COVID19 and Audax UK

[davocon]

Will that includes DIY rides?

[JonBuoy]

From https://audax.uk/media/2107/auk-regulations-2020-02-20.pdf section 7.3.1 Additional Event Classifications:

(f) DIY events (DIY) are permanent events where riders provide the organiser with their own
control details

So I reckon that that will be a yes 

[davocon]

Thanks, I have seen DIY referred (probably correctly) as DIY Permanents, but I just wanted to check. Thank you.   

[Davef]

Excellent

[postie]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km

I have routes sorted for all distances 
And a extra month to do it.

[rob]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km

I have routes sorted for all distances 
And a extra month to do it.

I've got a 600 that starts a 15 minute ride away.   Annoyingly bit tied up at the moment.

[Nick Firth]

I need an SR for Ultra (10) it's going to be hard, I finished a 200 yesterday in a coma from the waist down.

[Davef]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km

I have routes sorted for all distances 
And a extra month to do it.

I had planned to finish my season at the start of August post lejog and change sport temporarily. With that kind of fighting talk I might have to do a validated SR in September. Are ECEs ok ?

[LittleWheelsandBig]

Hoping to finish a SR by the end of September, conditions allowing. As usual, building up the distances to allow the body to adapt to long distance again.

Not keen on long distance rides in 30+ degrees without a big mileage in the bank already as there is too much chance of breaking myself. I hope that next week will be cooler.

[postie]

It's going to be a late season blast
Like the idea of moving back to 31st October season finish in line with brm.

[Bikeabilityman]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km

I have routes sorted for all distances 
And a extra month to do it.

I had planned to finish my season at the start of August post lejog and change sport temporarily. With that kind of fighting talk I might have to do a validated SR in September. Are ECEs ok ?

They usually are. I was hoping to do one SR this Audax year. A DIY 600 to my dad and back would be perfect.

[Ajax Bay]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km
I have routes sorted for all distances 
And a extra month to do it.

I had planned to finish my season at the start of August post lejog and change sport temporarily. With that kind of fighting talk I might have to do a validated SR in September. Are ECEs ok ?

ECEs are 'OK', effectively wef 1 Sep, of course.
300 DIY early next week for me: Tue/Wed forecast looks best, after le deluge and before the storm - tail end of Hurricane Lorenzo.

[Charco]

Am I right in thinking the board announcement means that cal events will return with limit of 6 people?


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[postie]

I think not, but I understand there is a limit to how many rides
British cycling currently Say a 30 person limit as I understand

All will become clearer in the next few days I guess.

[mattc]

S. R. here we come, I don't expect those who have been whining like babies to rush out and do a 600km

I've got one planned for 2 weeks time. (Booked a couple of weeks ago.)

Do feel free to clarify if that is "rushing out", and whether you think I was "whining like a baby"

[bairn again]

My intention is to complete my SR by doing them in the following order : 400-600-300 starting next weekend and with a weekend off in between each one.

Conventional wisdom would suggest building up in distance but I think Id prefer to take advantage of the longer days (iirc theres over 2 hours more daylight at the beginning of September than the end) and better weather (maybe) to switch the order.  I will ease myself in by doing a “gentlemans” 400 ie lunchtime start, 2 loops of 200 with a sleep/wash/tlc in between. 

Of course it could all fall foul of what happens to best laid plans. 

[Wycombewheeler]

300 done in March before lockdown.  400 next weekend.  This weekend bike maintenence.

[Lightning Phil]

I think not, but I understand there is a limit to how many rides
British cycling currently Say a 30 person limit as I understand

All will become clearer in the next few days I guess.

I believe the BC guidance on up to 30 people is for training only.

The advice (and stated law ) currently on the UK government website is still no more than 6 different households outside, or up to 30  for specific reasons, which audax events don’t qualify under. So it’ll be interesting to see what the audax UK guidance is, if they want larger numbers, for calendar events. Else why bother over and above perms? They’d have to be clear segregation of riders to ensure no more than six (including organiser) gathered together at start and finish. Plus riders would have to be reminded no more than six gathered together during the ride.  It’s all about the interpretation of gathered together for the purposes of this 30 people figure.

Here’s the current text on the UK government website.

“ You should only be socialising in groups of up to two households (including your support bubble) indoors and outdoors or up to six people from different households when outdoors.

More generally, you can continue to meet in larger groups if necessary for work, voluntary or charitable services, education, childcare or training, elite sporting competition or training, to fulfil legal obligations, to provide emergency assistance, or to enable someone to avoid illness, injury or risk of harm.

It is otherwise against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces). Businesses and venues following COVID-19 Secure guidelines can host larger groups. This is also the case for events in public outdoor spaces that are organised by businesses, charitable or political organisations, and public bodies, provided they take reasonable steps to mitigate the risk of transmission, in line with COVID-19 Secure guidance and including completion of a risk assessment. This can include weddings, civil partnership ceremonies and funerals (which we advise should be limited to no more than 30 people), religious ceremonies and services, community activities and support groups. Any other gathering in an outdoor space or in a private home (or garden) must not be any larger than 30 people.”

[grams]

Our BC club is running rides on a Sunday morning again. Nominally we've pre-organised rides online with groups of six but everyone is now meeting in the same place at the same time and a certain amount of socialising is happening.

So at least briefly there's far more than 6 people gathering at once, same as might happen at a staggered start calendar event.

I can't find anything explicit about this being allowed in the BC guidance, but previously they required us to meet in separate places, so I presume they've had new information. I should ask.

[Kim]

We have a numbers limit of 60 people for the BHPC racing at Darley Moor (all outdoor, apart from a basic toilet block).  I think this is being imposed by the venue, which is presumably following some motorsport organisation's guidelines.

Whether we count as "elite sporting competition" left as an exercise for the reader...

[Charco]

Im struggling to get my head around how triathlon events can be allowed but audax limited to 6 over 300km.....


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[Davef]

Im struggling to get my head around how triathlon events can be allowed but audax limited to 6 over 300km.....


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Most triathlons are non drafting so you dq for being within 8m in the bike bit. Multiple separated groups of 6 are allowed under bc rules since 18th June. I did a club TT with 52 participants last week. I also swim in a lake at the same time as 99 other people. No laws are broken. I am more intrigued by British athletics organising runs with up to 4000 competitors in the next week.


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[Charco]

I get there is no drafting on the bike but I’m thinking more about that amount of people going to one location. Toilets etc. Seems to me  to be higher risk than an audax. Do people ride audax in groups of 6 or larger?

Maybe it’s just me but I would feel far safer on a 300km audax w normal numbers riding at my own pace than on a 80km club ride w 5 others 


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[Davef]

I get there is no drafting on the bike but I’m thinking more about that amount of people going to one location. Toilets etc. Seems to me  to be higher risk than an audax. Do people ride audax in groups of 6 or larger?

Maybe it’s just me but I would feel far safer on a 300km audax w normal numbers riding at my own pace than on a 80km club ride w 5 others 


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British triathlon are only allowing small local triathlons currently.

Interestingly I just got notification that a sportive I do most years organised by a local charity is going ahead with no manned start, no specific start time and you have to complete it on one of the 3 days of the aug bank holiday. Rather than the usual 3 controls, there will be a choice of about 20 pubs and cafes participating. Finishers medals will be posted to those that have joined the strava group for the event.

[phil d]

I'm hoping to run Upper Thames this year (Nov 7th) and am well advanced in post-Covid planning. The numbers thing remains the one major unknown. I normally have about 100 starters, though this year expect rather less. But even 50 starting together would be driving a coach and horses through current guidance. My current thinking is to allocate multiple time-slots for starting between 0700 and 0830 (we normally start at 0730), with small groups setting off every 10 minutes. Groups will quickly break up (and possibly re-form) down the road, so I'm not concerned about numbers except at the start.

Otherwise planning is well advanced in terms of how I manage the depart and arrivee, including the use of bar-code scanning to determine actual departure time of each rider so I can properly measure ride elapsed time.

Unfortunately it doesn't look as if we'll be able to provide food at start or finish, though I'm hoping hot drinks will be possible.