'm sure there are numerous other examples, thobut.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 30 June, 2014, 08:04:29 am
BD player claims to need an update, but every time it goes to install it claims there's no network available. Of course there's network available, that's how it worked out there was an update!

Now it won't allow cancel to skip past, or rather it does, but as soon as it connects to iplayer it goes back round the cycle. So basically it's now useless for any internet content.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 07 July, 2014, 04:25:05 pm
Fecking laptop threw the ball out of the pram.

While I was streaming the last 1700m of TdF and had just clicked "Go" to my weekly backup. It just beeped went to black screen reporting - Panic occurred, switching back to text console!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 07 July, 2014, 04:50:25 pm
BD player claims to need an update, but every time it goes to install it claims there's no network available. Of course there's network available, that's how it worked out there was an update!

Now it won't allow cancel to skip past, or rather it does, but as soon as it connects to iplayer it goes back round the cycle. So basically it's now useless for any internet content.

I have a BD player ( Can't remember make ) who's IP stack is just broken.

If it picks up an IP address from my DHCP  (it even has a reservation! ) then it can connect to some internet locations but not others.
Further research found that it was down to my non-std subnet mask. ( 255.255.255.192 ).
It simply doesn't work properly.
If I force the wrong netmask onto it, ( 255.255.255.0 ) then it basically works-ish.

( but obviously has the wrong netmask, and thinks that the entire 81.2.123.x subnet is local, so there's a range of non-local 81.2.123.x addresses it can't get to, but I just have to live with that.)

Looks like they only tested it with a 'normal' netmask of 255.255.255.0

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 07 July, 2014, 10:05:17 pm
PostgreSQL, Java and clever intermediate gubbins - time to talk to each other. I'm sure MySQL never gave me this hassle and without this level of mucking about in config files.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 July, 2014, 10:34:28 pm
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TAP A FUCKING LINK ON THIS THING BEFORE IT ACTUALLY TAKES NOTICE >:(

And no, the link briefly changing colour doesn't count.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 12 July, 2014, 11:55:47 am
PostgreSQL, Java and clever intermediate gubbins - time to talk to each other. I'm sure MySQL never gave me this hassle and without this level of mucking about in config files.

I cut out the clever intermediate stuff. Now they talk.
Taking enough to say that the code which used to work on MySQL doesn't work on Postgresql ... in two ways!
First to tell me that I have the wrong sort of results for selecting the first row. (There will be at most one row, why would selecting the first require going backwards?)
Second, to tell me that I've got a duplicate key. Whether this merits an exception is debatable. What it does merit is an exception whose error code is not "query worked just fine, well done" - you're raising an exception, how can it possibly be OK?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2014, 03:26:22 pm
It may be that there is some blindingly obvious way of reconfiguring Microsith Office Home & Stewed Ant 2013 such that the repulsive pastel colours can be replaced with something that more nearly resembles a serious piece of software rather than the nursery in Tarquin & Jocasta's little slice of Holland Park.  However the Beast of Redmond should note that my annual trip to USAnia will be longer than usual this year, so I will have more time to hunt you down.  And on finding you, you'll be asked politely to step into the bucket of wet cement prior to becoming closely acquainted with Puget Sound.

From a helicopter.

And I don't care if hiring said helicopter will max out my credit card - that colour scheme is an affront to humanity.  Gits.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 12 July, 2014, 07:48:22 pm
I will see your naff M$ Fisher-Price colour scheme with the, "Where the bloody hell have you hidden it!?" monochrome idiocy that is Visual Studio 2012 and raise you one TF400898 which kept me very very unpleasantly unamused for a very large part of Thursday.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 July, 2014, 09:43:45 am
"Where the hell have you hidden it?" is a given for a new release.  It took me about a week to find the "Home" button on one release of Firefox; they moved it from the left of the toolbar, where "Home" buttons had lived since Pre-Cambrian versions of Netscape, to the right.

This version of Chrome doesn't have one at all.  Make of that what you wil.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 15 July, 2014, 11:42:50 pm
Windows...

Do you really have to overwrite my boot partition every few weeks???
You are not my preferred OS anymore. Get over it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 18 July, 2014, 12:07:07 pm
University IT. 

8am to 10am are BUSINESS fucking hours for us.  No warning for *scheduled* maintenance on email with risk of downtime is a fucking joke. You *REALLY* shouldn't be taking our email down at those times without at least the courtesy of an email round you nobbers.  For context, I sent 83 emails yesterday. 

Two or three people I know couldn't log into our calendars this morning to find out where our meeting was, nor could we access our prep materials, all in fucking Outlook. IF WE HAD BEEN WARNED we could have done this yesterday.

Also, you totally didn't put that status update at 8:17 cos I was trying servicedesk till about 9:35 and nothing showed, lying twats.  And no at 10:35 it is not all fixed, I still can't get into outlook web access and nor can our team for our team mailbox...  I am awaiting documents and studes will be emailing our inbox and expecting a reply.

So I have fucking well issued a ticket request with a request for a response when web access is back and an explanation for the lack of warning for *SCHEDULED* maintenance. 

And that's on top of my other "open" ticket which is sitting there languishing away well out of SLA where you're not responding, so I'm adding updates and still no response, so the latest update was a "Respond with update even if not resolution within 5 days or I shall dob you into Boss3 for failing to even have the courtesy to respond...".  Especially as it's the second ticket on the issue cos the ITperson didn't do customer service and transfer me, he told me I had to submit a whole new ticket for the solution...   

IT used to be quite good and have reasonable SLAs.  However we're having a LOT of network issues and no one seems to communicate or give a fuck. 

Right, maybe Java has finally updated, had a little dance, shat all over my system and whatever else so I can go and fight with the shitty central database to find out my prospective student's offer info which I need before I can handle an urgent query.

And yes I am in a foul fucking mood after pointless meeting of pointlessness, too fucking hot and too much fuckwittery affecting my students which I have to magically resolve.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 18 July, 2014, 03:08:01 pm
Oi! Server under my desk - SSShhhhh!!!

Look, I know it's hot and I know you're busy, but could you wind down the fans just a wee bit?

<checks internal temps on iLO4>

Oh. No. I guess not.  :-\
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 22 July, 2014, 04:02:26 pm
I can't name names, but I've just found a really creatively broken password system:
To set the password: You can type a password containing letters, numbers and symbols. They silently strip out the symbols and accept your input.
To login: You can type the password as before. It fails the comparison and doesn't log you in. So presumably they're not stripping out the symbols this time!
How do I know this? Of course they'll email you the password in plain text.
(OK, that last bit doesn't qualify as creative.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 July, 2014, 06:33:13 pm
Apparently my lapdancer is supposed to speak Bluetooth.  I have spent much of the afternoon trying to confirm this hypothesis.  I have failed.  Spoons >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 26 July, 2014, 08:14:49 pm
Not a rant,  more a go figure and why?

Visit www.farcebook.com with chrome on android tablet, can't view flash movies. Change the www. to m.and it's playing happy, go figure.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TQ on 28 July, 2014, 03:24:37 pm
Not a rant,  more a go figure and why?

Visit www.farcebook.com with chrome on android tablet, can't view flash movies. Change the www. to m.and it's playing happy, go figure.

I'd imagine the mobile version uses HTML5 videos not Flash movies.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 30 July, 2014, 05:13:47 pm
git - your documentation said splitting out a subfolder into a new project was easy. This was a lie.

First of all, the way you handle renames (you guess a file of the same name might be your ancestor, and if not have to perform a search for a similar-ish file) is asinine.

Second, you don't have a way to find the ancestors of a bunch of renamed files and keep these. So if I have a subfolder foo containing a file bar.c and I want to maintain its history across renames I have to rice delete everything. Eos else. (Autocorrect fail).

This repository contains 75000+ commits. I have it down to 65000 yet the history of my interesting folder is only several thousands of commits. So there are about 65000 commits of irrelevant deleted or moved files to find and prune.

Sigh.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 July, 2014, 06:31:18 pm
Is 'git' some kind of software package or your opinion of the person responsible?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 30 July, 2014, 06:38:24 pm
Both
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 30 July, 2014, 08:18:53 pm
So the laptop I bought my parents a year or so back is teetering on the edge of infinity popup oblivion. I just took control with Teamviewer. Oh my god, did they ever meet a piece of malware they didn't like? It's a foul menagerie of adware, spyware, and viruses. Is there a link they didn't click? Even Finestre, the demon of such things, would stand a ways back and poke the computer with a stick. They somehow managed to de-activate every security option I set up.

This is Finestre's revenge because I was too tight to buy them a Mac. It's going to be a long night. It might be easier to tell them to bin it and buy them an iPad. I'm going to make some popcorn.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 30 July, 2014, 08:33:00 pm
I'm going to have to divert home from Leeds on Sunday to South Manchester to go and find out what the feck my mum has done to her ADSL... It's very likely she's unplugged its phoneline extension or has a phone on the line with no microfilter.  Attempts at remote diagnosis weren't getting me anywhere and she's especially dappy at the moment. It is also possible her router has gone actually senile.

She's not too bad for spyware clickfest thankfully.  I did find out the very spammy narrowboat crap in her email (which I keep an eye on for her) was actually a thing she signed up for and not actual spam. I've attempted an unsubscribe cos even she feels 2x emails a day is a bit much.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 July, 2014, 08:33:31 pm
I noted only today that I find the iPad to be of little practical value but is one of the finest aids to wasting time yet invented.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: red marley on 30 July, 2014, 09:51:57 pm
So the laptop I bought my parents a year or so back is teetering on the edge of infinity popup oblivion. I just took control with Teamviewer. Oh my god, did they ever meet a piece of malware they didn't like? It's a foul menagerie of adware, spyware, and viruses. Is there a link they didn't click? Even Finestre, the demon of such things, would stand a ways back and poke the computer with a stick. They somehow managed to de-activate every security option I set up.

This is Finestre's revenge because I was too tight to buy them a Mac. It's going to be a long night. It might be easier to tell them to bin it and buy them an iPad. I'm going to make some popcorn.

To help you through the night...

http://youtu.be/2Pn1YrBTbA8
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 30 July, 2014, 10:48:50 pm
So the laptop I bought my parents a year or so back is teetering on the edge of infinity popup oblivion. I just took control with Teamviewer. Oh my god, did they ever meet a piece of malware they didn't like? It's a foul menagerie of adware, spyware, and viruses. Is there a link they didn't click? Even Finestre, the demon of such things, would stand a ways back and poke the computer with a stick. They somehow managed to de-activate every security option I set up.

This is Finestre's revenge because I was too tight to buy them a Mac. It's going to be a long night. It might be easier to tell them to bin it and buy them an iPad. I'm going to make some popcorn.

To help you though the night...

http://youtu.be/2Pn1YrBTbA8

Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.


(seriously - that sounds like a candidate for a clean windows install)

EDIT: On reflection - perhaps even an Ubuntu installation. Would be more resistant to click happy 'rents
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 31 July, 2014, 09:29:27 am
Both

Correct.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Tim Hall on 31 July, 2014, 04:35:31 pm
Last time I went to un-malware my Dad's computer, he said it should have parental controls on it. Controls to stop my parents b0rking it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 July, 2014, 05:15:32 pm
Apple!  I salute the unsung genius among you who arranged it such that unplugging the 30-pin wossname from an old-akool iPod Classic dock require that you first unplug the >...BZZZTT!...< lead going into the >...GRRRKK!!1!...< hi-fi amplifier >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 31 July, 2014, 07:44:32 pm
So the laptop I bought my parents a year or so back is teetering on the edge of infinity popup oblivion. I just took control with Teamviewer. Oh my god, did they ever meet a piece of malware they didn't like? It's a foul menagerie of adware, spyware, and viruses. Is there a link they didn't click? Even Finestre, the demon of such things, would stand a ways back and poke the computer with a stick. They somehow managed to de-activate every security option I set up.

This is Finestre's revenge because I was too tight to buy them a Mac. It's going to be a long night. It might be easier to tell them to bin it and buy them an iPad. I'm going to make some popcorn.

To help you though the night...

http://youtu.be/2Pn1YrBTbA8

Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.


(seriously - that sounds like a candidate for a clean windows install)

EDIT: On reflection - perhaps even an Ubuntu installation. Would be more resistant to click happy 'rents

Well, I would nuke it from orbit, but I'm saving the codes for a special occasion. Truth is, I know bugger all about Windows these days, and to say it's riddled with malware is an understatement of epic proportions. There's a malware equivalent of UKIP in there claiming that other malware keeps arriving and taking their jobs. Despite removing dozens I still can't even get into my father's account, there's something blocking Teamviewer and any kind of remote access. As far as I can tell something has inserted its own proxy and hacked the hosts files (hey, if they still have them). No traffic is going where it should.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this in person, hence the remote approach, but after three hours I threw in the towel. I'll have one more brief try but I think the machine is irretrievably compromised.

It doesn't help that my parents don't speak computer, so lots of conversations like this

"There's something on the screen."
"What's a something?"
"Java something?"
"A dialogue box?"
"?"
"A square box. It should have some text about Java and some buttons."
"Yes, it says Java."
"But what does it say?"
"Something about Java and some numbers."
"Could you just read what it says to me?"
"I just clicked the OK button."

ArrrrrggggggghHHHHHHHHH. This after I'd specifically told them to stop clicking OK and Next on everything that pops up.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 August, 2014, 01:16:45 am
Will whatever the fuck it was that was causing the pointer on my lapdancer to bounce around the screen like Tigger on mood-altering Drugz please to not be doing it again.

kthxbai
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 02 August, 2014, 11:59:32 am
Fettle laptop by swapping hard drives then notice certain keys no longer work......arghhh.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 August, 2014, 04:27:10 am
Album cocking artwork on iTunes is driving me stark staring mad >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 03 August, 2014, 06:57:20 am
Album cocking artwork on iTunes is driving me stark staring mad >:(
Truly a pain in the arse. Every other application can just find the artwork, it's right there with the songs, but iTunes has to be shown where it is. For every single album.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 03 August, 2014, 12:17:14 pm
Album cocking artwork on iTunes is driving me stark staring mad >:(
Truly a pain in the arse. Every other application can just find the artwork, it's right there with the songs, but iTunes has to be shown where it is. For every single album.

Weird. It's always found artwork fine throughout my library — the majority self-ripped.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 August, 2014, 12:19:55 pm
It's worse than that.  Some albums it finds artwork for.  Some it doesn't but you can add it manually.  And some just refuse to accept the existence of the very concept.  Unless you use the "Albums" view, in which case they suddenly can and it looks like the forty minutes you spent trying to persuade HMHB's "Eno Collaboration EP" to show its cover to the world were not in vain and then you go back to the "Songs" view and it disappears again and sometimes I want to visit Cupertino with a chainsaw and run through the corridors of Fruit Central shouting "It's WRONG, you lemming-brained cluster of planks!  MAKE IT FUCKING WORK!!!"

And breathe.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 05 August, 2014, 10:59:27 am
I did finally clear the crud from the parental laptop. Mostly perspiration, I threw every malware and security app at the problem until it worked. Something called Hitman Pro and the Trend online scanner seemed to do the final trick. It now comes up clean. Let's see how long it takes for that to change.

I did clear the browsing history because there's some things I don't want to know and I'm pretty sure there's only one place you can get that much malware delivered direct to your desktop. Sadly, I neglected to clear the bookmark bar on the basis he might have had something useful saved there. Now, I can't delete the cache in my head. Dad, really, at your age. Still, it was age-appropriate 'mature p0rn'.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 05 August, 2014, 11:26:00 am
I once had to clear off dadp0rn off a machine being given to his dad.  We had forgotten to delete some of it and had to concoct an excuse for me to distract him while my ex did porn deletion duty...  Dear parents, hide your pr0n better, no love, nerdy kids.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hulver on 05 August, 2014, 11:57:08 am
Windows 8.1. Oh dear.

I was expecting a bit of culture shock. I know it's going to be different from Windows 7. I expected that.

So, shiney new tablet running Windows 8.1.

First experience, setting up a user when you first turn the thing on. Nice screens guiding you through the process. You MUST create a microsoft account to create a new user. Grrr.
Put nice secure (PITA to type in) password onto account, as it's accessible online.

Wake machine up. Need to enter password. GRRRR! Everytime! WTSF!

Look online for way to turn off "Enter password on unlock" option. Can't find one. Only online solution that looks like it might work involves the command line (Come on MS, are you taking the piss now). I run the command, which shows a standard windows user management screen, which pops up a dialog box "This tool doesn't work in Windows 8.1, please use the user configuration screen in PC settings", which I looked at first and doesn't give anyway to turn off the requirement to enter a password on unlock.

Finally create another user account, and creating it this way allows me to do it without joining it to a MS online account, so I can unlock the thing without a password. Of course, most of the widgets on the "Start screen" require an MS account to work...

Still, a minor annoyance I think, just part of the setting up process and getting used to a whole new system.

Start using the thing. Nice screen. Install chrome on it, works well. Start typing something on a web site. On screen keyboard is shockingly bad. I'm so used to swype on Android, that a Keyboard so basic it doesn't even auto-capitilise the first letter of a new sentence seems so primitive. Absolutely no auto-correct at all.

See somewhere online that suggests Windows 8.1 does auto-suggest correct spelling. Can't find anywhere to change keyboard settings.

Manage to shutdown the thing by accident somehow, as a screen popped up saying "are you sure you want to shutdown? Swipe to continue". I swipe the opposite way to the way the arrow is pointing and the thing shuts down.

Start it up again and try and look for keyboard settings. Find the control panel (swipe in from the right hand side of the screen, of course!) but the only entries I can find are for the standard Windows keyboard controls (how long you press a key before it repeats) which requires a physical keyboard, or the accessability controls, which are nothing to do with the touch screen keyboard.

Try and look for anything, can't find it.

Very, very frustrating experience. Stuff isn't easy to find. Even googling and following screenshots often doesn't work, as stuff seems to move around and not be where it should be.

Having something so frustrating in such an easily lobable format is very dangerous.

I've used everything from Dos version 3 (different config.sys & autoexec.bat files for different programs to make the most of the available memory) through windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7. Linux versions from Slackware floppy sets, through redhat, debian, ubuntu, that one you compile from source that I can't remember the name of, many different versions. I found setting up a mixture of debian packages and compiled from source applications less frustrating than trying to use Windows 8.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 August, 2014, 12:07:47 pm
And all this "Libraries" stuff.  Real operating systems have a file in one place, and one place only.  Come to that, real libraries have books in one place and one place only, unless they're in West Suffolk and file John Grisham novels under "Legal" instead of "Fiction".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 05 August, 2014, 02:00:33 pm
I did clear the browsing history because there's some things I don't want to know and I'm pretty sure there's only one place you can get that much malware delivered direct to your desktop. Sadly, I neglected to clear the bookmark bar on the basis he might have had something useful saved there. Now, I can't delete the cache in my head. Dad, really, at your age. Still, it was age-appropriate 'mature p0rn'.

http://amateurgilfs.com ?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 06 August, 2014, 11:00:05 pm
Virgin Media. Please to be replacing cheese straws with the fibre that used to be there.

Then I can gat a stabel connection rather than one which drops and times out.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 07 August, 2014, 09:29:12 am
Ah, apparently it might be my not so super-hub because the phonedroid could not connect to it via the internot. So a real technician has an appointment to not turn up tomorrow.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 August, 2014, 09:39:03 am
Dear Babbage-Engine,

Here is what you are supposed to do when I click "Hibernate": go sleepy-byes.

Here is what you are not supposed to do when I click "Hibernate": start playing Back In Black.

I can only assume that Finestre, the Demon of Such Things, is a closet AC/DC fan.

Now, would you kindly restart?

kthxbai
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tonycollinet on 07 August, 2014, 11:02:09 pm

It doesn't help that my parents don't speak computer, so lots of conversations like this

"There's something on the screen."
"What's a something?"
"Java something?"
"A dialogue box?"
"?"
"A square box. It should have some text about Java and some buttons."
"Yes, it says Java."
"But what does it say?"
"Something about Java and some numbers."
"Could you just read what it says to me?"
"I just clicked the OK button."

ArrrrrggggggghHHHHHHHHH. This after I'd specifically told them to stop clicking OK and Next on everything that pops up.

Bin there, done that, bought the t-shirt....in triplicate....complete with the artfully torn jeans, white loafers, linen jacket and bowler hat.

Few activities put my phone and TV in such danger of mutual destruction.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 August, 2014, 01:45:21 pm
Guess who's getting on my tits again?  That's right, the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia!  The Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia tell me an update is available for iTunes, so I ask the Babbage-Engine to install it.  Version 11.3.1.2, in case you're interested.

The install fails.  I try again.

The install fails.  I reboot and try again.

The install fails.  As suggested by the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia's wossname, I download the update and attempt to run manually.

Nothing happens at all.  It seems that the next option is to nuke the whole fucking installation from orbit and start from scratch.  This is utter bollocks.  If it wasn't a Saturday I'd be charging you for my time.  Arsewipes.

Edit: so I nuke the old installation as per the instructions buried somewhere deep in the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia's support fora.  Then download the setup program and run it.  Somewhat to my surprise, the install actually works, but just in case, I uncheck the "Check for updates automagically" wossname.  I would not like the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia to start getting complacent and thinking that I trust it to Do The Right Thing or anything.

Out of interest, I clicky "Help...Check for Updates", whereupon I am informed that "This version of iTunes (11.3.1) is the current version."

The only reason I will not be killing Steve-o utterly to DETH when I'm next in California is because he's already dead.  I will have further to research whether it is possible to arrange for the BEAR to have Steve-o's remains for his tea.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 09 August, 2014, 02:32:19 pm
Windows 8.1. Oh dear.

I was expecting a bit of culture shock. I know it's going to be different from Windows 7. I expected that.

So, shiney new tablet running Windows 8.1.

First experience, setting up a user when you first turn the thing on. Nice screens guiding you through the process. You MUST create a microsoft account to create a new user. Grrr.
Put nice secure (PITA to type in) password onto account, as it's accessible online.

Wake machine up. Need to enter password. GRRRR! Everytime! WTSF!

Look online for way to turn off "Enter password on unlock" option. Can't find one. Only online solution that looks like it might work involves the command line (Come on MS, are you taking the piss now). I run the command, which shows a standard windows user management screen, which pops up a dialog box "This tool doesn't work in Windows 8.1, please use the user configuration screen in PC settings", which I looked at first and doesn't give anyway to turn off the requirement to enter a password on unlock.

Finally create another user account, and creating it this way allows me to do it without joining it to a MS online account, so I can unlock the thing without a password. Of course, most of the widgets on the "Start screen" require an MS account to work...

Still, a minor annoyance I think, just part of the setting up process and getting used to a whole new system.

Start using the thing. Nice screen. Install chrome on it, works well. Start typing something on a web site. On screen keyboard is shockingly bad. I'm so used to swype on Android, that a Keyboard so basic it doesn't even auto-capitilise the first letter of a new sentence seems so primitive. Absolutely no auto-correct at all.

See somewhere online that suggests Windows 8.1 does auto-suggest correct spelling. Can't find anywhere to change keyboard settings.

Manage to shutdown the thing by accident somehow, as a screen popped up saying "are you sure you want to shutdown? Swipe to continue". I swipe the opposite way to the way the arrow is pointing and the thing shuts down.

Start it up again and try and look for keyboard settings. Find the control panel (swipe in from the right hand side of the screen, of course!) but the only entries I can find are for the standard Windows keyboard controls (how long you press a key before it repeats) which requires a physical keyboard, or the accessability controls, which are nothing to do with the touch screen keyboard.

Try and look for anything, can't find it.

Very, very frustrating experience. Stuff isn't easy to find. Even googling and following screenshots often doesn't work, as stuff seems to move around and not be where it should be.

Having something so frustrating in such an easily lobable format is very dangerous.

I've used everything from Dos version 3 (different config.sys & autoexec.bat files for different programs to make the most of the available memory) through windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7. Linux versions from Slackware floppy sets, through redhat, debian, ubuntu, that one you compile from source that I can't remember the name of, many different versions. I found setting up a mixture of debian packages and compiled from source applications less frustrating than trying to use Windows 8.

The worst aspect would be finding that there are many 12 year olds, or maybe younger, who think Windows 8.1 is a doddle.  And for whom it was probably designed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrij on 09 August, 2014, 08:45:44 pm
The worst aspect would be finding that there are many 12 year olds, or maybe younger, who think Windows 8.1 is a doddle.  And for by whom it was probably designed.

 ;)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 August, 2014, 05:12:14 pm
My Patent Compare the Contents of My iPod With Those of My iTunes Library SCIENCE is reporting a discrepancy, in that one particular track is present on the iPod but not in iTunes.  And vice-versa.

For the same track ???

Which I had just removed from both, then re-imported.

The SCIENCE works quite happily for the other 9604 tracks which should be present in both locations, so I can only assume that the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia's own SCIENCE doesn't like the song title being ~.  It doesn't mind any other odd characters, such as might be found in the titles of Sigur Ròs tunes, so this is making me Cross.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Aidan on 12 August, 2014, 07:48:04 pm
Windows 8.1. Oh dear.

I was expecting a bit of culture shock. I know it's going to be different from Windows 7. I expected that.

So, shiney new tablet running Windows 8.1.

First experience, setting up a user when you first turn the thing on. Nice screens guiding you through the process. You MUST create a microsoft account to create a new user. Grrr.
Put nice secure (PITA to type in) password onto account, as it's accessible online.

Wake machine up. Need to enter password. GRRRR! Everytime! WTSF!

Look online for way to turn off "Enter password on unlock" option. Can't find one. Only online solution that looks like it might work involves the command line (Come on MS, are you taking the piss now). I run the command, which shows a standard windows user management screen, which pops up a dialog box "This tool doesn't work in Windows 8.1, please use the user configuration screen in PC settings", which I looked at first and doesn't give anyway to turn off the requirement to enter a password on unlock.

Finally create another user account, and creating it this way allows me to do it without joining it to a MS online account, so I can unlock the thing without a password. Of course, most of the widgets on the "Start screen" require an MS account to work...

Still, a minor annoyance I think, just part of the setting up process and getting used to a whole new system.

Start using the thing. Nice screen. Install chrome on it, works well. Start typing something on a web site. On screen keyboard is shockingly bad. I'm so used to swype on Android, that a Keyboard so basic it doesn't even auto-capitilise the first letter of a new sentence seems so primitive. Absolutely no auto-correct at all.

See somewhere online that suggests Windows 8.1 does auto-suggest correct spelling. Can't find anywhere to change keyboard settings.

Manage to shutdown the thing by accident somehow, as a screen popped up saying "are you sure you want to shutdown? Swipe to continue". I swipe the opposite way to the way the arrow is pointing and the thing shuts down.

Start it up again and try and look for keyboard settings. Find the control panel (swipe in from the right hand side of the screen, of course!) but the only entries I can find are for the standard Windows keyboard controls (how long you press a key before it repeats) which requires a physical keyboard, or the accessability controls, which are nothing to do with the touch screen keyboard.

Try and look for anything, can't find it.

Very, very frustrating experience. Stuff isn't easy to find. Even googling and following screenshots often doesn't work, as stuff seems to move around and not be where it should be.

Having something so frustrating in such an easily lobable format is very dangerous.

I've used everything from Dos version 3 (different config.sys & autoexec.bat files for different programs to make the most of the available memory) through windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7. Linux versions from Slackware floppy sets, through redhat, debian, ubuntu, that one you compile from source that I can't remember the name of, many different versions. I found setting up a mixture of debian packages and compiled from source applications less frustrating than trying to use Windows 8.

I hate windows 8 almost as much as I hate Dell...

My Dell has an in built thing which only allows it to charge from a Dell ( read expensive) lead and charger. Of course now the thing has gone faulty , which from an Google is a very very common occurrence.  So it doesnt charge or recognise the proper charger so has to work only while plugged in. Great for a laptop.

Even worse it has now developed a fault where it intermittently just turns itself off.

So now I am left with a choice of buying a new laptop which is either Windows 8 ( which I hate with a passion) or going Apple and paying over the odds for a shiny that will need extra software to run my favourite programs Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 12 August, 2014, 08:12:18 pm
I've had laptops/netbooks do that before.
Turning them off, taking the batteries out for a good while and then reinserting the battery/re-attching the charger solved it. Worth a shot?

Do you NEED windows or OS X?

There are some nice Chromebooks about. And there's always Linux as an option.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 12 August, 2014, 08:14:00 pm
Today's xkcd as a rant by proxy:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/universal_converter_box.png) (http://xkcd.com/1406/)

"What, no RS232?"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 12 August, 2014, 08:47:50 pm
Missing the Nintendo DS ones (three different chargers for 3 different models, at last they have seen the light and 3ds is micro usb)

Another thing, token ring and ethernet are not connectors, they are protocols. Ditto fibre, multiple different ways of connecting it.

No SATA, either.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Aidan on 12 August, 2014, 10:10:47 pm
I've had laptops/netbooks do that before.
Turning them off, taking the batteries out for a good while and then reinserting the battery/re-attching the charger solved it. Worth a shot?

Do you NEED windows or OS X?

There are some nice Chromebooks about. And there's always Linux as an option.

Thanks , but have tried that mad lots of other things.  I want windows, so will probably by a  new laptop and a copy of windows 7 , or I may go Apple and get  parallels
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 August, 2014, 10:55:13 pm
Nor does it have that strange USB one shaped like the end of a house which I have feeding data from an external hard drive.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 13 August, 2014, 12:29:58 am
Apple with Parallels for running the odd legacy app.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 August, 2014, 09:33:20 am
The diagram was useful inasmuch as I wasn't previously aware of the existence of Bluetooth dongles.  My new lapdancer is supposed to speak Bluetooth, but doesn't.  Hence getting a photo from my dumbphone to the intertubes involves the old lapdancer, Google Drive and prodigious swearing.

Bluetooth dongle now ordered.  Thanks, Kim :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rafletcher on 13 August, 2014, 10:46:07 am

So now I am left with a choice of buying a new laptop which is either Windows 8 ( which I hate with a passion) or going Apple and paying over the odds for a shiny that will need extra software to run my favourite programs Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh

No, ypu can buy "professional" laptops (certainly from Dell) with Windows 7 Pro on them as standard, or with a "downgrade" licence from 8 to 7.

FWIW we use Dell at work - a large multinational - and have relatively few hardware problems.  The E6440 i7 with SSD I have is fast and quiet.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 13 August, 2014, 10:49:58 am
I'm having a trip down memory lane here - trying to support a customer in India, with no English, who's buggered their database which is running on Windows NT/SQL Server 2000.

They sent a backup for me to diagnose. FFS you n00bs, you could at least have truncated the log before sending it - 268Gb!!  :o
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 13 August, 2014, 10:50:17 am
Apple with Parallels for running the odd legacy app.

Virtualbox works fine these days and is free.

Though, to be honest, unless it's very specialised, you can probably find the same software or something similar that runs natively on a Mac. I only fire up a Win7 VM out of morbid curiosity and because it's an easier way of satisfying Finestre, the Demon of Such Things, than sacrificing small mammals.

For some reason, the mothership decided to shave a few pennies off its budget by giving us laptops without Bluetooth. It took me ages to find out via the labyrinth of windows settings (seriously Microsoft, how deep do you have to get in the system before it fesses up and says I've not got a Bluetooth chip, rather than merely hint there might be a hidden variable several clicks into the future that will turn it on). Shitmonkeys, it's 2014, just put a chip in by default and develop a UI for it that doesn't feel like you've sustained a significant head injury.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 13 August, 2014, 05:16:25 pm
It always strikes me that someone in M$ has a sense of humour. As you probably know, all the stuffs normally have command line alternatives for starting. The one for Local User Mangement? lusermgr.msc  ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Aidan on 14 August, 2014, 06:18:50 am

So now I am left with a choice of buying a new laptop which is either Windows 8 ( which I hate with a passion) or going Apple and paying over the odds for a shiny that will need extra software to run my favourite programs Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh

No, ypu can buy "professional" laptops (certainly from Dell) with Windows 7 Pro on them as standard, or with a "downgrade" licence from 8 to 7.

FWIW we use Dell at work - a large multinational - and have relatively few hardware problems.  The E6440 i7 with SSD I have is fast and quiet.

Nope, no chance I'll ever buy another Dell. If it wasn't for their fuckwit "you've got to use a genuine charger" thingy I wouldn't need a new laptop in the first place! .  A google says this is a common occurrence.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rafletcher on 14 August, 2014, 10:08:20 am

So now I am left with a choice of buying a new laptop which is either Windows 8 ( which I hate with a passion) or going Apple and paying over the odds for a shiny that will need extra software to run my favourite programs Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh

No, ypu can buy "professional" laptops (certainly from Dell) with Windows 7 Pro on them as standard, or with a "downgrade" licence from 8 to 7.

FWIW we use Dell at work - a large multinational - and have relatively few hardware problems.  The E6440 i7 with SSD I have is fast and quiet.

Nope, no chance I'll ever buy another Dell. If it wasn't for their fuckwit "you've got to use a genuine charger" thingy I wouldn't need a new laptop in the first place! .  A google says this is a common occurrence.

Common for people writing on t'internet - a self selecting sample. My Dell at home has the same charger (though on it's second battery) after 8 years. At work there isn't a prevalence of failed chargers either. YMMV of course.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 14 August, 2014, 10:53:25 am
Indeed, there's no group for people whose Dell chargers haven't failed...

I've been using mothership Dells since the Jurassic, never had a charger fail, nor anyone I've worked with.

One of my Dell's self-immolated though (battery fire). Which was fun.

I have an E6430. Not bad, but not nearly as nice as my Macbook.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 14 August, 2014, 11:29:15 am
I have five Dell laptops in my house - an old Studio XPS of my own, and four Inspiron laptops for the kids. Two of them have had chargers fail - bit of a pisser, and way above the proportion that should be expected. However, both were replaced with £10 Chinese chargers from Amazon, and both work fine.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biff on 14 August, 2014, 05:11:01 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/estimation.png)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 August, 2014, 09:32:52 am
The person who designed the trackpad on this 'ere Babbage-Engine (Asus X102BA) wants polishing with a cheesegrater before being pickled in brine >:(  The whole pad can be used for both the clicky function and moving the cursor, and there's nothing to show where right-click ends and left-click begins.  OK, there's a line on the bit which would have been clicky-only on the old one but it cannot be felt with the naked fingertip.  So if you breathe while trying to do any kind of accurate clicky-Stuffs the cursor is not where you expect it to be when you look at the screen again chiz.

Plus the cursor appears to be affected by gravity ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 16 August, 2014, 03:30:00 am
Oh the laptop needs a thin hard drive and that my 160 isn't....arrggghhhhh

so cheap as possible 2.5 thin hard drives.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 August, 2014, 07:29:26 pm
Webshites operators!  If I decide that I prefer the desktop version of your shite over the mobile one, then that's my choice.  It's none of your fucking business how I view your shite, whether I'm using an iPad, a lapdancer, a Cray II or fucking carrier pigeons.  So when I carefully edit the url in the browser wossname bar to remove the bit telling the shite that I don't want the mobile version, don't fucking put the bastard thing straight back again.  It cannot be difficult to use biscuits or something to store my preferences and have them take precedence over yours, you Big Brothery ratfucks :(

If I want that level of nannying I'll go to the Mega-Global Walled Garden Corporation of Menlo Park, USAnia, not Wikipedia oops what a giveaway.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 16 August, 2014, 09:48:28 pm
Hai Microsh4ft.

Thanks again for bestowing your latest cacophony of updates upon me .. I'm honoured that you'd think such a wretched soul is worthy.

But do you think, pretty please, that you could refrain from once again overwriting my boot partition?

Ta Very Mooch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 29 August, 2014, 02:11:28 pm
ASP.Net

You are shit, that is all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 29 August, 2014, 06:09:33 pm
Does anyone still use that?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 29 August, 2014, 08:05:09 pm
Oh god yes;  Not only the .Net variant.  I still see ads. and get slave trader spam for _classic_ (classic? hah!) ASP jobs.  It may not be much fun to work with, but ASP.Net is soooo much better than its predecessor.  If you want vile, try WPF.  Trying to chase down exceptions that appear to bubble out of nowhere because of buried (and untraceable) property change notification events; that and trying to fathom some of the "clever, clever" XAML* bindings that people create. _Shudder_


*Write once read never.  Ick.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 29 August, 2014, 10:10:07 pm
<oldfart_mode=on>
Does no-one code to the native win32 api according to Petzold anymore?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 August, 2014, 01:21:39 am
If you can't do it in FORTRAN it's probably not worth doing it at all :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 30 August, 2014, 07:54:44 am
Unfortunately I have had it dumped upon me.

Despite being taken on as a Linux/Java server support person, the majority of my time is spent either fixing bugs in the aforementioned pile of shit, or designing forms is Adobe LifeCycle.

Additional rant. Windows update for Win7. We don't use media centre, we have no intention of using, or any interest inusing it. So why the merry hell do the latest batch of updates 1) force an update of said media centre and 2) that update stops media centre from starting properly, which prevents the wireless connection from getting an internet connection(sounds implausible, but disabling the service fixes the issue!).  Useless bunch of wankers.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 30 August, 2014, 08:09:31 pm
Additional rant. Windows update for Win7. We don't use media centre, we have no intention of using, or any interest inusing it. So why the merry hell do the latest batch of updates 1) force an update of said media centre and 2) that update stops media centre from starting properly, which prevents the wireless connection from getting an internet connection(sounds implausible, but disabling the service fixes the issue!).  Useless bunch of wankers.
M$ have had some serious issues with patch quality over the last year to two years.  I don't think there have been six months together over that period when they haven't had to pull a cripplingly bad patch for one or other or their OSs.  You won't be surprised to hear that I wait at least a week (often longer) before applying patches after a Patch Tuesday; having kept a close eye on The Register in the interim in case there's a bad one in the batch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 30 August, 2014, 09:03:46 pm
Additional rant. Windows update for Win7. We don't use media centre, we have no intention of using, or any interest inusing it. So why the merry hell do the latest batch of updates 1) force an update of said media centre and 2) that update stops media centre from starting properly, which prevents the wireless connection from getting an internet connection(sounds implausible, but disabling the service fixes the issue!).  Useless bunch of wankers.
M$ have had some serious issues with patch quality over the last year to two years.  I don't think there have been six months together over that period when they haven't had to pull a cripplingly bad patch for one or other or their OSs.  You won't be surprised to hear that I wait at least a week (often longer) before applying patches after a Patch Tuesday; having kept a close eye on The Register in the interim in case there's a bad one in the batch.

Not like one of our customers, then, who have their public facing web server set to automatic download AND install for patches...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 02 September, 2014, 11:40:48 am
If you're organisation is using WSUS to collate/distribute Windows Updates, I think you can disable updates for Windows 7 Meeja Centre.
I have a feint recollection of doing exactly that in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 12 September, 2014, 08:51:06 pm
Additional rant. Windows update for Win7. We don't use media centre, we have no intention of using, or any interest inusing it. So why the merry hell do the latest batch of updates 1) force an update of said media centre and 2) that update stops media centre from starting properly, which prevents the wireless connection from getting an internet connection(sounds implausible, but disabling the service fixes the issue!).  Useless bunch of wankers.
M$ have had some serious issues with patch quality over the last year to two years.  I don't think there have been six months together over that period when they haven't had to pull a cripplingly bad patch for one or other or their OSs.  You won't be surprised to hear that I wait at least a week (often longer) before applying patches after a Patch Tuesday; having kept a close eye on The Register in the interim in case there's a bad one in the batch.
And they've done it (yet) again.  If you can be arsed; google KB 2918614.  Does unhelpful and weird things to some Win7 and Win8 installations.

ETA.
TFS API.  What a badly documented appalling unintuitive mess.   Sorry; too late in the day so not enough energy to rant _properly_.  Please assume that your correspondent is both beetroot complexioned and incoherent with rage and likewise foaming at the mouth.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 September, 2014, 04:24:57 pm
Dear Mega-Global Fruit Corporation Of Cupertino, USAnia,

Please do not pollute my iTunes library with that sanctimonious twat Bonio without so much as a by your leave.

kthxbai

Disgruntled of E17
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 24 September, 2014, 12:24:39 pm
Dear Mega-Global Fruit Corporation Of Cupertino, USAnia,

Please do not pollute my iTunes library with that sanctimonious twat Bonio without so much as a by your leave.

kthxbai

Disgruntled of E17

Don't upgrade your fruitpad to iOS8 then. I just opened the Maps app and all the streets have no names.

(Mine's the black Craghoppers softshell, ta)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 24 September, 2014, 01:55:43 pm
To the git who decided to remove the mouse from my desk last night. Thanks you wasted about an hour of my time this morning, include the following conversation with the hell desk.

Me: Can you tell me how to get e replacement mouse?
HD: You have a mail problem?
Me: No, I need a new mouse
HD: a problem with outlook?
Me: No, my mouse has gone missing
HD: please hold
HD: You have an email problem?
Me: No. I have no mouse, pointing device, hardware for switching between windows.
HD: I'm not getting you
I hung up in frustration amid laughter from co-workers
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 24 September, 2014, 10:51:29 pm
Was it funnier in Dutch?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 25 September, 2014, 09:37:30 am
The Dutch word for mouse is muis and is pronounced the same as English. But regardless, it is an English speaking hell desk
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 26 September, 2014, 04:37:35 pm
Software for dyslexics. Can you SAY IN WORDS that you work on a fucking freemium model where you get A and B for free but if you want to try C and D you have to buy one of the pay-for versions... And compare the free, cheapass and expensive versions properly??

No. You have a "download here to try A or B or C or D or E" and it all looks free cos you've hidden the pricing underneath your blingorama website of shite!  NOT helpful!  I don't know if C and D features are helpful unless I pay for them and I won't be able to pay for them so we probably won't be able to recommend it for a student. So you can't find out C and D aren't free until you download and it refuses to work.

Oh and asking for upper, lower case, numbers AND fucking punctuation in the password is extremely annoying as the error for creating account doesn't actually say this, it just flashes "nope" at you and it's only when you hover over the password text entry field it deigns to outline its demands (not made clear it's not just a suggestion). And NO I'm not logging in with fucking farcebook!

And everything is online subscribe by month model these days which makes running a tech loan pool for students REALLY hard fucking work. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 26 September, 2014, 07:25:36 pm
Dear printer imp why have you decided to stop printing colour? But still report that there is plenty ink in the box? Could that be linked the new shade of green that the inside of the printer now has as a décor? You bloody well eat the paper I'm feeding you, not throw a stroppy fit and say there isn't any paper in the tray, when I have accepted defeat and want to print in B&W!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Diver300 on 27 September, 2014, 08:13:58 pm
Software for reflashing 'tronics through the serial port, why on earth won't you work on the Windows 7 machine that you were perfectly happy with last week?  I've even checked that the USB to serial adapter is working.

I had to boot up the XP box that was recently retired, only to find that the window of the reflashing software is now on a non-existent screen, and it doesn't respond to Alt-space etc. I then had to recommission the DVI card to give it a screen off to the right, just so I could drag it back to the main screen. And it runs slower on the XP machine than it ran on Windows 7.

Grrrrr.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 28 September, 2014, 10:39:49 pm
I had to boot up the XP box that was recently retired, only to find that the window of the reflashing software is now on a non-existent screen, and it doesn't respond to Alt-space etc. I then had to recommission the DVI card to give it a screen off to the right, just so I could drag it back to the main screen.

That happened to me once.  On Windows 98.  About 16 years ago.  When monitors were a lot heavier and harder to come by.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 29 September, 2014, 08:39:59 pm
I have a ( probably un-necessary ) dislike of USB to serial adapters.
I much prefer a 'proper' COM port.

This is due to some nasty USB serial port devices I bought some years back, just about the time 'real' COM ports were disappearing from lapdogs.
I had many needs to get a console onto many devices: Cisco WAPs and the like.

The shitty USB-COM drivers would grab a new COM port number every time they were plugged in!
They would see a registry entry from last time they were there as COM5, and so become COM6, and so on.
This required me to change the COM port number on the Terminal Emulator each time.
And then when it got to COM256, it just asploded, requiring registry hackery to make it forget about the old COM ports.

Yuck and double-yuck.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 29 September, 2014, 09:46:15 pm
I have a ( probably un-necessary ) dislike of USB to serial adapters.
I much prefer a 'proper' COM port.

No, that's perfectly rational.  Most of them don't work properly for anything that's bit-bashing the handshake lines, and then there's all the usual fun and games with Windows enumerating USB devices described above.  Linux is marginally better in that you can at least beat them into submission with udev rules.

A Mac presumably asks "What's a serial port?"  ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 29 September, 2014, 09:55:51 pm
Macs play sensible games with device names. /dev/tty.usbabc123xyz or some such. Reproducible and quite usable.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 29 September, 2014, 10:27:09 pm
Reminds me of USB to parallel adapter troubles.  The drivers were probably written by the same muppets.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: aidan.f on 29 September, 2014, 10:28:20 pm
FDTI are good  if  you need serial to USB - loads of support and  you can  flash devices with  the  same  UID so two or more  will be allocated  the  same  port number - although probably not a good idea to try to use them at the  same  time.  Also this ..

Quote
Ignore Hardware Serial Number Registry Editor Utility
This is a free utility that is used for editing the registry to ensure the serial number descriptor of each FTDI device is ignored during driver installation. This feature ensures any FTDI device connected to a USB port is given the same COM port number.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Diver300 on 30 September, 2014, 06:00:01 pm
I would agree with all of the above about USB to serial adaptors.

However.....

as USB can't interrupt the processor, it has to wait for the processor to ask it if it has any data, USB to serial adaptors have to have reasonable sizes of buffers, so if data is arriving really fast, they can work better / load up the processor less as the data arrives in big chunks, not stupid 8 byte chunks that take so much more processing per byte.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 30 September, 2014, 07:35:24 pm
Windows text selection: you suck.

Trying to select a block of text to copy/paste is un-necessarily hard.
Windows is forever trying to second-guess what I want to select.

"Oh, he's selected most of this word! He must want all the word! And the space beyond! And probably the whole sentence, or paragraph!  Oh, woah, hold on... he's going back! Let's de-select everything I auto-selected, and everything he selected too!  Let's start selecting in the reverse direction from some random point in the incorrect selection!"

And so on and so forth.
WTF can't it just butt out with it's useless auto-selection algorithm, and let *me* decide what I want to select.

Also, sometimes I want to just copy/paste the text, not the attributes / formatting.
That can be difficult too, because the paste option may or may not contain options to paste text only.
So I have resort to nonsense like paste into notepad to strip out the crap, then re-copy/paste into the final destination.

Bah.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 30 September, 2014, 08:26:06 pm
Get a "copy as plain text" extension for your web browser.  Though I appreciate that doesn't help when you're not on the web!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 30 September, 2014, 08:57:11 pm
When selecting text, quite often use cursor keys. Although not always that useful when selecting text from a web page.

ctrl+shift+v will paste text without formatting in some applications.
I think ctrl+shift+v in Chrome might even copy text without formatting, but don't quote me on that. As Biggsy said, there's probably a plug-in.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 30 September, 2014, 08:58:20 pm
Notepad++ is your friend here....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 30 September, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
None of the copy-pasting in question was from web browsers.
Just general windows apps.

Oh, I use notepad++ on all my machines.
But it shouldn't be necessary to use any text editor as a go-between to cut-n-paste!
Will experiment with the Ctrl-Shift-V, thanks for the suggestion.

Still doesn't help with the auto-selection nonsense tho.
Not sure if that's app-specific behaviour, or if it's inherited from Windows itself.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 30 September, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
The joys of our VLE when copy/pasting from microsoft is that it embeds all the XML as text but doesn't show you that. Just sends really nastygram emails that are confusing and horrible.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 01 October, 2014, 12:07:54 am
Surely that was "joys of VLE...." and nothing more needed to be said.  Which VLE have you been suckered with?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 October, 2014, 10:51:37 pm
We have Blackboard, with additional Campus Pack goodness. For most things it works tolerably well. Except on the latest IE on our new student desktop which breaks badly. Needless to say all the launch icons start it in IE.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 02 October, 2014, 01:16:22 pm
Damn it I thought I had fixed that bug yesterday.  Today same test, its back.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 October, 2014, 01:43:21 pm
Little Green Viper Software Development LLC, your update has made your app worse.  It's not as if it was complicated in the first place.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 02 October, 2014, 07:12:33 pm
Still doesn't help with the auto-selection nonsense tho.
Not sure if that's app-specific behaviour, or if it's inherited from Windows itself.

Had this in an app today. Ended up typing what I wanted  :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 02 October, 2014, 08:08:29 pm
LOL at IE launch and then incompatible!  That will be the VLE team not talking to the people who do the student images on the public PCs team at a guess.  I know our image-IT-bod well and she is always getting fucked over by idiots not consulting with her before expecting StuffTM.

We have Canvas, no one else seems to use it, it's less bad than WebCT apparently, but that's not saying much cos WebCT had got quite out of date... 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 02 October, 2014, 10:56:48 pm
Must SPANG the IT guys - their update to one of my apps seems to have reverted to starting up in inaccessible directories again.

..d
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 03 October, 2014, 02:42:40 pm
Network: Kindly load!  Can't do my frigging job if I can't get to my students' records.  FFS. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 09 October, 2014, 10:17:13 am
Dear mothership, when sending out an email about certificates to the entire crew, don't assume that people know the difference between encryption and authentication, or even know they have or need any kind of certificate. Don't assume they know what a certificate is. Don't then waffle on in the instructions about S/MIME and MDMs and spool giant instruction list full of IF you have this THEN do that ELSE logical constructions. How about a diagram, and informative video, that kind of thing?

I'd mind less, but people assume that just because I know a soupçon of stuff about the damn machines they can ask me (anything is preferable to visiting the IT folks in the Basement of Perpetual Scowls where the conversation is limited to 'submit a ticket'), and that's only because I hang out with Finestre, the Demon of Such Things, who frequently snarls 'why you don't you turn it off and back on.' You should hear that in Enochian. It can break windows.

Ah, step 34, 'if email is not received, turn your device off and then on.'
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 October, 2014, 10:51:57 pm
Dear Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia

I know that this fondleslab has no SIM installed.  It has never had a SIM installed.  So there is no need to tell me, on what appears to be an hourly basis, that there is no SIM installed.

Now fuck off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 10 October, 2014, 03:18:16 pm
You obviously need to know or it wouldn't tell you.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 10 October, 2014, 03:26:30 pm
Dear Client, in August I asked for confirmation that the program was working stably at your premises before I went on to develop the next feature. I have repeated my request on several occasions since then.  So please don't ask me if the fucking thing is ready yet, just get your finger out of your foetid fundament and tell me what I need to get on with it. Yrs trly etc etc.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 October, 2014, 03:31:47 pm
You obviously need to know or it wouldn't tell you.

Helpful advices from the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia for others who have this issue have included "follow the instructions in this article which apply to Jesus Phones which do have a SIM card installed", "switch off the 'cellular data' wossname1", "tap something in the Babbage-Post message we've just sent you what do you mean you've submitted this from a Windows PC because you're fed up with your fondleslab guffing out ridiculous messages five times in the time it takes you to enter a 140 character description of the problem" and "have you tried switching it off and on again?"

The Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia clearly think that testing upgrades is for Other People.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: jsabine on 10 October, 2014, 04:22:25 pm
The Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia clearly think that testing upgrades is for Other People.

You should feel proud to have been invited to become part of this illustrious grouping.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 11 October, 2014, 03:24:39 am
I decided to reboot my Mac earlier. Decided it had failed to reboot so did it again.

At this point I realised it did it so fast I'd actually missed it happening (automatic reopening of apps adding to the confusion). Face => Palm.

This is caused by rebooting the work laptop taking more than 5 minutes only to discover the replavement battery was DOA. Dell and Microsoft have really lowered my expectations over the years.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 11 October, 2014, 11:03:54 am
I can't remember if I've had a rant about this yet, if I have then I apologize - but I need a little ratette.

Why, just why is it that having replaced my router any yet in spite of the new one putting out the same network name and using the same password would some devices not connect to it?

Most just connected and got on with whatever it is they all do, but not the Chromecast and one of the squeezebox controllers (the battery is knackered in the other one so I don't know about that)? They would both see the network but not connect to it (the squeezebox controller would only see that network, it wouldn't see any of the others).

In both cases the only way to get them to connect was to perform a full factory reset.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 11 October, 2014, 06:20:59 pm
I can't remember if I've had a rant about this yet, if I have then I apologize - but I need a little ratette.

Why, just why is it that having replaced my router any yet in spite of the new one putting out the same network name and using the same password would some devices not connect to it?

The hardware concerned must recognise the new wireless access point as being different from the old one - I think this is due to differing MAC addresses. I've no idea why your squeezebox and Chromecast would need resetting tho but./
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 12 October, 2014, 06:13:16 pm
How in the name of flaming fuck did my email settings on my main account get set to "delete sent messages after a month" ??

Now I've only got messages that decided to send themselves via gmail or icloud. Email is the primary source of "what actually happened". History has been wiped clean. Bugger.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 14 October, 2014, 01:12:44 pm
More a rant at myself rather than a rant at computers.
Dropped an external hard disk drive on which I'd backed-up a users personal pictures before re-installing an OS on her machine.

I managed to drop said hard disk off my desk following a chair-arm/cable interface. D'oh!.
Disk is now totalled. Again, D'oh.

I really do wish manufacturers of external hard disks would ensure they'd survive a three foot drop onto carpet. T'wasn't even a clean fall as I half caught it and dropped it again. Grrr.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 October, 2014, 09:10:46 am
0859 and it's Window's first unrecoverable crash of the day. Seriously, it's 2014, and Windows still fucking sucks likes it's 1999. Oh, fucking hard reboot why don't I, because even ctrl-alt-del doesn't work.

In the meantime, I'm downloading Yosemite. The OS, not the National Park (I wouldn't have anywhere to put that). I don't like the new OSX names, they should have done mustelids after cats.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 17 October, 2014, 09:40:50 am
Transferwise, your method of selecting an international dialing code is bizzare to say the least.

The easy option would be to type in the two digits, but no you don't do that. Instead you have a drop down list of every dialling code in the world. Listed by country? Nooo, you list it be the national flags. Took several minutes to realise and hunt through for the Dutch flag.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 17 October, 2014, 01:07:07 pm
Not quite so bizarre, just irritating, but why do drop-down boxes for date of birth always seem to go to 2014, even for products only available to over 16's?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 17 October, 2014, 01:17:02 pm
Not quite so bizarre, just irritating, but why do drop-down boxes for date of birth always seem to go to 2014, even for products only available to over 16's?

It's marginally more sensible than 1901 or whatever they bottom out at.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 18 October, 2014, 11:41:45 am
Not quite so bizarre, just irritating, but why do drop-down boxes for date of birth always seem to go to 2014, even for products only available to over 16's?

Code: [Select]
Select * from date
Or somesuch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 18 October, 2014, 05:11:44 pm
Windows has decided that Miss Dan the Elder has had her quota of most of the web. Not quite all of it, but most of the bits she actually wants to use. Very frustrating - for her and me (having to fix it all the bloody time). Also updates get stuck at 2 of n. I see an upgrade to windows 7 in the near future, I've been patient with Windows 8 and 8.1 but it's utterly crap to use and about as stable as a watery jelly.

What does the panel think of Chromebooks? I think it is time to get something simple and not windows for homework and slugterra / friv / train your dragon etc. and phase out windows from our lives.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 18 October, 2014, 08:27:53 pm
Not quite so bizarre, just irritating, but why do drop-down boxes for date of birth always seem to go to 2014, even for products only available to over 16's?

It's marginally more sensible than 1901 or whatever they bottom out at.
I dunno, isn't at least one person is known to have lived to 120 ish?  French woman? Sold paint to Van Gogh as youngster? Or is my aged memory conflating two people? Whatever.  Given the increasing number of centenarians and those into living into a twelfth decade (I think Harry Patch was about 110 when he died) then 1901 probably isn't that daft as a lower limit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 October, 2014, 09:37:00 pm
Not quite so bizarre, just irritating, but why do drop-down boxes for date of birth always seem to go to 2014, even for products only available to over 16's?

It's marginally more sensible than 1901 or whatever they bottom out at.
I dunno, isn't at least one person is known to have lived to 120 ish?  French woman? Sold paint to Van Gogh as youngster? Or is my aged memory conflating two people? Whatever.  Given the increasing number of centenarians and those into living into a twelfth decade (I think Harry Patch was about 110 when he died) then 1901 probably isn't that daft as a lower limit.

But everyone knows that the universe was created on the 1st of January 1970.  :)

(And yes, not objecting to a generously low lower limit, just that once you've got one, it makes a lot more sense for a drop-down to start at the current year than the earliest available.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 October, 2014, 12:04:15 am
But everyone knows that the universe was created on the 1st of January 1970.  :)

ITYM the 17th of November 1858 :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Snakehips on 19 October, 2014, 08:50:10 am
What does the panel think of Chromebooks?

Due to a set of extremely adverse personal circumstances I recently found myself in possession of a brand new Asus Chromebook. Fortunately it was taken out of my hands and returned to the shop before I could do what I wanted to do to it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 19 October, 2014, 09:53:53 am
But everyone knows that the universe was created on the 1st of January 1970.  :)

ITYM the 17th of November 1858 :demon:
Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Any fule kno it was the 31st of December 1840.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrij on 19 October, 2014, 02:41:09 pm
But everyone knows that the universe was created on the 1st of January 1970.  :)

ITYM the 17th of November 1858 :demon:
Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Any fule kno it was the 31st of December 1840.

The opening of Hebden Bridge railway station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebden_Bridge_railway_station#History)?  ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 30 October, 2014, 01:20:30 pm
Fruitphone!!! What's the point of telling me that there is 3.67gb of "other" clogging up my phone if you're incapable of telling me what it is, why it's there or how I can get rid of it so I can use that space for something I actually want to use it for.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 30 October, 2014, 06:02:16 pm
Fruitphone!!! What's the point of telling me that there is 3.67gb of "other" clogging up my phone if you're incapable of telling me what it is, why it's there or how I can get rid of it so I can use that space for something I actually want to use it for.  :facepalm:

Amen, brother! My iPad showed that I had 18Gb (of 57 available) free. I asked iTunes to remove some music videos so I could install a full set of Sufferfest vids to use while away. At some point in that process it decided that I had 15Gb of 'other' and I couldn't transfer the vids. Can I find out what that newly-appeared 15Gb is? Can I fuck. I've added up all the app memory usage stats (deep in settings), which agree with the 39Gb used implied by the original information of 18Gb free. So what to do? Looks like a complete system reset!!!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 30 October, 2014, 09:58:17 pm
So the laptop I bought my parents a year or so back is teetering on the edge of infinity popup oblivion. I just took control with Teamviewer. Oh my god, did they ever meet a piece of malware they didn't like? It's a foul menagerie of adware, spyware, and viruses. Is there a link they didn't click? Even Finestre, the demon of such things, would stand a ways back and poke the computer with a stick. They somehow managed to de-activate every security option I set up.

This is Finestre revenge because I was too tight to buy them a Mac. It's going to be a long night. It might be easier to tell them to bin it and buy them an iPad. I'm going to make some popcorn.

Oh Hell to Finestre, he's gone and done it again. Seriously, I put enough anti-whatever in that machine to fight a real (ok pretend, but you know what I mean) horse full of heavily armed and annoyed Trojans (you be annoyed if spent all evening cooped up in a pretend horse with a bunch of flatulent soldiers). Now 'it never goes to Amazon any more.' If you stuck to Amazon rather than mature ladies this wouldn't happen.

This is Finestre really rubbing it in for not buying them a Mac. I'll tackle it when I have appropriate protective gear and factor 100 smutscreen.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 31 October, 2014, 09:38:07 am
I'd suggest disabling scripts/plugin's etc. of any kind in their browser and teaching them to add trusted websites as exceptions. Chrome makes it wonderfully easy to do this.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 October, 2014, 10:13:14 am
A pedant writes:

The heavily-armed and annoyed types inside the giant wooden rabbit horse of myth and legend were Greeks.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 31 October, 2014, 12:08:32 pm
Hence the sayings "Beware of geeks bearing GIFs" and "Beware of Trojans, they're complete smegheads."
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 31 October, 2014, 01:59:09 pm
Fucking university fucking piece of fucking shit website.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 November, 2014, 10:52:11 am
If it's $DAY_OF_WEEK then it must be time to get narked at the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia.

Again.

iTunes 12.0.1.26!  Firstly the version number scrolls off the top of the "Help...About" wossname if you blink, but that's a minor annoyance.  No, picture the following scenario.  I have ripped a CD.  Teh Intarwebs has no idea what it is, which is no great surprise since it is a compilation of largely unknown bands from Captain Cook's Mistake, released in 1995.  Ergo I have to enter the details manually.

I am entering the name of a band.  We shall call them "The Powder Monkeys", because that is/was their name.  Clicky on the "Artist" box under "Get Info" (why the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia cannot call this "Properties" like everyone else is a yart1) and start typing.  Get as far as "The ".  Then you decide that this track is by The Adverts and helpfully complete the box for me.  Because the first artiste in the iTunes Library whose name begins "The" something is The Adverts.  Geddit?

This was clearly the idea of a massive plank who wants badly to be introduced to Mr Shovel before being made to rip compilation CDs comprised of alternating tracks by "The ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha", "The Advertorials" and "The Brian Jonestown Massacre2" until they want to go to the toilet.  A lobotomised rat displays more BRANES than this.

Also, fondleslab!  When I'm trying to position the cursor to edit some text inna Big Box like for e.g. the "Reply" box on a well-known ranting cycling forum, quit moving the fucking text around.  Or give me some fucking arrow keys! 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 03 November, 2014, 11:47:48 pm
Another Mac PSU goes up in smoke. Cabe fracture just on the mac side of the PSU. I noticed the PSU was very hot and then saw the black and fractured cable.

A chance to select the 'Broken/smoking hardware' option on our IT support form..
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 03 November, 2014, 11:51:19 pm
Hope IT replace the mac soon.  Do you use macs in biosciences at your uni?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 November, 2014, 08:46:12 am
Macs!  Bah!

I am in a Mac-infested house ATM and for academic reasons needed to use Miss von Brandenburg's machine.  I eventually had to use Google to find the "On" switch.

Also it has a single-button mouse :(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CommuteTooFar on 04 November, 2014, 12:36:19 pm
I have been hunting a kernel panic all week.  Eventually I manage to fix it then after about an hour of testing with memory stressing the machine panics for another unrelated  reason, which may not be the fault of my driver but it might.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 04 November, 2014, 12:40:25 pm
bah.

If someone tells you a character/string column is unique, check whether their definition of unique is case sensitive/insensitive.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 04 November, 2014, 01:04:34 pm
Macs!  Bah!

I am in a Mac-infested house ATM and for academic reasons needed to use Miss von Brandenburg's machine.  I eventually had to use Google to find the "On" switch.

Also it has a single-button mouse :(

Cool, a Jurassic Mac. Did you travel back in time, or did the past catch up?

On other matters, last night's purge of malware from the familial computer took no fewer than four bloody hours. A browser took about a week to open because it was trying open six additional windows all helpfully offering updates to Java, Flash, etc. Every page was decorated with so many ads for vouchers and scams that it was pretty hard to see any content, every search was diverted somewhere strange that looked like Google, but every result link was scamtastic. I was, to be honest, impressed by the level of ingenuity. A steaming cauldron of self-referential malware. Have malware? Come on, collect the set.

Anyway, 564 items removed. The usual suspects, PC tune-ups, video 'conversion' utilities and downloaders (really father, at your age). For the four hundredth time, stop clicking every download link that a web page tells you to.

Not knowing much about the Windows world, is there a good anti-malware app for people with no internet sense at all? I ran Malwarebytes in free mode to clean things up, but there needs to something that lassoes the enthusiastic gullibility of my father before he can download and install something else. There's evidently no link he's not going to click if he thinks it takes him closer to naked mature ladies. And if the web thinks his PC needs a tune-up? Oh yes please.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 04 November, 2014, 01:26:02 pm
Not knowing much about the Windows world, is there a good anti-malware app for people with no internet sense at all?

I don't know much about the windows world either, but we have 3 win boxes in the house and none has succumbed to any kind of malware. Your parents obviously have some special knack. I'm pretty sure win can be locked down so nothing can be installed. I once had a work 'pooter like that during a period of IT Gestapo management.

My other suggestions would be Linux Mint, ChromeOS or (cough) Hackintosh :).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 November, 2014, 01:56:57 pm
Macs!  Bah!

I am in a Mac-infested house ATM and for academic reasons needed to use Miss von Brandenburg's machine.  I eventually had to use Google to find the "On" switch.

Also it has a single-button mouse :(

Cool, a Jurassic Mac. Did you travel back in time, or did the past catch up?

At first it felt like travelling back to 1989, when I last used a Mac for longer than ten seconds, but this one has Useful Features like a colour display, a hard disk and the ability to multitask without resorting to Horribles like Switcher.

Intensive use of Google suggests that it is a post-August 2007 Intel Alumin(i)um iMac.  I don't know whether it's the later model which ditched FireWire for another USB port.  The mouse may be a relic from Another Time.  Anyway, she says it's Old and Slow and will probably be replaced soon.  In the past she has mentioned replacing it with a Windows box on financial grounds but a short period of exposure to Win 8 seems to have cured that idea. She only upgraded to OS X Lion a couple of weeks ago coz the latest version of Vectorworks won't play under Snow Leopard.

Mr Sunshine's Mac is a big fuck-off deskside Thing with a Dell monitor and a two-button mouse with no markings except a label reading "Made in China".  And you can see the power switch without a dentist's mirror.

And I still don't have any biscuits.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 November, 2014, 04:56:08 pm
I'm just a primitive creature of the heath, so pardon my savage ignorance, but when I wish to view upon my Fondleslab a PDF file saved to Dropbox, the stupid Dropbox app doesn't need to "update preview" if the fucking file hasn't changed since the last time I looked at it, does it?  Especially when it's a "favorite" (sic) and is therefore alleged to be stored locally.

The time spent dispassionately viewing a spinny thing is somewhat wearing.  Especially when the "smallest size" version of the file is still eighteen fucking megabytes big >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 05 November, 2014, 06:57:05 pm
Quote
The time spent dispassionately viewing a spinny thing is somewhat wearing.

This, in spades.
Seem to have had it lots when just browsing the interwebs since Yosemite 'upgrade'.

Tonight partner couldn't get our network printer to work.
Until I enabled printer sharing on my laptop.

Seems Yosemite 'upgrade' disabled our network printer sharing by default buggrit!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 05 November, 2014, 10:44:07 pm
Hope IT replace the mac soon.  Do you use macs in biosciences at your uni?
Yes. Both Mac and PC are supported managed desktops.
PSU on order..
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 06 November, 2014, 11:34:43 am
Macs!  Bah!

I am in a Mac-infested house ATM and for academic reasons needed to use Miss von Brandenburg's machine.  I eventually had to use Google to find the "On" switch.

Also it has a single-button mouse :(

Cool, a Jurassic Mac. Did you travel back in time, or did the past catch up?

On other matters, last night's purge of malware from the familial computer took no fewer than four bloody hours. A browser took about a week to open because it was trying open six additional windows all helpfully offering updates to Java, Flash, etc. Every page was decorated with so many ads for vouchers and scams that it was pretty hard to see any content, every search was diverted somewhere strange that looked like Google, but every result link was scamtastic. I was, to be honest, impressed by the level of ingenuity. A steaming cauldron of self-referential malware. Have malware? Come on, collect the set.

Anyway, 564 items removed. The usual suspects, PC tune-ups, video 'conversion' utilities and downloaders (really father, at your age). For the four hundredth time, stop clicking every download link that a web page tells you to.

Not knowing much about the Windows world, is there a good anti-malware app for people with no internet sense at all? I ran Malwarebytes in free mode to clean things up, but there needs to something that lassoes the enthusiastic gullibility of my father before he can download and install something else. There's evidently no link he's not going to click if he thinks it takes him closer to naked mature ladies. And if the web thinks his PC needs a tune-up? Oh yes please.

This might sound too complicated (and it may be) but the thing to do is use a virtual machine image which is scraped clean every time it is started. it is actually easier than it sounds, I could send you a Virtualbox clone image that would give you 90% of what is needed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 November, 2014, 04:41:52 pm

This might sound too complicated (and it may be) but the thing to do is use a virtual machine image which is scraped clean every time it is started. it is actually easier than it sounds, I could send you a Virtualbox clone image that would give you 90% of what is needed.

I was trying to keep my liabilities to a minimum on a IT support front. They do like their dodgy bookmarks and downloads, I'd hate him to have the restart the not-exactly-Indiana-Jones-like quest for the land of the milf afresh each time.

I'm thinking of getting them a tablet, that seemed to work with the inlaws, and minimises their exposure.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 06 November, 2014, 04:46:20 pm

Cool, a Jurassic Mac. Did you travel back in time, or did the past catch up?

On other matters, last night's purge of malware from the familial computer took no fewer than four bloody hours. A browser took about a week to open because it was trying open six additional windows all helpfully offering updates to Java, Flash, etc. Every page was decorated with so many ads for vouchers and scams that it was pretty hard to see any content, every search was diverted somewhere strange that looked like Google, but every result link was scamtastic. I was, to be honest, impressed by the level of ingenuity. A steaming cauldron of self-referential malware. Have malware? Come on, collect the set.

Anyway, 564 items removed. The usual suspects, PC tune-ups, video 'conversion' utilities and downloaders (really father, at your age). For the four hundredth time, stop clicking every download link that a web page tells you to.

Not knowing much about the Windows world, is there a good anti-malware app for people with no internet sense at all? I ran Malwarebytes in free mode to clean things up, but there needs to something that lassoes the enthusiastic gullibility of my father before he can download and install something else. There's evidently no link he's not going to click if he thinks it takes him closer to naked mature ladies. And if the web thinks his PC needs a tune-up? Oh yes please.

Ding! Had the same thing with my son's laptop two weeks ago. Two weeks ago.

Last night he told me it is back to the same state again. Um, well I gave him the lecture but seems nothing went in. FFS.

A VM that's rewiped every startup would probably be a good idea for him. I wonder if this malware adware shite runs on linux?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 November, 2014, 04:54:20 pm
Oh and ranty. Passwords. They just updated our policy again so now we have to have a non-alphanumeric character and there's a similarity checker to stop password1, 2, 3, 4. Note that you can only discover this policy change through cryptic error messages. You have no idea how much I'd like to breed a strain of giant voracious flesh-eating earwigs and release them into the office of the people who make me do this shit. All those fucking ****s drive me ****ing ape****, you worthless sack of c***s. Fuck, it's what the internet would look like if midwesterners got their way. You don't think Jesus swore when he hit his thumb with an hammer? Heavens to fucking Betsy did he.

There's no one in my office. I'm alone. The only person who would see my passwords is a ghost. Ghosts are not an IT security threat. I don't want to have to guess whether ********************** is my correctly spelled 18 letter password with two numbers, a capital letter, an alphanumeric character, that bears no resemblance to any password I've used in the last ten years. I'll type it in a text editor. Oh whoopee, you've disabled copy and paste.

And don't get me going on personal security questions. Also *******ed so you don't fucking know if you've typed it right, and no I don't know who my third grade teacher was because we don't do third grade, you culturally insensitive dickmonkeys. I've got a personal question for you.

Anyway, you've made me write the damn password in very big letters on a post-it note and stuck it somewhere obvious. Because like I'm sure some hacker wants to submit my fucking expenses.

Hear me, I'm working on those earwigs, you IT fucks.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 06 November, 2014, 07:25:33 pm
/me wonders if ian would like to ghost-write a book for Mr Larrington...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 06 November, 2014, 09:12:16 pm
I'm starting to wonder whether I've got multiple personalities and ian's one of them.
And if it can detect xxx1, xxx2 I do wonder how securely the data is kept on the server. DecentAny even vaguely useful crypto wouldn't let you test that.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 06 November, 2014, 10:41:07 pm
Ironically, Microshaft who make these rules available through their group policy now advise that system administrators don't force users to change their passwords too frequently because it leads to use of weaker passwords.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 06 November, 2014, 11:02:09 pm
Indeed.   

On my home 2k8r2 domain, the passwords are set to 'never expire'.
And have been since the domain was a little NT4 toddler, sucking on it's NetBIOS dummy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 06 November, 2014, 11:22:44 pm
Oh and ranty. Passwords.
Anyway, you've made me write the damn password in very big letters on a post-it note and stuck it somewhere obvious. Because like I'm sure some hacker wants to submit my fucking expenses.


Yes, but someone with your expenses password can bring down the whole mothership, can't they.

Every secure MF knows that.

ILOVEYOU
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 06 November, 2014, 11:44:47 pm
Everyone knows that the one true password is "correct horse battery staple (http://xkcd.com/936/)" anyway. It's more secure than all the others, xkcd sez so.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 07 November, 2014, 06:21:12 am
Ironically, Microshaft who make these rules available through their group policy now advise that system administrators don't force users to change their passwords too frequently because it leads to use of weaker passwords.

Not only that but people cannot remember them all so write them down and leave them even more vulnerable.

My password policy for teh interweb is quite interesting - nobody would approve it.   I've only needed to change my default password once and only then because ebay was hacked.

It's all in the mind MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!   
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 07 November, 2014, 12:39:25 pm
Never got on with network share on linux, samba with gui on ubuntu sometime worked, but I have always had to hack/kick/scream about to get it somewhat working.

Dropbox have often been the easiest option to move files from computer to computer.

Where as with Windows, 99% of the time, was just right click, share and you were up and running.

I'm now at wars with crunchbang to get it to share with crunchbang, arrgghh! Happily remote desktop, ssh but for the life of me can I get to see a folder on the other laptop in the file browser, can I heck!

ok using gadmin-samba got it to play ball, but what an over complicated program to use to get a simple share to run.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 07 November, 2014, 12:50:02 pm
Ironically, Microshaft who make these rules available through their group policy now advise that system administrators don't force users to change their passwords too frequently because it leads to use of weaker passwords.
You mean . . .  they've finally seen sense!  :o
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 07 November, 2014, 01:10:48 pm
Never got on with network share on linux, samba with gui on ubuntu sometime worked, but I have always had to hack/kick/scream about to get it somewhat working.

Dropbox have often been the easiest option to move files from computer to computer.

Where as with Windows, 99% of the time, was just right click, share and you were up and running.

I'm now at wars with crunchbang to get it to share with crunchbang, arrgghh! Happily remote desktop, ssh but for the life of me can I get to see a folder on the other laptop in the file browser, can I heck!

ok using gadmin-samba got it to play ball, but what an over complicated program to use to get a simple share to run.

You don't need samba for sharing linux to linux. Use NFS?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 07 November, 2014, 01:15:17 pm
You don't need samba for sharing linux to linux. Use NFS?
A bit over my head and I have never really got it to work that way. The simple GUI that was on Ubuntu where you point to a folder and say share, is something I like :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 07 November, 2014, 01:22:33 pm
Never got on with network share on linux, samba with gui on ubuntu sometime worked, but I have always had to hack/kick/scream about to get it somewhat working.

Dropbox have often been the easiest option to move files from computer to computer.

Where as with Windows, 99% of the time, was just right click, share and you were up and running.

I'm now at wars with crunchbang to get it to share with crunchbang, arrgghh! Happily remote desktop, ssh but for the life of me can I get to see a folder on the other laptop in the file browser, can I heck!

ok using gadmin-samba got it to play ball, but what an over complicated program to use to get a simple share to run.

You don't need samba for sharing linux to linux. Use NFS?

After years of supporting a multitude of systems, my first response, when asked how to shae files between servers, is "DO NOT use NFS!" It's shit, it's flaky, it falls over and causes all sorts of issues and it's shit.

As daft as it sounds, SAMBA is possibly the most reliable options for sharing files, even in a single OS environment (and the only real choice in a mixed OS one)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 November, 2014, 01:37:01 pm
NFS handles permissions and file locking properly, in that bizarre NFSy way.  It's relatively simple to set up (as long as you don't try to use a GUI) and tends to Just Work once configured.  The security model is frustratingly simplistic, though, and synchronising user lists becomes an issue.

Samba makes assumptions about file ownership which can be suboptimal.  It's the only sane option when Windows is involved.  It's slightly less simple to set up, and tends to Just Work until something (usually authentication or name resolution related) goes wrong at the Windows end.

SFTP doesn't require any setting up, and Just Works over the internet as well as it does on the LAN.  Throughput is a bit iffy, and it's not transparent.  No use with Windows as the server.

SSHFS is a thing of beauty and a joy forever (at least for laptops offsite).  Requires FUSE and a bit of manual intervention, and again, windows doesn't have a server by default.

Dropbox is quick and easy for sharing files over the internet without having to worry too hard about authentication.  You have to pay attention to how synchronised the local files are, and obviously file size becomes an issue.  The Android client is a piece of shit, and I expect the IOS client likewise.

Dropping things in a webserver directory is often a winning strategy for sharing files with randoms.

Sneakernet still has its uses.


Basically, 30 years of mainstream computer networking, and nobody's come up with a way to share files easily.  How did that happen?


(My real bugbear is the way the Gnome GUI tools pretend to mount network shares transparently, which works fine for the file manager and a handful of Gnome apps, but leaves the user scratching their head when some other standard non-Gnome application can't see the 'mount' that the file it was launched by double clicking on exists in.  If you're not doing it in fstab, it's going to confuse you at some point.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 November, 2014, 01:55:52 pm
Dropbox is quick and easy for sharing files over the internet without having to worry too hard about authentication.  You have to pay attention to how synchronised the local files are, and obviously file size becomes an issue.  The Android client is a piece of shit, and I expect the IOS client likewise.

The IOS Dropbox app works but has some "features" which are massively annoying when viewing large PDFs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 November, 2014, 02:00:32 pm
Thinking about it, I expect it's less annoying on IOS, as the whole thing is in denial over having a filesystem.

That's "less annoying" in the sense of "no more annoying than anything else you do on that platform", of course.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 07 November, 2014, 02:23:31 pm
Micro-fucking-soft. If I could find the two people who have the keys then Redmond would be a smoking, glow in the dark crater by now.

At work we use Skype. We use skype for communicating with customers as well. It's not perfect, but in general it does what's needed in an easy to use manner. As long as there's a phone or internet connection I can use skype on whatever device I have with me.

But one customer insists that we use Microsoft "Lync. If you've never had to install it, I can't begin to describe to you what a great big pile of shit it is. The slurry tank on the farm, feed by 200 cows, contains less liquid shit than one single Lync client installation.

Once I had got through the installation and all of the configuration options it then required me to reboot my machine (for a messaging client installation?) and guess what? Oh, because I've just installed Lync, my machine now needs to install 35, yes thirty fucking five, new updates. With a reboot afterwards. Several hours wasted on unproductive crap.

And, and, and, and and, I'm one of the lucky ones because I don't have ms office on my machine. If I did, there are then all sorts of version incompatibilities to deal with.

This is just for the "basic" version, no doubt the "enterprise" version is even more of a bastard.

And (sorry, bad grammar again I know) do you know what? For days at a time the client hasn't been able to log into the server and even when it has the client has never used it to communicate with us.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 07 November, 2014, 02:42:15 pm
scp

http://www.tecmint.com/scp-commands-examples/ (http://www.tecmint.com/scp-commands-examples/)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 07 November, 2014, 02:55:30 pm
I do like a bit of GUI when I move my files about, very easy click, drag, right click etc. I have tried to use the terminal and used scp etc. But figuring out where files are, passwords, urls and along with does this folder need a / at the end or not when I move these files/folders. For me GUI is much easier, especially today when I tried to sort out my backup, which have gone a bit Pete Tong. Too many copies and not in a good filing order either. And I can remember when I used windows on all my 'puters, it was most times just right click, share and I could see that folder on my other machines, about 99% of the times I did, sometimes M$ didn't want to play with the ball. Ubuntu had a GUI tool that made SAMBA easy to share but now and again it just feel over and even if both machines were Ubuntu they wouldn't talk. Along with nvidia drivers, network share have always been a pain to get running for me on my systems. Lucky the nvidia has become easier and I hope that network share will go the same way :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 November, 2014, 03:16:12 pm
Ubuntu should GUIify SCP in the same way it does samba: just select 'SSH' under server type.  You don't usually have to set anything up at the other end.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 07 November, 2014, 05:26:42 pm
Using SAMBA = using CIFS? NFS is noticeably better for streaming media onto a device like a RasbPi.
I'm subscribing to the opinion that if you are doing anything that is even remotely out of the ordinary, the command line wins. It also seems to impress the folk who I live with  :thumbsup:

I experimented with Zentyal on my Linux Server - it does seem fairly robust. Once it is set-up, configuring a Linux server is much easier from someone coming from  a Windows background. Unfortunately I ditched it because it doesn't work with ZFS.



But one customer insists that we use Microsoft "Lync. If you've never had to install it, I can't begin to describe to you what a great big pile of shit it is. The slurry tank on the farm, feed by 200 cows, contains less liquid shit than one single Lync client installation.

It's not the first time I've read this rant. Wailing and gnashing of teeth seems to be a key part of the Lync installation ritual.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 07 November, 2014, 05:33:14 pm
I tried very hard to get on with NFS, but I could never quite get auto-mounts to work correctly. Then of course there's the whole user mapping thing between machines.

FWIW I find SAMBA more than up to streaming 1080p movies from a RaspPi (Samsung 1Tb USB drive) "file server" to a RaspPi "media server" (RaspBMC).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 07 November, 2014, 10:44:07 pm

I experimented with Zentyal on my Linux Server - it does seem fairly robust. Once it is set-up, configuring a Linux server is much easier from someone coming from  a Windows background. Unfortunately I ditched it because it doesn't work with ZFS.


Nothing works with ZFS, not even the OS it's designed to come with, using ZFS to do replication across the wire to an offsite data centre for redundancy purposes worked, in theory but the ability of it to decide it didn't like it's own disks was outstanding.

There are days in my past that make me glad I've moved full time into development and the day my boss proudly told us the major part of our infrastructure was running ZFS was one of them.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 07 November, 2014, 11:27:48 pm
FWIW I find SAMBA more than up to streaming 1080p movies from a RaspPi (Samsung 1Tb USB drive) "file server" to a RaspPi "media server" (RaspBMC).

I've streamed to RaspBMC on openElec from a Synology NAS using NFS and CIFS. SD and 720p were fine, but 1080p using CIFS resulted in less than smooth playback and occasional buffering.

That said, NFS didn't always work and I didn't persevere long enough to find out why. Perhaps there was something wrong with my network at the time.

Nothing works with ZFS, not even the OS it's designed to come with, using ZFS to do replication across the wire to an offsite data centre for redundancy purposes worked, in theory but the ability of it to decide it didn't like it's own disks was outstanding.

Although there are one or two gotchas, it's been easy to set-up and plays quite nicely with Ubuntu server. The native file system is ext4, I'm only using ZFS for data disks. I haven't done any benchmarking yet, but file transfers run up to the limit of my gigabit network, versus a real world 60 mbyte/second using the Syno NAS. That said, using in a production environment (as oppose to a home server) could be another kettle of fish.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 08 November, 2014, 06:17:06 pm
I tried very hard to get on with NFS, but I could never quite get auto-mounts to work correctly. Then of course there's the whole user mapping thing between machines.

the proper answer this is that you don't do user mapping, you use a directory service and network mounted drives for home directories.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 November, 2014, 11:58:52 am
Why did you have to conk out after updating four thousand-odd of eleven and a half thousand files?  And not just conk out, but freeze the entire Babbage-Engine more firmly than an outdoor turd at the South Pole?

Stupid FOREIGN SCIENCE!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 November, 2014, 01:42:19 pm
Hurrah!  SCIENCE ran through to the end the second time around :thumbsup:

Bah!  SCIENCE cannot cope with certain characters in path  >:(

SCIENCE is updating tags on .mp3 files.  Path includes band and album names.  iThings library contains much Sigur Rós and Motörhead.  This could be a long afternoon.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 18 November, 2014, 07:05:59 pm
iTunes store.

You are shit.

I buy music elsewhere. It downloads. Amazon even put it into my iTunes library for me. Just like that. They'd bake me a cake if I let them. Probably.

From you, I get a big poo sandwich. There was a problem downloading these items. Your network connection has reset.

Oh no it hasn't you dairylea-brained bonobo botherers. You have just one job, iTunes store, and that's letting me purchase the damn album.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 November, 2014, 10:16:11 pm
Also you'd think that when you click "buy" and it's taken your money it'd download it automagically, yes?

No, we'll hide it "in iCloud" and make you hunt around for the thing you've just spent seven quid on.

But we'll whack U-fucking-2 on your machine because we're too cool to have a checkbox for you to say "no, I do not wish to give free publicity to a sanctimonious tax-dodging git".

Grrrr!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 November, 2014, 07:03:06 pm
In the interests of balance I shall lay off the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia for at least ten minutes and ask those terminal jizzbadgers at Microsith why it's apparently taking all afternoon to install three updates on my lapdancer?  Especially as one of them is just a Windows Defender thing, which happens almost daily.

Oh, it's just finished and wants a reboot.  Bah!

Edit: 33 minutes from clicking restart clicky thing to desktop reappearing.  Gates onna stick!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 19 November, 2014, 07:59:35 pm
Downloading it song by song worked for some reason.

Strangely, when Apple decide to let Bono lay a turd on my hard drive, there's none of this your network connection has been reset business.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 20 November, 2014, 10:14:07 am
AV software remote deployment - you are sh!te.

UAC needs to be temporarily disabled prior to installation - which means forcing users to reboot and leaving one of Windows prime safety features disabled for an undetermined length of time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 November, 2014, 01:25:05 pm
It took me all day to assemble that list.

And I've deleted it.

Permanently.

Tw@ >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 20 November, 2014, 02:00:54 pm
Downloading it song by song worked for some reason.

Strangely, when Apple decide to let Bono lay a turd on my hard drive, there's none of this your network connection has been reset business.

Karma has been to help you. Uniting the themes that are cycling, yacf's favourite (alright, most quoted) newspaper, and the cnut that is Bonio - bonio falls off bike in new york and has surgery (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/19/bono-surgery-bike-fall-new-york-u2)

As the comment underneath says "and people say there's no good news in the papers"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 20 November, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
Good news? It says “a full recovery is expected”.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 21 November, 2014, 09:49:47 am
Oy! Mr Google! You may be very very clever and know all sorts of things and yes, I am a Nexus fanboi, so thanks very much for your lollipop. I'm sure there are all sorts of useful things it does and of course it is your job to make things look different, that doesn't worry me.

But.

For some unknown reason one of the major features you are trumpeting about in the upgrade are the changes to the Lock Screen. How you can have notifications appear and use them to go directly to the feature. How you can swipe one way and get the phone, another way to get the camera and a third way to unlock. WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK UP THE WORD "LOCK" ON GOOGLE? All I want from a lock screen is to LOCK THE FLAMING THING. Not hard is it? If I wanted more ways to UNLOCK the phone, I wouldn't ask for a LOCK screen I'd ask for a LAUNCH screen. Let me see if there are messages,emails waiting for me if I UNLOCK, great. Maybe even if I've missed a call, but if I lock the screen I really dont want to end up dialing someone with my arse, texting them with my keys or changing the setting beyond recognition, all things that can happen to an unprotected phone. I WANT SAFE PHONES. Trumpet that you useless bunch.

(and before you say you can replace the lock screen, no lock screen I have found is a is simple and as functional as the previous KitKat and before lock screens, any suggestions welcome)

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 November, 2014, 11:46:08 am
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

(Flees the Wrath of Ham)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 21 November, 2014, 01:07:00 pm
I think some manager in the house of G have rushed the release of number 5 and said manager is now busy telling some minions to fix this mess - \o/ for over time!!! There is much moaning about this flavour of lolipop on that there 'tinerweb.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 21 November, 2014, 02:22:02 pm
Being a sickly creature and as such unwilling to haunt the dank corridors of the mothership, I decide to conduct a round of interviews using 'telepresence'. We have this Cisco video system which seems just the job. Technology to the rescue! Da-da-da-DA!

Except it turns out that 'Cisco Jabber Video' isn't 'Cisco Jabber Video for Telepresence' (obviously). The latter I have no credentials for but I can request them. Which takes 72 hours of Indian call centre shuffling. Super.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 25 November, 2014, 11:38:00 am
We are going through a complete computer system replacement because the current one came out of the ark and MS will no longer support it to "improve our employee IT working environment".

While watching an incredibly boring Powerpoint e-learning module, I've just been told that they are migrating us from Lotus Notes to MS Outlook - but haven't worked out how to do some of the important things in outlook so we are keeping notes as well, and will have to do extra steps for common tasks, like booking meetings into people's calendars (book participants in Outlook, room in Notes).

AtoS* have been rolling a new system out for over a year - could they have tried finishing the changes before migrating everyone instead of offering a half finished product?


*need I say more
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rr on 25 November, 2014, 12:45:56 pm
We are going through a complete computer system replacement because the current one came out of the ark and MS will no longer support it to "improve our employee IT working environment".

While watching an incredibly boring Powerpoint e-learning module, I've just been told that they are migrating us from Lotus Notes to MS Outlook - but haven't worked out how to do some of the important things in outlook so we are keeping notes as well, and will have to do extra steps for common tasks, like booking meetings into people's calendars (book participants in Outlook, room in Notes).

AtoS* have been rolling a new system out for over a year - could they have tried finishing the changes before migrating everyone instead of offering a half finished product?


*need I say more

Ditto steria
Break the network every week and spend three days fixing it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 25 November, 2014, 12:59:36 pm
but haven't worked out how to do some of the important things in outlook so we are keeping notes as well, and will have to do extra steps for common tasks, like booking meetings into people's calendars (book participants in Outlook, room in Notes).

Are they truly thick?

This is really easy to to in Outlook.

Oh, sorry, I missed the bit where you said it was ATOS. Yeah, truly thick.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 November, 2014, 01:06:42 pm
It's a tendency of businesses not to invest in training and instead produce some useless Powerpoint. How much time do people spend using these tools? Lots. How much time and money would they save if people knew how to use these tools effectively? It's a math that few businesses do effectively.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 November, 2014, 01:30:38 pm
I still think barakta's reception desk system deserves some kind of award:

Student appointments are booked in Outlook calendars, which seems to work.  When the student arrives for the appointment, reception staff change the text in the appointment to add a prefix, indicating this.

Which means barakta and her colleagues all have to manually poll the outlook calendar for changes whenever they're expecting a student, rather than get on with some useful work.  Obviously students arriving early will wait in reception until such a time as the relevant member of staff thinks to poll the calendar, even if it would otherwise be convenient to see the student early.

This saves the overworked reception staff time, apparently.  Not sure what it's supposed to achieve for the overworked disability and learning support staff.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 25 November, 2014, 03:32:15 pm
That's nuts.

If you alter an Outlook 'meeting', normally Outlook sends an updated meeting request to all participants. This arrives as a new email, pinging up on your desktop. That's standard Outlook behaviour.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 25 November, 2014, 04:04:57 pm
Except these aren't meetings, they're items we create in our own calendar.

And we can't just invite 'reception' cos they end up switching between their personal logins and some central counselling legacy login cos no one can set up mailboxes and calendars properly on Exchange cos they're fucking morons. They also wouldn't want about 20 invites x9 for us a week...

I have worked a hack to the manual polling requirement (which doesn't give any notification). Stick a mailto hyperlink with custom To: Subject: Body: content for each colleague which is pasted by us in the body of calendar items when we create the item.

Reception can now either add the prefix and/or Click the Nice Linky which should generate an email from their outlook and click sendy.. This will at least create an alert at our end and we can config our ends to be more annoying if we wish to (aka I can do this for about 9 members of staff)...

Boss is going to take it to admin boss tomorrow - I've created test examples in my calendar for her to demonstrate with.  See if admin boss comes back with something better than "Am I bovvered" although that's a rant for a whole other fucking rant thread.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 28 November, 2014, 02:50:47 pm
So, the mothership's CRM is Salesforce. It's evil. But hey, as galaxy conquering overlords we had to get some spoil from the annexation of Garglebottolfloxx VI, and that just happened to be Salesforce. They'd be laughing had we not blasted their puny planet into an attractive cloud of radioactive dust. Oh, many souls cried out that day. Most of them aboard the mothership on learning they had a new CRM.

Anyway, Salesforce, or SFDC as the Americans insist on redundantly saying. We have to use it. It doesn't matter if kittens cry at the thought. That's not even my rant. I've come to terms with having to use not one but two (O the humanity!) versions of the damn thing. It's the accretion of security. Not sufficient were passwords. Not even the insistence on passwords like A1x&||78*eF£@$ (see rants passim) is secure enough. Oh no, then we needed machine tokens. Download them. Jump through more hoops. Secure. Oh no. Now it can only be accessed via the VPN with a token and a cryptically unrememberable password that changes everything 15 seconds.

Or it would, except using the VPN pipes our internet traffic through the mothership proxy. Can we guess which website it blocks?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 28 November, 2014, 06:21:27 pm
When does G figure out that your contacts list in G have nothing to do with the people you have/follow in G+. I do not want 2000+ birthdays and other stuff that I'm not interested in listed in my calendar or have their addresses in my contacts.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 28 November, 2014, 11:08:19 pm
iTunes. Yes you, you festering pile of bonobo shit. I would like to transfer my shiny songs onto iDevices. You have just the one job and that's it. So why do I have to try three times to get you to even do that rather than sit there for ages saying 'determining tracks to sync' and then another age or three 'waiting to copy items' and then to not bother. Until on the third attempt you do transfer them. Finally, I reach over to unplug and no, you decide that while you are at it you're going to transfer 993 random pieces of cover art. Huh? It was all up-to-date and it's albums that are a million years old. I don't think they redesigned the covers since I last sync'ed the device.

Oh, and thanks for just putting some playlists on my iPhone. I appreciate your judgement is better than mine but when I'm on the train and I pull out my phone and seek my lovingly curated collection of tunes, I might expect said playlist to be there and not still languishing on my computer.

Just the one job, Apple. That's all I ask.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 November, 2014, 11:44:17 am
I learned at my mother's knee that if you want to manage tracks, playlists and so forth on an iThing it is much less of a headache in the long term to do it manually.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 November, 2014, 08:03:06 pm
ICBA to rant about this, but I'll have a bit of a whine about it.

A recent upgrade to lubuntu on my laptop rather destabilised things - with daily kernel panics and random lock-ups.

Now the damn thing won't start at all. I got into a bash prompt and was able to run the backup scripts so nowt will be lost (Linux rsync/rsnapshot backups FTW), but it's still a PITA.  ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 November, 2014, 11:43:14 pm
Hmm... Could be bad news. It won't take a new install of Linux.

Time for a new SSD I think...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 30 November, 2014, 12:06:47 am
Yo-Semite

Give my printer back, you SFB.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 30 November, 2014, 11:28:15 am
I learned at my mother's knee that if you want to manage tracks, playlists and so forth on an iThing it is much less of a headache in the long term to do it manually.

Well, it's fine when it works. Which it mostly does. One placelist has decided not to transfer for no reason that iTunes would like to disclose. Not even a cryptic error 'err -4895467845 error' message nor even the über-'unknown error'. It just doesn't. It seems the people behind iTunes have decided that rather fix the errors they'll just remove the messages. What problem? I don't see no steenkin' problem. Just to double-weird me, the playlist is on my iPad fine. It claims it's on the iPhone too, but it's not actually there when I press playlist.

Also, despite transferring 933 items of cover art, it didn't transfer the art for the new albums I put on the damn iPad. But it did for the iPhone.

It's like the Mighty Huh?

If you first sync doesn't work try again. Then tryn some more.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Diver300 on 09 December, 2014, 10:27:04 pm
Easily.co.uk, just what in heaven's name is wrong with an email address that is of the form:-

[some lower case letters]@[domain that you are hosting]

that you have previously used as the address to send me emails?

I have even tried using a domain that ends .co.uk rather than the slightly more obscure but still been around for 10 years .me.uk and still got told it was invalid.

It does not make using their website easy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 December, 2014, 10:14:59 am
Windows!

plz to not be disappearing my USB hard drive like that

also why need to "install necessary files on my system" for something that was working fine when I hibernated the Babbage-Engine last night?

kthxbai
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 10 December, 2014, 12:43:24 pm
I don't know what email system the council are using, but it appears not to have a "Reply" function. Whenever I get a response from them, they have carefully cut and paste the "From:" address, and written in a new subject. It's across the board, not any particular department, and it does seem to be one of the basic functions any modern email system should possess?

Why is this a rant? Because the "From:" address is not necessarily the same as the "Reply-To:" address, so when I phone up it's no good telling me you've sent me an email if you've sent it somewhere else entirely!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 10 December, 2014, 12:52:46 pm
Related rant: People who use their email archive as an address book (fine) by finding and replying to a random message and stripping out the contents (not so fine), thereby acquiring random 'References'/'In-Reply-To' headers and buggering up the threading.  This is particularly rude on mailing lists.

Same goes for the copy&paste behaviour described above, of course, but I reckon the absence of threading is slightly less irritating than actively incorrect threading.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Basil on 10 December, 2014, 09:23:36 pm
Not enjoying the experience of Android 5.0.1 that my nexus has just updated to. 
Bollix.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 10 December, 2014, 10:21:51 pm
Junior2's Alienware lapdog just let out some magic smoke accompanied by the usual acrid smell,
and got a terrible pain in all the LEDs down it's right side.
But it continues to compute correctly.

The smell is that of Electrolytic Capacitors that have let the smoke out, but it turned out not.
Strip-down and I find that an I/O PCB which has several USB ports and the LAN port, and a tiny connector for the 'Tron' decorative LED strips has failed.
Specifically, the 'Tron' LED connector and the cable coming from it has burned and melted.
The melted remains of the connector on the PCB still contains the connector part of the destroyed cable.
Faulty connector or cable, I'd guess.

I can source a new PCB, with a week's lead time, but the cable is more difficult.

I've just de-soldered the melted SMD connector from the board and cleaned the board up.
I'm hoping the board is otherwise undamaged, and can be pressed back into service in the meantime.
I can't leave the whole board out, as the main CPU fan connector is also on it.

Re-assembly tomorrow night and hopefully we can be back up, but without decorative LEDs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 10 December, 2014, 11:52:45 pm
NullPointerExceptionThrowingNullPointerExceptionException()
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 December, 2014, 01:30:13 am
Idiot backup program!

You're supposed only to be backing up the files wot have changed since the last full backup.  This could conceivably be as many as 120 files, assuming iThings updating the play count is considered a change.  And I don't think it is.

Why, then, in the name of Beelzebub's bollocks are you apparently backing up the whole directory tree?  Tw@.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 11 December, 2014, 10:21:25 pm
So the I/O board on Junior's lapdog is re-installed, having de-soldered the melted SMD connector for the silly LEDs.
The entire machine is re-assembled.

All is well.

I have to say, the machine is very well engineered.
There's a massive amount of 3-d engineering gone on to fit all that into the case.
Everything is serviceable and modular and removable very easily.
Well impressed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: fuaran on 11 December, 2014, 10:51:39 pm
Recent Windows 7 update broke autoplay for my camera. It should popup with the "Import pictures" prompt when I plugged it in, but nothing happened. I've done a system restore to before the updates were installed, which seems to have fixed it for now.
But for some reason the system restore broke Firefox, so I had to reinstall that.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 11 December, 2014, 11:36:13 pm
Another update b0rked Virtualbox in an amusingly comprehensive manner - nothing gets anywhere near starting - and the only way to fix is to reverse the update.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Oaky on 12 December, 2014, 08:15:06 am
Another update b0rked Virtualbox in an amusingly comprehensive manner - nothing gets anywhere near starting - and the only way to fix is to reverse the update.

Is that 4.3.20?  I wa going to update mine today (currently 4.3.12) but might hold off in that case.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 12 December, 2014, 10:00:46 am
Another update b0rked Virtualbox in an amusingly comprehensive manner - nothing gets anywhere near starting - and the only way to fix is to reverse the update.

Is that 4.3.20?  I wa going to update mine today (currently 4.3.12) but might hold off in that case.

4.3.2 is sound, the problem is with KB3004394 (which has other issues, too https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_update/windows-update-kb3004394-issues/ace25277-7f65-4486-bc44-c1b106907a18) which was in the last batch of Win7 upgrades (I'm running VB on a W7 host). Solution is straightforward -uninstall update.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Oaky on 12 December, 2014, 10:28:36 am
Thanks Ham!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 12 December, 2014, 02:32:09 pm
But one customer insists that we use Microsoft "Lync. If you've never had to install it, I can't begin to describe to you what a great big pile of shit it is. The slurry tank on the farm, feed by 200 cows, contains less liquid shit than one single Lync client installation.

It's not the first time I've read this rant. Wailing and gnashing of teeth seems to be a key part of the Lync installation ritual.

It's an even bigger pile of shit than I could possibly imagine. I've seen farm slurry tanks that are smaller piles of shit - and at least they're useful.

Yesterday evening there was an issue at a customers. A number of us were working on it, and I had extracted some information that might (or might not) have been pertinent. The person opposite me was communicating with the customer using Lync (the whole reason why we installed it), so I thought that I would us it to send him the information.

This information comprised 11 lines of ascii characters (all 7 bit), 672 bytes in total. So I pasted it into link, pressed return and got the message "message too large" or similar.

672 bytes too large?

What possible use is this piece of overcomplicated crap? As far as I can see the only benefit it offers over skype is ldap integration, apart from that it's all downhill using ships anchors for assitance.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 12 December, 2014, 04:39:44 pm
Less a rant more an unfocused grumble.

Google.   Yes, OK Eclipse _is_ a bit of a peat-fired Swiss Army chainsaw, but if you are going to push your shiny new Android Studio as its replacement then at least allow those of us wise enough to wait for version 2 to do just that rather than forcing everyone to use version 1.  I mean any fule kno that the first cut of a product is always buggy rubbish which should be left to enthusiastic idiots^h^h^h^h^h early adopters. Chiz, chiz.

And I bet it won't work with the SVN plug-ins I've got installed.  *sigh*

P.S.  Lync?  S'OK.  Its screen sharing is miles simpler (ergo better) than Skype's.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 December, 2014, 05:23:59 pm
Oi! Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia!  No!

Did I tell you to change the location of the iTunes media folder from Z:\iTunes to somewhere on D:?

Why, no.  No, I did not.

So why did you decide to change it anyway?  It's not as if Z: has magickally Ceased To Be as you appear perfectly capable of finding the Stuffs already on it.  You utter twat.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 21 December, 2014, 10:54:43 am
Now I know why people have ranted about Windows 8.

I've just got a new machine with 8.1 on it. I had already decided that if I couldn't stand it then it wouldn't be much effort to put 7 onto it.

Microsoft have broken a perfectly good and well evolved UI so that everybody can treat it as a tablet? Classicshell fixed most of that in a few minutes (thank goodness) but the thing that it can't fix is how patronising this version of windows is.

Microsoft, I'm not going to set up a microsoft account just so that I can log into this machine!

For the moment it's staying, but I've put Windows 7 into a vm on it - just in case.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: redshift on 21 December, 2014, 12:01:04 pm
Now I know why people have ranted about Windows 8.

I've just got a new machine with 8.1 on it. I had already decided that if I couldn't stand it then it wouldn't be much effort to put 7 onto it.

Microsoft have broken a perfectly good and well evolved UI so that everybody can treat it as a tablet? Classicshell fixed most of that in a few minutes (thank goodness) but the thing that it can't fix is how patronising this version of windows is.

Microsoft, I'm not going to set up a microsoft account just so that I can log into this machine!

For the moment it's staying, but I've put Windows 7 into a vm on it - just in case.
So glad it's not just me.

I constructed a baby Intel Nuc box a few weeks ago to finally replace my 8-year-old XP/Linux dual-boot machine.  I used the Nuc kit that takes a real HDD not just an SSD.  I was going to use Win8.1 Hyper-V to host the Linux VM which would be a dupe of the dev box at work, but having installed it and set it up, I rapidly became so disenchanted with it that I simply carved the HDD in half and put Linux on the second partition.  Sadly, I know I'll need to boot into Win at some point to write some stuff in Visual Studio, but until then forget it.

How is it possible to break something so badly?  I remember the legal 'Look-and-feel' battles through the 90's, and all that stuff about how developers should always respect the menu and naming conventions (especially for Apple) so that the interface would always work in an expected fashion for the user.  Clearly they weren't even preaching to the choir...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 December, 2014, 01:21:40 pm
With Classic Shell installed Win8 doesn't bother me half as much as as the Fisher-Price inspired upgrade to the controls within Office.  And do Microsith offer the option of changing back to the old-skool menus?

Why, no!  No, they do not.

Some Swiss outfit offer an add-on which they claim to do the biz, which is free for private users, but although I've downloaded it I haven't installed it yet.

I somehow managed to start the Camera "app" yesterday and couldn't figure out how to exit it again.  Task Manager to the rescue.  Can the "apps" be uninstalled?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 21 December, 2014, 05:22:52 pm
Oi! Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia!  No!

Did I tell you to change the location of the iTunes media folder from Z:\iTunes to somewhere on D:?

Why, no.  No, I did not.

So why did you decide to change it anyway?  It's not as if Z: has magickally Ceased To Be as you appear perfectly capable of finding the Stuffs already on it.  You utter twat.

As I discovered, recently, you should cut out the middleman and just use UNCs for the library location, it not only means you don't need to mount the drive, but it performs better (as anything that bypasses windows drive mounts always will)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 21 December, 2014, 10:49:04 pm
Not really a Computing rant, more a User rant.

We sell high-end petrophysical software.
I am one of the final-level support people who get the actual petrophysics issues, rather than the software issues.

I have a Dude who has loaded a bunch of data into our program.
It does some simple regressions and gives some gradients.
He says Excel gives different regression results.

It's all down to rounding.
Once the data is loaded in out program, it's *displayed* to X decimal places in the grid.
But the data remains stored in full-precision.
The regression is done using the full-precision values.
If he tries a regression in Excel by manually typing the rounded values visible in the grid, it *will* be different ( but not by much )

This seems a reasonable explanation, and is in fact stated in the documentation.
But no, I have to waste several hours demonstrating the issue in Excel using the displayed values and the true values.


Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 December, 2014, 11:06:07 pm
unless you have apps that refuse to work with UNC but insist on using drive letters.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 December, 2014, 11:10:16 pm
Hmm.. Excel for numeric work? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167947308001618 for a start.
I know the customer is always right, but informing them that you don't sell 12' bargepoles and even if you did you wouldn't touch Excel for numerical modelling with one..
R does nice regression modelling - and has a verifiable level of accuracy as it is open sauce.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: redshift on 22 December, 2014, 01:31:31 pm
Hmm.. Excel for numeric work? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167947308001618 for a start.
I know the customer is always right, but informing them that you don't sell 12' bargepoles and even if you did you wouldn't touch Excel for numerical modelling with one..
R does nice regression modelling - and has a verifiable level of accuracy as it is open sauce.

Excel for numerical work may be considered a step up from excel as a "database", which is what I've been fighting for the last six months.  I have some 15,000+ assets to wrangle in differently ordered and differently structured spreadsheets, with different naming conventions, written by people who couldn't spell.  Oh, and up to 46 assets in any one cell.

I'm starting to think that excel for anything other than adding 2+2 (for limited degrees of precision) is a bad thing.  It might have been quicker to hire somebody to go round and re-tag all the assets from scratch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 22 December, 2014, 04:33:18 pm
I feel your pain redshift, I have seen Excel used as a database with 500,000+ records in banking 7 years ago *shudder* which was over Excel 2003's max level so had to be split across sheets... with some VLOOKUP stuff in there my machine was permanently grinding...

And yes the spelling/formatting differently is maddening too. I haven't been allowed consistent admin support in recording our equipment loan pool items as they go out so every admin does it SLIGHTLY differently enough that I can't sort the data. I spend as long going in and sanitising the data as I would doing the fucking data entry myself except I can't actually do data entry cos it seems to be a style of typing which sets off my RSI pronto... And despite 3 requests for them NOT to, they are STILL using dots in dates which in excel doesn't work properly without fudging...

Admin staff who can't even use Excel to a basic standard "cos they're only support staff" who aren't seen as worthy of CPD and training by their useless twunt of a manager.  If I was their manager training in basic office packages every year would be MANDATORY and they'd have to do refreshers and use the skills properly cos we waste hours with crap data entry and stuff.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 22 December, 2014, 09:54:21 pm
Excel can't do dates properly, anyway.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 23 December, 2014, 08:15:52 am
Now I know why people have ranted about Windows 8.

I've just got a new machine with 8.1 on it. I had already decided that if I couldn't stand it then it wouldn't be much effort to put 7 onto it.

Microsoft have broken a perfectly good and well evolved UI so that everybody can treat it as a tablet? Classicshell fixed most of that in a few minutes (thank goodness) but the thing that it can't fix is how patronising this version of windows is.

Microsoft, I'm not going to set up a microsoft account just so that I can log into this machine!

For the moment it's staying, but I've put Windows 7 into a vm on it - just in case.

You don't need to have a Microsoft account, whatever they tell you.  Mine has no startup password, and there is no MS account on it.  I too got duped into thinknig you had to, but you don't, but they make it as un-obvious as possible to find this.  On the (very) rare occasions I use Skype, its a separate "desktop" version, not the bloody "app" and I share Mr L's desire to get rid of all the useless apps and use "proper program(me)s"  When a stupid app pops up, Mr L, just do it the old fashioned way, alt-F4 gets rid of it!  Alt-F4 is also my default method of closing down Win 8.1, rather than farting about with their silly shut down structure.  Alt-f4, enter, is all thats needed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 23 December, 2014, 09:12:05 am
Shutting down Windows 8? Oh, how we laughed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 23 December, 2014, 10:53:35 am
With Windows 8.1 I find the keyboard is my best friend. To start an app press the Windows key, type the first few letters of the application name, press enter. Application starts. It also works exactly the same way in Windows 7.

I tend to remove all the silly apps from the metro start window and then add my most used short cuts to real applications.

The simplest method of shutting down is pressing the power button. Or Alt+F4 as Wombat says. I must admit 8.1 is slightly better with the power button on the Metro Start window.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 23 December, 2014, 11:45:14 am
Regarding using Excel as a database...

At work, I sometimes have to write VBS scripts which run from the Task Scheduler to synchronise stuffs from one set of databases to another.
In VBS, I do this using something called ADO.
This abstracts all the various database types into a single 'Connection' object, which you deal with.
There are various drivers ( 'Providers' ) which ADO can call depending on what kind of data source you are connecting to.
So there are providers for SQL server, Oracle, Access .MDB files etc etc.
You simply specify which provider to use in the 'Connection String' you pass to the Connection object.

Interestingly, I see that the Access .mdb provider (Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0) can actually open much more than .mbd databases.
It can open .xls and other files too ( though I've never tried it myself ).

This would give you the ability to interact with the .xls using a SQL-like syntax.
You could, for example, write scripts to pull out various things from the spreadsheet, and put them into proper tables in a real DB.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 23 December, 2014, 11:49:21 am
That will be interesting when (if) I end up rewriting our student management system. I can access and process the data with R from Excel (that has now got the compsci purists not knowing which way to spin in their graves).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 23 December, 2014, 02:03:30 pm
Microsoft, I'm not going to set up a microsoft account just so that I can log into this machine!

You don't need to have a Microsoft account, whatever they tell you.  Mine has no startup password, and there is no MS account on it.  I too got duped into thinknig you had to, but you don't, but they make it as un-obvious as possible to find this.  On the (very) rare occasions I use Skype, its a separate "desktop" version, not the bloody "app" and I share Mr L's desire to get rid of all the useless apps and use "proper program(me)s"  When a stupid app pops up, Mr L, just do it the old fashioned way, alt-F4 gets rid of it!  Alt-F4 is also my default method of closing down Win 8.1, rather than farting about with their silly shut down structure.  Alt-f4, enter, is all thats needed.
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I managed to set it up without one, but to add to the rant.....

Microchuffingsoftinthebrain. When on my windows 8.1 machine I go to add a new user account, and I tell you "no thanks, I do not wish to connect this account with a microsoft online account", please don't fucking patronise me and tell me why I should. I have been dealing with this shit for long enough to know better. Why don't you just have a check box that asks "do you have a clue?", obviously no help should be provided on that.

And whilst on the subject.... this machine is so vastly overpowered in every respect that it's certainly smarter than me, it's capable of disk throughput that would have had the NSA and GCHQ wetting their drawers about not too many years ago, but when I had got past the patronising attitude and tablet interface and windows started to add the user account, why did it take getting on for 15 minutes? 15 minutes of being shown "useful" messages and pretty screens? 15 seconds is more than it required.

And another rant at microsoft windows.... I can think of about 8 major versions of windows ove r the last 20+ years, in that time the hardware has grown such that an original PC compatible probably wouldn't have sufficient power to run a modern USB port, but still windows is welded to the paradigm of drive letters. But worse than that. Much worse, it still wants all user accounts to live with all their files in drive C.

After such ranting, I must add an anti-rant. Something I've found that Windows 8 does do - you can right click on an iso image and mount it as a drive. *rant* about bloody time!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 23 December, 2014, 02:44:02 pm

After such ranting, I must add an anti-rant. Something I've found that Windows 8 does do - you can right click on an iso image and mount it as a drive. *rant* about bloody time!

You've been able to do that for some time. Since XP at least, though it may have required thrid party helpers. And there was a sort of mount option for splicing drives into paths unix-lite style in DOS from way back. But it was always behind the curve.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 31 December, 2014, 10:31:05 am
This is more a rant at myself, for being so damned stupid, than an IT rant.

Why the fuck was I so stupid as to set up TLD's tablet, the first time, with my G+ details?

It didn't really affect me until I did a full wipe/restore on my tablet, which is now downloading and installing all sorts of crap suitable for a 10 yr old.

Thing is, I'm not a 10 yr old!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 31 December, 2014, 11:03:32 am
Are you sure? :P
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Valiant on 03 January, 2015, 12:35:12 pm
You think that's bad, your 10yo has suddenly been introduced to the darker side of the tinterwebs and Rule 34.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 03 January, 2015, 07:40:47 pm
Ah, iTunes has updated its terms and conditions, do I agree? Well, let's give them a quick read. Page 1 of 37...

Whereas I'm not allowed to talk about the afterlife, I think I'm safe revealing that lawyers only take the down escalator when life finally manages to shrug them off and let's just say their eternity of torments runs to a lot more than 37 pages. And they televise it. It's the probably the most popular programme in Hell after their own version of I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 03 January, 2015, 07:46:31 pm

After such ranting, I must add an anti-rant. Something I've found that Windows 8 does do - you can right click on an iso image and mount it as a drive. *rant* about bloody time!

You've been able to do that for some time. Since XP at least, though it may have required thrid party helpers. And there was a sort of mount option for splicing drives into paths unix-lite style in DOS from way back. But it was always behind the curve.

Native ISO mounting has not been available in any previous version of Windows.
It has required a 3-rd party utility like Virtual Clone Drive to do it.

I don't have win8 here, but if it's anything like their support for zip files in explorer, you will still want the 3-rd party tools!

Mount Points for volumes has been around since XP, IIRC, and I've used on occasion, but I've not seen it used In Real Life.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 03 January, 2015, 11:38:35 pm
The command I was thinking of was ASSIGN which was superceded by SUBST
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 January, 2015, 02:35:03 pm
No, Microsith, I do not want to turn on "Sticky Keys".  If I want "Sticky Keys" I'll pour tea over my keyboard.

<Brick Top>
Now fuck off!
</Brick Top>
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 04 January, 2015, 03:58:31 pm
Did you find out by accidentally leaning on the spacebar, like I did?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 January, 2015, 06:56:17 pm
Tapping "Shift" to turn off the screen saver ???

And another thing: how come teh Stupiz old XP laptop doesn't recognise the USB disk drive?  It knows it's there but it dun't show up in Explorer.

Bah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 04 January, 2015, 07:01:24 pm
Cos it's got no drive letter?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 January, 2015, 11:14:28 pm
Previous external HDDs have showed up as "E:", what with that being the next available letter.  Alas that one is too small to hold all the Stuffs I need to copy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 05 January, 2015, 02:22:12 pm
But sometimes Windows removes drive letters for no apparent reason - at least it does on my Babbage Engines - then the drive will be invisible in Explorer.    Or it's corrupted or an incompatible partition type or size.    Try Disk Management in any case.

GPT no good with XP 32-bit, for egg sample.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 January, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
But sometimes Windows removes drive letters for no apparent reason - at least it does on my Babbage Engines - then the drive will be invisible in Explorer.    Or it's corrupted or an incompatible partition type or size.    Try Disk Management in any case.

This appears to be happening with the old external drive; it drops off the radar for no resdily apparent reason save old age midway theough copying Stuffs to it.  Which is annoying.

GPT no good with XP 32-bit, for egg sample.

Ah.  All becomes clear(er).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 January, 2015, 11:23:46 pm
And another thing, Google!  If I use the forum's searchy SCIENCE to see whether there has been a thread about an ITV crimething whose second series started tonight, I neither expect nor want answers containing the likes of "X is a broad church".  Did I put a space in my search term?  Why, no!  No, I did not.

Honestly, sometimes you make $BIG_BROTHER_CONTESTANT look like Brian Cox and his big helichopter.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 06 January, 2015, 12:12:17 am
Printers.  And cloud computing.  Nothing good can come of it, I say...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 06 January, 2015, 08:46:36 am
Printers.  And cloud computing.  Nothing good can come of it, I say...

Yeh, bloody tromboning isn’t it. I spend half my life trying to design networks so you don't get tromboning then they go and build it in as a feature ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 06 January, 2015, 11:28:24 am
Shutting down Windows 8? Oh, how we laughed.

Still having trouble, Jaded? (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=75454.msg1552828#msg1552828)

I don't use win 8 myself, but my son frequently leaves his machine on and since I pay for the leccy I find the desktop icon that looks like an on/off button quite handy ;).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 06 January, 2015, 11:31:40 am
Not really a rant but I was very used to the ALT+left button to move a window and ALT+middle button to resize. Now it's ALT+right button to resize whereas ALT+middle button brings up the window options menu. I therefore end up minimising the current window (ie the one I'm working in) instead of resizing. I'll learn eventually...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: jellied on 07 January, 2015, 10:55:39 pm
Office 2013 - Christ.
I've barely got to grips with the chuffing ribbon fellow and now this. why is everything in CAPS. the painful licence code, where has everything gone? don't tell me it's easier than it was before -the tame teenagers in the household are struggling to do anything with it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 January, 2015, 09:55:52 am
Changed the password on my wifi AP, then couldn't log in to it.  >:(

It took ages to work out that the text entered on the Set Password page is (silently) truncated to eight characters, but when entering the same into the Log In page it's used in its entirety! Grrr.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 January, 2015, 10:48:54 am
It took ages to work out that the text entered on the Set Password page is (silently) truncated to eight characters

8 characters? It's not secure. Bin it  :P
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 January, 2015, 12:35:53 pm
It took ages to work out that the text entered on the Set Password page is (silently) truncated to eight characters

8 characters? It's not secure. Bin it  :P

that's eight chars for the web interface log in - after you've got on to the network via WPA2 or ssh with RSA-only log in allowed from outside.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: aidan.f on 08 January, 2015, 04:08:47 pm
WAN management is disabled... 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 January, 2015, 04:35:08 pm
Needless to say, my prior comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 10 January, 2015, 09:52:39 pm
Why does an ISP routing outage always co-incide with me making network changes?

I make some modest network changes, and then I have everyone complaining that the Internet is broken.
<clickety-click> Hmm, I still have sync with the exchange, but no PPP session with AAISP.
<IRC on 'phone's 3G connction>... 'Yes, it's broken.'

Family don't believe it's not my fault, because I've been frobbing with the network!

All back up now.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 10 January, 2015, 10:37:08 pm
Top tip:  Prefix all network jibble with a loud "Hmm, looks like our internet connection is broken...", so your fiddling appears to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

(No, I don't believe that'll actually work.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 January, 2015, 07:12:48 pm
When I wanted to juggle partition sizes on the old XP box I was allowed to do so without let or hindrance.  Now I want to do so on the Win 8 box, but it has other ideas.  I think it has been possessed by IS, or perhaps I just don't know what I'm doing.

Bah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 January, 2015, 02:49:16 pm
Why does deleting Stuffs off the NAS take so bleeding long ???  Ruthless pruning is underway and, at this rate, will still be underway at Lammas Eve.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 14 January, 2015, 07:00:20 pm
There's no save toner economode in HP's 64-bit LaserJet 4100 printer drivers, unlike the 32-bit versions, which I can't install on W7 64-bit.  Stupid bastards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 15 January, 2015, 09:10:47 am
Sony you idiots. I want to stream Amazon Instant video to my Sony TV but you need an Sony Entertainment account with your TV registered to it to do that. My TV was registered to their old Sony Essentials Service. Now I have to migrate the account and it just goes round in a loop saying an error has occurred asking me to login again when I try and transfer the account.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 January, 2015, 09:21:55 am
Shouldn't that be easier to now, since Sony accounts are in public domain :)

I really do hope that we never get the urge to get a telly again - Hi I'm Bob, (everyone "Hello Bob") its been about seven years now without a telly. A few years ago I had a looksee in PCcurryWorld at the telly boxes and I honestly didn't know what I was looking at/for. And now you tell me that you need an account to be able to use it, that is just yet another layer of extra choice/option I really don't need/want to be able to watch a rerun.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 15 January, 2015, 09:26:42 am
You can watch broadcast TV without an account or DVDs or use your computer and a HDMI lead to feed streamed video to the TV. What you need a Sony account for is to use the inbuilt Amazon app its a Smart TV) to stream Amazon Instant Video direct to the TV without using a computer. The Sony account I presume provides a way of validating that the TV is one of the nominated devices on your Amazon account.

I hate watching TV shows on films on a tiny laptop screen and wont even bother on a tablet or mobile phone. I like my big (well not so big these days but it will do for me) 40 inch screen for that. Also three people round a laptop screen just isn't fun.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 16 January, 2015, 08:52:30 am
Can you try a factory reset of the TV and create a new account?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 16 January, 2015, 09:30:40 am
Can you try a factory reset of the TV and create a new account?

First thing I tried and its still knows its registered ....

Sony tech support have escalated it to the second level of support. So we wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 16 January, 2015, 05:31:30 pm
*sigh*
Two days pissed up against a wall trying and failing to fix a cross-thread locking problem.  I _loathe_ multi-threaded applications (but it's the way of the future! chimes the chorus) and if WPF is involved well... why don't you just take me out and shoot me?  It would be significantly less painful.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 16 January, 2015, 06:03:27 pm
*sigh*
Two days pissed up against a wall trying and failing to fix a cross-thread locking problem.  I _loathe_ multi-threaded applications (but it's the way of the future! chimes the chorus)
I *love* multi-threaded stuff and have done since [mumble mumble - you don't look That Old!]

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and if WPF is involved well... why don't you just take me out and shoot me?  It would be significantly less painful.
I feel your pain. Can't you get your client/employer to use a proper computer?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 16 January, 2015, 09:25:34 pm
WDS Multicast Transmission Fail.

IGMP transmissions saturating a firewalls LAN ports. Very slow transmissions to the WDS clients.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 January, 2015, 12:02:11 am
Stupid media server doesn't recognise the existence of albums occupying more than one "disc".  It's just tried to play "Blonde On Blonde" in, like, totally the wrong order. #firstworldproblems
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: matthew on 19 January, 2015, 01:43:33 pm
Some b****r has put me on a list as requiring Microsoft Lync installed on my work laptop for communication with the client. The implications of this are that I will be on this project whilst it is on site not just on the design phase.

I shall now find out if Lync is as bad as implied by others.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 19 January, 2015, 06:50:51 pm
I shall now find out if Lync is as bad as implied by others.
Unless they've (M$ natch) truly ballsed it up in the last 12 months then it's not too bad to _use_.   I prefer it to Skype and other IM products I've used for reasons gone into previously.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 20 January, 2015, 05:44:36 am
WDS Multicast Transmission Fail.

IGMP transmissions saturating a firewalls LAN ports. Very slow transmissions to the WDS clients.

Inefficient multicast is a bit of a known issue with some wireless solutions.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 20 January, 2015, 11:58:36 am
WDS Multicast Transmission Fail.

IGMP transmissions saturating a firewalls LAN ports. Very slow transmissions to the WDS clients.

Inefficient multicast is a bit of a known issue with some wireless solutions.
It's not a wi-fi issue. More of a CARP one. I figure a couple of ports on the switch are configured to be promiscuous in order for the master/slave firewalls to share a virtual IP address. Will need to try implementing some rules on the switch which block multicast traffic from the ports used with the firewalls before trying this again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 20 January, 2015, 01:40:30 pm
Switches don't have the concept of promiscuous mode as they will accept packets for any destination MAC (unless you are talking about private VLANs in which case yes there is a promiscuous mode).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: frankly frankie on 20 January, 2015, 11:45:38 pm
Two days pissed up against a wall trying and failing to fix a cross-thread locking problem.

I know.  I was putting a pannier carrier on an old alu frame and had the same trouble, totally stripped out, what a bummer.

Stupid media server ... just tried to play "Blonde On Blonde" in, like, totally the wrong order.

Well that sounds like a plus to me, being as how the most iconic song comes last in the track order.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 January, 2015, 02:48:27 am
On my 2-CD version "Visions Of Johanna" is disc 1, track 3.

Most likely you'll go your way...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 26 January, 2015, 10:28:55 pm
The network at work is a notwork. Cue lots of panicking students about deadlines, and staff getting annoyed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 26 January, 2015, 10:56:58 pm
The network at work is a notwork. Cue lots of panicking students about deadlines, and staff getting annoyed.

At least there's electricity.  This afternoon barakta was bemoaning what appeared to be the loss of a phase in their building, with severe implications for not just computing, but the viabiity of the TEA supply, provision of lunch, and the sense of impending doom that somewhere nearby a transformer was slowly overheating...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 26 January, 2015, 11:59:24 pm
I found the tea. some fucker took our kettle to the OtherKitchen we're not supposed to use which had electricity which turned out to be full of our division's mouldy crockery...  But TEA!  And I think we have successfully invaded  :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 January, 2015, 06:48:20 pm
Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia!  Sort out the fucking scrolling in iTunes!  No, it's not just me.  It does it on my Win 8 box, my XP box, Mr Sunshine's Mac and the dead badger on which I recently installed Umbongo.

Click.

(Scrolls a bit)

Click

(Scrolls a bit more)

Click

(Scrolls at 100 mph halfway down the library, which is Big)

Idiots.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 29 January, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
So. I can't debug a custom bootstrapper app from Visual Studio 2010 in Administrator mode, so I have to turn on UAC and reboot.

* does that *

Ah. But now I can't recompile said custom bootstrapper app in Visual Studio 2010 without being in Administrator mode, and I can't just run it elevated because it then gets a different environment to the current logged in user.

BAH!!! I HATE you Microsoft.  >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 29 January, 2015, 03:34:49 pm
New software "user testing"...

Well not a single person, even the usually-positive people have anything nice to say about it...  Apparently it crashes, hogs system resources, doesn't work in Chrome, doesn't work intuitively and is taking everyone who suckered themselves into the testing (they weren't supposed to have so many of us) about 3x longer than promised...

And it doesn't look keyboard navigable at this point...  Monday's meeting between me and project manager and my boss will be fun.  Hoping to escape conference webPHONEcall of doom cos it's all just PAIN at this point.

Oh and our fucking network is behaving erratically. Documents going AWOL between computer and printer. Scanner deciding it will only scan part of a document (thus inconveniencing an already complex to deal with student); the student files and our database both denied the existence of a student I had in my office at the time and then 10 mins later spotted them as if they'd always been there (making me look silly); and my local printer ignored 4x print requests till I turned it and the application off and on again...  Fucking gremlins, fuck off. 

I am seriously thinking of a "piss off at 4pm" day cos I've had no fucking lunch and my hands hurt and I want to go to sleep!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 29 January, 2015, 03:59:51 pm
I am seriously thinking of a "piss off at 4pm" day cos I've had no fucking lunch and my hands hurt and I want to go to sleep!

Also, the pavements haven't actually frozen yet...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: jsabine on 29 January, 2015, 05:56:18 pm
New software "user testing"... [...]

And it doesn't look keyboard navigable at this point... 

That's basic not-fit-for-purpose stuff, surely?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 29 January, 2015, 09:51:27 pm
Give them X minutes and then exit. If they can't give you anything even close to workable then why should you be wasting your time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 30 January, 2015, 12:52:52 am
Jsabine - apparently keyboard navigability is impossible.  I may have suggested to evil project manager that if they couldn't build in keyboard nav then they should sack their programmers.  Problem is that that shows I have some IT knowledge and they'll assume that means I can then tell their programmers how to do it which I can't.

David - I think I will be refusing to do more than 45 mins which is my known tolerance; insisting on clear chairing and if I die hideously as I expect I'm walking home 3 hours early and not returning the hours to work on principle.  I am however hoping I can extricate myself from the call entirely cos I won't be able to "think" properly and don't want to be held to anything I say while using every braincell I have to parse babblenoise - all male speakers of course which is harder for me. 

This has all reminded me why I don't use the phone for anyone except very close family and on my terms. And indeed why I don't use TextRelay with voice carry over mode (speak for self, listen to person and have captioning) cos it broke my brain. I can read and write, or listen and hear but crossing the modalities is very odd as my brain will throw the audio away and read and then I end up with a sort of "you said words?" packet loss situ.  Possibly something to do with how my brain does deafie-language processing but makes me look stupid, weird or lying to people who don't know... 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: jsabine on 30 January, 2015, 02:20:19 am
apparently keyboard navigability is impossible. 

*Please* tell me that at least one of your colleagues who has been roped into participation is unable to use a mouse.

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Problem is that that shows I have some IT knowledge and they'll assume that means I can then tell their programmers how to do it which I can't.

I've always maintained that I've got just enough IT knowledge to convince a project manager that I understand what they're talking about. It does, I think, promote some degree of honesty on their part. (The other way of looking at it is that I've got enough IT knowledge to spot when a PM is lying to me. Yeah, yeah, his lips are moving ...)

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I can read and write, or listen and hear but crossing the modalities is very odd as my brain will throw the audio away and read and then I end up with a sort of "you said words?" packet loss situ.  Possibly something to do with how my brain does deafie-language processing but makes me look stupid, weird or lying to people who don't know...

It's that sort of statement that jolts me into realising I have even less understanding of other people's situations than I normally kid myself I've got. It is *so* easy to think that everyone's English, so they'll all be fine with language; we know we need to offer adjustments, so let's book a palantypist because hey, everyone'll get on just fine reading it. Memo to self: assumption=bad. Delusions of understanding=bad. Listening and accepting=better.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 30 January, 2015, 02:58:01 pm
Well I did flag up the 6 out of 11 in my immediate teams who have some form of ergo equipment (chairs, footrests, mice, keyboards) for neck/back or upper limb issues. One has a known dodgy back; one has arthritis in her neck, another has severe arthritis in her hands but can still mouse... I asked boss3 to check with occy health how many in our division had "alternative access" devices and he went a funny shade of green as he made notes.  This is why the consultants were sposed to be bought in... 

The issue is as much expecting me to educate them on how to meet my access needs (not my job) as it is shite project management. Neither project manager is techie and as you say the IT bods can flummox them with bullshit.  They think the law is on their side; I know it isn't, but I know ONLY a disabled person directly affected (me for example) would be able to enforce it and that's hugely risky as well as exhausting.

I will sue them if I have to.  But I have to "play the game" up to that point.  Increasingly tempted to draft a freedom of information request on what specialist IT consultancy they have had on this and other projects in the uni...  That'll freak them the fuck out.

As for the deaf literacy/hearing stuff, it's not widely known so don't beat yourself up over it. It's not even well researched in non signers.  Being willing to listen and recognise "there's stuff you don't know" is the important thing.  I'm still working things out for myself cos "I seem to function well" much of the time but only by working hard to do so and I have massive gaps in weird places...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2015, 05:42:30 pm
Twelve hundred files spread across seventy folders wanted deleting.

USB HDD+XP: Fifteen seconds.
NAS+Win 8: Twenty minutes

 :o
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 04 February, 2015, 05:56:26 pm
Twelve hundred files spread across seventy folders wanted deleting.

USB HDD+XP: Fifteen seconds.
NAS+Win 8: Twenty minutes

That sort of thing is all about the filesystem.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 04 February, 2015, 05:59:42 pm
Twelve hundred files spread across seventy folders wanted deleting.

USB HDD+XP: Fifteen seconds.
NAS+Win 8: Twenty minutes

That sort of thing is all about the filesystem.

And the efficiency of the  protocol used to access the NAS. If this was CIFS then it is indeed a bit rubbish. ISCSI would have been faster or FCoE.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2015, 06:03:17 pm
Both NTFS and nothing very much else going on with either box ???  I know nothing of these "protocols" of which pcolbeck speaks; I just took it out of the box and plugged it in.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 04 February, 2015, 06:11:18 pm
Basically a case of whether the computer is telling the NAS "Delete this file...OK.  Delete this file...OK.  Delete this file....OK.  Delete this directory...OK" or "Delete this directory and everything under it............OK."

Same sort of thing can go on at the filesystem level.


And different filesystems are good at different things.  I used to use XFS for recordings on the MythTV[1] machine[2], because XFS can delete a single multi-gigabyte file in the blink of an eye, while ext3 (as it was then) had to go away and have a long hard think about it, locking up the user interface while it did so.


[1] A kind of electronic monk.
[2] A twisty maze of old, slow hard drives, all different.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 February, 2015, 09:25:58 am
KDE Plasma 5.2 - ooh shiny - ooh trendy new flat look.
Now you muppets where's the keyboard layout changer gone, I am not in the USA and for that matter nor are most of your developers so there must be one somewhere .....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 February, 2015, 10:03:21 am
Basically a case of whether the computer is telling the NAS "Delete this file...OK.  Delete this file...OK.  Delete this file....OK.  Delete this directory...OK" or "Delete this directory and everything under it............OK."

I think Win 8 does the former so it can display its spiffy progress graph.  Very fond of its spiffy progress graphs is Microsith, but I'd prefer one that disappeared too quickly to read, thank you
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 February, 2015, 02:13:40 pm
When downsquishing .mp3 files to put on your iThing, ensure that the downsquishing SCIENCE is set actually to downsquish them.  Otherwise it will be a lot quicker just to copy the damn' things.

That's two hours of anbarism I'll never get back :(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 05 February, 2015, 04:29:27 pm
Ebay sellers, don't fib about how little your SSD has been used.  I'll know exactly how much it's been used once I receive it.  #smartdata :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 February, 2015, 05:31:03 pm
Openvswitch - you are driving me mad. I can make a real switch or a Cisco vswitch dance but I cant get a virtual port on Openvswitch connected to the physical LAN to save my life !!!!!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 February, 2015, 10:19:54 am
Google!  I typed "Schott" for a reason.  If I'd meant to type "Scott" I wouldn't have put the "h".  In it.  Anbaric crook-pated varlet.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 February, 2015, 01:34:38 pm
Microsith!  The clue is in the name.

Solitaire.

It's something you play on your own.

So why in the name of the Seven Unholy Lemmings of New South Intercourse do you keep blathering on about your inability to log into my "Xbox Live" account?  I do not have an "Xbox Live" account.  Nor do I have an Xbox.  I may have an ex-Box before long if you keep this shit up >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 08 February, 2015, 01:40:09 pm
Windows 8 wants you to create an account before it will give you solitaire.

Google Chrome appstore (runs in regular chrome as well) has a variety of solitaire implementations.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 February, 2015, 03:30:56 pm
Hello Freeola!

Thank you for changing my Babbage-Post settings over the weekend and not fucking telling me about it or anything.  No thanks to you shower of dunces I have finally persuaded Thunderbird to receive Babbage-Post to that address but no amount of faffage has yet persuaded it to send even a one-word message to my Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! address.  It's not as if that address gets used for anything very important, except for buying shit from the Mega-Global Sounds Like A Big River Corporation of Seattle, USAnia, and the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia store, and divers other things involving Money.

Sort it out u muppets!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 10 February, 2015, 09:56:20 am
Hey, hey, happy Windows, I'm real glad you've installed an update. It's sure must be swell. Thanks for telling that you are so happy with your new update that you are going to spontaneously restart. Just for me. In 2 mins and 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... seconds. The countdown is very James Bond.  It's doubly nice that the postpone button is greyed out and there's no red wire to cut. Even better you hid this message under a tiny little flashing systray icon that I just happened to notice.

And there you go, despite whatever productive task my computer might have been engaged in, you've just turned the entire fucking thing off and gone into a long update cycle. The Amish build barns quicker.

Yeah, yeah, there's probably a setting, but I'm sure the mothership has creatively erected a large policy tent over it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2015, 10:06:56 am
I aten't had the spontaneous reboot thing on Win 8 but suspect the mothership may be using Something Else.  XP did it all the time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 10 February, 2015, 10:52:23 am
I have on Win8. The worst bit is that unlike XP, you can't just keep putting it off. It actually decides after a while to shut your computer down whether you want to or not >:(

I suppose I should go looking for scheduled updates (or turn the computer off in the evening rather than leaving it to hibernate)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 10 February, 2015, 02:16:45 pm
Hey, hey, happy Windows, I'm real glad you've installed an update. It's sure must be swell. Thanks for telling that you are so happy with your new update that you are going to spontaneously restart. Just for me. In 2 mins and 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... seconds. The countdown is very James Bond.  It's doubly nice that the postpone button is greyed out and there's no red wire to cut. Even better you hid this message under a tiny little flashing systray icon that I just happened to notice.

And there you go, despite whatever productive task my computer might have been engaged in, you've just turned the entire fucking thing off and gone into a long update cycle. The Amish build barns quicker.

Yeah, yeah, there's probably a setting, but I'm sure the mothership has creatively erected a large policy tent over it.

Yep that's a thing you can turn on on the network, we used to have to do it otherwise the developers would never install patches and then take down the network when their laptop got exploited.

I think you can set it so it only forces you after you've ignored a number of suggestions.

D.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 10 February, 2015, 02:30:30 pm
Hey, hey, happy Windows, I'm real glad you've installed an update. It's sure must be swell. Thanks for telling that you are so happy with your new update that you are going to spontaneously restart. Just for me. In 2 mins and 9, 8, 7, 6, 5... seconds. The countdown is very James Bond.  It's doubly nice that the postpone button is greyed out and there's no red wire to cut. Even better you hid this message under a tiny little flashing systray icon that I just happened to notice.

And there you go, despite whatever productive task my computer might have been engaged in, you've just turned the entire fucking thing off and gone into a long update cycle. The Amish build barns quicker.

Yeah, yeah, there's probably a setting, but I'm sure the mothership has creatively erected a large policy tent over it.

Yep that's a thing you can turn on on the network, we used to have to do it otherwise the developers would never install patches and then take down the network when their laptop got exploited.

I think you can set it so it only forces you after you've ignored a number of suggestions.

D.

Sadly all greyed out. That'll be the Group Policy, as dictated by the little Stalin on the IT deck (oh momma, we've outsourced to IBM). They also make my machine lock-screen every fifteen minutes. Drives me crazy but Cannot Be Changed even though I work in an empty house where the only security threats are cats and ghosts.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 10 February, 2015, 03:10:37 pm
It's not the cats or ghosts.



It's the bears.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2015, 03:22:39 pm
<---- He heard that...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 February, 2015, 02:08:04 pm
Mega-Global Sounds Like A Big River Corporation of Seattle, USAnia!  Your webby SCIENCE shews nine pages of albums by $ARTIST.  So when I click on an album on page three of the listing, view the details and then click "back" I should like to return to page three.

Not page fucking one >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 11 February, 2015, 02:25:13 pm
Our stupid, outdated Internet Browser (IE7!) is so crap that I've just frozen the computer three times trying to download PDF files of some Chemical MSDS forms from the supplier. Please to be having software that was actually written in this decade and makes at least an effort to meet standards.

Oh, and as a side show, if I log on to our company website using this company PC it tells me my browser is outdated and needs to be upgraded :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 12 February, 2015, 07:51:46 am
I feel your pain.  We couldn't access all manner of Govt related stuff we needed for our jobs, so they "upgraded" to IE8 a few months ago.  Is there some reason why we could go to the current version? (whatever that is, I don't use it at home so I've lost track)  We still have quite a few XP PCs, but many, including mine because it had a convenient breakdown  ;D, runs Win7.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 12 February, 2015, 03:12:55 pm
Outlook, I appreciate your calendar runs my life like Stalin's more ruthless cousin, but remind me of the value of popping up a meeting reminder for a meeting that is '37 minutes' overdue. It was a thirty minute meeting.

Why, in the name of Finestre, does it do that? Was it too busy in advance of the meeting? You're the bloody calendar, you're not supposed to forget. That's evidently my job. Hi, I'm Outlook, you should have been in a meeting but it's finished now, soz. Bring back the animated cat. Office went downhill the day that disappeared. I trusted the cat.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Clare on 12 February, 2015, 03:54:41 pm
Microshaft Office Professional (Ha!) Plus (plus what exactly) 2013, you are more shit than a shit thing that has fallen into a slurry pit, climbed back out and trodden in a steaming pile of poo.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 13 February, 2015, 01:33:10 pm
It is rather (have a copy on a new work laptop). FUGLY Piece of Shit and I'm not sure where anything is.

ALL I wanted was remote-STTR (realtime captioning communications support) without HASSLE!  I didn't get it even on a tested setup.

MiFi Dongle thing? Why do you need the password again? You've not asked for it since I set it up but suddenly want the password as if you never had it. Fucker.

Citrix - why did you decide to load the fileshare once and then NOT load it when I got virtualisation confusion and saved the file with said password in it that I wanted to *FuckKnows* so I couldn't get the MiFi dongle password?  Seriously unamused. 4 browswers. 2 reboots... Two different working wifi networks.

Then back at the office, Citrix works as if nothing was ever wrong over wifi 2?  Could the fucking bastard IT bastards have taken Citrix shit down intermittently this morning?  Could the browsers have actually given error messages with meaningful info rather than *loady loady* *vanish!* and I suspect at least one browser is eating the plugin...

As for fucking sound, the less said the better. Digital fm system radio aid receiver was cutting out at a mere 15m from transmitter which isn't fucking good enough.  Also the sound setup I had working PERFECTLY last week on my desk Would Not Fucking Work so I had to dredge out backup analogue fm radio aid that I hurled into bag on way out (late) and use TWO sound systems when ONE should have been able to work...

Technology is clearly laughing at today's day and date...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Martin109 on 13 February, 2015, 02:16:22 pm
 Micro$haft Orifice!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DaveJ on 15 February, 2015, 10:35:01 pm
VirtualBox 4.3.22 breaks my computer.  After installing it neither the network card or the USB2 controller work properly.  It does it repeatably too, as I found out after restoring the machine to a working state and trying it again (isn't that one definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and expecting different results?).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 15 February, 2015, 10:55:15 pm
VirtualBox 4.3.22 breaks my computer.  After installing it neither the network card or the USB2 controller work properly.  It does it repeatably too, as I found out after restoring the machine to a working state and trying it again (isn't that one definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and expecting different results?).

I was wondering whether to upgrade, what's your config? Windows or Linux host?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DaveJ on 15 February, 2015, 11:13:43 pm
Windows host, 8.1 64bit.  I don't use VirtualBox much, but it is useful when someone says "my XP/Vista/Windows7 machine does x", to see whether I can reproduce it. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 15 February, 2015, 11:43:06 pm
BBC have borked iPlayer so that Squeezebox disnae play 6Music  :demon: Jist gonnae no  :hand:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 February, 2015, 11:46:56 am
I do not know whether the speed with which text typed in the latest version of Chrome on the fondleslab would improve by having fewer tabs open, but if it doesn't then the "update" is a big steaming bowl of wombat spooge.

Thanks Google :-\
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 20 February, 2015, 09:42:42 pm
BBC have borked iPlayer so that Squeezebox disnae play 6Music  :demon: Jist gonnae no  :hand:

Yay, it's back  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 February, 2015, 09:07:41 am
Superfish. If you have bought a lenovo laptop recently then you should check of this and watch a brand reputation go south faster than a swallow in autumn.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 21 February, 2015, 10:07:49 am
Pity they were so silly. I've always rated Lenovo products.
And still, the American Telco's seem to get away with CarrierIQ
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 21 February, 2015, 10:12:35 am
I am in the market for a new laptop, and Lenevo are on the list.

Maybe surprisingly, after this, they still are. Why? Well I wouldn't be (and never have, with any laptop) running the stock build. The windows partition would be blown away and either replaced with a vanilla windows build or the machine just built with Linux.

I am not surprised about this, nor should anyone else who has worked with computers for a while, all manufacturers install tonnes of shit, some just more malicious than others.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 21 February, 2015, 10:16:29 am
+1

I have a lovely eight core i7 Lenovo Thinkpad laptop next to me right now. I blew away the Windows 8.1 it came with and installed Linux instead. Windows now runs from a clean install inside VMware Workstation on it for when I need to access to Windows only programs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 21 February, 2015, 08:38:02 pm
Blowing away windows and buying or obtaining another clean copy is all well and good for us nerds, but 80% of the population don't want to have to know this to "just use a computer".

Lenovo's reputation deserves to go to shit for this and the other manufacturers will hopefully learn from their competitor's experience and be less evil and sloppy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 21 February, 2015, 09:33:30 pm
What's the margin on a cheap mass market laptop or desktop? I'm sure it's pretty they're buzzing their costs (and if you are selling the price of a bag of components, then someone else sells the same bag of components cheaper and you're fucked because you aren't Apple). Of course they're going to ladle in any kind of shit that makes them an extra fraction of a per cent. That's the business and that's why you can get a decent laptop for £300. That and Chinese workers.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 February, 2015, 09:37:11 pm
Lenovo offers tool to remove hidden adware 'Superfish' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31565368).  Nice, but better not to install crapware in the first place, eh?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 22 February, 2015, 03:12:37 pm
Son's laptop is now suitably suprfish free - pretty easy job to sort but should not have been necessary.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 February, 2015, 05:20:37 pm
Microsith!  How hard can it be for Word to treat a file called "junk.txt" as plain fucking text? >:( >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 22 February, 2015, 05:50:30 pm
I'm thinking it might lead to some real bargains on Lenovo kit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 February, 2015, 01:15:57 am
Unpleasant noises of a rotating kind emanating from the entrails of the laptop.  I hope it's just the fan choking on a mixture of fag ash and biscuit crumbs, otherwise things could get annoying/tedious/stabby.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 23 February, 2015, 02:32:22 pm
Argh! Group Policy. Deployment. & Software houses that choose to install their software their own way.
Yes it's all well and good migrating configuration data from ye olde version to ye neue hippier version when an upgrade is initiated from within the tool. But that's not really very practical in a corporate desktop environment. Why not have a proper MSI installer that handles the migration of configuration data? I mean, you author pretty spendy software ergo I'm sure producing an MSI that plays nice with Windows isn't beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 23 February, 2015, 08:32:58 pm
Argh! Group Policy. Deployment. & Software houses that choose to install their software their own way.
Yes it's all well and good migrating configuration data from ye olde version to ye neue hippier version when an upgrade is initiated from within the tool. But that's not really very practical in a corporate desktop environment. Why not have a proper MSI installer that handles the migration of configuration data? I mean, you author pretty spendy software ergo I'm sure producing an MSI that plays nice with Windows isn't beyond comprehension.

That, my son, is why software packagers get paid silly money on projects where everything MUST be deployed as a package.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 24 February, 2015, 11:45:42 am
Son's laptop is now suitably suprfish free - pretty easy job to sort but should not have been necessary.

Superfish was implementing a Komdia library that introduced this SSL vulnerability. Looks like the Komodia library is used in other products, including Lavasoft's anti-virus.

Allegedly worse still is Privdog adware that ships with Software from Comodo.

The words iceberg and tip spring to mind.

http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=17991
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 February, 2015, 01:38:50 pm
Microsith!  How hard can it be for Word to treat a file called "junk.txt" as plain fucking text? >:( >:(

I gave up. Opened it in Excel.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 24 February, 2015, 09:04:42 pm
Virginmedia! You can't be called Virgin because your system is totally fucked!  I have a job interview tomorrow and I need to access a lot of files I have emailed home, for revision.  Can I, can I buggery?  You total utter bastards.  Pop3 email is down, webmail is down, but strangely it works on Android, but not on either PC...  I need to read a file that I can't access, on my big monitor, 'cos its a stupidly formatted PDF, but Mrs W used the big PC today, and now it is totally ****ed.  Resorted to laptop, and no access to Virgin, can't sign in, can't access any email.  If I don't get the job tomorrow, are you going to support me till I retire?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 24 February, 2015, 09:07:40 pm
If you can install Airdroid or ES filer explore on Android you can move files from the Android to you laptop/PC.

EDIT: and good luck tomorrow
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 25 February, 2015, 08:17:56 am
In the end I managed to access them on my phone, and forward the emails to my gmail account, which I then opened on the laptop.  All time wasted, which didn't help. 

Need to get back to revising now, on the bits I'm a bit weak on.  Its going to be an awkward interview, I know all three interviewers, and they know I never wear the suit I'll be wearing today, but the other interviewees will be wearing one, so I must.  The PC screwing up was not needed, yesterday of all days, then Virgin compounding it by failing really put the tin hat on it.  I've got monday and tuesday off, so I think a software rebuild of the PC on the new SSD is in order.  Not found time to do it due to decorating, but now the issue is forced.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 February, 2015, 02:36:41 am
Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia!  Thank you for updating iTunes, though I did wonder why you felt the need to reboot the Win 8 machine when the XP one kept chuntering away quite happily.  However, that is not why I am cross, no, I am cross because your update put an iTunes shortcut on the desktop.  Was there an iTunes ishortcut on the desktop before the update?

Why, no!  No, there was not!

Did your update ask me if I wanted an iTunes shortcut on the desktop?

Why, no!  No, it did not!

Now I like to keep my desktop free from clutter, the better to see the wallpaper and remind myself of holibobs.  To cover bits of it up without even asking is the height of bad manners and therefore I should be much obliged if you were to cease, desist and fuck the fuck off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 26 February, 2015, 11:47:46 pm
Fruity fondleslabs. Are they deliberately setup to be bloody useless for normal folk? I have a movie file I want to place on the flat thingy of a colleague. No cable, her machine so I don't have any passwords except the pin to get in. It won't save files locally. It will play off the web. Clicking 'download' doesn't.

So it is a piece of shiny that I can't get photos/videos/files onto without some extra hardware or software. What is the point?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 27 February, 2015, 01:37:40 am
Installing win 7 on an acer d255, and wireless does not work.....argh
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 27 February, 2015, 08:10:19 am
Fruity fondleslabs. Are they deliberately setup to be bloody useless for normal folk? I have a movie file I want to place on the flat thingy of a colleague. No cable, her machine so I don't have any passwords except the pin to get in. It won't save files locally. It will play off the web. Clicking 'download' doesn't.

So it is a piece of shiny that I can't get photos/videos/files onto without some extra hardware or software. What is the point?

Let me introduce you to iTunes, the software lovechild of Finestre, the Demon of Such Things, and Proteus IV.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 27 February, 2015, 10:13:14 am
Installing win 7 on an acer d255, and wireless does not work.....argh

Rule of thumb, unless using the recovery CDs, ALWAYS have another way of accessing the internet to download drivers(and a USB sneakernet in place), you'll need it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 27 February, 2015, 11:24:16 am
Installing win 7 on an acer d255, and wireless does not work.....argh

Rule of thumb, unless using the recovery CDs, ALWAYS have another way of accessing the internet to download drivers(and a USB sneakernet in place), you'll need it.

Oh I thought of that, planned the upgrade from xp to windows7 and it is still being a pain.  Seems fine with win8/8.1 and flavours of linux just not 7.  Seem to see the wireless network and then not see any.



 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 February, 2015, 07:09:34 pm
Craghoppers, your web site is this: absolutely fucking appalling >:(  Did anyone actually test it from a mobile device?

I need some new trousers and after encountering that fucking shambles I doubt I will be buying them from you.

Edit: I take back some of the above.  It looks like you didn't test it on a proper Babbage-Engine either.  Slower than a 2CV chained to a block of concrete and a page for entering address details that defies belief in its sheer awfulness.  You say the State or Region field is mandatory even though you already know I'm in BRITAIN.  You blank out half my street address after I've entered it.  You get confused by "London" as a post town.  If I didn't like your kecks so much...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 02 March, 2015, 11:12:28 am
Serif. Because the syph can be cured.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 March, 2015, 09:04:27 pm
Microsith!  See this?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8607/16659135336_7440c5882d_o.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/16659135336/)

Would it therefore being asking too much of you to open IE the way it was when it was closed?  You know, like Firefox and Chrome do?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 03 March, 2015, 03:40:33 am
Installing win 7 on an acer d255, and wireless does not work.....argh

Rule of thumb, unless using the recovery CDs, ALWAYS have another way of accessing the internet to download drivers(and a USB sneakernet in place), you'll need it.

Oh I thought of that, planned the upgrade from xp to windows7 and it is still being a pain.  Seems fine with win8/8.1 and flavours of linux just not 7.  Seem to see the wireless network and then not see any.

Decided to update the lappy with a cable from the router.  So how many updates and how many days does it take?

And it still hasn't got wifi working.  Maybe it could be the wifi channel.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 03 March, 2015, 08:58:44 am
Have you installed the drivers for your wireless chipset as supplied by the laptop's manufacturer?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 March, 2015, 01:12:18 pm
YouTube, if I frob the "Autoplay" thingy to "off" it means I do not want you to play what you think is the next video in line.  Specifically, if I have been playing a vid about the Ladies' participation at the 2005 WHPSC I do not then wish to view something about the 2010 Battle Mountain High School "football" team.  You are not psychic.  Piss off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 03 March, 2015, 03:55:44 pm
iSlab - why can I not put an arbitrary video onto you? I do not want to wipe you completely because I haven't synced with you before. I don't want to sync, I want to download.

Whover though this was a useful tool has a very limited idea of useful.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 03 March, 2015, 06:25:47 pm
Have you installed the drivers for your wireless chipset as supplied by the laptop's manufacturer?

Ah yes, and you would think that it would work, but you (and I) would be wrong.  You have to download the built in network card drivers and the wireless card drivers then, using a cable downloading all the updates and restarts to win 7 then and only then the wireless works. As if by magic...

Suspect, after reading many pages on the internet, there is something in an update that helps it work.  AS without the updates the wireless card seems to want to stay connect or even powered on as the computer is no longer able to see anywireless networks.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 04 March, 2015, 08:52:59 pm
And it is no longer working....FFS acer.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 05 March, 2015, 08:33:39 pm
Oh FFS.

Look, you useless sack of crap. You're linux fer christ's sake - you're supposed to WORK!

I've given every fucker in the entire known universe permissions to this directory, so "operation not permitted" is a bit fucking precious. Just do what you're fucking told. Look - Windows 8.1 over there -------------> was happy about it, so should you be.

Now. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 05 March, 2015, 08:38:26 pm
Oh FFS.

Look, you useless sack of crap. You're linux fer christ's sake - you're supposed to WORK!

I've given every fucker in the entire known universe permissions to this directory, so "operation not permitted" is a bit fucking precious. Just do what you're fucking told. Look - Windows 8.1 over there -------------> was happy about it, so should you be.

Now. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

NTFS partition mount? Then the mount options are wrong.

Otherwise I'd look at SELinux.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 05 March, 2015, 11:06:31 pm
Finally got videos transferred with the help of a wee app, but they are under photos, not videos.

Oh well, at least there is some progress.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 06 March, 2015, 12:36:21 am
Tomorrow will go back to fixing the acer aspire one d255...wish me luck
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 06 March, 2015, 09:40:19 pm
Tomorrow will go back to fixing the acer aspire one d255...wish me luck

Now the wifi works for a bit, then stops working.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 07 March, 2015, 11:38:03 am
What channel is your wifi on? I've got an aspire and found that sometimes the wireless would work and other times it wouldn't, it turned out that the aspire won't see all the channels (it was the very high numbered ones, might have been 14)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 March, 2015, 04:25:47 pm
Microsith, just because this trackball mousey-thing is somewhat elderly is no reason for your Mouse & Keyboard Center (sic) not even to detect its presence.  Fortunately I have been able to source the appropriate Intellipoint drivers from elsewhere.  Elsewhere, that is, on microfuckingsith.com.

Given sufficient money I could build have built a Bugatti Type 35 from all-new parts (the stable lad did this last summer) and that went out of production around 1930.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 07 March, 2015, 08:38:39 pm
What channel is your wifi on? I've got an aspire and found that sometimes the wireless would work and other times it wouldn't, it turned out that the aspire won't see all the channels (it was the very high numbered ones, might have been 14)

Have tried that, it was on 6 as that was the quietest channel.  Think it is something else, such as a setting in the bios power setting, as restting the adaptor doesn't seem to bring the car back to life.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 08 March, 2015, 12:26:13 am
Given sufficient money I could build have built a Bugatti Type 35 from all-new parts (the stable lad did this last summer) and that went out of production around 1930.

He probably imported the parts from Argentina
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Diver300 on 08 March, 2015, 08:42:08 am
Microsoft Word.

That's probably said enough, but why the hell can't you print equations? Blank spaces on the paper above and below the lines just don't convey the needed information.

The work-around is to save as a .pdf and to print that, but printing as a .pdf just gets a .pdf with blank equations like the paper version. Saving as a .pdf would be easier to find if you didn't restrict the pull-down list of file types to view about 4 entries, so careful scrolling is needed. This is the 21st century, we use monitors that are bigger than 640x480, and we don't have to be restricted to menus the size of a toolbar icon if there are 20+ choices.

I can't be the only person who wants to print equations onto paper, or even as a .pdf to send to someone whose computer isn't infested with the execrable lump of bloatware that is Word, so why haven't they sorted it out?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 08 March, 2015, 10:29:39 am
Microsoft Word.

That's probably said enough, but why the hell can't you print equations? Blank spaces on the paper above and below the lines just don't convey the needed information.

The work-around is to save as a .pdf and to print that, but printing as a .pdf just gets a .pdf with blank equations like the paper version. Saving as a .pdf would be easier to find if you didn't restrict the pull-down list of file types to view about 4 entries, so careful scrolling is needed. This is the 21st century, we use monitors that are bigger than 640x480, and we don't have to be restricted to menus the size of a toolbar icon if there are 20+ choices.

I can't be the only person who wants to print equations onto paper, or even as a .pdf to send to someone whose computer isn't infested with the execrable lump of bloatware that is Word, so why haven't they sorted it out?

Have you tried this...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/960985

I think it applies to office 2010 too.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 March, 2015, 03:31:22 pm
Microsoft Word.

That's probably said enough, but why the hell can't you print equations? Blank spaces on the paper above and below the lines just don't convey the needed information.

They're probably embarrassed at how horrible their equations look when printed, they're bad enough on the screen!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 March, 2015, 01:15:53 am
Ye Dogs, Microsith, how fucking hard can it be to stop the "Touch Keyboard" wossname from spontaneously appearing in the System Tray?

"Very", is the answer.  Lots of mucking about with file permissions.  Does your webshite help in any way comprehensible to someone who has always had Advanced God access to everything?  Why, no!  No, it does not!

Anyway, TipBand.dll has been renamed to TitWank.dll and it's only taken 75 minutes.  And why would installing a different mouse cause the ball-achingly annoying thing to appear in the first place?

Holibob plans to visit Pacific northwest now amended to include the words "Redmond", "screaming" and "spears sticking out of their backs".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 09 March, 2015, 09:16:04 am
Microsoft Word.

That's probably said enough, but why the hell can't you print equations? Blank spaces on the paper above and below the lines just don't convey the needed information.

The work-around is to save as a .pdf and to print that, but printing as a .pdf just gets a .pdf with blank equations like the paper version. Saving as a .pdf would be easier to find if you didn't restrict the pull-down list of file types to view about 4 entries, so careful scrolling is needed. This is the 21st century, we use monitors that are bigger than 640x480, and we don't have to be restricted to menus the size of a toolbar icon if there are 20+ choices.

I can't be the only person who wants to print equations onto paper, or even as a .pdf to send to someone whose computer isn't infested with the execrable lump of bloatware that is Word, so why haven't they sorted it out?

Try LyX. Its free and uses LaTeX as its backend but hides it from you (unless you want to get your hands dirty and tweak it). Produces lovely PDFs with equations rendered properly and will embed the fonts in the PDF so anyone can view them.

http://www.lyx.org/

and here is an example PDF with equations both in line with the text and on their own. Its from 2001 which shows how long LyX has been around.

http://minnie.tuhs.org/Seminars/Bond/LyX_Thesis/seminar.pdf
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 09 March, 2015, 10:04:58 am
Ah, mothership, am I sitting comfortably in my command chair on subdeck 8945795-B? Why, thanks for asking on this fine Monday morning. Apparently not, it seems my 'posture assessment failed' and furthermore 'hostscan CSD prelogin verification failed.' I'm sorry, I didn't realise this was a test.

What's that, dear simian lifeforms on IT subdeck P8954-X? We need new certificates on 8th March? Have Mssrs Goldblum and Smith been testing our defences again (the LA thing was so embarrassing)? And your communication plan for this? Oh, I see, you didn't bother telling anyone direct, you put a small 40 pixel icon on our intranet homepage. Could this be why our global support desk is receiving an unprecedented volume of calls at the present time. I could request a new certificate online, couldn't I? If the request page didn't require a VPN connection to access.

Oh and after three hours, when I get the certificate I have to go to a Symantec PKI website that doesn't work with new versions of any browser.

Every fucking time they mess this up. Corporate IT monkey, you have just the one job and that's to enable the rest of us do ours.

Edit: as a bonus level, they send the certificate retrieval PIN and link via to our corporate email address which is – you guessed – only accessible via VPN.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Diver300 on 09 March, 2015, 12:21:08 pm
Microsoft Word.

That's probably said enough, but why the hell can't you print equations? Blank spaces on the paper above and below the lines just don't convey the needed information.

The work-around is to save as a .pdf and to print that, but printing as a .pdf just gets a .pdf with blank equations like the paper version. Saving as a .pdf would be easier to find if you didn't restrict the pull-down list of file types to view about 4 entries, so careful scrolling is needed. This is the 21st century, we use monitors that are bigger than 640x480, and we don't have to be restricted to menus the size of a toolbar icon if there are 20+ choices.

I can't be the only person who wants to print equations onto paper, or even as a .pdf to send to someone whose computer isn't infested with the execrable lump of bloatware that is Word, so why haven't they sorted it out?

Try LyX. Its free and uses LaTeX as its backend but hides it from you (unless you want to get your hands dirty and tweak it). Produces lovely PDFs with equations rendered properly and will embed the fonts in the PDF so anyone can view them.

http://www.lyx.org/

and here is an example PDF with equations both in line with the text and on their own. Its from 2001 which shows how long LyX has been around.

http://minnie.tuhs.org/Seminars/Bond/LyX_Thesis/seminar.pdf

Getting some free software installed on the locked-down work machines is a form of torture. MS Word is the approved software.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 09 March, 2015, 12:33:38 pm
I had a dream about LyX the other night.  I wonder if it's got good in the 12 years or so since I last used it?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 09 March, 2015, 02:02:06 pm
I had a dream about LyX the other night.  I wonder if it's got good in the 12 years or so since I last used it?

Along similar lines, listening to the radio this morning one guy mentioned he had written his book in MathType* as there was 11 pages of equations and it was easier to do the layout for the rest of the book in that than try and sort the equations in Word**.

*I believe he said MAthType, it may have been another one
** May be cross posting with other computer threads :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hubner on 09 March, 2015, 02:08:10 pm
It seems each newer version of Android gets less and less usable. Eg, no mass storage, cannot export contacts to SD card.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 09 March, 2015, 02:15:55 pm
It seems each newer version of Android gets less and less usable. Eg, no mass storage, cannot export contacts to SD card.

Mass storage, as in can't use it as a mass storage device? that has been gone a long time.

Why would you want to export contacts to an SD card? by backing them up to Google's servers they are always there, makes transferring to a new phone much less painful.

This might help, if the contacts are synced to the cloud:

http://support.fullcontact.com/knowledgebase/articles/155374-how-can-i-export-my-google-contacts-prior-to-using
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 10 March, 2015, 08:36:53 am
It seems each newer version of Android gets less and less usable. Eg, no mass storage, cannot export contacts to SD card.

Mass storage, as in can't use it as a mass storage device? that has been gone a long time.

Why would you want to export contacts to an SD card? by backing them up to Google's servers they are always there, makes transferring to a new phone much less painful.

This might help, if the contacts are synced to the cloud:

http://support.fullcontact.com/knowledgebase/articles/155374-how-can-i-export-my-google-contacts-prior-to-using

Yes that's fine if you are still happy sharing your life with Google.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 10 March, 2015, 08:45:31 am
Shrewsoft grumble NetworkManager grumble Strongswan grumble.

I can has IKE/IPSEC if I don't mind Shrewsoft bu$$ering up my network configuration.
I could has IKE/IPSEC without Shrewsoft if only I could figure out how to configure the Strongswan NetworkManager plugin.
I can has OpenVPN using NetworkManager but it completely fails to update name server and domain details in resolv.conf

I figure I'll have to hack my own solution together then.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 10 March, 2015, 10:34:05 am
It seems each newer version of Android gets less and less usable. Eg, no mass storage, cannot export contacts to SD card.

Mass storage, as in can't use it as a mass storage device? that has been gone a long time.

Why would you want to export contacts to an SD card? by backing them up to Google's servers they are always there, makes transferring to a new phone much less painful.

This might help, if the contacts are synced to the cloud:

http://support.fullcontact.com/knowledgebase/articles/155374-how-can-i-export-my-google-contacts-prior-to-using

Yes that's fine if you are still happy sharing your life with Google.

TBH, if you are not, don't bother buying an Android phone. Replace Google with Apple and don't bother buying a iPhone, rplace it with Microsoft and don't bother buying a Windows phone.

In short, if you actually want to use a smart phone as a smart phone, you have to compromise.  If you don't, then be my guest and buy a dumb phone.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: fuaran on 10 March, 2015, 11:56:23 am
It seems each newer version of Android gets less and less usable. Eg, no mass storage, cannot export contacts to SD card.
All of the Android versions I have used do have some way of importing/exporting contacts to a VCF or CSV file. Though the option is quite well hidden on some of them.
Then its easy enough to copy this file from the one phone to the other. You don't need to sync everything with Google.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 10 March, 2015, 05:13:00 pm
What channel is your wifi on? I've got an aspire and found that sometimes the wireless would work and other times it wouldn't, it turned out that the aspire won't see all the channels (it was the very high numbered ones, might have been 14)

Have tried that, it was on 6 as that was the quietest channel.  Think it is something else, such as a setting in the bios power setting, as restting the adaptor doesn't seem to bring the car back to life.

An update - Still not working.  The wireless card works on Linux mint, So it is somethingelse in windoze.  The driver from the atheros website is v10 over v9 that is on the acer website.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 10 March, 2015, 07:56:44 pm
VB.Net  chiz, chiz, _chiz_!

When stringA.GetType() reports "String" and stringB.GetType() reports "String" and both appear to contain the string "Fred" (or "Jim" or "Sheila" according to taste and inclination) how in the name of Hopper can ...

 if stringA.Equals(stringB, CultureInvariantIgnoreCase)

 evaluate false!?

Because  ... and you'll love this ...

Dim stringA = Ctype(aStringBoxedInAnObject, String)
Dim stringB As String = SomeFunction()

So stringA isn't _really_ a string at all whatever ::GetType() might say.. cos...

 if stringA.ToString().Equals(stringB, CultureInvariantIgnoreCase) 

evaluates true.

Leaving aside the fact that I don't much like working in VB and that  I _really_ wish that M$ had killed it off when .Net was introduced what provokes my ire about this is the  _hateful_ legacy code (dating back to when VB.Net was just VB) incorporated in the projects that has to have compile time checks "relaxed" thereby squelching all manner of really _useful_ warnings and errors that would catch stuff that otherwise isn't picked up until runtime.

Oh and while I'm here.  Colleagues.  It is C21.  REDIM in _new_ code!?  For pity's sake use a generic List<> or any other of the dozen collection types that are available in the Framework and have been since .Net was in Beta 15 odd years ago!   Sheesh!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 10 March, 2015, 08:09:25 pm
Ah. Equal things being un-equal.

We do a lot of floating-point math.
*never* attempt to use 'equal' with floating-point numbers.
It will *almost never* evaluate to true, even when it seems like it should.

There will always be a single-bit difference down in the LSB or somesuch.

I've seen someone try to use a floating point value as a loop index.
( A depth value, where the depth increments were 0.25 feet. )

It ended in tears.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 10 March, 2015, 11:50:48 pm
Garmin MapUpdate. What a load of shite.

It’s taken me about an hour just to get a firmware update onto the device (failed using Windows using various methods - the MapInstall app just hung after downloading the update). WebUpdater complained the update was corrupted. Switched to Mac. Same message. All sorts of googling suggested I needed to reformat the device. Eventually I tried connecting it in USB mass storage mode and hey presto, the update was installed fine.

Why so painful, Garmin?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 11 March, 2015, 08:37:16 am
TBH, if you are not, don't bother buying an Android phone. Replace Google with Apple and don't bother buying a iPhone, rplace it with Microsoft and don't bother buying a Windows phone.

In short, if you actually want to use a smart phone as a smart phone, you have to compromise.  If you don't, then be my guest and buy a dumb phone.

It is possible to use an Android phone without Google's services. Cyanogenmod FTW.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 11 March, 2015, 08:42:24 am
TBH, if you are not, don't bother buying an Android phone. Replace Google with Apple and don't bother buying a iPhone, rplace it with Microsoft and don't bother buying a Windows phone.

In short, if you actually want to use a smart phone as a smart phone, you have to compromise.  If you don't, then be my guest and buy a dumb phone.

It is possible to use an Android phone without Google's services. Cyanogenmod FTW.

WRONG!

Cyanogenmod still, quite heavily, uses Google Apps.  Without them you loses a LOT of functionality, such as the Google Play, Maps and Gmail.  It is possible to use an Android phone without using Google services, but why anyone would want to is beyond me, it's like buying an Aston Martin and fitting crossply tyres.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 11 March, 2015, 09:52:48 am
Windows. It's 2015 and I still have to get out of a crash by holding down the power button and doing a hard restart. Seriously? Crashy pile of shit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SteveC on 11 March, 2015, 10:00:46 am


I've seen someone try to use a floating point value as a loop index.
( A depth value, where the depth increments were 0.25 feet. )

It ended in tears.
I had a colleague who tried to use an FP variable for a time. So a quarter past nine was stored as 9.15. That did not end well either
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 11 March, 2015, 10:35:31 am
Shrewsoft grumble NetworkManager grumble Strongswan grumble.

I can has IKE/IPSEC if I don't mind Shrewsoft bu$$ering up my network configuration.
I could has IKE/IPSEC without Shrewsoft if only I could figure out how to configure the Strongswan NetworkManager plugin.
I can has OpenVPN using NetworkManager but it completely fails to update name server and domain details in resolv.conf

I figure I'll have to hack my own solution together then.

Actually, surprisingly, OpenVPN + Network Manager does now work. I can resolve hosts on the local network and the VPN connected network. Hoorah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 11 March, 2015, 10:45:44 am
TBH, if you are not, don't bother buying an Android phone. Replace Google with Apple and don't bother buying a iPhone, rplace it with Microsoft and don't bother buying a Windows phone.

In short, if you actually want to use a smart phone as a smart phone, you have to compromise.  If you don't, then be my guest and buy a dumb phone.

It is possible to use an Android phone without Google's services. Cyanogenmod FTW.

WRONG!

Cyanogenmod still, quite heavily, uses Google Apps.  Without them you loses a LOT of functionality, such as the Google Play, Maps and Gmail.  It is possible to use an Android phone without using Google services, but why anyone would want to is beyond me, it's like buying an Aston Martin and fitting crossply tyres.

Cyanogenmod doesn't include those Google apps in the ROM. You have to flash them onto the device afterwards. The missing functionality can be replaced with some quite good alternatives, which I'm not advocating anyone do unless already having a pre-disposition to these things.

As to why anyone would want to, I think that's a topic for POBI. Personally, I'm making a big step away from using Google's products and services. Again I'm not advocating that everyone else should.

I'm really not sure why you're responding so vehemently about my original remark, the inference being that there are alternatives if people wish to consider them and take the time to implement them.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 10:53:09 am
Cyanogenmod still, quite heavily, uses Google Apps.  Without them you loses a LOT of functionality, such as the Google Play, Maps and Gmail.  It is possible to use an Android phone without using Google services, but why anyone would want to is beyond me, it's like buying an Aston Martin and fitting crossply tyres.

I once read of an impoverished enthusiast who used to run his DB6 on the cross-plies intended for a Commer PB van...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 11 March, 2015, 10:56:06 am
Google Apps are not the be all and end of the connection between Android and Google (as far as services go), is my point.

Cyanogenmod et al still require a certain amount of interaction with Google, whether you like it or not.  Replacing Google Apps with a third party's still makes you reliant on that third party's services.

Cyanogenmod is not a panacea, which is how your reply to my post read, to me anyway.

My point still stands, if you don't want to be reliant on a third party's web services, DON'T BUY A SMART PHONE. Clear enough?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 11 March, 2015, 12:10:34 pm
No, I'm going to disagree with that.  A google-free Android is still a very useful device (compared to a notional Nokia 6310i dumbphone benchmark).  Using open-source apps you can do email, browse the web, play media files, navigate with Openstreetmap and countless other genuinely useful things without having to rely on a third-party service[1].  It's the closest thing you're going to get to an open smartphone.

Sure, there's functionality that you won't have (google calendars, for example), and there's obviously an amount of hoop-jumping required to actually install apps without access to the Play store, but we're talking about people who've rooted and re-flashed their phone already.


[1] Well, maybe not email.  But you could host it yourself, or pay an ISP to host it for you, or use an account provided by an employer, rather than sell your soul to a marketing company for it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 11 March, 2015, 12:11:32 pm
Google Apps are not the be all and end of the connection between Android and Google (as far as services go), is my point.

Cyanogenmod et al still require a certain amount of interaction with Google, whether you like it or not.  Replacing Google Apps with a third party's still makes you reliant on that third party's services.

Cyanogenmod is not a panacea, which is how your reply to my post read, to me anyway.

My point still stands, if you don't want to be reliant on a third party's web services, DON'T BUY A SMART PHONE. Clear enough?

I'm sorry your point is simply not valid. It is possible to use a smart phone without sharing your personal data with third parties. Android is architected to sandbox applications so data is not shared unless given express permission by the end user. Applications can use the Android Data Backup Service to backup and synchronise data across devices, but the app has to be configured to do so. In most apps, that is not explicit so some care is needed.

Although Android is developed by Google, it is released as open source so it's possible to review the code and ascertain exactly what interaction Android has with Google servers. There are a few versions of Android which have been re-written for highly secure scenarios where data cannot be transmitted to third parties.

I'm happy to concede that using a smart phone without sharing personal data is not a walk in the park and thus not an option for most end users, however there is still a choice between using a smart phone without reliance on third party services and using a dumb phone.

When I next re-flash my phone I will be using an Android ROM without additional Google services/applications. With a careful choice of applications that means I'm in control of where my data is stored and how it is shared.

Sorry for cross-posting with Kim
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 12:56:25 pm
Microsith!  I have installed that updated printer driver three times now.  Successfully, according to Windoze Updates.  And I even restarted the Babbage-Engine.  So I shouldn't need to install it again, should I?

Now fuck off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 11 March, 2015, 07:33:43 pm


I've seen someone try to use a floating point value as a loop index.
( A depth value, where the depth increments were 0.25 feet. )

It ended in tears.
I had a colleague who tried to use an FP variable for a time. So a quarter past nine was stored as 9.15. That did not end well either

 ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2015, 07:37:37 pm
Ah. Equal things being un-equal.

We do a lot of floating-point math.
*never* attempt to use 'equal' with floating-point numbers.
It will *almost never* evaluate to true, even when it seems like it should.

There will always be a single-bit difference down in the LSB or somesuch.

I've seen someone try to use a floating point value as a loop index.
( A depth value, where the depth increments were 0.25 feet. )

It ended in tears.

Using a Pentium, eh :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 11 March, 2015, 10:37:13 pm
BBC have borked iPlayer so that Squeezebox disnae play 6Music  :demon: Jist gonnae no  :hand:

Yay, it's back  :thumbsup:

Not working again  :demon:

And it's 'NOT AVAILABLE' on the XBOX  :demon: :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 11 March, 2015, 10:39:42 pm
And it's 'NOT AVAILABLE' on the XBOX  :demon: :demon:

You have an XBOX?  ??? ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 11 March, 2015, 10:59:25 pm
Err... apparently  :-[
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 12 March, 2015, 08:47:51 am
Presumably you have it to run ParanoidXbox linux on.  8)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 13 March, 2015, 04:29:55 pm
You know about source control don't you? Course you do.  This terribly clever piece of software sits all Smaug like on top of a dirty great pile of dirty washing^w^wsource code and lets you share it in a controlled way with your colleagues so that you don't accidentally overwrite the safety critical changes made by Fred to module ShutdownReactor and module BlowupReactor. Yeah?

So it'd be a really good idea if your source control software could, reliably, give you the latest version of a file when you ask for it and not sit there gurning like the village idiot and swearing, 'pon me oath guv'nor, that all files are up to date even when they're not.  Don't you think?

Well if that's your opinion, nay requirement, then don't buy fucking TFS from Microsoft. This shitty apology for a source control system has for, about fourth or fifth time in the last year or two, managed to let someone check in a stale version of a file after that developer explicitly requested the latest version.  No merge warnings, _nothing_.

It took me the best part of 5 hours to reinstate the changes I'd made to a particularly tricksy and business critical section of code even with the help of diff.  Worse.  The poor sod in the test team will now have to repeat over a week's worth of testing because the stuff he thought he was testing wasn't in the code to be tested and, to improve the situation no end, we have a release deadline hard upon us.

So to sum up.  TFS is a degenerate, pox-ridden heap of malware masquerading as a useful tool.   If you have a choice don't ever, _ever_ use the untrustworthy heap of bit-rotten shite.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 13 March, 2015, 11:21:54 pm
TFS is such a pile of steaming runny shit that I wouldn't know where to start describing it's flaws. TFS is shittier than a dysentry sufferer the morning after a dodgy curry.

How about, if you don't like the way that microsoft think your workflow should be, you can get it to show you a nice diagram of the workflow but if you actually want to change it then you get dumped into an editor with tens of thousands of lines of xml.

My previous employers insisted on it as the corporate standard, which is probably why we also ran servers for svn & jira which supported more users than tfs so that people could get work done.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 14 March, 2015, 09:23:19 am
Curiously enough, svn and jira is how I roll these days, too - though I only use svn because it has an integration with Visual Studio, otherwise I'd probably use git - if only because of its name.

I, and the company I work for on the basis of my recommendation, avoid TFS like the proverbial.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 14 March, 2015, 11:51:06 am
Apple Mail. You know what? Sent mail is important. That's why I have it set to "never delete". So don't quietly sneak in and change that to "remove from server when one month old". Now I have to go back through time machine restoring stuff and trying to work out how long ago it got changed. Last time I thought it must have been user error, but it's bloody happened again!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 15 March, 2015, 01:24:57 pm
Apple Mail is the turd in Apple's pristine lawn of user-friendliness. Basically, it's shit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 March, 2015, 03:15:03 pm
Netgear router, what the actual, veritable and undeniable fuck are you playing at?  Laptop loses contact with anything downstream of that shelf over there /.  Start old laptop - cannot find wireless network.  Seems unlikely that magic smoke has escaped from both Babbage-Engines simultaneously.  Manipulation of remote controls allows The Doors to pass from NAS to speakers via router and networked AV amp.  Kindle will not speak to Internets.  All lights fucked on the hairy amp drooling on router showing green.  Nine of them ::-)

Reboot router while making cup of pre-Rugby Brown Drink.  All now fine.

Throughout all above arsery (except router reboot, obv.), fondleslab able to speak to yacf, audaxclubhackney, dropbox, Google ect. ect.

???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 17 March, 2015, 04:20:37 pm
Windows waking up internal extra hard drives for no apparent reason at random times.  Bah!  It's enough to make me install physical power switches, which I have done in my desktops, but it's hardly practical with my laptop (with an HDD in place of the DVD, supplementing an SSD main drive).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 March, 2015, 04:42:20 pm
My NAS seems to sit there chuntering to itself sometimes even though nowt else on the network is in a sufficient state of awake to be asking it to Do Stuffs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jurek on 17 March, 2015, 07:36:24 pm
People who don't know about email etiquette, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the stuff.

My dear frend H.
I am flattered that you want to invite me to the private view of your art show, with a Shamanic experience (whatever the f*ck that is) thrown in, in trendiest Hoxtonia, later this month.
What possessed you to make my email address  visible when you CC'd 37 of your other invitees is making me  :facepalm: and is making my mind boggle.
I emailed you and was probably a little curt (no, that's not a spelling mistake).
I emailed you again, to apologise for my curtness, and offer some explanation, suggesting how you could do this in future using the BCC field, in a nice way, ending in 'lots of love, J, xx'.
On a normal day, my personal email receives spam emails numbering somewhere between 0 and 1.
This evening, on my return home, I open my email to find 137 spamtastic emails.
Thanks for that, H.

I had a similar thing from one of the organisers of the tw€€d run a year or two ago.
My email  addy CC'd to a number of addresses which ran well into three figures.
They had the unmitigated audacity to have a pop at me when I attempted to point out the error of their ways.
The curt. (that is a spelling mistake)

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 17 March, 2015, 09:40:25 pm
Adobe InDesign.

Our training manuals are all created in InDesign; it's what print-houses like to use.
You'd think that it's option to output a quick n dirty PDF ( an adobe format ) would *just work*?

You are in a steep-sided canyon. The Frigid river runs North-South, to the Falls of Flatulence, just visible to the South.
Canyon>Inventory
You have an Adobe InDesign document, a printer, and a short length of 4x2.
It is pitch dark, you are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
Canyon>Print document as PDF
A hollow laugh echoes round the canyon walls.  Your magic does not work here.
Canyon>_

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 March, 2015, 09:42:16 pm
Grue: Om nom nom nom tasty Feanor <BURRRP>
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 March, 2015, 09:58:18 pm
Adobe InDesign.

Our training manuals are all created in InDesign; it's what print-houses like to use.
You'd think that it's option to output a quick n dirty PDF ( an adobe format ) would *just work*?

You are in a steep-sided canyon. The Frigid river runs North-South, to the Falls of Flatulence, just visible to the South.
Canyon>Inventory
You have an Adobe InDesign document, a printer, and a short length of 4x2.
It is pitch dark, you are likely to be eaten by a Grue.
Canyon>Print document as PDF
A hollow laugh echoes round the canyon walls.  Your magic does not work here.
Canyon>_

Oh, lift up those petticoats and run, fair lady. InDesign is a gentle beast, suitable for petting zoos. Some of us remember Framemaker+SGML. Software that had to be kept in the cage to protect the unwary. Even Finestre, the Demon of Such Things, tiptoed around it whilst keeping one of her darker incantations in mind. There were commands, she hinted, buried deep in the labyrinthine submenus, in the darker corners of a UI that consisted entirely of dark corners, that could raise The Ones From Before.

Then we upgraded to 3B2 and a million kittens wailed as a great disturbance in the Force was felt. If only Jedis had kittens, things would have been a lot easier for them. 3B2 was best described as user hostile. The UI was practically Islamic State. You looked at it too long and it took your eyes hostage and made them beg.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 17 March, 2015, 10:13:19 pm
There were commands... buried deep in the labyrinthine submenus, in the darker corners of a UI that consisted entirely of dark corners...

Ah, you are familiar with our software product then?
It's a highly sophisticated and very specialised product, which has no 'general public' audience.
It's very expensive ( but much less so than our competition! )

The user interface is "Windows 98".
Seriously.

The only thing it's missing (usually) is the hundreds of cascading "DLL version error" dialogs with the accompanying *Dung Dung Dung* sounds.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 17 March, 2015, 10:16:41 pm
ITYF the correct onomatopoeic representation of that sound is "Bing!  BingBingBingBingBing!"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 March, 2015, 10:28:54 pm
O hai, Babbagery, plz to be not ripping that one CD at a fifth the speed of all the others I've done today.

kthxbai
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 March, 2015, 02:37:02 am
Curiosity now tickled as CD reissues of pre-1988 recordings on label X average about 6x when ripping bust post-1988 ones on label Y did 18-20.  Does BGO Records oops what a giveaway use the optical equivalent of cheese when getting its CDs made or something?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 21 March, 2015, 07:16:20 pm
I've just made headless firefox work for the second time this afternoon.
Both times I did it by removing a file so that the other version of said file could be found.  ::-)
How come that bloody file reappeared?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 March, 2015, 09:36:21 am
Phoned Microsoft because I can't get my exam transcript off the MCP site. Follow the instructions given and get a blank page, so I ask if that's because I'm using Safari. The guy tells me to close Safari and open the page in Internet Explorer - err, I'm using Safari, therefore I'm using a Mac, and internet explorer hasn't been supported on OSX since 2003! And what happened to IE supposedly now being "standards compliant"?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 March, 2015, 01:36:03 pm
Why, O Denon AVR, when I ask you to play $TUNE from the NAS do you insist on telling me that you are playing Leo Kottke's "The Brain Of The Purple Mountain" come hell or high water, and then not playing it?  It is neither big nor clever.  Stop it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 23 March, 2015, 01:51:47 pm
I've just made headless firefox work for the second time this afternoon.
Both times I did it by removing a file so that the other version of said file could be found.  ::-)
How come that bloody file reappeared?

selenium testing?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 23 March, 2015, 02:47:08 pm
Curiosity now tickled as CD reissues of pre-1988 recordings on label X average about 6x when ripping bust post-1988 ones on label Y did 18-20.  Does BGO Records oops what a giveaway use the optical equivalent of cheese when getting its CDs made or something?

I'd never have taken you for a Shirley Bassey & Andy Williams fan.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 23 March, 2015, 02:50:24 pm
Phoned Microsoft because I can't get my exam transcript off the MCP site. Follow the instructions given and get a blank page, so I ask if that's because I'm using Safari. The guy tells me to close Safari and open the page in Internet Explorer - err, I'm using Safari, therefore I'm using a Mac, and internet explorer hasn't been supported on OSX since 2003! And what happened to IE supposedly now being "standards compliant"?

There is a Safari for Widows.

The last laugh will fall on the 'use Internet Exploder' morons in a few months. When it is eol'ed and replaced by a new one that I think is called "Shit".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 March, 2015, 03:04:11 pm
Curiosity now tickled as CD reissues of pre-1988 recordings on label X average about 6x when ripping bust post-1988 ones on label Y did 18-20.  Does BGO Records oops what a giveaway use the optical equivalent of cheese when getting its CDs made or something?

I'd never have taken you for a Shirley Bassey & Andy Williams fan.

GIT!!1!

'tis the earlier albums of USAnian guitar maestro Leo Kottke...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 23 March, 2015, 03:07:45 pm
I've just made headless firefox work for the second time this afternoon.
Both times I did it by removing a file so that the other version of said file could be found.  ::-)
How come that bloody file reappeared?

selenium testing?

PhantomJS?

Talking of which... If you're the first new high st bank in 100 years or whatever you claim to be, then try one of the above for your website. Using an HTML5 input type that's currently not supported by ANY major browser other than Chrome, and not programming any fallback, is quite frankly: shit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 March, 2015, 03:39:56 pm
Microsith!  If I wanted to disable add-ons to improve browser performance would I have installed them in the first place?

Why, no!  No, I would not.

Is there an add-on called "Disable fatuous messages from Microsith"?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 23 March, 2015, 03:44:47 pm
BBC News:
WTF does your new website have so much blank white space and require so much flippin scrolling?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 23 March, 2015, 04:05:06 pm
Phoned Microsoft because I can't get my exam transcript off the MCP site. Follow the instructions given and get a blank page, so I ask if that's because I'm using Safari. The guy tells me to close Safari and open the page in Internet Explorer - err, I'm using Safari, therefore I'm using a Mac, and internet explorer hasn't been supported on OSX since 2003! And what happened to IE supposedly now being "standards compliant"?

There is a Safari for Widows.

The last laugh will fall on the 'use Internet Exploder' morons in a few months. When it is eol'ed and replaced by a new one that I think is called "Shit".

Nah, they're naming everything after Halo characters because that's like how the kids work. Showing the magnificent corporate brain in action, endless layers of management synaptically forwarding email messages. Either that or they'll spend USD1,000,000 on marketing and focus groups to call it 'Net Discoverer' or something.

Apple killed Safari for Windows back in 2012 on the grounds that it was generally as shit as IE for Mac.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mike J on 23 March, 2015, 07:15:02 pm
Microsith!  If I wanted to disable add-ons to improve browser performance would I have installed them in the first place?

Why, no!  No, I would not.

Is there an add-on called "Disable fatuous messages from Microsith"?

At least they don't have the annoying paper clip anymore.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 March, 2015, 07:48:14 pm
Don't tell me you don't miss Clippy :o

(http://invisiblebike.wikispaces.com/file/view/clippy-suicide.gif/127346833/clippy-suicide.gif)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 24 March, 2015, 10:33:38 am
Whosr bright idea was it to take a perfectly workable laptop (Intel Core i7, 12Gb RAM, 1Tb SSHD) and throw in a couple of things that make it an annoyance to use, thus:

1) The new style synaptics pad where the buttons are built into the pad, it just doesn't work, it takes me three goes to recognise a left click, possibly longer, if at all, to recognise a right click!

2) Lets take a fantastic graphics card (Geforce 480M) and make it the SECONDARY graphics card, so that you use the crappy Intel one day to day then have to do some voodoo to be able to watch a mkv file in anything like a normal frame rate.

Bloody idiots!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 24 March, 2015, 10:38:16 am
Phoned Microsoft because I can't get my exam transcript off the MCP site. Follow the instructions given and get a blank page, so I ask if that's because I'm using Safari. The guy tells me to close Safari and open the page in Internet Explorer - err, I'm using Safari, therefore I'm using a Mac, and internet explorer hasn't been supported on OSX since 2003! And what happened to IE supposedly now being "standards compliant"?

There is a Safari for Widows.

The last laugh will fall on the 'use Internet Exploder' morons in a few months. When it is eol'ed and replaced by a new one that I think is called "Shit".

Nah, they're naming everything after Halo characters because that's like how the kids work. Showing the magnificent corporate brain in action, endless layers of management synaptically forwarding email messages. Either that or they'll spend USD1,000,000 on marketing and focus groups to call it 'Net Discoverer' or something.

Apple killed Safari for Windows back in 2012 on the grounds that it was generally as shit as IE for Mac.

Ah, didn't know that about Safari Mac.

And you have conformed, the new Micro$ith Browser will be called "Grunt".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mike J on 24 March, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
Don't tell me you don't miss Clippy :o

(http://invisiblebike.wikispaces.com/file/view/clippy-suicide.gif/127346833/clippy-suicide.gif)

I prefer this one

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEcp0jICUAAZGyX.jpg)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 25 March, 2015, 08:26:09 pm
I have phones, a tablet, and some mp3 player I got in a Christmas cracker, that'll all connect to my bluetooth speakers, almost without me looking.

Linux? Ah Linux....

Is it an Audio Device? Is it an Audio Sink? (WTF???). Do I need to pair it or not? I assume so, but it makes no difference...

Nope. Bluetooth on recent Linux Desktops is still non-functional.

C'mon linux developer dudes - get with it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 March, 2015, 11:02:29 pm
<Linux spod>

Like, DIY, dude ;)

</Linux spod>
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: henshaw11 on 25 March, 2015, 11:47:44 pm
I have phones, a tablet, and some mp3 player I got in a Christmas cracker, that'll all connect to my bluetooth speakers, almost without me looking.

Linux? Ah Linux....

Is it an Audio Device? Is it an Audio Sink? (WTF???). Do I need to pair it or not? I assume so, but it makes no difference...

Nope. Bluetooth on recent Linux Desktops is still non-functional.

C'mon linux developer dudes - get with it.

From a cursory search - Bluez installed ?
What flavour of linux  ?
( bluetooth works on android , I'm wondering how they differ..)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 26 March, 2015, 12:05:50 am
Bluetooth was one of Stan's finest moments.  It simply excels at failing to work even by the pitiful standards usually reserved for anything involving wireless communication.  When a given bluetooth pairing works, it's simply to lull you into a false sense of reliability.  While obviously some platforms are more gifted than others, I've yet to meet one that does bluetooth without being frustratingly broken in some way - and I'm including the late lamented Nokia 6310i in that.

I'm sure the basic design spec was "come up with something that makes USB look simple".

Audio on Linux, though?  That makes bluetooth look simple.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Arellcat on 26 March, 2015, 12:52:53 am
At least they don't have the annoying paper clip anymore.

Don't tell me you don't miss Clippy :o

 :(  I was rather fond of Scribble the origami cat.

I also liked watching Links the cat scratching the side of my screen, tearing up bits of paper, or curling up and going to sleep on the toolbar.  I didn't really use the Microsoft Assistant for actual assistance, mind you.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_z_BPo98TPjs/RrFfcI_oPXI/AAAAAAAAAUU/XKnfQJ30KI4/s400/cat1.JPG)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 March, 2015, 06:54:06 am
Strava, how hard can it be to get your poxy webby SCIENCE actually to display the comments when I tap "Display all n comments" on a fondleslab?  Rather than coughing up a keyboard and expecting me to start entering a comment of my very own?

Sort it out u muppets!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 March, 2015, 09:50:44 am
At least they don't have the annoying paper clip anymore.

Don't tell me you don't miss Clippy :o

 :(  I was rather fond of Scribble the origami cat.

I also liked watching Links the cat scratching the side of my screen, tearing up bits of paper, or curling up and going to sleep on the toolbar.  I didn't really use the Microsoft Assistant for actual assistance, mind you.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_z_BPo98TPjs/RrFfcI_oPXI/AAAAAAAAAUU/XKnfQJ30KI4/s400/cat1.JPG)

It's not just me. The search cat was ace.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 29 March, 2015, 10:34:28 am
Apple Mail is the turd in Apple's pristine lawn of user-friendliness. Basically, it's shit.

Not sure whether it is Apple Mail or Exchange, but mail plays an almost daily game of pretending to work, but not actually talking to the server. The only indication is a suspicious lack of people bothering me. Remedy is force stop. Which means anything I've filed or deleted comes back. Yawn.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 April, 2015, 12:25:21 pm
Powershell.
If the output from:

Code: [Select]
$myAssociativeArray = @()
for ([int]$i=1; $i -lt 4; $i++)
{
    for ([int]$j=11; $j -lt 32; $j=$j+10)
    {
        $myAssociativeArray += ,@($i, $j, [int](($i +1) * $j))
    }
}

foreach ($row in $myAssociativeArray)
{
    write-host "$($row[0]) green frogs, $($row[1]) horny toads & $($row[2]) bottles of beer"
}

looks something like:

1 green frogs, 11 horny toads & 22 bottles of beer
1 green frogs, 21 horny toads & 42 bottles of beer
1 green frogs, 31 horny toads & 62 bottles of beer
2 green frogs, 11 horny toads & 33 bottles of beer
2 green frogs, 21 horny toads & 63 bottles of beer
2 green frogs, 31 horny toads & 93 bottles of beer
3 green frogs, 11 horny toads & 44 bottles of beer
3 green frogs, 21 horny toads & 84 bottles of beer
3 green frogs, 31 horny toads & 124 bottles of beer


what would you expect from..

Code: [Select]
foreach ($row in ($myAssociativeArray | where-object { $_[2] -eq 124 }))
{
    write-host "$($row[0]) green frogs, $($row[1]) horny toads & $($row[2]) bottles of beer"
}


?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 April, 2015, 12:51:21 pm
Powershell.

?

It would not surprise me in the slightest if it opened the CD tray or remapped the keyboard to Uzbek.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 08 April, 2015, 08:18:11 pm
Powershell.
:
:

3 green frogs, 21 horny toads & 84 bottles of beer
3 green frogs, 31 horny toads & 124 bottles of beer

what would you expect from..

foreach ($row in ($myAssociativeArray | where-object { $_[2] -eq 124 }))
{
    write-host "$($row[0]) green frogs, $($row[1]) horny toads & $($row[2]) bottles of beer"
}

?

Hmmm, I'd hope to see only those rows where the element at index 2 was 124.  So mebbe the last row?

This suggests that you are either seeing:
a) All rows or
b) Sweet Fanny Adams

*Flips coin*  Probably the latter.   What was the fix?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 09 April, 2015, 08:37:23 am
The foreach iterates over each item instead of the single row returned from the associative array, thus you get:

3 green frogs, horny toads & bottles of beer
31 green frogs, horny toads & bottles of beer
124 green frogs, horny toads & bottles of beer


So for now I'm using:
foreach ($row in ($myAssociativeArray | where-object { $_[2] -eq 124 }))
{
    if($row[2] -ne 124)
    {
        continue
    }
    write-host "$($row[0]) green frogs, $($row[1]) horny toads & $($row[2]) bottles of beer"
}



It's actually a Powershell script that reboots all the developer workstations, once over a two week period. Machines are selected from active directory, their host names are hashed and they are then sorted via the hashed key. Machines are then selected for reboot from the list based on the day and week number in the two week cycle. The script ensures more machines are rebooted mid-week and fewer machines are rebooted on a Monday or Friday. Sounds a bit OTT, but I tend to make any changes in Group Policy (e.g. software updates, configuration changes) towards the end of the week so it means a fairly controlled roll out.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 09 April, 2015, 09:53:23 am
Ah the wonders of powershell.

You have a 2 dimensional array (don't call it myAssociativeArray, that's as confusing as $myInteger = 3.1415) which looks something like:
((1,11,22),(1,21,42)...)
You can think of this as an array of arrays.

You've clearly heard of the "comma trick" as it's in your code - if there's no comma, it's not an array. So (1,2) is an array and (,1) is an array with one element, but (1) is not an array it's a scalar value. Why am I telling you this? Well, your where-object cmdlet, for this data, returns ((3,31,124)) - that's a single array out of your array of arrays. Powershell then treats the foreach as iterating over this as a 1-dimensional array, NOT over the outer array containing a single element that's an array. So $row is no longer a row, it's an integer.

You can see this in action if you change the comparison from "-eq" to "-ne", the results will be all the lines as in your first example bar the last one. In other words it works as expected. Only when there's a single result selected by the filter is there a problem.

The way to fix this is to force powershell to treat the output from where-object as an array even when it thinks it can be flattened:
Code: [Select]
foreach ($row in @($myAssociativeArray | where-object { $_[2] -eq 124 }))
By the way, I sincerely hope this isn't related to your comment in the other thread about "learning a proper language". Powershell is a steaming pile of dogshit and should only ever be used if you're being forced to.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 09 April, 2015, 12:35:34 pm
Interesting. I'll try that.

My confusion about associative arrays arises from the "@" symbol, but now I see the difference between:

Code: [Select]
$myArray1 = "blah", "foo", "bar"
$myArray2 = @("blah", "foo", "bar")
which I presume are effectively the same and

Code: [Select]
$myHashTable = @{ foo="bar"}
And I realise associative array is a synonym for hash table. Correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, I sincerely hope this isn't related to your comment in the other thread about "learning a proper language". Powershell is a steaming pile of dogshit and should only ever be used if you're being forced to.

I'm learning C .. albeit slowly. And I've done some rudimentary bits in Ruby but I'm not sure as to whether or not you would call that a proper language :)
I used to despise Powershell but it's actually pretty handy/powerful for domain admin type stuffs. Certainly preferable to VBScript.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 09 April, 2015, 01:02:17 pm
Why can website builders make it so that you can see a website in "mobile mode" on a desktop browser, but not in desktop mode on mobile? Same browser and on a mobile OS that supposed to make it feel like a desktop and even when you tick the "request desktop site". Oh while I'm at it, if you make a mobile version of your site, put some fecking information on it and make it so you can navigate the site.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 April, 2015, 02:44:18 pm
iThings, what the fuck have you done with those Hendrix albums?  Give them back immediately, you anbarodivot >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 10 April, 2015, 02:47:03 pm
They set fire to them.  It's what Hendrix would have wanted.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 April, 2015, 02:59:39 pm
Bizarrely, Jimi Plays Monterey is not among the missing coz I set the album artist wrong...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 April, 2015, 02:30:54 pm
Dear Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia,

Please do not tell me that an upgrade to iOS 8.3 is available and then tell me the install "failed" scarcely had it even begun, thereby causing me to fear that my Fondleslab had turned into an expensive paperweight.  Furthermore, please do not present no information as to why this has happened.

Or I'll set fire to your black roll-neck jumpers with you inside them.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 April, 2015, 02:01:46 pm
Oi! Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! Why! is! flickr! so! shit! on! a! Fondleslab!?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DaveJ on 13 April, 2015, 03:51:02 pm
"Windows is up to date.  There are no updates available."  OK, so now we can shut the machine down..... "Applying 1 of 179"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 13 April, 2015, 08:19:11 pm
Oi! Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! Why! is! flickr! so! shit! on! a! Fondleslab!?

To provide UI consistency with flickr on all other platforms, of course.


While we're ranting about UI, it turns out that there's a devious security feature in Android that stops you from being able to click on the SuperSU "grant root privileges to this app" button when sounds-like-a-sparkly-vampire has dimmed the screen to a soothing nocturnal tint.  While I'm all for avoiding privilege escalation attacks (especially those perpetrated by manipulative sparkly vampires - see endless teen fiction passim) the correct thing to do from a UI perspective at that point is, as any fule knows, to pop up a little animated GIF of Dennis Nedry saying "Ah-ah-ah!".  Silently inhibiting the button press and allowing the dialog to time out to its default "deny" state will merely convince the user that their touchscreen is broken, and/or there's a mysterious bug in SuperSU that only allows root access during hours of daylight.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 13 April, 2015, 08:27:07 pm
It runs fine on my WIn7 PC but like a dog on the Macbook (Mountain Lion)
Maybe it is a seekrit conspiracy to persuade me to upgrade to Yosemite.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 13 April, 2015, 09:23:52 pm
Just left this on the Virgin Media forum, I wonder if it will be deleted or answered?

Quote
I am an occasional user of TV Anywhere, I haven't used it for about 7 months, maybe more. I'm used to Virgin's unbelievably poor web implementations, but really, this is shocking.

The service used to work fine for me, no problems, now does it? Does it heck. After finding the service - for which anyone deserves a Top Sleuth medal - come on, Virgin, how difficult would it be to put a link on the top of some useful or intuitive page? No, why do that, put a link to a load of useless blurb and hide the live link at the bottom -  signing in multiple times as ever with Virgin - Chrome appears to be broken completely,

OK let's try Firefox. Oh, look! Having registered in Chrome, Firefox thinks this computer is another device. I wouldn't swear to it (because that would actually mean Virgin implemented something useful) but I'm fairly certain it used to be by device rather than by browser. Not sure I want to have two registrations on the same machine. So...


Let's try Android. I have a Nexus 5 running Lollipop,I'm up for trying it. On the "help" (mwah hah hah) page it tells me the Nexus 5 is fully supported. OK, lets find it on Google Play. For whatever reason, can't be found on the phone, OK, use the desktop. Oh, look. "This application is not compatible with your device"  That's another fine mess you've made, Virgin.

I assume that is because I am now running 5.1, which has been about for a while, but it is a pretty poor show.

Program I wanted to watch is finished now.

Virgin, you took what was a passably good service and have buried it.

(program was Paris Roubaix - I assume they have deliberately broken Chrome because of Chromecast - what I wanted to use to watch)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 15 April, 2015, 09:38:29 pm
Dear cow-orkers.
You work in the IT industry.
You should understand about this kind of stuff.

When I need you to send me  500MB files, I don't expect you to struggle to find a way to do it.
I don't expect you to try to e-mail it.

We have a shared network drive on a local server, on a gigabit LAN for exactly this purpose.

So WTF do you all insist on skyping them to me, thereby tromboning the file all the way out to Skype's server-in-the-sky, and all the way back, over our mediocre interpipes?

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 16 April, 2015, 12:51:55 am
Because they haven't got enough quota on DropBox, obviously.

Barakta tried to send me some files using DropBox the other week.  It's supposed to spot clients on the same LAN and transfer the files locally, but it clearly wasn't.  Sneakernet would have ultimately been much less painful, as would my original suggestion of putting them in a directory on the file server and chmodding it.  Won't be making that mistake again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 16 April, 2015, 12:15:25 pm
Whereas a while back Dr Larrington sent me an 80kb text file, which started life as an e-mail anyway, via Dropbox.  That was a prime candidate for being an attachment.  Doubly so if it takes you three attempts to remember your Dropbox passworm >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 April, 2015, 01:12:52 pm
Note to self: read fucking small print.  New Babbage-Engine did not come with keyboard or mouse whereas one with Windows pre-installed does.  Rolling one's own Windows install had better be worth it >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 17 April, 2015, 07:50:22 pm
Corsair and Antec power supplies with modular cables: they use the same connectors, but with the pins wired differently (in a bad way as well), so I can't use my customised SATA power cables without more customisation.  Adopt a standard, you bloody annoying manufacturers.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 17 April, 2015, 11:30:58 pm
As good as any place to put this.

Wireless charging it is not, when you need to wire up the object that your item needs to be millimetres from to be able to charge. It is only wireless when you can walk on the moors miles away from a power point and have a full charge. OK I will accept it if it is within your house.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 April, 2015, 12:30:13 am
Wireless charging it is not, when you need to wire up the object that your item needs to be millimetres from to be able to charge. It is only wireless when you can walk on the moors miles away from a power point and have a full charge. OK I will accept it if it is within your house.

It's charging without a direct electrical connection.  That's wireless enough for me, by any reasonable definition (eg. that it's relying on magic, rather than electricity).  The effect works over long distances, if you drop the frequency low enough and make the antenna correspondingly longer - but that's more useful for injecting annoying buzzing noises into people's hearing aids or painstakingly instructing submarines to nuke Moscow, rather than topping up your iPhone.

Besides, if your device could be an arbitrary distance from the power source and have a full charge, you wouldn't need a battery, would you? 

Presumably "magnetoquasistatic charging" was considered to be a bit of a mouthful...   ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 18 April, 2015, 06:33:44 am
Well that was what Mr Nikola Telsa was working some nearly hundred years ago.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 18 April, 2015, 07:57:44 am
Dear Screwgle,

When I disable apps that means that I don't want updates, clearly.

Why don't you understand that?

Please stop behaving like you know what's best for me.  You are not my doctor.

That is all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 April, 2015, 08:32:14 am
Well that was what Mr Nikola Telsa was working some nearly hundred years ago.

While he was no odder, say, than a monkey in a bucket of custard or some members of this forum, by most rational standards he was a bit of a fruitbat, thobut : demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Canardly on 18 April, 2015, 10:19:09 am
Regarding Tesla, didnt the Royal Navy used to cook/explode cows in the Shetlands or some such, using low frequency submarine comms?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 April, 2015, 01:04:30 pm
Well that was what Mr Nikola Telsa was working some nearly hundred years ago.

While he was no odder, say, than a monkey in a bucket of custard or some members of this forum, by most rational standards he was a bit of a fruitbat, thobut : demon:

Tesla's resonant inductive coupling experiments were valid enough, the fruitbattery was expecting to be able to use what is fundamentally a nearfield effect over long distances (for that you really need a microwave beam, or something).  He probably didn't know that at the time, though.  He also didn't have to worry about the FCC sending the lads round.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 April, 2015, 11:51:37 pm
Look, Windows, just because both those machines are on the same network does not mean I want them to look the same.  They have different monitors, FFS.  I'll do you a little table:

MachineLogin screenDesktop background
LapdancerSmall-block ChevyMonument Valley
DesktopLister-JaguarBonneville Salt Flats

Is that so difficult to accomplish, you useless gonk?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 20 April, 2015, 07:20:54 pm
Oh look, Apple have released a super new replacement for iPhoto. Now, what's probably the most complained about piece of shit software that Apple produce? Hmm, I think it would take anyone about a femtosecond to joyously declare i-Fucking-Tunes. Is there any anyone on planet Earth who says 'whoo, that new iTunes UI is particularly easy and intuitive, I only wish more products would use it.' No. I've asked the Dr0moP54$$s of Xargxx IV and even they've heard it's the most shit UI ever invented. That's because it's the most shit UI in the entire universe. It's a UI so shit that even Microsoft would demur.

So what did the blessed of Cupertino do? They ported the same cryptic UI over to Photos. Dump the entire paradigm of 'events' which made nice containers for your photos, so you can nicely label things (admittedly no one knew the difference between an event and an album, but iPhoto always presented you with an event). Now, OK, I'd really like to go back and put several thousand photographs back into albums. Actually I wouldn't. Perhaps I could live with all that, but seriously, you've removed many of the metadata options, including the ability to add a location to a picture unless it's taken with a device that has GPS. So instead I just have a big list of photos and dates. Very fucking useful.

Edit: none of this should be taken to mean that iPhoto is good. iPhoto is still a big enough turd to give a straining brontosaurus cross-eyes.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 April, 2015, 01:17:27 am
Could I mention that iTunes is generally OK as long as all you use it for is keeping an iPod fed and watered.  Manually, obv.  I have bought precisely two albums from the iTunes Store and can only find one of them outwith the iThings Library - I think Bonio must have petioned the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia to hide the other one* after I slagged U-DOS off for appearing all unwanted like in iStuffs last year.

I know nothing of this iPhoto of which Sir speaks but then I can't be arsed with metadatastasing photos anyway, and the "upgrade" to iOS on the fondleslab last September - with its constant blathering about the lack of a SIM card - was way more annoying than anything iTunes has ever done to me.

* "Spectre At The Feast" by the very splendid Hellset Orchestra
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 21 April, 2015, 09:42:07 am
It's that these programs have a UI design that seems, like a rebellious and none-too-bright teen, intent on breaking every convention. Options and views that come and go, ghostly and elusive sidebars. You want the 'collections' view in Photos, you have to press a back button from 'moments'. Seriously. What's a fucking 'moment' anyway and what do they have to do with with 'collections'? If you want a timeline, why not years < months < weeks < days? Uh?

And that they lose random features. Not all cameras have GPS and it's useful to know where a picture was taken. In ten years time I probably won't know where I was on 17 April 2015. In about five months time, I won't remember. I shouldn't have to play of a game isn't that the building in... Before you could select a pile of pictures, click 'get info' and add a place. Job done. It doesn't seem exactly an edge use case. It's information that it automatically retains for photos with the location added by the camera, though again not editable. Same for 'faces' which now clunks. Again, I'd like to be able to tag pictures and pull up, say, all the pictures I've taken in Hong Kong, or those that feature the delightful Cohort of Ms Frangipani.

The quest for reducing functionality to match that on a tablet continues. I blame Finestre, the Demon of Such Things. She had to trump skeuomorphism, which while inspired, hah had its day. She really does outdo herself. I think her performance review must be coming up.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 21 April, 2015, 10:32:22 am
I use aperture, which is like grown up iPhoto. I tried the photos app because the idea of syncing my photos between my machines over iCloud appealed however I've just reimported my photos into aperture because photos is rubbish.

If I just wanted to browse all my photos in a list I'd just dump them in a folder.

D.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 21 April, 2015, 11:45:14 am
If I just wanted to browse all my photos in a list I'd just dump them in a folder.

Yes, but with Photos you get a smear of unusable teeny thumbnails like someone has pinned an entire year's worth of photos to a fence at the far end of a large car park and left you to squint at it with a pair of cheap binoculars.

I must be getting old. I don't really care about sharing all my photos. I just want to catalogue my pictures in a useable way that let's me easily find the photo I want. Anyway, without geotagging it's useless, so I'll need to find something else to satisfy what I thought were my undemanding needs.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 21 April, 2015, 12:27:04 pm
Aperture.

I want Aperture. Not iPhotos

At some time in the future, when Aperture stops working I shall have to find a new Photo management and manipulation app. Which makes me  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 21 April, 2015, 12:34:09 pm
Aperture.

I want Aperture. Not iPhotos

At some time in the future, when Aperture stops working I shall have to find a new Photo management and manipulation app. Which makes me  >:( >:( >:(

I had iPhoto and Photoshop Elements. Worked fine. I don't see a third party editor option any more. That might be the inscrutable UI but I suspect that's another feature lost to progress. I love my iPad but I really don't see why my full computer has to be limited to the same feature set as the tablet and smartphone versions. One of the great things about the Apple-verse was that it pretty much included everything I need without having to install third party apps to do basic tasks like manage photos or send an email.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 21 April, 2015, 01:08:09 pm
I have given up trying to find a photo organising program. They all either don't do what I want: as in not doing what I want/need or try to do stuff by themselves that I do no need/want - rotation, commenting, sorting all by themselves and didn't ask for.

Then when you think you have found one that works, they either stop supporting it, not compatible with OS upgrade, new update that just changed the UI into an un-usable mess or features you used/liked just go walkies.

So now I dump my photos into folder sorted by date, event type and title. If they need more fiddling I bring out the Gimp.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 21 April, 2015, 10:43:55 pm
damnation - another reason to not leave Mountain Lion behind.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 22 April, 2015, 07:38:47 am
Quote
When ctrl + alt + delete doesn't work, just shoot the darn thing.
He got tired of fighting with his computer for the last several months," Lt. Jeff Strossner said. "He was having technology problems, so he took it out in the back alley and shot it.
Read more at http://gazette.com/man-shoots-computer-in-colorado-springs-alley-gets-revenge-he-wanted-and-a-citation/article/1550042#z3IgkiAFzPobHEfb.99

(http://cdn.csgazette.biz/cache/r960-17fce9f233d2bc29c7ce7df7c533e89a.jpg)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 April, 2015, 06:14:42 pm
Microsith, you are a pack of splattercrap-covered poomonkeys!  $UPDATE fails to install.  Repeatedly.  And judging from the Microsith Community Forum, I am not alone in this.  Aha! says a Microsith droid.  You need to have installed $OTHER_UPDATE and $OTHER_OTHER_UPDATE first.  The former cannot be found in the update history.  Perhaps I can install this manually?

Why, no!  No, I cannot.  "Page not found".  Your ball, Microsith.

Curiously, it installed fine on the desktop box ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 23 April, 2015, 12:37:40 pm
I have given up trying to find a photo organising program. They all either don't do what I want: as in not doing what I want/need or try to do stuff by themselves that I do no need/want - rotation, commenting, sorting all by themselves and didn't ask for.

Then when you think you have found one that works, they either stop supporting it, not compatible with OS upgrade, new update that just changed the UI into an un-usable mess or features you used/liked just go walkies.

So now I dump my photos into folder sorted by date, event type and title. If they need more fiddling I bring out the Gimp.

This is the direction I'm thinking of going, on the basis of cloud sync of folders of files works a lot better than bespoke library files with odd versioning. Might be an excuse to expand my dropbox storage.

D.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 23 April, 2015, 05:48:21 pm
Funny enough of all the online photo galleries/storage/sharing things out there. I like Dropbox simple, easy and looks OK without all that extra crap that you don't need when just viewing a few photos. Sadly I got so many I have to resize them to be able to squeeze them into my 11Gb free Dropbox.

Here is a tinfoil hat for you dropboxers - Miss C Rice, yes the lass from the Bush gang, is now the security adviser for Dropbox hmmm....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 April, 2015, 06:27:13 pm
My phone has in the past been totally unfazed about where it gets its voles from but it whinges about those from my super-duper new USB hub.  Strangely the notoriously fussy fondleslab is quite happy with this new source of anbarism.

Is confused.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 25 April, 2015, 08:58:40 am
Silly bloody Google Streetview has started translating the generic bits of street names, so that e.g. "rue des Mitreuches" now shows up as "Mitreuches St." etc. Minor but daft outcome of bright-eyed bushy-tailed developer wheedawgeeism.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 26 April, 2015, 11:59:55 am
Microsith, you are a pack of splattercrap-covered poomonkeys!  $UPDATE fails to install.  Repeatedly.  And judging from the Microsith Community Forum, I am not alone in this.  Aha! says a Microsith droid.  You need to have installed $OTHER_UPDATE and $OTHER_OTHER_UPDATE first.  The former cannot be found in the update history.  Perhaps I can install this manually?

Why, no!  No, I cannot.  "Page not found".  Your ball, Microsith.

Curiously, it installed fine on the desktop box ???

I too, and having a "you bunch of fuckers" moment at Microsoft, only I'm not feeling as eloquent as you, and can't think of any words which are not obscene.  Why, when I have told you to tell me before updating everything, do you insist on doing updates regardless, and then fail with fatal errors, ;eAVING ME WITH a totally fucked PC?  I am typing this on the laptop, pending committing murder.... 

Have just done a "refresh, ans that seemed to be the only option which might get it working, and I see the desktop has returned, but minus all my desktop shortcuts.  I wonder if its totally buggered... 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 26 April, 2015, 12:09:35 pm
Yes, it is totally buggered.  I have a desktop shortcut which opens to give me a list of "applications removed during refresh"  Why!? Why the fuck have you seen fit to remove all my critical and vital applications, you bunch of utter, utter cunts? No clues as to how to get them back....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 April, 2015, 01:04:28 pm
If yours was the same update issue, someone on the Microsith Community*Forum advised:
Worked for me.

* as in "Care In The"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 April, 2015, 04:23:56 pm
Oi!  Fondleslab!  No!!

Google Maps is not Using My Location, because it isn't running.  So why the twatty banner at the top of the screen taking up the space normally used for navigating to the top of the page, which now doesn't work?

I do not know whether this is the fault of the Chocolate Factory or the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia, nor do I care.  I just want it to go away.

Edit: it has gone away.  Now I have to find something else to get cross about >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 26 April, 2015, 05:24:03 pm
If yours was the same update issue, someone on the Microsith Community*Forum advised:
  • Uninstall KB3045999
  • Do not reboot
  • Install KB3022345
  • Reboot
  • Install KB3045999 again
  • Reboot again
Worked for me.

* as in "Care In The"

Couldn't uninstall the failed update, as it wouldn't boot, whatever I did.  Does it not occur to them to test their updates?  My PC is modern, and fairly high spec, and quite "normal", so should not present any compatability issues.  Microbloodysoft, get yer bleedin' act together!  That's another several days wasted, just reinstalling software, AGAIN.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 26 April, 2015, 05:37:06 pm
Microsoft have shagged the upgrade process so many times with bad patches in the last 18 months that I have stopped applying patches to the home machines.  I take full image backups every week or two so that if something nasty does creep in and totals them (ie something from someone other than M$) it's just a case for reformat/restore and carry on. Well that's the theory.

Work machines are SEP.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 26 April, 2015, 05:48:42 pm
I had a recent issue with a $Microshaft update shagging my sound.   It seems that $Microshaft don't bother to properly test any more and sadly there are folk who think that this is entirely appropriate.  :(  :(  :(

It is prompting me to do updates again...    :-\
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 27 April, 2015, 12:44:41 pm
It's not that folk think it's appropriate for them not to test, I imagine they do but it's impossible to test for an infinite number of combinations of hardware and software.

You might think your pc / laptop is a common configuration in reality it's probably not.  This is where apple wins in some respect they make the hardware and therefore know what combinations are out there.

Microsoft are not alone in this regard, however the enterprise software (Solaris, etc, etc) just restrict the hardware there software will run on. Imagine doing that to a desktop OS people would be hand wringing and moaning, it'd be like the old days all over again.

D.


Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 27 April, 2015, 01:07:26 pm
Well if they haven't tested it on an Asus Z87 motherboard, with an Intel i7 4770k and a Samsung 1TB SSD, then they really haven't tried very hard, have they?  It has absolutely NO additional hardware, cards, etc in it.  From what Mr Larrington says, it appears they just rolled out the updates in the wrong order.  That is just plain incompetence, for which they should pay, EVERY single person who it has cost money.

I'd liken it to me taking the car to the garage, and they tell me it needs a software update (it did, when it was serviced) and when I go to collect it, they tell me that there was a problem with the update, but its OK, they've sorted the update, but in the process they've removed the seats and the wheels, and I'll have to pay to get them refitted, and also find where they have hidden them.

Yes, it a complex business, but if you can't do it competently, don't claim you can, and charge money for it.

By the way, the car software update went just fine.  Luckily it wasn't for the "infotainment" system, which runs Windows CE  :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 27 April, 2015, 01:25:24 pm
By the way, the car software update went just fine.  Luckily it wasn't for the "infotainment" system, which runs Windows CE  :sick: :sick:

That got me wondering, just what the one in mine runs on.

Oh no! I wish I hadn't looked!

Currently CE, but the next generation will use QNX...

Explains everything..
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 27 April, 2015, 02:32:31 pm
Well if they haven't tested it on an Asus Z87 motherboard, with an Intel i7 4770k and a Samsung 1TB SSD, then they really haven't tried very hard, have they?

You've got to be joking.  The number of combinations of chipsets, CPUs and SSDs in use is into the millions.  Even taking the twenty most common ones of each, that'd be 8000 combinations, and possibly yours wouldn't be included.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rafletcher on 27 April, 2015, 02:44:03 pm
Western Digital - I do like your nifty little portable MyPassport. I looked the "quick start" manual. Several pictures and maybe a dozen words. So I googled, and found a 73 page manual.   ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 April, 2015, 03:33:20 pm
See also instructions for the Fondleslab Mini as supplied by the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia: one playing-card sized, er, card, telling you where the "on" switch is.  The User Guide on FruitCo's webby wossname is 164 pages and you have to prove you own a black rollneck jumper before they'll let you access it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Deano on 29 April, 2015, 04:11:31 pm
Grr, programs that keep popping up from the background.

I'm especially looking at you, Lotus Notes. I went to do something else while you were having a think about things, and now you've finally decided to respond with some "look-at-me, pay-attention-to-me" jumping-back-to-the-front antics. Just fuck off until I have to use you again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: rafletcher on 30 April, 2015, 08:20:24 am
Grr, programs that keep popping up from the background.

I'm especially looking at you, Lotus Notes. I went to do something else while you were having a think about things, and now you've finally decided to respond with some "look-at-me, pay-attention-to-me" jumping-back-to-the-front antics. Just fuck off until I have to use you again.

Ah, and Sametime (part of the Notes suite that we have). However at least you can see you're b eing talked to. We're moving to Outlook shortly, so have "Jabber" chat/phone programme. Just lights up a small icon in the tool tray when u get "chatted" to. but pops a big blob up if you're phoned.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 30 April, 2015, 01:34:36 pm
Well if they haven't tested it on an Asus Z87 motherboard, with an Intel i7 4770k and a Samsung 1TB SSD, then they really haven't tried very hard, have they?

You've got to be joking.  The number of combinations of chipsets, CPUs and SSDs in use is into the millions.  Even taking the twenty most common ones of each, that'd be 8000 combinations, and possibly yours wouldn't be included.

I quite imagine testing is done along the basis of what complete machines the big hardware vendors are pushing lots of units of.  So Dell, HP, etc, because they will be sold as certified. As an example HP will send machines to work for us to certify that our software runs on them, we get to keep the machines at the end of it.

If your machine is that mission critical that any downtime will cost you money then why don't you have a duplicate for testing updates, new software before rolling out to production? It's what we do here, nothing much gets into production before rolling though test because the possible millions and millions of combinations pushed out by the silicone mills in China.

Like I said you might think your hardware is common, but it's probably not.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 30 April, 2015, 02:17:16 pm
And even with the most popular complete PCs, the hardware can vary even when the model number stays the same.  Completely different CPUs have been supplied with this model of laptop I'm on now, for example (AMD and Intel).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 01 May, 2015, 06:24:04 pm
Stop me if you've heard this one before, Microsoft....

No, but seriously.  Another in the intermittent, "TFS is a pox-ridden pile of shite" series of posts.

We've got this intranet site and we wanted to display some data from TFS all pretty like on it.  A few hours and not very much swearing later it's all hunky-dory on my machine.  Click hyperlink get pretty TFS "report". Sooo publish to server and we're done yeah?   Ha ha, bloody ha.  No.  The site crashes and burns. Won't even load the home page.

To summarise:
1 - The TFS foundation DLLs are so heavily interdependent upon one another you have to install _all_ of them, not just the ones directly referenced by your project(s) on the web server.

2 - Microsoft screwed up an update a year or so ago so that instead of copying the updated DLLs to both the GAC and the directory holding the reference assemblies the updated DLLs only made it into the GAC.  No I don't know how or why they did that.  Now this means that even if you twig point 1 dumping what you think are a kosher set of DLLs on the server is no earthly use whatsoever.  You just get missing method exceptions when you try to walk collections of some TFS types.

And best of all...

3 - The TFS DLLs force your site to be run from a 32bit application pool.  If you don't configure it thusly your 64bit IIS running the intranet site won't even load the home page. It'll just blow up at start when it tries to load the 32 bit TFS DLLs.

God but I _hate_ TFS and I'm still a bit narked that we're faffing around with a 32/64 bit mix.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 01 May, 2015, 08:34:00 pm
Boeing 787. The generators shut down after 248 days from being turned on. 2^31 centiseconds is around 248 days. There are 4 redundant generators which if turned on together will all fail together. Epic fail.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hellymedic on 01 May, 2015, 11:24:13 pm
I CAN'T OPEN GOOGLE MAPS! Too many redirects, apparently.
This is a new level of mischief which I DO NOT LIKE!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 May, 2015, 01:14:33 pm
Robocopy, with this semaphore timeout expired nonsense you are annoying us!  It's not as if that machine is being thrashed >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 05 May, 2015, 01:50:21 pm
ME!

When you need to reboot a VM, that is at the other end of a TS link, DO NOT REBOOT THE TS Server....

You would think I had learnt that one by now, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 05 May, 2015, 03:01:11 pm
Hmm backup ran over night just fine, but some how is about 100Gb bigger than the host. Fine for main backup drive but not for secondary backup drive. For the life of me where are the extra files ... ?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 05 May, 2015, 03:50:04 pm
Hmm backup ran over night just fine, but some how is about 100Gb bigger than the host. Fine for main backup drive but not for secondary backup drive. For the life of me where are the extra files ... ?

100Gb?

*how* much porn?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 05 May, 2015, 05:04:22 pm
:)

Somehow folders has been duplicate within other folders. Wierdly there isn't any pattern and it is rather random so it could not be a slip of the old muse or Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 05 May, 2015, 05:13:01 pm
:)

Somehow folders has been duplicate within other folders. Wierdly there isn't any pattern and it is rather random so it could not be a slip of the old muse or Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v.

Some type of symbolic link that the backup software is following ?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 06 May, 2015, 10:46:18 pm
I have a microsoff lumia phone...now can win 8.1 or win 7 or win 10 see the phone to copy photos off?

So I create a one account on the new win10 install machine to share the photos off the phone, guess what phone can't access the sccount as it does not exist.  All the operating systems can see the android phone and the apple thing.

Search comes up with little.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 May, 2015, 08:50:29 am
If yours was the same update issue, someone on the Microsith Community*Forum advised:
  • Uninstall KB3045999
  • Do not reboot
  • Install KB3022345
  • Reboot
  • Install KB3045999 again
  • Reboot again
Worked for me.

* as in "Care In The"

Couldn't uninstall the failed update, as it wouldn't boot, whatever I did.  Does it not occur to them to test their updates?  My PC is modern, and fairly high spec, and quite "normal", so should not present any compatability issues.  Microbloodysoft, get yer bleedin' act together!  That's another several days wasted, just reinstalling software, AGAIN.

You may want to be on the lookout for the New!  IMPROVED!! release of KB3022345, then, as in order to install this you first need to remove the previous version of said update (iffen you managed to get the bloody thing to install in the first place).  With all the restarting and similar twattery that this requires.  Someone at Microsith wants badly to have their cobblers deep-fried over this one, the massive wankhammers.

Also, Windows has turned the "View Installed Updates" wossname into a listing such as one might have for music files.  Unsurprisingly, it does not tell you the album title, genre or contributing artists for Windows updates ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 07 May, 2015, 09:03:19 pm
Oh wow. TFS.  Again.  _Another_ overwritten/lost change.  One is almost bereft of words.  What a terrifyingly unreliable bucket of foetid pus it is.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 May, 2015, 10:12:53 am
Oh wow. TFS.  Again.  _Another_ overwritten/lost change.  One is almost bereft of words.  What a terrifyingly unreliable bucket of foetid pus it is.

I might just point my current client in your direction (you are, IIRC, not that far from us)

First they got MS in to organise a POC with TFS and Dynamics.

MS said "for a POC, use Azure"

We said "OK"

MS said "Hang on, Dynamics doesn't play nicely with Azure"

We said "OK, lets stick it on out vSphere"

"OK" said MS "Here is our document on what we will provide etc"

That gave us all a great laugh, especially the wide spread use of "Envisioning"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 May, 2015, 02:00:09 pm
POC?
Pile of Cr*p?


I believe back here TFS was phased in and very quickly phased out again, before my tenure.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 May, 2015, 02:12:07 pm
POC?
Pile of Cr*p?


I believe back here TFS was phased in and very quickly phased out again, before my tenure.

Sorry, too long doing the consultant bit (and so chock full of TLAs), POC = Proof of Concept
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 08 May, 2015, 04:46:12 pm
Lumia phones only work with certain cables.....no one metioned that.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 10 May, 2015, 09:54:53 am
Apple, no I haven't put the latest OSX on my laptop as a) for the past few months I've been pretty busy and breaking things wouldn't have been clever and b) you're pretty good at removing things I like in upgrades lately.

So, today I try and install something new (spark-cli) and it needs XCode to install. I get error messages that lead me to "Xcode licence problems, try opening it and accepting the licence". I try and open Xcode (not a tool I use normally, its just there). You've upgraded it for me. Why, than you. To a version that doesn't work on my OS version! Numbskulls!

Luckily I've already got a developer account of some sort (can't for the life of me remember why) and now I'm downloading 2 and a bit GB of old version software. I suppose I could upgrade the OS, but now I'm feeling belligerent.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 10 May, 2015, 10:47:51 am
:)

Somehow folders has been duplicate within other folders. Wierdly there isn't any pattern and it is rather random so it could not be a slip of the old muse or Ctrl+c and Ctrl+v.

Some type of symbolic link that the backup software is following ?

I think it is a slip of fingers and a random / that caused it and I have forgotten or not spotted it when I ran backup before. Still haven't got my head around linux paths - random/folder/path or random/folder/path/ . Some GUI programs and other terminal path tend to use the / differently, or is it me who don't get it :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 10 May, 2015, 04:08:38 pm
random/folder/path may refer to a directory called 'path', or it may refer to a file called 'path', either of which lives in 'folder'.  It's ambiguous, and required a look at the contents of folder to determine whether 'path' is a file or sub-folder.

random/folder/path/ is unambiguously a directory.

This can give rise to unexpected results, unless you know what's going on.
For example:

mv myfile   /archive/mystuff

what does that do?
It can do one of 2 things.
It can move 'myfile' into the 'mystuff' subdirectory ( **if it exists** ).
What if it doesn't exist? You mis-remembered the directory name, and it was actually 'MyStuff'.   What happens then?
It sees there is no directory called 'mystuff', so it assumes you want to move 'myfile' into the '/archive' directory, and **re-name it as 'mystuff' along the way**.
Now you go looking for your archive of 'myfile', and it's not there!
Wail! The computer ate you file!

It's best to avoid the ambiguity by explicitly specifying the destination is a directory:

mv myfile   /archive/mystuff/

That can only mean 1 thing.
And if the 'mystuff' directory does not exist, you will get an error.
It will not interpret it as a name-change of the file.


As an aside, your examples are 'relative path names', in that they don't start from root (/ ), they start from where you are right now, the Present Working Directory.

'/etc/hosts' for example, is an absolute pathname, because it gives the full path starting from root.

Again, you can use relative pathnames for simplicity, but absolute pathnames to avoid possible ambiguities.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 May, 2015, 05:24:18 pm
Windows, WTF is all that crap you've dumped in the top-level directory of my desktop's HDD?  Just stop it, fucknuckle.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 11 May, 2015, 12:49:40 pm
I have just noticed* that Last.FM have become lazy, cheapskate bas*****.

They used to provide a service that was audio only, the audio was hosted on their servers, and was very good.

Now all they provide is an algorithm that serves up YouTube videos, with the (to me) obvious drop in sound quality**.  Also the algorithm is decidedly worse than it used to be, repeating artists (and even songs) within minutes, whereas it used to take a couple of hours at least before you heard the same artist again.

I don't want bloody videos, I just want music, ok?

*Yes, it has been a long time since I used the service.
**Yes, I know, internet radio and sound quality do not mix, but I hope you get where I am coming from.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 12 May, 2015, 09:40:54 am
...and today's idiot target is: Google Play Store.

Now I wondered just why my data usage was going through the roof.

Turns out that the settings I had in Play Store had been ignored (only update over Wifi).  Google, in their infinite wisdom decided that, actually, I wanted to auto update anywhere, anytime!

Thanks a fucking lot, you muppets!  At least I noticed before I got stung for extra data charges.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 12 May, 2015, 12:26:06 pm
And for the opposite - iPlayer. I've set the settings to say yes to mobile data. I'm well aware that I "may incur data charges", but I also know that I've got unlimited data with the package. So don't randomly interrupt radio programmes to keep warning me. Once is more than sufficient.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 12 May, 2015, 12:49:54 pm
Spammers, stop getting sneaky.

Just got an email purporting to be from 123-reg.co.uk.  IT has a .doc attached, claiming to be a bill.

I "own" 3 domains (sorry bobb, one of them is a "theXXXXXX.org.uk" address).

I thought to myself "is it for real?" then had to think hard to realise that 1) none of my domains are due for renewal (August and November are the dates) 2) I use 1&1, not 123-reg and, finally, 3) the bills arrive as PDFs and a suggestion that I go to the admin panel to check everything is ok.

A quick squint at the message headers show the email originating from a .tc adsl address...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 12 May, 2015, 01:01:17 pm
Ah, I have one of those, hadn't got as far as verifying it for authenticity and checking with Kim/real Pc when my domains were due for renewal.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 May, 2015, 01:10:35 pm
I just had one of them as well.  Had me fooled to start with but rang the alarm bells as it didn't contain the word "Larrington".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 12 May, 2015, 01:12:58 pm
As I mentioned above, this was the final give away (last line of SMTP trail)

Received: from 65-255-51-142-static.dsl.tciway.tc ([65.255.51.142]) by
     mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id
     0LeDb3-1ZYbp93Yon-00qBiu for <XXXX-Tiermat's-RL-Email>; Tue, 12 May 2015
     13:43:06 +0200
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 12 May, 2015, 02:11:01 pm
Have you all got 123-reg domains? Sounds like a possible data breach ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 12 May, 2015, 02:13:57 pm
Ah, I have one of those, hadn't got as far as verifying it for authenticity and checking with Kim/real Pc when my domains were due for renewal.

Your domains are registered under my account, for ease of DNS-jibbling, so if you're getting emails they're spam.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 12 May, 2015, 02:16:39 pm
.doc files are viewable in Google docs, which won't run any included macros.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 May, 2015, 02:19:25 pm
Have you all got 123-reg domains? Sounds like a possible data breach ...

Mine's done through Heart Internet but Dog knows whether they're just an intermediary in the process or not.  But Babbage-Post concerning that goes to a different address from the one which received the dodgy message ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 12 May, 2015, 02:55:16 pm
Spammers, stop getting sneaky.

Just got an email purporting to be from 123-reg.co.uk.  IT has a .doc attached, claiming to be a bill.

I've had plenty of those today. .doc rather than PDF? Run a mile, so to speak.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: bikesdontfloat on 13 May, 2015, 12:18:46 am
Why don't the spammers rein themselves in a little?  When you have 5 or 6 emails at a time, all purporting to come from 123-reg, it looks well dodgy from the off.  You would have thought that dialing it back a little would be more convincing.  We must have had 30 or so today just between 2 email addresses at work today.

Though looking thinking about it there must be folk out there like Kim who have muliple sites registered - though you would hope that these would be the least likely sort of people to fall for something like this.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 13 May, 2015, 12:22:17 am
And ironically, I haven't had any 123-reg spam.

Correction:  I have, but spamassassin caught it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 13 May, 2015, 11:56:46 am
Ah, I have one of those, hadn't got as far as verifying it for authenticity and checking with Kim/real Pc when my domains were due for renewal.

Your domains are registered under my account, for ease of DNS-jibbling, so if you're getting emails they're spam.

I had sort of assumed that but I was reading emails while waiting for Helldesk to sort our remote access to $Database so had merely filed as "ask Kim later" cos I couldn't remember whether you had my domain or not... Then your comment reminded me that it's cos I trust you not to hijack my domains if we ever split up. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 13 May, 2015, 12:13:50 pm
Oh look, mac white screen of deth. joy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 13 May, 2015, 02:44:13 pm
Why don't the spammers rein themselves in a little?  When you have 5 or 6 emails at a time, all purporting to come from 123-reg, it looks well dodgy from the off.  You would have thought that dialing it back a little would be more convincing.  We must have had 30 or so today just between 2 email addresses at work today.

Though looking thinking about it there must be folk out there like Kim who have muliple sites registered - though you would hope that these would be the least likely sort of people to fall for something like this.

I suspect multiple spammers are using the technique, probably running bots on compromised hosts which have no/minimal command and control.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 May, 2015, 01:53:25 pm
Congratulations! are! due! to! the! Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! You really have fucking excelled yourselves this time.  You have fucked flickr so badly that ["simile removed on the advice of our lawyers" - Ed.]

Point 4 is the biggie.  A major fucking issue.  A cockup that renders flickr Not Fit For Purpose.  And there is a major drawback with the workaround suggested by one of your gnomes, which is this: IT DOESN'T TWATTING WORK >:(

Schlimbesserung doesn't even begin to cover it; there'd have to be some scheiße thrown in for starters.  And you put the link to the help pages right at the bottom so after having waited for a fortnight to get there, the page starts loading more thumbnails and the link flies south like a coconutless swallow.  I suspect this is deliberate, to stop people like me from complaining about it in public.

Tw@s.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 May, 2015, 04:12:47 pm
It gets worse.  Apparently their asinine auto-tagging SCIENCE cleverly categorises pictures of the liberation of Auschwitz as "team sports" :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 14 May, 2015, 07:55:20 pm
Congratulations! are! due! to! the! Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! You really have fucking excelled yourselves this time.  You have fucked flickr so badly that ["simile removed on the advice of our lawyers" - Ed.]
  • I don't want to change my password either.  This is a generic failing of the Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia! but I thought I'd mention it.

I have found the following works for Oohay! anbaric post.

And lo! You will be able to send and receive anbaric post.  Whether or not this will work for Flickr is another matter, but it might be worth a try.

A useful side effect of switching off javascript is that you aren't constantly tripped up by Oohay!'s constant tinkering with the anbaric post UI as the version sans scripting is left well alone.  This may not be the case with Flickr, but there's nothing to lose by trying.  As far as the anbaric post goes you do have to switch scripting back on to attach files these days, but as it's a rare day when I send files to anyone it doesn't inconvenience me overmuch.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 May, 2015, 12:16:36 am
I tend only to use the Mega!-Global! Exclamation! Mark! Corporation! of! Sunnyvale!, USAnia!'s Babbage-Post with Thunderbird so am not getting constantly prompted to change my password but it's still a Massive Fucking Annoyance when I do have to use their stinky web interface, which keeps changing and looks shit.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 15 May, 2015, 10:54:19 am
You'd think by now I'd haven't learned this basic IT tenet - if you get something working, DON'T FUCKING TOUCH IT EVER AGAIN!

Sigh...

XUbuntu worked great on my laptop, but I was tempted into straying from the path of righteousness by the promise of Eye Candy from KUbuntu.

What a shocking heap of turd that is. Sure - looks great - doesn't fucking work. Chrome browser - tab and menu fonts are fucking HUGE, and bear no resemblance to the fonts in the rest of the system. Come on Linux Distro folks - how can you STILL be having font issues after all these years, and all those chances to just Get It Right?

Also - hear that? That's the system fan running flat out. That never happened on XUbuntu. You're just sitting there with an empty desktop and the machine is being thrashed? I can see my battery lasting about 20 minutes.

Also - turns out, KUbuntu doesn't ship build-essentials by default. What. The. Fuck? This is LINUX FFS - no build-essentials? Would you ship a car without an engine?

Fine. I'll do it myself.

> sudo apt-get install build-essentials

"Please insert /media/cdrom0"

Oh come on! You retarded fuck - this machine doesn't HAVE a cdrom, nor a dvd drive - you were installed from a USB stick.

* Gives up *

It's enough to make you run Windows.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 May, 2015, 11:16:46 am
That is one thing I miss about windows, even after years not using it I can find stuff. And no matter what program I have used on windows I have had no issues with the font or GUI (might be ugly but it works).

Every distro I have tried the design, lay out, name of setting/option/etc are all just different and look a bit dated. Windows and iOS looks good and is consistent throughout.

Why Ubuntu and all its flavours can't put their heads together and come up with some guidelines, I do not know. Yes I know it is all open source, GNU and all that jazz but to help the development and expansion of linux it would be great if there was some similarity and guides.

Linux is still a tinkers OS, which I do like to do with my computers. Ubuntu and Debian is getting close to the install - give it a name, user name and enter WiFi details - and forget. I was very surprised how fast and easy it was to install win 8.1 (if you ignore all the junk that the hardware vendors like to add and all the nag screens) when I tried about a year ago.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 15 May, 2015, 11:41:03 am
That is one thing I miss about windows, even after years not using it I can find stuff. And no matter what program I have used on windows I have had no issues with the font or GUI (might be ugly but it works).

That was certainly true until win8  :sick:

Linux is still a tinkers OS

It allows you to if you want, but it's not necessary. That's one of its strengths.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 May, 2015, 11:57:28 am
That is one thing I miss about windows, even after years not using it I can find stuff. And no matter what program I have used on windows I have had no issues with the font or GUI (might be ugly but it works).

That was certainly true until win8  :sick:

While it is true that the Fisher-Price "Start Screen" nonsense is an hateful thing, it is mostly easily fixed.  Microsith still insist on hiding some Stuffs where Control Panel can't find it, though, the bowl of dicks.

Linux is still a tinkers OS

It allows you to if you want, but it's not necessary. That's one of its strengths.

ITYM tinkerers' OS, unless it really does appeal to itinerant kettle-fettlers ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 15 May, 2015, 11:58:36 am
That is one thing I miss about windows, even after years not using it I can find stuff. And no matter what program I have used on windows I have had no issues with the font or GUI (might be ugly but it works).

That was certainly true until win8  :sick:

Linux is still a tinkers OS

It allows you to if you want, but it's not necessary. That's one of its strengths.
Oh yes I'm knocking it, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 15 May, 2015, 12:01:28 pm
Kubuntu has always been the scrappiest Ubuntu spin. SUSE is the best distro if you want KDE or Arch for a pure unmodified KDE but with Arch there is lots of fiddling to get it setup right with non KDE apps (and just to get the system running).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 15 May, 2015, 06:36:20 pm

  • Switch off javascript.  I normally work this way anyway.


Srsly? Does anything work on the the internet nowadays without javascript?

And:
 (b) why?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 18 May, 2015, 04:52:59 pm
Microsoft, your 'about a minute' was, in fact, 37 precious earthling minutes. Which means I'm starting to write my exciting document about 40 minutes after I'd foolishly clicked OK to the Office update (which after 3 minutes of urgent scurrying decided to run some 'package scripts' in 'about a minute').

I suggest you might want to sue Southern Trains as they seem to have stolen your concept of the 'long minute.'
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 27 May, 2015, 10:08:37 am
Mapped network drives. You know what, we have loads of them here, and everyone's mapped them to different letters (and sometimes mapped letters to subfolders of the server).

Please stop sending links to your favourite drive letter which bears no resemblance to anything I or most of the rest of us have. I've shown you what the full address looks like and how to quote it so everyone can access it in one go, but you're too lazy or stupid* to change.

*Actually with this cow orker, probably both
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 27 May, 2015, 11:36:26 am

  • Switch off javascript.  I normally work this way anyway.


Srsly? Does anything work on the the internet nowadays without javascript?

And:
 (b) why?

Add exceptions for the websites you trust.
Lots of browser based exploits require javascript.

I also have my browsers configured to disable plugins until they are explicitly allowed. It's easy to enable them with a couple of clicks.

I also have third party cookies disabled, for privacy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 27 May, 2015, 12:54:23 pm
McShroom I have this debate with my colleagues all the time "The drive letter is just made up on your computer" "It ostensibly set us all up the same but..." "Here gimme the mouse..."...

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 27 May, 2015, 01:23:02 pm

Add exceptions for the websites you trust.
Lots of browser based exploits require javascript.


All these vulnerabilities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#Security_and_vulnerabilities)?

Quote
I also have my browsers configured to disable plugins until they are explicitly allowed. It's easy to enable them with a couple of clicks.

I also have third party cookies disabled, for privacy.

That's fair enough, but JavaScript hasn't been a problem for many, many years. It was never much of a problem in the first place. Java, on the other hand... 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 27 May, 2015, 01:57:44 pm
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/26179/why-do-people-disable-javascript

My major concern is being logged into a website that is vulnerable to a cross site scripting attack whilst I then have the miss-fortune to visit a malicious website.
I also to be in control of the information I'll make available to a website and it's developers/administrators. Keeping my browser locked down helps in some way towards this.

There's only a handful of sites I visit on a regular basis and I find white listing them is not a huge inconvenience. It takes two clicks.

Overall it improves the browsing experience on my underpowered but nicely portable laptop and I seldom see any rogue warnings that my version of Flash Player/Java etc. are out of date.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 28 May, 2015, 11:22:21 am
McShroom I have this debate with my colleagues all the time "The drive letter is just made up on your computer" "It ostensibly set us all up the same but..." "Here gimme the mouse..."...


Oh yes. Especially when they decide to be helpful and attach a shortcut to the file on thier mapped drive rather than a text link that can at least be immediately edited.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 28 May, 2015, 09:07:05 pm
I've had to deal with websites where image links are to "C:/my photos..", and the site admin insists 'it works OK on my PC...."
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 June, 2015, 03:22:27 pm
IF you need to shut down a VM, check that the console for that VM is still on that VM, and NOT logged into the laptop that you are running the VM on.

Doing so will ensure that, when you issue a "shutdown -h now" the VM will shutdown, not your bloody laptop!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 08 June, 2015, 04:42:06 pm
Oh I have done that, dead sure the terminal window was the remote laptop, but ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 08 June, 2015, 07:15:45 pm
That's not so bad. Compare to -h instead of -r on the build server. Quick call to the help desk:

- Can someone please press the power button on ASDFSA123123?
- Where is it?
- Err, we don't know
- Sorry, neither do we!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 08 June, 2015, 07:18:38 pm
That's not so bad. Compare to -h instead of -r on the build server. Quick call to the help desk:

- Can someone please press the power button on ASDFSA123123?
- Where is it?
- Err, we don't know
- Sorry, neither do we!

Done that one, too, at a job where the server could be a) in the server room next to the IT dept OR b) in the backup DC, 100's of Km away or c) on an oil rig, somewhere in the North Sea.

Fortunately, that time, the answer, once I found the floor plan and rack layout diagram, was a) !!!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kevina9 on 09 June, 2015, 12:22:59 am
Robocopy, with this semaphore timeout expired nonsense you are annoying us!  It's not as if that machine is being thrashed >:(

A tad late this reply, nor been keeping up with this board, but here goes anyway...

Robocopy never generates any error codes of its own, it only ever reports the errors returned to it by Windows. This particular error usually bubbles up from somewhere deep in the depths of the TCPIP network stack, and usually means that a timeout occurred waiting for a response to some network IO. In other words, it is usually caused by network problems. You may need to sniff your network and do some troubleshooting to find the root cause of the network timeouts.
HTH, Cheers,
Kev (original author of Robocopy...)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 June, 2015, 12:54:42 pm
Whatever was causing it seems to have gone now :)  One day I'll draw a line under the Babbage setup at Larrington Towers and say "yes, it's right now", probably the day after Stan goes to work on ice skates.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 10 June, 2015, 10:44:23 am
You know its going to be a bad day when you start off with a BSOD, which then progresses to just plain DETH under the tender touch of a site engineer.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 10 June, 2015, 11:59:33 am
Google Play Store.  If I have "Auto Update" set to "Over Wifi Only" might it not be nice of you to remind me that the update I am about to do will be done over the magic of GPRS, so charges may be incurrerd? You know, like you used to do?  Instead you just merily download and install over 200M of updates without a grumble...

That means I only have about 200M to last me the rest of the month! Bugger!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 June, 2015, 05:57:17 pm
Why, Microsith, when so many Windows boxen come with their HDDs ready-partitioned so as to simplify the separation of System Stuffs and data, do you insist on bunging a metric fuckton of the latter on the system disk by default?  Concerned by the rate at which free space on the desktop's SSD was disappearing, I did some prodding and have relocated more than twenty GB of data to its rightful home on the electromechanical wossname.

Cockwombles.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TPMB12 on 22 June, 2015, 08:52:39 am
Android developers please explain why you keep updating almost every week? Can you please schedule updates to happen less frequently? I am sick of getting update warnings only to see I have another 30 updates to install when all they are doing is adding minor improvements to the appearance and the ubiquitous "Bug fixes!"

Can I just say I now have 43 updates to install and only 24 are up to date!!! I feel a cull of apps that keep asking for updates. What is the best android browser as chrome is getting on my **** asking for an update every week.

Also, why did google split one play app into a load of other ones such as music, newsstand, etc.? Each one now needs updating.

Do you know what, I feel windows phone might be worth considering come update time in october. Is windows phone better or worse for updates?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 22 June, 2015, 09:38:51 am
Sounds like you have a lot of apps installed.

You can configure Google Play so that apps are automatically updated on a WiFi connection.

I'd rather apps were updated little and often - it's good development practice as it means lots of small changes, thus big bang changes that are more likely to break things are much rarer. It also means that when bugs are introduced, fast feedback loops ensure they are quickly identified and resolved instead of app users having to live with them for extended periods of time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: fuaran on 22 June, 2015, 11:18:48 am
In Google Play, you can turn off auto-update, and you can turn off notifications for updates. Then you won't actually see if updates are available, unless you open the Google Play app, and check "My Apps".
That's what I do, then I only choose to update the apps I care about - preferably after checking what is actually changed.

Also, if its apps you never use, then uninstall or disable them. eg I have disabled Google Play Newsstand, because I never use it, so it won't be listed in the apps with updates available.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Morat on 25 June, 2015, 05:14:32 pm
Mapped network drives. You know what, we have loads of them here, and everyone's mapped them to different letters (and sometimes mapped letters to subfolders of the server).

Please stop sending links to your favourite drive letter which bears no resemblance to anything I or most of the rest of us have. I've shown you what the full address looks like and how to quote it so everyone can access it in one go, but you're too lazy or stupid* to change.

*Actually with this cow orker, probably both

Windows domain? You should have a look at this https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj127250.aspx
it's actually pretty easy to set up for a domain admin.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 June, 2015, 09:00:56 am
Power-fucking-point, you piece of execrable shit hanging off the arsehole of the universe, I chose those colours for a reason. Why change them to some vaguely similar looking colours that look like they've come from the palette of worrisome intestinal ailments?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 26 June, 2015, 10:22:14 am
Mapped network drives. You know what, we have loads of them here, and everyone's mapped them to different letters (and sometimes mapped letters to subfolders of the server).

Please stop sending links to your favourite drive letter which bears no resemblance to anything I or most of the rest of us have. I've shown you what the full address looks like and how to quote it so everyone can access it in one go, but you're too lazy or stupid* to change.

*Actually with this cow orker, probably both

Windows domain? You should have a look at this https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj127250.aspx
it's actually pretty easy to set up for a domain admin.

It would be, except for the complexity of a server system set up to cover 12,000 users and, more importantly, the fact that our IT support is subcontracted to ATOS.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 26 June, 2015, 10:33:13 am
Funny. I had a call from someone looking to arrange some photography for ATOS a few days ago.

Anyway, Microsh4ft - why make it next to impossible to programatically remove the default icons you pin to the task bar in Windows 8.1 / Server 2012 r2? I want to display them just the taskbar items they are only ever likely to use as they've got not interest in Server Manager or PowerShell.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Morat on 26 June, 2015, 01:37:13 pm
Mapped network drives. You know what, we have loads of them here, and everyone's mapped them to different letters (and sometimes mapped letters to subfolders of the server).

Please stop sending links to your favourite drive letter which bears no resemblance to anything I or most of the rest of us have. I've shown you what the full address looks like and how to quote it so everyone can access it in one go, but you're too lazy or stupid* to change.

*Actually with this cow orker, probably both

Windows domain? You should have a look at this https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj127250.aspx
it's actually pretty easy to set up for a domain admin.

It would be, except for the complexity of a server system set up to cover 12,000 users and, more importantly, the fact that our IT support is subcontracted to ATOS.

EWw, sounds like ATOS are sleeping on their contract if you need/allow mapped drives to help users find their data. Best of luck!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 June, 2015, 07:17:06 pm
I think I can say that after four hours of trying to use Powerpoint that I've used a lot of bad language. All of it, in fact. Big fucking shit pile.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 29 June, 2015, 03:00:42 pm
Oh Microsoft.

Code: [Select]
        $windowsOSVersion=([string][System.Environment]::OSVersion.Version).Substring(0,3)
        Switch ($windowsOSVersion) {
            "6.0" {return "2008"}
            "6.3" {return "2012r2"}
        }

Returns OS version 6.2.92 on a clean unpatched install of Win Server 2k12 r2. Which everyone knows is 6.3x.
I'm tired of dealing with your shaftware that does work but not quite. Please get your shiz together.

PS. Workaround, use WMI:

Code: [Select]
$windowsOSVersion=((Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_OperatingSystem).Version).Substring(0,3)

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 July, 2015, 12:27:31 pm
Dear The AA,

It is 2015 and yet not only can I not renew my membership online, I cannot even check my membership status on your crappy goes-round-in-circles webshite.

Get with the program, cavemen!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 02 July, 2015, 08:07:41 am
Its easy to work out what your renewal premium is with the AA, its at least twice what it was last year....

I've never actually renewed with them due to this problem, so I've never actually tested if it works....

Not a lot of help, I know.

It can't be as hopeless as ATMB (the French motorway toll folk) are with their online systems.  I subscribed, had an illegal French transactino within seconds, the bank stopped my card, I told them their website was insecure,and I'd had to get a new card, and I'd give themthe details as soons I got it.  They tried totake payment while I had no card, and applied a "penalty charge" for non-payment, and told me this several weeks later, by real old fashioned paper letter (in French contractual language).  I wrote back and told them that the only reason the payment was not made was that their website was insecure, and that I had now changed my card details and had an email form them acknowledging that fact. I then got another letter saying I had to pay a penalty charge, completely ignoring the contents of the previous letter. 

I then got my French mate Pascal to phone them up and have a French contractual argument with them in French, the upshot of which is that he had to send them a cheque for the subscription as their system is totally incapable of making a second attempt at taking the payment froma different card number....  So I still don't know if the toll barriers will open for us next Friday afternoon...  (and no, we're not going via Calais!)  Oh, and anyone else fancying getting an electronic tag, don't be fooled by their apparently English speaking website.  As soon as you get to making a payment, it reverts to French!  I can manage food, drink and accomodation in France, but contractual stuff is way beyond me. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 03 July, 2015, 09:42:08 am
Dear Mothership IT subdecks

If we have a ongoing problem with the VPN, why not fucking put up an announcement on, you know, the system you have for such announcements?

Oh yes, you're IBM.

Fuckchucklers.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 03 July, 2015, 12:39:10 pm
Dear Mothership IT subdecks

If we have a ongoing problem with the VPN, why not fucking put up an announcement on, you know, the system you have for such announcements?

Oh yes, you're IBM.

Fuckchucklers.

Chances are that under the covers that's AT&T - they're just like IBM but without the smooth and speedy processes.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2015, 06:08:34 pm
IBM is short for "It's b0rked, mate" as any fule kno.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 03 July, 2015, 06:41:52 pm
(Inferior | Inadequate) But Marketable
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 03 July, 2015, 07:21:30 pm
"I Bought Macintosh"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 03 July, 2015, 10:33:53 pm
International Biscuit Maker

(IBM have a bot on their chat system that expands acronyms, this was actually one of the options given for IBM, at some stage over recent years that has been removed)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Eccentrica Gallumbits on 06 July, 2015, 12:40:53 pm
Took my laptop to computer hospital this morning and it needs a new hard drive. Shitandfuckanddamnandblast.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 08 July, 2015, 08:38:13 am
Posture Assessment Failed: Hostscan CSD prelogin verification failed.

That's helpful, Cisco.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 08 July, 2015, 08:45:24 am
Posture Assessment Failed: Hostscan CSD prelogin verification failed.

That's helpful, Cisco.

Posture Assesssment Failed means that something on your PC didn't comply with the standards set by your IT department for secure access to the mothership.
Possibly out of date anti virus or firewall off or missing etc. It can even tell what patch levels you are running dependant on how they set it up. Basically it scans your PC to make sure it meets a set of standards before letting you logon.

They should have documented your companies re-mediation system for when this happens. Usually you have to either get connected to a sandpit area that lets you get updated or take your laptop in and get them to manually update it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 08 July, 2015, 09:03:36 am
It's the ongoing problem that's plagued us for a week now – the one our IBM support minions classed as an 'email issue' despite the fact I can read my bloody email on an iPad. It comes and goes. You have no idea how many times I've typed my password over the last week.

Anyway, it's not a helpful error message for an end user. It's 2015, perhaps they could encode some wisdom in such message. Like 'it's fucked, probably will be for a week and then we'll say we've fixed it, but we won't have.'
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 08 July, 2015, 09:16:02 am
I don't do much with Cisco client VPN stuff these days but I am pretty sure you can customise the whole thing with whatever messages you want and your own corporate logo etc. Its all XML.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Deano on 08 July, 2015, 08:02:57 pm
Workmate accidentally deleted all his emails :facepalm:

Emails to the helldesk ensured, and after some investigation, the reply was that backups aren't available for June.

Workmate whinged to TL, who said "well, it's a learning experience, isn't it". Further whinging emails elicited the following reply:

"We know that backups are 100% full proof".

I'm not sure if it was the uselessness of the reply which annoyed him most, or the illiteracy.

(Remind me to back up my emails tomorrow).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 08 July, 2015, 09:55:04 pm
"We know that backups are 100% full proof".

I'm not sure if it was the uselessness of the reply which annoyed him most, or the illiteracy.

It's not illiteracy.  It means the backups are being made to /dev/null (a well-known technique for making them run faster).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Deano on 08 July, 2015, 10:34:07 pm
:)

There's no accounting for someone deleting everything, really. And I'm not that surprised, since this is the same lot that had to scour ebay for replacement parts for their antique servers. One of the senior IT bods was cooing over the bits in the basement, which took him right back to his 70s youth.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 09 July, 2015, 08:43:49 am
70s?

You running a mainframe? :o
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 July, 2015, 11:20:47 am
Posture Assessment Failed: Hostscan CSD prelogin verification failed.

That's helpful, Cisco.

Translation: Sit up straight, man!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 July, 2015, 12:22:37 pm
Excel, yea and verily thou art the Spawn of Stan!

Select a bunch of cells all in the same column.  I just want to sort them into alphabetical order but because there is data in a cell in the same postcode the Babbage-Engine emits a vulgar noise and asks me whether I want to expand the current selection (the default) or continue with what I've got.  If I had wanted to include column A in the sort of Stuffs in column B I would have selected column A as well, but if there's an option to "Turn off sort-based nagging for non-terminally-feebleminded users" I can't find it.

Still, because I want to apply the same sort to bits of column D I can use <CONTROL-Y> to repeat the process, right?

Can I fuck!

It's bad enough that current Microsith software has a look and feel borrowed from the Early Learning Centre but when they start throwing away keyboard shortcuts which have been engrained in my memory-branes for a quarter of a century it's time to send the BEAR round for lunch.  I shall be passing through Sea-Tac in September and may have to initiate some ursine ultra-violence.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 23 July, 2015, 11:03:33 am
Arrggh after two years and many restarts of the router, it figured out that it was time to give all my connected items new IPs.

Not a big problem but I got used to the old numbers for the connected items. Time to change the DHCP setting...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 23 July, 2015, 04:32:27 pm
Not a big problem but I got used to the old numbers for the connected items.

This is what DNS is for.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 23 July, 2015, 04:34:33 pm
Not a big problem but I got used to the old numbers for the connected items.

This is what DNS is for.
Yeah I know, but I'm lazy and it kept the IP's happy since I plugged it in the first time until now :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 August, 2015, 11:59:49 am
To the DVSA1

Your "The Official DVSA Guide To Hazard Perception" is this: shit.
If the test itself is down to this standard then I am fuck-ed.

1: I originally mistyped this as "DVDA", which you should probably not Google if others are present, however appropriate the typo was.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 08 August, 2015, 02:47:58 pm
When I did it the babbage-engines were at least somebody else's problem, and the test was easily passed by guessing the frequency of clicks that would constitute cheating, and making sure that you stayed somewhat under it, while not being completely oblivious to the road scene being presented.  TBH, anyone who's been successfully using the roads for a while ought to be able to pass it easily, either through a rudimentary ability to anticipate hazards, or a sufficiently high level of luck.

The practice test was a VHS tape, so the level of feedback was broadly similar to the current arrangement.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 August, 2015, 08:01:13 pm
They didn't have all this new-fangled theory Stuffs thirty years ago, but nowadays the DVSA will flog you a DVD-ROM with practice clips and tests and so forth.  Apparently they now use CGI for the test itself, which is much clearer, but this hasn't yet filtered down to the DVD.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 09 August, 2015, 02:42:51 pm
Apparently people actually fail the theory test.  Since it consists of about 5% obscure but easily revised facts (stopping distances, uncommon roadsigns, species of pedestrian crossing), 20% common sense and 75% "D) Slow down and proceed with caution.", you really have to worry.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 August, 2015, 05:50:03 pm
I aten't so worried about the Theory Test but the Hazard Perception one is another wossname of fishies.

(Click...click...click...swear...I did spot the wall full of fucking teenagers spitting needlessly >:()
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 10 August, 2015, 01:34:09 pm
I aten't so worried about the Theory Test but the Hazard Perception one is another wossname of fishies.

(Click...click...click...swear...I did spot the wall full of fucking teenagers spitting needlessly >:()

I've not done it myself (having passed the test when knowing all the hand signals was necessary) but the standard advice appears to be "click on absolutely everything, as quickly as possible, it's been put there for a reason".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 August, 2015, 06:53:51 pm
If you do that it notices and awards you nul points.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 10 August, 2015, 09:17:01 pm
Is there an on-line version?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 August, 2015, 06:22:24 pm
OK, Microsith, what the actual fuck have you done to Excel with your last set of updates?  Doing just about anything makes it hang ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 August, 2015, 12:39:35 am
Damn and blast Microsith, said Mr Larrington, the words coming easily through force of habit.

Why in the name of the Second Five Year Plan are you trying to install updates for Outlook and Powerpoint and various other components of Office which aren't even installed on the fucking machine ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 13 August, 2015, 09:00:42 am
Damn and blast Microsith, said Mr Larrington, the words coming easily through force of habit.

Why in the name of the Second Five Year Plan are you trying to install updates for Outlook and Powerpoint and various other components of Office which aren't even installed on the fucking machine ???

I think it's because all of the office components *are* actually still there on the machine, even if you only elected to install a sub-set of them.
They are just hiding behind the sofa.

This is so that you can go into Add/Remove programs, and in the Office add/remover you have the option to change what components are installed ( eg add Outlook ) without having to go find the Office install disks.   
(I think if you look, it will list your Outlook as 'Not Available', rather than 'Not Installed'.)
The previously not-installed available component will emerge from behind the sofa, with all the current patches and updates magically included.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 August, 2015, 10:35:57 am
Ah.  This makes sense now I think about it.  I was wondering why a custom install of just Word and Excel required the same 2.57 GB of disk space as the express install everything option.  But anyway.

Some spod at Microsith has claimed that the "Excel hangs when you look at it" issue can be cured by examining the entrails of a chicken jibbling with your default printer, but every time I tried to access "Devices & Printers" from the Control Panel the CP hung so badly it needed a reboot to restore it to life.

Removing and reinstalling Office did the trick and Excel was happy.  And then Microsith installed 52 updates, and Excel broke again, and the conclusion we draw from this, which coincidentally is one of the fundamental principles of IngSoc, is that Microsith Spod speak with forked tongue.

Uninstalling all add-ins, and the 3rd-party "Print to PDF" application, and Office, and then reinstalling them, and allowing Microsith to apply its updates (four of which it decided "weren't needed"), and I can once more embolden the contents of a cell, and that's about four hours of my time I'd rather have wasted doing something useful, like getting to the bottom of why the in-game music player in ETS2 doesn't like ZZ Top.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrij on 13 August, 2015, 12:29:28 pm
Do you really need to use M$Orifice?  There are suitable substitutes available for the princely sum of zero of the BRITON'S Pounds.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 13 August, 2015, 12:31:02 pm
Do you really need to use M$Orifice?  There are suitable substitutes available for the princely sum of zero of the BRITON'S Pounds.

Indeed, the Chinese invader* is my favourite, it doesn't have the sluggishness of OOO and none of the irritations of MS Office.

*Kingsoft Office
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 13 August, 2015, 12:49:16 pm
TBH, I think if you're having to use Excel then you're already having a bad day, and trying to do so with a pale imitation of the real thing is only going to make matters worse.

Word, not so much.  There are plenty of equally incompetent word processors available for the princely sum of zero BRITONS pounds.  Or if it's a proper document, LaTeX.

If you need Powerpoint then you're basically doomed anyway.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 13 August, 2015, 12:57:29 pm
When I did it the babbage-engines were at least somebody else's problem, and the test was easily passed by guessing the frequency of clicks that would constitute cheating, and making sure that you stayed somewhat under it, while not being completely oblivious to the road scene being presented.  TBH, anyone who's been successfully using the roads for a while ought to be able to pass it easily, either through a rudimentary ability to anticipate hazards, or a sufficiently high level of luck.
This. IIRC if you click too soon & it doesn't register (counted as a random click), & repeating the click too quickly gets it counted as continuously clicking in the hope a hazard will turn up. Took me a few tries with the CD to get it right.

The Highway Code test was piss-easy, though.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 August, 2015, 03:18:37 pm
Do you really need to use M$Orifice?  There are suitable substitutes available for the princely sum of zero of the BRITON'S Pounds.

Good God, man, you don't think I actually paid for Office, do you? :P  That is what (former) employers are for.

Having said that, Microsith wants to install another 38 updates and a pound says Excel will be stiffed afterwards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 13 August, 2015, 07:12:32 pm
Oh Satan's Hairy Arse!

I successfully avoid M$ patch crappery at home by _not_ applying their patches, but when I fire up at 0530 (don't ask) expecting to find a dev. server with our dev. DBs all present and correct and but find instead an e-mail sent at 2230 last night from the poor overworked sod who herds our servers telling me that M$ have supplied a patch that renders the server un-bootable* (is that a word? it is now) and it will be the thick end of a day before that particular server is back in service I reserve the right to call M$ lots and _lots_ of unprintable names. Deadlines?  Nah, we don't have deadlines. Not so you'd notice.

I also happen to know that our server-herd started work at just gone 8 yesterday morning and lives about an hour's drive from the office so the poor bugger will have had a stupidly long day simply because M$ can't patch their own bloody OS on vanilla hardware properly.  Fuckwits.

*Well it did reboot, the problem was it did nothing but effing reboot.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 August, 2015, 07:27:20 pm
In an unprecedented case of actually doing what it says on the tin, the aforementioned updates did not kill Excel utterly to DETH, though as it's taken about forty-eight hours to achieve this state of stability I remain unconvinced that this is the end of the matter.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 13 August, 2015, 07:59:22 pm
TBH, I think if you're having to use Excel then you're already having a bad day, and trying to do so with a pale imitation of the real thing is only going to make matters worse.

Word, not so much.  There are plenty of equally incompetent word processors available for the princely sum of zero BRITONS pounds.  Or if it's a proper document, LaTeX.

If you need Powerpoint then you're basically doomed anyway.

Beamer ftw :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 August, 2015, 05:55:44 pm
In an unprecedented case of actually doing what it says on the tin, the aforementioned updates did not kill Excel utterly to DETH, though as it's taken about forty-eight hours to achieve this state of stability I remain unconvinced that this is the end of the matter.

Oh look!  It's b0rked again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Morat on 14 August, 2015, 09:26:52 pm
This week has been ridiculous.
Power cuts, generator failures, iSCSI array failures, Devs on holiday with outstanding major bugs, and a user who wont shut up about his sodding headset. I'm tempted to replace it with a man-trap and shut it on his head.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 14 August, 2015, 09:28:04 pm
In an unprecedented case of actually doing what it says on the tin, the aforementioned updates did not kill Excel utterly to DETH, though as it's taken about forty-eight hours to achieve this state of stability I remain unconvinced that this is the end of the matter.

Oh look!  It's b0rked again.
Give up.  Buy pencils, lots of paper, a sharpener and a rubber*.  You'll waste far less time working it out by hand than trying to get M$ patches to work.  Ask my colleague the server-herd (see prev. post) the poor bastard had another midnight touch yesterday trying to get the server back up and running was still working on it today and fully expecting to spending time on it tomorrow just cos of a shite M$ patch.

*For USANIAN visitors: Eraser.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 14 August, 2015, 11:55:38 pm
Downloaded, though didn't install, Kingsoft Office.  This has scared Excel into working again ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Karla on 17 August, 2015, 04:26:48 pm
Smarmy posters on stackexchange who mark posts as duplicate because they bear some passing relation to an oblique, unsatisfying answer to a tangentially-related question that was asked back in 2001.  One day St Isidore of Seville - the patron saint of computers - is going to get biblical on your collective sorry asses and give you a reprogramming you'll never forget, utilising one of those thunderbolts you see God wielding in all the scariest pictures.  I can't wait. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 24 August, 2015, 10:22:54 am
So I go on holiday for several days. There's a lot of email in my inbox. Someone on one of the technology subdecks seemed to think that sending some cryptic message about an overfull /tmp file (I've no idea) to an entire mothership group email is a good idea.

You can guess the rest.

'can you please take me off this email string'n

You'd think after the first couple, they would have noticed than in complaining about one email they're generating many more.

I'm astounded that some people even manage the level of intellectual activity behind remembering to breath.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 24 August, 2015, 11:31:47 am
Brilliant, about 150 emails later the originator pleads for people to stop. The response: dozens of reply-all 'thanks' and 'OK's

Were people this stupid before I want on holiday or was there a comet or strange meteor display while I was away?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 24 August, 2015, 11:55:32 am
It's the mail server version of a runaway nuclear chain reaction. Surprised it didn't reach criticality and blow the server up.

Yes people are that stupid.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 24 August, 2015, 03:12:03 pm
It's still happening. People still hitting reply-all despite all pleas to stop. I think the world is doomed. I'm currently seeing 296 responses to that single miscreant email.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2015, 03:30:11 pm
Are you senior enough to have the miscreant publicly executed, pour encourager les autres?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 24 August, 2015, 03:59:33 pm
Someone in Hyderabad and to be fair, he did beg everyone to stop and told them that it was honest mistake and to ignore it. He has cruelly underestimated the forces of stupidity aligned against him.

Even my own boss joined in. They're still coming in now, the next tier seems to be people asking for an explanation à la 'I don't understand, could you explain what I need to do...'

Stop fucking well pressing REPLY ALL would be a start.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2015, 05:31:32 pm
Stop fucking well pressing REPLY ALL would be a start.

Soon there will be an Official Missive from The Mgt telling everyone not to use REPLY/ALL and you can guess the rest.

Have them all executed.  It's the only way to ensure the survival of the human race.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 05:33:07 pm
It's the mail server version of a runaway nuclear chain reaction. Surprised it didn't reach criticality and blow the server up.

Yes people are that stupid.

I reckon the influx of stupid people neatly compensates for Moore's Law allowing mail systems to handle more messages before choking.

I remember this happening at Brizzle, after some genius created a list-of-lists that encompassed all the undergraduates and a fair number of staff.  Eventually most of the student mailboxes went over their pitiful quota and it started backing up in the outgoing spool, causing all deliveries to grind to a halt.  Only the more savvy members of the engineering faculty had working email, on account of having moved their account to a dedicated server with much higher quotas (though IIRC we still couldn't send to the outside world), and got to watch the whole clusterfuck in slow motion.  I'm not sure how it was eventually resolved, but I expect it went something like this:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regular_expressions.png) (http://xkcd.com/208/)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 24 August, 2015, 06:06:22 pm
Oh, banks.

So, I come back from holiday and my keypad security gadget doesn't work (I blame the stupidity inducing cosmic rays that happened over Britain while I was wrestling my way up the Parisian league of surly waiters). I need to pay the builder. Ah, it's OK, there's a password option. Erm, what's my password? It's evidently not any of the half dozen secret questions, memorable phrases, or the telephone banking PIN number (which I don't have either having never telephone banked).

OK, I'll request a new keypad. Please enter your password, says the machine. Le sigh.

I call the bank. Please enter your telephone banking PIN, says the machine.

Do not pass go. I suppose it's secure if even I can't access my account.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2015, 06:16:43 pm
When I had massive hassles with obtaining one of those keypad gadgets last year I learned:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 24 August, 2015, 06:29:23 pm
Ah, the illusion of security.   
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 09:59:13 pm
Ah, the illusion of security.

Not really.  The algorithms on the Taschenrechner (as it has come to be known in this house) aren't supposed to be secret are they?  It's just an interface to the chip on your card.


Which isn't to say the whole PIN-verification process isn't security theatre...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 24 August, 2015, 10:19:50 pm
Santander seem to be able to run a fully operational internet banking system without having a keypad to lose. Why are they needed?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 10:24:05 pm
Santander seem to be able to run a fully operational internet banking system without having a keypad to lose. Why are they needed?

As an extra layer of obfuscation to prevent you from doing anything out of the ordinary without a card and PIN.  Typically invoked when you set up a BACS payment to someone new, or similar (which makes a certain degree of sense).  Regular stuff like logging in and transferring money between your accounts doesn't need it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 24 August, 2015, 10:36:54 pm
Santander seem to be able to run a fully operational internet banking system without having a keypad to lose. Why are they needed?

As an extra layer of obfuscation to prevent you from doing anything out of the ordinary without a card and PIN.  Typically invoked when you set up a BACS payment to someone new, or similar (which makes a certain degree of sense).  Regular stuff like logging in and transferring money between your accounts doesn't need it.

Lloyds don't use them either, but Barclays require them just to log in, never mind juggling with actual money.  I only came to need one after Barclays borged ING Direct.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 24 August, 2015, 10:40:18 pm
Santander seem to be able to run a fully operational internet banking system without having a keypad to lose. Why are they needed?

As an extra layer of obfuscation to prevent you from doing anything out of the ordinary without a card and PIN.  Typically invoked when you set up a BACS payment to someone new, or similar (which makes a certain degree of sense).  Regular stuff like logging in and transferring money between your accounts doesn't need it.

Ah. The Spanish bank's version of this involves codes by SMS.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 August, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
Barclays require them just to log in, never mind juggling with actual money.

Wheras NatPest explicitly state that they'll never ask you to use one to log in, lest a phisher create an elaborate mock-up of the login page as a proxy to access your chip+PIN.

Being a bank, they make up for this suspicious application of common sense by sending you regular spammy emails.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 24 August, 2015, 11:49:19 pm
Brilliant, about 150 emails later the originator pleads for people to stop. The response: dozens of reply-all 'thanks' and 'OK's

Were people this stupid before I want on holiday or was there a comet or strange meteor display while I was away?
I wouldn't like to try to remember how many cases of that sort of idiocy I've suffered from. Delete, delete, delete!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 August, 2015, 12:13:51 am
I get plenty of luncheon meat from Santander in spite of not having to use an Infernal Machine to connect to their online banking.  The next time the fuckers offer me a credit card I'm apt to take it and max it out on cocaine and hookers donations to charity.

I think the balance in my Santander current account is about £6.99.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 25 August, 2015, 07:57:05 am
Brilliant, about 150 emails later the originator pleads for people to stop. The response: dozens of reply-all 'thanks' and 'OK's

Were people this stupid before I want on holiday or was there a comet or strange meteor display while I was away?
I wouldn't like to try to remember how many cases of that sort of idiocy I've suffered from. Delete, delete, delete!

Monday morning normally involves: right click email(s) -> create new rule -> apply rule to inbox now. Then watch the deleted items box fill up. Job done.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 August, 2015, 09:24:58 am
Brilliant, about 150 emails later the originator pleads for people to stop. The response: dozens of reply-all 'thanks' and 'OK's

Were people this stupid before I want on holiday or was there a comet or strange meteor display while I was away?
I wouldn't like to try to remember how many cases of that sort of idiocy I've suffered from. Delete, delete, delete!

What gets me is that they don't stop. They're still arriving. The first email was stupid, but hey we all make mistakes. The first reply-all, well, it's a forgivable sin, you are yet to see what you wrought. But after that people must surely note that their inbox is now filling. Do they genuinely not see the connection?

Even better, they're now quoting, so each

'please remove me'

now quotes the previous dozen pleas below.

please
      please
            please
                  make
                           it
                              stop
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 August, 2015, 10:26:22 am
I bet they're all top-posting too :demon:

Even better, they're now quoting, so each

'please remove me'

now quotes the previous dozen pleas below.

please
      please
            please
                  make
                           it
                              stop
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 25 August, 2015, 11:14:56 am
Ah, the illusion of security.

Not really.  The algorithms on the Taschenrechner (as it has come to be known in this house) aren't supposed to be secret are they?  It's just an interface to the chip on your card.


Which isn't to say the whole PIN-verification process isn't security theatre...

It's certainly theatre. What's my 'grandfather's first name?' Which one? I don't remember. And was it Alf or Alfred. Where's my favourite holiday destination? I don't know. The only way I'd remember all this shit is to write it down. Make a mistake and you have reset the lot. Which you can only do with the secure key.

The HSBC secure key isn't a card chip based system, you type a PIN and it gives a six digit number. I presume all this proves is that you have the physical device (I assume there's some embedded key in the circuits) and its PIN (which algorithmically generates the six digit code from the embedded key) rather than anything more sophisticated. So, two factor authentication. I'm not clear why it's necessary to see my account, other than to annoy me. Still, given all that drug money squirreled away in HSBC accounts they probably figure their customers need that extra tier of discretion.

Apparently I needed to set up my password, but hey I can do, I just need to input...

A new one is in the post. Because that's secure.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 25 August, 2015, 12:33:59 pm
One of our IT honchos has this approach to nonsensical security questions - just reply to them all with the same single word answer. Then you don't need to remember which uncle - it is Burberry. You don't need to remember where was your first school, the answer is still Burberry.

Some systems are starting to catch on.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 August, 2015, 12:43:57 pm
Uncle Burberry - the chav Womble.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 25 August, 2015, 02:07:33 pm
I get plenty of luncheon meat from Santander in spite of not having to use an Infernal Machine to connect to their online banking.  The next time the fuckers offer me a credit card I'm apt to take it and max it out on cocaine and hookers donations to charity.

I think the balance in my Santander current account is about £6.99.

I think that might be enough to get you a BJ from Toothless Meg, and a couple of paracetamol for afterwards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 August, 2015, 02:37:15 pm
Oh for fuck's sake, they're doing the fucking email thing again. Stop hitting REPLY ALL, you starspangled fuckstains.

Edit: I'm not entirely sure whether to be subtly pleased with the sheer deviousness of the responses to all that say 'stop replying to all.'

There's 33,000 names in the group email used...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 26 August, 2015, 04:17:46 pm
Oh for fuck's sake, they're doing the fucking email thing again. Stop hitting REPLY ALL, you starspangled fuckstains.

Edit: I'm not entirely sure whether to be subtly pleased with the sheer deviousness of the responses to all that say 'stop replying to all.'

There's 33,000 names in the group email used...

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/3igw3e/someone_just_sent_an_email_to_33000_employees/
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 August, 2015, 05:48:38 pm
Yep, that's the beauty. They're still coming in, we're at the 'I'm not sure why I got this?' stage now. Why not ask 33,000 people, I'm sure one of them knows.

I created a rule to dump everything with the subject line, then people started changing the subject line to PLEASE STOP REPLYING TO ALL or WHAT IS THIS?????????

You know, for most of the time I can convince myself that I don't live in a world filled with people so dumb, and then they go spoil the illusion. To think that these people vote and breed and drive large cars and occupy positions of responsibility. It explains so much about the world.

Guess who just replied to all, wayhey, it's everyone favour three letter computer business coming aboard. I should get pretzels.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 26 August, 2015, 06:30:22 pm
HAL?

I've just picked up a fault in the AE33000 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 26 August, 2015, 06:43:16 pm
You know you've made the big leagues when your fuckup at work has a hashtag.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 August, 2015, 11:03:58 pm
The Weather Channel!  Your app is quite handy and tells me that "In September, Seattle is warmer than, and has similar rainfall to, X" but putting an advertising-announcement over the space where X should be named rather defeats the object of the exercise ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: contango on 03 September, 2015, 05:10:11 am

Trying to connect to the online system to file a sales tax return here in Americaland.

Needless to say the site doesn't work at all using Firefox. Or Chrome. Or Android's vaguely named "Internet". For good measure the security certificates are all wrong. So reluctantly I load up Internet Explorer and visit the site, only to find I get an "Access Denied" message with the helpful hint "you may need to log in". Yes, that's what I was trying to do. But apparently I can't see the login screen until I log in.

So that's going to be another half an hour listening to hold music tomorrow then...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 03 September, 2015, 05:55:51 am
The worst kind of f*ck up involving large email groups:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/02/ico_looking_into_london_clinics_spaffing_of_780_patients_hiv_status/
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 03 September, 2015, 01:16:27 pm
The worst kind of f*ck up involving large email groups:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/02/ico_looking_into_london_clinics_spaffing_of_780_patients_hiv_status/

Someone suggested to me that email clients should really pop up a warning when sending messages to large numbers of recipients without BCC.  That seems like an excellent idea, but I don't for a minute expect that these incidents would be avoided, because people would just click 'OK' when confronted with an unfamiliar dialog.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: andrew_s on 03 September, 2015, 03:12:44 pm
Better would be to pop up a notification that your CC had been changed automatically to BCC, with a big OK button, and a small & insignificant tickbox to tick if you really want to CC.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ben T on 04 September, 2015, 10:30:06 am
why are some words so hard to bloody type?
"unobtrusive"

keeps coming out as
unobstruvie
unosbsturve
unobstrive
etc

the best i can get wihtout literally looking at each letter in turn is
unobstrusive
but the "s" always creeps in
 ??? >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: clarion on 07 September, 2015, 04:42:30 pm
Bluddi FaceAche! >:(

My phone app logged me out, and is now demanding proof of ID to let me back in, which sounds dodgy, but is just the sort of thing they would do.  A friend contacted me because apparently I seem to have disabled my account.

Will have to look into the matter when I log on this evening.  Hmm... >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: clarion on 07 September, 2015, 09:15:04 pm
Good grief!  Talk about being ID'd!  I've had further contact with FB, and they want me to prove I'm over 13.  I'd've thought the many photos of a two year old child would be a fair indication...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 07 September, 2015, 09:40:06 pm
Jack it in.   I'm very happy that I've disabled my faceache account.   I don't miss it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: clarion on 08 September, 2015, 11:02:54 am
I use it to communicate with any friends who have the misfortune not to be on this forum. 

Aaaaanyway, Facebook have decided I am not under age (though I understand how my careful daily skincare regime may have fooled them), and allowed me back through the hallowed portal.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Polar Bear on 08 September, 2015, 11:09:55 am
Ah, I see.

I have rediscovered texting and emailing for such purposes. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 09 September, 2015, 01:10:28 pm
The worst kind of f*ck up involving large email groups:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/02/ico_looking_into_london_clinics_spaffing_of_780_patients_hiv_status/

Someone suggested to me that email clients should really pop up a warning when sending messages to large numbers of recipients without BCC.  That seems like an excellent idea, but I don't for a minute expect that these incidents would be avoided, because people would just click 'OK' when confronted with an unfamiliar dialog.

You know more about this than I do, but wouldn't it be possible to reject outgoing emails at the server if they had more than one To: or Cc:? Given the particularly sensitive nature of the data being held at this place, why rely on humans not making an error?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 09 September, 2015, 01:18:22 pm
You know more about this than I do, but wouldn't it be possible to reject outgoing emails at the server if they had more than one To: or Cc:? Given the particularly sensitive nature of the data being held at this place, why rely on humans not making an error?

Now *that's* not a bad idea.

I know exim allows you to limit the number of recipients (unfortunately this includes BCC, but it's a start).  Presumably with a bit of scripting-fu you could count the number of To:s and CC:s and reject on that basis.

Wouldn't stop someone who knows what they're doing from sending large numbers of messages, but it might reduce the frequency of these accidents.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 September, 2015, 01:59:47 am
Ah, I see.

I have rediscovered texting and emailing for such purposes.

Pffft!  Last night I had so little intertubes that I could receive e-mail but not send it, and could not get the web at all.  Also no phone signal.  Bah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 September, 2015, 04:44:05 am
OK, Chocolate Factory, what the actual fuck does

DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_BAD_CONFIG

actually mean?  Apart from my not being able to upload any photos to Flickr, obv.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 18 September, 2015, 01:18:32 pm
This morning I discovered why WinXDVD rips DVDs so much faster than Handbrake. It was only ripping the first five minutes of the film!
So when I thought I had ripped two films and the first two series of Breaking Bad, I hadn't.
There has to be a better way than spending 16 hours ripping a film.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 18 September, 2015, 01:22:07 pm
Buy a better computer. Transcoding video is one of the few things that causes those processor cores to flex.

Mind you, my 2009-vintage Mac Mini manages to rip an average two hour movie to .mp4 in just over an hour (with Handbrake)...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 September, 2015, 02:37:45 am
Nice one, fondleslab.  Why not start updating Chrome in a motel where the connection to the intertubes times out - by design - every so often, thereby rendering yourself completely fucking useless >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 21 September, 2015, 11:33:06 pm
Why won't win 7 update?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 22 September, 2015, 06:14:33 pm
Bugs in the works.  Google the error code if it happens again after a system restart.  Sometimes there's a fix to download from MS.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 23 September, 2015, 03:50:02 pm
In standard computer....it is not saying anything just watching the bar move.  Then a little message telling me it has failed.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Gattopardo on 28 September, 2015, 06:04:43 pm
Finally sorted the issue with several reboots.

Then the thing decideds that windows is not authentic...re enter the number again a few times till it finally accepts it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 29 September, 2015, 04:18:54 pm
Effing Windows.

New laptop for daughter, turned on for first time. set up users, etc '00s of updates, reboot. 167 more updates. Over an hour installing them, then it fails - starts rolling back the updates. It isn't going to be finished when I want to go home. I don't want to leave it out on a desk, we've had breakins. Effing windows.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 September, 2015, 04:28:08 pm
Don't.  Somewhere between Enfield and Larrington Towers is a new 8.1 box...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 30 September, 2015, 11:32:59 am
Problems turned out to be due to bios bugs, fortunately fairly easily sorted by running the ASUS BIOS/system update utility.

I'm guessing that's why the laptop was a 'refurb'; if someone who wasn't persistent had got it, it would have looked like junk. Was crashing to bios settings every time it was put to sleep.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 30 September, 2015, 07:03:00 pm
Don't.  Somewhere between Enfield and Larrington Towers is a new 8.1 box...

Updates went pretty quickly.

Updates to MS Orifice and other bits'n'bobs, OTOH, is a different wossname of kippers. 171 updates and the thick end of 4 gig chiz :(

ETA: Reboot.  44 more updates.  1.7 GB.  Poo.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 30 September, 2015, 08:43:03 pm
Don't knock it, El Capitan is rollocking my fat pipes with six muthahumpin' gigabytes of throbbing upgrade. The neighbourhood's porn will be a buffering.

I'll make a cuppa then. Odds on it gets to 6.07 GB and runs headlong into a chunky error message.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 01 October, 2015, 12:14:55 pm
Six hours. I slept through it.

Microsoft Office, it took you five years to debut the optimistically named Office 2016 for Mac. One that might actually work with a modern Mac (I reserve judgement). Hold on, £120 for one computer? It's forever 1995 in Microsoftland.

Or I can subscribe. I don't want to subscribe to software.

Bugger off then, I'll stick with 2011 and liberal usage of foul language.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 11 October, 2015, 12:30:05 pm
Javascript: gah!  :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: StuAff on 11 October, 2015, 12:39:00 pm
Six hours. I slept through it.

Microsoft Office, it took you five years to debut the optimistically named Office 2016 for Mac. One that might actually work with a modern Mac (I reserve judgement). Hold on, £120 for one computer? It's forever 1995 in Microsoftland.

Or I can subscribe. I don't want to subscribe to software.

Bugger off then, I'll stick with 2011 and liberal usage of foul language.
2011 still works just fine (OK, no worse than previously) with El Cap.
+1 on the price and the subscription model. I just want to buy software as and when, and at a reasonable price. Adobe lost my business when they switched Photoshop to subscriptions, when I'd bought multiple upgrades over the years.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 11 October, 2015, 02:20:42 pm
Adobe, why can't you write software that doesn't need to be upgraded every 3.5 minutes? Flash is a pile of doggy doo.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 October, 2015, 02:40:36 pm
How iTunes does it:
How Plex Media Server does it:
I give up

(Gives up)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 11 October, 2015, 06:04:13 pm
Oh, dear. I seem to be a spam-spewing zombie.

Complaint from Mrs. F that she's had no e-mail for 2 days.
So I send her a test mail.
Nothing.
I send myself a test mail.
Nothing.

Hmm.
Log onto mail server, and find it's bogged down with a delivery queue of 6000 messages.
Shut down the mail service, clear queue, and look at logs.

I've got logging turned down to 1, so I can only see that I've been accepting mail from spammy address to random address ( ie open relaying ).
Only I'm not open relaying, I require SMTP auth.
So I think one of the client PCs is compromised and the mail is coming in via an authenticated connection.
I've turned on SMTP logging so I can catch which login is compromised.
It's not a dictionary attack, since I have an IP auto-ban for incorrect logins.

Server re-started, and nothing untoward coming in yet.
Will be keeping a close eye on this one.


Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 14 October, 2015, 09:45:43 pm
Oh, dear. I seem to be a spam-spewing zombie.

Complaint from Mrs. F that she's had no e-mail for 2 days.
So I send her a test mail.
Nothing.
I send myself a test mail.
Nothing.

Hmm.
Log onto mail server, and find it's bogged down with a delivery queue of 6000 messages.
Shut down the mail service, clear queue, and look at logs.

I've got logging turned down to 1, so I can only see that I've been accepting mail from spammy address to random address ( ie open relaying ).
Only I'm not open relaying, I require SMTP auth.
So I think one of the client PCs is compromised and the mail is coming in via an authenticated connection.
I've turned on SMTP logging so I can catch which login is compromised.
It's not a dictionary attack, since I have an IP auto-ban for incorrect logins.

Server re-started, and nothing untoward coming in yet.
Will be keeping a close eye on this one.

Aha! Caught!

After 2 quiet days on the mailserver, I am alerted to a sudden spike in mail traffic.
Remote onto the mailserver, and I see spam from: and to: addresses being relayed.
Shuts down mail server service, and peruses the more comprehensive logs.

Ah, so there we are: logging in with a legit account, and getting authenticated.
So who's account is it?   One of the kids, no doubt.
But it's base64-obfuscated in the logs, so I need to decode it... <tapity-tap>

Ah.
Not the kids.
It's my primary account.  How embarrassing.

I have a strong password, don't I? Err.. no...
I forgot that back at Xmas time, when I got the new fondleslab, in my haste to set up stuff, I could not remember my e-mail account password.
So I just remoted into the mailserver and 'temporarily' reset it to 'username123', intending to fix it later.
Later never came, and I just adjusted my password on my other devices.
So I've been running with this silly PW for 10 months.

It's been reset to a strong PW again, and I've temporarily firewalled out the IP that was hitting me.
I'll remove the IP block after a week or so, once they have given up.

Dearie me.  What an idiot.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 15 October, 2015, 01:14:14 am
When I find the idiot that thought such dramatic changes in the way apache is configured under ubuntu for the upgrade from 12.10 LTS to 14.04 LTS I will tear there legs off.

Oh what fun to find none of the sites work because of virtual host incompatibilities such as files needing .conf adding to the end.

4 hours of my life I'm not getting back.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 15 October, 2015, 10:41:01 pm
Oh, My.
The fun of running your own mailserver.

After shutting down a vulnerability of my own causing, I'm now dealing with the fallout.

The mail server logs are full of failing attempts to do SMTP auth.
Previously, I had default settings for auto-ban, where 3 incorrect logins over a few minutes got your IP a 1-hour ban or somesuch.

That's not realistic in my setup.
There are less than 10 users, and they all have their credentials set up and stored on their devices.
There's *no* reason for incorrect logins.

So now 1 incorrect login gets a 2 week IP ban.
I'm assuming a compromised Consumer PC on an dynamic IP.
I may extend this to months.
No real MX machines will be affected, they don't attempt to auth.

Connections on the LAN are exempt from this.

I've noticed that dictionary-attacks seem to have become auto-ban aware, and back off their connection attempts accordingly.
Sneaky buggers.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 16 October, 2015, 03:04:42 pm
I used to think that TFS was the worst SCM that I'd ever used, but no, it has been replaced in my "affections" by git.

Git, it's name even rhymes with shit.

Trying to do such relatively simple things has annoyed me so much that I find myself agreeing with Adolf* (on this at least)

"oh it's so fast" say the developers. Well it's not if you have to waste 30 minutes cloning the repository because there''s no way back. Oh yes, it's fine if you want to ponce around with your macbook.

So fucking arcane and illogical is it that to do something trivial I've now resorted to cloning a fresh dev VM, cloning the git repository on it and then making 4 clones of that VM, which I'll throw away later.

* https://goo.gl/WvCVPs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDeG4S-mJts&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Maverick on 21 October, 2015, 08:28:49 am
Memory Map and Windows! MM - why do you refuse to develop a OSX desktop app forcing me to use Windows. This has been a no-windows zone for 5 years so it was necessary to dig out a copy and install it on a VM on my iMac. Consequently it took 5 hours of my life to split a copy of the 50k GB 2015 Hd maps in to small enough chunks to load onto iPhone/iPad, most of it playing 'hunt the network' and 'where is the USB port'. That should be a 10min job!!  >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 21 October, 2015, 12:06:55 pm
If you are pulling data of the same sensors, from the same SCADA system, is it too much to ask that you keep the dates in the same bloody format?

I have 320,000 rows of imported CSV data to try and turn into something inteligable in excel* and all I've been doing for the last half hour is trying to fix the switches from USAnian dates to UK ones which is messing up my attempts to do any sorting and processing.

*That I have to us Excel and not Access for something that Access would be far better at is another rant for another time
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 22 October, 2015, 10:30:02 am
Dates in Excel - hours of fun  ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Phil W on 22 October, 2015, 04:06:02 pm
Memory Map and Windows! MM - why do you refuse to develop a OSX desktop app forcing me to use Windows. This has been a no-windows zone for 5 years so it was necessary to dig out a copy and install it on a VM on my iMac. Consequently it took 5 hours of my life to split a copy of the 50k GB 2015 Hd maps in to small enough chunks to load onto iPhone/iPad, most of it playing 'hunt the network' and 'where is the USB port'. That should be a 10min job!!  >:(

You know you really want Anquet which has OSX and iOS versions...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 22 October, 2015, 07:29:02 pm
Microsoft.  Visual Studio 2015.  Pointless fucking changes to UI cf VS 2012.  That is all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 October, 2015, 02:03:28 pm
After beating the SCIENCE about the head with my stoutest knobkerrie I have persuaded the audio versions of all five John Peel Lectures to take up residence on my Babbage-Engine.  So, iTunes, I wish to import all five into your stupid so-called "library" that I might then put them on my iPod and listen to them in mine own good time while out.  Or about.

Therefore I should be obliged if you should treat all five files in the same way i.e. as if they were tracks wot I had for e.g. ripped from a CD.  Or something.  Rather than leaving poor Iggy out in the cold under "Podcasts".

I have now managed to get Mr Pop alongside Ms Church and Messrs Townshend, Bragg and Eno but only by frobbing the file until it screamed.  Just stop it.  You are the Louise Woodward of nanny-state-ism >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 25 October, 2015, 03:19:06 pm
Dates in Excel - hours of fun  ::-)

Dates in any package are painful. My weapon of choice for such shenannigans is either R or Python.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 October, 2015, 11:34:21 am
Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia, you have raised twattery to new levels.

My fondleslab wants to upgrade to iOS 9.1.  Now or later, it asks.  Later, I say, fo I am using it to look make up random "facts" about Croydon.  Between 2 and 4 tomorrow, then, it says, provided it's plugged in and has wi-fi rays. I plug it in and bung it on the coffee table, two metres as the well-aimed half-brick flies to the wifi router.  Mr Jobs' SCIENCE will do its stuff and I can come down in the morning for tea, toast and iOS 9.1.

I do not what made it not update but the first thing it asks this morning is whether I want to update to iOS 9.1.  Look, FruitCo, If you're going to offer this service then make it fucking work, and if it doesn't find conditions to its liking then at least give me a fucking error message.  Cretins.

In contrast it decided to do the last update unilaterally.  While I was on holibobs.  In a hotel with shite wifi.  Which caused it to conk out and turn the fondleslab into a paperweight.

"Lobotomised shitlarks" is not too strong a description of the people responsible.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 October, 2015, 11:59:42 am
And now I find that press'n'hold no longer works for "quotes" and catastrophe's.  You have to press, hold and jibble your finger >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 October, 2015, 01:16:49 pm
MOAR update woes as Seagate Central NAS utterly fails to restart after a firmware update.  I may need to RTFM chiz.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 30 October, 2015, 10:37:22 am
Bloody Bitdefender!

You are slow, useless and obstructive.  Several hundred times more obstructive than Norton ever was, preventing me from accessing anything on my blu-ray drive at all, and then taking 20 minutes to fail to scan the remote DVD drive, and locking up the PC in the process. Its a seriously powerful PC, with lots of resources, so why should scanning an optical drive take over the whole machine? Its set to auto-update, yet every time I fire up the PC it squeals that its out of date, and what am I going to do about it.

Well, what I am going to do about it is simple, get rid of you, you useless heap of crap -today, in fact in the next ten minutes, regardless of having a couple of months subscription left...
So shall I rely on Windows (10) own products, or go back to Norton, which at least when I asked it not to scan a certain thing, did at least obey, instead of blithely scanning it regardless and then locking up?

I just want something that works, and does not require lots of interaction from me.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 30 October, 2015, 12:33:29 pm
We've used BitDefender up until quite recently and tbh, didn't experience any kind of problems.
It's not uncommon for leading AntiVirusCos to provide new signatures several times of day. Is it possible to quiet the out-of-date warnings?
I'd be surprised if there wasn't an option to exclude the blue ray drive from scans. Which is fine if your using trusted read only media.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 30 October, 2015, 02:39:36 pm
Its been pretty painful from day one, but has got far worse since upgrading to Win10, which caused Bitdefender to commit suicide, meaning I had to download their total removal tool from their website and reinstall a version which was only accessible via their forums, to get it working again.  The comments on the forums are not complimentary...

The "out of date" warnings only annoy me because its meant to deal with the issue itself, but it doesn't, I have to manually update it.  I also takes up to half an hour to do that update, whereas Norton never took anything like that long.  I have told it to ignore the blu-ray drive on numerous occasions, and on recent occasions I've told it to stop scanning anything at all, yet it still scans it. Basically, it just refuses to do as its told. 

Gone now, and PC working better, which is a relief since one of today's tasks is going through a load of old discs I wrote ages ago, to see if they still have a purpose other than as bird-scarers.

I was amused that when removing it, it detected I was doing so, and asked why.  The final question was "what OS are you using?" and a list of OSs, which did not include Windows 10, so my comment in the last box was that this summed it up, that they are hopelessly out of date, and seemed totally unprepared for Windows 10.

Things were not helped by an issue which Win 10 seems to have with recognising optical drives.  Mine was recognised, but for some types of media, it didn't seem to want to read it, meaning I resorted to my external DVD drive.  Drive firmware now updated and all seems to be well (fingers firmly crossed).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 November, 2015, 01:10:21 am
Machine, what the actual fuck have you done with Classic Start Menu?  Put it back THIS INSTANT!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 04 November, 2015, 09:25:34 pm
After much puzzling about why my Time Machine backup ground to a halt (on the last machine it claimed to be read only, on this one it sledged disk first into a lake of time-retardant jam) I finally removed the apostrophe from an external drive name and the jam was gone.

El Capitan doesn't like the apostrophe. He's the anti-grocer.

Seriously, in 2015 and computers still choke on shit like that. Grammar pedants recoil.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 05 November, 2015, 09:27:11 am
Seriously, in 2015 and computers still choke on shit like that. Grammar pedants recoil.
So they should. What the hell was wrong with 8.3?

You want apostrophe's in drive letters, filenames, directories but you think companies letting SQL injection via their websites are being lax? Are you taking the Bear Grylls rehydration technique?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 05 November, 2015, 10:23:39 am
Seriously, in 2015 and computers still choke on shit like that. Grammar pedants recoil.
So they should. What the hell was wrong with 8.3?

You want apostrophe's in drive letters, filenames, directories but you think companies letting SQL injection via their websites are being lax? Are you taking the Bear Grylls rehydration technique?

Ordinary humans use computers, not programmers. Attempting security by screwing usability is a common and epic fail.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 05 November, 2015, 10:31:40 am
'reminds me I must speak to my ISP and ask why their line speed in France is now the same as it was c. 10 years ago, now 18x slower than my York line speed.  ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 November, 2015, 02:22:42 pm
After much puzzling about why my Time Machine backup ground to a halt (on the last machine it claimed to be read only, on this one it sledged disk first into a lake of time-retardant jam) I finally removed the apostrophe from an external drive name and the jam was gone.

El Capitan doesn't like the apostrophe. He's the anti-grocer.

Seriously, in 2015 and computers still choke on shit like that. Grammar pedants recoil.

You think you've got problems?  I have two NASen.  The older one very properly displays its name as "El Gordo" but no matter how I try to jibble things the newer refuses to be anything other than "FATBOY", which offend my delicate sensibilities.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 November, 2015, 07:10:07 pm
And another thing.  Google, did I give you permission to change the way your search results appear on my fondleslab?  In some sort of horrible proto-mobile layout?  So that it looks, well, shit?

No.  No, I did not.  Now put it back before I come round to your house chocolate factory with some piss-poor fireworks and a Zippo >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 06 November, 2015, 09:12:35 am
Seriously, in 2015 and computers still choke on shit like that. Grammar pedants recoil.
So they should. What the hell was wrong with 8.3?

You want apostrophe's in drive letters, filenames, directories but you think companies letting SQL injection via their websites are being lax? Are you taking the Bear Grylls rehydration technique?

apostrophe's what?  ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 06 November, 2015, 09:26:54 am
Frankly, if I want to call my external drive Finestre's Dark Cupboard of Recalcitrant Electrons, I bloody well shall. Or not, les apparantlies. I'd be less annoyed if it said 'I don't think you want to do that' (in the delightful and rather proper voice of Kate this week) when my finger hovered over the apostrophe key rather than fill the Console with cryptic error jibble. Null condition 1003, exit code 8, you say? That could be a fucking whale sighting for all I know. And it used to work, because it always had the bloody apostrophe.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 07 November, 2015, 10:48:53 pm
Yet the wizards of the dark arts [1] can have file names of whatever characters they wish. Including ones so obscure you really cannot type them in.

..d

[1]Unix
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 07 November, 2015, 10:54:19 pm
...and ones that get parsed by the shell in unintuitive ways.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 07 November, 2015, 10:58:39 pm
Oh the joys of winding folk up by including nasty things in the filename. Backspace is a good one. Carriage return is another. trailing spaces add to the fun.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 November, 2015, 03:20:38 am
Lusers used to similar things, at least as far as Windows would allow them to, which caused a certain amount of embuggerance when copying their files to an OS which does not tolerate such slackness.  It being impossible, or at least illegal, to educate lusers I had to nail up some SCIENCE to disembugrificate their file names.  I'm fairly sure the SCIENCE on our side had been failing almost daily for about three years before they employed me :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 November, 2015, 04:45:19 am
I'm almost livid. If it weren't for the fact I picked up this piece of hardware for beans, I'd be through the roof. And I seldom get angry about anything.

I'm finally sending my first ZFS snapshot from brox (home server) to mundo (backup server).
I couldn't work out why I was getting such poor transfer speeds. ~150 Megabit/second. CPUs/IO no where near maxed out.

Then I checked the event log on mundo. It's getting spammed choc full of these:

Code: [Select]
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.334095] net_ratelimit: 131 callbacks suppressed
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.400836] sky2 0000:05:00.0 eth0: rx error, status 0x7ffc0001 length 1020
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.450895] sky2 0000:05:00.0: error interrupt status=0x40000008

Oh yes. I've reduce the MTU and the problem still persists. It looks like dodgy hardware is to blame: Marvel 88E8056  It's some sort of timing issue - the t'interwebs are full of geeks gnashing teeth with the same problem and no resolution.

On the bright side, the command line looks impressive.

Code: [Select]
zfs send -R biz@2015-11-08T02:52:10 | pigz -4 | ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa_zfsbackup_biz_mundo.bikeshed.internal zfsbackup@mundo.bikeshed.internal "unpigz | sudo /sbin/zfs receive -Fduv biz"

If this works, I'll try using trickle to shape the bandwidth down somewhere south of 100 Megabits/second and just be very patient.
Now I really must get some ZZzzzz
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 November, 2015, 12:11:11 pm
Now this is a rant at myself.

I though I was being clever, writing a script to regenerate a series of single use SSH keys:

Code: [Select]
#!/bin/bash

keyPath=~/keys_for_brox
keyDesc=(   var-log-archive-rsync-backup \
            dba-mysql-rsync-backup \
            www-rsync-backup \
            etc-rsync-backup \
            vmail-rsync-backup \
            dpkg-selections-rsync-backup \
        )
command=(   "rsync --server --sender -ltrze.iLs . /var/log/archive/*" \
            "rsync --server --sender -ltrze.iLs . /var/backups/mysql/*" \
            "rsync --server --sender -vltrze.iLs . /var/backups/www/" \
            "rsync --server --sender -vltrze.iLs . /var/backups/etc/" \
            "rsync --server --sender -vltrze.iLs . /var/backups/vmail/" \
            "rsync --server --sender -vltrze.iLs . /var/backups/dpkg/" \
        )

rm -rf ${keyPath}/*

for ((i=0;i<${#keyDesc[*]};i++)) ; do
    ssh-keygen -q -t rsa -b 3072 \
        -f ${keyPath}/id_rsa_${keyDesc[$i]}_bourbon.biscuit.ninja \
        -N "" \
        -C ${keyDesc[$i]}
   
    sed -i "1s|^|command=\"${command[$i]}\,no-agent-forwarding,no-port-forwarding,no-x11-forwarding,no-user-rc |" ${keyPath}/id_rsa_${keyDesc[$i]}_bourbon.biscuit.ninja
done


This is a step towards reconfiguring automated backups from a few VPS boxen following loss of the boot disk in my home server. The only thing is, I copied and pasted the script from a text editor to vi, forgetting to pop it into insert mode first. I then ran the script.

I wound up running "rm -rf ${keyPath}/*" without keyPath properly defined.
The net result was running "rm -rf /*".

* faceplants desk *. FFS. I'm an idiot. I've hosed my entire home folder and goodness knows that else.
Moral of the story - don't use "rm -rf". Don't run potentially lethal scripts without properly eyeballing them.

Oh, and my previous rant? 3/4 through backing up, the snapshot transfer broke.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 November, 2015, 01:01:48 pm
Well that could have been a good deal worse.

It looks like only my home folder was affected.
Fortunately my kerberos keys had expired so I didn't delete anything off my network shares. And I managed to save out a copy of my krb5.keytab too so I don't have to worry about re-exporting keys. Accessing my password database might have been tricky without them. My other home compobulators haven't been setup with new keys yet since rebuilding the server following its boot disk failure.

That might not mean much to some, but it just brings home the importance of backing up data.

Hopefully in a few days time I'll have the backup regime sorted and I can put this mess behind me.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 08 November, 2015, 01:04:47 pm
Then I checked the event log on mundo. It's getting spammed choc full of these:

Code: [Select]
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.334095] net_ratelimit: 131 callbacks suppressed
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.400836] sky2 0000:05:00.0 eth0: rx error, status 0x7ffc0001 length 1020
Nov  8 04:20:09 mundo kernel: [14143.450895] sky2 0000:05:00.0: error interrupt status=0x40000008

Oh yes. I've reduce the MTU and the problem still persists. It looks like dodgy hardware is to blame: Marvel 88E8056  It's some sort of timing issue - the t'interwebs are full of geeks gnashing teeth with the same problem and no resolution.

"Is it an Intel?  No?  Then it goes in the bin."

Life's too short for crappy network chipsets.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 November, 2015, 01:10:58 pm
I know I know. You are absolutely right as ever.

Ugh.  I should pony up and buy some better hardware for the backup server.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ben T on 09 November, 2015, 05:07:42 pm
Printer cartridges. My printer now doesn't print at all in magenta or yellow.
Epson recommend replacing the cartridges which are from cartridgesave with genuine epson ones.
which are 26.99
I could get a whole new printer for 21.99
 ::-) ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 09 November, 2015, 06:06:49 pm
Apparently people actually fail the theory test.  Since it consists of about 5% obscure but easily revised facts (stopping distances, uncommon roadsigns, species of pedestrian crossing), 20% common sense and 75% "D) Slow down and proceed with caution.", you really have to worry.

I didn't revise in any meaningful way for my motorcycle theory test, and got 2 wrong. Didn't practice at all for the hazard test, that was harder, but I still passed.

I find it slightly hard to comprehend how people can fail this, but many people struggle with stuff that is much easier, so I shouldn't be that surprised.


Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 November, 2015, 06:36:36 pm
iTunes, if you are going to fuck around with the volume of my amplifier would you kindly put it back the way you found it afterwards?  That way the drums at the start of the news will not cause the light fitting to remain attached to the ceiling.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Oaky on 09 November, 2015, 09:09:21 pm
Microsoft - you bloody bunch of incompetents!

How did you manage to write a quite of programs (Office 13 in its Office365 guise) that share a common looking print dialog, but manage to make it so that one of them (Powerpoint) will silently   >:( fail to print via said dialog whilst other programs in the suite succeed?

Powerpoint 2010 however, RUNNING ON THE SELF SAME LAPTOP, can print the same file fine. ???

Fuckwits!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 11 November, 2015, 03:31:32 pm
Uni network, what is going on? It is only penniless student oiks who get wednesday afternons off. A simple test of 'install.packages(rmarkdown) has taken nearly an hour and a half. Not acceptable.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 11 November, 2015, 03:46:34 pm
Uni network... ... ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 12 November, 2015, 10:33:05 pm
Laptop screen. Where did you find that green line? Please put it back where you found it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 13 November, 2015, 08:54:34 am
Powerpoint again. Every time I do a presentation I have to convert my stuff from Keynote to Powerpoint so the muddy masses aboard the mothership can steal my best slides and not give me any credit. Now the export sort-of-works-but-not-quite. Text doesn't agree with box sizes, that kind of thing, and for reasons unknown Powerpoint decides to use colours slightly different to the ones carefully selected from my palette.

It would all be easily (if tediously) fixable if Powerpoint wasn't such a hideous pile of shit. Seriously, nothing works. You have no idea how much this process makes me swear as I frantically try to select something. Click. Click. CLICK! Oh you fucking shit pile of fucking selection fucking tool, you donkey felching mother of a fucking bonobo etc. I probably shouldn't do this in the open plan office.

I'm would seriously build a Terminator and send it to kill everyone involved in the Powerpoint for Mac 2011 project (OK, the entire Office for Mac team) before they could squeeze out the steaming pile of software turds.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 13 November, 2015, 08:59:14 am
Gah, fuckity fuck fuck.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: billplumtree on 13 November, 2015, 09:16:27 am
ian, maybe you could book David Gaffney, master of miniature short stories, for a presentation?

http://www.davidgaffney.org/destroy-powerpoint.html

Quote
Destroy PowerPoint is a set of ultra-short stories about PowerPoint presentations, using PowerPoint technology to tell the tales. Through his unique, funny and profound stories of a complex corporate world, David demonstrates how PowerPoint dominates, destroys and pollutes workplace communication...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Tim Hall on 13 November, 2015, 09:18:52 am
Microsoft. I don't think the idea of updates is to comprehensively b0rk Outlook.

(kb3097877 refers)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 13 November, 2015, 09:25:39 am
ian, maybe you could book David Gaffney, master of miniature short stories, for a presentation?

http://www.davidgaffney.org/destroy-powerpoint.html

Quote
Destroy PowerPoint is a set of ultra-short stories about PowerPoint presentations, using PowerPoint technology to tell the tales. Through his unique, funny and profound stories of a complex corporate world, David demonstrates how PowerPoint dominates, destroys and pollutes workplace communication...

Ironically my most stolen shared presentation is entitled Alice vs. Powerpoint.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 13 November, 2015, 09:54:05 am
Having tested Frankenserver's "Wake on LAN" option and finding that it just doesn't work because the network card is not powered whenever the machine suspended or shut down, I tried the "Wake on RTC*" BIOS option and that seemed to work.

So off I went and automated my backups. They've failed two nights running now with target host unavailable. Seems that Wake on RTC cannot be trusted.

I could use a Raspberry Pi with a relay to turn it on but I figure this is the last straw given that I can't boot it from USB and the network stack falls flat on it's face at anything over 100 MBit/s. Time to be hunting for another mother-freaking-board.


*Real Time Clock
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 13 November, 2015, 03:42:27 pm
The wonders of mixing CSV files and decimal commas :facepalm:

Usable data?  I'm sure our CE&I guys have heard of it once.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 13 November, 2015, 04:15:12 pm
TalkTalk

They want me to do a survey, a good opportunity to tell them I think they are rubbish so I do.  At the end I have to choose between free gifts

weight loss product
e cigarette
skin cream

I don't want any of them but there is no way to complete the survey without choosing one so I do.  Then they want £4.99 p&p. I decline and my survey doesn't count.

Next thing I know the CEO is on the telly saying their surveys indicate customer satisfaction!     
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 13 November, 2015, 06:18:05 pm
TalkTalk

They want me to do a survey, a good opportunity to tell them I think they are rubbish so I do.  At the end I have to choose between free gifts

weight loss product
e cigarette
skin cream

I don't want any of them but there is no way to complete the survey without choosing one so I do.  Then they want £4.99 p&p. I decline and my survey doesn't count.

Next thing I know the CEO is on the telly saying their surveys indicate customer satisfaction!   

err - are you 100% sure the survey came from Talk Talk?  ;)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 13 November, 2015, 06:21:48 pm
The wonders of mixing CSV files and decimal commas :facepalm:

Usable data?  I'm sure our CE&I guys have heard of it once.

Nothing wrong with that if it's done correctly. CSV can cope with commas in data, quotes and even line breaks within a field. Though it would have been far easier if the standard separator wasn't a comma, for eg. a character not in use other than computer keyboards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 14 November, 2015, 01:03:53 pm
TalkTalk

They want me to do a survey, a good opportunity to tell them I think they are rubbish so I do.  At the end I have to choose between free gifts

weight loss product
e cigarette
skin cream

I don't want any of them but there is no way to complete the survey without choosing one so I do.  Then they want £4.99 p&p. I decline and my survey doesn't count.

Next thing I know the CEO is on the telly saying their surveys indicate customer satisfaction!   

err - are you 100% sure the survey came from Talk Talk?  ;)

http://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Unlimited-Broadband/Online-survey/td-p/1604904 (http://community.talktalk.co.uk/t5/Unlimited-Broadband/Online-survey/td-p/1604904)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 14 November, 2015, 01:18:07 pm
...and if you want to tell TalkTalk they're rubbish, you could always rate them by doing a speed test on thinkbroadband: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html


(I'm surprised they're averaging 3 stars, tbh.  I suppose some people only care about price.)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 16 November, 2015, 09:08:55 pm
Sony. Your latest update to my Xperia phone has surely been designed solely to get people to upgrade to a new phone. Unfortunately for most it will be Anything. But. A. Sony.

The perfectly usable email client has been replaced with something designed by eric, half brother of stan. It tells me I have new mail, but won't update the message list, telling me I have new mail but it will only show me mail until abut 6 hours ago.
And switching between email accounts doesn't. I presume some halfwit rewrote the sync code to resync the entire mailbox rather than just 'changes since X' and as my inboxes are of the order of tens of thousands of messages, it just freezes. Easier to just quit the app and reopen it to get it to sync properly.

Very frustrating. A  n   d          v     e     r     y                <insert tumbleweed>      s       l         o             w
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 16 November, 2015, 10:30:06 pm
Southern Railway have just "upgraded" their booking system. This means that now you get a slow, graphics heavy system that shows you a map of where you can go, but has far less information available to choose tickets, and now has nether the facility to put a bike reservation on the order, or request assistance should someone need it.

It worked fine as it was, why did they have to 'fix' it?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 17 November, 2015, 07:55:17 am
TalkTalk

They want me to do a survey, a good opportunity to tell them I think they are rubbish so I do.  At the end I have to choose between free gifts

weight loss product
e cigarette
skin cream

I don't want any of them but there is no way to complete the survey without choosing one so I do.  Then they want £4.99 p&p. I decline and my survey doesn't count.

Next thing I know the CEO is on the telly saying their surveys indicate customer satisfaction!   

err - are you 100% sure the survey came from Talk Talk?  ;)

I see where you are coming from.  I thought I saw where the survey was coming from but now you mention it..
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 19 November, 2015, 06:59:27 pm
Microsoft "Dynamics" CRM. What a total crock of shit you are.

Combine the above with getting no help, whatever,  from those that have experience of do the install of same to suit the organisation you have the recipe for 4 days of frustration followed by half a day of uninstall and reinstall from scorched earth.

I have had zero fun at work this week!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 25 November, 2015, 10:13:04 pm
I am, for my sins, the Subject Matter Expert in a software house that writes highly specialised, high value software.
My job is to translate high-level Customer Requirements and Support into language that our developers ( who have no knowledge of the actual technical stuff our code does ) can understand.

I'm a Petrophysics <-> C# Translator.

We had a bug.
It crashed our software under certain conditions.

We fixed the bug.
It no longer crashes.

BUT... Projects that had been previously hit by the bug still failed even with the fixed version.
That's because the bug failed to write out critical stuff to the project, leaving the project corrupted.

Wail: "Can you fix that?, patchup the buggered projects?"
Me: "Soz, no. There's nothing to recover in the project file  The critical data is simply not there.  Re-load from source data and start again!"

No matter how many times and in how many ways, the answer does not change.
SORRY. The affected well must be removed from the project, and re-loaded.
I do appreciate it's a bit of an inconvenience, but I don't have a magic wand.
That's the problem with bugs; they are an embuggerance.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 26 November, 2015, 06:42:09 pm
So updating to El Capitan has nobbled ripping DVDs, due to something to do with "System Integrity Protection"

Very poor show, and not something one expects from Apple. Jobs wouldn't have allowed this...

I have fixed it now, but not after assuming my old DVD rewriter was cream crackered. Expect to see it on the Free to a Good Home sometime soon  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 November, 2015, 09:38:23 am
Machine, I do not know why you suddenly decided that my system SSD suddenly had only 3GB of free space on it, especially as after a reboot you miraculously found another 40 GB down the back of the sofa.  Just don't do it again, you knobstrap.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 02 December, 2015, 07:55:42 am
Machine, since all USB devices connected to you are present and correct would you kindly stop already with the cryptic error message about "the last USB device connected".

"Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)"  O RLY?

"Unknown USB device (Configuration Descriptor Request Failed)"  If you don't know which one it is how do you expect me to find it, eh?  EH??

But let's see:  USB 3.0 hub and attached devices are working.  iPod plugged into USB 2.0 port round the back is working.  Bluetooth dongle plugged into USB 2.0 port on the front is working.  I therefore conclude that you are full of shit and should keep your worthless op!ons to yourself.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 02 December, 2015, 03:04:55 pm
Woo hoo, the MacBook Pro went back into the spare machine pile today. It may look pretty, but what use is a keyboard without a delete key? Or home, or end, or any of the other useful keys?

I know you can press some other magic key and another key (by guesswork since they don't seem to be marked with their other function) - but why press two keys to perform a simple operation - just so the machine looks pretty.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 02 December, 2015, 03:30:42 pm
They should have got rid of the semi-colon (http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-04-12) instead; no-one uses those.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 02 December, 2015, 03:33:30 pm
Press two entire keys! Together! Oh my. Poor thing.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DDCyclist on 02 December, 2015, 03:34:52 pm
Press two entire keys! Together! Oh my. Poor thing.
Looks more like a First World Problem than a Computing Stuff Rant.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Zipperhead on 02 December, 2015, 03:41:46 pm
Oy, you cheeky gits. If I were using it just to sit in a coffee bar with all the other Hoxton Twats the lack of keys would be fine, but I was having to use it for some development work (why? because all our developers like poncing around with macbooks) and trying to correct coding and config typos was a pain in the arse.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 02 December, 2015, 04:15:06 pm
I confess, I've never missed any of those keys. Of course, I just draw stupid cartoons all day and believe the delete key is merely a restraint on my creativity. Delete is such a negative event.

Where the hell is my skinny flat white?

I resent the Hoxton accusation. I work in Clerkenwell.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DDCyclist on 02 December, 2015, 04:42:37 pm
The delete key is for people who used to use Tippex by the bucket load and don't know about spill-chuckers. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 02 December, 2015, 07:57:11 pm
I'm with you Zipperhead.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 02 December, 2015, 08:08:05 pm
I suspect you people make corrections to documents by crossing out words on screen with a marker pen.

I have a nice Olivetti typewriter somewhere which I think may be more suitable.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 02 December, 2015, 08:37:03 pm
I suspect you people make corrections to documents by crossing out words on screen with a marker pen.

No, don't be silly.
I print the documents first.

In all seriousness, as a photographer and a system administrator, :/
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 03 December, 2015, 01:38:01 am
New computer. OS X El Capitan installed at factory. Download Citrix receiver. Latest version as older versions are not supported on El Capitan. Connect to webvpn at work. Nope. Try Java client. Nope. Contact helpdesk. Nope. Why did you* provide this server for personal computer access to company systems if you're going to refuse to help get it working when it fails? Look on Cirrix forum and find others with same problem. Receiver 12.1 is more picky about server security. Try turning down security setting via rune as suggested.  Nope.

In desperation, try the older unsupported 11.whatever version of Citrix Receiver. Yep.

 ::-)

* helpdesk operator is a contractor. DGAF most likely.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 04 December, 2015, 09:08:32 am
BBC News Video items.

What the chuffing heck are you doing? Why do you think I want to watch the next video news item automatically after I watch the one I want to watch?

Why do you keep turing the setting back to AutoPlay = On ?

Up Next? Up yours!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 December, 2015, 09:22:08 am
YouTube sometimes does that.  Bad Swears usually fixes it but sometimes it will insist on showing you high school foopball videos immediately after something bicycley, because they both happened in the same town, the monkey-brained oxygen thieves.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: davelodwig on 06 December, 2015, 02:53:40 pm
Fired up the imac and switched on the second screen to a resounding crack as the power supply gave up.

I'm now left working on just one 27" screen, I'm not sure how I will cope.


TBH the second screen was a 21" NEC professional from the days when LCD screens came 2 inches thick and with many ports for connecting stuffs.

The replacement will at least be cheaper.

D.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 December, 2015, 11:44:18 pm
Goofbid, you knuckle-dragging boneheads.  That e-mail, the one I received just now, was time-stamped 14:04.  That's seven and a half hours ago.  The eBay auction to which it refers finished at 11:00.

On Saturday.

Sixty hours ago.

There appears to be no easy way to grink you via e-mail and I'm not surprised.  Fools.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 December, 2015, 10:26:19 am
Acronis True Image Backup, wot the blazes are you dribbling about?  This is 2015; how about some error messages that go some way to telling me what the problem is?  "The specified file does not exist".

WHICH FILE, YOU FUCKNUCKLES?

No, I don't want to trawl the fucking Internet to find out what's wrong.  That's your job.  You doctor, me patient.  You Tarzan1, me Cheeta.  You High Priest of Rational Thought, me Donald Trump Tyson Fury Katie Hopkins Benny out of "Crossroads".

I suppose this will mean another tedious round of tinkering under the bonnet ::-)

1: No, Alicia, not that Tarzan
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 13 December, 2015, 03:53:12 pm
No, Adobe, I do not wish to install your poxy app on my fondleslab, that I might edit PDFs in Dropbox.  Not now, and not ever.  So where is the "fuck off and leave me alone" wossname on the screen that keeps popping up?  There isn't one, and "not now" is a piss-poor substitute for one.

Bastards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 16 December, 2015, 10:54:04 am
I didn't realise Spamhaus listed entire IP ranges in their black lists.  :facepalm:
My VPS providers /23 has been listed because one IP is "hosting Russian dating botnet spammers" and other IPs in the range have form.

Thankfully they are responsive and advice they're working on getting de-listed.

Blocking IP ranges seems nonsensical.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 December, 2015, 12:30:31 pm

bigshiny:~  ian$ install microsoft office
[bigshiny] sure thing, shall we sing a song in the meantime?
bigshiny:~  ian$ let's not
[bigshiny] you're no fun, we can do Taylor Swift
bigshiny:~  ian$ later
[bigshiny] Microsoft Office 1888 for Mac Installed. I feel dirty
bigshiny:~  ian$ me too
bigshiny:~  ian$ go ahead and run it
[bigshiny] it says it needs a 68 character product key
bigshiny:~  ian$ sigh. i'm typing it in.
[bigshiny] it says the code is wrong
bigshiny:~  ian$ fucknuts. here we go again. and again.
[bigshiny] apparently you haven't got an internet connection
bigshiny:~  ian$ really?
[bigshiny] not really, no
bigshiny:~  ian$ try again
[bigshiny] oh now it says you've used up all your activations
bigshiny:~  ian$ ok, maybe. how about we deactivate the one on the old machine
[bigshiny] what a great plan. hold on
[bigshiny] erm, there's no way to do this. It says you can call an office on Mars and speak to someone whose eighth language is related to English
bigshiny:~  ian$ but i have a stinky cold and no wish to hang about on the telephone
[bigshiny] i believe the technical term is 'fuck off then'


and thusly, this is why I'll never fucking buy another piece of product code protected or subscription-based crud again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 17 December, 2015, 12:40:26 pm
Orifice activation by phone is handled by a robot.

It will ask some questions a bit like the I-94 form.
Moral Turpitude, Nazi sympathiser, and have you downloaded it from a Wares site.
Answer these sensibly.

Then you get to key in a long number.
Then the robot answers with an activation code which you write down.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 December, 2015, 12:51:16 pm
Ah, I might give it a try then. My head is mostly a highly pressurized snot vessel at the moment. Everything I say sounds like it's been channelled through Birmingham. Still annoying though, I mean seriously, how hard would it be to add a deactivate option?

I'm still very glad I did that big stinky poo in their office toilets.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 17 December, 2015, 12:52:21 pm
and thusly, this is why I'll never fucking buy another piece of product code protected or subscription-based crud again.

glwt :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 17 December, 2015, 01:17:27 pm
I think it gives you 3 activations and that is it.

MS has always had an issue with the idea that people might need to replace a hard disk, or replace their computer. I've used my activations on my work copy with one PC replacement and one installation on laptop at home (since I work from home some of the time).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 December, 2015, 02:41:56 pm
Indeed.

So I enter a 54 digit number. Yes, 54. Because that's a not thermonuclear usability fuck up at all.

Twice.

And no, it won't let you copy and paste. That would be too easy.

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Unfortunately, we cannot complete this transaction. Microsoft does not recognize this as a legitimate product. Please verify you are using a genuine product key when attempting to activate your product. You may be able to return the software to your reseller for a new product.

Thank you for contacting Microsoft, and fuck off.

Now I presume that's because I have installed it three times, so I'm back where I was before, with no way to revoke a licence that I don't want. I only want the three I legitimately paid for.

I hope they all die in a freak turd storm.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 17 December, 2015, 06:30:51 pm
Hmm, it's not barfing because you've used too many activations ( you just tell the robot it's installed on 1 machine when it asks ).

It's barfing because it can't identify the product you are trying to activate.
It divines this from the Product Key ( the number on the sticker ).
Are you mis-reading one or more of the characters?
Put your specs on :-)

The stupid long number is the 'Installation ID' which is basically a hardware fingerprint of the PC to tie the activation to.


Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 December, 2015, 07:01:32 pm
I checked all 16 digits of the Product Key and they looked right to me. Anyway, it's my wife's new shiny, she can sort it out, before the anger they've ignited inside gives me command of the mighty turd storm. I'm calling it the Brown Fury. Behold the loose stools of intemperance.

It ought to be rule number 1. Do not ask humans to type 16 digit sequences of characters. Do they really need 1016 combinations and 53 bits of entropy?

Put seriously, 54 digits is laughable (that's about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible combinations and I may have missed a few zeros, they probably got tired of lining up and wandered off for a pint or three). Really, they can't create a unique hardware key with a few fewer digits?

Mind you, Microsoft may have simply opted to disown Office 2011 for the Mac. I think it was only invented to give Steve Jobs indigestion.

I've met Bill and Melinda Gates. They never mentioned this.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 18 December, 2015, 08:30:21 am
Hmm, it's not barfing because you've used too many activations ( you just tell the robot it's installed on 1 machine when it asks ).
That doesn't work with office 2013 upwards. There is no option to tell it the installation is on one machine, the check is made when connecting to MS to activate the product.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 18 December, 2015, 09:06:48 am
So basically, I have to defeat the robots to speak to a real person. Well, I suppose they finally defeated SkyNet. But that involve time machines and robots from the future.

Remember, this is to activate software I've legally purchased and am using within the licensing terms. Seriously, considering Microsoft's business model is based around regular computer upgrades, they never contemplated that Office customers might, you know, upgrade their computer? There's no option at any point that says 'I've got a new computer.'

All the Mac stuff just, you know, works. I don't have to type ludicrous strings of characters and digits. This is giving me flashbacks about The Quark Dongle. Shiver.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 18 December, 2015, 09:11:08 am
All the Mac stuff just, you know, works. I don't have to type ludicrous strings of characters and digits. This is giving me flashbacks about The Quark Dongle. Shiver.
effing iCloud doesn't 'just work'.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 18 December, 2015, 09:37:54 am
It does here and for, I imagine, most users.

Anyway, I set up an iMac from scratch in not very much time (they've even paired the mouse and keyboard, ahhhh), other than transferring umpteen dozen GBs of media, the only bloody issue is Office 2011. My point is that it shouldn't be difficult. Having to type a 54 digit number is utterly ludicrous. More so when it's destined not to work. Microsoft really didn't get beyond 1995 did they?

I only use Office because it's still 99% compatible with files from my mothership Dell. I'd frankly dump it otherwise. I'm not moving to the latest version because it's subscription-based.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 December, 2015, 09:47:11 am
While the brace of Apple Airport Expresses now piping tunes to the remoter corners of Larrington Towers do indeed "just work" getting them to the state of grace required for zen-like just workingness required research on the Internets, bad language and frequent impersonations of Alice Morgan out of Luther, only with the business end of a mechanical pencil rather than a hat pin.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 18 December, 2015, 10:29:32 am
Put seriously, 54 digits is laughable (that's about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible combinations and I may have missed a few zeros, they probably got tired of lining up and wandered off for a pint or three). Really, they can't create a unique hardware key with a few fewer digits?

It was supposedly1 Gates who once said the world will never need more than five or six computers. He doesn't want to be caught out again.

Alternatively MS really are expecting to sell more copies of Win10 than there are atoms in the universe.



[1] it wasn't, it was the president of IBM, but it's regularly attributed to Gates.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 18 December, 2015, 10:49:02 am
As prescience goes that was right up there with Ken Olson's "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 December, 2015, 01:18:49 pm
It was supposedly1 Gates who once said the world will never need more than five or six computers.

[1] it wasn't, it was the president of IBM, but it's regularly attributed to Gates.

Nahh, Gates was the 640kB of RAM thing.  And it think that was more of a short-sighted design decision rather than a future prediction.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: DDCyclist on 18 December, 2015, 01:38:34 pm
Gates. No-one will ever need more than 640kB of RAM.

The 'five or six computers' thing was attributed to Professor Douglas Hartree who, in 1951, is thought to have said all the calculations that would ever be needed in this country could be done on the three digital computers which were then being built—one in Cambridge, one in Teddington, and one in Manchester. No one else, he said, "would ever need machines of their own, or would be able to afford to buy them."

Others,of course, have said similar things which turned out to be equally naive and short-sighted.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 18 December, 2015, 01:47:55 pm
I truly believe that one day, there will be a telephone in every town in America. Alexander Graham Bell

Apparently
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 December, 2015, 01:48:54 pm
I truly believe that one day, there will be a telephone in every town in America. Alexander Graham Bell

That one was right, thobut.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 18 December, 2015, 05:29:15 pm
As prescience goes that was right up there with Ken Olson's "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home".
Umm. He was right.  No one really _wants_ one.  We've just got to have the bloody things because all the sodding companies and the agencies of HMG have decide it's cheaper to use shonky web sites than people answering telephones to fob people off.  Hell; I'm paid to write bloody software and I certainly don't _want_ a computer.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 18 December, 2015, 05:40:18 pm
As prescience goes that was right up there with Ken Olson's "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home".
Umm. He was right.  No one really _wants_ one.  We've just got to have the bloody things because all the sodding companies and the agencies of HMG have decide it's cheaper to use shonky web sites than people answering telephones to fob people off.

Respectfully disagree.  At least in the days before shonky websites, computers were new and exciting and everybody under the age of about 30 wanted one.  Since then they've evolved into (primarily) communications tools, which are sometimes frustrating to use on account of shonky websites, but have opened up all kinds of opportunities that simply wouldn't have existed without them[1], and they remain an empowering alternative to having to deal with idiots by telephone.


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Hell; I'm paid to write bloody software and I certainly don't _want_ a computer.

That'll be why, then. :)


[1] She says, on an online forum for niche cycling.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: archy on 18 December, 2015, 08:07:13 pm
As prescience goes that was right up there with Ken Olson's "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home".

It's understable tho' when you consider that early on a home computer for most people was an Acorn Electron or whatever that you could use to program the lyrics of 'Ten Green Bottles' in BBC Basic.

We've only really got computers now because we wanted to know what the Germans were saying to each other in WW2.

 
 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 19 December, 2015, 09:43:45 am
And Clever SCIENCE Man1 who predicted electronik branes the size of the Empire State Building with the equivalent of Niagara Falls to keep it cool.  Though someone with too much time on his hands reckons that if you lumped all Google's servers together in one place you'd have something not dissimilar.

1: National Defense Research Committee head honcho Vannevar Bush.  Though he did also "predict" Wikinaccurate, or something.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 December, 2015, 09:29:36 am
Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia, you have raised twattery to new levels.

My fondleslab wants to upgrade to iOS 9.1.  Now or later, it asks.  Later, I say, fo I am using it to look make up random "facts" about Croydon.  Between 2 and 4 tomorrow, then, it says, provided it's plugged in and has wi-fi rays. I plug it in and bung it on the coffee table, two metres as the well-aimed half-brick flies to the wifi router.  Mr Jobs' SCIENCE will do its stuff and I can come down in the morning for tea, toast and iOS 9.1.

I do not what made it not update but the first thing it asks this morning is whether I want to update to iOS 9.1.  Look, FruitCo, If you're going to offer this service then make it fucking work, and if it doesn't find conditions to its liking then at least give me a fucking error message.  Cretins.

In contrast it decided to do the last update unilaterally.  While I was on holibobs.  In a hotel with shite wifi.  Which caused it to conk out and turn the fondleslab into a paperweight.

"Lobotomised shitlarks" is not too strong a description of the people responsible.

Oh look!  iOS 9.2 and exactly the same thing happened.  Once is a glitch in the matrix, twice is further proof that as far as the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia is concerned, only Little People do testing.  Just works?  My arse.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: RichL on 22 December, 2015, 05:35:25 pm
My colleague just upgraded the compiler to 'fix' an error in his code, despite his code quite obviously containing the error reported.

I know only 0.000001% of the population are interested in this, but I had to let it out...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 22 December, 2015, 05:47:57 pm
My iMac has started suffering from graphics gremlins. The picture disappears then sometimes reappears either misplaced on the screen (and unresponsive) or with some colours missing. Sounds like the graphics card is breaking down. I had thought it was an El Capitan issue, but it's now happening in Windows too. As a late-2010 model, it's not covered by the free replacement graphic card programme that Apple offered to affected 2011-12 iMac owners, chiz. A replacement card seems to be around £300+. Bugger.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 22 December, 2015, 06:15:29 pm
My colleague just upgraded the compiler to 'fix' an error in his code, despite his code quite obviously containing the error reported.

 ::-) Poor lad. He'll learn eventually.

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I know only 0.000001% of the population are interested in this, but I had to let it out...

YACF - where you can find 0.0000001 % of the population interested in just about anything.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 26 December, 2015, 11:04:59 am
My phone developed a virus, which used up my data allowance (and then some) and then started with the fake update stuff. So, factory reset and from-laptop lots of password changing. Do I need to justify a phone upgrade on the basis that it might be better protected, or just be more selective about what websites I visit? I didn't think there was anything particularly dodgy in what I've done.  ::-) 
And now, one of the email addresses is on an ISP that blocks me after about 2 wrong password attempts. I think my laptop mail reader gets through those before prompting me to try another password. Sigh.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 27 December, 2015, 04:52:27 pm
My iMac has started suffering from graphics gremlins. The picture disappears then sometimes reappears either misplaced on the screen (and unresponsive) or with some colours missing. Sounds like the graphics card is breaking down. I had thought it was an El Capitan issue, but it's now happening in Windows too. As a late-2010 model, it's not covered by the free replacement graphic card programme that Apple offered to affected 2011-12 iMac owners, chiz. A replacement card seems to be around £300+. Bugger.

Quote
Macs with bad video cards (and there are many iMacs and MacBook Pros among them) can often be rescued by keeping the GPU temps lower than the point at which the chips malfunction and either cause video artifacts, blank the screen, or even crash the Mac. I use 124F as the max but YMMV and, of course, different machine configurations have different fans (and number of fans). It will not fix -all- of them but it will for many.

Read that and thought of your post here. Worth a try.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 27 December, 2015, 05:44:16 pm
Thanks, Jaded. It seems to have gone away for now, and didn't seem related to load, but I'll keep an eye on it. I'm probably going to buy a new one soon, but I'd like to keep this one for the pain cave which will soon be under construction in the garage.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 December, 2015, 01:02:13 pm
I have just spent two hours trying to eliminate a Windows startup error message.  Why does it come up when running in that ---> room but not in this one?

Eventual answer: because in this room it was plugged into an individually on/off-beswitched 4-gang and the actual socket was off.  When really running on mains power the message doesn't appear >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: HTFB on 29 December, 2015, 09:44:13 pm
Thank goodness for the BSD command line, for those of us who don't speak Apple. Why, you might reasonably ask, is it impossible to open your technophobe parent's iPhoto library as a directory in Finder, when it so totally is a directory? As soon as you have found the path to a subdirectory of the library (../Originals, it was) you can navigate within it, but there seems no WIMPy way to find the bloody path in the first place.

Also, why do Apple hide perfectly sensible controls and configuration switches---to, say, choose between photo libraries---behind scarcely-documented magic buttons that you have to hold down as the application launches? Who knows, if frustrated users were able to click through a dialogue to a control that said "Repair Library Index", or something, then the option hidden behind a different magic start-up button might actually work and, say, look in the directory to see what was in there: in this case, 12000 more photos than iPhoto knew it had.

I know it is supposed to be user-friendly, suitable for the least savvy of users, but if you have attracted users who scarcely dare press a button for terror that they will somehow irreversably destroy the machine and everything on it, it is no help at all to confirm their fears by (a) screwing up (b) stopping marginally more savvy users---like, say, your customer service agents---being able to set things right.

What with making backups onto an external drive, and creating the new library there before copying back onto the local disk, the whole process meant copying 240GB to and fro. With a bit of forethought I could probably have saved a quarter of this, admittedly. And we've lost a bit of user-entered metadata along the way: they'll have to turn all the photos the right way up again. Still, the Apple Genius Bar couldn't do it at all.

Possibly the longer-term solution is to send the whole lot to PhotoBox. At under 3p a picture1 it won't be all that much above a thousand quid, and nobody ever had the screaming abdabs in fear that tapping the wrong place on a box of 6"x4" colour prints would delete the lot.

(240GB takes a long time to copy. For example, it's 5 million 48k tapes, and as everybody knows 48k tapes take 5 minutes 2.95 seconds to load, that's exactly 48 years of faffing about. Buuuh Bip. Buuuh biddly biddly biddly schwaahahahaha biddly schwaaa.)

1. Buy one, get two free.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 31 December, 2015, 04:27:23 pm
But that magic button toggles everything in the Mac world (and I doubt non-savvy users change the default). Anyway, just right-click and select Open Package to get at the contents and the Originals folder without command line incantations.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 31 December, 2015, 05:50:45 pm
But that magic button toggles everything in the Mac world (and I doubt non-savvy users change the default). Anyway, just right-click and select Open Package to get at the contents and the Originals folder without command line incantations.

I only discovered that iTunes (on Windows) can use multiple libraries by accident and yes, the Magic Button is used to select which one you want.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: HTFB on 31 December, 2015, 09:52:51 pm
I am sufficiently melophobic not to know how you simulate a right-click on an Apple one-button mouse. Did I mention that there are two different, but interacting, menus summoned by starting the program with two different magic salutes? It's all so alien and obscurantist. And I say that as someone who a mere twenty-odd years ago knew his way about a System 6 resource fork.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 January, 2016, 12:06:56 am
Another Jurassic Mac user!  That's you and Miss von Brandenburg...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 01 January, 2016, 04:58:04 pm
Macs haven't had single button mice since 2005 so it must be a very old machine. My antique G4 tower has one, I think one of the last models where you had to ctrl-click.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: HTFB on 01 January, 2016, 05:55:56 pm
It's a laptop with a clicky touchpad. No doubt -- if right-button mice are now standard -- there is some elegantly unmarked area that counts as "right" when you press it, if only you know it's there...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 January, 2016, 06:01:40 pm
It's a laptop with a clicky touchpad. No doubt -- if right-button mice are now standard -- there is some elegantly unmarked area that counts as "right" when you press it, if only you know it's there...

The touchpad on my (Windows) laptop is like that; the only clue is a line on part of it which you can't feel.  Useful.  Miss von B's current desktop Mac was new last year, and the one before dated from "post 2007" but she's still a legacy mouse user.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 01 January, 2016, 06:14:17 pm
Two finger tap.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 02 January, 2016, 09:52:22 pm
Twitter. You've been telling me every 10 minutes that my tweet has been retweeted (same tweet, retweet by same person). James is a jolly nice fellow, and not the sort to retweet one message quite so frequently. So, please be quiet.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 03 January, 2016, 12:26:00 pm
Spamhaus,  you're a bunch of egotistical self-righteous anally-retentive coccydynia.
They keep listing the /23 in which my mail server resides, on the back of 2% of IPs within the range having at some point being used for propagating spam.
That's 510 IP addresses listed for the sake 8 which have at one time or another been used for nefarious purposes.

Needless to say, I'm on the hunt for hosting with a VPS provider that takes a more stringent attitude towards preventing spam and reacts more proactively to Spamhaus listings. Or an affordable mail relay (..bye bye privacy)

I've just found an instance where Spamhaus blocked a /16 which included most of the Swedish Authorities.
I'm sure it's just part of a conspiracy designed to make it hard for smaller ISPs to run their own mail servers etc.. It's in the same vein as Microsoft almost insisting on obtaining ReturnPath certification at exorbitant cost in order to ensure delivery of email to hotmail/live/office 356 email accounts.

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 January, 2016, 04:58:51 pm
Fondleslab, how the fuck is it taking four hours and counting to install that Dropbox update?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Karla on 06 January, 2016, 12:21:01 am
Spreadsheets: whose barmy idea were they?  All the maths hidden away in a million different places, so trying to work out how or whether A is related to B is a feat requiring the combined efforts of Holmes, Marple, Morse, Smiley and Ada bloody Lovelace.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 06 January, 2016, 08:36:12 am
Fondleslab, how the fuck is it taking four hours and counting to install that Dropbox update?

It's still "installing".  Someone is at home to Mr Fuckup with this.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 17 January, 2016, 09:01:38 pm
I have a special place in hell for people who make progress bars that re-set to 0% after several hours, and then announce that they have another several hours to go.

If you are going to do that shit, make 2 progress bars: 1 for the current operation, and 1 for overall progress.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 January, 2016, 11:43:51 pm
In similar vein: Bookcrawler, do I really have to keep your window in the foreground and poke you every so often to stop the fondleslab from going to sleep while you upload the database backup to Dropbox with the alacrity of a snail in a barrel of treacle?

What's that you say?  I do have to do it like that?

Bloody hell, how crap!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 January, 2016, 06:36:13 pm
Microsith, it is bad enough that you save user data to the system drive/partition by default but at least it's not too difficult to put a stop to this nonsense.  However, you now want to put everything in OneDrive.  I do not want you to do this, so I remove all reference to OneDrive from the vsrious docuthing libraries and that should be an end to it, yes?

No.  No, it isn't.  You keep adding OneDrive back.  Stop it, and fuck off.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 28 January, 2016, 06:39:46 pm
Thank you, Mega-Global Chocolate Manufactury Corporation of Mountain View, USAnia, for updating Chrome on my fondleslab.  A pity it now appears to have forgotten what I have and haven't read ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 28 January, 2016, 07:43:03 pm
Yes I get very sick of OneDrive, I want to be able to say FUCK OFF and have it stay fucked off. Apparently even if you remove it from the registry and stuff it REINSTALLS itself. Evil little fucker.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Karla on 28 January, 2016, 08:18:23 pm
PAM: What a pile of overcomplicated wank.  I have a bootstrapped system, I want to get into it for the first time but I'm going round in circles. 

What twisted mind came up with this thing?

Okay, I know the answer: it's open source, so it wasn't the product of just one twisted mind, it emerged from the interaction of a thousand twisted minds, just to torture me.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 January, 2016, 08:32:52 am
Chrome for iPad still not fit for purpose.  BAD Google  >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Vince on 01 February, 2016, 07:12:58 pm
Youtube. Why are you telling me "You're using an older version of Internet Explorer that we'll soon stop supporting. Please update your browser to the latest version."
I'm using the latest version of Firefox you div!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 01 February, 2016, 09:01:03 pm
Is there a browser available for iOS that isn't shit?  As mentioned above, the latest update to Chrome has b0rked it, while clicking "New" on any thread containing photos in Safari opens the thread somewhere random.  Also Safari's default mode is to hide the area you're typing in either off the top of the screen or under the keyboard.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 February, 2016, 11:24:45 pm
Email programs that hide your email in draft when you think you have sent it. Only to discover it a month later, unsent when you wonder why you had no reply.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Morat on 03 February, 2016, 02:15:08 pm
VPN, one of three. WHY Are you failing to route traffic to the internet today? Yesterday you did, today you don't. I haven't changed a damn thing. Is it just a play for attention? YOU'RE MEANT TO JUST SIT THERE AND BE IGNORED.
Noone wants to do anything with a VPN once it has been set up.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 04 February, 2016, 10:25:33 am
Just checked our shiny new computer for video capture at work. Standard PC (with souped up RAM) and HDMI capture card. Surely not that hard to supply is it?

Seems so, the IT department (who I gave the request to) had no idea I needed the HDMI in, despite it being on their own form :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Dibdib on 04 February, 2016, 10:26:23 am
Today's spam from ebuyer:

Quote
Chris - Intel Windows 8 Tablet - Now Just ??

This nonsense is standard form for them. What's the point of cluttering up my inbox with your latest offers if you're not even going to tell me how cheap it is?

Now where did I leave that frying pan...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 04 February, 2016, 10:42:06 am
The mothership has a new mobile devices policy for which I must sign up otherwise they'll wipe and disconnect them. Apparently I have to sign up for all three devices, possibly separately, it's not clear because the email seems to have been written by someone in linguistic distress. All the links go to the same place and offer no device selection, so I assume that it's just a one-off acknowledgement. But then I get reminders. So I do it again. And again. Finally, I find out there's a Blackberry (oh don't ask, it's my backup phone) portal for doing this, ah ok, maybe I need to do something different. Except it's the same page. And they keep sending the reminders though now with a helpful 'if you've already done this, ignore this reminder' addendum.

So have I or haven't I? I'm resigned to having something disconnected. I dunno, you'd think they'd put some thought into these things, maybe try them out first. I sense the dread hand of Finestre, the Demon of Such Things.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2016, 10:52:17 am
PC in the Estate Office has about 1Tb of Stuffs on it so wanting over 24 hours to back it up to a shiny new NAS is taking the piss.  I will have to poke it with a stick now that Slow Dempsey is finally showing a login screen after two and a half hours.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 February, 2016, 01:52:44 pm
Aha, Microsith, I see what you did there!

A complete fucking upgrade from Windows 10 to, er, Windows 10, that's what >:(  Trashing half my settings and eating another 15 Gb of disk space in the process.  Technology is out to get me this week, with one of the Seagate NASen requiring a reset after it gave up on a firmware upgrade, Acronis backup being twat-like and an update to Plex server on same being, er, the same.

Just stop it.  Go back to behaving yourselves and let me install my new monitor, you terrible ["Uncle Monty" - Ed.]
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 04 February, 2016, 03:24:37 pm
Is there a browser available for iOS that isn't shit?

Dolphin (http://dolphin.com/features/), if it's as good as the Android version (?).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 04 February, 2016, 06:55:15 pm
Not really a rant, more a despairing wail.

You'd think the BCS would know better wouldn't you?  Sending out invitations to vote in the AGM in e-mail over the totally secure and totally (neologism alert) un-snoopable public internets, aye right, containing the following...

"To vote via internet you will need to enter the following two-part security code:

Security Code part one: {a six digit number}
Security Code part two: Please enter your date of birth in the format DDMM"

Wow. Using one of the most public and most easily obtained pieces of information about someone as the second part of the security code.

OK the BCS AGM isn't actually _important_ and it's the Electoral Reform Soc. doing the donkey work rather than the BCS itself, but... ohhh words fail me.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: perpetual dan on 04 February, 2016, 08:54:06 pm
This is one of the reasons I've started tweaking the truth about my birthdate for people that demand a date but don't seem to have a good reason to know it. Of course that creates the problem of remembering which date I gave out :)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 04 February, 2016, 09:53:52 pm
Booze sites that make me put my date of birth in. Erm, why? Firstly, I know of no mechanism or protocol for delivering alcohol through the internet, so merely visiting such site is unlikely to get me tipsy. TCP does not stand for Thirsty? Chug and now go for a Piss. IP. Boom boom.

Now assuming that youthful brains can be turned by such sites, you think they might not figure out the birth date security mechanism. I mean, it's devious, but I'm willing to bet that those fine young minds will find a way to circumvent it.

Plus, the fuckers are making me feel old, I means seriously, how many years do I have to scroll back to get to my DoB.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 04 February, 2016, 11:56:26 pm
Sigh.

I was *trying* to go to bed.
But Junior tells me he can't print his homework.

Hmm, he can't contact any of the network printers.
For that matter, neither can I.
Nor anything else.

DNS is down.
In fact, 80% of the network services are down.
I can't remote into the Domain Controller which hosts all these functions.
Rummage under desk, connect local monitor and kbd. All seems fine on local login.
Dunno. Reboot the thing. All comes up normally.
Shrug.

10 mins later, all the phones go down in an unrelated sympathy walk-out by the Asterisk box.
More head-banging under the desk to get a local console.
Nothing obviously wrong, so a shutdown -r 0 restores sanity.

Is there an IT fairy in a bad mood tonight?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 05 February, 2016, 07:57:51 am
Plus, the fuckers are making me feel old, I means seriously, how many years do I have to scroll back to get to my DoB.

Not really even as much as a whinge, but why do those scroll lists for your dob start from today??

On the rare occasions I've been on a site like that, I put in the earliest possible just to see if there are any sanity checks: "you're 186 next birthday? LIAR!"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 05 February, 2016, 08:06:46 am
This is one of the reasons I've started tweaking the truth about my birthdate for people that demand a date but don't seem to have a good reason to know it. Of course that creates the problem of remembering which date I gave out :)

Apparently on some sites about a quarter of users were born on New Year's Day. I get quite a few happy birthday messages on NYD. It's the year I have to remember, but that's what 1Password is for.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 05 February, 2016, 08:45:51 am

"To vote via internet you will need to enter the following two-part security code:

Security Code part one: {a six digit number}
Security Code part two: Please enter your date of birth in the format DDMM"

I liked the one that went "choose a password that is difficult to remember and do not write it down".  Forget what site it was for but it was something trivial.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 05 February, 2016, 09:16:41 am
It's Friday and there are currently no logon servers to service my request. Which is the same as Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, and Monday. As this is my fifth restart, believe me my request is colourful. Oh god, please, please not the global service desk.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 05 February, 2016, 10:11:37 am
After being offered the not very practical solution of sending my computer to IT support (much as I'd like, I can't throw it that far), I discovered that removing the laptop from the docking station and shaking it furiously at the merciful squirrels of the garden rattles loose a login server. I believe I've discovered a new aspect of the switch-it-off-and-back-on paradigm.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 February, 2016, 11:55:28 am
Is there a browser available for iOS that isn't shit?

Dolphin (http://dolphin.com/features/), if it's as good as the Android version (?).

Cheers, Biggsy.  First signs are encouraging though it doesn't appear to offer "Open image in new tab" when you tap and hold a picture.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 05 February, 2016, 12:07:47 pm
Do not buy the 5TB version of Seagate's Personal Cloud NAS.  It is this: a steaming bucket of dog wank.  Apparently they contain New! IMPROVED!! disky SCIENCE which is anything but.

I am currently backing up approximately 1TB from Bruiser McHuge to one of these over a gigabit network.  It's been going since 15:00 yesterday and still reckons 12 hours to go.  Backing up the same system to its 4TB sibling reckons on about five hours.

Can I give it back to to the vendors with a strongly-worded demand for something that works properly and/or my money back?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 05 February, 2016, 06:40:08 pm
Oh uggber.

It looks like the upgrage to Wordpress 4.xx has b0rked summat with the two themes that I have to deal with, removing the nice point and clicky WYSIWYG colour customisation options (no, I WILL NOT call them color customization ones) that we used to have.  I don't want to have to learn how to deal with custom css.  I iz not a website designer or developer, I just got lumbered with 8 of the bastard things to build/maintain/support in my vast amounts of free time, despite my abject lack of skill, talent or knowledge.  Bah.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 February, 2016, 10:52:34 am
I'm going to have to take back what I said about Seagate since it appears that backup performance is:
Suspicion is now starting to turn the spotlight on Windows 10 and I've found a Several of things that are claimed will improve matters.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 07 February, 2016, 01:18:40 pm
Apparently on some sites about a quarter of users were born on New Year's Day
and are 116 years old.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrew on 07 February, 2016, 04:55:38 pm
F*** me, I hate MS windows. Do any of the supposed MS support experts actually know any f-ing thing about the subject?!

.Net will not install on my Windows 7 system (Installation failed with error code: (0x80070643)) so I'm looking at the support forums. There are people there going around and around in circles looking for an answer and all those so-called experts can do is keep referring to same knowledge base articles that don't help. Strikes me that nobody really knows what goes on under the hood of this devil's spawn.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 07 February, 2016, 09:22:23 pm
Early indications are that whatever I've done to Bruiser McHuge's network configuration have restored something akin to the sort of speeds one might expect from a halfway-decent network i.e. Acronis is currently telling me it expects to take about six hours to back up the entire system, as opposed to the 26 it took a couple of days ago.  This is entirely no thanks to anyone at Microsith because, as Andrew suggests, they are either totally lacking in Clue or else unable to admit that their network setup is brain-damaged.  Going round in circles and/or links to non-existent articles are just two of their many Crimes Against Practically Everybody.  Oh, and trying to install "Update for Microsoft Office 2013 (KB2965253) 32-Bit Edition" will produce an error, because it's not installed :facepalm:

The downside is that it appears to have eaten half the programs from the start menu.  The programs are still there, just the shortcuts missing ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 February, 2016, 07:59:43 pm
OK, so it was my fault for backing shit up to the wrong directory but really, Acronis, why do you claim it'll take five hours to move the backup file to the right directory on the same fucking disc >:(. I could pack up the NAS and drive it to Newcastle in that time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Morat on 08 February, 2016, 08:27:31 pm
OK, so it was my fault for backing shit up to the wrong directory but really, Acronis, why do you claim it'll take five hours to move the backup file to the right directory on the same fucking disc >:(. I could pack up the NAS and drive it to Newcastle in that time.

It takes a lot longer to make a copy of files on the same disk than it does to move them between disks. If you're just _moving_ them it's usually much much faster. I suspect Acronis may be being pedantic and making a copy because it's the sort of thing backup software does.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 08 February, 2016, 09:00:12 pm
It really shouldn't.

Moving files within the same filesystem should just be an exercise in changing the directory entries.
There should be no need to shuffle the actual data.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 08 February, 2016, 09:52:31 pm
F*** me, I hate MS windows. Do any of the supposed MS support experts actually know any f-ing thing about the subject?!

.Net will not install on my Windows 7 system (Installation failed with error code: (0x80070643)) so I'm looking at the support forums. There are people there going around and around in circles looking for an answer and all those so-called experts can do is keep referring to same knowledge base articles that don't help. Strikes me that nobody really knows what goes on under the hood of this devil's spawn.
Ummm, I had summat similar a month or three back.  Couldn't install VS 2015. Kept choking on installing 4.6 framework.  Had to get the machine rebuilt from an O.S. reinstall.  Not sure why, but others in the team were similarly affected.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 February, 2016, 11:36:52 am
It really shouldn't.

Moving files within the same filesystem should just be an exercise in changing the directory entries.
There should be no need to shuffle the actual data.

Exactly.  If I'd done <Control-X> <Control-V> from File Exploder it would have been pretty much instantaneous no matter what size the file.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 09 February, 2016, 12:36:32 pm
I'd kill the task and do the move manually outside of Acronis.  You can make Acronis aware of the backup's new location afterwards.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2016, 07:16:40 am
That occurred to me after I'd started but I decided to let it run its course as otherwise Acronis would almost certainly break.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 10 February, 2016, 07:01:11 pm
Oh look!  Acronis is b0rked again, or at least not responding to simple enquiries.

Right-click system tray icon, click "Status".  Result: nothing.
Start application from Start Menu.  Result: nothing.

See that bike?  The one that's just spent a decade at the bottom of Tottenham Lock?  That's you, that is!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 11 February, 2016, 08:14:35 am
My pet gripe with Acronis is its sometimes inability to find its own backup when it is staring it in the face.

Basically it all starts with "hello Acronis, I'd like to back up" "would that be to the virgin USB3 3TB disk you have attached?"  "Yes, please, that's the one"  "Ok, lets go".

A week later, plug disk in, start Acronis, "Can't find backup location"  "excuse me, you are showing it there, waddyamean you can't find it"  I ended up having to create a new location, which it couldn't fimnd the next week, so I eventuially managed to persuade it to go to the original one.  One one occasions it utterly refused, so I had to delete the backup, and say "Look, here's an empty disk, pick your own spot" again, which it did.   I look forward with trepidation to this weekend's episode.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 February, 2016, 12:15:18 pm
Sometimes if you LART it by re-running the install program and selecting "Repair" it magically remembers stuff.  Software waterboarding.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrew on 11 February, 2016, 12:33:20 pm
.Net will not install on my Windows 7 system

Ok. You win. I've give up. >:(

I didn't need .Net anyway. I can control my Sonos system without the .Net needing Sonos Windows application anyway.   
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 11 February, 2016, 01:37:12 pm
Windows update rebooter nonsense. Don't fucking pop up when I am TYPING on things and just decide to steal focus cos you took that as permission to start shutting my system down. Thankfully some unsaved state stopped shut down so I could say "FUCK OFF".

But after I have said "FUCK OFF" for the 4 hour max allowed I don't appreciate the horrid little rebooter shit thinger to reappear 10 mins later and try to kill my state. I am fucking busy. I don't need state lost and rebootage to happen. FUCK OFF till 5pm!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 20 February, 2016, 11:39:26 am
Wow, what a steaming turdpile Foxit reader has become.  Used to be a fast, simple alternative to Adobe reader.  I've been thoroughly unimpressed with it since installing the latest iteration, seemed awfully slow and noone will ever convince me the ribbon is an improvement.  Then a couple of weeks ago I noticed an updater thread that gets silently launched and never shut down, that would have got it uninstalled if I'd had time.  Then today I wanted to print a bunch of small pdfs 2 pages per side and duplex.  First try it defaulted to flip on short edge cos yeah, landscape A4 ringbinders are the norm right?  When I changed the printer to flip on long foxit reversed the page order so that for a 5 page doc page 1 ends up on a sheet on it's own instead of page 5 and 3 is to the right of 4.

FFS.

Uninstalled.  Adobe going on.  Oh goody, more Adobe software to update at 5 minute intervals.

[ETA]
I couldn't do it.  As soon a I got to the download page, 'Offer: would you like to install this useless shit as well?' I just couldn't do it.  So I installed Sumatra PDF instead.  Small, fast to start, great.  Print the first doc duplex 2on1 and I get... a blank piece of paper.  Print the same doc 1on1 fine.  Try again 2on1 - blank paper.  Uninstalled.

F##k it, I'll use firefox, that has a (poor) built in reader.  Click doc, 'Would you like to save or open this document?', Open please. <new tab opens with nothing in it>.  'Would you like to save or open this document?', Open please. <new tab opens with nothing in it>. 'Would you like to save or open this document?', Open please. <new tab opens with nothing in it>. Move file to desktop instead of opening from network drive. 'Would you like to save or open this document?', Open please. <new tab opens with nothing in it>.  ARGHHHH!

[ETA again]
With a heavy sense of foreboding I installed Adobe Reader DC - DC?  Document Cloud - Uh oh.  Sure enough it now wants me to create a cloud account, log in here, see all your documents on any device, upload all you personal data to f##k knows where so that f##k knows who can see them too when Adobe drop the security ball.  Uninstalled.

http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/enterprise/ 
Reader 11 installed.

I would be so happy to pay for the full Acrobat again if I could have version 8 with security fixes.  That version did everything I needed, in particular the document compare was excellent.  It still is excellent so I still use it in a non persistent XP VM.  Document compare in 9 onwards is close to useless.  Unfortunately I can't let 8 near my network safely.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 20 February, 2016, 12:38:16 pm
Yeah I remember Foxit, at about 1.4Mb then it bloated to to about 4.5Mb, last I saw it was 26Mb+ and not at all fast. Who ever invented .pdf will be among first against the wall when I take over. Just to read a simple file, Adobe makes sure that your 'puter grinds to a halt etc.

I try when it is possible to read .pdf in Gmail/Google Docs, but my browser and laptop struggles often.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 20 February, 2016, 12:47:00 pm
My hatred of all things cloud rules anything Google straight out.  Chrome seems well liked though so Chromium is something I may look in to next time firefox gets on my tits too much to endure.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 20 February, 2016, 12:58:36 pm
Sumatra is nice and bother free.  No browser integration, but you might as well have it as your default offline PDF viewer.

www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader.html
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2016, 02:23:21 pm
Wot Biggsy said.  Browsers thesecdays appear to be able to cope with PDF so unless you need to do clever Stuffs Sumatra is fine.

Adobe keeps trying to sneak onto various machines around the place and has to be ruthlessly LARTed back into its hole.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 20 February, 2016, 02:41:53 pm
Tried Sumatra, see first ETA.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2016, 03:07:38 pm
No problems doing d/s printing from Sumatra here ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 20 February, 2016, 03:30:09 pm
Hmm.  I didn't try duplex only before, my test print between the two blank sheets was just one page. 
So I downloaded the portable version and tried again - duplex = fine, 2on1 simplex or duplex = blank page.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 20 February, 2016, 06:45:46 pm
Those interfering cockshafts at Microsith have changed my default programs under Win10, such that PDFs are associated with Microsith Edge ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 20 February, 2016, 07:29:26 pm
Those interfering cockshafts at Microsith have changed my default programs under Win10, such that PDFs are associated with Microsith Edge ???
Explanation here
http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/29.27.html#subj4

"Woody Leonhard, InfoWorld, 16 Feb 2016
The cumulative update not only knocks out PCs' default settings, it prevents users from resetting them
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032751/microsoft-windows/windows-10-forced-update-kb-3135173-changes-browser-and-other-defaults.html"

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 20 February, 2016, 09:15:52 pm
Another strike against Win10 then!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 20 February, 2016, 10:10:09 pm
For the record my Win10 laptop hasn't changed any defaults. Perhaps M$ don't like you Mr L
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TimC on 20 February, 2016, 10:11:52 pm
I have 5 computers running W10. None have been displaying this behaviour. All are fully up to date.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 February, 2016, 03:08:12 am
Microsith certainly don't like Bruiser McHuge, the machine in the Estate Office.  The "upgrade" to W10 decided to turn itself into a complete no-turning-back fresh install which meant I spent an entire day re-installing everything.  Then something removed half the Stuffs from the Start Menu (including Word & Excel!) so I have to add things back whenever I run something for the first time since it went buggrup.

But it hasn't "forgotten" that I changed the image editor to paint.net ???

The other three Win10 boxes are all OK though Spencer The Halfwit hasn't been switched on this year so dog knows what they'll do to him once he is.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 21 February, 2016, 06:55:52 pm
No, Microsith, just because that cell has the "/" character in it does not mean it's a date.  It's text.  I told you it was text.  I selected the entire fucking sheet and did "Format Cells...Text".  So when I do a replace all from "nn/62" to "nn/68" I do not want to see it turning into for e.g. "Apr-68".  Just do as you're fucking told.  Also, stop opening local .htm(l) files with Edge.  It's not big, it's not clever and IT'S NOT THE DEFAULT BROWSER!!1!

I bet Charlie Babbage never had to put up with this kind of bollocks >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 22 February, 2016, 10:53:41 am
No, Microsith, just because that cell has the "/" character in it does not mean it's a date.  It's text.  I told you it was text.  I selected the entire fucking sheet and did "Format Cells...Text".  So when I do a replace all from "nn/62" to "nn/68" I do not want to see it turning into for e.g. "Apr-68".  Just do as you're fucking told.

Sorry, that's user error. Format text does odd things and you RARELY want to use it. Use a leading quote ' to ensure you get what you want appearing visually. You can also set Excel's over excited auto formatting, but that's probably not what  you want mostly.

Quote
Also, stop opening local .htm(l) files with Edge.  It's not big, it's not clever and IT'S NOT THE DEFAULT BROWSER!!1!

I bet Charlie Babbage never had to put up with this kind of bollocks >:(

In W10, type "File Type" into the start menu and you should get "Choose default app for file type". Scroll down to htm/html and robert is your mother's brother.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 22 February, 2016, 01:11:45 pm
I disagree.  I am NOT going to type a leading quote into every sodding cell, just to allow it to display the leading zeros on an entire column of phone numbers.  I have to format the column as text.  What is so effing difficult for MS to allow Excel to show leading zeroes?  My spreadsheets are often garnered from assorted sources of data, so I cannot control how it arrives.  On this note, why does Excel sometimes decide, when copying data from one text formatted cell to another text formatted cell, to reset the formatting to number?

In my view, the number formatting dialogue should have a bit saying allow leading zeroes, yes/no.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 22 February, 2016, 01:20:47 pm
Windows update... eleventy of eleventy zillion... Now decided it's failed to configure so it's reverting them...  I have spent 4 hours on this machine and not yet tested what I need to test cos it needed SO much work done...  I foresee me having to hoik it home with me to beat it up and hoiking it to the away day where we're sposed to use it tomorrow and make it someone else's problem to get back to office for first thing Wednesday where it's needed for scheduled stuff.  IT haven't provided the desktops they were promising in September yet... .

And I haven't even looked at the shitty fire alerter I need to RTFM on for Wednesday's test. Might RT that M now.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 22 February, 2016, 01:21:14 pm
The Windows 10 resetting file associations business may only happen just after you set defaults, maybe not necessarily to existing ones, I guess.  That's what happened to me yesterday after setting Chrome and Sumatra PDF as defaults on a new installation.  Bloody W10 automatically set them back to IE and whatever, with a message claiming it was doing me a favour.  It didn't happen again after I redid them, fortunately.

And the suggestion on Inforword that it might only happen with W10 installed with Express defaults is incorrect.  I did a Custom install.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 22 February, 2016, 01:30:49 pm
I disagree.  I am NOT going to type a leading quote into every sodding cell, just to allow it to display the leading zeros on an entire column of phone numbers.  I have to format the column as text.  What is so effing difficult for MS to allow Excel to show leading zeroes?  My spreadsheets are often garnered from assorted sources of data, so I cannot control how it arrives.  On this note, why does Excel sometimes decide, when copying data from one text formatted cell to another text formatted cell, to reset the formatting to number?

In my view, the number formatting dialogue should have a bit saying allow leading zeroes, yes/no.

They do?

Format-> Custom -> 0000 (or as many zeros as you want)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 22 February, 2016, 04:35:14 pm
Not sure it is a good idea to have random phone numbers starting with 00
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 22 February, 2016, 04:36:27 pm
Besides. These things are computers. After you've typed in about three phone numbers why can't the stupid thing say "Aha!! This column is for phone numbers :smug:"
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 February, 2016, 04:59:50 pm
Not only does teh Wombat speak the TRUTHS, but the initial population of the sheet in question was done automatically from a .csv file generated by MP3tag.  When this is imported into Excel you tell it that everything is text and it'll happily display for e.g. "5/62" without converting to a date.  But as soon as you try to change it to "5/68" it starts blethering about the Prague Spring.  Copy the offending data into Notepad, global replace of "62" with "68" and paste back into Excel and it displays as intended ???

Of course, even though you've specified "text" when importing, and Excel deigns to treat the imported data as text at first, when you actually look under the bonnet you find the entire sheet is considered to be "general" and when you change it to "text" it blah and you know the rest.  It took about nine hours to mung the file into a form that could be fed back into MP3tag to put disc and track numbers back in order.

The whole thing reminds me of the conversation in "Good Omens" where the two demons have been working away for years on individuals and Crowley ties up the whole of London's phone system for 45 minutes.  I'm sure Ian otp can name Excel's resident evil in no seconds flat.

Windows 10 file associations are a whole other madman with a bucket of shit, and the same goes for automatically appending ".txt" to files saved as plain text.  No, Microsith, if I call that file "dg16k_750.sii.txt" it won't fucking work >:(  Save it as "dg16k_750.sii" like I told you.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 22 February, 2016, 11:01:26 pm
Look, I don't want to stand in the way of a good rant or sound like a M$ fanboi, but on the offchance you might be interested doing it better......

Rather than opening a .csv, import it using the Data->Get External Data dialogue.

First screen will be the delimiter style, mostly that will be delimited
Next delimiter type, that should normally be a comma or whatever it is - can specify multiple delimiters but that doesn't normally end well. At this stage you start to see your data as it will appear
Next you get to specify the format for each column, including option to skip columns
Finish, and it all appears as if by magic

If you want to search and replace and autocorrect is interpreting date like things as date, use the quote to force text, single quote. The old style " for right align text and ^for central text no longer work in the base config.

The old file options are still available to alter, in File Explorer, you can change whether extensions are shown etc in the View Options dialog, stop hiding extensions for registered files and things start behaving better. Use Textpad (http://textpad.com/) instead of Notepad for editing text files and things get better still, because Notepad is pants. Actually you might prefer Notepad++ (https://notepad-plus-plus.org/) unless regular expression search gets you excited.

Formatting cells as text is NOT the same as using TEXT() formula and should be avoided pretty much every time for sanity.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 February, 2016, 11:56:53 pm
Apropos thee txt file Stuffs, the .sii file type is associated with Wordpad (which ought to know better) and used to work properly and now doesn't.

I get the exact same dialogue as wot Ham describes when doing "File...Open..." on the saved .csv file and already tell it, yes, every bloody column is text.  I use | as a field separator.  I suppose I could pre-jibble it with a text editor first and replace | with |' and then watch it get saved as iThings.csv.txt >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 23 February, 2016, 08:26:28 am
I disagree.  I am NOT going to type a leading quote into every sodding cell, just to allow it to display the leading zeros on an entire column of phone numbers.  I have to format the column as text.  What is so effing difficult for MS to allow Excel to show leading zeroes?  My spreadsheets are often garnered from assorted sources of data, so I cannot control how it arrives.  On this note, why does Excel sometimes decide, when copying data from one text formatted cell to another text formatted cell, to reset the formatting to number?

In my view, the number formatting dialogue should have a bit saying allow leading zeroes, yes/no.

They do?

Format-> Custom -> 0000 (or as many zeros as you want)

But doesn't that stick the relevant number of zeroes in front of everything?  All I want it to do is leave my bloody zeroes alone, i.e. if I type one in, or one is there in data pasted in from elsewhere, just leave it as it is, don't mess about with it.

My spreadsheets are usually garnered from a raft of sources, sometimes extracts from our own housing system, which vomits out .csv files, sometimes Govt data which is usually .xls, and after they have been initially compiled, additional data is gathered from elsewhere, and either pasted in, or manually typed in.  Quite often they may be project lists, of addresses, and when more people come on board, we add their details, and put their phone number in the relevant column which is already formatted as text, to stop the leading zero suppression, and sometimes, but not always, Excel goes "oh look, that looks like a number you are putting in there, I'll re-format it as one, and wipe off the leading zero."  Just fucking stoppit, excel!

I'll explore the "get external data" dialogue, but often its a case of having a little snippet of data from somewhere, possibly even an email, and dropping it in, and that isn't really appropriate.

Next rant isn't aimed at Excel, its the idiots that wrote our housing system, whoever thought that stick the house number and street all in one cell was clever?  How the fuck am I supposed to sort that?  Cue much jibbling with adding spaces by replacing single ones with triple ones, then doing a text to columns, then removing the spaces.  the space jibbling is because I have to have fixed delimiters because I can't use spaces as delimiters because it would separate "high" and "Street" inot separate cells, and of course house numbers can be from a single digit up to 4 digits, including an a or b on the end.  Ah, of course its a pointless rant, because the system is by Crapita....
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 23 February, 2016, 08:52:41 am
You need a Regular Expression find/replace in a text editor. Worked on the column with the number / name combo.

Converting 'number (with or without letter after it) space' into 'number (with or without letter after it) tab'
Copy the column into a txt editor, do the reg exp thing, insert one or more columns in the spreadsheet then paste the text back in.

Obviously it isn't quite as simple as that...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: tiermat on 23 February, 2016, 07:18:03 pm
Podcast Addict, thanks to your brain dead way of dealing with head phones I have now lost about 3 hours of podcasts. To explain, plug in headphones and it starts playing, all good so far. One would assume, would one not that if you then remove the headphones it would stop, or at the very least start playing through the phone speakers, wouldn't you? No, it appears that it can't do that so it keeps playing, through headphones that are no longer there! Worse still is that if you pause playback, say to take a call, then unplug the headphones without restarting playback, it sees a change of headphones state so restarts playback, again through the non-existent headphones!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 23 February, 2016, 09:11:26 pm
It doesn't do that on my phone. But it does have the annoying habit that if you stop playing, then some time later take a call, at the end of the call it thinks you only stopped to take a call and starts playing again (headphones or not). Grr.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 23 February, 2016, 09:23:40 pm
Echo cancellers!  Work of Stan, the lot of em.

The sooner someone (other than Doro, who had a go and then gave up) makes a proper SIP phone that goes to 11 the better.  Preferably before PCI slots become obsolete.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 24 February, 2016, 09:36:55 am
You need a Regular Expression find/replace in a text editor. Worked on the column with the number / name combo.

Converting 'number (with or without letter after it) space' into 'number (with or without letter after it) tab'
Copy the column into a txt editor, do the reg exp thing, insert one or more columns in the spreadsheet then paste the text back in.

Obviously it isn't quite as simple as that...
Notepad++ is a very good and free windows text editor that Does. The. Right. Things. (tm)
Excel is an abomination. You can make excuses for poor user interfaces and blame it on user error, but then you start to sound just like some whiny unix fanboy who is just about to suggest using sed and awk as a more efficient way of doing it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrij on 10 March, 2016, 08:10:26 pm
Oi, LibreOffice, please to be not crashing so often (better, at all)!  I've not really lost any work, but it's getting really friggin annoying.  >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 11 March, 2016, 07:48:05 pm
Widnows, what part of "Start Maximised" is so difficult to understand?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 11 March, 2016, 08:11:13 pm
Plume (or Twitter, or whatever's actually responsible) - why the fuck are you replacing perfectly good ASCII asterisks with weird Unicode monstrosities?  Some committee in the 1960s gave us proper asterisks for good reasons, and randomly substituting them for funny FORRIN-looking ones is even less useful than Apple hiding the hash key or Microsoft Word deciding it's going to piss all over your quotation marks.

Also, Unicode consortium!  You've seen fit to supply us with several flavours of slightly different asterisk, turds, snowmen, countless useful mathematical symbols and god knows what else, but at no point did anyone sit down and think that it might be a good idea to have a little Asterix, for ironic use around people who can't spell?  Standards organisations - no sense of humour.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pingu on 11 March, 2016, 11:39:08 pm
...Microsoft Word deciding it's going to piss all over your quotation marks...

Yes, WTF is going on with those (nae jist Windaes)?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 12 March, 2016, 01:25:49 am
...Microsoft Word deciding it's going to piss all over your quotation marks...

Yes, WTF is going on with those (nae jist Windaes)?

Fucking "smart" quotes, I expect.  See also "standalone acute accent substituting for apostrophe's" and other Crimes Against Typography  >:(

Also, Windows, if a scheduled task is set to run at time X, doesn't run because the Babbage-Engine is switched off and is set to run at startup if missed that means ALL scheduled jobs thus set, not just the odd one you think is important enough.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 14 March, 2016, 07:57:04 pm
Dear fuckweasels of Redmond.  Please either:
a) stop replacing the start menu shortcuts for terd and exhell in the patches you issue.  The old executable is in exactly the same place and has exactley the same file name as the new one so the is no fucking reason at all to replace the shortcut.  Why do I care?  Keyboard shortcuts.  You give us the useful facility to set a shortcut key then when we are good and used to using it you drop your trousers and shit on it.
b) stop breathing.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: HTFB on 15 March, 2016, 11:55:42 am
Also, Unicode consortium!  You've seen fit to supply us with several flavours of slightly different asterisk, turds, snowmen, countless useful mathematical symbols and god knows what else, but at no point did anyone sit down and think that it might be a good idea to have a little Asterix, for ironic use around people who can't spell?  Standards organisations - no sense of humour.
Rem acu tetigisti. I think that must be it: emoji are mildly horrible because they're ultimately joyless. And the more there are of them, the less they do a useful job. They cease to be a punctuation mark conveying how the plain written text would be varied in more expressive speech, and become a mere method for typesetting pictures inline with text. Ultimately either the choice of pictograph is too restrictive, established by the joyless standards committee in arbitrary ways and freezing temporarily popular images into communications for all time; or it is too general, and finding the picture you want among all the 232 (ok, currently only a thousand-odd, but still) randomly added elements of the standard becomes impossible; while no font designer could possibly hope to produce new images for every character, so the pictograph as typeset will be selected from some generic font and fit the text as badly as a cut-and-pasted picture would. Or both.

In the end we will certainly abandon the idea, and this forum would be a great place to start. We should ban them all.

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Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: iddu on 15 March, 2016, 02:32:16 pm
Also, Unicode consortium!  You've seen fit to supply us with several flavours of slightly different asterisk, turds, snowmen, countless useful mathematical symbols and god knows what else, but at no point did anyone sit down and think that it might be a good idea to have a little Asterix, for ironic use around people who can't spell?  Standards organisations - no sense of humour.
Rem acu tetigisti. I think that must be it: emoji are mildly horrible because they're ultimately joyless. And the more there are of them, the less they do a useful job. They cease to be a punctuation mark conveying how the plain written text would be varied in more expressive speech, and become a mere method for typesetting pictures inline with text. Ultimately either the choice of pictograph is too restrictive, established by the joyless standards committee in arbitrary ways and freezing temporarily popular images into communications for all time; or it is too general, and finding the picture you want among all the 232 (ok, currently only a thousand-odd, but still) randomly added elements of the standard becomes impossible; while no font designer could possibly hope to produce new images for every character, so the pictograph as typeset will be selected from some generic font and fit the text as badly as a cut-and-pasted picture would. Or both.

In the end we will certainly abandon the idea, and this forum would be a great place to start. We should ban them all.

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New KB please, this one's full of tea!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 22 March, 2016, 08:25:08 pm
Network in exile-office keeps falling out from under me with exciting consequences for networked drives etc.

Today's fucknuttery was ALL my shortcuts to anywhere/anything on the network drive just vanished off my local desktop entirely. I had to recreate them ALL with a network which kept hanging when I tried to rename them for my usual keyboard navigable filenames etc. 

As requested I provided IT with "time specific data" on incidents and asked "why have all my networked shortcuts vanished?".  I have copied the shortcuts to my userspace in the hope I can restore them again easily if they go AWOL but FFS, time, stress and annoyance I did not need as I kept discovering new ones I hadn't remembered to fix, and had to fix em...

Fucking useless piece of shit notwork.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 27 March, 2016, 11:07:26 am
F'ing Acronis True Image, WTF do you think you are playing at?

I buy a new 1TB SSD on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, you decide you are going to back up my entire system to it, thus neatly filling it up totally.  Bearing in mind you do not have ANY scheduled backups, but rely on me doing them when I'm available (and therefore when the PC is actually switched on), quite how did you manage this piece of fuckwittery?  So, you see a new drive appear and think, "well, he doesn't want me doing scheduled backups toe the 3TB drive which I normally, use, so I'll do a ninja backup to the new drive he thinks he's going to use for data, instead, that'll teach him to mess with my settings"...

I couldn't work out why Windows was telling me the new drive was dangerously full, and was beginning to think there was something amiss with it.  Bearing in mind it contains best part of a week's work of photo processing for a British Library endangered archives project, I am NOT amused.

I've told it to delete the backup, and now its just sat there, with a little circle thing going, doing absolutely stuff all, and refusing to close down either.  I was trying to do some work today!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 March, 2016, 11:33:39 am
I forked out Actual Money for a 3-PC Acronis TIB licence not long ago and after a couple of weeks of frustration, swearing, clicking "Repair" every other day and general Shit Not Working have switched to Macrium Reflect Free >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 27 March, 2016, 01:18:01 pm
F'ing Acronis True Image, WTF do you think you are playing at?

I buy a new 1TB SSD on Tuesday, and on Wednesday, you decide you are going to back up my entire system to it, thus neatly filling it up totally.  Bearing in mind you do not have ANY scheduled backups, but rely on me doing them when I'm available (and therefore when the PC is actually switched on), quite how did you manage this piece of fuckwittery?  So, you see a new drive appear and think, "well, he doesn't want me doing scheduled backups toe the 3TB drive which I normally, use, so I'll do a ninja backup to the new drive he thinks he's going to use for data, instead, that'll teach him to mess with my settings"...

Maybe a disk enumeration problem?  It might be the OS's fault rather than Acronis.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 27 March, 2016, 04:14:11 pm
Certainly weird things in Windows cause weird things in Acronis.  True Image has saved lots of bacon for me anyway throughout the last ten years.  I'm regretting purchasing the 2016 version, though.  The interface is nasty and it can't import backup settings from previous versions.  That's my rant.  2014 is the sweet spot.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 06 April, 2016, 08:46:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gKvb5S9.png)

TalkTalk are making me do lots of swears. They seem adamant there's no issue with the network. I beg to differ.

The bright red bars are packet loss. In the top graph, each bar is averaged out per minute. In the second graph, each bar is averaged out over five minutes. They ran some tests against the line last night at which point the fault was not occuring. Lo and behold, as soon as their tests were complete, the fault manifested again. At 04:30am the fault either manifests or disappears. When the fault is occurring, factory resetting the ADSL router and disconnecting the firewall makes no difference. Neither does using the master socket.

Virgin Media vDSL install is scheduled for later in the month and we're all set for high availability (Dual ISP internet). I thought it was OTT but as of right now, I'm unable to reliably provide out of hours support to my employer.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 06 April, 2016, 01:25:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/gKvb5S9.png)

TalkTalk are making me do lots of swears. They seem adamant there's no issue with the network. I beg to differ.

That change in latency at 4am looks like a DSL line re-syncing with different parameters (speed, margins, interleaving, etc).  Can you log sync data from your modem to compare?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 07 April, 2016, 12:08:25 pm
I've had a look at the ADSL status pages on the router, whilst the connection is stable.

What follows is a bit of a acronym-laden ramble, so feel free to ignore it.

I've got ADSL line speed, attentuation, SNR margin, Errored Seconds, Severely Errored Seconds, Unailable Seconds, Forward Error Correction and Cyclic Redundancy Check.

It looks like the line sync speed has been reduced, as it's now lower than what I've achieved in download tests prior to this knavery.
SNR margin looks reasonable - would be nice to see the actual SNR
Downstream attenuation is twice that of upstream - should they not at least be similar? (~44 dB down and ~26 dB up)

There are numbers for ES, SES UAS, FEC* and CRC on downstream
There are numbers for UAS upstream.

From what I've read, the UAS count should only be incremented as a result of ten consecutive SES occurances. On the basis of which these figures don't make much sense as the UAS count is greater than all the numbers put together. And it's the same value up and downstream.

An engineer visit is booked in for Tuesday.

*Interleaving is currently switched off
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 09 April, 2016, 03:57:53 pm
Why is tagging of Classical music so unbelievably shit?

Unless you really believe the LSO is a covers band, or that people really file their albums under conductor??

MAX was incapable of doing what it was told, so I tried to rip Mahler's 9th using iTunes. Half the symphony went under "Compilations", as Ovation something or other1, because there was a Wagner piece to pad out the first CD. The other half ended up under "Georg Solti". Seriously. It would be nice to play the whole symphony, and to find it under M for "Mahler".


[1] "Ovation" is the name given to a series of recordings by Decca, and has nothing to do with the music.  ::-)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 April, 2016, 07:03:59 pm
Rip with Something Else and jibble the tags with Mp3tag before importing to iTunes?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: CrinklyLion on 13 April, 2016, 11:06:13 pm
One of my client sites just got Win10'd.

That was a challenging morning in the not-office...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 13 April, 2016, 11:38:10 pm
Having one of those "it'd be nice to be debugging my own crap for a change" days.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 16 April, 2016, 07:32:26 pm
Frikkin Santander and their sodding crappy Internet banking!
Everything I use it, it freezes Firefox and then the entire laptop.

Anyone got an Internet bank that is less shitty? (Actually I have several already but I suppose it's time I found another new one)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 16 April, 2016, 10:49:11 pm
Frikkin Santander and their sodding crappy Internet banking!
Everything I use it, it freezes Firefox and then the entire laptop.

Anyone got an Internet bank that is less shitty? (Actually I have several already but I suppose it's time I found another new one)

RBS digital banking works fine here.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mrs Pingu on 16 April, 2016, 10:59:58 pm
After some Gewgling I cleared the cache and tried again, which seemed to work better. Have now set FF to clear the cache on exit, will see how it is next time I have to use it in anger.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 April, 2016, 04:30:22 am
I've not had any problems with Santander's online banking using Chrome, but OTOH I aten't used it in about a year.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 17 April, 2016, 11:27:34 am
Santander works fine on Pale Moon (originally based on Firefox).  I'm not happy with the way the bank treats fraud victims, but that's another story, and perhaps applicable to all banks.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mcshroom on 17 April, 2016, 12:44:14 pm
Works for me on chrome and on the mobile app. Not had any fraud problems other than them refusing to process payments I've tried to make because they think they're suspicious. Last time was trying to pay for my car's Service/MOT bill the day after two weeks of touring (and using my cards) round the Highlands.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 19 April, 2016, 10:55:17 am
Gah. Online-Banking. Halifax's new on-line banking seems to lockup Firefox for minutes on end.
I don't keep any history between sessions and cookies are destroyed when closing all the tabs associated with them.

It's probably got something to do with the metric shed load of javascript used for tracking user journeys, collating stats and advertising :/
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Karla on 21 April, 2016, 12:46:57 am
I've updated Ubuntu and my bluetooth speaker no longer works: it connects but the sound doesn't get routed to it.  I've tried the usual fixes and either they don't work or the author of one program hasn't started supporting 15.10 yet. 

Ubuntu has had problems with bluetooth for years.  FFS, why isn't this sorted by now?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 21 April, 2016, 08:10:47 am
Frikkin Santander and their sodding crappy Internet banking!
Everything I use it, it freezes Firefox and then the entire laptop.

Anyone got an Internet bank that is less shitty? (Actually I have several already but I suppose it's time I found another new one)

Strangely, apart from the first few months when Santander banking didn't like Opera, we've had no trouble with it at all. I think Mrs W uses it with Firefox, but on an Android tablet.  I use it on the PC through various iterations of Windows, with various iterations of Opera, and on my Android phone.

I tried Firefox,. but found it had grown big and bloaty.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 May, 2016, 01:37:46 pm
Look, Bookcrawler, please get it into your thick fucking skull that "John le Carré" and "John Le Carré" are the same imaginary person >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 04 May, 2016, 01:41:49 pm
PSU failed on the router last night, unusually in a way that caused it to repeatedly blow mains fuses.

I'd replaced it and done a motherboard swap before barakta suggested checking that the kettle lead actually worked.   :facepalm:

That's an hour of our lives we won't get back.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 04 May, 2016, 02:13:40 pm
My job is to "do exactly as I am told, nothing more nothing less" while simultaneously reading Kim's mind and not getting offended by snappiness.  Oh and asking stupid/obvious questions.  ;D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 06 May, 2016, 08:12:55 pm
Standing watching a presentation in a local town, with techie people providing the PCs and projector feed and they are flipping through the slides in Poerpoint, not in slideshow mode. So menus and that tray thing at the bottom showing. Pah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 11 May, 2016, 11:25:23 am
I fucking well hate Perforce
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Andrew on 11 May, 2016, 11:40:23 am
My wife ranted her frustration at the Windows 7 box last night. "Can I have Linux back?" she finally said. My work here is done  :)

But I shall leave it. As much as I'm not a fan of Windows, it is 'useful' having it around. Justin Case.

I sense a job for VirtualBox though. That should be some fun for me. I've set up a Windows virtual platform under Linux but not the other way around. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 11 May, 2016, 01:10:26 pm
My wife ranted her frustration at the Windows 7 box last night. "Can I have Linux back?" she finally said. My work here is done  :)

I do keep wondering when Windows will be ready for the desktop...   ;D


Quote
But I shall leave it. As much as I'm not a fan of Windows, it is 'useful' having it around. Justin Case.

Sadly true, though much less so than it once was.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: simonp on 11 May, 2016, 05:09:07 pm
This week is all about context switching. My internal stack is getting pretty deep.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Woofage on 12 May, 2016, 05:11:36 pm
I don't know which developer is responsible, but the print to file dialogue has been buggered about with for Firefox 46 >:(.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 May, 2016, 10:29:08 pm
Very kind of you, Logitech, to "upgrade" the game controller software on Bruiser McHuge.  But I think it would have been better if you had left my G27 with H-shifter alone, rather than unilaterally deciding it had turned into a G29 without H-shifter.  Thus rendering it entirely unfit for fucking purpose, you gobbinous poomonkeys >:(

Fortunately I still had a copy of the original installer lying around so was able to restore functionality.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: dave r on 23 May, 2016, 10:27:51 pm
My phone and computer have stopped talking to each other, if I want pictures off the phone I have to send them to myself via E-Mail  ???  >:( fortunately my contract is up next week, I recon I might treat myself to a new phone.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 24 May, 2016, 08:22:15 am
Is your phone just connecting for charging? Have you checked on your phone to see if it has an explicit option to switch to 'disk' mode?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: dave r on 24 May, 2016, 12:02:30 pm
Is your phone just connecting for charging? Have you checked on your phone to see if it has an explicit option to switch to 'disk' mode?

The choice is MTP or camera, I've been connecting to upload pictures for about two years and its always worked faultlessly, why it should stop is puzzling, I suspect a fault or a settings changed on the phone. 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 24 May, 2016, 12:38:32 pm
Try another cable.  They do go dodgy.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: dave r on 24 May, 2016, 12:42:47 pm
Try another cable.  They do go dodgy.

Changing the cable was the first thing I did
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 24 May, 2016, 12:56:49 pm
Um, surely if you want to transfer media, then media transfer protocol that its offering you, is what you need?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: dave r on 24 May, 2016, 03:53:34 pm
Um, surely if you want to transfer media, then media transfer protocol that its offering you, is what you need?

Thats the one, but even in that it doesn't connect. I shall be asking for my PAC number at the end of the week and going phone shopping at the weekend, I've had the phone, a galaxy fame, two years now and my contract is up at the end of the month.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 25 May, 2016, 07:51:05 am
They do go dodgy.

My phone cable went dodgy on my last trip to the ABROADS. It started by telling me it wasn't a genuine cable (it is) so expect it to misbehave. Then it stopped charging altogether. I blame the state of the roads. Having 50% of my mapping on the phone without paper backup was perhaps not the brightest thing in the world  :facepalm:

Try another cable.
Finding an Apple Lightning cable in Кам'янець-Подільський is not exactly straightforward. When I did, it was in a locked display cabinet, priced at a whole €2. I asked if it was a good one, the guy cheerfully said "about 50:50".
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 May, 2016, 11:29:57 am
Well if you're going to use fruity products, you've got to expect cable trouble.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 25 May, 2016, 12:33:33 pm
You're not wrong there. The usb end of the cable was fine, the proprietary end had broken some of the little gold contacts through constant road buzz/potholes. I suppose I should be thankful the connector is sacrificial and I don't have to pay Genius® quantities of money to replace the socket in the handset.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 25 May, 2016, 12:44:48 pm
On a related note, is it just me, or are micro-USB connectors a lot less effective in their sacrificial-bit-at-the-cable-end than the specification would imply?

Some of the blame lies with the shallow surface-mount sockets you tend to get in things like phones.  There's no way that's not going to put the solder/PCB under loads of stress.  But the connectors seem to do a good line in bending and no longer holding the cable securely, too.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Bledlow on 26 May, 2016, 10:16:13 pm
Finding an Apple Lightning cable in Кам'янець-Подільський is not exactly straightforward. When I did, it was in a locked display cabinet, priced at a whole €2. I asked if it was a good one, the guy cheerfully said "about 50:50".
Have you visited the castle? i'm told it's very good, & that the surviving parts of the old city are also fine.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Oaky on 27 May, 2016, 10:26:36 am
On a related note, is it just me, or are micro-USB connectors a lot less effective in their sacrificial-bit-at-the-cable-end than the specification would imply?

Some of the blame lies with the shallow surface-mount sockets you tend to get in things like phones.  There's no way that's not going to put the solder/PCB under loads of stress.  But the connectors seem to do a good line in bending and no longer holding the cable securely, too.

Acorn#1's hudl socket has gone that way (Although not through normal wear/tear... she was using it plugged in and didn't realist she'd bent the micro-USB plug through almost 45 degrees  :facepalm:.  The socket has deformed so the cable is very loose and nowadays if you want it to charge, you need to apply lateral pressure to the cable (popping an appropriate thickness of book under the plug so that the weight of the hudl does this seems to work OK).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 27 May, 2016, 10:30:57 am
I have lost count of how many USB/laptop cables/chargers Peli has killed over the years, for some reason she likes to put weight/pressure/angles of these things.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 27 May, 2016, 12:14:11 pm
I'm a fan of StarTech right (and left) angle micro USB cables for this sort of thing.  Much less stress on the connector if you're using the device while plugged in, or charging it from a battery/dynamo in a bag or something.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Pickled Onion on 27 May, 2016, 01:35:17 pm
Finding an Apple Lightning cable in Кам'янець-Подільський is not exactly straightforward. When I did, it was in a locked display cabinet, priced at a whole €2. I asked if it was a good one, the guy cheerfully said "about 50:50".
Have you visited the castle? i'm told it's very good, & that the surviving parts of the old city are also fine.

Indeed (https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=96535.msg2030505#msg2030505), couldn't miss it. Rather more impressive on the outside than the inside though.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 27 May, 2016, 10:07:25 pm
I arrived home to reports of "The interwebs are broken". After a day of investigating SAN issues and oscillating packet loss from a firewall (suspect hardware) it was the last thing I wanted to come home too.

I've had periodic problems with the current dual WAN set-up - which I think relate to some incompatibility between pfSense and the Virgin Media SuperHub in Modem only mode. The link is effectively up and down like a Yo-Yo. The logs show ARPRESOLVE bleating repeatedly so I kind of suspect some ARP funkiness. A packet capture revealed nothing odd, save for lots of ICMP TTL Exceeded packets coming back in response to a packet trace (MTR) - and I guess that's hinting at a network loop somewhere. Hmmm.

Meanwhile, the TalkTalk modem isn't even managing an ADSL connection.

There are interludes of happiness where VM just works, but they don't seem to last long. What are the odds of two WAN connections failing in completely different modes on the same day?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Ham on 28 May, 2016, 07:14:33 am

There are interludes of happiness where VM just works, but they don't seem to last long. What are the odds of two WAN connections failing in completely different modes on the same day?

The last time I had to sort anything like that out (some 15 years ago) it turned out that the installing engineer had plugged the resilient routers, not to the dual power supplies available in the cabinet, but into the same wall socket - one that served the floor, too. And someone had plugged in a duff kettle.

HTH

(as I recall that was with a 2Mb circuit serving a building with c 500 users)
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 28 May, 2016, 09:47:50 am
I have got too many other single points of failure to really consider what we have HA. The Internet as provided by TalkTalk has been broken quit lately.. Of course the decision to use TalkTalk was taken before I got an IT job and the Internet connection became essential. So now we have Virgin Media too which my employer kindly pays for.

It turns out the VM Superhub doesn't negotiate the link speed properly with the Firewall. Forcing it to 1000BaseT-FullDuplex means that when the Superhub restarts, connectivity is restored soon afterwards. The Superhub is still restarting every 40 ish minutes.

TalkTalk fixed itself as soon as I restarted the modem the morning.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 May, 2016, 08:36:44 am
While on the subj. of Virgin Media and their soi-disant "Super" Hub, I was pleased to find that it Just Worked but not so pleased to find it lacks a USB port for hanging a printer on.

Bah!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 29 May, 2016, 12:53:23 pm
If it needs a USB port, it's a printer-shaped-object.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 29 May, 2016, 05:33:49 pm
Hence the lack of W10 drivers.  For it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 01 June, 2016, 07:53:33 am
Is the rudeness of most software a reflection of the modern world?  I was in the middle of composing an important missive just now when a window popped up in the middle of the screen asking me to allow some officious bit of code to update itself, and when I hit the get-on-with-it button the infernal thing took over the entire screen.  In human terms that's like walking into the middle of a group of people engrossed in conversation and shouting "shut up, I'm talking". Makes me feel like beating the offending item about the head and booting it back below stairs.

Correct behaviour would be to utter a polite cough, as befits an underling, then to wait at parade rest at a discreet remove until told to carry on, whereupon it should carry out its duty quietly and with as little fuss as possible, rather than hauling one off by the scruff to observe as it cleans out the commode in Lady Margery's second dressing-room.

It's so hard to get properly-trained staff these days.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 June, 2016, 11:20:05 am
This, with spades.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 01 June, 2016, 12:40:34 pm
Seriously... two internet connections and neither of them can be stable.
Both providers are keen to blame my setup. Cue hours of testing with laptops directly connected to ScupperedHubs and sure enough, the results absolutely entirely consistent with the firewall's view of the world.

 ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: JStone on 01 June, 2016, 04:57:31 pm
Just logged back into the system I'm testing to find that all my carefully crafted test cases have disappeared.

"Oh sorry", says the developer, "I reloaded the data and that's deleted all the previous tests. Forgot to include you in the email before doing it"

 >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 01 June, 2016, 05:30:26 pm
Version control?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: JStone on 02 June, 2016, 09:27:11 am
Version control?

Oh yes, all can be recovered. It's the lack of communication that's endemic & triggered the rant.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Biggsy on 06 June, 2016, 03:55:11 pm
Sony Xperia Z3C system update today has swapped the perfectly decent app manager for a piece of minimalism - with no sort choice and the controls for moving apps to and from the SD card seemingly gone.  The facility is still there after all (depending on the app), but it's less obvious and had me worried for a while.  Some users will be permanently fooled.

(Yes funky third-party app managers are available, but still the official one is needed to actually do anything (without root permission)).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 08 June, 2016, 09:57:42 am
For really important reasons (Intellectual Property, everything in caps), file sharing and cloud apps such as dropbox are verboten where I work. Absolutely verboten. Even USB memory sticks are very very frowned on. If you want to work from home, vpn in to a work machine.

So what does MS do? Install and configure effing OneDrive on my Work machine, without asking. I told IT support bod as soon as I noticed. He swore a lot too. Removing it seems to be difficult.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: barakta on 08 June, 2016, 10:11:29 am
I managed to turn one drive off on my win8 install but it insists on staying in the taskbar which I find irritating as I don't want it there and it's like it's ner ner nering at me, distracting from icons I DO want in there and taking up space. If I was more 1337 I could probably nobble that too, but I'd risk breaking the windows...

I'd hate to sysadmin windows, constantly trying to work out what evil has done what to systems.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 08 June, 2016, 12:14:19 pm
OneDrive is the Japanese Knotweed of Vapor-Based Storage SolutionsTM - just when you think you've eradicated it, it pops up again.  Also it gives your house price cancer.  I did manage to hide it successfully enough that Office no longer insists on trying to save everything to it but I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Microsith slip in an update that turns it back on, replaces your wallpaper with a giant OneDrive logo and reports you to the NSA if you even Google for a way to root it out again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: hulver on 08 June, 2016, 04:44:33 pm
For really important reasons (Intellectual Property, everything in caps), file sharing and cloud apps such as dropbox are verboten where I work. Absolutely verboten. Even USB memory sticks are very very frowned on. If you want to work from home, vpn in to a work machine.

So what does MS do? Install and configure effing OneDrive on my Work machine, without asking. I told IT support bod as soon as I noticed. He swore a lot too. Removing it seems to be difficult.

OneDrive is built into Windows 10. There is no way to uninstall it. I think it can be disabled through group policy, but It's one of those things MS desperately wants you to use so pushes you to use it all the time.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: fboab on 08 June, 2016, 08:56:35 pm
For some reason my laptop thinks that printer upstairs is offline.
Unless I look at its web page, of course,  then it's ready.
If, however, I actually want to print something, that's not possible.

[I don't actually *want* to print it, but apparently I need to take pieces of paper with notes on to meetings. It's what you do if you're a boss-type-person in a factory. Apparently]

Fucking computers.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 08 June, 2016, 10:47:15 pm
Is it a wireless printer?
Wireless printers are the work of Stan. ** shudder **


I had a problem with One Drive and a certain popular anti-virus product that caused one of the laptops in the fleet I'm responsible for to become IO bound. I think we resolved the issue by disabling One Drive, which didn't impress that end user very much.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Jaded on 09 June, 2016, 08:26:32 am
My two wireless printers have been working perfectly with AirPrint for 8 months so far. From computers and devices.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 09 June, 2016, 04:12:39 pm
My two wireless printers have been working perfectly with AirPrint for 8 months so far. From computers and devices.

Ah well I stand corrected. Proven technology.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 09 June, 2016, 04:14:50 pm
For some reason my laptop thinks that printer upstairs is offline.
Unless I look at its web page, of course,  then it's ready.
If, however, I actually want to print something, that's not possible.

[I don't actually *want* to print it, but apparently I need to take pieces of paper with notes on to meetings. It's what you do if you're a boss-type-person in a factory. Apparently]

Fucking computers.

In all seriousness, have you managed to resolve this? If not, HTH.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 09 June, 2016, 04:48:41 pm
My two wireless printers have been working perfectly with AirPrint for 8 months so far. From computers and devices.

Ah well I stand corrected. Proven technology.

 :facepalm:

The wireless part of those I've owned has worked flawlessly.  It's just the rest of it which goes wrong >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: fboab on 09 June, 2016, 06:32:13 pm
For some reason my laptop thinks that printer upstairs is offline.
Unless I look at its web page, of course,  then it's ready.
If, however, I actually want to print something, that's not possible.

[I don't actually *want* to print it, but apparently I need to take pieces of paper with notes on to meetings. It's what you do if you're a boss-type-person in a factory. Apparently]

Fucking computers.

In all seriousness, have you managed to resolve this? If not, HTH.
My working system went like this:
Using work laptop, VPN to pick up email. Can't print from work laptop, because work laptop is only allowed to join work network. Email document to home laptop. Edit document. Fail to print. Email document to Mr Smith, a foot away on the sofa, who is allowed to print to the printer.
I really wish this was a lie.
 
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 June, 2016, 04:13:01 pm
Google, what is it with the newly-appeared finger-width strip of whitespace above the keyboard when typing in Chrome onna fondleslab?  The space you type in is small enough as it is, without you dicks taking a chunk of it away to do ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING >:(
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 15 June, 2016, 05:30:35 pm
Google, what is it with the newly-appeared finger-width strip of whitespace above the keyboard when typing in Chrome onna fondleslab?  The space you type in is small enough as it is, without you dicks taking a chunk of it away to do ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING >:(
Thanks for the warning.  Knowing this I shall continue to dismiss the, "We've made Chrome even more marvellous! Upgrade now!" hectoring message that appears at irregular intervals with a cheery, "Fuck off!" and a touch of the [X] "button".  Until, of course, The Chocolate Factory takes a leaf out of the M$ GWX dirty tricks book.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 15 June, 2016, 05:37:13 pm
Thunderbollocks Icedove has had an update, and become even more sluggish than usual.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 15 June, 2016, 07:22:35 pm
I'm perfectly happy with Chrome on a proper Babbage-Engine but on a fondleslab it is this: shit.  And every upgrade seems to make it worse.  Viewing almost any thread in the OT Gallery is a 'mare as it catapults you anything up to two years into the past.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 20 June, 2016, 10:38:06 am
Idiot SW installation that takes over the entire screen then tells you to look something up on a website. Yeah, sure, ALT+TAB, but there are plenty of "experienced users" who never heard of it.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Chris S on 20 June, 2016, 02:32:58 pm
No. NO! Really... NO!!

In case you weren't listening:

(click to show/hide)

If I press "Cancel", do NOT EVER open another window. Ever. Cancel means: Fuck. Right. Off. Right. Now, and never interrupt me again.

Time to uninstall Avast. Like so many of its predecessors, it has gone to the great Adware Heaven in the sky.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 20 June, 2016, 09:08:58 pm
The window pops up saying:

Do you wish to cancel?

It has two options: OK, and Cancel

YHOOJ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 20 June, 2016, 09:53:33 pm
It has two options: OK, and Cancel

...both of which install Windows 10.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 22 June, 2016, 12:23:11 am
Java.  Signed bytes.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  Whoever thought that was a good idea should be locked away in a padded room without any networking or hardware to do IO with.  They probably already are.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 22 June, 2016, 04:42:02 pm
You have signed ints, surely a signed byte is just a rather short signed int.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 22 June, 2016, 04:53:05 pm
You have signed ints, surely a signed byte is just a rather short signed int.

Indeed.  Which is fine until you need to exchange data with the rest of the world, where bytes are traditionally used in the unsigned flavour.  Cue lots of fucking about subtracting 128 or using ints and bitwise ORing with 0xFF or whatever every time you interact with some sort of byte stream.

The logic is supposedly that all number formats being signed is consistent and therefore simpler.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 22 June, 2016, 08:48:13 pm
I don't like the sound of a type called Signed Byte.
Byte to me means an 8-bit quantity, without any interpretation being put on it.

Int, Long Int, Short Int etc apply interpretation to the bits; they say things like "This is in twos compliment. Interpret the MSB as a Sign bit."
If you want to use an 8-bit quantity with a sign bit, call it something like a 'Very Short Int'.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 22 June, 2016, 08:51:56 pm
I don't like the sound of a type called Signed Byte.

They just call it 'byte'.  It's signed, like all the other types in Java.   :facepalm:


Quote
If you want to use an 8-bit quantity with a sign bit, call it something like a 'Very Short Int'.

Quite.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 28 June, 2016, 08:53:05 am
Adobe, WTF have you done to Lightroom with your bloody "update".  I know that those of us who bought it outright, didn't get the whole thing, which is a scummy enough trick, but now entire civilisations can develop, flourish, last for millennia, and then die out before you finish doing anything!  I was concerned when Tony Northrup said it was now slower, and I'm starting to investigate Capture One as an alternative, but I haven't got time to learn a new programme now.  I've got another 300 photos to edit tonight, and having to wait at least ten seconds to open each one after I've done the previous one is just not on.  My PC is a 4770K i7, with SSDs, and 32Gb of RAM, so hardly a slouch.

So Adobe, far from what I was considering, i.e. subscribing to CC, I think purchasing Capture One Pro is now in order, especially as its cheaper for Sony users.

Gits!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 28 June, 2016, 09:37:25 am
If someone emails you a document in a zip file attachment in Outlook don't double click to open it and promptly forget you've not saved a copy. Don't then spend a couple of hours editing it before absently clicking 'save'.  Because it's still in zip archive and attached to an email.

This is a lesson I learned yesterday. It's somewhere in an impenetrable and unsearchable Bermuda Triangle of temporary files. Possibly. It proved easier to redo the work that persuade Windows to cough it back up.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: billplumtree on 28 June, 2016, 12:27:08 pm
Adobe, WTF have you done to Lightroom with your bloody "update".  I know that those of us who bought it outright, didn't get the whole thing, which is a scummy enough trick, but now entire civilisations can develop, flourish, last for millennia, and then die out before you finish doing anything!

I feel your pain.  The two most helpful suggestions seem to be (i) turn off GPU acceleration and (ii) increase the cache size.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 28 June, 2016, 02:12:27 pm
Even though I get Creative Suite under the ever bountiful auspices of the mothership, I pretty much only use InDesign these days and for home use I've moved to Affinity Designer and Photo. They don't have the feature set of Illustrator and Photoshop (which have a fifteen-odd year head start, I started with Illustrator 2.0 and Pagemaker 1.0 back in the day), but they're functional and fast. I'm dead set against subscription software tbh.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Wombat on 28 June, 2016, 06:47:13 pm
Adobe, WTF have you done to Lightroom with your bloody "update".  I know that those of us who bought it outright, didn't get the whole thing, which is a scummy enough trick, but now entire civilisations can develop, flourish, last for millennia, and then die out before you finish doing anything!

I feel your pain.  The two most helpful suggestions seem to be (i) turn off GPU acceleration and (ii) increase the cache size.

'tis done, so lets see how we get on.  As it was, the cache size was 1GB, so I upped it to 3GB, but I can't actually see why it can't be a lot bigger than that.  I'm wondering if buying a serious graphics card to replace the (perfectly adequate) onboard graphics card which will do 4K video OK, would help?  It would have to be a fairly silent one, as I've got a real downer on noisy PCs! 

Already it seems slightly better, (I've done about 20 photos since I did it) but we shall see.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 04 July, 2016, 11:09:45 am
*($%!$%!! !£$%!£$% !£$%!£$% systems

I'm working with over complex crap.

Either it is 'very powerful open source' (ie it can do anything as long as you can code it yourself) or proprietary editors/tools for working with the OP crap. On friday I hit weird issues. After much effing and blinding I have a workaround - the bloody expensive proprietary tools can't parse a relative address properly. So the document maps have to be in the root of the tree. FFS.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 04 July, 2016, 12:10:53 pm
It appears that in recent versions of OSX the Mega-Global Fruit Corporation of Cupertino, USAnia have ditched their FruitTalk File Protocol in favour of SMB, on account of being more secure.  Except for Time Machine backups, where it remains as a lucrative source of incompatibility.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 04 July, 2016, 07:33:35 pm
On Thursday morning I decided it would be an opportune time to apply update 3 for Visual Studio 15.

As of 11 this morning I still haven't got an updated VS-15. Now I haven't even got a usable VS-15 install.

I also find that restore points weren't re-enabled the last time Support restored my machine after a (surprise, surprise) screwed up VS-15 install so I can't even roll back to a usable installation.

Roll on death.





Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 05 July, 2016, 10:41:22 am
Reminds me of the pain deploying VS 2015 upd1/upd2/probably upd3 next week via Desired State Configuration.
At least we work in a way where by the developers machines are reimaged on a regular basis so this type of thing isn't in fact very painful at all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 13 July, 2016, 11:15:55 am
Wife bought me a Fitbit Scourge Surge. Have restarted Windoze at least 5 times as it tries to find its dongle (zip stuck), tries to connect, tries to update device drivers, tries to update the goddamn device, tries to find Lord Lucan, the Holy Bloody Gruel and Harrison Ford's acting ability. I didn't want the bloody plastic thing to start with, I love my 1980s Seiko Chrono.  :demon:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 14 July, 2016, 07:32:59 am
And its wretched rubbery surface catches on my sleeves. It's like wearing a door wedge.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 July, 2016, 07:43:10 am
About a week or so back the mothership discovered Windows updates.

There's a lot of them.

Every closedown and start is now imperilled with the 'do not switch off your machine' as a couple of hundred download and install every bloody day.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 26 July, 2016, 08:01:40 am
^^^ Oh aye. A year or so back we had a lightning strike about 100 yds away which fried our router and zapped the missus's UPS, so now when there is a storm approaching we close everything down and unplug.  Of course, this is the moment when Windoze decides to install updates, so we sit there biting our nails, watching the sky darken and waiting for the bang...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 26 July, 2016, 11:01:08 am
T42 -
If you're still running Win7 or earlier you do, of course, have Windoze Update set to, "I'll bloody well tell you when I want updates now piss off and stop bothering me!" Don't you?

The other thing you can do is head to Control Panel / Services and set the Windows Update Service to manual start rather than automatic (at boot)*.  Then, when it's _convenient for you_ , go to the Windows Update front end (I usually just type Windows Update in the start menu) and click the "Check for Updates" button / link and it'll toddle off and do its stuff, starting the update service as it does so.

After it's done this it will leave the service running but you can (if it's installed anything you will _have_ to) restart the machine and it will be switched off again. Or you can go to Control Panel / Services and switch it off manually**


*Control Panel /  Services
Find Windows Update in the long, long, _long_ list, right click, properties, and set  the startup type to manual.

**Control Panel /  Services
Find Windows Update, right click, select "Stop".

Ian, sorry chum you're on yer own. If it's a work machine I expect it's locked down tight to stop such unauthorized shenanegins. Then again if it isn't.... :D
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 26 July, 2016, 08:14:31 pm
The mothership controls it – it's not just me, they've evidently just remembered that Windows has updates and enabled them in the group policy or whatever they call it these days.

I'd drop the bloody thing off the balcony if I didn't fear it'd make a hole in the driveway as we can get Macs now (waiting for my three year replacement cycle to come up).
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 27 July, 2016, 10:16:49 pm
Re-installing MAC OS X on a MacBook following HDD failure is a PITA when it's just too old to support the web install (except via firmware update which can't be done without an OS) and you don't have access to the Apple Store on another iMac/MacBook.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 28 July, 2016, 09:13:15 am
You can pop the MacOS installer on a bootable USB.

Now the Windows updates are starting to undo themselves in a parade of attempted post-shutdown restarts. Delights!
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 28 July, 2016, 11:14:01 am
You can pop the MacOS installer on a bootable USB.

You need a fruityThing to download the installer and create a bootable USB.
I did find a reputable looking download of ElCapitan which I ISO'd up using dmg2iso and then dd'd onto a USB stick but the MacBook's boot manager thing (Opt +R) didn't recognise it, even though Linux recognised the disk as having a HFS partition. I suspect this is the result of a Hackingtosh arm's race.

Fortunately I've arranged access to another FruityThing.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: T42 on 01 August, 2016, 09:54:28 am
Dear Adobe, thanks ever so for updating my copy of Bridge, but did you have to toss my f*cking settings out to do it?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: SoreTween on 01 August, 2016, 09:04:26 pm
Oh FFS.  No wonder the wifi at my digs craps out, just got around to downloading a stumbler.  There's 8 naffworks visible from here and 4 are on the same channel including both networks in this building.  He's a Dr.  Specialising in signal processors :facepalm:

He has unfortunately (in this scenario) switched off config over wifi and I don't have a lan cable with me.  No I can't ask him to sort it, they're never here.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 04 August, 2016, 09:53:39 pm
Barclays fucking Bank.  I go through the nine million steps required to log into your poxy online banking so it should be pretty obvious to you that I am either:
Now, how to close my accounts?  Print, sign and post the form.  That's really fucking secure, isn't it?  What's to stop me from getting a printed form from A.N.Other and closing a third party's account and diverting all the proceeds to my SEEKRIT account in Schnibbleland, eh?  You deserve the scorn and opprobrium heaped upon the heads of the scummiest and most chiselling of your trade.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 05 August, 2016, 04:00:04 pm
As far as I can tell from pressing random buttons and googling, Android appears to lack a hotkey for opening the notifications window thinger from a physical keyboard.  WTF?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: mrcharly-YHT on 05 August, 2016, 04:26:49 pm
Android is designed for touchscreen input.

That's a bit frustrating, at times.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Kim on 05 August, 2016, 04:41:39 pm
Android is designed for touchscreen input.

Well yes.  It's playing catch-up with Microsoft (and to a lesser extent Apple) in this regard, as larger fondleslabs with sensible keyboard options are becoming more common.  A surprising number of apps have no ability to run in portrait mode, either.

But not being able to open the notifications window does seem like the sort of thing that *somebody* might have picked up in testing.

I note that it finally seems to have got the hang not dropping characters and sensible handling of mice, at least.  Not that a mouse is a practical way to open the notifications window, either, but it's good to have for fiddly websites (like this one) and not getting grubby pawmarks on the screen.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Afasoas on 16 August, 2016, 11:05:12 pm
Ubuntu how I hate thee.

Why have I got two 14.04.5 LTS Servers on different kernels? Both are bank up to date with no packages held back, yet the backup server running a subset of packages relative to the main server is on the 3.19 kernel backported from 15.04?

Why does Samba always need restarting before any clients can connect to it, although no errors are logged when it is started first time around?

And why did bind throw its toys out the pram and refuse to load half the lookup zones? (Answer.. journal files on dynamic zones which somehow a restart makes stale)

As for mount.nfs inexplicably hanging on some machines and not others and sending one on a wild goose chase to diagnose .. 

All sorted for now, aside from the kernel delta. I'm contemplating rebuilding both on Debian.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: ian on 17 August, 2016, 06:33:15 pm
Sixty five updates on. Sixty five updates off.

Every bloody shutdown and startup. Ye ghads!

I can't be arsed fixing it or the thought of handing it back to the mothership. Oh god. Please not the global service desk. Just die so I can get a Macbook.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 17 August, 2016, 06:45:03 pm
Sixty five update on. Sixty five updates off.
Six five special right on tiiiimmme!  :)

Now to my grumble...

I.T. slave trader. Where on my CV does it say, "COBOL", Microfocus" or even, "I speak fluent Spanish"?  Trust me, I've looked; just to make sure that in my accelerating decrepitude that I'd hadn't forgotten I had these skills.  Just looked again.  Nope still not there. Sooooo, why in the name of the wee man are you inviting me to apply for a job in Madrid that requires a _minimum_ of 5 to 7 years experience of COBOL? Go on tell me, I'd really like to know what you were thinking. Or even if you were thinking at all.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 17 August, 2016, 06:48:44 pm
Apparently one can punch the keyboard of certain Dell laptops in such a way that the display goes spooey, thereby obliging one's BigCo to provide a replacement that doesn't require triplicate orders carved on a marble slab before it will deign to perform complicated tasks like running Windows and connecting to the Intertubes.  I provide no guarantee that this will work with:
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: woollypigs on 19 August, 2016, 06:19:47 pm
Why is it easy to install a program on one machine, but a trip to hell and back on another? For feck sake they they are both debian ...
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 August, 2016, 04:38:52 pm
Oh well fucking done, Microsith!  Your so-called "update" has broken many of the scheduled tasks on this machine.  Trivial stuff like AV scans, backups, that sort of thing.  Nice one.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: TheLurker on 23 August, 2016, 05:57:59 pm
Oh well fucking done, Microsith!  Your so-called "update" has broken many of the scheduled tasks on this machine.  Trivial stuff like AV scans, backups, that sort of thing.  Nice one.
It's only going to get better* when they introduce dungball** updates in October for Win7 & Win8.x

*  For certain values of better,
**As of Oct. patches will no longer be individually selectable.  It'll be all or nothing so they can stuff any old shite on your machine and there'll be precious little you can do about it if it borks*** your machine or installs unwanted telem and other crap.  Well you might be able to roll it back for a few nanoseconds after installation but that'll be yer lot.
***M$ patches borking things? Nah, never going to happen. *cough*
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 23 August, 2016, 06:04:26 pm
Apparently you can defer updates if you have the upmarket versions of W10 but if you're stuck with the Home version you can only do it by telling Windows you're on a metered intertubes connection and that only works if you use wifi >:(  No, I don't understand why two machines talking to World+Dog through the same router are treated differently either ???
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 23 August, 2016, 08:31:12 pm
Junior's PC suffered HDD corruption which rendered it unbootable.

New HDD and clean windows install on Junior's PC.

Old HDD in a slot-mount thing on my PC, to recover what I can from it.
All user files seem to be readable.
Network mount the old drive from my pc to the newly installed Junior PC to copy the user content.

Steam installation is over 200GB!
And all in stupid small files, which really slows down the transfer rates.
On big files, the transfer rate goes well up, but when it's thrashing through thousands of small files, this is what I'm getting ( wired gigabit ):

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8519/28565636753_417866ca9d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KwfmAv)
slow_file_transfer (https://flic.kr/p/KwfmAv) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr

<edit>
And now we're onto some bigger files, and the speed has picked up.
Here's task manager right now:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8165/28566891273_545caacbe1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KwmMwa)
slow_fast (https://flic.kr/p/KwmMwa) by Ron Lowe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62966413@N04/), on Flickr

Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Feanor on 24 August, 2016, 10:15:17 pm
Well, so after an xkcd-612 compliant mass file transfer...

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/estimation.png)

I have the Steam installation transferred.
It seems this directory structure mostly contains the games in their as-downloaded state.
The games do appear in the clean Steam install, but when you run them, they go through their first-run stuff which involves installing half a dozen run-time libraries.
This is ok enough.

But exiting the game, I notice that about 50% of the games in the steam folder have turned blue, which indicates that they are updating.
It seems that all the game updates which have been downloaded over the years have been lost.
So the games seem to have reverted to as-downloaded state, and all now want updating.
Why the fsck does restoring the games as per steams instructions not restore the games to their updated state?

So now, my intertubes are saturated by fscking steam.
Again.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 25 August, 2016, 03:35:13 pm
Sony, the idea of having a smart phone that you can install apps on is so you can choose the apps you want to install. Not fill it up with pointless crap, updates to pointless crap and yet more versions of useless rubbish so that there is no space for users own apps. 8Gb storage, of which I am using less than 500MB and you are baking in loads of rubbish I don't want, don't need and stopping me using the phone as a useful tool.
maybe its time for an upgrade - looking for an android with OTG for a sensible price.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 25 August, 2016, 04:02:22 pm
And all in stupid small files, which really slows down the transfer rates.
On big files, the transfer rate goes well up, but when it's thrashing through thousands of small files, this is what I'm getting ( wired gigabit ):

This is due to TCP sliding windows which if your file sizes are small never really opens up properly.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: David Martin on 25 August, 2016, 04:22:05 pm
Is that where good old fashioned tar cf - * | ssh -c user@remote (cd dir; tar xf -)  works fine as it is one big file..?
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: Mr Larrington on 25 August, 2016, 04:38:17 pm
I doned something similar with ~150 GB of mp3s in a .7z file the other day which worked out a lot quicker than copying a Several of tens of thousands of files directly.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread
Post by: pcolbeck on 25 August, 2016, 04:56:25 pm
Is that where good old fashioned tar cf - * | ssh -c user@remote (cd dir; tar xf -)  works fine as it is one big file..?

Yes.

With TCP the receiving node has to send an ack back for every X packets sent where X starts out at a low number then open up as packets are sent without loss and provided the receiver has a big enough buffer to receive them.
Think of it as send send wait to get an ack to see if they got there OK, now try send send send send wait for an ack and so on.
You also get a load of file system o overhead with small files that slows things down.
Title: Re: The computing stuff rant thread