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Mr Larrington

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #75 on: 10 July, 2020, 12:22:55 pm »
I believe TEAC are still* cranking out new cassette decks, though no-one knows why.

* or they were when I bought a s/h Panasonic off the Bay of Fleas a few years ago, that I might complete the digitisation of my crates of rusty plastic.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #76 on: 10 July, 2020, 01:04:27 pm »
All I remember about the Dolby button was that it made everything sound like it was recorded under water.

As I'm of a certain era, tapes were a fundamental part of my life. From recording my favourite tunes from the top 40 every Sunday evening and that crunch moment when you ran out of tapes and have to go back and overwrite an older compilation. The days when you didn't care about being cool, you'd happily listen to the Sisters of Mercy followed by Nik Kershaw and so would everyone you knew. As a grown adult, of course the first album I bought was something by the Cure, or the Smiths, or Adam and Ants (but before they became popular, the Dirk album that everyone bought but listened to once). Complete lie, of course. The first actual cassette album I bought was Mr Mr's epic pile of uncool MOR dad rock Broken Wings. I can still sing that title song now. That said, I also bought the 12-inch of Rock Me Amadeus and played it so often my dad stomped in and threw it out of the window. So I put his shittenly Pink Floyd tapes in the dustbin. He still reminds of the Great Music Wars of my Youth. He never got over the fact that it was bin day. I might not have cared that much about being cool, but having to buy a replacement copy of Dark Side of the Moon when you're thirteen was awful.

Then the first Walkmen (so sexist, so sexist), I got a chunky one, used four AA batteries and lasted for about fifteen minutes. But I felt like I'd strolled out of a teen angst movie and into the arms of Molly Ringwald. They did get smaller rapidly, I think the last one I had was smaller than the tape that went in it. Ironically, all the wannabe cool kids now walk around in giant headphones with dinner tray sized phones.

My friend got the first double-speed tape so you could copy albums twice as fast, that was awesome (home taping is killing music, now twice as quickly) at the expense of recording that occasionally slowed down and sped up. The version of Charlotte Street I had featured Lloyd Cole doing a complete Swiss yodel at the end of the middle-eight.

Then there were mixtapes, that vital part of any courtship ritual. Exchanging mix-tapes was the precursor of any attempt to exchange bodily fluids, a lot rode on the selection. We were well beyond mashing up the Sisters and Kershaw. Then when everything broke down, you'd listen to those tapes as you sobbed into your cider. I certainly exchanged a lot more mixtapes than bodily fluids, for sure. I probably should have dialed down the Kershaw quotient.

Somewhere in the loft, I've a duffel bag filled with tapes, I'd go get it, but the only tape player we have is in the car (as mentioned elsewhere, this was a punitive addition by Ford because we bought the cheapest model).

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #77 on: 10 July, 2020, 01:31:15 pm »

Cassettes were poor but the 8-track cartridges weren't too bad for sound quality but never caught on for music ..... in the mid/late 80s I worked for an IT business and we used them for data storage when a "winchester" hard drive cost a fortune.
Objection m'lud
My loft is full of 8-track cartridges (well, there might be a storage crate full) with my entire Pink Floyd and Elton John album collection (I had a fairly wide spectrum of listening habits, don't judge me).
You couldn't beat the KERRRR-LUNK as the head moved tracks in the middle of a track, and you'd get to anticipate it, just at the right/wrong moment.
And, while I'm at it, lets not forget the joy of the tape winding itself around the drive head inside the cartridge, there was no, zero, way of unwrapping it, and heaven help you if you ever opened a cartridge.
And (I'm on a roll here) the glue holding the two ends of the mobius strip of tape where the metal strip was became unglued over time and you ended up with a completely useless plastic box.
The 8-track system was bloody wonderful - at tleast it's bloody wonderful that it's confined to the scrap heap of history and my grandchildren stare in wonder at such a thing.
And yes, I did own an 8-track cartridge recorder to make my own mix-tapes (but had no one to share them with  :-[).

I /think/ the spec for computer tape drives was slightly different. I am probably wrong.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #78 on: 10 July, 2020, 03:59:32 pm »

Then there's the other end of the Ethernet spectrum...



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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #79 on: 10 July, 2020, 04:01:31 pm »
That's not just twisted pair, that's bitter and twisted pair.

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #80 on: 10 July, 2020, 04:41:31 pm »

Cassettes were poor but the 8-track cartridges weren't too bad for sound quality but never caught on for music ..... in the mid/late 80s I worked for an IT business and we used them for data storage when a "winchester" hard drive cost a fortune.

I believe the 8 track was a common addition to USAnian automobiles, apparently up to the mid ‘80’s, when it was finally ousted by the (older technology) cassette deck.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #81 on: 10 July, 2020, 05:06:22 pm »
I believe the most popular use of the 8-track style cartridge (although presumably a different tape) was for the jingle machines for radio, back in the day. Just push in when you wanted it to start and it would stop at the end of the jingle. (Although knowing this place someone will be along in a minute to either correct me, or say that they used one!  ;))
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #82 on: 10 July, 2020, 05:39:25 pm »

Cassettes were poor but the 8-track cartridges weren't too bad for sound quality but never caught on for music ..... in the mid/late 80s I worked for an IT business and we used them for data storage when a "winchester" hard drive cost a fortune.

I believe the 8 track was a common addition to USAnian automobiles, apparently up to the mid ‘80’s, when it was finally ousted by the (older technology) cassette deck.

Back in the 80s a friend of mine had an 8-track player in a Mini Metro turbo. It was 80s tastic complete with a row of turbo boost indicator lights the last one of which we never managed to get to light up no matter how hard we tried. Rubbish car but  a good sound system.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #83 on: 10 July, 2020, 05:52:33 pm »
I believe the most popular use of the 8-track style cartridge (although presumably a different tape) was for the jingle machines for radio, back in the day. Just push in when you wanted it to start and it would stop at the end of the jingle. (Although knowing this place someone will be along in a minute to either correct me, or say that they used one!  ;))
AFAIR the radio station 'cart' machines were a similar idea with a never ending loop of tape, and a short bit of metallic tape to auto stop/start, but it was single track (sometimes stereo if your station was posh), and smaller in dimensions than 8-track.
I last used one in 1973 (in the bowels of The Whittington Horspittal) so my memory may be playing tricks on me. I think Radio Whittington had about 10 carts, each with one jingle /announcement on, the rest were on cassette, and you had to cue them up manually.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #84 on: 10 July, 2020, 06:44:38 pm »
It's one of those generational things, I have to explain cassette tapes to young people. People born after c1985 don't have a clue. There will soon be a generation left to scratch their heads about CDs.

But I just had to google 8-track tapes. Chunky monkeys. Never seen one.

On the other hand, does anyone remember minidiscs? No, thought not.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #85 on: 10 July, 2020, 06:51:10 pm »
(Googles 'Minidisc')

Nope, never seen one o' they.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #86 on: 10 July, 2020, 06:51:47 pm »
On a local popular cycling route, there's an old garage in the village of Auchleven.
It seems the owner just shut up shop one day in the late '70, never to return.
You can look in the window, and everything is exactly as it was that day.

There's an 8-track cartridge player in the window.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #87 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:13:00 pm »
(Googles 'Minidisc')

Nope, never seen one o' they.

A former cow-orker is a singist in a choir, and I believe he is still using mini-disk to record their singisting.
He says it's very good.

Mr Larrington

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #88 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:16:31 pm »
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #89 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:22:30 pm »
It's one of those generational things, I have to explain cassette tapes to young people. People born after c1985 don't have a clue. There will soon be a generation left to scratch their heads about CDs.

But I just had to google 8-track tapes. Chunky monkeys. Never seen one.

On the other hand, does anyone remember minidiscs? No, thought not.

Minidiscs - I think were the storage media in the ICL OPD (One Per Desk) sort of a PC/phone that was around in about 1985/6 - I had one to try when I was managing and developing the "videotex" activity for one of the (former) large building societies named after a town and a city in Gloucestershire.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #90 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:26:09 pm »
I've never seen an 8-track cassette until I looked at it on the interpictures just now. But I do remember mini-disc. And DAT.
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #91 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:30:18 pm »
On a local popular cycling route, there's an old garage in the village of Auchleven.
It seems the owner just shut up shop one day in the late '70, never to return.
A week or so ago, I was walking along a street nearby, where there's a row of lock-up garages. There was a breakdown truck hoisting a 1990s Vauxhall Senator (or similar) out of one of the garages and a great stink of sewage. Turned out the leaking sewer had been located to a spot underneath said garage and thus the car had been discovered. Apparently the garage owner's mother had let someone leave it there in about 1990 and it had never been collected...
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #92 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:32:19 pm »
"Dat" was a hit for Pluto Shervington in 1976.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #93 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:47:47 pm »
On a local popular cycling route, there's an old garage in the village of Auchleven.
It seems the owner just shut up shop one day in the late '70, never to return.
You can look in the window, and everything is exactly as it was that day.

There's an 8-track cartridge player in the window.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.3100925,-2.6240762,3a,75y,213.52h,85.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVDeEXYAFmmrSSuP1cWYoxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

One day you're going to get in there  :)

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #94 on: 10 July, 2020, 07:57:22 pm »
In a minute someone is going to mention Laser Discs (I've seen em but never used one)
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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #95 on: 10 July, 2020, 08:22:06 pm »
In a minute someone is going to mention Laser Discs (I've seen em but never used one)

They are mythical aren't they? Never seen one in the flesh.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #96 on: 10 July, 2020, 08:26:12 pm »
On the other hand, does anyone remember minidiscs? No, thought not.

I do. I had a Sony portable Mini Disc player. So much better than compact tape. Unfortunately MP3/FLAC etc did essentially the same thing more conveniently. It killed me when I eventually chucked the Mini Disc player it was a lovely bit of engineering.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #97 on: 10 July, 2020, 08:27:55 pm »
On the other hand, does anyone remember minidiscs? No, thought not.

I do. I had a Sony portable Mini Disc player. So much better than compact tape. Unfortunately MP3/FLAC etc did essentially the same thing more conveniently. It killed me when I eventually chucked the Mini Disc player it was a lovely bit of engineering.

My MZ-R30 still works, if you hook it up to a bench power supply and ignore the dents, lost screws and grinding noises.

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Re: Snake oil
« Reply #98 on: 10 July, 2020, 08:50:48 pm »
brought some memories this thread. made a dolby noise cancelling system at school. was so impressed with the result that made another one and connected them inline before the output - it was even better. my friends said "want!!!" when they heard how it works, and made one for themselves.

mini discs. bought a couple of devices in usa when they just came out (fell pray to a salesman at b&h photo video in nyc) - one stationary and one portable. it was great to record the newest songs from the radio as it had a few seconds buffer, so i wouldn't miss the beginnings of songs. later sold the lot to a tv station's sound engineer.

blimey, that was a while ago!

ian

Re: Snake oil
« Reply #99 on: 10 July, 2020, 09:08:13 pm »
On the other hand, does anyone remember minidiscs? No, thought not.

I do. I had a Sony portable Mini Disc player. So much better than compact tape. Unfortunately MP3/FLAC etc did essentially the same thing more conveniently. It killed me when I eventually chucked the Mini Disc player it was a lovely bit of engineering.

I didn't know the sort of girl who'd put out for a mixtape on minidisc. And I've known all sorts of girls.

I remember video discs, or was that Video 2000? The Phillips one. My best friend Neil had one, he was very proud. But since you couldn't rent films from the little rack in the newsagent, basically he had four movies (which I think came with it). He's the same Neil who, in liberating porn VHS from the drawer in his parent's bedroom, stumbled on the homemade one. I imagine that seeing your parents fuck seriously messes you up, which is why he's a senior policeman now. I wouldn't know, I only recall my parents arguing. Foreplay to them was bickering.

I honestly did have a terminal walkman that was smaller than the tape itself. I thought I'd imagined it, but Google tells the truth.

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