Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => Topic started by: dat on 09 November, 2018, 02:32:39 pm
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I've just put my deposit down for a Bob Jackson Vigorelli I now have a week or so to choose the paint.
Frame wise it's a standard Vigorelli with a pair of brakes, mudguards eyelets and I've got them agreeing to using the "b25" flat fork crown http://www.framebuilding.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/Cast%20Fork%20Crowns.htm
It's being built up with silver components mainly Dura-ace track and nitto parts. I'm talking to Mike about building me a set of wheels, DA hubs with either Open Pro or TB14 rims.
The hard part is the paint, it will have no tubing decal (being built with 631/725 mix) and will need lug lining. I'm leaning towards purple or blue but I'm open to any suggestions.
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This is rather nice.
(https://mharding.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mg_6957.jpg?w=1000&h=)
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I have always liked the look of the Richard Sachs frames. So I would be looking there for inspiration.
I agree though, the one you have pictured is very pretty .
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I had a sort plum coloured frame with chrome stays. Looked amazing. Deep flamboyant burgundy is always nice.
Curious about your choice of DA hubs. Not the most well sealed...hence not a common choice on UK roads.
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This is rather nice.
(https://mharding.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mg_6957.jpg?w=1000&h=)
Hi DaT. Is the paint a Poly-chromatic Finish with Pearl White ?
I am running Mavic Aksium Race on Mavic Aksium Cartridge Hubs with bladed spokes om both of my bikes - one is a Steve Goff in Poly-chromatic Blue with chromed forks and the other is a Bianchi Via Nirone 7 Alu Carbon Flat-bar Hybrid.
I had Open Pro on my last Bianchi and they suffered with spoke eyelet corrosion that could not be arrested as it had extended into the rims - my bikes were always cleaned down/dried off if ever I was caught out in the rain but it still was a blight.
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This is rather nice.
(https://mharding.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/mg_6957.jpg?w=1000&h=)
Hi DaT. Is the paint a Poly-chromatic Finish with Pearl White ?
Stole it from here https://mharding.wordpress.com/category/bob-jackson-tack-vigorelli/
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I had a sort plum coloured frame with chrome stays. Looked amazing. Deep flamboyant burgundy is always nice.
Curious about your choice of DA hubs. Not the most well sealed...hence not a common choice on UK roads.
I got the hubs new for £100. I don't have huge amounts of time to go out on the bike so as long as I keep up with maintenance I'll hopefully be OK.
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Maybe metallic purple, white decal on downtube, no lug lining. Silver components, black saddle, tape and tyres.
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Traditionally, BJs are white pearl with red lining.
I like flams; nothing looks bad in them. I avoid dark colours for sportier bikes as they look heavy - they're good on tourers.
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Hi DaT. Is the paint a Poly-chromatic Finish with Pearl White ?
For contrasting headtube and seat post bands I think I actually prefer plain white enamel
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Traditionally, BJs are white pearl with red lining.
I like flams; nothing looks bad in them. I avoid dark colours for sportier bikes as they look heavy - they're good on tourers.
I agree, my Hewitt Cheviot SE is a very dark green flamboyant, but am thinking of turquoise pearl with white panels for the Mercian Strada Speciale road bike frame I have on order, with white panels, headtube and lug lining
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I thought Vigorellis had to be Oxford Blue. It's the law or an old charter or something.
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Is there anything like the old Mercian bike creator still around so I can play with colours?
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Is there anything like the old Mercian bike creator still around so I can play with colours?
I wish :-(
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Traditionally, BJs are white pearl with red lining.
I like flams; nothing looks bad in them. I avoid dark colours for sportier bikes as they look heavy - they're good on tourers.
I agree, my Hewitt Cheviot SE is a very dark green flamboyant, but am thinking of turquoise pearl with white panels for the Mercian Strada Speciale road bike frame I have on order, with white panels, headtube and lug lining
This Jack Taylor Mondrian restoration job Mercian inspired me, though will omit the white double box lining, will go for white lug-lining instead of light blue, and thin gold bands seperating the white panels from the turquoise, instead of the champ bands:
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(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/b1f93eb9ec79278d46534d41facf4477/5C863CB6/t51.2885-15/e35/39378038_451031062073791_4751973750692380672_n.jpg) (https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/b1f93eb9ec79278d46534d41facf4477/5C863CB6/t51.2885-15/e35/39378038_451031062073791_4751973750692380672_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/af913669b84f91540f67adbc9a25c6a2/5C84B1E8/t51.2885-15/e35/39040769_250724439113160_8874858118211698688_n.jpg) (https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/af913669b84f91540f67adbc9a25c6a2/5C84B1E8/t51.2885-15/e35/39040769_250724439113160_8874858118211698688_n.jpg)
Perhaps nearer to this, for the frame anyway - for me the tricky bit will be finding enough space for a second water bottle on the seat tube with that design, as my frame will only be 53cm c-t. Might put the Reynolds 853 PT transfer on the bottom of the down tube instead of the top of the seat tube, perhaps, might all be bit crowded otherwise:
(https://i.imgur.com/lVzik8y.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lVzik8y.jpg)
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I'm thinking metallic purple, black decals and maybe black lug lining. Two decals only one on the down tube (Bob Jackson) and a crest on the head. Components would be silver with black rims/tyres saddle and tape to pick up the black notes on the frame.
It sounds good in my head but I can't find a bike like it... :(
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I bought a nice handbuilt frameset years ago in a colour I wasn't quite sure about. It was (at least this is the closest match I have found) a colour called 'Ford Purple Velvet'.
(http://hotrodswede.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Purple_Velvet_Pearl_Custom_Paints.jpg)
I guess I am used to it now or something, maybe I even like it.... Anyway it has white decals on it, and I would say that with most shades of purple, black decals would pretty much be lost on it.
Found pics of bikes similar to your plan;
(https://www.pedalroom.com/p/purple-bridgestone-njs-13450_36.jpg)
(https://www.pedalroom.com/p/purple-bridgestone-njs-13450_5.jpg)
(https://www.pedalroom.com/p/purple-bridgestone-njs-13450_20.jpg)
(https://www.pedalroom.com/p/purple-bridgestone-njs-13450_28.jpg)
maybe it was a standard Bridgestone colour scheme?
white decals do stand out better...?
(http://www.velospace.org/files/hangbridge.jpg)
cheers
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In my view track bikes and road bikes have a different aesthetic. Road bikes are inherently “ fussy” whereas track bikes are more “ pure”
In that what you are getting from Bob Jackson is what we used to call a “ road/ track” bike I guess you could go either way.
If it was me, I’d be going to replicate the classic white based finish that Ian Hallam had when he was riding Jackson.
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I think it is either going to be
Metallic blue, white decals, white lug lining.
Metallic dark purple, white decals, no lug lining.
Metallic dark purple, white decals, white lug lining, white barber pole, white head tube.
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Flam blue. Theirs is good. My old Fuji Track was sprayed by BJ.
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How about this? The owner says it's black and grigio, looks blue. I could always get it in wordperfect blue.
Found the old colour pictures from BJ's website.
http://cosmico.jp/order/colors
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Purple Velvet was a 1970s colour on MkIII Tina's. It's a good bit darker than Brucey's pic. It was also used on the Viking Vision. There's one in Redshift's shed.
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How about this? The owner says it's black and grigio, looks blue. I could always get it in wordperfect blue.
Found the old colour pictures from BJ's website.
http://cosmico.jp/order/colors
Be aware that those images of the paint colours do not have colour profiles tagged in the JPEGs. Therefore they are meaningless even in a colour-managed browser. Perhaps that is why the Bob Jackson website no longer presents them.
If you have to use them anyway, the least risky way is probably to download the JPEGs and assign sRGB profiles to them in an image editor.
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Purple Velvet was a 1970s colour on MkIII Tina's. It's a good bit darker than Brucey's pic.....
depends on which shade you use....?
(http://awsmedia2.turbosport.co.uk/2011/5/2013031620467289924IMG_0544%20(Small).JPG)
;D
cheers
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I rather like this purple and white De Rosa:
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(https://i.imgur.com/8n7vzFT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8n7vzFT.jpg)
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I think it is either going to be
Metallic blue, white decals, white lug lining.
Metallic dark purple, white decals, no lug lining.
Metallic dark purple, white decals, white lug lining, white barber pole, white head tube.
Purple, with white Barber's Pole did you say?
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(https://i.imgur.com/gPtkIly.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/gPtkIly.jpg)
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White bar tape. Brave.
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White bar tape. Brave.
Looks like it's photographed in Britain too... Although I suspect that's a "good weather-only" bike...
For my turquoise Strada I was thinking white cable outers (which you can at least wipe easily), but probably black bar tape and saddle, though brown or honey might look better.
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Who makes decent amberwall tyres now?
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Who makes decent amberwall tyres now?
New thread:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=110157.0
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Who makes decent amberwall tyres now?
Am going to try Veloflex on my Strada, they do their "Master" open clincher in 25mm and even 28mm these days:
http://www.veloflex.it/en/open-tubulars/open-tubular-master28
I'm not going to be commuting on my Strada or using it in winter, though.
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25mm won't fit on my Ron Cooper road bike or Harry Quinn track bike (at least not with 47 x 18). Too close to the seat tube.
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25mm won't fit on my Ron Cooper road bike or Harry Quinn track bike (at least not with 47 x 18). Too close to the seat tube.
Veloflex might? They come up pretty small, unlike most 25mm. Either bang on or under, depending on the rim. Although I don't know quite how tight things are for your frame.
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It's going to be...
Viola metallic paint, one white downtube decal (Bob Jackson), headtube crest, no lug lining, tubing transfers or the made in UK flag.
Inspiration from this.
(https://lfgss.microco.sm/api/v1/files/813c6a23a659c7be2fa827a4d54baf6f2bce2009.jpeg)
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The new-style Reynolds transfers are ridiculously large. I wouldn't want one either.
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Sparkly purple - excellent choice. :thumbsup:
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The new-style Reynolds transfers are ridiculously large. I wouldn't want one either.
For my Mercian Strada frame, which is quite small (53cm c-t) I was thinking of putting it on the top of the downtube, behind the chainset, as am thinking of a panel and dual bands on the seatube and will be pretty cramped otherwise and would stand out more on a smaller frame than a larger one/
I'd like the transfer somewhere, as the frame is going to be in posh Reynolds 853 Pro Team tubing, but this would be a bit more discrete - in fact this is exactly where the Reynolds 725 sticker was put on my Hewitt Cheviot. On some bikes I've also seen it place on the downtube above the gear cable mounts/bosses, which is another option. In noticed that Ellis Briggs seem to put the transfer on the front of the seat tube, but below the front derailleur.
I haven't decided 100% where to put it though. I will probably also put the (much smaller) Reynolds transfers on the top of the forks still.
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Turned out quite well. Plan on doing my first SR this season on it.
(https://i.redd.it/d3k6fujp2u321.jpg)
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Turned out quite well. Plan on doing my first SR this season on it.
(https://i.redd.it/d3k6fujp2u321.jpg)
Looking good! Out of interest, which handlebars did you put on that? Is that a Nitto Pearl stem? I which case I assume the bars are for 26mm clamp?
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Nitto Pearl stem from planet x (25.4mm) with compass parallel handlebars.
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Have you tried Nitto Grand Randonneurs? Also 25.4 and quite different to other dropped bars. I like them and have them on three bikes!
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Yes, I prefer compass randonneur bars though. The upsweep cups the hand better. I picked these as a change, they seem to work but I think I prefer the compass randonneurs.
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Nitto Pearl stem from planet x (25.4mm) with compass parallel handlebars.
Thanks, still trying to decide what bars to put on my Mercian Strada road bike when they eventually make it... Will be using Campagnolo Veloce shifters (2006 vintage), so was half-thinking of Nitto M190 Euro 80 bar, though not sure if I'd love or hate the ergo shape: https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-m190-euro-81
What's the drop and reach on the Compass Parallel bars?
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https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/handlebars/maes-parallel-254-handlebars/
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https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/handlebars/maes-parallel-254-handlebars/
So 115mm reach, 125mm drop
That seems a very long reach, aren't most non-compact bars about 85mm or so? I think the frame sizing I have assumes around a 90mm stem and 85mm reach on the bars, so with those bars I'd likely need something like a 60mm stem, which seems very short... They do look very nice, though...
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I like long ramps on drop bars so most modern shapes don't work for me. The idea with the parallel bars is that you don't stay on the hoods, you use the ramps quite a bit. I'd say go for a spin on mine but I doubt you're in the south west.
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Long ramps make sense for long distance riding (my tourer is setup a bit like this, though the bend and drop is different), perhaps less so for fast, close, group riding, where you're more likely to be on or near the hoods a lot of the time. I intend to use my Strada for club rides, so perhaps shorter ramps would be better for that.
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IMV short ramps presupposes that you are going to spend most of your time on the hoods. This in turn is driven by the tyranny of STI/ergos. As soon as you liberate yourself from that (eg by having different shifters or indeed no shifters) then you can have the handlebars you really want instead of the handlebars that the shifters force you to have.
cheers
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IMV short ramps presupposes that you are going to spend most of your time on the hoods. This in turn is driven by the tyranny of STI/ergos. As soon as you liberate yourself from that (eg by having different shifters or indeed no shifters) then you can have the handlebars you really want instead of the handlebars that the shifters force you to have.
cheers
I agree, 90% of the time I have downtube shifters. The late shimano brake levers are some of the best made.
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IMV short ramps presupposes that you are going to spend most of your time on the hoods. This in turn is driven by the tyranny of STI/ergos. As soon as you liberate yourself from that (eg by having different shifters or indeed no shifters) then you can have the handlebars you really want instead of the handlebars that the shifters force you to have.
cheers
I agree, 90% of the time I have downtube shifters. The late shimano brake levers are some of the best made.
I'm not disputing that, am very happy with the Shimano brake levers Brucey recommended I put on my tourer (which currently has Dura Ace 7700 bar end shifters, which work very well), but I find this arrangement less ideal for club rides, when riding in a close, fast group - makes me a bit nervous not to be on or near there hoods then, which is one of the reasons I'm intending to put Campagnolo Veloce Ergos (the old style ones) on my Strada.
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IMV short ramps presupposes that you are going to spend most of your time on the hoods. This in turn is driven by the tyranny of STI/ergos. As soon as you liberate yourself from that (eg by having different shifters or indeed no shifters) then you can have the handlebars you really want instead of the handlebars that the shifters force you to have.
cheers
I agree, 90% of the time I have downtube shifters. The late shimano brake levers are some of the best made.
I'm not disputing that, am very happy with the Shimano brake levers Brucey recommended I put on my tourer (which currently has Dura Ace 7700 bar end shifters, which work very well), but I find this arrangement less ideal for club rides, when riding in a close, fast group - makes me a bit nervous not to be on or near there hoods then, which is one of the reasons I'm intending to put Campagnolo Veloce Ergos (the old style ones) on my Strada.
I understand completely. My comment wasn't an attack on your choice, more agreeing with Brucey.
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I'm wondering how we didn't just collide with one another all the time before STIs came out.... just lucky I guess.... ;)
cheers
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BTW one of the reasons I like the old style Campagnolo Ergos is that they're not massively huge and long, like modern Shimano STI shifters, they're not much larger than plain brake levers, so you don't need ultra short compact bars.
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BTW one of the reasons I like the old style Campagnolo Ergos is that they're not massively huge and long, like modern Shimano STI shifters, they're not much larger than plain brake levers, so you don't need ultra short compact bars.
Someone I ride with has ordered a shorter stem for his "fast" bike because of the difference in length between older and newer campag ergos. Saying that his original ergos must of lasted at least 20,000miles.
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You rarely see the pros on the drops now. They might as well use bullhorns. I think this is for two related reasons: they grew up with STI, and the fashion for slamming the stem right down on the headset top cap means they can't comfortably ride on the drops anyway.
I like a drop to the bars of between 2" and 4", and I use them if I'm riding at any sort of speed or if there's a headwind.
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I use the drops when going fast, I find it more stable. I like some bar to saddle drop as seen in the picture but nothing extreme.
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I like using the drops for fast bursts on the flat, going aero downhill, headwinds, and sometimes just for a change of position - I have long term chronic back pain (cycling didn't cause it) and staying in one position for too long makes it worse, so swapping back and forth from the drops to the hoods or ramps quite often helps. I don't like to slam the stem right down either, but do want some drop to the top of the bars.