Fantastic! Already bookmarked in the calendar though not sure if I can get round. (that's the attraction). Is the 600 by combining 400 and 200? Or is a further event in the pipeline?It will be a single 600km loop and not a combination of two shorter loops. There will be no mid ride return to Base and no mid ride manned sleep controls. X rated self-sufficiency is the ethos here.
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Fantastic! Already bookmarked in the calendar though not sure if I can get round. (that's the attraction). Is the 600 by combining 400 and 200? Or is a further event in the pipeline?
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It's about the stretch. I wasn't sure I could get round your Scottish 1200 last year or Mille Pennines. But had a good go and made it. Both fantastic memories.Fantastic! Already bookmarked in the calendar though not sure if I can get round. (that's the attraction). Is the 600 by combining 400 and 200? Or is a further event in the pipeline?
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As Vistaed has pointed-out for the 600, the same is true for all rides, they all go out from Llandrindod and single-loop around mid/north Wales.
The initial ride/route concept was 400km, and the 400 does form the basic framework that all the other rides hang around.
If you don't think you can get around, and I presume you're refering to the 400 BR. Why not enter the 400 BP ride, it's the same route - just at a lower pace, you'll get 40hours. You'll still get the AAA points, but not the distance points - but you wouldn't have got those anyway (or the AAA points) if you were out of time on the 400BR.
Sorry to whitter on. The earlier post was really asking if the 600 was to be added to the calendar. I was going to enter the 400 but will hang on a while.
Sorry to whitter on. The earlier post was really asking if the 600 was to be added to the calendar. I was going to enter the 400 but will hang on a while.
600 on it's way :thumbsup:
Bag-drop?Fantastic! Already bookmarked in the calendar though not sure if I can get round. (that's the attraction). Is the 600 by combining 400 and 200? Or is a further event in the pipeline?It will be a single 600km loop and not a combination of two shorter loops. There will be no mid ride return to Base and no mid ride manned sleep controls. X rated self-sufficiency is the ethos here.
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UnlikelyBag-drop?Fantastic! Already bookmarked in the calendar though not sure if I can get round. (that's the attraction). Is the 600 by combining 400 and 200? Or is a further event in the pipeline?It will be a single 600km loop and not a combination of two shorter loops. There will be no mid ride return to Base and no mid ride manned sleep controls. X rated self-sufficiency is the ethos here.
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I do hope there's going to be no publicity. I don't think you can call anything self-sufficient if it consciously seeks approbation beyond the self.Publicity....ummm. Yes, but not as a means to seek approval from others. More information will be made available via a dedicated website so that riders can make an informed decision about which is the appropriate route/distance for their kit and ability and allow them to plan a suitable ride strategy. We also want those beyond this forum, regular readers of Arrive or the AUK calendar to have an opportunity to hear about the rides and join in. A website will be an enabler for that, the details of which shall be spread via our social networks.
... no details of on-route re-supply options
I do hope there's going to be no publicity. I don't think you can call anything self-sufficient if it consciously seeks approbation beyond the self.Publicity....ummm. Yes, but not as a means to seek approval from others.
I only raise the point because some of the riders on LEL had PR support, and that generated a request for footage. I've got no real 'thing' about self sufficiency, and my main money-making activity is also a hobby, so I've got no qualms about making money out of other 'hobbies'. But that's 'inter-dependency'.
... no details of on-route re-supply options
If I read that correctly, that implies that information on cafes and shops etc will not be provided. This would not be an issue for local riders who will be aware of what lies on the route, or just off the route, but for out-of-area riders this will require much use of streetview and Internet information gathering beforehand. Is that correct?
Overall I am very much looking forward to the weekend. The thinking behind the events is spot-on, and I am looking forward to preparing for what appears to be a true challenge that will be rewarding in many ways.
Unlikely
Bag-drop?
Go on then :)Unlikely
Bag-drop?
I think you should allow Matt at least to drop a bag at the start and collect it at the finish.
George Berwick used to cache food and bottles in hedges on the 24. Will that be allowed if you do it by bicycle?As it's not a race and only a bike ride after all, that approach sounds like fun to me.
Hmmmm ...Unlikely
Bag-drop?
I think you should allow Matt at least to drop a bag at the start and collect it at the finish.
... no details of on-route re-supply options
If I read that correctly, that implies that information on cafes and shops etc will not be provided. This would not be an issue for local riders who will be aware of what lies on the route, or just off the route, but for out-of-area riders this will require much use of streetview and Internet information gathering beforehand. Is that correct?
Overall I am very much looking forward to the weekend. The thinking behind the events is spot-on, and I am looking forward to preparing for what appears to be a true challenge that will be rewarding in many ways.
You do read this correctly but I hear what your saying about being an out of area rider. I class myself as an out of area rider and had to find all the information on food etc myself before heading out with two other riders on our 400km recce. In a way its part of the spirit of Mike and enriched the experience of the ride. Our ride did not go to plan but I'll write about that at another time. The first time you do a challenging route in to the unknown it's more than just about being fit enough to complete the ride. It's about the mental preparation, the planning, the kit choice and your approach to risk that all come together to form a strategy you hope will get you round in time. But in the end you just don't know if the strategy will work. It's also about the asking of questions of those that are locals on forums like this. It helps to build a sense of joint adventure before the ride has even started. As such, I believe these rides could be more rewarding for out of area riders.
That road up Bwlch y Groes looks impressive on the OS map. 10 steep climb arrows in the space of 1.9km, but at least we miss out one extra arrow where the route bears off to the right.You sure about that? ;)
I believe the off road bits are Cors Caron nature reserve (near Tregaron), the Claerwen Reservoir track, NCR 818 Cwmystwyth - Llangurig cycle track, NCR 82 before Dolgellau and the last bit is probably in or near the Dyfnant Forest. You can probably do the first 4 sections in daylight, maybe the 5th.
The ford might be on NCN 818 - it's been a while since I've been that way.That road up Bwlch y Groes looks impressive on the OS map. 10 steep climb arrows in the space of 1.9km, but at least we miss out one extra arrow where the route bears off to the right.You sure about that? ;)
Re Bwlch y Groes, looks like the 600 takes the left at the top for the final bit of climbing, whereas the 400 turns right. Mind you, if I want to tick that off the list of 100 greatest cycling climbs I'll need to do the extra bit. Or maybe come back another day!
The text on the 400 BP page mentions going to Bala then over the Hirnaunt Pass the to Lake Vyrnwy.
...Struggling to get my head around the 600 option. 600km zipping along at 30km/h on smooth tar is one thing. 600km grinding up steep dirt tracks in the dark is quite another.
The ford is on the Claerwen - Teifi Pools track. Unbridged river crossing. No footbridge alternative. Depending on how much rain there's been it can be anything from ankle to thigh deep.:o thigh deep? :-\
There's another one on NCN818 but there is a footbridge there so you don't have to ride/wade through it.
The 5th bit of off-road is the Elan Valley cycle path up to Craig Goch dam.
Is that Mr Dulates's thigh or Mrs' ?The ford is on the Claerwen - Teifi Pools track. Unbridged river crossing. No footbridge alternative. Depending on how much rain there's been it can be anything from ankle to thigh deep.:o thigh deep? :-\
There's another one on NCN818 but there is a footbridge there so you don't have to ride/wade through it.
The 5th bit of off-road is the Elan Valley cycle path up to Craig Goch dam.
Very keen for this. I've got the right bike now, so no excuses.
Struggling to get my head around the 600 option. 600km zipping along at 30km/h on smooth tar is one thing. 600km grinding up steep dirt tracks in the dark is quite another.
However like a moth to the flame it's hard to ignore the pull.
The ford is on the Claerwen - Teifi Pools track. Unbridged river crossing. No footbridge alternative. Depending on how much rain there's been it can be anything from ankle to thigh deep.This is the correct description of the rough sections. The 300/400/600 events were all planned so that the rough sections can be ridden before night fall because we are nice like that. I've also fixed the description on the fast 400km page.
There's another one on NCN818 but there is a footbridge there so you don't have to ride/wade through it.
The 5th bit of off-road is the Elan Valley cycle path up to Craig Goch dam.
At the risk of winding folk up over the unfortunate clash of dates, is anyone not riding Black Sheep or Lucy's event thinking of using the AUK reunion weekend as a recce?No: I'm doing Phil Dyson's (always very well-attended) event! :)
At the risk of winding folk up over the unfortunate clash of dates, is anyone not riding Black Sheep or Lucy's event thinking of using the AUK reunion weekend as a recce?If you ride the rough sections in November, be mindful that the weather maybe more of a factor than in June. Ie, it will be colder, darker, wetter under wheel, the ford higher, etc. Just saying.
So it's an off road audax in November? Has there been a risk assessment?
If you ride the rough sections in November, be mindful that the weather maybe more of a factor than in June. Ie, it will be colder, darker, wetter under wheel, the ford higher, etc. Just saying.
Pic 5 in the instagram feed, what road is that?If we mean the same photo then it's along side Clearwan Reservoir.
Pic 5 in the instagram feed, what road is that?Or 5 from the other end of the feed is looking down Bwlch-y-Groes
I am surprised (in a good way) at how many people are going for the 600 :thumbsup:
Er.. me. Glad there will be quite a few.I am surprised (in a good way) at how many people are going for the 600
How many are going for the 600 ?
I'm in for the fast 400. Didn't fancy the 600 as it seemed to me that the original concept was a difficult on/offroad 400, then due to public demand some extra kms were found to make a 600 in the same style.
I'm seriously thinking about the 400 for the same reason - it looks like the signature ride.
I'm in for the fast 400. Didn't fancy the 600 as it seemed to me that the original concept was a difficult on/offroad 400, then due to public demand some extra kms were found to make a 600 in the same style.
... but my usual streak of hope over reality persuaded me that that "easier" middle 200 (hysterical laughter) would help with the average. Only crosses Snowdonia twice. Simples
I'm only going by those posting here [a select few], andEr.. me. Glad there will be quite a few.I am surprised (in a good way) at how many people are going for the 600
How many are going for the 600 ?
I'm in for the fast 400. Didn't fancy the 600 as it seemed to me that the original concept was a difficult on/offroad 400, then due to public demand some extra kms were found to make a 600 in the same style.
I'm in for the fast 400. Didn't fancy the 600 as it seemed to me that the original concept was a difficult on/offroad 400, then due to public demand some extra kms were found to make a 600 in the same style.
I signed up for the 600, but almost went for the 400 for this reason. Now I'm having second thoughts ???
Reading between the lines on the webpage I don't think the 600 has been ridden in one go, only installments. It might not be possible to ride it within the time limit, but there's only one way to find out!
Reading between the lines on the webpage I don't think the 600 has been ridden in one go, only installments. It might not be possible to ride it within the time limit, but there's only one way to find out!
We won't be going home for breakfast on Sunday morning like these namby pamby, part time, fast 400 merchants, that's for sure.
I've just updated the website to include a page with some accommodation news and details
If Smeth is riding the 600 .................then so am I. Now I just need to find a bike to ride it on.........So I'm responsible for your +1?
Recce Ride report of the first 150k
Just to note that with over 100 entrants we have decided to close the fast 400km http://tinat.cymru/saturday-rides/400km-br/ (http://tinat.cymru/saturday-rides/400km-br/). We are now closed to new entrants on that ride. The 600km is hot on it's heels.
....... Playing with google walking another seems to be needed at Dolgellau ......
I will be perfectly honest, it has surprised me that there has been such little conversation both on this and other forum or social media about how one might tackle any of these rides.
Highly unlikely we'll be in the area early enough to use the Fish & Chips in Tywyn
a LEJOG planned in the months before TINAT
I am trying to decide between a May or June LeJog (airline tickets depending) and I would be interested in your thoughts concerning the likely weather, etc. of a May ride.
Just to note that with over 100 entrants we have decided to close the fast 400km http://tinat.cymru/saturday-rides/400km-br/ (http://tinat.cymru/saturday-rides/400km-br/). We are now closed to new entrants on that ride. The 600km is hot on it's heels.
Perhaps everyone has their plan worked-out and keeping it to themselves.
Perhaps everyone has their plan worked-out and keeping it to themselves.
Aerobars fitted, skinsuit ordered, but I admit I've been tardy about checking how many pubs are on the route.
I've done a few miles recently on gnarlier surfaces with 25mm tyres mid-audax; it's tended to be a fun challenge, but I spend far too long staring at the ground 10' ahead, and not enough at the nice views around me. I don't have great bike-handling skills, nor much off-roading experience (and I'm old enough to know that neither of these will change much). Plus it's more relaxing the less you are worrying about p******es.
I'm still busy weighing up (metaphorically and literally) what kit I will need to take for the overnight camp....bivvy option / one man tent etc etc....and the camp location. :thumbsup:
I'm still busy weighing up (metaphorically and literally) what kit I will need to take for the overnight camp....bivvy option / one man tent etc etc....and the camp location. :thumbsup:
I'm also on the 400 BP and also intend. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . able to find anywhere.
Any pointers in this respect.
Cheers
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If you get to the start in time for the 600, I'm sure a few last minute tips might be gleaned.
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If you get to the start in time for the 600, I'm sure a few last minute tips might be gleaned.
Nothing like preparing in good time!
It is interesting in the way that the planning to sleep wild seems so much more realistic than the actual practice of it. But, if one does intend to carry out such a plan, I would highly recommend a bivvy to crawl into than a tent set-up. A bivvy can go just about anywhere and is low enough not to be obtrusive whereas a tent takes some ground preparation and is more visible.+1
I will be perfectly honest, it has surprised me that there has been such little conversation both on this and other forum or social media about how one might tackle any of these rides. Perhaps everyone has their plan worked-out and keeping it to themselves. Or the more prevalent practice of not always doing useful research upfront.
My main concern is actually finding somewhere that I could actually do this .......
I've sketched out rough GPX tracks based on outline maps on the website. Note these are *very* approximate in places!
My main concern is actually finding somewhere that I could actually do this .......
The beauty of planning to bivvy is that you don't need to do any planning. You just kip when you feel like it, rather than having to reach a particular location.
Sunset at 9:30 and light before 5.
Thanks to a bit of over enthusiastic shopping for LeL I probably have enough batteries to run my big off-road light for 6h-7h.
Are clear skies included in our entry fee? :thumbsup:Sunset at 9:30 and light before 5.
Thanks to a bit of over enthusiastic shopping for LeL I probably have enough batteries to run my big off-road light for 6h-7h.
Check the lunar cycle - you might not even need them for that time.
Are clear skies included in our entry fee? :thumbsup:Sunset at 9:30 and light before 5.
Thanks to a bit of over enthusiastic shopping for LeL I probably have enough batteries to run my big off-road light for 6h-7h.
Check the lunar cycle - you might not even need them for that time.
no, but someone once said 'weather guaranteed' ;)
Thanks for that Graham, looks like the last 2 sections of off road might be the challenge give they are on an incline, the other sections look relatively flat and the surface appears to be not too bad but I know my average speed off road is significantly lower than my on road by a good 6kph.
It is interesting in the way that the planning to sleep wild seems so much more realistic than the actual practice of it. But, if one does intend to carry out such a plan, I would highly recommend a bivvy to crawl into than a tent set-up. A bivvy can go just about anywhere and is low enough not to be obtrusive whereas a tent takes some ground preparation and is more visible.
Quote from: chillmoister link=topic=104706.msg2257459#msg2257459 dte=1518696721no, but someone once said 'weather guaranteed' ;)
I'd love to meet the guy that originally promoted his audax with that slogan.
The final climb looks to be a firm-grass/gravel track and even if it needs to be walked it won't add on more than 15-20 minutes over riding it. I reckon Graham's dropped the start-point too early, I think it's surfaced for another 2km or so after that, to beyond the farm about halfway up the hillside.
You're right. in fact, the climb is tarmac surfaced almost all the way to the top (to about 126.8k on Graham's 400 route plot). It's a great climb, fabulously scenic, long and tough but never too steep. The gravel section beyond is, in my view, marginally more challenging than the section around Claerwen. There's some "loose" gravel sections on the gradual descent after the forestry, with a centre strip of grass which are a bit tricky (plus more stunning views) and a bouldery section just before rejoining the tarmac. I rode it a couple of years ago with my wife on our road bikes with 28mm tyres. With a bit of care and a couple of "moments" on the trickier bits, I managed to avoid any walking. My wife was sensibly more cautious and walked a few hundred metres. I waited no more than 5 minutes for her to catch me up. A bit more tyre volume would obviously help but is not essential.
I'm also on the 400 BP and also intend breaking the ride up with an overnight camp, maybe 250 Km on day 1 with a leisurely 150 Km on day 2. I have never bivvied before, but quite fancy it for this adventure, as I feel it is more in keeping with the ethos of the event. My main concern is actually finding somewhere that I could actually do this that is practical in terms of privacy and relative comfort, and not get to the stage where I'm riding in the dark and not being able to find anywhere.
Any pointers in this respect.
My main concern is actually finding somewhere that I could actually do this .......
The beauty of planning to bivvy is that you don't need to do any planning. You just kip when you feel like it, rather than having to reach a particular location.
Do you have a particular bivvy you have found to be the best for wild camping?
My current plan is to carry a "Lightweight Emergency Survival Bivvy" - on the idea I don't intend to use it, as will be cycling straight through, but it will be a useful backup plan.
http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/practical/VE104.html (http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/practical/VE104.html)
I think this was mentioned somewhere on these forums.
Tried a bit of mountain biking for the first time this weekend, to get some off-road experience.
Not sure 34/32 is going to cut it after that experience. It is seriously hard work getting up 20% climbs when gravel and lose rocks cause your wheel to slip and slide, and that was with a 32/46 low gear and huge tyres!
Tried a bit of mountain biking for the first time this weekend, to get some off-road experience.
Not sure 34/32 is going to cut it after that experience. It is seriously hard work getting up 20% climbs when gravel and lose rocks cause your wheel to slip and slide, and that was with a 32/46 low gear and huge tyres!
I am not being flippant and speak from experience on long rides on fixed; sometimes you can just walk up a climb.
Far more frustrating is downhill loose/lumpy stuff (if you are on the wrong tyres).
I shall post an audacious picture one day.
You end up walking (quite slowly!) when you want to be doing 30mph+ => average speed plummets.
I haven't yet read of any such secteurs on this event, so fingers crossed :thumbsup:
Initial scoping of open supply options between Dolgellau and Newton is returning a blank. Heck! That's going to be a long night section with very full pockets.
As a 'volunteer' I'll be setting out to ride the 600km on the 19th May. Yes BC weekend. Initial scoping of open supply options between Dolgellau and Newton is returning a blank. Heck! That's going to be a long night section with very full pockets.
The Shell in Betws-y-Coed is apparently 24-hour:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Shell/@53.0332702,-3.8535548,11.58z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1spetrol+station!3m4!1s0x0:0x56d2f3cb7eb1027a!8m2!3d53.0851838!4d-3.7956476
The Shell in Betws-y-Coed is apparently 24-hour:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Shell/@53.0332702,-3.8535548,11.58z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1spetrol+station!3m4!1s0x0:0x56d2f3cb7eb1027a!8m2!3d53.0851838!4d-3.7956476
Just phoned the Betws one. Confirmed 24/7, locked door at night but shop goods available. Coffee machine...YES! Nice one Zakalwe. Although I shall not totally rely.
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The Shell in Betws-y-Coed is apparently 24-hour:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Shell/@53.0332702,-3.8535548,11.58z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1spetrol+station!3m4!1s0x0:0x56d2f3cb7eb1027a!8m2!3d53.0851838!4d-3.7956476
Just phoned the Betws one. Confirmed 24/7, locked door at night but shop goods available. Coffee machine...YES! Nice one Zakalwe. Although I shall not totally rely.
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Excellent! As far as I could see, no more 24/7 petrol stations between there and Newtown, so I might stop off at the one near Llanberis first, just in case. Like you said, don't want to put all my eggs in one basket.
So the 400km event may have the fewest night time options after Dolgellau.
I'd like to join the Social but don't have Instagram, or Facebook, and I don't seem to be able to leave a comment on the page as requested. :facepalm:Of course, just PM me your name and that will be fine. I'll look into the website comments.
Will a request in this forum work instead?
Just been plotting the 300A route. Have to say, it looks stonking!
(also largest off piste:paved ratio. Nice.)
Amyone know if/when GPX files might be available? I am awawy the week before so need to get prepared this week.
BS has been sending out e-mails today. Best drop him a line of you think you have received one. And some of my fun was type 3.Ta. I'll give it a while before bugging him. Type 3 huh? Tell us after if we make it.
Hi folks ....just a heads-up to say that the Dafarn Newydd Stores (about 1.5 km South East of Lake Vyrnwy) will be opening early on Sunday morning to provide first or second breakfast opportunities. There will be coffee and the usual local shop fare and possibly some hot food too. They may even be opening late on the Saturday night. The shop owner should be putting out a sign up the road to remind the weary TINAT rider :thumbsup::thumbsup:
(I think it was a very flat 600, with a sleep stop nr Betws-y-Coed, then down to Aberhafesp via Lake Vynrunrun.)
(I think it was a very flat 600, with a sleep stop nr Betws-y-Coed, then down to Aberhafesp via Lake Vynrunrun.)
Oh yeah ....THAT ride was pan flat .... :demon: #brokeme definitely the hardest ride I've completed and that was just within the time limit! If the TINAT route is only half as good (and I have suspicion it will be of the same calibre) we are in for a treat :thumbsup:
Interesting to see that there isn't a control at the Northern tip. The devious could be tempted to make short-cuttings direct to Betws-y-Coed O:-)Yes - the route sheet mentions a control at Caernarfon but actually ends up at Betws y Coed. The GPX as supplied doesn't actually go in to Caernarfon either ... maybe there'll be an info on the day ??
I looked up a few of the opening times...
I noticed the sign for that place last weekend. I rode past.I looked up a few of the opening times...
Sadly I don't think the "Orgasmic Cider Company" is going to be open for us 400 riders. :'(
Will there be emails going out for the 100a & 100b? I think all I need is where to turn up to each morning.Received mine on 21st. Rides start from Linden Walk near Metropole Hotel[ETA] Arivée too please [/ETA]Just seen the accommodation post stating HMGH is arivée for all routes. Gonna assume it is the start point too as it is for the 300a unless corrected.
I think that's about it. Riders should have the relevant route details now. From tomorrow morning I will be on holiday.
Sloth make 600 map (https://goo.gl/8KdAK8)
Sloth make 600 map (https://goo.gl/8KdAK8)
That overlay has been very useful, thank you Sloth.
On the 600 route, just before the Pen y garreg dam, the route goes 400m on a right hand spur, then retraces and goes along the left hand spur to keep to the southern and western side of the Pen y garreg reservoir. I'm presuming the 400m up the right hand spur is to get to the checkpoint that is included on the routesheet between 114.5km and 117.9km. Do others agree?
Thanks Smeth. So keep to the east of the reservoir and cross back onto the GPX route at dam.I reckon. The route sheet doesn't mention the retrace. Just crossing the dam at the top.
Sloth make 600 map (https://goo.gl/8KdAK8)
That overlay has been very useful, thank you Sloth.
On the 600 route, just before the Pen y garreg dam, the route goes 400m on a right hand spur, then retraces and goes along the left hand spur to keep to the southern and western side of the Pen y garreg reservoir. I'm presuming the 400m up the right hand spur is to get to the checkpoint that is included on the routesheet between 114.5km and 117.9km. Do others agree?
I think it could be a minor gpx route creation glitch not worth bothering BS with. The route sheet (unless I'm misreading) appears to tell us to continue on the track to the all the way to the craig goch dam on the north east side of the water and cross that to a T then turn right. That way is a continuous gently graded scenic track. I've done a gpx along there before and the line kept wanting to switch back down to the road. Route sheet (600) says the route is along the track somewhere, so switching back down to the road can't be for checkpoint and is an unnecessary decent and climb missing part of the lovely off road cycleway.
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Same on the 300b.Sloth make 600 map (https://goo.gl/8KdAK8)
That overlay has been very useful, thank you Sloth.
On the 600 route, just before the Pen y garreg dam, the route goes 400m on a right hand spur, then retraces and goes along the left hand spur to keep to the southern and western side of the Pen y garreg reservoir. I'm presuming the 400m up the right hand spur is to get to the checkpoint that is included on the routesheet between 114.5km and 117.9km. Do others agree?
I think it could be a minor gpx route creation glitch not worth bothering BS with. The route sheet (unless I'm misreading) appears to tell us to continue on the track to the all the way to the craig goch dam on the north east side of the water and cross that to a T then turn right. That way is a continuous gently graded scenic track. I've done a gpx along there before and the line kept wanting to switch back down to the road. Route sheet (600) says the route is along the track somewhere, so switching back down to the road can't be for checkpoint and is an unnecessary decent and climb missing part of the lovely off road cycleway.
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Also note that the routesheet for the 400 — and I suspect the 600 also — selects the track that is BETWEEN those two roads, as shown below — aim for the boulders NOT the "NTR" or no through-road — the instruction on the 400 routesheet is "RIGHT on to track, Imm after NTR on Right", but Google doesn't have that path marked, so the auto-routing will misplace it onto either the NTR road, or the through-road:
(http://www.16inchwheels.uk/content/images/2018/05/Screen-Shot-2018-05-30-at-10.05.19.png)
The misrouting on Sloth's route uses the two roads either side — and the official 400 GPX also uses the NTR and NOT the path, rejoining the path higher up in the forest (one of several discrepancies).
There is a checkpoint up that side of the reservoir somewhere; I'm assuming it will be up by the toilets at the dam, as there's somewhere for the controller to park up and keep warm and dry if the weather's sh!te, but they could be lower down.
There are several places that have roads parallel to the gravel trails where the routesheet suggests using the road. I'm going for full off-road value to justify the cost, time and swearing of getting my tubeless gravel tyres setup. ::-)After years of deviating from "official" routesheets whenever I "knew better", I had planned to follow the TINAT route exactly, warts/fords/canyons and all.
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I've checked streetview so that I'm familiar with the entrance to the path that is after Tregaron, but otherwise I think the off-road sections are straightforward to enter and follow, at least following the clarifications up towards the dam.
Great work Nick - that's not very clear at all (although the GPX would probably work for me).
I was just reading that bit of the routesheet and wondering "WTF does NTR mean??" :)
There are several places that have roads parallel to the gravel trails where the routesheet suggests using the road. I'm going for full off-road value to justify the cost, time and swearing of getting my tubeless gravel tyres setup. ::-)After years of deviating from "official" routesheets whenever I "knew better", I had planned to follow the TINAT route exactly, warts/fords/canyons and all.
But if I meet nav difficulties, I shall just take the safest option. PlanA is follow the purple tunnel, hopefully that will take in every pebble that Mark has lovingly arranged for us.
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The real question, though, is whether to try to ride through the ford before Claerwen Farm, or wade the bike through?
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The real question, though, is whether to try to ride through the ford before Claerwen Farm, or wade the bike through?
Afon Claerddu ford?
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/92/45/2924590_37fba5e1.jpg)
or http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/411693
Probably a shoes off and wade job for me... :)
Has anyone actually bought a drink - in sweaty lycra - at the Cross Foxes Inn?? It looks very powsh inside:)
[This might be the first time I pass it at beer O'clock ... ]
Sloth make 600 map (https://goo.gl/8KdAK8)
I rode through two weekends ago. And rode through three times last year when route planning. But this means nothing on Saturday....
The real question, though, is whether to try to ride through the ford before Claerwen Farm, or wade the bike through?
Afon Claerddu ford?
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/92/45/2924590_37fba5e1.jpg)
or http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/411693
Probably a shoes off and wade job for me... :)
...the climbs...what proportion are super steep?
All of them once your tired? (My 34x36 will get plenty of use after Dinas Mawddwy but perhaps you don't go over to Newtown on the 300?)
@wilkyboy, thank you enormously for posting that photo. That makes it really clear where to go.Seconded :thumbsup: I was scratching my head looking at that junction on google yesterday. Shoulda checked here :facepalm:
— You can do a nifty Larrington Manoeuvre to avoid the Devil's Staircase, which is an ugly ramp — bear R to forestry track at bottom where the Elenydd checkpoint usually is, then keep L at each T to R @ road at top — it's a much steadier gradient than the Staircase and more gravelly (and credit to Iddu for that, back in 2013)In this map (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=c6d9a8ec-d234-4043-9fcb-a7802175cc56&cp=52.191799~-3.723079&lvl=15&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) leave the road at the cattle grid (CG) and follow the obvious route to return to the road north of Pen y Cnwc?
I rode through two weekends ago. And rode through three times last year when route planning. But this means nothing on Saturday....
The real question, though, is whether to try to ride through the ford before Claerwen Farm, or wade the bike through?
Afon Claerddu ford?
(http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/92/45/2924590_37fba5e1.jpg)
or http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/411693
Probably a shoes off and wade job for me... :)
Has anyone broken the 400 gpx down into sections that I couldWhat's your requirement? Do you just prefer to navigate from several tracks/routes instead of one big one?look atpinch please?
— You can do a nifty Larrington Manoeuvre to avoid the Devil's Staircase, which is an ugly ramp — bear R to forestry track at bottom where the Elenydd checkpoint usually is, then keep L at each T to R @ road at top — it's a much steadier gradient than the Staircase and more gravelly (and credit to Iddu for that, back in 2013)In this map (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=c6d9a8ec-d234-4043-9fcb-a7802175cc56&cp=52.191799~-3.723079&lvl=15&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) leave the road at the cattle grid (CG) and follow the obvious route to return to the road north of Pen y Cnwc?
Off here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1871716,-3.7107462,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQEV-q8frsPP62dn08JvlJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and return here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.192559,-3.7266886,3a,75y,334.81h,85.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdZcayf-C0VJ7FqtxuWUGMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Has anyone broken the 400 gpx down into sections that I couldWhat's your requirement? Do you just prefer to navigate from several tracks/routes instead of one big one?look atpinch please?
One big track is working for me. Saves on thinking during the ride!
I'll certainly be giving that one a go :thumbsup: [I've ridden the DS properly, so don't feel any obligation for Saturday.]— You can do a nifty Larrington Manoeuvre to avoid the Devil's Staircase, which is an ugly ramp — bear R to forestry track at bottom where the Elenydd checkpoint usually is, then keep L at each T to R @ road at top — it's a much steadier gradient than the Staircase and more gravelly (and credit to Iddu for that, back in 2013)In this map (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=c6d9a8ec-d234-4043-9fcb-a7802175cc56&cp=52.191799~-3.723079&lvl=15&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) leave the road at the cattle grid (CG) and follow the obvious route to return to the road north of Pen y Cnwc?
Off here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1871716,-3.7107462,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQEV-q8frsPP62dn08JvlJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and return here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.192559,-3.7266886,3a,75y,334.81h,85.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdZcayf-C0VJ7FqtxuWUGMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Yup, that's the one :thumbsup:
Has anyone broken the 400 gpx down into sections that I couldWhat's your requirement? Do you just prefer to navigate from several tracks/routes instead of one big one?look atpinch please?
One big track is working for me. Saves on thinking during the ride!
The big one works fine. It's just good sometimes to have the routes in section to each/the next control.
I'm useless at that stuff and it'd take me longer to do than ride it.
Has anyone broken the 400 gpx down into sections that I couldWhat's your requirement? Do you just prefer to navigate from several tracks/routes instead of one big one?look atpinch please?
One big track is working for me. Saves on thinking during the ride!
The big one works fine. It's just good sometimes to have the routes in section to each/the next control.
I'm useless at that stuff and it'd take me longer to do than ride it.
Here you go. Cut from the route emailed by Mark. https://ridewithgps.com/users/151788/routes (https://ridewithgps.com/users/151788/routes)
Soory to have served up such a boring Sunday ride. However, you could try riding over the Hergest ridge stright out of Kington to the West. It was on our very original draft route.I'll certainly be giving that one a go :thumbsup: [I've ridden the DS properly, so don't feel any obligation for Saturday.]— You can do a nifty Larrington Manoeuvre to avoid the Devil's Staircase, which is an ugly ramp — bear R to forestry track at bottom where the Elenydd checkpoint usually is, then keep L at each T to R @ road at top — it's a much steadier gradient than the Staircase and more gravelly (and credit to Iddu for that, back in 2013)In this map (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=c6d9a8ec-d234-4043-9fcb-a7802175cc56&cp=52.191799~-3.723079&lvl=15&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) leave the road at the cattle grid (CG) and follow the obvious route to return to the road north of Pen y Cnwc?
Off here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1871716,-3.7107462,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQEV-q8frsPP62dn08JvlJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and return here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.192559,-3.7266886,3a,75y,334.81h,85.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdZcayf-C0VJ7FqtxuWUGMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Yup, that's the one :thumbsup:
It's a shame there are no official "interesting" bits on the Sunday for us soft400 riders. If you spot me Nick, feel free to guide me down some interesting paths, but left to my own devices I shall play safe on Sunday.
Soory to have served up such a boring Sunday ride. However, you could try riding over the Hergest ridge stright out of Kington to the East. It was on our very original draft route.;D
If this weekend works out OK, Im going to 'talk' with Mark about the possibility of 400 & 600 v2 routes. Haven ridden them both and looked at more OS maps, I think the Eastern and Southern sections could be 'spiced' up a bit.Soory to have served up such a boring Sunday ride. However, you could try riding over the Hergest ridge stright out of Kington to the East. It was on our very original draft route.;D
Oh please don't be - it looks a LOVELY route. And the climb out of Dinas Mawddwy will be "interesting" enough! I very much doubt that I will WANT any more challenges if you ask me on Sunday.
It looks like you can save 80m of climbing by taking the main road from Llangurig to Llanidloes, and - on the 300 route - you can save 200m (!) in 7km by sticking to the A489 most of the way to Newtown.You'll be missing some nice lanes, and avoiding the task of riding hills, something that Mike never shed away from, that's all.
Would I be missing anything, especially as it'll be dark when I get to Newtown?
...— You can do a nifty Larrington Manoeuvre to avoid the Devil's Staircase, which is an ugly ramp — bear R to forestry track at bottom where the Elenydd checkpoint usually is, then keep L at each T to R @ road at top — it's a much steadier gradient than the Staircase and more gravelly (and credit to Iddu for that, back in 2013)In this map (https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=c6d9a8ec-d234-4043-9fcb-a7802175cc56&cp=52.191799~-3.723079&lvl=15&style=s&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027) leave the road at the cattle grid (CG) and follow the obvious route to return to the road north of Pen y Cnwc?
Off here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1871716,-3.7107462,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQEV-q8frsPP62dn08JvlJA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and return here (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.192559,-3.7266886,3a,75y,334.81h,85.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdZcayf-C0VJ7FqtxuWUGMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
It looks like you can save 80m of climbing by taking the main road from Llangurig to Llanidloes, and - on the 300 route - you can save 200m (!) in 7km by sticking to the A489 most of the way to Newtown.You'll be missing some nice lanes, and avoiding the task of riding hills, something that Mike never shed away from, that's all.
Would I be missing anything, especially as it'll be dark when I get to Newtown?
If anyone's interested, the Geograph.org centisquares image navigator e.g. Tywyn/Bryncrug area (http://www.geograph.org.uk/mapper/?t=tolJ5oOXXJ0oOXJFoOXXJfoObOJqoluOJL5405oMjwMjuNatbXXw8uj¢i=1) can be useful to find images of tracks - some of the photos can be a tad old though...
It looks like you can save 80m of climbing by taking the main road from Llangurig to Llanidloes, and - on the 300 route - you can save 200m (!) in 7km by sticking to the A489 most of the way to Newtown.
Would I be missing anything, especially as it'll be dark when I get to Newtown?
Photo 0303 made me chuckle "what do you mean, 'this is not a tour' "
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I had a lovely day stamping cards...
Thanks Chris, I'll forward the compliments to its builder, Marten Gerritsen (http://www.m-gineering.nl/indexg.htm)!
It was originally conceived as a tourer, I had not done any audax back then. But with its low gearing (Rohloff hub with 42/19 chainring / sprocket) and wide 650b tyres it has proven itself on the Yr Elenydd, the BCM and esp. on TinaT as an audax bike for when the going gets steep. Despite its 30 pound weight (including the kick stand...)
Note to self: next time start eating your sandwiches after the fotoshoot ️
I rode the 400A and 100C
... Extra gravel at the Devils Staircase bypass, thanks Iddu and Wilkyboy ...
Best bike award goes to this guy:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1730/28668842808_2e1c3a0be2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KFnjaf)DSC_0212 (https://flic.kr/p/KFnjaf) by Jo Page (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154699339@N04/), on Flickr
Thanks Chris, I'll forward the compliments to its builder, Marten Gerritsen (http://www.m-gineering.nl/indexg.htm)!
It was originally conceived as a tourer, I had not done any audax back then. But with its low gearing (Rohloff hub with 42/19 chainring / sprocket) and wide 650b tyres it has proven itself on the Yr Elenydd, the BCM and esp. on TinaT as an audax bike for when the going gets steep. Despite its 30 pound weight (including the kick stand...)
Note to self: next time start eating your sandwiches after the fotoshoot ️
... Extra gravel at the Devils Staircase bypass, thanks Iddu and Wilkyboy ...
When we got there on Saturday morning, the gate to the track was closed and apparently there was a sign up that said "Devil's Staircase Bypass Closed" — nice one, Mark (or whoever did that), I chuckled when Alex told me :thumbsup:
As it happened, I rode the staircase itself, as I felt good, so I never got close enough to the sign myself to see what it said :P
Well done to everyone who took part in these amazing events over the weekend, and particularly well done to the outstanding efforts from Mark Rigby and the rest of the Tinat Organisers. I managed to get a few half decent pics - apologies I didn't get all of you and that I haven't had time to edit any photos. I've uploaded some low res files to Flickr, and I am happy to supply the original RAW files if anyone wants them to edit/change etc.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154699339@N04/
Feel free to use the pics for personal use (not commercial).....all I ask for is a small donation to my 'Bring Mo Home' fund which can be found here
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/jo-and-mo
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
A few photos (https://flic.kr/s/aHskzfMgFc)
I was going to give it a go for a change but...There was a bit of discussion but we figured it was most likely closed due to logging which would not be happening on a Sunday. If it had been impassable we had time in hand to retrace and walk the staircase. Turned out fine, nice bit of extra gravel.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1741/42567891521_9ec3a1bc86_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27Rzz7a)20180602_074904 (https://flic.kr/p/27Rzz7a) by jwilton634 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/22204998@N05/), on Flickr
I've started the process of collating videos, articles and photos of the weekend rides. The collection can be found at http://tinat.cymru/stories/ (http://tinat.cymru/stories/)FTFY James :-*
If you know of anymore then let me know.
... I rode the staircase itself, as I felt good, so I never got close enough to the sign myself to see what it said ...
it's an interesting observation that there has not been much post event chat on this thread compared with Fakebook and Instaspam ....presumably old school Forums are not quite so de rigueur these days. ;)
Anyway, for the record I enjoyed a very splendid ride on the slow 400 which incorporated a rather fine wild camp up in the hills above Tywyn. This made for two challenging 200k days which were really not like touring in my book so I'm satisfied I was still within the TINAT ethos! I thought the route was a masterpiece and the organisation a masterclass!
The TINAT rides were advertised as "Welsh Audax bike rides in the spirit of Mike Hall". For you, his friends that were organising this event I'm sure you wanted to 'do Mike's memory proud' and clearly you achieved that and then some! Chapeau to you all!
Thank you Black Sheep and all the others for quite possibly the best weekend of riding I have ever done.
'and now for the Gallery' as someone once said (cue music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om2HbDzZOWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om2HbDzZOWA)):
http://s379.photobucket.com/user/chillmoister/slideshow/Mobile%20Uploads/TINAT%20400%20brevet%20Populaire%20-%20June%202018 (http://s379.photobucket.com/user/chillmoister/slideshow/Mobile%20Uploads/TINAT%20400%20brevet%20Populaire%20-%20June%202018)
Some lovely stuff there, thanks. I don't know the route but did I spot Abergwesyn Common? And possibly the area known as World's End? The track up through the trees put me in mind of one I rode on my way to help out at a control on the National 400 last year, in the Elan Valley - Craig something reservoir?
Thanks again.
Peter
What are you doing on the15th-16th June 2019 ?Er..... this?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180609/34baf02eef08546681c10642d76f0af0.jpg)
What are you doing on the15th-16th June 2019?
www.tinat.cymru (http://www.tinat.cymru)
That's what we thought.What are you doing on the15th-16th June 2019?
www.tinat.cymru (http://www.tinat.cymru)
In the diary was on Highlands 1000 this year. Will make a nice post PBP qualification weekend.
Whoever organised Dafarn Newydd Stores to stay open all night needs a big pat on the back. I think it was Chillmoister ?I can't take the credit for that ...my longstanding wheelman Keeks, of this parish, did the leg work to make them aware of the event and that it might be worth their while opening early on Sunday to support the TINAT riders. Black Sheep saw an even bigger opportunity for them and used his Jedi mind tricks and persuaded them to stay open all Saturday night / Sunday morning :thumbsup:. When I dropped in mid Sunday morning they were 'totally stoked' 8) with the whole experience and definitely want to be involved again. They really felt they had been part of something special ..which they had!
What are you doing on the15th-16th June 2019?
www.tinat.cymru (http://www.tinat.cymru)
Does anyone have the route sheets and GPS files for these routes?
I was not able to ride on the weekend but quite fancy having a crack at some under my own steam over the Summer.
Particularly interested in the two 100km routes and the slow 300km.
Does anyone have the route sheets and GPS files for these routes?
I was not able to ride on the weekend but quite fancy having a crack at some under my own steam over the Summer.
Particularly interested in the two 100km routes and the slow 300km.
And I thought we had more than our fair share of freeloaders on the day.
Does anyone have the route sheets and GPS files for these routes?
I was not able to ride on the weekend but quite fancy having a crack at some under my own steam over the Summer.
Particularly interested in the two 100km routes and the slow 300km.
And I thought we had more than our fair share of freeloaders on the day.
Mark,
I am not really sure how to take your comment. If I have offended you I apologise.
I would be quite happy to make a contribution in return for the route info. Sorry I should have mentioned this in my initial request.
I know that you and your team put a massive amount of effort into these events as well as the normal calendar events you organise.
I appreciate this effort and would not want to take advantage of your hard work.
They're not all up online yet, but the results will be here: http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/Are all finishers up yet? Just curious as a quick tally shows ~ 110 finishers now and there were 500+ registered riders I believe? Yes it was challenging (at least the 300A was) but 80% DNF/HD? Did AUK members on the whole do better than laymen (for lack of a better term)?
I realise that you are not aware of the underhand tricks pulled by quite a number of individuals leading-up to the event or a consoderable number of others on the morning.Because registration was closed and they wanted to ride anyway or just to cheat you out of £8? I'd say the former is just incredibly bad form (use the descriptions/route map and plan your own ride on another weekend instead). As to the second, that's a behaviour I literally cannot comprehend ???
I have no idea of the actual numbers on TINAT, but high-profile events tend to have very high non-starter rates (DNS); especially when there is a low entry fee. [Look-up Blacksheep's 1300k he put on round Scotland. ]They're not all up online yet, but the results will be here: http://www.aukweb.net/results/detail/this/events/Are all finishers up yet? Just curious as a quick tally shows ~ 110 finishers now and there were 500+ registered riders I believe? Yes it was challenging (at least the 300A was) but 80% DNF/HD? Did AUK members on the whole do better than laymen (for lack of a better term)?
I have no idea of the actual numbers on TINAT, but high-profile events tend to have very high non-starter rates (DNS); especially when there is a low entry fee. [Look-up Blacksheep's 1300k he put on round Scotland. ]
80% does seem too high, even for events as tricky as this!
My video effort (12min) captured on the Sunday 100B ride. (Llandrindod Wells-Abergwesyn-Tregaron-Claerwen-Elan)
"TINAT Audax: Claerwen via Devil's staircase" https://youtu.be/u96yVrWK4ms Guest appearances by Kona Ken.
Apologies if the music is not your cup of tea (that or Beethoven's Egmont), and for the VIRB's image stabilisation, such as it is, being a tad lacking in places. :)
#unfinishedbusiness
So, TANIT 600 from Wed...
Bala/Betws/Waunfawr/Bwlch-y-groes/Tywyn/Machynlleth/Llanidloes/Elan Valley/Tregaron/Dolgoch YH then Upper Chapel/Llandindod/Hay/Kington/Kington/Knighton/Newtown/Talerddig/L. Vyrnwy/Bala.
On the hottest days of the year :facepalm: I'm gonna DIE! ;D
#stillunfinishedbusiness
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(https://i.imgur.com/oOVAhf3.jpg)
The moon over Claerwen Reservoir, stupid o'clock
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