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Title: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: eck on 21 April, 2008, 05:07:33 pm
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2131/2428872302_441d66daa1.jpg?v=0)

Here is a junction, three from the finish of the Snow Roads. Riders should turn left into the minor road, where the car is coming out. The major road swings hard right.
Do I say: "L (sp SO) B955 Cortachy" or "L B955 sp Cortachy", or "SO B955 sp Cortachy". The sign, partly obscured by the tree, at the junction indicates a left turn for the B955, not straight on.  :-\

EDIT: I did a 200 DIY yesterday and took some more foties of some junctions of the lower half of the Snow Roads route: I'll put them in the Gallery later if anyone's interested?
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Polar Bear on 21 April, 2008, 05:10:25 pm
I'd say L because the riders will be deviating from their current carriageway.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: alan on 21 April, 2008, 05:13:29 pm
Left turn on right-hand bend
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: annie on 21 April, 2008, 05:13:53 pm
L
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Greenbank on 21 April, 2008, 05:15:20 pm
I'd expect that to be:-

L sp B955 Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: delthebike on 21 April, 2008, 05:18:07 pm
L sp B955 Cortachy
Not having seen many route sheets I'd make Greenbanks' line:
L at fork sp B955 Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Rob on 21 April, 2008, 05:20:29 pm
I've written a few and would put :-

L (appears SO) sp Cortachy* (B955)
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Greenbank on 21 April, 2008, 05:22:27 pm
To me a fork is where the road splits and there are no road markings to make it obvious which way is continuing on the current road, and which way is turning off the current road. More common on minor roads.

I wouldn't class the above junction as a fork because there are road markings.

FWIW the Severn Across routesheet has an instruction:-

L (physically SO) on RH bend sp TOWN CENTRE

The other end of the spectrum I've seen a routesheet that didn't even include directions on it unless necessary. The above junction would have just been:

B955 Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: LEE on 21 April, 2008, 05:26:55 pm
I'd expect that to be:-

L sp B955 Cortachy

+1
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: hellymedic on 21 April, 2008, 05:29:51 pm
Left turn on right-hand bend

I'd say a variation on this:
Left on right hand bend, sp B955 Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: border-rider on 21 April, 2008, 05:31:47 pm
I've written a few and would put :-

L (appears SO) sp Cortachy* (B955)

That's what I'd expect - or, if I saw that instruction I'd visualise something very close to the photo

Or what hellymdic said
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Hummers on 21 April, 2008, 05:34:42 pm
Left turn on right-hand bend

I'd say a variation on this:
Left on right hand bend, sp B955 Cortachy

Wot she said.

H
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: dkahn400 on 21 April, 2008, 06:02:51 pm
Left turn on right-hand bend

I'd say a variation on this:
Left on right hand bend, sp B955 Cortachy

I like this but would add (effectively straight on). The whole thing abreviated to the same standard as the rest of the route sheet of course.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Chris S on 21 April, 2008, 06:06:34 pm
L on RH Bend (SO) sp Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Noodley on 21 April, 2008, 06:16:42 pm
L at car?   ;)
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: eck on 21 April, 2008, 06:20:39 pm
L at car?   ;)

Helpful as ever, eh?  ::-) :P
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: frere yacker on 21 April, 2008, 06:48:58 pm
L on sharp RH bend (effectively SO) sp Glen Clova

PS: suddenly sentimental about Snow Roads  but disappointed I can't do it this year :(
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Ian H on 21 April, 2008, 06:58:00 pm
I would put "L on RH bend sp Cortachy (B955)".

If the roads were of more equal status I might put "L (actual SO) sp Cortachy..."

As it is it looks more like a turn than a straight on.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Marmitegeoff on 21 April, 2008, 06:59:11 pm
L on RH Bend sp (Cortachy) App SO

Is how it would appear on my route sheets,  as the riders are deviating from the road priority.

Geoff
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Creaky Knees on 21 April, 2008, 07:11:26 pm
Left on RH bend SP B955 Cortachy.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2131/2428872302_441d66daa1.jpg?v=0)

Here is a junction, three from the finish of the Snow Roads. Riders should turn left into the minor road, where the car is coming out. The major road swings hard right.
Do I say: "L (sp SO) B955 Cortachy" or "L B955 sp Cortachy", or "SO B955 sp Cortachy". The sign, partly obscured by the tree, at the junction indicates a left turn for the B955, not straight on.  :-\

EDIT: I did a 200 DIY yesterday and took some more foties of some junctions of the lower half of the Snow Roads route: I'll put them in the Gallery later if anyone's interested?
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: frere yacker on 21 April, 2008, 08:39:25 pm
PS: The town/loch should correspond to the sign at the bend (you can see it on the corner across from the car) not the one before it.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: eck on 22 April, 2008, 08:15:51 am
Thanks to everybody - except Noodley, obviously - for their helpful thoughts.  :thumbsup:

Also, I need a question for an info control at Rhynie. Will this do: "What is the time on the church clock?"
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: mattc on 22 April, 2008, 11:24:31 am
Thanks to everybody - except Noodley, obviously - for their helpful thoughts.  :thumbsup:

Also, I need a question for an info control at Rhynie. Will this do: "What is the time on the church clock?"
Yes.


Provided you pop round and stop the clock before any riders come through.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Mr Larrington on 22 April, 2008, 11:29:01 am
L on RH bend B955 $ Cortachy

or

L eff SO B955 $ Cortachy
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: nuttycyclist on 22 April, 2008, 11:37:59 am
I think all of the above instructions are clear.

Yes it's left.  Yes it's on a RH bend.  Yes it appears SO.   Most importantly of course it is labelled as B955 which the other road isn't.

I think I'd have "L (SO) B955 SP Cortachy" (unless you were actually going through Cortachy in which case it'd be in capitals.

As long as the routesheet was in miles that would ensure no problems at all.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Chris S on 22 April, 2008, 11:39:35 am
As long as the routesheet was in miles that would ensure no problems at all.

Still having trouble with your 1.6 times table Nutty?  ;)
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: MSeries on 22 April, 2008, 11:43:37 am
Why would having the routesheet in kilometres make a difference ?   A route sheet in miles may cause problems to those riders who have their computers set to kms, to those riders who have lost track of the distance travelled since the last instruction. To those who don't use a computer then the unit of measure is not relevant.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Martin on 22 April, 2008, 11:59:20 am
I went precisely 4 rides before setting my computer to km (as I'd stopped TTing by then)

I also convert the distances on the info controls to km





 ;D
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: nuttycyclist on 22 April, 2008, 12:24:19 pm
Yup.  Blue touchpaper was nicely lit there ;D

Why would having the routesheet in kilometres make a difference ?   A route sheet in miles may cause problems to those riders who have their computers set to kms, to those riders who have lost track of the distance travelled since the last instruction. To those who don't use a computer then the unit of measure is not relevant.

I navigate mostly by roadsigns.  I look at the routesheet and then follow the signs until in the area where I need to focus on the next instruction, fine tuned by the cycle computer.   Having the routesheet in KMs is a pain as I then need to focus solely on the computer (assuming I converted it to run in KM) as that's the only thing available for distance measuring; and it may not be accurate.

Without a computer the routesheet in miles would still make sense as the mileage is on most roadsigns.

Keeping track of the distance travelled since the last instruction is easier when the mileage is posted at most junctions, it means you don't need to keep looking at the computer.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Pingu on 22 April, 2008, 04:42:58 pm
Assuming the mileage on the signs is correct - not always the case. And a lot of newer signs seem not to have distances on them at all.

Anyway, all the audaxes I've been on have had distances in both km & miles.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: iakobski on 22 April, 2008, 05:00:09 pm
And a lot of newer signs seem not to have distances on them at all.


Supposedly that's to make it easier when we all change to km in the next few years.
 :)


(hides)
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Martin on 22 April, 2008, 07:25:02 pm
And a lot of newer signs seem not to have distances on them at all.


Supposedly that's to make it easier when we all change to km in the next few years.
 :)(hides)

is that after we've adopted the euro?  ;D

There seems to have been a policy change with signage recently whereby the junction signs don't have distances but there are distance signs a bit down the road; same as motorways. But as always it's not consistent.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: valkyrie on 22 April, 2008, 10:31:55 pm
L at car?   ;)

Helpful as ever, eh?  ::-) :P

You're quite right Eck, Noodley is being deliberately unhelpful. You'd need to describe the car in more detail to avoid any possible confusion.
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: rower40 on 22 April, 2008, 10:37:51 pm
Just attach a link to the above photo on the route-sheet. :)
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Spikey on 23 April, 2008, 05:43:10 pm
... "L on RH bend sp Cortachy (B955)".
I'd prefer "L on RH bend B955 sp Cortachy"

The brackets might confuse me a little as this might imply its not actually the B955, but a road signposted as leeding towards the B955.

By analogy: "L on RH bend sp xxx (M1)" would imply towards the M1 while "L on RH bend M1 sp xxx" would imply joining the M1 which would of course be illegal.

As another example: "SO at X Axxx"  would imply straight on at crossroads, onto the Axxx, while "SO at X (Axxx)" would imply crossing the Axxx, and "SO at X sp (Axxx)" would imply the road is signposted as leeding towards the Axxx.

Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: Noodley on 23 April, 2008, 06:01:14 pm
Jesus H Christ!!! - I'll set of a few hours day early to make sure I'm back first and stand at the bloody junction pointing  ;D
Title: Re: Routesheet instruction: opinions please
Post by: frere yacker on 23 April, 2008, 07:16:20 pm
Jesus H Christ!!! - I'll set of a few hours day early to make sure I'm back first and stand at the bloody junction pointing  ;D

In which case the route sheet should say

L by Noodley