COVID19 and Audax UK

[FifeingEejit]

You either believe in the collective good or you don't... clearly a lot of people don't.

I've got a great idea that they don't, but they tend to be the ones that moan about waiting times and stuff whenever it affects them directly.
They'll love not using the collective good that is the UKs health services, bit fucked without it I suppose since private doesn't cover the same range of services.

Of course that's totally unethical if your'e a medic, but I'm not so...

[rob]

I can work from home but I don’t really like it.  In fact I’m shit at it.

I’m going to the office 2 days a week but riding there.   We have a rota to reduce mixing.

[Davef]

We have a rota to reduce mixing.

I heard bread makers have them to increase mixing.

[Karla]

I should also point out that my compliance would be the same, even if I was less comfortable in following the rules...

The 'common good' matches up with your personal good?  How very convenient.  You'd do the same even if it wasn't so marvellously advantageous for you personally?  Yeah right 

[Hot Flatus]

Eww

[Ajax Bay]

Here's a neat Travel Isochrones app to work out how far one 'could' ride (at about ?9? mph) if one wanted to stay within 30 minutes (say) of 'home' during one's exercise:
https://api.geoapify.com/v1/isoline?lat=51.630211&lon=-0.766676&type=time&mode=bicycle&range=1800&apiKey=YOUR_API_KEY
because one thought one might have a mechanical which makes one's well-serviced, dependable bike unrideable, for the first time in years.
[Edit: Try: https://apidocs.geoapify.com/playground/icon and here's another: https://app.traveltime.com/search/0_lat=51.62826&0_lng=-0.77211&0_title=High%20Wycombe%2C%20England%2C%20United%20Kingdom&0_mode=cycling_ferry ]
NB I am not suggesting riders limit themselves in any way, other than complying with local/regional/national rules/guidelines/laws, and thoroughly enjoyed my 200 DIY last week.

[JonBuoy]

On Chrome and Edge I just get:

{"statusCode":401,"error":"Unauthorized","message":"Invalid apiKey"}

[Ben T]

Here's a neat app to work out how far one 'could' ride (at about ?9? mph) if one wanted to stay within 30 minutes (say) of 'home' during one's exercise:
https://api.geoapify.com/v1/isoline?lat=51.630211&lon=-0.766676&type=time&mode=bicycle&range=1800&apiKey=YOUR_API_KEY
because one thought one might have a mechanical which makes one's well-serviced, dependable bike unrideable, for the first time in years.
NB I am not suggesting riders limit themselves in any way, other than complying with local/regional/national rules/guidelines/laws, and thoroughly enjoyed my 200 DIY last week.

Brilliant. That's such a great idea I might even be bothered to sign up for my own API key.

[Socks]

Just looking at the new guidance for Tier 3 (which is what the North East of England is in until at least mid-December.  It includes:

"People are advised not to travel to and from tier three areas"

So for my December DIY looks like I should avoid one of my regular routes, which travels into North Yorkshire (Tier 2).  Still plenty of scope if I head North or West instead.

[Ben T]

Just looking at the new guidance for Tier 3 (which is what the North East of England is in until at least mid-December.  It includes:

"People are advised not to travel to and from tier three areas"

So for my December DIY looks like I should avoid one of my regular routes, which travels into North Yorkshire (Tier 2).  Still plenty of scope if I head North or West instead.

if they made the whole country tier 3 you could travel wherever you like   

[Wycombewheeler]

Just looking at the new guidance for Tier 3 (which is what the North East of England is in until at least mid-December.  It includes:

"People are advised not to travel to and from tier three areas"

So for my December DIY looks like I should avoid one of my regular routes, which travels into North Yorkshire (Tier 2).  Still plenty of scope if I head North or West instead.

if they made the whole country tier 3 you could travel wherever you like   

But I wouldn't be able to have a wetherspoons lunch 

[JonBuoy]

Just looking at the new guidance for Tier 3 (which is what the North East of England is in until at least mid-December.  It includes:

"People are advised not to travel to and from tier three areas"

So for my December DIY looks like I should avoid one of my regular routes, which travels into North Yorkshire (Tier 2).  Still plenty of scope if I head North or West instead.

It also states:

You can travel through other areas as part of a longer journey

[Frank9755]

What is the current situation regarding calendar events (in England)?

I had assumed they were suspended but it looks like there are quite a few open for entry.  Are they actually happening? 

[Lightning Phil]

There was an assumption they’d be able to resume after lockdown 2.  I guess word needs to come from the board on what they plan to allow. So any entry is on the basis a calendar event may or may not go ahead.

Tier 2 (high) has

“Exercise classes and organised adult sport can take place outdoors, but not indoors if it involves people from different households mixing.”

So I’d imagine calendar events purely in tier 2 will be allowed.

[Ben T]

But I wouldn't be able to have a wetherspoons lunch 

I know, PITA innit 


It's a crying shame the tier 3 areas don't completely encircle the tier 2 areas, cos I'm sure someone would then immediately devise a DIY round them 

[Tomsk]

What is the current situation regarding calendar events (in England)?

I had assumed they were suspended but it looks like there are quite a few open for entry.  Are they actually happening?

My assumption is that events can go ahead from 2nd December. I've heard nothing to the contrary and entries are still coming in for my Stansted Airport Express 100km on 5th, though the 50 rider limit is nearly reached and entries close soon. I just need to check out a few cafes and pubs en-route next week: some were doing takeaways when we checked the route last Sunday, so they'll at least be open for some sort of business, we'll see ...

I've a fair bit of admin to do this weekend in anticipation, allocating groups and gettting my head around the practicalities of the extensive covid safety procedures I've signed up to with AUK.

[Wycombewheeler]

There was an assumption they’d be able to resume after lockdown 2.  I guess word needs to come from the board on what they plan to allow. So any entry is on the basis a calendar event may or may not go ahead.

Tier 2 (high) has

“Exercise classes and organised adult sport can take place outdoors, but not indoors if it involves people from different households mixing.”

So I’d imagine calendar events purely in tier 2 will be allowed.

You could make a case for events passing through tier 3 as long as the controls were all in tier 2, not sure if any routes would meet this description

[Geriatricdolan]

My perm moves from tier 3 to tier 2 areas, so I guess I will keep it frozen for a little longer than anticipated

[Philip Whiteman]

My audax on 5th December is going ahead despite the route including tier 3 Warwickshire.   Around 75% of the route is in tier 2.

In tier 3, government regulations allow for both non-contact sporting events and groups of individuals in groups of upto six socialising in outdoor public spaces. So on both counts, audaxes are not restricted.

For the control in Warwickshire, riders will still be able to use hospitality where sales by takeaway are permitted or by using normal food shops  However, riders will be warned against congregating in indoor settings.   The first control is located in tier 3 Warwickshire  but most will only make a brief stop to register their ride on the e-brevet, collect a receipt or ride straight through if using GPS tracking for evidence.  As such, it is unlikely that a substantial number of riders will be stopping to use cafes or to collect provisions.

All entrants will be set off from Droitwich (tier 2) at dispersed times over a period of sixty minutes reducing inopportune socialising of more than six people arriving at the first control in Warwickshire. Details on the tier 2 and 3 affected areas along with respective regulations for each will be sent out to entrants next week with an instruction to remain compliant to the regulations as set out by government.

AUK have not contacted me with any details to the contrary.

[Lightning Phil]

Good luck. I think my December 200 will be a DIY. Hopefully a calendar event in Jan.

[cygnet]

But I wouldn't be able to have a wetherspoons lunch 

I know, PITA innit 


It's a crying shame the tier 3 areas don't completely encircle the tier 2 areas, cos I'm sure someone would then immediately devise a DIY round them 

I've a 200k route entirely within that London should restrictions so apply:  not yet passed by a DIY org as it's pretty silly and done to meet a specific concept.

[Geriatricdolan]

My audax on 5th December is going ahead despite the route including tier 3 Warwickshire.   Around 75% of the route is in tier 2.

In tier 3, government regulations allow for both non-contact sporting events and groups of individuals in groups of upto six socialising in outdoor public spaces. So on both counts, audaxes are not restricted.

For the control in Warwickshire, riders will still be able to use hospitality where sales by takeaway are permitted or by using normal food shops  However, riders will be warned against congregating in indoor settings.   The first control is located in tier 3 Warwickshire  but most will only make a brief stop to register their ride on the e-brevet, collect a receipt or ride straight through if using GPS tracking for evidence.  As such, it is unlikely that a substantial number of riders will be stopping to use cafes or to collect provisions.

All entrants will be set off from Droitwich (tier 2) at dispersed times over a period of sixty minutes reducing inopportune socialising of more than six people arriving at the first control in Warwickshire. Details on the tier 2 and 3 affected areas along with respective regulations for each will be sent out to entrants next week with an instruction to remain compliant to the regulations as set out by government.

AUK have not contacted me with any details to the contrary.

Maybe I am being overzealous...

I had a plan to do half an Everest (it's called Basecamp, apparently), but the hill I had chosen is in a tier 2 area, and we are tier 3... so I decided to mothball the attempt for now...
There is a fair chance we will be downgraded to tier 2 at the earliest opportunity... rate is under 200 and falling right now

[mattc]

My audax on 5th December is going ahead despite the route including tier 3 Warwickshire.   Around 75% of the route is in tier 2.

In tier 3, government regulations allow for both non-contact sporting events and groups of individuals in groups of upto six socialising in outdoor public spaces. So on both counts, audaxes are not restricted.

For the control in Warwickshire, riders will still be able to use hospitality where sales by takeaway are permitted or by using normal food shops  However, riders will be warned against congregating in indoor settings.   The first control is located in tier 3 Warwickshire  but most will only make a brief stop to register their ride on the e-brevet, collect a receipt or ride straight through if using GPS tracking for evidence.  As such, it is unlikely that a substantial number of riders will be stopping to use cafes or to collect provisions.

All entrants will be set off from Droitwich (tier 2) at dispersed times over a period of sixty minutes reducing inopportune socialising of more than six people arriving at the first control in Warwickshire. Details on the tier 2 and 3 affected areas along with respective regulations for each will be sent out to entrants next week with an instruction to remain compliant to the regulations as set out by government.

AUK have not contacted me with any details to the contrary.

This sounds like a completely reasonable set of arrangements.

And it sounds like AUK may finally be starting to just let organisers and riders get on with riding and following the law of the land themselves. 

[Ben T]

Maybe I am being overzealous...

I had a plan to do half an Everest (it's called Basecamp, apparently), but the hill I had chosen is in a tier 2 area, and we are tier 3... so I decided to mothball the attempt for now...
There is a fair chance we will be downgraded to tier 2 at the earliest opportunity... rate is under 200 and falling right now

Might want to also bear in mind that it's grown. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mount-everest-height-china-nepal-b1767856.html

[CrazyEnglishTriathlete]

Maybe I am being overzealous...

I had a plan to do half an Everest (it's called Basecamp, apparently), but the hill I had chosen is in a tier 2 area, and we are tier 3... so I decided to mothball the attempt for now...
There is a fair chance we will be downgraded to tier 2 at the earliest opportunity... rate is under 200 and falling right now

Might want to also bear in mind that it's grown. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/mount-everest-height-china-nepal-b1767856.html

I like the story of Andrew Waugh, the British Surveyor General of India, who was the first to accurately measure the height of Everest, which came to exactly 29,000 feet at the time.  Worried that a round number would cause accusations of estimation, he added two feet to the total, coming to the figure of 29,002 feet, and becoming the first person to put 'two feet' on Everest.