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Title: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 July, 2019, 06:09:04 pm
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Whilst organising the 1000/1200 last weekend I had a few inquiries about next year's Land's End to John o' Groats (LEJOG) so I thought I'd better post about it. Here are a few practical details:

EVENT:

LEJOG 1400 km at Randonneur standard in July next year.

Distance: 1400 - 1435 km
Ascent: 12000 metres
Category: LRM (Les Randonneurs Mondiaux)

THE START

Date: Sunday 26 July 2020
Start: Land's End, Cornwall, England at 08:00 am prompt
Finish: John o' Groats, Highland, Scotland (before 04:40 am on Friday 31 July 2020)!

OVERVIEW

The LEJOG will start at the headland of Land's End, Cornwall, the far south-western corner of the UK mainland and will finish at the village of John o' Groats, Scotland, the far north-eastern corner of the UK mainland. Route doesn’t follow the most direct route between the start & finish but will pass through England; Wales & Scotland!

Riders will be expected to maintain a minimum cycling average speed of 12 kph including anytime spent off the bike.

Controls will be placed at roughly 50-mile intervals but 4 of the controls, which we hope riders will use overnight, will have adequate shower & sleeping facilities.

Drop bag to 2 of the overnight controls, an opportunity for riders to collect clean clothes etc will help ensure everyone makes it through this randonnee. Your drop-bags will later be transferred to John o’ Groats ready for collection on arrival.

Each and every rider will need to make their own way to the start at Land’s End and home from John o’ Groats afterwards.

THE ROUTE

The route has more or less been finalised but there'll doubtless be some revisions beforehand. The route is essentially split into 5-stages, ridden over 4/5 days:

Stage 1: Land's End to Weston-super-Mare  (287 km)

Stage 2: Weston-super-Mare to Warrington (293 km)

Stage 3: Warrington to Abington (275 km)

Stage 4: Abington to Inverness (350 km)

Stage 5: Inverness to John o' Groats (200 km)


All the above distances are subject to confirmation. You do not have to sleep at the overnight controls and are free to push on if you so wish!

Weston-super-Mare; Warrington; Abington & Inverness are where the overnight (bunk-house/outdoor centre) controls will be placed offering feeding; shower; sleeping options etc.

The intermediate controls will use commercial facilities. Drop-bag will be available to 2 of the last 3 overnight controls.

Considering there's no overnight control between Abington and Inverness riders will likely have a choice of route between Abington & Inverness; either heading west over the Erskine Bridge before a run up the A82 via Fort William to Inverness or continuing north, past Edinburgh and crossing over the Forth Bridge before following the A9 through the Highlands to merge with the (western) route near Inverness.

In accordance with LRM regulations:

The overall time-limit will be 116 hours & 40 minutes.

No rider will be credited with a finishing time under 46 hours, 40 minutes.

Hope this answers a few questions.

ENTER?

Entry fee: £146.00. When entering online, non AUK/CTC/CUK members will see £3 automatically added to include temporary membership for insurance purposes!

N.B. entry fees are non-refundable and will be taken at the time of entry! The entry fee won’t fluctuate during the course that entries remain open!

Event is likely to be over-subscribed so early entry advised!

Your confirmation email, usually received from PayPal immediately after entering and paying the event entry fee, guarantees you a place on the event! Online entrants will also usually receive e-mail confirmation of their entry from the organiser’s within 72-hours of entering!

** No SR or any other qualification required to ride this event! Entries are now being taken on a first come – first served basis! Entries will close when the entry field limit of 120 riders is reached! **

Entry fee includes, but not limited to:


Entry fee doesn't include:



AUK event webpage: http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-64/

Website address:https://lejog1400audax.com/

Entry webpage: http://www.aukweb.net/events/enter/20-64/

Hope this is of help for now!

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: grams on 15 July, 2019, 07:11:06 pm
Interested.

Is it a postal finish? Is there somewhere to get Proof of Passage at John O'Groats at Silly o'clock?

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before 05:40 am on Friday 31 July 2020

4:40 am?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: bludger on 15 July, 2019, 07:27:45 pm
I am very interested. Putting this in my calendar ;D
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: robert french on 15 July, 2019, 07:48:44 pm
Registered for this as soon as I saw it. I've wanted to do LEJOG at audax pace for about 10 years, but never got round to it. Really enjoyed Blackpool-Glasgow-Blackpool so looking forward to the AC TLC!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: mattc on 15 July, 2019, 08:43:10 pm
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No rider will be credited with a finishing time under 46 hours, 40 minutes.
that's me out then. Shame.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Karla on 15 July, 2019, 08:49:48 pm
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No rider will be credited with a finishing time under 46 hours, 40 minutes.
that's me out then. Shame.

Shame, I was looking forward to you beating 24HourMaths in the forum tables.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 15 July, 2019, 10:44:30 pm
Tempting...

If there is a route choice between Abington and Inverness, the A9 route would probably appear to make some sense, no faff getting round Glasgow, reasonably gentle to the Forth Bridge, getting through Fife and Perth isn't too bad but...

Roadworks... if all is going to plan with the upgrade then the A9 will be a near constant block of road works between the current dual carriageway sections (completion target is 2025 which means everything has to be started by next summer... It's not happening but...)

The usual dodges of the A83 to Mekliour then Dunkeld, round the back to Ballinluig etc. will be busy with people trying to dodge the road works, given you can get from Perth to Calvine without touching the A9 using the old road and the Moulin there's some scope for it being bawsed, and that's the NCN route to that point.
The NCN route over Drumochter is also bawsed thanks to surface problems, fine on an MTB not so fine on road tyres sadly, the council are blaming the estate for using quad bikes on it, they deny all blame.

Slochd could be interesting too, the old road isn't going to be repurposed during the works... but somehow they have to fit a dual carriageway in a gap that's only big enough for the railway, the road and a narrow path, which means blasting a load of rocks out the way in close proximity to the lot... that'll likely mean closures for blasting between train times.

Worth checking out progress through:
https://www.transport.gov.scot/projects/a9-dualling-perth-to-inverness/
If considering going that way.

"Best" Middle route would be to use the Cairnwell, BHs, Lecht and Dava I suppose... though some are predicting all routes north will be ballsed up as everyone looks for alternatives.
(It's also a much harder ride)

Joy... :-(

:PrivateFrazer
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: lmm on 17 July, 2019, 10:31:04 am
Oh go on then. I've been meaning to plan a LEJOG sooner or later, and WCGW with signing up for a longer ride at randonnee speed?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 17 July, 2019, 06:48:16 pm
Further to my earlier post a few more details in response to some email queries.

The event doesn't use a mandatory route. Riders will be free to follow whichever route they wish providing the controls are visited and proof of passage is obtained. All the night controls will be opening up on time and most will probably close up an hour or two after cut-off time.

There will be some branding, but nothing too excessive.

Is it a postal finish? Is there somewhere to get Proof of Passage at John O'Groats at Silly o'clock?

No it's not a postal finish. We'll likely be using the nearby village hall for the finish control. Your brevet cards will be collected but your commemorative water-bottle and medal will be issued at the finish and your drop-bags will need to be collected before your departure home. It's not going to be a case of, "knock knock - who's there"!

"before 05:40 am on Friday 31 July 2020"

The cut-off is 04:40 am on Friday 31 July. My earlier post already edited.

"I am very interested. Putting this in my calendar"

A lot of people are, there's been a few entries already ....

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jack_P on 31 July, 2019, 07:59:32 pm
Interested, I just have to work out if I can do that mileage per day for 5 days. 😁
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 10 August, 2019, 04:08:08 pm
Dear all,

Just a quick update before many of you leave for Paris next week (if you haven't left already)!

THE START:

Sennen Churchtown Hall, about 1-mile from Land's End will now act as the event HQ. You can register, collect your brevet card and leave your drop bags anytime between 7.00 pm - 11:00 pm on Saturday night (25 July 2020). There'll also be a free all-you-can-eat-buffet laid on (we won't let you leave hungry)!! If you can't make the Saturday night you'll still be able to register before the start on Sunday morning.

The exact start will still be Land's End at 08.00 am prompt on Sunday 26 July 2020.

WEBSITE:

There's now a new website for the event giving more information at:

https://lejog1400audax.com/

You'll notice that "Event Route" on the new website remains pretty much blank. That's because we're still scanning maps etc so they'll probably appear within the next few days. I've also added a FAQ section in response to lots of questions by email (not exactly Shakespeare but it'll do)! This isn't complete yet either and will be updated within the next few days. The existing website will disappear soon and redirect to the new site.

MEMORABILIA:

Successful riders will receive a finishers medal and commemorative water-bottle at the finish at John o' Groats.

The commemorative event jersey will likely be ready for purchase sometime around December.

Due to the higher than expected entries and general level of interest entries have been increased to 120.

Finally, good luck to all those off to Paris - maybe see you there!


Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: jamiepearson on 10 August, 2019, 06:22:27 pm
You say:
"Considering there's no overnight control between Abington and Inverness riders will likely have a choice of route between Abington & Inverness; either heading west over the Erskine Bridge before a run up the A82 via Fort William to Inverness or continuing north, past Edinburgh and crossing over the Forth Bridge before following the A9 through the Highlands to merge with the (western) route near Inverness."

But the audax uk event page says controls at:
"Paisley (Renfrewshire), Crianlarich (Perthshire), Fort William (Highland)"

which is correct? I assume one couldn't go via a Paisely control and then choose a route via Edinburgh
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 August, 2019, 12:41:04 am
Further to my previous comments about the crap bit of the NCN7/A9 route between Blair Atholl and Dalwhinnie... It's being resurfaced right now  :thumbsup:
The Moulin was slightly busier than normal last weekend but that may have been because it was a nice day rather than Angus'ers dodging the Luncarty to Birnam roadworks;
I'm up that way regularly and watching the works progress, so will try to remember to share.

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: 24hourmaths on 12 August, 2019, 08:10:45 am
I was sent a link to this - sounds like a brilliant event, and I am sure it will be both popular and successful  :thumbsup: Very best of luck!

I'll be watching with interest for when I start my audaxing adventures...
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: vorsprung on 12 August, 2019, 09:40:52 am
I don't think ending up exhausted at John O'Groats with no hotel/hostel/tent finish control sounds like fun

Even getting to the start is a PitA, accommodation in Cornwall is expensive and travel links are crap




Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 12 August, 2019, 12:47:20 pm
I don't think ending up exhausted at John O'Groats with no hotel/hostel/tent finish control sounds like fun

Even getting to the start is a PitA, accommodation in Cornwall is expensive and travel links are crap

Eh?
Penzance has a sleeper service and 8 direct day trains every day from Paddington.

JoG has at least 2 hostels in the area (The ones I know of are Sandras in Thurso and another one at JoG though can't remember which hotel it's run by), if you drop bag a tent then there's wild camping options in the vicinity and a campsite in Wick.
The village hall is a bit on the basic side, but if the air beds are there then you just need to drop bag a quilt.

There's IIRC 3 trains a day from Thurso/Wick (same train...)...
It's a bit optimistic to expect the 153s with bike spaces to be attached by then though as they're failing miserably to get the one that is ready on the Oban trains.
and also various private services to get bikes back to Inverness that a group of riders could arrange to utilize.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: teethgrinder on 12 August, 2019, 05:24:08 pm
Rates at Land's End Hotel are surprisingly reasonable.
Penzance has plenty. Only 10 miles away.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 14 August, 2019, 11:43:17 am
"But the audax uk event page says controls at:
"Paisley (Renfrewshire), Crianlarich (Perthshire), Fort William (Highland)"

which is correct? I assume one couldn't go via a Paisely control and then choose a route via Edinburgh
"

Riders on the 'other' route between Abington & Inverness will not have to pass through Paisley, but will likely go via Carnwrath; Queensferry; Kelty; and Perth before connecting to the A9 to Inverness. More details will be available in December when the exact distance is finalised.

"Further to my previous comments about the crap bit of the NCN7/A9 route between Blair Atholl and Dalwhinnie... It's being resurfaced right now  :thumbsup:
The Moulin was slightly busier than normal last weekend but that may have been because it was a nice day rather than Angus'ers dodging the Luncarty to Birnam roadworks;
I'm up that way regularly and watching the works progress, so will try to remember to share."


Thanks for that. I'd appreciate any feedback regarding route options from local riders.

"I don't think ending up exhausted at John O'Groats with no hotel/hostel/tent finish control sounds like fun

Even getting to the start is a PitA, accommodation in Cornwall is expensive and travel links are crap"


We'll be using a nearby village hall as the finish control.

"Rates at Land's End Hotel are surprisingly reasonable.
Penzance has plenty. Only 10 miles away.


I suspect most riders will either stay in a hotel in Penzance (about 10-miles away) or camp in any of the nearby campsites. There's plenty of them."

I've been surprised at the level of interest so early on. Over half the places already take.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 03 September, 2019, 08:41:34 pm
A bit of A9 works that had passed my attention; the North Berriedale Brae is being rebuilt and a bit of an archelogical snag has been found!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-49495139

Transport Scotland give the period of traffic management as being to March 2020, expect it to be later now.
Will slightly lengthen the route, the new corner won't be as severe, but the initial ramp and climb past the kirk remain the same.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: markldn on 10 September, 2019, 03:45:33 pm
Paid.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 14 September, 2019, 09:21:45 pm
East-Central Route news:
The section of the NCN7 at Drummochter that was churned up by ATV use has now been repaired "Should last until the dual carriageway buries it"
It's also looking most likely that only the Luncarty to Birnham section will be under construction next summer; so the local roads cutting through to Dunkeld and Ballinluig are likely to be busier than normal, thats the Sma Glen and Meikleour routes.

Facebook link:
https://www.facebook.com/perthandkinrosscyclecampaign/photos/a.439477036201711/1371098919706180/?type=3&theater

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: The Solo Socialist on 15 September, 2019, 07:32:41 pm
Seriously interested, just need to save up. Maybe buy a new bike (gears) and convince my other half it'll be good fun.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redlight on 28 September, 2019, 01:04:18 pm
If anyone's looking for a hotel near the start, I've just cancelled a room at the Saddle and Stable in Sennen.  I was going to enter this but I'm heading off on a tour a couple of weeks afterwards and I don't want to risk damaging my hands on the roads up in the borders.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 23 October, 2019, 12:00:09 pm
Morning all,

It's been a while now since my last contact so I thought I'd give you all a quick update.

I'm pleased to say that the event has been accepted by the Randonneurs Mondiaux for an LRM event and now appears in their calendar which has now been published (See attached link below). 
This means the event must use a mandatory route,so there'll now just be one route between Abington and Inverness and that's the western direction via Paisley.
 
The event has proved to be much more popular than expected and we're comfortably going to reach the limit of 120 riders. There are places left and entries are still being accepted.

I've been asked if the event will run again in the future. The answer is very probably but not in 2021.

I've beefed the event website up a bit and will be adding some clearer route maps soon.

2020 RM Calendar:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSNb7P-COVwvC33mCeCUWvAYwFkAk7aOZdHk9rbg4Kyar_lRx2epDSQ8FwW6VKlXiNiHPCqts0VnyRs/pubhtml?gid=1480200001&single=true

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Shaftesburybiker on 23 October, 2019, 02:02:44 pm
Am doing LEJOG at a slightly slower pace when this event is on next year (big family outing thing), so will expect to see everyone steaming past at some point through England until my route diverges NW from Gretna and up the west cost/Gt Glen/Altnaharra/JoG.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 October, 2019, 05:08:18 pm
I'm pleased to say that the event has been accepted by the Randonneurs Mondiaux for an LRM event . . .
This means the event must use a mandatory route
http://www.randonneursmondiaux.org/files/Rules_2019.pdf
(LRM EVENT REGULATIONS (adopted 2019)
"3.15 . . . each rider will receive a brevet card specifying the location of and time limits for the checkpoints, and route information by GPS tracks or similar and/or traditional cue sheet indicating the route. Riders must stay on the route. If a rider leaves the route, they must return to the route at the same point prior to continuing, i.e., no shortcuts or detours from the route, unless specified by the organiser."
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 24 October, 2019, 10:29:17 am
As the event is now mandatory route. How punishingly hilly will it be? Is the route being designed for efficient progress or is it more typical of an Andy Corless ride? (Mille pennines, knock ventoyx etc)

I can see the first stage is routing over dartmoor which seems to me like it will not be the flattest route.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 24 October, 2019, 01:40:11 pm
How punishingly hilly will it be? Is the route being designed for efficient progress or is it more typical of an Andy Corless ride? (Mille pennines, knock ventoyx etc)
I can see the first stage is routing over dartmoor which seems to me like it will not be the flattest route.
I think that assessment is likely. I've had a stab at recreating the Googlemaps walking route for the first day/300k section Andy's published: https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/.
Land's End to Weston-super-Mare (A30/Dartmoor/A38 route): Marazion, Lanner, Bodmin, Minions, Horsebridge, Tavistock, across Dartmoor, thru' Exeter, old A38 via Taunton
(Note: Very difficult to completely avoid the A30 dual carriageway on that line, and this will struggle with "LRM Rule 1.5 The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance between controls capable of being cycled safely on road" unless the A30 where dualled is deemed to be 'unsafe'.)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31360459?beta=false
305km + 3595m
An attractive route based on long (175k and 59k) sections of @Ian H's proven Kernow and SW 600 to Weston is 302km + 2998m. About the same distance but 600m less climb, that would go via Hayle, Newquay (control), Bude (control), Winkleigh, Bampton, and Taunton:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31360440?beta=false




Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 26 October, 2019, 03:29:01 pm
"(LRM EVENT REGULATIONS (adopted 2019)
"3.15 . . . each rider will receive a brevet card specifying the location of and time limits for the checkpoints, and route information by GPS tracks or similar and/or traditional cue sheet indicating the route. Riders must stay on the route. If a rider leaves the route, they must return to the route at the same point prior to continuing, i.e., no shortcuts or detours from the route, unless specified by the organiser."
"

Thanks for that clarification Ajax Bay.

"As the event is now mandatory route. How punishingly hilly will it be? Is the route being designed for efficient progress or is it more typical of an Andy Corless ride? (Mille Pennines, knock Ventoux etc)"

The event is being designed as nothing more than a special case of the End to End matching AUK rules (1400 km - 1470 km). As it's LRM the distance can't be under 1400 km, nor above 1470 km. I don't intend to have it anywhere near 1470 km (1435 km max)! The shortest "reasonable" route comes to about 1340 km so there has to be some dog-legs somewhere. However, I don't intend to throw in any needless hills (Hardknott; Great Dun Fell; Yorkshire Dales etc). I'll be down in Cornwall in a couple of weeks time finalising the first stage to Weston-Super-Mare.

I've made a note of the GPS tracks that have been created so far.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG Audax 2020


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: oggy on 07 November, 2019, 01:12:46 pm
oops it seems i have registered for this
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 10 November, 2019, 01:10:38 pm
"oops it seems i have registered for this"

I have your entry. I'll be emailing all the entrants giving an update on current progress sometime later this week.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 November, 2019, 09:30:35 am
Morning all,

It's been a while now since my last contact so I thought I'd give you all a quick update.

Entries are very healthy and a few more places will be made available for the inevitable DNS etc. There are places left and entries are still being accepted. We have plenty of overseas interest for the event with entries coming in from: Ireland; Japan; USA and Australia.

EVENT ROUTE:

You might have noticed that I've uploaded some draft maps onto the event website. There are some clearer maps currently being designed and they'll be uploaded onto the event website sometime over the next few weeks. There are one or two detours being planned to possibly avoid busier roads (such as the A30) etc. It is of course inevitable that the route will follow some main/A-roads at some point along the route. Paisley, as opposed to Abington is under consideration for Tuesday's overnight control in order to even the distances out. There are some other variations under consideration as we continue to build the event.

https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/

GETTING TO/FROM THE START/FINISH:

I've been asked by several riders for the best transport links to/from the start/finish. I've done some digging on the travel websites and come up with the following:

Travel to Land's End:

Rail:

The nearest railway station to the start is about 10-miles away in Penzance, which is basically the end of the line! There are direct train services from London/Birmingham (for connections from the north).

The website is:

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/  Although you can normally only book up to 3-months in advance.

Air:

The nearest airport is Newquay, about 50-miles away. There are direct flights to Manchester/Heathrow & Dublin.

The website for Newquay airport is: https://www.cornwallairportnewquay.com/

n.b. Land's End airport only serves the Scilly Isles.

Expect to pay more by taking your bike.

Travel from John o' Groats:

The nearest railway stations to John o' Groats are:

Wick (about 17-miles south)
Thurso (about 20-miles west).

Scotrail has direct train services to Inverness where you can connect to the south (Edinburgh/London etc).

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/   is the tool for this.

You could try some of the travel websites such as: expedia; lastminute.com etc for more info' on flights etc.

Air:

The nearest airport to JoG is Wick, about 17 miles south. BA has a direct flight to Edinburgh departing at 1:10 pm where you can connect to flights to over UK airports. Expect to pay extra if you fly home on the Friday.

I've updated the event website with some of this information. Many riders have discussed taking a shared shuttle from John o' Groats to the Inverness area (train station, airport etc).

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 10 December, 2019, 03:25:00 pm

Signed up for this.

 I have booked john o groats bike transport for 6 people and their bikes from john o groats to Inverness.

Spaces are available at £70 each, reduced go £60 if all sold.

Leaving from seaview hotel john o groats at 09:30 on Friday 31st of July.

If you are on the ride and planning to travel back on Friday morning an don't fancy gambling on getting on to the train at Thurso send me a PM.

Also British airways flight from Inverness to Heathrow was only £32 at the weekend. I bet you won't get the train for that price.
Title: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: jimloisdavis on 27 December, 2019, 06:20:45 pm
Good evening. I am doing LEJOG audax from 26 to 30 July. At the end I have booked a 6 berth caravan at JOG for 30 to 31 July (https://abnb.me/WXNYFOT9K2). At present there is only myself and my fellow rider in it. Does anyone else riding the audax want to stay there on 30 July and split the cost of it? It cost £88 for the night so if 3 others join us it's just under £18 approx per head.

Let me know here if interested and we can make arrangements at the start on 26 July about collection of keys etc depending on how we are riding.

Thanks James

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: longflaps on 10 January, 2020, 12:48:49 pm
I'm in. Did Deloitte RAB in 2014 (9 days), so will be interesting to compare with the Audax experience!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 11 January, 2020, 03:05:50 pm
"I'm in. Did Deloitte RAB in 2014 (9 days), so will be interesting to compare with the Audax experience!"

I have your entry! I've had a few enquiries this last few weeks from people asking for a comparison between LEJOG Audax and the Deloitte RAB. My own answer is I don't know because I've not ridden the Deloitte version although I notice they've selected the same route as I have between Land's End and Marazion. I'll be in Cornwall again this next week finalising the route of stage 1 so the provisional route instructions and GPS tracks should be appearing before the end of this month! I'll then be updating all the entrants on current progress. Everything's on track for a successful inaugural LEJOG Audax!

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: S2L on 11 January, 2020, 03:16:13 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 January, 2020, 06:08:30 pm
Looks like RAB have changed their route north of Edinburgh, it's now heading over the Cairnwell and Lecht before going up the middle of Sutherland.
Used to go up Glen Ogle but not sure where after that.

This is more the classic touring route, up the west(ish) side and cross to the east via the Great Glen.

Reminds me I need to block out some time in my calendar so I can appear on route somewhere.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: thegasman on 12 January, 2020, 03:06:20 pm
To Andy Corless
Many thanks for proving overnight controls with basic sleeping and shower facilities.  That is fantastic support for us.  In order for us to plan:
1. Will the sleeping facilities include a blanket to keep warm at night? or will we need to carry something to keep warm when sleeping?
2. Will there be any food at the overnight controls? (like you provided at Mille Peninnes, pasta or beans/toast which was bloody superb!) or will we need to pick food up earlier in the day if we want to eat at overnight control?
I would expect nothing, but would rather not carry stuff, only to find it provided.
Thanks in Advance
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 13 January, 2020, 05:01:46 pm
"Many thanks for proving overnight controls with basic sleeping and shower facilities.  That is fantastic support for us.  In order for us to plan:
1. Will the sleeping facilities include a blanket to keep warm at night? or will we need to carry something to keep warm when sleeping?
2. Will there be any food at the overnight controls? (like you provided at Mille Peninnes, pasta or beans/toast which was bloody superb!) or will we need to pick food up earlier in the day if we want to eat at overnight control?
I would expect nothing, but would rather not carry stuff, only to find it provided.
Thanks in Advance
"

The sleeping facilities are a mixture of bunk-beds & air-beds. They'll likely be blankets this time for the air-beds. All the overnight controls will be providing both hot & cold food free of charge. This is likely to be the usual choices of beans on toast; jacket potatoes/beans; cheese & broccoli pasta etc.

I'll be doing the rounds in Devon & Cornwall later this week so the provisional route-instructions should be appearing before the end of this month.

Hope this is of help!

More details on the event websites (links attached below):


http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-64/

http://lejog1400audax.com/

https://www.cyclosport.org/event/26-Jul-2020/UK/lejog-1400.html

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 13 January, 2020, 06:06:50 pm
Given the speed on Mille Pennines of @The gasman, Andy, at the appropriate stage, you may wish to make clear the effective opening times of ?Paisley and ?Inverness. My offer of help remains 'on the table'. And another (local to me) Mille Pennines veteran has provisionally offered her assistance at Night 1 venue (? Weston-super-Mare)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jack_P on 14 January, 2020, 10:40:59 am
Given the speed on Mille Pennines of @The gasman, Andy, at the appropriate stage, you may wish to make clear the effective opening times of ?Paisley and ?Inverness. My offer of help remains 'on the table'. And another (local to me) Mille Pennines veteran has provisionally offered her assistance at Night 1 venue (? Weston-super-Mare)
The Gasman should be in full value mode ;-) we have three newbies to get through this  ;D
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Colinf on 14 January, 2020, 03:57:58 pm
Just looking at overnight accommodation before the start, will there be overnight sleeping facilities at the start HQ  ??
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 January, 2020, 03:47:41 pm
"will there be overnight sleeping facilities at the start HQ  ??"

No - just a buffet the Saturday night with closing time about 11:00 pm! The event website (link attached below) gives some details on travel to Land's End and links to websites with overnight accommodation.

https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/

"Given the speed on Mille Pennines of @The gasman, Andy, at the appropriate stage, you may wish to make clear the effective opening times of ?Paisley and ?Inverness."

I don't know who Gasman is so I have no idea of his/her progression times on the MP1K. For information purposes, the MP1K is also running over the weekend of 03 - 06 July 2020:

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-62/

http://millepenninesaudax.com/

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on 15 January, 2020, 08:47:35 pm
Lands End YHA (St Just) isn't far away and an easy ride; about 8km. Rooms/dorms, pods and camping (if you want to lug a tent about) available. It is popular in the summer so best get in quick if you do fancy it.

https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/yha-lands-end (https://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/yha-lands-end)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2020, 01:16:05 am
Whoops
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: swiss hat on 16 January, 2020, 10:43:18 am
I've booked airbnb accommodation for 25th July at St Buryan about 8 km from LE. There is a spare room with a single bed and also a single day bed in the private sitting room. Splitting the cost 3 ways would be £25 inc breakfast. There's a pub and shops in the village.

pm me if you're interested.

EDIT: Both beds provisionally taken. Thx
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: thegasman on 16 January, 2020, 04:40:08 pm
Given the speed on Mille Pennines of @The gasman, Andy, at the appropriate stage, you may wish to make clear the effective opening times of ?Paisley and ?Inverness. My offer of help remains 'on the table'. And another (local to me) Mille Pennines veteran has provisionally offered her assistance at Night 1 venue (? Weston-super-Mare)

HaHa Ajax Bay! - As Jack_P says, I will going "full value" for LEJOG, and be in proper tourist mode, making use of all the overnight sleep options so hitting the controls at the "expected" times rather than racing ahead.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 16 January, 2020, 05:51:53 pm
I was pleased to see Sandford as a control, as I could probably have nipped home (about a mile off route) but I see it's now Weston which is 9 miles away, so scratch that idea.

I've always said I'd never do LEJoG except at Audax pace, so thanks to Andy for putting this on.  :thumbsup:

Going to have to find some training motivation, 2020 has so far gone badly (bad head cold).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andrew097 on 16 January, 2020, 06:19:52 pm
Just as a matter of interest how much climbing roughly is there on the route in meters? Would it be the up down affair the PBP is or something completely different. Just ballpark
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 16 January, 2020, 09:13:44 pm
Just as a matter of interest how much climbing roughly is there on the route in meters? Would it be the up down affair the PBP is or something completely different. Just ballpark
Andy has just updated the Audax UK page and moots 12,000 metres "12000m [6000m for AAA]".
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-64/
Edit: The AAA sections will be the first 250km LE to Taunton, and about 350km Kendal to Rannoch Moor.
I have attempted a rough sketch of the route, based on Andy's 'Route' tab on the main event site:
https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
My effort comes to 1,414km + 13,682m (and that's on RwGPS - routes generally seem to come in at 90% of the AAA man's assessment).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
I will be amending this as new information appears. Note that this ride has a mandatory route - in accordance with the organiser's detailed routesheets etc so this 'stab' is for interest only.
This is a complete guess, just based on the stated controls (as at 14 Jan) and the small scale Googlemap walking images on https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 17 January, 2020, 11:30:06 am
Going to have to find some training motivation, 2020 has so far gone badly (bad head cold).

Had started to be a reasonable 2020 until the headcold arrived on Tuesday!  I suspect I have now undone all the good work. 

This was always expected to be sketchy due to illness and injury last year but a trial for LEL next year.  I have booked adequate time off work that even if out of time I can finish.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 17 January, 2020, 11:37:37 am
Just as a matter of interest how much climbing roughly is there on the route in meters? Would it be the up down affair the PBP is or something completely different. Just ballpark
Andy has just updated the Audax UK page and moots 12,000 metres.
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/20-64/
I have attempted a rough sketch of the route, based on Andy's 'Route' tab on the main event site:
https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
My effort comes to 1,414km + 13,682m (and that's on RwGPS - routes generally seem to come in at 90% of the AAA man's assessment).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
I will be amending this as new information appears. Note that this ride has a mandatory route - in accordance with the organiser's detailed routesheets etc so this 'stab' is for interest only.
This is a complete guess, just based on the stated controls (as at 14 Jan) and the small scale Googlemap walking images on https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/

Note that the googlemap for stage 2 seems to start at Weston-Super-Mare rather than Sandford. It looks like some random street in Weston, no sign of any suitable control building there, so I expect this is still subject to change.

I've taken the liberty of making a copy and moving Sandford to Weston-Super-Mare and making some adjustments around Avonmouth. Also avoiding the Strawberry Line - this has a poor surface.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31767707

Just as much a guess as yours. It's a fair bit shorter.

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 17 January, 2020, 06:06:43 pm
My effort comes to 1,414km + 13,682m (and that's on RwGPS - routes generally seem to come in at 90% of the AAA man's assessment).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
I will be amending this as new information appears. Note that this ride has a mandatory route - in accordance with the organiser's detailed routesheets etc so this 'stab' is for interest only.
This is a complete guess, just based on the stated controls (as at 14 Jan) and the small scale Googlemap walking images on https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
Note that the googlemap for stage 2 seems to start at Weston-Super-Mare rather than Sandford. It looks like some random street in Weston, no sign of any suitable control building there, so I expect this is still subject to change.
I've taken the liberty of making a copy and moving Sandford to Weston-Super-Mare and making some adjustments around Avonmouth. Also avoiding the Strawberry Line - this has a poor surface.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31767707
Just as much a guess as yours. It's a fair bit shorter.
Andy updated the event page on 14 Jan. Previously the first 300/day ended in Weston. Now the control is stated as Sandford. Which is why my route goes through Sandford. Day 1 is missing from the 'route' webpage, presumably because Andy has pulled it and is amending it to go to Sandford :) .
Using the Strawberry Line is the best route (IMO) and avoids Bristol's busy centre, I used it for my end-to-end, so I'm biased and try to find a bit of rough stuff on every audax, but I use it for all my journeys north from Devon to the Severn Bridge. In July the Line's surface is fine (with just an element of audaciousness (and lights in the tunnel)) except for those with a very high non-tarmac avoidance threshold - have you ridden it recently? It also goes right past Sandford and lines one up with Yatton and the minor roads to the Avon Bridge (NCN26; if riders prefer the A38 trunk road and the Bristol racetracks, they can dig out).
Bridgwater to the M48 Aust junction via Sandford is 74k + 629m by the A38 and the A4 and through the Avonmouth industry zone. It's 79k + (only) 358m via the tunnel and NCN 26 and the Avon Bridge and then NCN41 (mainly).
As you say, my draft route https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false) is just a guess (but goes through Sandford rather than Weston so is shorter) and is a 'fair bit' flatter (than A38 option).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Leo on 18 January, 2020, 10:36:19 am
As (a Dutch) participant of this event I am looking forward to this trip and trying to get an idea of the route in terms of climbs, scenery and also safety.

Pictures of the sign in Lands End to John O Croats indicate 873 miles which is 1405 km.
The route therefore must be close to I presume the shortest route? leaving little room for alternative routes for busy roads?

Coming from the Netherlands, I am not very comfortable with riding close to the borders of busy roads while large lorries are passing closely by with relative high speeds (especially at night in the rain) ::-).

Having limited bicycling experience abroad (only PBP 2019) and thus non in England and Scotland, I am a little worried how many roads like this there will be, how save I will be and also what I can do more than the usual (sufficient lighting, reflective tape on wheels and wearing a reflective safety vest) to decrease risks apart form staying home :-).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 18 January, 2020, 11:18:53 am
My effort comes to 1,414km + 13,682m (and that's on RwGPS - routes generally seem to come in at 90% of the AAA man's assessment).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
I will be amending this as new information appears. Note that this ride has a mandatory route - in accordance with the organiser's detailed routesheets etc so this 'stab' is for interest only.
This is a complete guess, just based on the stated controls (as at 14 Jan) and the small scale Googlemap walking images on https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
Note that the googlemap for stage 2 seems to start at Weston-Super-Mare rather than Sandford. It looks like some random street in Weston, no sign of any suitable control building there, so I expect this is still subject to change.
I've taken the liberty of making a copy and moving Sandford to Weston-Super-Mare and making some adjustments around Avonmouth. Also avoiding the Strawberry Line - this has a poor surface.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31767707
Just as much a guess as yours. It's a fair bit shorter.
Andy updated the event page on 14 Jan. Previously the first 300/day ended in Weston. Now the control is stated as Sandford. Which is why my route goes through Sandford. Day 1 is missing from the 'route' webpage, presumably because Andy has pulled it and is amending it to go to Sandford :) .
Using the Strawberry Line is the best route (IMO) and avoids Bristol's busy centre, I used it for my end-to-end, so I'm biased and try to find a bit of rough stuff on every audax, but I use it for all my journeys north from Devon to the Severn Bridge. In July the Line's surface is fine (with just an element of audaciousness (and lights in the tunnel)) except for those with a very high non-tarmac avoidance threshold - have you ridden it recently? It also goes right past Sandford and lines one up with Yatton and the minor roads to the Avon Bridge (NCN26; if riders prefer the A38 trunk road and the Bristol racetracks, they can dig out).
Bridgwater to the M48 Aust junction via Sandford is 74k + 629m by the A38 and the A4 and through the Avonmouth industry zone. It's 79k + (only) 358m via the tunnel and NCN 26 and the Avon Bridge and then NCN41 (mainly).
As you say, my draft route https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false) is just a guess (but goes through Sandford) and is a 'fair bit' flatter.

Thanks for the clarification re the Sandford control - it's ideal for me, as we live close to your suggested route. I've not ridden the Strawberry Line recently; I used to commute to Bristol using the train from Yatton. We still have scars from being knocked off our tandem by a badger late at night on there on the way home from an Easter Arrow in 2012, and some ruined kit.

My alternative to the Strawberry Line isn't to go A38 through Bristol (though I've done that plenty times), it's this:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31769829

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 18 January, 2020, 12:07:07 pm
As (a Dutch) participant of this event I am looking forward to this trip and trying to get an idea of the route in terms of climbs, scenery and also safety.

Pictures of the sign in Lands End to John O Croats indicate 873 miles which is 1405 km.
The route therefore must be close to I presume the shortest route? leaving little room for alternative routes for busy roads?

Coming from the Netherlands, I am not very comfortable with riding close to the borders of busy roads while large lorries are passing closely by with relative high speeds (especially at night in the rain) ::-).

Having limited bicycling experience abroad (only PBP 2019) and thus non in England and Scotland, I am a little worried how many roads like this there will be, how save I will be and also what I can do more than the usual (sufficient lighting, reflective tape on wheels and wearing a reflective safety vest) to decrease risks apart form staying home :-).

Because this is mandatory route, in my view this gives the organiser more flexibility in avoiding unpleasant sections of road. The shortest possible route is around 1400km but the rules allow up to 1470km so this would allow for detours. There are some long sections in Scotland (north of Glasgow) where there is basically only one road, these are usually single carriageways such as the A82 over Rannoch Moor.



Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 19 January, 2020, 09:40:17 am
As (a Dutch) participant of this event I am looking forward to this trip and trying to get an idea of the route in terms of climbs, scenery and also safety.

Pictures of the sign in Lands End to John O Croats indicate 873 miles which is 1405 km.
The route therefore must be close to I presume the shortest route? leaving little room for alternative routes for busy roads?

Coming from the Netherlands, I am not very comfortable with riding close to the borders of busy roads while large lorries are passing closely by with relative high speeds (especially at night in the rain) ::-).

Having limited bicycling experience abroad (only PBP 2019) and thus non in England and Scotland, I am a little worried how many roads like this there will be, how save I will be and also what I can do more than the usual (sufficient lighting, reflective tape on wheels and wearing a reflective safety vest) to decrease risks apart form staying home :-).
Google maps gives 812 miles by walking or 836 driving, so the 1400+ km is not all that close to the shortest possible route. I would not expect to spend much time on busy main roads
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 19 January, 2020, 11:31:23 am
As (a Dutch) participant of this event I am looking forward to this trip and trying to get an idea of the route in terms of climbs, scenery and also safety.

Pictures of the sign in Lands End to John O Croats indicate 873 miles which is 1405 km.
The route therefore must be close to I presume the shortest route? leaving little room for alternative routes for busy roads?
Coming from the Netherlands, I am not very comfortable with riding close to the borders of busy roads while large lorries are passing closely by with relative high speeds (especially at night in the rain) ::-).
Having limited bicycling experience abroad (only PBP 2019) and thus non in England and Scotland, I am a little worried how many roads like this there will be, how safe I will be and also what I can do more than the usual (sufficient lighting, reflective tape on wheels and wearing a reflective safety vest) to decrease risks apart form staying home :-).
Google maps gives 812 miles by walking or 836 driving, so the 1400+ km is not all that close to the shortest possible route. I would not expect to spend much time on busy main roads
"climbs, scenery"? The profile on the RwGPS route I've drafted (link in my post above) should give you an insight into the 'scenery' (climbs). The number of steep climbs (steeper than 1:10 - do you remember the steep pull up from Longny les Villages (PBP @ 99km)?) is close to nil (Helmsdale @1335km steepest?), so not dissimilar to PBP - similar climb per 100km. As @Ww says, I'm sure the route will be designed to minimise time on main roads [Edit: south of the Clyde] - to a very small percentage. No time on the A30 once it's dualled (at Hayle); bit busy into/through Taunton and Bridgwater; brief moments on the A49, and I've commented on the A6, A82 and A9 below.

Andy's route seems to skirt the southern side of Bodmin Moor - with Minions a 'high'light; crosses Dartmoor (national park) - the climb up from Tavistock is about 370m in 10km with two efforts of one km @ 1:11; crosses the Severn Bridge and up the Wye valley (Forest of Dean and past Tintern Abbey); heads up the Welsh Marches past War of the Roses castles etc, gets an unavoidable urban fix from the Mersey to the Ribble; then enjoys the A6 (with variations into Kendal possibly) - that road takes only local traffic as the M6 takes the heavy stuff - over Demmings Moss (at 426m) to Carlisle. The climb up from Kendal is close to 400m in 16km.

Then it's into Scotland and the 'old main road' to Glasgow (again the M74 takes all the traffic); bypass Glasgow via Paisley to the Erskine Bridge across the Clyde, wiggle up to Loch Lomond, take the low road (A82 - some don't like it) into the Highlands till it gets higher, across Rannoch Moor, down Glen Coe - can't get much higher scenic quotient than that (depends on metric), to Fort William. Head up the Great Glen (stretches of canal towpath with excellent surface available), past the Commando Memorial (with the top of Ben Nevis in view if you're lucky), along the side of Loch Ness ~~~, to Inverness and the A9 up the coast to JoG.
1400km is a very reasonable distance to plan an end-to-end to, minimising time on A roads till Preston, and from Carlisle to Glasgow.
The A6 from Preston to Carlisle is fine (see above). After the Clyde the roads in Scotland are what they are. But this route avoids the 'fast' A9 from Perth to Inverness. And then from the Kessock Bridge onwards the A9 is OK, and there are sections which can be avoided (eg Alness to Tain) with minimal extra distance on parallel decent minor roads. For the last 160km (from Alness) the imperative to keep the route 'short' unfortunately means the rider misses out on solitude on offer on the road up Dornoch Firth and the Kyle of Sutherland to Lairg, past the (LEJOG iconic) Crask Inn, Strathnaver to Bettyhill and the north coast of Scotland - that much more attractive option is 40km longer.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 19 January, 2020, 03:59:40 pm

Coming from the Netherlands, I am not very comfortable with riding close to the borders of busy roads while large lorries are passing closely by with relative high speeds (especially at night in the rain) ::-).

Having limited bicycling experience abroad (only PBP 2019) and thus non in England and Scotland, I am a little worried how many roads like this there will be, how save I will be and also what I can do more than the usual (sufficient lighting, reflective tape on wheels and wearing a reflective safety vest) to decrease risks apart form staying home :-).

Don't (unless it very suddenly makes sense to)
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/cycletraining/article/ct20110110-cycletraining-Bitesize-Bikeability--Part-4--On-Road-Positioning-0

Even though it'll be high tourist season the scottish roads are likely to fit the standard tourist season pattern of manic after breakfast, before lunch, after lunch and before tea and deserted the rest of the time, and then mostly in a single direction (to the nearest "big" town)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 January, 2020, 04:48:37 pm
(https://lejog1400audax.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/img_20200119_100933513.jpg?w=825&h=510&crop=1)

The first nights overnight control will be at the Mendip Activity Centre located just east of the village of Sandford. This is a lodge with 86 beds + further space for eating and erecting airbeds if necessary. This control was originally planned for Weston-Super-Mare but with the event having a much larger field than expected I've decided to look for bigger venues rather than limit entries. The event website will be updated soon when the better maps are ready.

As to the overall LEJOG distance, the signpost at Land's End states the distance to John o' Groats to be 874 miles. This signpost was apparently erected sometime during the 1950s; when the shortest distance calculated by road was 874 miles. In 1963, the shortest distance by road map was calculated to be 847 miles. Google walking distance calculates the shortest walking distance to be about 813 miles. It would appear the signpost simply hasn't been updated since first being erected.

The climbing figure written into the AUK calendar webpage is simply an estimate.

I'll be up in Scotland verifying the route between Inverness and John o' Groats next week after which the final route and distance will be moulded together.

LRM regulations allow for the route to be up to 5% over distance so by the book we're allowed up to 1470 km however, I don't intend the route to be any more than 1435 km.

Andy Corless
Organsier
LEJOG AUDAX 2020


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 21 January, 2020, 05:25:55 pm
surprisingly given Google's increasing amount of off road walking routes much to MR Team's delight...
The only diversion I had to bash in was to avoid crossing the Pentlands which added 1 mile to the shortest walking route.



Because this is mandatory route, in my view this gives the organiser more flexibility in avoiding unpleasant sections of road. The shortest possible route is around 1400km but the rules allow up to 1470km so this would allow for detours. There are some long sections in Scotland (north of Glasgow) where there is basically only one road, these are usually single carriageways such as the A82 over Rannoch Moor.

Bear in mind
"1.5 The distance of the course will be determined by the shortest distance
between controls capable of being cycled safely on road. The time
limits will be calculated by dividing this distance by the overall
minimum and maximum average speeds applicable."

No advice on what is "safe" and sections of the route have traffic densities that are both highly seasonal and highly weather dependent.


With that in mind:
Gretna Green (Dumfries & Galloway),
- B7076
Abington (South Lanarkshire),
- B7078 plus local roads
Paisley (Renfrewshire),
- Erskine bridge and the A82 (or the adjacent cycle route on the old road as far as Tarbert)
Crianlarich (Perthshire),
- A82
Fort William (Highland),
- A82
Inverness (Highland),
- A9 and the NCN sections in the vicinity
Dornoch (Highland)
- A9
Wick (Highland).
- A99
JOG
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 21 January, 2020, 09:58:30 pm
Andy says: "The first night's overnight control will be at the Mendip Activity Centre located just east of the village of Sandford."
Have updated 'guess' to reflect this control (adds 3km to distance).
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
With other tweaks that comes to 1420km + 13813m (RwGPS).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 22 January, 2020, 02:36:52 pm
Following on from yesterday's post, the Scottish section is planned to take the main roads although Google Walking suggests the shortest route uses the B-roads to the south of Loch Ness for the stretch between Fort Augustus and Inverness (riders had a choice of either that or the A82 on the Inverness 1200 last year). North of Inverness, Google Walking also suggests a 3 km short-cut along a country lane running west between Alness and Tain however, I doubt whether survivors after leaving Inverness would want to take any other route to John o' Groats than the A9/A99.

Andy Corless
Organsier
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 22 January, 2020, 05:18:58 pm
23.3k + 138m from Alness to NW of Tain (A9/B9174 junction) on the A9. 20.2k + 171m via Scotsburn: decent road, minor till Badachonacher (6km) but fast and straightish afterwards. Michael Broadwith was no doubt faster staying on the A9 (with a following vehicle).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 22 January, 2020, 11:10:58 pm
Google Walking suggests the shortest route uses the B-roads to the south of Loch Ness for the stretch between Fort Augustus and Inverness

Hm, it's also using the railway line between Laggan and Aberchalder.

I spotted lots of newish signage beside the A82 when I was up in December, and that it pointed onto the railway line but being a winter Saturday morning I hardly saw another vehicle so didn't feel the need to explore it. (And I was turning off at Invergarry which also minimizes it's usefulness)

Looks like it went up in 2017: https://goo.gl/maps/twMRPAnhA6vgDZSr9
As usual Sustrans don't give any idea of surface suitability, but it appears to be a useless gravel surface judging by pics from 2019: https://goo.gl/maps/EwUA4Tw2vJaAQ1SG9

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 23 January, 2020, 08:14:28 am
Looks quite serviceable. I've been on worse on an audax
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 23 January, 2020, 10:19:19 am
Going north from Fort William, the towpath option from Banavie to Gairlochy (and then up to the Commando Memorial above Spean Bridge to join the main road) is an excellent surface and provides the opportunity to get off the A82 - riders will have had plenty of that from Corpach north and all the way up to Inverness.
The towpath from Bridge of Oich/Aberchalder to Fort Augustus is similarly a decent surface and about the same length/climb as the main road - again I found it a welcome change.
The short bit past Laggan isn't worth the effort.
So this: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31801339?beta=false
I agree with Andy that riders heading for Inverness on Day 4 will not be able properly to appreciate the scenery to the south side of Loch Ness and prefer to put up with 50 (more) km of the A82.
I'd observe that using Inverness as a control means riders can't take the connoisseurs' route over the hill after Drumnadrochit and directly to Beauly and Dingwall (and the back road to Evanton/Alness) but are consigned to the dull and busy A9 across Kessock Bridge, the Black Isle and the Cromarty Firth bridge. The main road route is 4km longer (same climb).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 January, 2020, 11:45:50 am
Going north from Fort William, the towpath option from Banavie to Gairlochy (and then up to the Commando Memorial above Spean Bridge to join the main road) is an excellent surface and provides the opportunity to get off the A82 - riders will have had plenty of that from Corpach north and all the way up to Inverness.
The towpath from Bridge of Oich/Aberchalder to Fort Augustus is similarly a decent surface and about the same length/climb as the main road - again I found it a welcome change.
The short bit past Laggan isn't worth the effort.
So this: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31801339?beta=false
I agree with Andy that riders heading for Inverness on Day 4 will not be able properly to appreciate the scenery to the south side of Loch Ness and prefer to put up with 50 (more) km of the A82.
I'd observe that using Inverness as a control means riders can't take the connoisseurs' route over the hill after Drumnadrochit and directly to Beauly and Dingwall (and the back road to Evanton/Alness) but are consigned to the dull and busy A9 across Kessock Bridge, the Black Isle and the Cromarty Firth bridge. The main road route is 4km longer (same climb).

The section from Longman to Tore can and should be dodged using the bridge cycle track and old road, the link between the 2 is unfortunately a bit vauge.
The problem with that section is it's the only reasonable way into Inverness from most of the Black Isle so is constantly busy.

I've always gone round by Dingwall and over the Struie from Evanton when heading that way, but there is A9 alternatives round to Tain

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 23 January, 2020, 04:15:02 pm
"I'd observe that using Inverness as a control means riders can't take the connoisseurs' route over the hill after Drumnadrochit and directly to Beauly and Dingwall (and the back road to Evanton/Alness) but are consigned to the dull and busy A9 across Kessock Bridge, the Black Isle and the Cromarty Firth bridge. The main road route is 4km longer (same climb)."

Obviously with the control being in Inverness it prevents riders from taking the better option from Drumnadrochit across the Muir of Ord to Dingwall however, there's a chance that the route would have been considerably under distance anyway.

"23.3k + 138m from Alness to NW of Tain (A9/B9174 junction) on the A9. 20.2k + 171m via Scotsburn: decent road, minor till Badachonacher (6km) but fast and straightish afterwards. Michael Broadwith was no doubt faster staying on the A9 (with a following vehicle)."

Physically, I suspect those leaving Inverness heading for JOG during daylight hours will opt for the 3km short-cut (via unlit country lanes) whilst those that are riding through the dark will opt for the A9. The "official mandatory route" will of course have to use the short-cut via the lanes in order to comply with the regulations.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG Audax 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: longflaps on 24 January, 2020, 03:42:53 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 24 January, 2020, 04:28:56 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!
a big chunk of the extra cost is extra time. Riding in 9 days means twice as many overnight stops. If RAB ran at randonneu pace it could be less than £1000, but I guess most people dont want to do 300km every day.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 24 January, 2020, 04:37:13 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!
a big chunk of the extra cost is extra time. Riding in 9 days means twice as many overnight stops. If RAB ran at randonneu pace it could be less than £1000, but I guess most people dont want to do 300km every day.

I thought they used tents on RAB, £200 a night for camping.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 24 January, 2020, 04:53:11 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!

A fool and their money,..
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 24 January, 2020, 04:55:25 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!
a big chunk of the extra cost is extra time. Riding in 9 days means twice as many overnight stops. If RAB ran at randonneu pace it could be less than £1000, but I guess most people dont want to do 300km every day.

I thought they used tents on RAB, £200 a night for camping.
And food, transport, support, etc
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 24 January, 2020, 05:42:32 pm
Comparison is fairly easy... one is a fully catered ride, where all you have to worry about is to ride from A to B every day, the other is a ride where you have to worry about everything else too (logistics, luggage, mechanicals along the way, as well as collecting receipts for validation... )
And of course you are riding the same route in half the time, so roughly twice the daily mileage

Another big difference is the cost. Today I was sent an email from the organisers of RAB warning me that prices will rise after 31st Jan and that 80% of places have now all gone - they currently sell for 1799GBP a pop - see details https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/ (https://www.rideacrossbritain.com/packages/individual-entry/)!
a big chunk of the extra cost is extra time. Riding in 9 days means twice as many overnight stops. If RAB ran at randonneu pace it could be less than £1000, but I guess most people dont want to do 300km every day.

I thought they used tents on RAB, £200 a night for camping.
And food, transport, support, etc

Transport, I thought they were cycling LEJOG. £200 of food a day is also rather a lot. Cut to the chase we know RAB makes a tidy profit. Nothing wrong with that, it’s a commercial venture. Just like Andy’s lejog isnt.

321 back in the room.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 27 January, 2020, 03:09:46 pm
Crikey I've just seen the price of the RAB version: £1799 for camping or £2399 for hotels (that's apparently 8-nights though but doesn't give the star rating). I think I'll stick with the £146! Places have been increased to 200.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: j.bob on 28 January, 2020, 12:05:17 pm
Hi all,

About 14 of us from Brothers on Bikes CC have signed up. We're all a little puzzled with the 2 bag drops. How does this work exactly?

Also noticed there will be breakfast, great! And there will be food at least one control per day. Is this the overnight control every day? Or will it be another etc?

Sorry to be a pain!
Thanks
JBoB
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 28 January, 2020, 12:22:00 pm
Hi all,

About 14 of us from Brothers on Bikes CC have signed up. We're all a little puzzled with the 2 bag drops. How does this work exactly?

Also noticed there will be breakfast, great! And there will be food at least one control per day. Is this the overnight control every day? Or will it be another etc?

Sorry to be a pain!
Thanks
JBoB

Andy will be along in a minute I'm sure.

Generally with bag drops you get a gym sized draw string bag like many used to have at school.   Into it you'll be able to fit a change of clothes.  You give these bags to the organiser at the start and then the bags are transported to the bag drop locations.  These locations will be one or two of the controls.  When you reach those controls you then have a fresh set of cycling kit etc. to change into.    Then at the end of the ride the bags are returned to you.  Make sure you have a plastic bag in them for any smellies.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 28 January, 2020, 01:34:53 pm
About 14 of us from Brothers on Bikes CC have signed up. We're all a little puzzled with the 2 bag drops. How does this work exactly?
Also noticed there will be breakfast, great! And there will be food at least one control per day. Is this the overnight control every day? Or will it be another etc?
As Phil says, Andy will be along.
You will be able to designate which two overnight locations/controls you want each of the two bags to go to. Hand them in at registration/start and they will be there when you arrive. Work on 5 litres/3kg. Make them esoteric so easier to spot among 100+ bags. He says: "Drop bag to 2 of the overnight controls, an opportunity for riders to collect clean clothes etc will help ensure everyone makes it through this randonnee. Your drop-bags will later be transferred to John o’Groats ready for collection on arrival."
The overnight controls "will have adequate shower & sleeping facilities" and be at:
Churchill, Somerset: 287 km [assumed: Mendip Activity Centre]
Warrington, Cheshire: 580 km
Abington, South Lanarkshire: 854 km
Inverness, Highland: 1207 km
(Long old Day 4).
Having picked up your bags at the finish, think how you will carry them/the contents if riding across to Thurso or back down to Wick/Inverness.
Provided food is at overnight controls only (see below).
"All food & drink at the overnight controls is included"
"Entry fee includes:
    Breakfast before the start (typically cereal/toast, tea/coffee/juice etc)
    Food & drink at at least 4 of the controls
    Sleeping facilities at 4 of the expected overnight controls"
Andy has separately said that there will be a mix of bunks and air beds.
Having helped run/man the overnight control on another of Andy's rides (3 nights running) food will be available 'all the time' with menu in the evening likely to include baked potatoes, pasta (various) and baked beans (eg on toast); menu moving on to typical (non-fried) breakfast fare pre-dawn. May see you all at the first overnight.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 28 January, 2020, 02:15:30 pm
I thought Abington had changed to Paisley increasing day 3 and reducing day 4

2 drop bags to chosen locations is an assumption. It could just as easily be one drop bag each, all transported to 2 locations as determined by the organiser.

I hope 5litres is not the expected size, considering this is not an out and back or circular route, so will need civies for travelling to penzance and from john o groats. I dont really want to spend all day on public transport in lycra and SPDs
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 28 January, 2020, 05:38:21 pm
I thought Abington had changed to Paisley increasing day 3 and reducing day 4

2 drop bags to chosen locations is an assumption. It could just as easily be one drop bag each, all transported to 2 locations as determined by the organiser.

I hope 5litres is not the expected size, considering this is not an out and back or circular route, so will need civies for travelling to penzance and from john o groats. I dont really want to spend all day on public transport in lycra and SPDs

Having 1 drop bag two locations would make movement of drop bag logistically more challenging. As Andy and his helpers would need to know which riders had been through before potentially transporting bags in multiple trips to the other location during event. Just taking separate bags to each location at the start of event, then moving bags to finish after all riders have been through / control closes, is much easier.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 28 January, 2020, 06:32:58 pm
I thought Abington had changed to Paisley increasing day 3 and reducing day 4

2 drop bags to chosen locations is an assumption. It could just as easily be one drop bag each, all transported to 2 locations as determined by the organiser.

I hope 5litres is not the expected size, considering this is not an out and back or circular route, so will need civies for travelling to penzance and from john o groats. I dont really want to spend all day on public transport in lycra and SPDs
Andy has very recently updated the Event Information page: https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/
and that lists the first control as 'Churchill' - it's half way between Sandford and Churchill (assumed) BS25 5PQ.
So I guess he aspired to change N3 from Abington to Paisley but that hasn't happened.
See what you mean by drop bag text interpretation "Drop bag to 2 of the overnight controls,  . . .  Your drop-bags will later be transferred to John o’Groats ready for collection on arrival." One bag sequentially to two controls (?designated by who?) and then to the finish seems more workable. 10 litres then, perhaps. The yellow PBP bags might just take 5 litres; the LEL ones maybe 7? Why would one need civvies for travelling down to Land's End? What do you think normal unsupported riders do? Wear some shoes you're about to throw out and dump them at Penzance railway station. Same with an old top. Getting back from JoG I posted a shoebox with shoes, socks, T-shirt and shorts to the far north (capacity about 6 litres) so I could travel in comfortable, clean clothes.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 28 January, 2020, 07:52:23 pm
I thought Abington had changed to Paisley increasing day 3 and reducing day 4

2 drop bags to chosen locations is an assumption. It could just as easily be one drop bag each, all transported to 2 locations as determined by the organiser.

I hope 5litres is not the expected size, considering this is not an out and back or circular route, so will need civies for travelling to penzance and from john o groats. I dont really want to spend all day on public transport in lycra and SPDs
Andy has very recently updated the Event Information page: https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/
and that lists the first control as 'Churchill' - it's half way between Sandford and Churchill (assumed) BS25 5PQ.
So I guess he aspired to change N3 from Abington to Paisley but that hasn't happened.
See what you mean by drop bag text interpretation "Drop bag to 2 of the overnight controls,  . . .  Your drop-bags will later be transferred to John o’Groats ready for collection on arrival." One bag sequentially to two controls (?designated by who?) and then to the finish seems more workable. 10 litres then, perhaps. The yellow PBP bags might just take 5 litres; the LEL ones maybe 7? Why would one need civvies for travelling down to Land's End? What do you think normal unsupported riders do? Wear some shoes you're about to throw out and dump them at Penzance railway station. Same with an old top. Getting back from JoG I posted a shoebox with shoes, socks, T-shirt and shorts to the far north (capacity about 6 litres) so I could travel in comfortable, clean clothes.
I imagine they use panniers and travel fewer miles per day.  A lot of people use a support van or even sign on to RAB. Travelling to lands end is not so bad. But travelling back from inverness on the plane and then home from heathrow in cycling kit, is not practical. not to mention trying to get through airport security with spd shoes. So if I need to carry these things on the bike, then little need for drop bags.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 January, 2020, 08:08:19 pm
Inverness does have some shops BTW...

A pair of travel trousers (or maybe even shorts), a travel shirt and some small light fold or squash able shoes take up very little space.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ian H on 28 January, 2020, 08:22:06 pm
Inverness does have some shops BTW...

A pair of travel trousers (or maybe even shorts), a travel shirt and some small light fold or squash able shoes take up very little space.

Indeed.  I've done longer rides unsupported, with a minimum of off-bike clothing (nothing more than would fit in a large saddlebag).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Greenbank on 28 January, 2020, 08:39:01 pm
I imagine they use panniers and travel fewer miles per day.  A lot of people use a support van or even sign on to RAB. Travelling to lands end is not so bad. But travelling back from inverness on the plane and then home from heathrow in cycling kit, is not practical. not to mention trying to get through airport security with spd shoes. So if I need to carry these things on the bike, then little need for drop bags.

If I was flying I'd be more worried about how I was going to package up the bike for the return flight as there's no way that 10L would be enough to hold sufficient padding/bags for the bike. When I flew back from PBP in 2011 I carried out a CTC clear plastic bag and a whole load of pre-cut pipe lagging (and zip ties) so I could protect the bike for the return journey (it went out to Paris in the back of a van).

So, how were you going to solve this problem?

If you were going to solve this problem by visiting a bike shop or similar in Inverness to get it boxed up then you can just buy some cheap shoes/clothes (I kitted myself out once for under £20 in Tesco when a friend who was carrying my luggage said she was going to be 6 hours later than expected to meet us and we were already at our destination) and either post other stuff back or package it up with the bike to go in the hold.

If it were me I'd be looking to go by train there and back (it helps to live in London):-

5L should be enough for the spare kit I'd need during the ride (a spare pair of shorts and a couple of spare jerseys plus some other luxuries) and the other 5L allowance could be used for clothes/shoes to travel in. I'd then split the spare kit between the two drop bags so it was in the right place and fill up the rest of the space in each with the normal clothing/shoes as it didn't matter where this was as long as it gets to JOG.

Even then I've done plenty of trains to/from Audaxes in cycling kit. When I did a 3 day one-way DIY recce of London-Edinburgh in 2009 I came back by train in the same kit I'd used on one of the days as I had to carry everything for all 3 days as there were no drop bags at all. It's one reason why I much prefer SPDs and MTB shoes, walking normal distances is perfectly doable.

10L * 200 people = 2000L = 2m3 at least if it was as dense as water. Quantative surverying rule of thumb is to treble volumes for loose items so that's 8m3. That's a big van already. To give people even a 30L rucksack and you triple that to 24m3.

Pare it down, come up with another solution or realise a one-way trip like this with a flight at the end might not be for you.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 28 January, 2020, 09:20:05 pm
One solution to the train clothing problem is to book the sleeper.
Compartment to yourself, clothing doesn't matter (unless it suddenly does when you grind to a halt on Slochd with a broken 86 on the front)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 28 January, 2020, 11:47:16 pm
I hope 5litres is not the expected size, considering this is not an out and back or circular route, so will need civies for travelling to penzance and from john o groats. I dont really want to spend all day on public transport in lycra and SPDs
Why would one need civvies for travelling down to Land's End? What do you think normal unsupported riders do? Wear some shoes you're about to throw out and dump them at Penzance railway station. Same with an old top. Getting back from JoG I posted a shoebox with shoes, socks, T-shirt and shorts to the far north (capacity about 6 litres) so I could travel in comfortable, clean clothes.
I imagine they use panniers and travel fewer miles per day.  A lot of people use a support van or even sign on to RAB. Travelling to lands end is not so bad. But travelling back from inverness on the plane and then home from heathrow in cycling kit, is not practical. not to mention trying to get through airport security with spd shoes. So if I need to carry these things on the bike, then little need for drop bags.
But riders taking on an Audax LEJOG are not "a lot of people" they're more or less self-supported. Imagine panniers all you like: I carried about 5kg in 15 litres in bag and rack. But I only averaged 180km a day. I'm not suggesting travelling home in cycling kit, as I said a shoebox will get you shoes and clothes to travel in - post it for pennies to where you're staying after finishing. To get back to work in London I took the ferry to Orkney, rode the 30km to Kirkwall, caught the overnight ferry to Aberdeen (2330-0700) and flew back (having packed my bike in a cardboard box from a bike shop) to Heathrow and then a bus. Was back at work (well at my desk) 24 hours after finishing at JoG.
"trying to get through airport security with spd shoes" - you seem to be scrabbling at straws and looking for problems not solutions.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 29 January, 2020, 12:40:34 am
I imagine they use panniers and travel fewer miles per day.  A lot of people use a support van or even sign on to RAB. Travelling to lands end is not so bad. But travelling back from inverness on the plane and then home from heathrow in cycling kit, is not practical. not to mention trying to get through airport security with spd shoes. So if I need to carry these things on the bike, then little need for drop bags.

If I was flying I'd be more worried about how I was going to package up the bike for the return flight as there's no way that 10L would be enough to hold sufficient padding/bags for the bike. When I flew back from PBP in 2011 I carried out a CTC clear plastic bag and a whole load of pre-cut pipe lagging (and zip ties) so I could protect the bike for the return journey (it went out to Paris in the back of a van).

So, how were you going to solve this problem?

If you were going to solve this problem by visiting a bike shop or similar in Inverness to get it boxed up then you can just buy some cheap shoes/clothes (I kitted myself out once for under £20 in Tesco when a friend who was carrying my luggage said she was going to be 6 hours later than expected to meet us and we were already at our destination) and either post other stuff back or package it up with the bike to go in the hold.

If it were me I'd be looking to go by train there and back (it helps to live in London):-

5L should be enough for the spare kit I'd need during the ride (a spare pair of shorts and a couple of spare jerseys plus some other luxuries) and the other 5L allowance could be used for clothes/shoes to travel in. I'd then split the spare kit between the two drop bags so it was in the right place and fill up the rest of the space in each with the normal clothing/shoes as it didn't matter where this was as long as it gets to JOG.

Even then I've done plenty of trains to/from Audaxes in cycling kit. When I did a 3 day one-way DIY recce of London-Edinburgh in 2009 I came back by train in the same kit I'd used on one of the days as I had to carry everything for all 3 days as there were no drop bags at all. It's one reason why I much prefer SPDs and MTB shoes, walking normal distances is perfectly doable.

10L * 200 people = 2000L = 2m3 at least if it was as dense as water. Quantative surverying rule of thumb is to treble volumes for loose items so that's 8m3. That's a big van already. To give people even a 30L rucksack and you triple that to 24m3.

Pare it down, come up with another solution or realise a one-way trip like this with a flight at the end might not be for you.
Bike return is sorted. Shipping it home still a big saving over taking the train. John o groats bike company arrange this for end to end riders all the time.

Sleeper train £190 flight £30 shipping bike home £80. Not to mention the many hours saved. I cant see why anyone would want to pay more to take the train, not to mention the limited number of bike spaces on train. Now the field is about 200. How many bikes per train on the inverness to london line? And how many trains per day? How long to get everyone back?

I made sure j had plans in place for return travel before signing up. The last thing I wanted was to be at the station at wick/thurso with the guard saying no more than 6 people on the train and 150 riders on the platform
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Greenbank on 29 January, 2020, 10:04:08 am
Bike return is sorted. Shipping it home still a big saving over taking the train. John o groats bike company arrange this for end to end riders all the time.

Sleeper train £190 flight £30 shipping bike home £80. Not to mention the many hours saved. I cant see why anyone would want to pay more to take the train, not to mention the limited number of bike spaces on train. Now the field is about 200. How many bikes per train on the inverness to london line? And how many trains per day? How long to get everyone back?

I made sure j had plans in place for return travel before signing up. The last thing I wanted was to be at the station at wick/thurso with the guard saying no more than 6 people on the train and 150 riders on the platform

OK, so it's simple for you then. Use some of your drop bag space to stash some lightweight shoes and clothes and use those when finished, if need be drop in to a local Primark/H&M/whatever and buy some more clothes, stick your SPD shoes with your bike and let JOG bike company deal with those for you. Or, as others have said, post some clothes up to yourself at JOG in advance. Plenty of people do this.

As for "I cant see why anyone would want to pay more to take the train"

I often take the train because:
a) It's far less eco-damaging[1] than flying
b) I'm willing to sacrifice a bit more time to enable (a) but the difference isn't that huge
c) You can often get much cheaper train tickets when the advance fares open up ~90 days in advance - it might not end up costing more than flying but this is always a gamble. I remember paying £20 or so to come back from Edinburgh to London on the train, and that was 1st class with free biscuits/coffee - no chance of flying for that price.
d) Yes bike reservations can be a bit of a gamble, but generally it works out. I've always managed to get back from various events in the past, and I could just ship my bike in the same way you were planning to.

Picking a random day in March (within the 90 days) then selecting Wick to London train fares I get told it's £196. Doing individual tickets from Wick/Inverness/Edinburgh/London I can get advance fares for £9.80 + £17.60 + £32.00 = £59.40. That would leave Wick at 6am and arrive back in London at 7pm.

So £60 for the train instead of a £30 flight (plus the cost of getting to the airport, which looks like it is £15 at least with advance fares). I could send a bike in the same way you were planning to and only have to spend £15 more to not have to fly.

1. The whole thing is an entirely unnecessary event (but people are allowed some fun in their lives) so I prefer to think of it in terms of eco-damaging rather than doing an absolutely necessary thing in a more eco-friendly way.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Deano4 on 31 January, 2020, 03:35:02 pm
Just got the time off work for this, so I’m in!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: longflaps on 05 February, 2020, 03:26:48 pm
Crikey I've just seen the price of the RAB version: £1799 for camping or £2399 for hotels (that's apparently 8-nights though but doesn't give the star rating). I think I'll stick with the £146! Places have been increased to 200.

Andy Corless

Now gone up to £1899 for camping and hotel version sold out!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 06 February, 2020, 11:12:31 am
"Now gone up to £1899 for camping and hotel version sold out!"

That's £1899 for the RAB version. The price for the Audax version remains at £146.

More details when the February update with latest developments is emailed to all entrants next week after I return from Paul's 200.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Tomsk on 09 February, 2020, 06:54:36 pm
I'm in! Something to focus my 'training' on [wots that then?] this year. It'll be a contrast to my holiday LEJOG in 2002 - 16 days and 1,100 miles, including a day off the bike and some very easy touristy stages. I'll probably stay on a few days afterwards and explore the north coast, Cape Wrath etc ... which means a bigger saddlebag.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 09 February, 2020, 09:48:42 pm

OK, so it's simple for you then. Use some of your drop bag space to stash some lightweight shoes and clothes and use those when finished, if need be drop in to a local Primark/H&M/whatever and buy some more clothes, stick your SPD shoes with your bike and let JOG bike company deal with those for you. Or, as others have said, post some clothes up to yourself at JOG in advance. Plenty of people do this.

If you are getting JOG bike company to package up your bike, can you also get them to receive a parcel? Wear stuff to Lands end, post it to JOG, done.

Worst case, amazon prime order to the nearest post office to Jog?

Quote

As for "I cant see why anyone would want to pay more to take the train"

I often take the train because:
a) It's far less eco-damaging[1] than flying
b) I'm willing to sacrifice a bit more time to enable (a) but the difference isn't that huge
c) You can often get much cheaper train tickets when the advance fares open up ~90 days in advance - it might not end up costing more than flying but this is always a gamble. I remember paying £20 or so to come back from Edinburgh to London on the train, and that was 1st class with free biscuits/coffee - no chance of flying for that price.
d) Yes bike reservations can be a bit of a gamble, but generally it works out. I've always managed to get back from various events in the past, and I could just ship my bike in the same way you were planning to.

e) you really hate airports.

J
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: David27 on 10 February, 2020, 11:20:03 am
I've entered
website mentions a commemorative jersey (I love that kind of stuff)
but I can't see how you order it
Have I missed something?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 10 February, 2020, 12:31:30 pm
I've entered
website mentions a commemorative jersey (I love that kind of stuff)
but I can't see how you order it
Have I missed something?
No details yet, I expect details will emerge in time, will probably be sold on the force GB website
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 12 February, 2020, 12:09:11 pm
"No details yet, I expect details will emerge in time, will probably be sold on the force GB website."

Jersey currently in design and will appear in early April just before I go away at Easter.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 12 February, 2020, 12:51:05 pm
Hi, we have entered on our Tandem (none coupled frame) and live in Nottingham. Due to the logistics of transporting it, we are considering hiring a car/small van on a one way rental. Notts to Penznace, Wick to Notts. We have 1 night acc. booked prior start and after finish. The cost isn't actually that bad at approx £170ish each way + fuel, while providing some flexibility. There is also the option of couriering it, but insurance of an expensive unit is a problem, ours doesn't cover if not traveling with it, and the cost of insuring it with the Currier stars to out way this option.

Just wondering if anyone fancies sharing either way or both, no problem with stopping en route to collect drop off.

also open to other ideas, if anyone has any :)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 12 February, 2020, 01:39:53 pm
I met some Tandemists in the hostel in Thurso, they saved visiting LeJog until the next day (I'd got thoroughly drenched) after which they returned to Thurso with one of them taking the train bus to Inverness to get a hire van.

Doubt there's any chain van hire further north than Inverness.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 12 February, 2020, 01:42:16 pm
Hertz are at Wick, I’ve had a quote from them.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 12 February, 2020, 01:43:23 pm
Hertz are at Wick, I’ve had a quote from them.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: j.bob on 13 February, 2020, 08:25:52 am
How many spaces we talking? (Man with bike)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 13 February, 2020, 08:50:50 am
That may be subject to interest and vehicle hired, also where you are located. There are options for MPV type vehicles or vans with several seats


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: George60 on 14 February, 2020, 10:16:15 am
Andy, entered LEJOG today. Please use georgeh@waitrose.com for communication  NOT my old Innes Johnston e mail address. Sorry for inconvenience. Many thanks, George Harper.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 19 February, 2020, 06:29:49 pm
I have your entry. The latest update will be going out very soon.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 25 February, 2020, 09:32:11 am
Everybody who's entered should have by now been emailed the February update.

There's still some confusion over the drop-bag arrangements. Basically, each rider can simply fill two bags at the start (typically with clean clothes and equipment etc). Both of these bags will be transported to two of the selected overnight controls, either Sandford; Warrington; Paisley or Inverness. After you’ve passed through the control, we’ll collect the bag and transport it onto John o’ Groats. All the bags should arrive at JOG before any of the riders ready for collection. I've reworded and updated the event website.

I'll allow about 15 more entries. I'll be away this weekend but when I return next Tuesday I'll start to knock the route-sheet together so the first drafts should be appearing around early April. There'll likely be some amendments as I continue to build the event but these will be minor.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: klem on 25 February, 2020, 11:51:48 am
I rode LEJOG as a solo perm end of Sept 2009.

Only after reaching JOG and booking into the Seaview late evening did I investigate the return to London, to find limited trains from Thurso and Wick and all bike spaces booked out for weeks.

However both were freely available from Inverness, so I cycled back there over 2 days stopping overnight at a pub in Brora, which made for a relaxing and hassle free end to the ride.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Tomsk on 25 February, 2020, 07:58:27 pm
I rode LEJOG as a solo perm end of Sept 2009.

Only after reaching JOG and booking into the Seaview late evening did I investigate the return to London, to find limited trains from Thurso and Wick and all bike spaces booked out for weeks.

However both were freely available from Inverness, so I cycled back there over 2 days stopping overnight at a pub in Brora, which made for a relaxing and hassle free end to the ride.

My plan more or less, having ridden all th'blinkin' way to the top bit, is to take a more few days touring the Highlands, then get the train from Inverness. If I had more time I'd be tempted to go island hoppng across Orkney and Shetland.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 26 February, 2020, 10:57:24 am
There is a Halfords in Inverness. Get a box from there and fly back.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 26 February, 2020, 06:31:21 pm
It's been interesting following the various travelling patterns to/from Land's End and JOG. Most people (judging by emails) seem to be relying on the railways but the trains can only carry so many bikes. I'd be interested in riders posting their intentions on this forum. If you don't know already there's some travel advice on the event website at:

https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/

A lot of riders have commented on the physical and financial restraints of travel to either end of the country although it is worth noting that as many Audax riders ride the end to end at some point during their cycling lives it is a challenge that you'll have how/whenever you decide to ride it.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 26 February, 2020, 07:45:59 pm
I am planning train down and then to courier service back so i can relax on the train.  Worst case, I will cycle back to inverness or even prevail on family to drive up from Aberdeen to collect me and get me to a bigger station.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 26 February, 2020, 07:57:33 pm
From Inverness
12 trains to Edinburgh and Glasgow a day (6 each I think) - 2 bike spaces (Scotrail and Chieftain)
4 spaces on sleeper?
16 trains a day to Aberdeen connect to train to Edinburgh or Glasgow, another 2 bike spaces each


Roughly 60 bike spaces a day out of Inverness.

Split from Thursday to Sunday should be enough?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 26 February, 2020, 10:07:10 pm
I am planning train down and then to courier service back so i can relax on the train.  Worst case, I will cycle back to inverness or even prevail on family to drive up from Aberdeen to collect me and get me to a bigger station.

On another forum a regular lejogger recommends shipping bikes back by pallet. A quick look online indicates about £44 once you’ve sourced a pallet from somewhere.

Edit the pallet shipping  company I was looking at can also supply the pallet £12.50 plus VAT
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 February, 2020, 10:21:02 am
My plan more or less, having ridden all th'blinkin' way to the top bit, is to take a more few days touring the Highlands, then get the train from Inverness. If I had more time I'd be tempted to go island hoppng across Orkney and Shetland.
Not riding but: Ferry across to Burwick (summer) or from Gills Bay (6km away, all year round, currently 1845 sailing) and then the midnight ferry Kirkwall (Orkney Mainland) to Aberdeen is efficient in time. Finish at JoG at 5pm and in 15 hours a rider can be at either Aberdeen train station (bike spaces available) or its airport for the journey south (cardboard box from bike shop). I flew back and was in London 'at work' (with my bike) the afternoon after finishing at JoG at 1515.
https://www.pentlandferries.co.uk/timetable-2/
I used the hostel in Kirkwall as a staging post: http://orcadeshostel.com/ (shower/snooze/food shop etc)
From Kirkwall to Aberdeen: Mon/Wed/Fri 2345-0700 (comfier than Newhaven -Dieppe and longer so decent time to sleep)
https://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/timetables/
Lots more flights from Aberdeen than Inverness.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 27 February, 2020, 10:54:06 am
My plan more or less, having ridden all th'blinkin' way to the top bit, is to take a more few days touring the Highlands, then get the train from Inverness. If I had more time I'd be tempted to go island hoppng across Orkney and Shetland.
Not riding but: Ferry across to Burwick (summer) or from Gills Bay (6km away, all year round, currently 1845 sailing) and then the midnight ferry Kirkwall (Orkney Mainland) to Aberdeen is efficient in time. Finish at JoG at 5pm and in 15 hours a rider can be at either Aberdeen train station (bike spaces available) or its airport for the journey south (cardboard box from bike shop). I flew back and was in London 'at work' (with my bike) the afternoon after finishing at JoG at 1515.
https://www.pentlandferries.co.uk/timetable-2/
I used the hostel in Kirkwall as a staging post: http://orcadeshostel.com/ (shower/snooze/food shop etc)
From Kirkwall to Aberdeen: Mon/Wed/Fri 2345-0700 (comfier than Newhaven -Dieppe and longer so decent time to sleep)
https://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/timetables/
Lots more flights from Aberdeen than Inverness.
Note the kirkwall to Aberdeen ferry is not daily, only 3 times a week (mon, wed, fri)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: longflaps on 04 March, 2020, 12:57:57 pm
It's been interesting following the various travelling patterns to/from Land's End and JOG. Most people (judging by emails) seem to be relying on the railways but the trains can only carry so many bikes. I'd be interested in riders posting their intentions on this forum. If you don't know already there's some travel advice on the event website at:

https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/

A lot of riders have commented on the physical and financial restraints of travel to either end of the country although it is worth noting that as many Audax riders ride the end to end at some point during their cycling lives it is a challenge that you'll have how/whenever you decide to ride it.


Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020


I often tag on a bit more cycling before and after long events to make more of a holiday out of it. With this in mind I'm considering cycling back down to Inverness or maybe even Glasgow after completing. Will probably use train to get to the start.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 05 March, 2020, 12:33:21 pm
Anyone planning on getting to the start  by air may struggle now as flybe are no longer operating.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 05 March, 2020, 06:30:25 pm
It's only 300k to the start from here. Maybe I should cycle.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 06 March, 2020, 03:33:09 pm
Hertz are at Wick, I’ve had a quote from them.


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Well that's us sorted-
Hire van through work, Notts to Sennen £47!
Hertz van Wick to Notts £120
not bad for two + Tandem.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: willpom gwraudax on 06 March, 2020, 06:42:26 pm
It's only 300k to the start from here. Maybe I should cycle.

Only 1100km back from the finish...

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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 06 March, 2020, 11:33:06 pm
It's only 300k to the start from here. Maybe I should cycle.

Only 1100km back from the finish...

That would be quite an epic ECE...

J
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 09 March, 2020, 06:27:03 pm
"It's only 300k to the start from here. Maybe I should cycle.....  Only 1100km back from the finish..."

I believe that Bob Garrett cycled from his home to Land's End; completed the LEJOG Permanent; paused for a couple of days before riding home whilst on his way to the 1998 individual championship which was apparently an equivalent distance to the Great Triangle (which is about 3400 km long). I don't know where he lived and/or whether he's still around. There might be more that's done the same or similar.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 09 March, 2020, 07:15:23 pm
It's only 300k to the start from here. Maybe I should cycle.

Only 1100km back from the finish...

(https://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1460212372679.gif)

I did notice.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: optoboman on 13 March, 2020, 03:46:56 pm
Looks like Loganair are stopping the Wick to Edinburgh flight at the end of this month.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andrew097 on 18 March, 2020, 07:14:46 pm
Hate to mention it but Coronavid19 how is this going to play out or too soon to say
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2020, 08:09:45 pm
I would be amazed if anything runs before October  unfortunately all the experts think its going to 6 months. Minimum! !
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 18 March, 2020, 08:11:31 pm
I would be amazed if anything runs before October  unfortunately all the experts think its going to 6 months. Minimum! !

TbH, I'm expecting the whole year to be a write off :(

J
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: postie on 18 March, 2020, 08:37:17 pm
Q, i think your right, spent all day deciding what to do about my events!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: quixoticgeek on 18 March, 2020, 10:44:08 pm
Q, i think your right, spent all day deciding what to do about my events!

Even when events can be run again, people are going to be trying to run all the postponed events at the same time on the same very small selection of available dates.

If stuff happens it's a bonus, but I'm kinda assuming that nothing will happen this year.

This is going to effect things far and wide.

J
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jack_P on 19 March, 2020, 11:05:06 am
A shame but I'm also expecting a total cancelation, certainly would be a different ride with less daylight of Autumn.
The seed has been set though and I am still keen on doing a LeJog of some form this Summer.

can this even happen in 2021 with LEL running?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 19 March, 2020, 03:21:43 pm
While cancellation is possible, the ride is still over 4 months away.  The IOC still think they will be holding the Olympics at that time which is probably less likely add it requires the situation to be under control in all countries not just this one.

While I would not be surprised if it does have to be cancelled I am bit giving up hope just yet. See what the picture looks like at the start of June.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 20 March, 2020, 09:07:59 am
Good morning all!

Firstly, I'd like to offer my condolences to anyone who's lost loved ones during the Covid 19 pandemic. I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank those AUK members working for the emergency services around the clock for us all this last few weeks during the dreadful Covid 19 outbreak.

Obviously, we've seen the Covid-19 outbreak have an impact on sporting events worldwide which might or might not have an impact on the LEJOG event. As you're all probably aware, AUK has temporarily suspended all future AUK events indefinitely due to the COVID 19 outbreak. The AUK board are going to review the situation at their next board meeting in late April, but they've also advised organisers not to cancel their events at the moment for logistical reasons.

As the LEJOG isn't due to take place before late July there's unlikely to be any further movement with the event physically or financially before the
April board meeting, other than myself continuing to build the event in the hope that the situation improves before the Summer and the event will go ahead as planned, although event entry has been restricted for now. In the meantime, entrants will continue to receive bi-monthly updates (next update due in April). If or whenever it becomes apparent that the LEJOG has to be postponed; cancelled etc then a range of options will need to be explored.

However, this is a rapidly escalating pandemic and actions, including government sanctions can be implemented at a moment's notice that have implications for everyone.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX 2020
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 03 April, 2020, 12:46:39 am
Hi everyone. Just registered now as I think my situation is a bit dire. Hopefully someone might be able to advise how I could contact Andy as my email doesn't seem to have gotten through from laat week. I'm really hoping he is ok...

I'm Shafiq and an ICU nurse in Yokshire and part of the Brothers on Bikes cycling crew. I've been following this thread ever since a few of us registered for the event a few months ago (I think it was early January) but as soon as we started getting told and learning about the WuhanNovel I already had in the back of my mind about extra precautions and what would happened to our lovely event (the LeJOG). Then eventually the above message came from Andy on here and then the email that he was planning to continue building the event...

By this point I was pretty certain (from following Italy as did many) that it probably would have to be cancelled as it wouldn't be safe. I advised whoever would listen of my friends and not get annoyed at me. Then eventually when we got 'the talking to' from our manager that its gonna be a difficult few months I emailed Andy to see if I could cancel (I understand that it was a noCancellation policy and fully prepared to lose my money).

However, since my email there was no response which made me wonder for his safety and/or whether my email got through. As times have gotten slowly worse for us on the ICUs across the country I have recently decided to try and sell things off (fundraiser can be found on BearbonesBikepackingForum) to try and support my colleagues with extra/adequate presonal protective equipment. Today I've just put an order through for some respirators for us to use and mostly funded by the nice people on the BB forum as well as some mates from our cycling club (BoB cc) and I've also decided to fund one of my own. Thats what has brought me here...

I wonder whether anyone knows if Andy is ok and whether or not there will be any refunds taking place as after paying for the quipment I'm gonna be slightly out of pocket and hoped I might be able to get a refund or parital refund or even an update.

Dont take this the wrong way please. I'm not trying to break rule #1 and nor am I asking for any handouts from anyone. Just hoping someone might be here that has direct access to Andy and know if hes ok and whether or not there is any chsnce I might be able to approach him to try and arrange a partial (half or quarter or even a 3rd as I understand these things aren't cheapt to put together and the rules were obviously clear on 'no refunds'...

Thanks very much and I do hope noone takes offence at my sudden post that might even sound like a rant!... I alsi do hooe this will not  cause any grievance in any other way to anyone else including Andy...

I come in peace. Just trying to get a little update on if anythings happeneing and/or advice
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 03 April, 2020, 12:53:08 am
NB. If anyone thinks my post wasn't observing rule #1 (dont be a ...) then feel free to PM and I'm happy to delete and just wait to see when Andy manages to cstch up. Apologies in advance
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: chrisbainbridge on 03 April, 2020, 07:28:47 am
I don’t think anybody will take offence. If they do ignore the. 
I too do not think that we will see audax rides this season.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: davocon on 03 April, 2020, 10:06:09 am
I'm actually worried if it DOES go ahead now as I won't have done any 300, 400, 600 as build-up training!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 03 April, 2020, 10:50:58 am
I'm actually worried if it DOES go ahead now as I won't have done any 300, 400, 600 as build-up training!
I doubt this will happen.  I think for it to go ahead restrictions will need to be eased by end of June possibly giving time for some last minute ramping up.

But it will Neff more than restriction reading for the ride to go ahead,  I don't see any viable exit strategy in place by July.
1 vaccine, al Ralph of a vaccine is it being at leafy a year away
2 eradication of the virus nationally,  seems unlikely especially with birds still open
3 testing that shows 60% have already had it and the mortality rate was significantly lower than thought all along.  (The condemned herd immunity)
I can see a case where infections are low and testing and tracking is viable to contain outbreaks,  this will allow return to somewhat more normal life with twith some restriction,
 but a group of 200 people riding the length of the country would be less than ideal if the aim is to stop the virus spreading from one area to another
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 03 April, 2020, 10:53:43 am
I'm actually worried if it DOES go ahead now as I won't have done any 300, 400, 600 as build-up training!

Has training indoors or cycling outside been banned?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: davocon on 03 April, 2020, 11:01:10 am
I'm actually worried if it DOES go ahead now as I won't have done any 300, 400, 600 as build-up training!

Has training indoors or cycling outside been banned?

I am training indoors in the way I normally would. But I wouldn't normally be doing 600s before such an event.
I am not going to do a 24+ hour ride on my turbo trainer!
Let's not start the outdoor ride argument that has been prevalent on the Facebook groups. Rides outside are restricted to reasonable outdoor exercise starting from your home depending on level of fitness. It is left that vague, but I don't think multiple 24+ hour rides as training is in the spirit of these restrictions!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 03 April, 2020, 11:24:13 am
Answering/advising @Redefined_cycles (and thanks for your service on the front line).
I think Andy made it clear that he awaits AudaxUK's board meeting where they're going to review the situation "in late April, but they've also advised organisers not to cancel their events [scheduled after end June?] at the moment for logistical reasons."
So I suggest he'll send out an e-mail (which will effectively answer your question) thereafter.
Some organisers have the time and inclination to answer all the e-mails they receive. Others, less so, and particularly if there's no substantive answer to give.
This country (UK) will either have seen the peak by late April or it won't. And the exit route is not clear and depends on how things go.
This will include whether long rides (as opposed to daily exercise) are acceptable, either alone or in groups. I note the Deloitte 'Ride Across Britain' site has no revised announcement, and that's 1000+ all camping together and pissing up in the evenings after a short daily ride. But it is scheduled for September and costs £1899 - still taking entries  ::-).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 03 April, 2020, 02:12:32 pm
They might still be accepting entries,  I doubt anyone is placing any.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Phil W on 03 April, 2020, 04:37:02 pm
I'm actually worried if it DOES go ahead now as I won't have done any 300, 400, 600 as build-up training!

In 2018 I didn’t ride above 220km ahead of the West Highland 1000.  It wasn’t the plan but due to a frame breaking and other matters that’s how it ended up.  It was fine, and I didn’t even do it on my own bike.  So as long as you can get the shorter harder rides in your fitness will be fine.  It’s just the routine of audax and what you carry overnight that’ll be rusty.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 03 April, 2020, 06:23:57 pm
Answering/advising @Redefined_cycles (and thanks for your service on the front line).
I think Andy made it clear that he awaits AudaxUK's board meeting where they're going to review the situation "in late April, but they've also advised organisers not to cancel their events [scheduled after end June?] at the moment for logistical reasons."
So I suggest he'll send out an e-mail (which will effectively answer your question) thereafter.
Some organisers have the time and inclination to answer all the e-mails they receive. Others, less so, and particularly if there's no substantive answer to give.
This country (UK) will either have seen the peak by late April or it won't. And the exit route is not clear and depends on how things go.
This will include whether long rides (as opposed to daily exercise) are acceptable, either alone or in groups. I note the Deloitte 'Ride Across Britain' site has no revised announcement, and that's 1000+ all camping together and pissing up in the evenings after a short daily ride. But it is scheduled for September and costs £1899 - still taking entries  ::-).

Thanks very much for that comprehensive response... Makes sense totally... I shall await that said meeting... Thanks and I'm now at ease....
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 04 April, 2020, 02:00:14 pm
I'm thankful for the discussion here, as it confirms my hunch that this ride is unlikely to come off.  I'm writing from the states, and observing that your buffoon-in-office has been only marginally more competent than our buffoon-in-office.  It is hard to imagine that international travel will be possible in July.

Personally, I don't care very much about the refund, as it was to be a small part of the expense anyway.  I wonder if it would make sense to delay the ride to the summer of 2021.  Of course, it could not conflict with LEL, but Danial has mentioned the possibility that that ride might also need to be delayed a year.

I hope that everyone in this list is doing well.  While I was looking forward to this ride, recent events have put it in perspective--health, family, national well being, social order and the preservation of something like democracy seem far more important concerns at the moment.

Best wishes,
Bill Watts
Indiana, USA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 30 April, 2020, 05:53:46 pm
Does anyone know the status of this event?  I had understood that this would be determined at an Audax UK board meeting in April, but I haven't heard any news from that meeting.  I don't expect that the news can be good, but, as I would have to book a trans-Atlantic flight, it would be helpful to know if this has been decided.

Bill Watts
USA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 30 April, 2020, 08:08:12 pm
Does anyone know the status of this event?  I had understood that this would be determined at an Audax UK board meeting in April, but I haven't heard any news from that meeting.  I don't expect that the news can be good, but, as I would have to book a trans-Atlantic flight, it would be helpful to know if this has been decided.

Bill Watts
USA

Hi Bill

The board did meet and the suspension was upheld to carry on subject to future Government guidelines with respect to social distancing and group activities.

Our next brief over here in the UK on what the Government is going to do is the 7th of May, up until that point we still are in lockdown.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 01 May, 2020, 11:16:49 am
I think your bigger problem  will be the policies of UK and USA allowing people into the country from other countries with high infection rates.

While there may be potential for a return to audax by end of July  an event where 300 people will be meeting each night in a bunk house seems higher risk than most.

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: lmm on 02 May, 2020, 11:03:44 am
Our next brief over here in the UK on what the Government is going to do is the 7th of May, up until that point we still are in lockdown.

Have you set a date at which you'd be postponing/cancelling if the lockdown hasn't been lifted by then? I'm in a similar position re flights and it'd be good to know how last minute a last minute booking would have to be.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jack_P on 02 May, 2020, 03:59:11 pm
Just thinking aloud:
Say we start this ride sometime this year under a government and Audax allowance that events of up to 500 people can proceed
After night 1 control stop someone falls ill with the virus symptoms.
Does this mean under track and trace that everyone in contact, a chunk of the field and organisers probably, have to make arrangements to self-isolate, not an easy senario in that case.

Seems no way that anyone could continue the ride with the possibility they are part of a spreading wave crossing the country  ??? 
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 02 May, 2020, 05:19:45 pm
Our next brief over here in the UK on what the Government is going to do is the 7th of May, up until that point we still are in lockdown.

Have you set a date at which you'd be postponing/cancelling if the lockdown hasn't been lifted by then? I'm in a similar position re flights and it'd be good to know how last minute a last minute booking would have to be.
O have no inside knowledge, but if we haven't had an announcement by 1st of June about 200km events restarting, I would suggest that would make this extremely unlikely.

Agree with the statement about the event being forced to stop is someone comes down ill on the event. Wonder if it would be feasible for everyone to be tested prior to starting. On the assumption that test capacity is up and cases should be down by then.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andrew097 on 03 May, 2020, 07:24:45 am
just out of curiosity has any one received the April email update ? Thank you in advance
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Colinf on 03 May, 2020, 08:06:28 am
just out of curiosity has any one received the April email update ? Thank you in advance

No email for April, it must be a nightmare for the organiser after all the work that has gone on behind the scenes, i would imagine a fair amount of money has been paid out too !! 
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 03 May, 2020, 10:51:41 am
just out of curiosity has any one received the April email update ? Thank you in advance

No email for April, it must be a nightmare for the organiser after all the work that has gone on behind the scenes, i would imagine a fair amount of money has been paid out too !!
I'm hoping the event will be postponed rather than cancelled,  so all planning will still be useful,  with just dates to change.  Getting a refund for this is not especially concerning to me.  The organiser should not end up out of pocket at all.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 03 May, 2020, 11:28:10 pm
50/50 over LEJOG at the moment. I haven't issued an April update as there's not much to report.

AUKs suspension of all events was extended indefinitely (as expected) at their latest board meeting last month.

I've been keeping an eye on developments and I see that the government are likely to start lifting restrictions later this month.

Logistically, the event is still ready to run in late July however, even if restrictions are lifted sometime during late May/June/July and AUK events resume considering the large number of events cancelled during the Spring I doubt whether many of the riders would be in condition anyway (both physically and mentally).

I'm already considering a rerun of the event in July 2021.

I've noticed that the Deloitte edition due to take place in September has been cancelled so that's not a good omen.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 04 May, 2020, 07:38:40 am
The biggest lockdown2.0 stumbling blocks are likely public transport and overnight sleeping and feeding arrangements. Moving the overnight stops to a campsite/field would be one workaround but would mean more luggage shifting.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 04 May, 2020, 09:56:39 am
50/50 over LEJOG at the moment. I haven't issued an April update as there's not much to report.

Thanks for the update Andy.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 04 May, 2020, 10:14:38 am
50/50 over LEJOG at the moment. I haven't issued an April update as there's not much to report.

AUKs suspension of all events was extended indefinitely (as expected) at their latest board meeting last month.

I've been keeping an eye on developments and I see that the government are likely to start lifting restrictions later this month.

Logistically, the event is still ready to run in late July however, even if restrictions are lifted sometime during late May/June/July and AUK events resume considering the large number of events cancelled during the Spring I doubt whether many of the riders would be in condition anyway (both physically and mentally).

I'm already considering a rerun of the event in July 2021.

I've noticed that the Deloitte edition due to take place in September has been cancelled so that's not a good omen.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400
Thanks Andy, we still hope it goes ahead, optimistic I know, but we live in hope.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 05 May, 2020, 07:50:31 pm
Thanks for the update, Andy.  I would be coming from the US.  At the moment, flights seem to be available.  I am ready to pull the trigger on a flight if you decide to go ahead.

Bill Watts


50/50 over LEJOG at the moment. I haven't issued an April update as there's not much to report.

AUKs suspension of all events was extended indefinitely (as expected) at their latest board meeting last month.

I've been keeping an eye on developments and I see that the government are likely to start lifting restrictions later this month.

Logistically, the event is still ready to run in late July however, even if restrictions are lifted sometime during late May/June/July and AUK events resume considering the large number of events cancelled during the Spring I doubt whether many of the riders would be in condition anyway (both physically and mentally).

I'm already considering a rerun of the event in July 2021.

I've noticed that the Deloitte edition due to take place in September has been cancelled so that's not a good omen.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 10 May, 2020, 08:01:04 pm
Does anyone know what the Audax Board proclaimed at their May meeting?

Bill Watts
USA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 11 May, 2020, 07:35:14 am
If you are coming from the USA you will need to factor in a 14 day quarantine period on arrival in the U.K.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 11 May, 2020, 08:11:59 pm
If you are coming from the USA you will need to factor in a 14 day quarantine period on arrival in the U.K.


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Very true.  And that requirement, if it were in force at the time of the ride, would probably make participaption in impractical for me.  But before I begin to think about those logistics, it would be helpful to know what the Audax board has decreed.

Bill Watts
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Greenbank on 11 May, 2020, 08:18:13 pm
Also, at the moment LEJOG can't go ahead as the event isn't compatible with the current travel/cycling restrictions in both Wales and Scotland. Those will likely change by late July but there's much less of a chance of the air travel quarantine being lifted by then.
Title: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 18 May, 2020, 03:23:32 pm
Also, at the moment LEJOG can't go ahead as the event isn't compatible with the current travel/cycling restrictions in both Wales and Scotland. Those will likely change by late July but there's much less of a chance of the air travel quarantine being lifted by then.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 18 May, 2020, 03:24:46 pm
If you are coming from the USA you will need to factor in a 14 day quarantine period on arrival in the U.K.


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Very true.  And that requirement, if it were in force at the time of the ride, would probably make participaption in impractical for me.  But before I begin to think about those logistics, it would be helpful to know what the Audax board has decreed.

Bill Watts
https://audax.uk/


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Kevlar1965 on 19 May, 2020, 10:32:29 am
For me the biggest issue is a lack of preparation. All North of Scotland Audax events cancelled in the run up, restrictions currently still on meaning lack of miles under the belt. Certainly won't be in any physical shape for the challenge, with that comes injury risk, poor decision making when fatigued etc etc. Add to that my Aberdeen-Newquay flight is about to be cancelled  ::-)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 19 May, 2020, 10:53:46 am
For me the biggest issue is a lack of preparation. All North of Scotland Audax events cancelled in the run up, restrictions currently still on meaning lack of miles under the belt. Certainly won't be in any physical shape for the challenge, with that comes injury risk, poor decision making when fatigued etc etc. Add to that my Aberdeen-Newquay flight is about to be cancelled  ::-)
Just ride to the start building up mikes over the days, solves both problems ;D

But seriously if we aren't riding audax distance by mid june it will be very hard to be at the required fitness level in late July. I've done a couple of 100 mile local rides recently with the camelback, and they were quite tough. I could do 200km, don't think I could do multiple days of 300+
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: davocon on 19 May, 2020, 11:35:10 am
For me the biggest issue is a lack of preparation. All North of Scotland Audax events cancelled in the run up, restrictions currently still on meaning lack of miles under the belt. Certainly won't be in any physical shape for the challenge, with that comes injury risk, poor decision making when fatigued etc etc. Add to that my Aberdeen-Newquay flight is about to be cancelled  ::-)

This is my biggest fear - if it does run I'm going to want to do it, and that will be a poor decision based on the lack of building up through the Audax distances in the run up. I've been keeping fit on the turbo, but this is no substitute for long miles in the legs and the building up the confidence mentally from riding through nights.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 19 May, 2020, 02:28:24 pm
For me the biggest issue is a lack of preparation. All North of Scotland Audax events cancelled in the run up, restrictions currently still on meaning lack of miles under the belt. Certainly won't be in any physical shape for the challenge, with that comes injury risk, poor decision making when fatigued etc etc. Add to that my Aberdeen-Newquay flight is about to be cancelled  ::-)

This is my biggest fear - if it does run I'm going to want to do it, and that will be a poor decision based on the lack of building up through the Audax distances in the run up. I've been keeping fit on the turbo, but this is no substitute for long miles in the legs and the building up the confidence mentally from riding through nights.
I'm more worried about starting but not being able to finish due to outbreak on the ride or restrictions changing after setting off.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 19 May, 2020, 02:53:40 pm
For me the biggest issue is a lack of preparation. All North of Scotland Audax events cancelled in the run up, restrictions currently still on meaning lack of miles under the belt. Certainly won't be in any physical shape for the challenge, with that comes injury risk, poor decision making when fatigued etc etc. Add to that my Aberdeen-Newquay flight is about to be cancelled  ::-)

This is my biggest fear - if it does run I'm going to want to do it, and that will be a poor decision based on the lack of building up through the Audax distances in the run up. I've been keeping fit on the turbo, but this is no substitute for long miles in the legs and the building up the confidence mentally from riding through nights.
I'm more worried about starting but not being able to finish due to outbreak on the ride or restrictions changing after setting off.
That is a valid concern as it’s out of ones hands and is possible, but so are a lot of unrelated things that might happen during the event. As for fitness levels, for those that have years/miles in their legs, endurance doesn’t drop off as soon as you think, and can be ‘refreshed’ relatively easy. This is LSD Aerobic work, not top end speed, which does drop off quickly. We’ve entered on our Tandem, been hovering around the 70-90 mile range for weekend rides. Weights sessions in the week with some Zwift sessions thrown in. Last weekend was 200k due to easing of restrictions, this week 300k and so on with a couple of double days thrown in between now and the intended event. Admittedly we’ve not done as much as we would have liked, but have been riding with intent when possible. Some riders I know have not been out for 10weeks, if that was me I’d also have reservations. As it stands, I’m glass half full, and hope it somehow goes ahead.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 19 May, 2020, 03:51:42 pm
If it doesn't, but Audax UK have reintroduced Permanents in a suitable timescale, then an excellent port of call (so to speak) is @Hummers who is the organiser of the End-to-end permanents.
https://markhbdm.wixsite.com/end2end#!br/c1nwd
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/mh01/
or more civilised:
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/mh02/
And enjoy the tale here:
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=76263.0
https://www.landsendholidays.co.uk/ - less than a mile from the 'start'.
This is my draft of the possible route that Andy might choose, passing through the control points he's revealed or I've guessed:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: j.bob on 20 May, 2020, 10:38:57 pm
With everyone's training down the pan, with lack of events running up to LeJOG & lockdown hurting plans for big rides, as well as mental effects etc. Perhaps best to postpone this event until next year.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andrew097 on 23 May, 2020, 03:47:51 pm
 ::-) ~My accommodation in the last week or two have cancelled my bookings, both at the start and finish due to advice of the government  etc etc.
 Has anyone else suffered this set back recently?
Regards
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 23 May, 2020, 05:44:36 pm
::-) ~My accommodation in the last week or two have cancelled my bookings, both at the start and finish due to advice of the government  etc etc.
 Has anyone else suffered this set back recently?
Regards
A
Nope, ours is fine still


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 23 May, 2020, 05:45:11 pm
::-) ~My accommodation in the last week or two have cancelled my bookings, both at the start and finish due to advice of the government  etc etc.
 Has anyone else suffered this set back recently?
Regards
A
Nope, ours is fine still


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What government advice?


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 May, 2020, 06:00:33 pm
The bit that says don't spend the night away from home presumably.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 23 May, 2020, 06:03:12 pm
The bit that says don't spend the night away from home presumably.
That’s current, we don’t know it still will be end of July, presume that’s why Andy has not cancelled yet.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 May, 2020, 06:25:13 pm
The bit that says don't spend the night away from home presumably.
That’s current, we don’t know it still will be end of July, presume that’s why Andy has not cancelled yet.


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True, but the end of July is only 9 weeks away;
Assuming Scotland goes to Phase 1 on the 28th, the earliest we are likely to go to Phase 2 is the 18th of June, and so the earliest for Phase 3 would be 9th July.
At that point hotels can open, but it's unlikely to be quite that quick. End of July to Mid-August is roughly when many of us are predicting it.
What's more physical distancing remains, that still means the current restrictions on food serving are likely to remain in place.
It's likely most accommodation providers in Scotland are looking at it and realizing it wont be worth the effort unless they have self-catering kitchens in every room.
Hostels with shared rooms are almost certainly going to find it impossible to reopen too.

Even in the plans for Phase 4 travel and accommodation will still be full of problems.
It's rather wooly about relaxations being on scientific advice, which really just means there's no hope of setting out the road map any further.
But the starting point retains physical distancing, so still no hostel style accommodation.

We're all reckoning that will be reached some point next spring...
Bit annoying as I somehow need to use up at least 28 out of 41 days leave with not much to do in it.


As for that Cornish hotel, they've probably looked at the van trippers invading and had a "fuck this" moment and decided they can't promote tourism this summer.


The other possibilities of course are that they've gone bankrupt.


And... there's not going to be any international tourists for a long time, and that was one of Andy's other problems running it.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 23 May, 2020, 06:33:22 pm
The bit that says don't spend the night away from home presumably.
That’s current, we don’t know it still will be end of July, presume that’s why Andy has not cancelled yet.


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True, but the end of July is only 9 weeks away;
Assuming Scotland goes to Phase 1 on the 28th, the earliest we are likely to go to Phase 2 is the 18th of June, and so the earliest for Phase 3 would be 9th July.
At that point hotels can open, but it's unlikely to be quite that quick. End of July to Mid-August is roughly when many of us are predicting it.
What's more physical distancing remains, that still means the current restrictions on food serving are likely to remain in place.
It's likely most accommodation providers in Scotland are looking at it and realizing it wont be worth the effort unless they have self-catering kitchens in every room.
Hostels with shared rooms are almost certainly going to find it impossible to reopen too.

Even in the plans for Phase 4 travel and accommodation will still be full of problems.
It's rather wooly about relaxations being on scientific advice, which really just means there's no hope of setting out the road map any further.
But the starting point retains physical distancing, so still no hostel style accommodation.

We're all reckoning that will be reached some point next spring...
Bit annoying as I somehow need to use up at least 28 out of 41 days leave with not much to do in it.


As for that Cornish hotel, they've probably looked at the van trippers invading and had a "fuck this" moment and decided they can't promote tourism this summer.


The other possibilities of course are that they've gone bankrupt.


And... there's not going to be any international tourists for a long time, and that was one of Andy's other problems running it.
So camping it is then.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 23 May, 2020, 06:53:09 pm
Assumptions, as I said, we just don’t know. No one does. We’re all booked in and have leave booked where required. So let’s stay positive and wait to see.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 23 May, 2020, 10:24:16 pm
::-) ~My accommodation in the last week or two have cancelled my bookings, both at the start and finish due to advice of the government  etc etc.
 Has anyone else suffered this set back recently?
Regards
A
I havent had anything yet. Currently expecting cancellation nearer the time, maybe 3 or 4 weeks before the planned date.

It's hard to see the rules in Scotland being compatible with the event in only 2 months, judging by past performance.

I see they are still expecting to run borders of Belgium in September,  and the event Jersey is great. Of course Belgium may not be keen on a load of high risk British cyclists arriving.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: AndrewLarkins on 23 May, 2020, 10:51:13 pm
::-) ~My accommodation in the last week or two have cancelled my bookings, both at the start and finish due to advice of the government  etc etc.
 Has anyone else suffered this set back recently?
Regards
A

I was booked on the sleeper train back. Yesterday I was notified that the service has been cancelled. I am sure this will also impact others.
On a more positive note I managed 240 miles in a day on rollers as a recent charity ride so my fitness is not too bad.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 May, 2020, 11:06:42 pm
I see they are still expecting to run borders of Belgium in September,  and the event Jersey is great. Of course Belgium may not be keen on a load of high risk British cyclists arriving.

Considering the UK's quarantine is likely going to last well into "Phase 4" level of restrictions I don't see me being able to go, given I'll be stuck at home for 2 weeks on return.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 May, 2020, 11:11:35 pm
Expect you might also need a fortnight’s quarantine in Belgium before you can start riding.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 23 May, 2020, 11:14:41 pm
Expect you might also need a fortnight’s quarantine in Belgium before you can start riding.

Just had a look at the Ranndoneurs.be and BoB websites and see no mention on what the situation is with running things beyond their Strava based DIY system.

Admittedly my Dutch isn't great and French is non-existent so I might have missed something.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 23 May, 2020, 11:27:19 pm
“Travelers arriving to Belgium from abroad must stay home for 14 days after returning from travel, monitor their health, and practice social distancing.”

From https://be.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

Seems to be confirmed in https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/faq/#006

I expect Belgium’s Schengen area international travel restrictions will be relaxed before travel restrictions from the UK.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 24 May, 2020, 04:05:06 pm
I do not understand why this event has not been cancelled.

1. The travel and social distancing restrictions are unlikely to have been lifted.
2. The sleeping arrangements will struggle to allow social distancing.
3. Showers and washing areas are a particular problem as they will need to be cleaned between uses. This is what my work could not manage so until further notice the showers at my work are closed.
4. The travel people have booked has started to be cancelled. LE and JoG are both hard to get to and require transport networks to be operating.
5. People from abroad may be subject to quarantine when entering and leaving the UK.
6. Cafes and pubs are a mainstay of feeding on these type of long rides. They will be unlikely to be open for the event.

I have ridden LEJOG twice and once in the AUDAX standard. It is unpredictable, arrival and leaving times will be hard to predict. If you really want to do LEJOG this year then I would opt for a solo ride. From the outside it feels like trying to organise this in the year we are having is a fool errand.

BB
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 24 May, 2020, 05:26:36 pm
“Travelers arriving to Belgium from abroad must stay home for 14 days after returning from travel, monitor their health, and practice social distancing.”

From https://be.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

Seems to be confirmed in https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/faq/#006

I expect Belgium’s Schengen area international travel restrictions will be relaxed before travel restrictions from the UK.

I was meaning in relation to BoB running or not, rather than whether belgium has a 14 day quarantine or not. The later was easy enough to find written in English.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jon+1bike on 24 May, 2020, 06:01:05 pm
 I feel that Bianchi Boy, has valid points, although I am very keen to ride; my B&B has been cancelled & cannot be re-booked. If train fares could be booked, it doesn’t seem possible, for cyclists in numbers to travel  within restrictions.
What locals would think of cyclists, not to mention Audax, in each place we stop or congregate, can only be negative, possibly hostile.
Furthermore, with social distances of two metres, along with queuing, how much time would be added to each Co-Op/Spar stop, multiplied by controls doing the same, to an average rider each day?
I truly wish a July LEJOG would be realistic, but I have strong doubts! I respectfully think, a decision must be made ASAP.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 24 May, 2020, 07:46:05 pm
I feel that Bianchi Boy, has valid points, although I am very keen to ride; my B&B has been cancelled & cannot be re-booked. If train fares could be booked, it doesn’t seem possible, for cyclists in numbers to travel  within restrictions.
What locals would think of cyclists, not to mention Audax, in each place we stop or congregate, can only be negative, possibly hostile.
Furthermore, with social distances of two metres, along with queuing, how much time would be added to each Co-Op/Spar stop, multiplied by controls doing the same, to an average rider each day?
I truly wish a July LEJOG would be realistic, but I have strong doubts! I respectfully think, a decision must be made ASAP.
If you are really keen on doing this solo is a very practical option if all the facilities are open. I stopped mainly in Travel Lodges as they have 24 hour reception (currently only open for key staff) so unless you are prepared to bivi the whole way up accommodation will be a struggle. I did have to bail on the second last day before Inverness because of a block head wind down the great glen. In the morning the wind had stopped but the rain was heavy all the way to Tain.

I sincerely hope things improve rapidly and the event can run, but my head tells me this is highly unlikely.

I have 4 DIY perms ready to go so I can get an SR if restrictions allow. I can hunker down for one night on the 600 in a shop doorway.

BB
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 25 May, 2020, 10:38:46 am
If you are really keen on doing this solo is a very practical option if all the facilities are open. I stopped mainly in Travel Lodges as they have 24 hour reception (currently only open for key staff) so unless you are prepared to bivi the whole way up accommodation will be a struggle.
BB
If Audax UK have reintroduced Permanents in a suitable timescale (I sincerely hope so), then End-to-end permanents:
https://markhbdm.wixsite.com/end2end#!br/c1nwd
http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/mh01/
By end July Travelodges and the like will surely be open for business, and so will shops and the like all along the route, even Scotland.
This is my draft of a possible route with 290km average days and control points:
[To follow - RidewithGPS seems 'down'.]Edited: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/32758483?beta=false
Travelodges at Weston-super-Mare (305k), Warrington (603k), Dumfries (852k), Fort William (1148k) - overall 1444k.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 25 May, 2020, 10:40:36 am
With everyone's training down the pan, with lack of events running up to LeJOG & lockdown hurting plans for big rides, as well as mental effects etc. Perhaps best to postpone this event until next year.

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 25 May, 2020, 10:42:28 am
With everyone's training down the pan, with lack of events running up to LeJOG & lockdown hurting plans for big rides, as well as mental effects etc. Perhaps best to postpone this event until next year.

Speak for yourself.
Second that!


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: oggy on 26 May, 2020, 06:21:13 pm
With everyone's training down the pan, with lack of events running up to LeJOG & lockdown hurting plans for big rides, as well as mental effects etc. Perhaps best to postpone this event until next year.

Speak for yourself.
Second that!


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Perhaps we should consider the helpers who tend to be more at risk

personally i want to ride as much as the next rider but we also have to think of others
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 26 May, 2020, 06:43:49 pm
Perhaps we should consider the helpers who tend to be more at risk
personally i want to ride as much as the next rider but we also have to think of others
Helpers?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: crispyp on 26 May, 2020, 08:58:37 pm
New to this forum so hi to all!..........

I am really hoping this gets deferred until next year - presumably with all those who had paid up places for this year getting a guaranteed place then. I am a little worried though - if this event runs I will be in no position to ride, have been home schooling and attempting to work since this all started and am now moving house next week (were ready to move before lock down but it was put on hold until now.) Haven't so much as looked at my bike since March! I know everyone is in the same position - just wanted to vent! Hopefully a decision gets made soon, can see the frustration for the organiser. 
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: oggy on 27 May, 2020, 10:03:04 am
Perhaps we should consider the helpers who tend to be more at risk
personally i want to ride as much as the next rider but we also have to think of others
Helpers?

When events start some will run with helpers we can not discriminate events on basis we just want to do this one ride.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 27 May, 2020, 10:07:16 am
Perhaps we should consider the helpers who tend to be more at risk
personally i want to ride as much as the next rider but we also have to think of others
Helpers?

When events start some will run with helpers we can not discriminate events on basis we just want to do this one ride.
It may well be in”the new normal” no events will be able to have helpers.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 27 May, 2020, 12:40:34 pm
As someone who would be coming from the states, I think that I have to accept now that this ride will not happen for me.  At least not this year.  There is too much uncertainty to book international travel and make other arrangements, and the logistics of a two-week quarantine after arrival seem daunting, even for a randonneur.

As someone who also organizes rides in the states, and has had to deal with all of these uncertainties, I have followed this principle: Make the obvious decisions early, and save the more difficult ones for later.  I wonder if the LEJoG 1400 is not at the point where the obvious choice is either to cancel or to postpone to next year.  The logistics of such a ride are challenging under the best of circumstances, and if you add in all of the uncertainties, it is hard for me to see how this is workable for the organizers, for the volunteers, and for the great majority of the riders.

One good thing about this situation is that the entry fee was low, less than 150 pounds if I remember correctly.  For me, the much greater expense would have been in getting to the start, and getting home aftewards, so I am not going to quibble about the entry fee.  If the ride gets postponed, I hope that some part of what has been paid will apply to the rescheduled event, but I am prepared to consider this payment a small loss among far greater losses, on both a personal and a global scale.

Be well everyone,

Bill Watts
Indianapolis, Indiana USA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: oggy on 27 May, 2020, 12:46:59 pm
Perhaps we should consider the helpers who tend to be more at risk
personally i want to ride as much as the next rider but we also have to think of others
Helpers?

When events start some will run with helpers we can not discriminate events on basis we just want to do this one ride.
It may well be in”the new normal” no events will be able to have helpers.


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So you mean perms

But as Bill pointed out above calendar events take a lot of organising and long events even more so.

It is yet to be decided by AUK how they are going to restart rides so this discussion is rather mute util the fact are known, all we can do is plan and train with in the rules we find our selves in.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 27 May, 2020, 01:05:13 pm
There are X-rated calendar brevets with no helpers involved. So like perms but also not.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 27 May, 2020, 02:30:30 pm
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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 10 June, 2020, 04:05:54 pm
Scottish tourism sector to re open on 15th July

Interesting
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 11 June, 2020, 05:02:44 pm
Scottish tourism sector to re open on 15th July

Interesting

That's the 3 week review period between the expected move to Phase 2 and Phase 3.
Assuming we go to Phase 2 next Thursday.

I asked a bunkhouse what it means for shared dorms since physical distancing remains at that stage, and they don't know yet, but said they can open their luxury lodges.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 11 June, 2020, 06:10:45 pm
Scottish tourism sector to re open on 15th July

Interesting

That's the 3 week review period between the expected move to Phase 2 and Phase 3.
Assuming we go to Phase 2 next Thursday.

I asked a bunkhouse what it means for shared dorms since physical distancing remains at that stage, and they don't know yet, but said they can open their luxury lodges.
So is that the 15th July for the start of the review that will finish on the 5th August to see if facilities will open on 5th August?

And remember half the ride is in England.

BB
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 11 June, 2020, 06:26:45 pm
It is being reported the Scottish tourism minister is saying actually opening on 15th July.

It might be too short notice for the official lejog audax and auk,  but I think I am going to do it anyway, as long as it is legal to do so by then. Probably at a slower pace with more luggage.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 11 June, 2020, 06:35:15 pm
It is being reported the Scottish tourism minister is saying actually opening on 15th July.

It might be too short notice for the official lejog audax and auk,  but I think I am going to do it anyway, as long as it is legal to do so by then. Probably at a slower pace with more luggage.


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They are proposing the 15th for reopening hospitality, this gives operators time to prepare. Although it is subject to review in line with the number of new cases.

And I can’t see Scotland being ahead of England on this move, so I expect similar here soon too. Plus there is pressure to reduce the 2m distance, as hospitality can’t really operate on that format.

A step towards the event running as far as I’m concerned.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 13 June, 2020, 04:12:00 pm
Scottish tourism sector to re open on 15th July

Interesting

That's the 3 week review period between the expected move to Phase 2 and Phase 3.
Assuming we go to Phase 2 next Thursday.

I asked a bunkhouse what it means for shared dorms since physical distancing remains at that stage, and they don't know yet, but said they can open their luxury lodges.
So is that the 15th July for the start of the review that will finish on the 5th August to see if facilities will open on 5th August?

And remember half the ride is in England.

BB

The reviews take place with a decision made on the Thursday for making changes from the Friday; it's in the UK level act...
So assuming no regression in reduction of rate during Phase 2 (which we expect from Friday coming) then Phase 3 roadmap guidance starts from the 15th of July.
If everything goes backwards or public services say they can't get into an appropriate state, then erm naw.

They are proposing the 15th for reopening hospitality, this gives operators time to prepare. Although it is subject to review in line with the number of new cases.

And I can’t see Scotland being ahead of England on this move, so I expect similar here soon too. Plus there is pressure to reduce the 2m distance, as hospitality can’t really operate on that format.

A step towards the event running as far as I’m concerned.

Based on the R0 estimates published yesterday, the only reason for for Scotlands release of lockdown being behind England's is political acceptance of virus spread and associated death levels... (but this is obviously for the politics section thread)

There's also no guarantee that cross-border or inter-regional travel won't be restricted as part of it.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: wwatts on 15 June, 2020, 02:33:23 am
I'm virtually certain that I will not be able to do this ride because of the two-week quarentine requirment currently in place in the UK for international travelers.  I do, howeer, keep my eye on the status of the ride, and, I must say that I find it odd that there has not been any accouncement about the status of the ride.  It's only six weeks out now.  I would think that the logistics and complexities of puttinng on a ride like this woud have required a decision by now.

Bill Watts
USA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bianchi Boy on 15 June, 2020, 09:34:59 am
I'm virtually certain that I will not be able to do this ride because of the two-week quarentine requirment currently in place in the UK for international travelers.  I do, howeer, keep my eye on the status of the ride, and, I must say that I find it odd that there has not been any accouncement about the status of the ride.  It's only six weeks out now.  I would think that the logistics and complexities of puttinng on a ride like this woud have required a decision by now.

Bill Watts
USA
Nothing is certain. Even if non-essential travel will be allowed. US corvid cases not leveling out like expected. Looks like it will be a long summer of Trump tweets  ::-)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 17 June, 2020, 11:34:43 pm
If the LEJOG is going to go ahead this year in the final week of July as planned it requires 2 things to happen: AUK lifting the restrictions on event validation and the relaxing of the social distancing measures. Neither is likely to happen before mid-July 2020. The next government announcement is likely to be in the evening of Friday 03 July so I'm prepared to wait until then. The statement issued by the UK Prime Minister recently has raised more questions than answers and no-body really knows what's going to happen as we head into the Summer/Autumn.

Logistically, the event is still ready to run in late July however, as I said previously even if restrictions are lifted sometime during June/July and AUK events resume considering the large number of events cancelled during the Spring I doubt whether many of the riders would be in condition anyway (both physically and mentally).

Whether or not there's a LEJOG this year (and it's looking very unlikely) everybody who's entered is automatically being transferred to the 2021 edition.

18-22 July 2021 has already been listed for the rerun of the event. All entrants will be emailed sometime during the next few days.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 18 June, 2020, 01:05:45 am
Thanks for the update Andy.

Audax UK have just announced August for perms and DIYs up to 200k. My guess is calendar events of any distance are still out for the foreseeable.

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 18 June, 2020, 08:09:25 am
Thanks for the update Andy.

Audax UK have just announced August for perms and DIYs up to 200k. My guess is calendar events of any distance are still out for the foreseeable.
And certainly not going to restart before perms,  so there is certainty that this event cannot happen
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 18 June, 2020, 08:34:53 am
Thanks for the update Andy.

Audax UK have just announced August for perms and DIYs up to 200k. My guess is calendar events of any distance are still out for the foreseeable.
And certainly not going to restart before perms,  so there is certainty that this event cannot happen
It will be ironic if the first minister announces today that Scotland opening for tourism on the 15th just as auk says no. Being stubborn I am probably, if legal to do so, stick to the original dates as a solo ride. I could of course postpone slightly in order to submit 10 consecutive 200km DIYs for comedy value.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 18 June, 2020, 08:44:44 am
Thanks for the update Andy.

Audax UK have just announced August for perms and DIYs up to 200k. My guess is calendar events of any distance are still out for the foreseeable.
And certainly not going to restart before perms,  so there is certainty that this event cannot happen
It will be ironic if the first minister announces today that Scotland opening for tourism on the 15th just as auk says no. Being stubborn I am probably, if legal to do so, stick to the original dates as a solo ride. I could of course postpone slightly in order to submit 10 consecutive 200km DIYs for comedy value.


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It only needs 7 consecutive 200s
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 18 June, 2020, 08:47:27 am
Thanks for the update Andy.

Audax UK have just announced August for perms and DIYs up to 200k. My guess is calendar events of any distance are still out for the foreseeable.
And certainly not going to restart before perms,  so there is certainty that this event cannot happen
It will be ironic if the first minister announces today that Scotland opening for tourism on the 15th just as auk says no. Being stubborn I am probably, if legal to do so, stick to the original dates as a solo ride. I could of course postpone slightly in order to submit 10 consecutive 200km DIYs for comedy value.


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It only needs 7 consecutive 200s
I was including travel to the start.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Jon+1bike on 18 June, 2020, 12:14:27 pm
 ??? A number queries....
IF no LEJOG 2020.. Automatically transferred to 2021. What date? (July 27th?)
 As LEL is 8-13th August 2021[/b] .... 
What if you planned to do LEL..?
What if you don’t want a transfer to 2021?
Will there be a refund on LEJOG?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 18 June, 2020, 12:19:15 pm
??? A number queries....
IF no LEJOG 2020.. Automatically transferred to 2021. What date? (July 27th?)
 As LEL is 8-13th August 2021[/b] .... 
What if you planned to do LEL..?
What if you don’t want a transfer to 2021?
Will there be a refund on LEJOG?

''18-22 July 2021 has already been listed for the rerun of the event''
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 18 June, 2020, 02:23:03 pm
It will be ironic if the first minister announces today that Scotland opening for tourism on the 15th just as auk says no. Being stubborn I am probably, if legal to do so, stick to the original dates as a solo ride. I could of course postpone slightly in order to submit 10 consecutive 200km DIYs for comedy value.

I'd miscounted previously, the switch to "phase 3" should be announced on the 9th of July.
This is not the first time I've been eagerly awaiting something called "phase 3" from the Scottish Government and its agencies...
(it was the working title for a project that I was due to move onto)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 18 June, 2020, 07:16:23 pm
??? A number queries....
IF no LEJOG 2020.. Automatically transferred to 2021. What date? (July 27th?)
 As LEL is 8-13th August 2021[/b] .... 
What if you planned to do LEL..?
What if you don’t want a transfer to 2021?
Will there be a refund on LEJOG?

I'm an ICU nurse and at the start of the crisis (slightly before our idiot PM got on with it and he can stuff his Thursdays clap) I emailed Andy regards cancellation/refund. There was no response then and since this last update I've emailed again. I'm gonna assume he's either too busy to answer our queries or is of the opinion that the rules at entry (ie. No refunds) were final and its not something he'd like to discuss at all. Not even a tiny message back.

Hopefully I'm wrong and he will give the option of a refund for those that are unable to make the event date either this or next year. But from the looks of it and the fact he's a hard man to get hold of (as well as a very hard man apparently) and there's nowhere really to direct any questions or concerns, I'd not really hold out any hope of a refund and you're probably better off counting your losses.

Hope that helps at all and with any luck he might see your message and offer alternatives/refunds (even if they are partial refunds which would make sense as he's probably sent a certain amount during planning!). Personally I've seen enough death or near-death patients that I've lost the desire to attempt any sort of LeJOG any time soon. Will be just riding locally (ie. In England) and as soon as things looks suitable I'll be making my epic (epic for me, not for many on here) 230 miler to London with some nice climbing in between.

Thats just my 2 pence... hope it helps. Andy, if you do end up reading this, no offence mate. Totally understand there's always 2 sides to a coin and can imagine your dilemmas that we might not know of. Take care. Shafiq (Shafiq.staffnurse@gmail.com in case you wonder when I emailed ya)  :)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 21 June, 2020, 10:23:34 am
Andy tends not to reply to emails and often issues information at the last moment.

A few years ago, I mistakenly entered HK in one of his long brevets that clashed with a long French brevet that we’d already booked. Despite emailing Andy asking to withdraw HK’s entry (noting that he had no requirement to do so) within an hour of entering his event, no response at all. AUK policy is no refunds and so we wrote off a fairly large entry fee (in AUK terms) without quibbling. Such is life!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: 3peaker on 21 June, 2020, 11:07:19 am
I am still holding entries for my ‘suspended’ Cheltenham Flyer event from 21 March. I am holding a draft letter to all riders regarding “late autumn run/ transfer to 2021 event/ refund/ donate to charity”. The cash is in my PP account and I had minimal costs as no VH charges. Just waiting for definitive on Calendars for season 19/20.

In the meantime, I am planning a JoGLE of my own as a leisurely N-S tour, although I had hoped and had planning for a 7x200. Just a matter of cycling to JoG which I intend to do by a (40yrs later) re-run of the National 3 Peaks by Bike Caernarvon<>Ft William. Might just extend it to a 4Corners, picking up a couple DIY 200s along the S coast in August.

Just need to be prepared to “take an Audax break” and think about other ways to enjoy cycling. As a senior, every year is a bonus and not to be wasted.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 21 June, 2020, 12:24:41 pm
3 peaks by bike - added to the todo list

Once the Boris bridge to NI is opened there will be a whole new range of rides to consider.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 26 June, 2020, 07:27:35 pm
Well despite Andy saying no more on here, his website says it’s postponed till 2021. We won’t be doing it then, have other things planned. So as we have time booked off work, accom and transport sorted, we’re still going ahead ourselves, as it appears it will be legal to do so. We’ll leave LE on 25th, giving us a day extra to do it in, basically 7x 200k.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 26 June, 2020, 09:23:50 pm
Well despite Andy saying no more on here, his website says it’s postponed till 2021. We won’t be doing it then, have other things planned. So as we have time booked off work, accom and transport sorted, we’re still going ahead ourselves, as it appears it will be legal to do so. We’ll leave LE on 25th, giving us a day extra to do it in, basically 7x 200k.


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Andy did send out an email.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 26 June, 2020, 09:26:49 pm
Well despite Andy saying no more on here, his website says it’s postponed till 2021. We won’t be doing it then, have other things planned. So as we have time booked off work, accom and transport sorted, we’re still going ahead ourselves, as it appears it will be legal to do so. We’ll leave LE on 25th, giving us a day extra to do it in, basically 7x 200k.


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Andy did send out an email.
When was that?


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LMT on 26 June, 2020, 09:32:12 pm
Two days ago
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 26 June, 2020, 09:36:25 pm
Neither my wife or me have had that, we’ve both entered?

Are we the only ones that have missed it or not received it, it’s not like we have not been checking/waiting.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bus Shelter Bertie on 26 June, 2020, 09:45:50 pm
Neither my wife or me have had that, we’ve both entered?

Are we the only ones that have missed it or not received it, it’s not like we have not been checking/waiting.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: bgilliver on 26 June, 2020, 09:54:21 pm
Me neither. Checked my junk mail too as I did previously have issues.

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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: davocon on 26 June, 2020, 10:38:08 pm
Nor me. Checked junk.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 26 June, 2020, 11:45:23 pm
Hello all,

Obviously, you'll all by now have received the latest instructions from the AUK board that AUK events of any kind won't be resuming before 01 August 2020. As a consequence, we all now have to accept that there'll be no LEJOG AUDAX this year and the event has been postponed until 2021. In all honesty it seems that it was only a matter of time. This is a great shame as I was really looking forward to it. All entrants are in the process of being emailed so if you haven't got yours yet it will be with you within the next couple of days or so. 18-22 July 2021 has been provisionally set for the 2021 edition.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: simonp on 27 June, 2020, 02:25:00 am
Thanks again Andy.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: davocon on 27 June, 2020, 09:49:31 am
Thanks for the update Andy.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 27 June, 2020, 11:34:28 am
Hello all,

Obviously, you'll all by now have received the latest instructions from the AUK board that AUK events of any kind won't be resuming before 01 August 2020. As a consequence, we all now have to accept that there'll be no LEJOG AUDAX this year and the event has been postponed until 2021. In all honesty it seems that it was only a matter of time. This is a great shame as I was really looking forward to it. All entrants are in the process of being emailed so if you haven't got yours yet it will be with you within the next couple of days or so. 18-22 July 2021 has been provisionally set for the 2021 edition.

Andy Corless

Sorry for being a pain Andy. What if anyone isn't able to make the new date for 2021?? I don't think I'll be able to rearrange time off work for one and possibly many others lile that. Do we just lose all the 2020 entry fee. Thanks again
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Tomsk on 27 June, 2020, 05:25:19 pm
As I understand it, AUK has waived the no refunds rule for the duration and is prepared to underwrite any organiser's losses too, so all should be well. All dissapointed entrants to my ACME events so far have received refunds, unless places on the 2021 editions have been requested.

If it's confirmed no permanent events longer than 200km, or any calendar rides can happen this season, then the ACME Grand will have to be cancelled too. We'll see whether the Richard Ellis 200 & 100km in the new season as well as the ACME Winter Series are viable ...
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 June, 2020, 06:05:37 pm
Gutted for you, Andy, reflecting on all your organisation. And disappointed for all those for whom this was going to be an epic (hard) end-to-end.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Xander on 29 June, 2020, 06:01:35 pm
Dear Andy,

I don't receive messages from AUDAX UK, because I'm not a member as a Dutchie. I hope to receive your e-mail soon.

Kind Regards,

Xander.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: composite on 30 June, 2020, 12:28:49 am
Still haven't received my email yet either.

Some information on what the deal is with refunds if we can't make it to the rescheduled event would be appreciated.   
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: JonJon on 30 June, 2020, 01:54:38 pm
Thanks for all the effort you have put into this - see you in 2021!


Hello all,

Obviously, you'll all by now have received the latest instructions from the AUK board that AUK events of any kind won't be resuming before 01 August 2020. As a consequence, we all now have to accept that there'll be no LEJOG AUDAX this year and the event has been postponed until 2021. In all honesty it seems that it was only a matter of time. This is a great shame as I was really looking forward to it. All entrants are in the process of being emailed so if you haven't got yours yet it will be with you within the next couple of days or so. 18-22 July 2021 has been provisionally set for the 2021 edition.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: slugbait on 30 June, 2020, 06:03:14 pm
Dear Andy,

I don't receive messages from AUDAX UK, because I'm not a member as a Dutchie. I hope to receive your e-mail soon.

Kind Regards,

Xander.

Hi Xander, as Dutchie you can still join Audax UK. It's a bargain! And Dutchies (like myself) really appreciate a bargain ;-)

(And I guess Andy will eventually send an e-mail to all those who entered.)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 30 June, 2020, 11:27:03 pm
Some of the emails have gone out but we do seem to be having a problem getting some of them out but for information purposes, below is a text of the email being sent to all entrants:

"Hello all,

Obviously, you'll all by now have received the latest instructions from the AUK board that AUK events of any kind won't be resuming before 01 August 2020. As a consequence, we all now have to accept that there'll be no LEJOG AUDAX this year and I've not really much option other than to postpone the event until 2021. I'm also planning on running the event in 2022. In all honesty it seems that it was only a matter of time. This is a great shame as I was really looking forward to it and I know a lot of you will also be disappointed as many of you have been training exceptionally hard however, we also have to accept that these are exceptional circumstances totally beyond our control and none of which could possibly have been foreseen when the event was first created. I'm particularly concerned for our overseas riders who might have incurred a heavy financial burden whilst arranging flights etc and might have had to self-isolate following arrival in the UK. Fortunately, many of the international airline carriers are offering credits/refunds etc.

I'm hoping, with everyone's cooperation, that all of you will be able to make either the 2021/2022 edition and the dates for 2021 have been provisionally set for 18-23 July 2021. This might seem unusual but with thousands of pounds already spent on the LEJOG event I don't want the event left in a negative financial situation, particularly as the circumstances are exceptional and couldn't have been forseen.

I'll be emailing again in a couple of weeks time with further news. I'm sorry it's turned out like this for everybody this year but the circumstances are obviously exceptional and completely out of everybody's control. I was hoping that the situation would improve throughout the Spring in time for the LEJOG to go ahead as planned in late July but it isn't to be this time.

I hope that you and your families stay safe and do take care for now in these difficult times for what has been a miserable season for seasoned randonneurs.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX
"

Adding to that, considering that with all the AUK Spring events cancelled I doubt whether most riders would have been in condition anyway.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 09 July, 2020, 03:28:47 pm
Thanks again to Andy for the efforts he has made. I still intend to have a go as a solo ride this year (before repeating in 2021 or 2022 officially)  It has been officially announced today that phase 3 is underway in Scotland and that hotels are open for tourism for the 15th. Hotels do seem particularly cheap ... my travelodge/premier Inn bookings average less than £30.


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 09 July, 2020, 05:01:14 pm
Thanks again to Andy for the efforts he has made. I still intend to have a go as a solo ride this year (before repeating in 2021 or 2022 officially)  It has been officially announced today that phase 3 is underway in Scotland and that hotels are open for tourism for the 15th. Hotels do seem particularly cheap ... my travelodge/premier Inn bookings average less than £30.


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Sounds like a pampered ride 😉 Good luck!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Redefined_cycles on 15 July, 2020, 10:26:59 pm
Just for the information of anyone that might have been in a similar situation of non response from the organiser when asked about anything... Including concerns regards not being able to attend next years event...

I took it to paypal and opened up a case. Not sure what the outcome will be but at least it seems to have led to a response (no shizzle Sherlock) by the organiser (Burnley Cycle Club). Not to me directly but to PayPals resolution team. But its a start.

Hope it helps anyone else that might be struggling with comms and finances ...
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Andy Corless on 29 July, 2020, 10:02:56 am
Nobody is ignoring you. Everybody who has emailed us re LEJOG this last month will now have been replied to. If you emailed us and didn't receive a response it's likely your email came through the Spam folder which I tend to delete without reading (or even reading the subject line). Only an apology if so and I can assure you that having ridden events myself for over 25 years and organised for over 10 years this isn't the usual standard of service. I'm sure that everyone who entered would have received the "confirmation of postponement" email from late June/early July which was sent to every entrant, I think they would have been in contact by now if not.

You're welcome to enter next year or in 2022, and I'm sure you will once the Covid-19 pandemic blows over and things hopefully return to normal. I Look forward to seeing you then if so.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: C-3PO on 29 July, 2020, 12:21:27 pm
NB. If anyone thinks my post wasn't observing rule #1 (dont be a ...) then feel free to PM and I'm happy to delete and just wait to see when Andy manages to cstch up. Apologies in advance

Just got my money back from paypal. Thanks Andy for acting like we're all thick and ignoring us (well done for responding quickly when paypal got in touch). Won't ever be doing an audax with you again mate ya swindling ignoring smartypants. Thanks again fella and hope everyone else you ignored when it came to money woes manages to also get refunded  ::-).

Master, the information in your post above could have been expressed in a more appropriate way. We understand your frustration, but suggest a re-word to the post; you have the power to do this.

Your shiny servant.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 30 July, 2020, 07:52:54 pm
Thanks again to Andy for the efforts he has made. I still intend to have a go as a solo ride this year (before repeating in 2021 or 2022 officially)  It has been officially announced today that phase 3 is underway in Scotland and that hotels are open for tourism for the 15th. Hotels do seem particularly cheap ... my travelodge/premier Inn bookings average less than £30.


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Sounds like a pampered ride Good luck!
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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: bairn again on 30 July, 2020, 09:20:18 pm
Thanks again to Andy for the efforts he has made. I still intend to have a go as a solo ride this year (before repeating in 2021 or 2022 officially)  It has been officially announced today that phase 3 is underway in Scotland and that hotels are open for tourism for the 15th. Hotels do seem particularly cheap ... my travelodge/premier Inn bookings average less than £30.


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Sounds like a pampered ride Good luck!
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Chapeau.  No finer feeling! 
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: FifeingEejit on 31 July, 2020, 12:35:47 am
Ah so you got there before some gadgie malkied the "Orkney" finger.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 31 July, 2020, 06:31:54 am
Ah so you got there before some gadgie malkied the "Orkney" finger.
They had just finished repairing it. 


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: LittleWheelsandBig on 31 July, 2020, 06:34:20 am
I hope it was an enjoyable ride Davef.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Davef on 31 July, 2020, 06:38:13 am
I hope it was an enjoyable ride Davef.
Apart from the bit from Lockerbie to East Kilbride into a nasty headwind


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Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: Bikeabilityman on 01 August, 2020, 08:23:03 am
Well done, Dave. That’s another tick for Team MK. I’ll have to do it one day (going through lots of Wetherspoons).
Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: kevinsm on 03 August, 2020, 12:58:59 pm
Finished on Friday, lots of rain and cold, although some good tail wind. (Tandem)

Title: Re: LEJOG: 26 - 31 JULY 2020
Post by: adam w on 11 August, 2020, 09:57:44 am
Rode it anyway, hope to be back again in 2021
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Leo on 17 November, 2020, 07:00:38 am
Surely hope it will be possible to ride LEJOG 2021  :)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: robgul on 17 November, 2020, 08:41:22 am
I'd not spotted this thread . . . .

I have just re-vamped my   www.cycle-endtoend.org.uk  website (newer technology and tidying up the text/content)

At the moment the Audax mention is out of date - if someone would like to make contact and let me have the content that should be there (and anything else) I'll be delighted to publish it)      See  https://www.cycle-endtoend.org.uk/rides/audax-rides

You can list your ride in the calendar and if you are of a mind to write a journal or whatever that can be published too ... and all for free!!

[There is a contact form on the website, or PM from here]

Rob
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Despuech on 13 January, 2021, 07:20:08 am
Check out the Matt cartoon in today’s Torygraph :-)
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: robgul on 13 January, 2021, 08:31:48 am
Check out the Matt cartoon in today’s Torygraph :-)

Couldn't resist :  https://www.cycle-endtoend.org.uk/old-news-stuff
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Geriatricdolan on 13 January, 2021, 01:44:14 pm
Surely hope it will be possible to ride LEJOG 2021  :)

Very unlikely... multi-day event, sharing accommodation will probably be difficult to organise safely.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 January, 2021, 12:32:56 am
"Surely hope it will be possible to ride LEJOG 2021"

Hopefully but probably about 50/50. I suppose it depends on the efficiency of the new vaccine as well as the lifting of the suspension currently in place by AUK for events at that distance.

Best to keep an eye on the event website. Link attached below.

All the 2021 entrants, including those that transferred their entry over from last year will be receiving latest update emails shortly. Same goes for Inverness 1200 and Pendle 600!

https://lejog1400audax.com/

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 18 January, 2021, 05:22:53 pm
Surely hope it will be possible to ride LEJOG 2021  :)

Very unlikely... multi-day event, sharing accommodation will probably be difficult to organise safely.
Depends on
A) how many riders have been vaccinated
B) level of cases in the country at the time
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Lightning Phil on 18 January, 2021, 05:27:05 pm
If majority of riders are over 50 and live in the UK, there’s a good chance they will have been vaccinated
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 18 January, 2021, 10:26:16 pm
Depends on
A) how many riders have been vaccinated
B) level of cases in the country at the time


As well as AUK lifting the suspension for events of that distance after the lockdown.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: robhyde on 19 January, 2021, 02:41:11 pm
"Surely hope it will be possible to ride LEJOG 2021"

Hopefully but probably about 50/50. I suppose it depends on the efficiency of the new vaccine as well as the lifting of the suspension currently in place by AUK for events at that distance.

Best to keep an eye on the event website. Link attached below.

All the 2021 entrants, including those that transferred their entry over from last year will be receiving latest update emails shortly. Same goes for Inverness 1200 and Pendle 600!

https://lejog1400audax.com/

Andy Corless

I'll probably ride the Pendle 600 if Covid conditions allow - is there a way of registering interest even if calendar events aren't enterable on the AUK site currently?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Ajax Bay on 19 January, 2021, 03:55:39 pm
I'll probably ride the Pendle 600 if Covid conditions allow - is there a way of registering interest even if calendar events aren't enterable on the AUK site currently?
All entry mechanisms have been blocked off, as you've said. Don't think there will be an issue getting a place on the Pendle 600 though, so registering an interest is nugatory (except for personal motivation). Might be an issue completing it, though!
Consider Deano's SR600 as a hilly alternative with attractive images required as an integral part of the ride.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: robhyde on 19 January, 2021, 04:21:47 pm
I'll probably ride the Pendle 600 if Covid conditions allow - is there a way of registering interest even if calendar events aren't enterable on the AUK site currently?
All entry mechanisms have been blocked off, as you've said. Don't think there will be an issue getting a place on the Pendle 600 though, so registering an interest is nugatroy (except for personal motivation). Might be an issue completing it, though!
Consider Deano's SR600 as a hilly alternative with attractive images required as an integral part of the ride.

Ah yes I have unfinished business with the Pendle, almost certain that Yorkshire will be sunny with tailwinds this year though : )
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 19 January, 2021, 11:59:36 pm
A full list of events we're hoping to organise in 2021 can be found on the website at: https://burnleyccevents.com/

I'd expect the Delightful Dales 200; Knock Ventoux 300; Tan Hill 200 and Glasgow 600 to go ahead with a 30-rider limit. I wouldn't be sure about the others.

There's little chance of the Pendle 600 becoming fully booked up.

After all the transfers are complete there's likely to be about 30 places left on LEJOG!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: wwatts on 04 March, 2021, 11:16:31 pm
Does anyone have a prediction about whether travel restrictiions are likely be to lifted for overseas visitors in tme for LEJOG 2021?  I am coming from the states, and will be fully vaccinated by mid-March, and will have documentation to prove it.  It would not make any sense for me to come, though, if I had to quarantine for two weeks after landing.

Bill Watts
Indiaan Randonneurs, uSA
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: GPS on 05 March, 2021, 08:40:54 am
Does anyone have a prediction about whether travel restrictiions are likely be to lifted for overseas visitors in tme for LEJOG 2021?  I am coming from the states, and will be fully vaccinated by mid-March, and will have documentation to prove it.  It would not make any sense for me to come, though, if I had to quarantine for two weeks after landing.

Bill Watts
Indiaan Randonneurs, uSA

This is where the UK government published its recent official announcements on our 'roadmap' out of the current lockdown: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-response-spring-2021

No-one's got a firm idea of what'll actually happen though, of course ! I'm in the same boat as you with regards to booking travel overseas for rides. It's crap isn't it !?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: grams on 05 March, 2021, 08:57:18 am
The government hasn’t made any solid announcement on when international travel will be allowed or what the rules will be. I’d say 50:50 at best for July.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 18 March, 2021, 10:50:30 pm
Following the recent announcements from the UK government re the proposed relaxing of covid-19 restrictions as well as AUK validating rides again from next month I've been asked by a few riders the likelihood of the LEJOG going ahead this time, and will we be accepting more entries. The chances are high that the LEJOG will go ahead as planned in July. I'm just waiting to see precise advice about Scotland and Wales. More details will be available in the next update, due around Easter time. There's about 20 places left!

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Deano4 on 19 March, 2021, 12:15:02 pm
Excellent, really looking forward to an adventure this year!
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: LMT on 19 March, 2021, 02:41:34 pm
<Macho Man Randy Savage> Oh yeah
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 22 March, 2021, 09:20:44 am
Does anyone have a prediction about whether travel restrictiions are likely be to lifted for overseas visitors in tme for LEJOG 2021?  I am coming from the states, and will be fully vaccinated by mid-March, and will have documentation to prove it.  It would not make any sense for me to come, though, if I had to quarantine for two weeks after landing.

Bill Watts
Indiaan Randonneurs, uSA
Given recent statements from the government,  I would say it is unlikely.  I wouldn't book any travel yet.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Jack_P on 09 April, 2021, 10:48:43 am
Following the recent announcements from the UK government re the proposed relaxing of covid-19 restrictions as well as AUK validating rides again from next month I've been asked by a few riders the likelihood of the LEJOG going ahead this time, and will we be accepting more entries. The chances are high that the LEJOG will go ahead as planned in July. I'm just waiting to see precise advice about Scotland and Wales. More details will be available in the next update, due around Easter time. There's about 20 places left!

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX

Any update then Andy?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 14 April, 2021, 10:45:19 pm
Sorry just seen this. I'm just getting these two upcoming events I have to organise this next week or so out of the way after which attention will turn to LEJOG.

Update later this month.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Leo on 27 April, 2021, 08:16:48 am
Surely hope we can join from the Netherlands after getting our shots ..
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 01 May, 2021, 10:36:51 pm
Maybe, maybe not. Next update going out this week. I'm being told that the social distancing rules are being relaxed from 21 June onwards and AUK will be validating all calendar events after this date. Just checking with the controls.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 12 May, 2021, 11:49:49 pm
Obviously I've been asked a couple of times this week whether or not the LEJOG's going ahead. I'm just waiting to see Monday's announcement on Scotland to see if the event's viable. Many have already transferred over to 2022 so if the event goes ahead there'll likely be a reduced field.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 17 May, 2021, 10:49:39 pm
If you don't know already the 2022 edition has been set for 03-08 July. I'm expecting 2022 to be the first full event with everything back to normal. I'm still waiting to see the latest Scotland & Wales info' to see if the event can proceed this year. It'll likely have to be scaled back a bit if it does but won't run as a basic X-rated event.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: thegasman on 18 May, 2021, 09:50:32 pm
Andy - It would be great if you could still run it in 2021.  I am entered and will definitely be riding the event even if you do have to scale it back a bit. I’m just looking forward to the adventure and a bit of fun. Fingers crossed you can still make it happen.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Alans coffee on 21 May, 2021, 05:34:53 pm
I've already booked my ticket on the train back from Wick so I'll be riding up to J o'G whatever.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Alan Steele on 23 May, 2021, 09:30:06 pm
Is there an "up to date" list of the controls for LEJOG 21 and the overnight stops?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 23 May, 2021, 11:08:48 pm
Should all be done and dusted within the next couple of weeks. Looking like it's going to be going ahead!

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: amitgal on 26 May, 2021, 12:54:11 pm
Is there a route sheet? map? gpx?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 May, 2021, 03:30:33 pm
Pending Andy's reply and indicating the 'go ahead', here's the route I shared 'way back' which is the route I'd take between the controls Andy had/has previously shared. Whilst the 'route' tab is 'tbc' the 'event information' still lists the 4 'overnight' locations/controls
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
1419.4 km + 13833m
DRAFT GUESS 1400+km audax from Land's End to John o'Groats. Via St Stephen (Cornwall), Moretonhampstead (Dartmoor), Sandford (Somerset - sleep stop 1 @302), Monmouth, Ludlow, Market Drayton, Warrington (sleep stop 2 @ 593), Carnforth, Gretna Green, Paisley (sleep stop 3 @ 957), Fort William, Inverness (sleep stop 4 @ 1229)
https://lejog1400audax.com/event-information/
https://lejog1400audax.com/event-route/
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 01 June, 2021, 12:19:46 am
Hello all,

Now that we have a clearer picture I'll advise of my intentions of running the 2021 LEJOG 1400 AUDAX.

The 2021 edition is set for 18-23 July 2021 and I intend to proceed as planned with the event using the four overnight controls, subject to final approval my the AUK events board. The event is still currently suspended because of the Covid-19 pandemic. I also intend to retain the drop-bag to the first 3 controls, so it's effectively as we were.

Obviously, because of the uncertainty caused by the Covid 19 pandemic, many of the pre season events have had to be cancelled and we realise that many riders won't be in the expected physical condition to ride a 1400 km Audax in 2-months time as you'd normally be, so I'll be happy to defer any rider entry over to next year if they'd prefer just as many have already requested to do so.

Obviously, in order for the LEJOG to run we need to assess both the physical and financial viability of the event as it would require a certain number of riders; so it would be helpful if you could each confirm your intention to ride this year or not.

Event info'; route-sheet etc will all be available sometime during mid-late June.

We're in the process of emailing the Spring update out to all the entrants.

Kind regards,

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 02 June, 2021, 08:40:48 am
When do you need to know? 200s are feeling good,  but I hadn't ridden anything further since August,  need to get a 300 in this weekend.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Princellewelyn on 02 June, 2021, 06:57:58 pm
I intend to ride, body and pandemic permitting. Thanks for your efforts in keeping this one alive Andy.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 02 June, 2021, 11:39:28 pm
You can decide whether to ride this year or not any time prior to starting. It's still not 100% certain to go ahead this year yet and I don't suppose we'll know for sure until 21 June which is when the final restrictions are set to be lifted in England.

As said in my previous post earlier this week, we realise that many riders won't have ridden themselves into condition with much of the longer (400km+) pre-season events being cancelled, so we're happy to transfer riders over to next year on request and many have already decided to do so.

For information purposes, the 2022 edition has been confirmed as 03-08 July 2022. There's been a surprising number of enquiries coming in already for the 2022 edition and judging by the level of interest we're already planning for 500 riders next year.

Apologies if you've emailed in the last few days and not yet had a response as there's been a delay at this end.

Every rider on the 2021 start list will be getting the latest update imminently if they haven't done so already.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX

Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 03 June, 2021, 09:33:09 am
Thanks for the clarification,  with that being the position I am not happy to commit a few hundred pounds to travel bookings around the event, until we are in a more certain situation.  With that in mind it may be the logistics rather than the training that prevent riding.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: thegasman on 03 June, 2021, 09:03:57 pm
Thanks Andy. I on the other hand am committing, and will be there, providing you are able to make it all happen. Appreciate your time and effort. Cheers.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 05 June, 2021, 01:12:24 am
Everyone who's on the start list for the 2021 edition should have by now had the latest update emailed this last week. Thanks to all those that quickly responded.

I'm away in Scotland (again) this weekend so I'll look at the responses when I get back home and see where we are Monday/Tuesday. Have a good weekend all and enjoy the good weather.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Jack_P on 06 June, 2021, 10:16:19 am
Everyone who's on the start list for the 2021 edition should have by now had the latest update emailed this last week. Thanks to all those that quickly responded.

I'm away in Scotland (again) this weekend so I'll look at the responses when I get back home and see where we are Monday/Tuesday. Have a good weekend all and enjoy the good weather.

Andy Corless

I have received no email Andy, even though I know what the email says, and intend to ride in 2021
Jack Peterson
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 09 June, 2021, 10:28:09 am
Any update on this and the rumoured delay to the end of restrictions?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 10 June, 2021, 11:25:30 pm
I'm just checking with the controls but it looks like we're on for 18-23 July. Still keeping an eye on the Covid-19 situation but it looks like LEJOG's on. 21 June is cut off for final decision. Event no longer suspended.

Route will be similar, not identical, to this:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false

Those still keen to ride should keep an eye on the event website:

https://lejog1400audax.com/

More info' soon.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Jon+1bike on 15 June, 2021, 04:20:45 pm
 ??? LOCKDOWN Extension till 19th July  ???
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 15 June, 2021, 05:20:10 pm
??? LOCKDOWN Extension till 19th July  ???
Take it easy through Cornwall and arrive at the first overnight control after 00:01  19/07/2021
 ;D
In fairness not many will be able to do this in less than 15 hours anyway.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 16 June, 2021, 12:00:21 pm
According to a post by the AUK Secretary published on the AUK Forum, the limit of 300 km was only set because there were no 400 km+ events published in the calendar at the time that the decision was made limiting the validation of events up to 300 km. AUK have given the green light for the LEJOG 1400 to run but there might be problems with the sleeping arrangements. The big concern for me here is the geography of the LEJOG. The route would pass through Wales and Scotland (as well as England of course) and the Scottish government seem reluctant to ease their lockdown to level 0 on 28 June as planned and their relaxation of restrictions is likely to be delayed until late July.

Being totally honest, I'd be reluctant to run any 'night' events before 19 July. If there were any Covid-19 outbreaks at any of the control facilities shortly afterwards the blame would fall squarely on us and possibly damage reputations. I'll be emailing all the 2021 entrants this coming week to gather their thoughts and see if they're all willing to proceed. Many have already requested a transfer to 2022. It's still being discussed at this end.

Kind regards,

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Princellewelyn on 16 June, 2021, 06:15:21 pm
Thanks Andy. I’ve been looking forward to the journey and don’t want to defer, but I appreciate the challenges so I’m happy to book private accommodation and carry my own kit etc if you are happy for me / others to use the route?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Alan Steele on 16 June, 2021, 08:37:14 pm
Hi Andy, I'm sure Steve Scott and myself would also do the journey on own booked accommodation if it made it work for you. Alan Steele
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 16 June, 2021, 11:42:52 pm
The event has been given the green light to run but I'm a bit sceptical. The infection rates are rising again in the UK and Scotland is expected to announce a further delay to its lifting of restrictions. It's being discussed behind the scenes at the moment but the bunk bed accommodation is a huge problem. If it runs, it'll likely run as an X-rated event. We all want the LEJOG to run in its planned format, but we also have to deal with what's in front of us. Neither do we want to fully commit to running it and have to pull the plug at the last minute because we go back into lockdown which I wouldn't rule out at the moment. Nevertheless, everyone is being offered a transfer to 2022.

I'll be emailing all the 2021 entrants later this week.

Andy Corless
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 22 June, 2021, 02:17:17 pm
Rumours are that Scotland will delay opening by 3 weeks,  of course, these are not confirmed and there is still a risk they could be delayed again either in England or Scotland.

I'd be interested to ride x rated if it runs on that basis. If it diesn't run, I'll probably look at riding it as a 7x 200km ride.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 23 June, 2021, 12:13:23 am
AUK have given all events the green light but judging by the current circumstances if the LEJOG AUDAX runs this year it'll now have to run as an X-rated basic event with no overnight controls because some of the controls can no longer accommodate us anyway due to the Pandemic. Many of the volunteers are understandably reluctant to attend as no one wants to social distance wearing a face mask for 2-3 days!

Scotland's current restrictions would limit the field to 50 riders however, these restrictions are due to be relaxed on 19 July. LEJOG wouldn't arrive there before 20 July so there's room for manoeuvre here but this could be extended or even tightened at anytime and what we don't want of course is to have to cull the ride halfway through.

The spread of the Delta variant in North West England is also a major concern. Visitors to Manchester and Salford are not eligible to travel to Scotland and this travel ban could be extended to Lancashire at anytime.

Nightmare at the moment but I'm confident that things will improve later this year and optimistic that next year's edition, set for 03-08 July 2022, will be a full value event and be a success.

All the 2021 entrants will be receiving emails later this week. Those that preferred to transfer over to next year (which I'm certain will go ahead as planned) will also be receiving confirmation emails.

As an aside, I'm as confident that the next event I'm organizing after LEJOG, Inverness 1200, set for 11-15 September will also be a success. Scotland plan to remove all restrictions around 09 August 2021.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 23 June, 2021, 10:46:08 am


The spread of the Delta variant in North West England is also a major concern. Visitors to Manchester and Salford are not eligible to travel to Scotland and this travel ban could be extended to Lancashire at anytime.


The rate in Warrington is not far below Manchester and rising quickly.  I think there is a very real risk that by mid July the affected area will present a significant barrier to the route.  If any control locations fall under the same restrictions as Manchester then the ride could not go ahead with auk knowing that riders will have to stop in areas which would result in them not being allowed to enter Scotland.

Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Ajax Bay on 24 June, 2021, 11:14:08 pm
It is inconceivable that a citizen travelling through Merseyside/Manchester conurbation will thus be 'prohibited' in law or in practice from travelling into the Scotland.
Maybe 60% of the M6 to M74 traffic will have passed through Manchester (J23-J27).
Cyclists en route are not 'visitors to Manchester and Salford'.
The sleep stop control was to be Warrington.
There is a McD's and a 24 hour Shell garage on the road a mile north of Warrington (on A49).
This is outside Greater Manchester: https://tfgm.com/public-transport/maps/greater-manchester-bus-boundary-map
The route I've shared:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31764424?beta=false
avoids Greater Manchester, straying into its edge for a mile between Billinge and Orrell.
Maybe merit in riders NOT booking somewhere to stop within city limits.
Several Travelodge options including one in central Warrington (<£30) and for £32:
https://www.travelodge.co.uk/hotels/135/Haydock-St-Helens-hotel?checkIn=19%2F07%2F21&checkOut=20%2F07%2F21&rooms%5B0%5D%5Badults%5D=1&rooms%5B0%5D%5Bchildren%5D=0
The next control was (once upon a time) shared as Carnforth.
ETA: I've also cut out the 4km excursion to Sandford (Churchill) Activity Centre (was to be end of Day 1 stop/bed offer) on the RwGPS route: there is a 24 hr service station on the A38 (col) above Winscombe as the control option.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 25 June, 2021, 11:51:58 am
It is inconceivable that a citizen travelling through Merseyside/Manchester conurbation will thus be 'prohibited' in law or in practice from travelling into the Scotland.
Maybe 60% of the M6 to M74 traffic will have passed through Manchester (J23-J27).
Cyclists en route are not 'visitors to Manchester and Salford'.


Agreed greater Manchester is not a problem,  but the trend in surrounding areas such as Lancashire and Warrington is upwards,  the risk is that at any time in the next two weeks the restrictions on Manchester could be applied to other areas.

Passing through non stop is not being a visitor,  this is established. But overnight stops would be and I'm not sure if having lunch in a pub or restaurant would count.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andy Corless on 26 June, 2021, 10:47:10 pm
This is a major concern at this end. The spread of the Delta variant in northwest England is also giving us all greater concern. If the LEJOG AUDAX was due to start tomorrow it would probably have gone ahead as planned; but our observations at this end are is that restrictions are likely to extend/tighten over the next 2-3 weeks and areas such as Lancashire and Cumbria could have strict restrictions implemented at anytime and it's the view of the organiser's that the negatives of having to cancel the LEJOG part way through seem greater than postponing the event again for another year. Restrictions in Scotland would also limit the field to just 50 riders.

The UK has recorded the highest number of COVID-19 cases today since February so it's not a good sign. My club advisors are also concerned that if any of the overnight controls recorded a Covid-19 outbreak shortly after we passed through the blame for the spread would fall squarely on us, or probably AUDAX for sanctioning the event.

However, there's always a "however", I'm confident that we'll have a LEJOG AUDAX at some point.

I'm about to send out a group email to all those on the 2021 LEJOG start list advising of the options.

Nightmare situation.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Ajax Bay on 27 June, 2021, 10:43:40 pm
This is a major concern at this end.
. . . .
 My club advisors are also concerned that if any of the overnight controls recorded a Covid-19 outbreak shortly after we passed through the blame for the spread would fall squarely on us, or probably AUDAX for sanctioning the event.
Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX
Were you still planning to arrange 'overnight controls' Andy? Thought you had changed it to be 'X rated'.
I hope Ironman UK at Bolton next Sunday manages to run. Over 1000 athletes are entered.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 18-23 JULY 2021
Post by: Andrew097 on 04 July, 2021, 12:46:01 pm
I'm happy for my entry to be put against 2022 please
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: wwatts on 27 July, 2021, 09:23:06 pm
Did this ride actually happen?
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Andy Corless on 28 July, 2021, 11:24:18 pm
No, not in AUDAX terms anyway. It was sensibly called off due to the rising Covid cases in places along the route. Restrictions in Scotland would have limited the field size to 50 riders anyway. A few of the entrants did ride the route on their own accord

Looking ahead, which is about the only thing that we can do at the moment, we're already preparing for the 2022 edition and planning for 500 riders.

If you plan to travel over to the UK from abroad I'd advise you to get your Covid vaccination jabs up to date before booking. The US apparently doesn't recognize the Oxford AstraZeneca/Pfizer vaccine. I don't know if it's the same vice versa.

I've been out of it this last week with only limited email access so if you've emailed this last week you'll be getting a reply soon.

We've already updated the LEJOG event website with next year's details (see link below).

Looking forward to seeing you on 03 July next year ....

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX

https://lejog1400audax.com/

Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: wwatts on 29 July, 2021, 06:42:42 pm
Thanks, Andy.  I will be coming from the States, and had already delayed my participation to 2022.  I was just curious about whether this had come off for UK participatns, and I am grateful for your response.

Bill Watts
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Simon_A on 23 August, 2021, 08:31:18 pm
Hello Andy, I've just entered.  Thanks for putting on such an iconic route as an event  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Marek on 14 September, 2021, 11:00:53 am
Hi Andy,

I signed up for the event next year on 12 August but have not received a confirmation email? I have however got the one from PayPal.

Out of curiosity, how many people is the event open to/what numbers usually do it? Also, do bunches form during the event or does everyone usually just stick to themselves and ride their own routes + pace solo?

Cheers,

Marek
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 14 September, 2021, 05:21:46 pm
Hi Andy,

I signed up for the event next year on 12 August but have not received a confirmation email? I have however got the one from PayPal.

Out of curiosity, how many people is the event open to/what numbers usually do it? Also, do bunches form during the event or does everyone usually just stick to themselves and ride their own routes + pace solo?

Cheers,

Marek
Post upthread says there are 500 places, so I would expect plenty of groups to form on the road.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Lightning Phil on 14 September, 2021, 08:25:22 pm
Hi Andy,

I signed up for the event next year on 12 August but have not received a confirmation email? I have however got the one from PayPal.

Out of curiosity, how many people is the event open to/what numbers usually do it? Also, do bunches form during the event or does everyone usually just stick to themselves and ride their own routes + pace solo?

Cheers,

Marek

The event hasn’t run before. That latter point has no answer.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Andy Corless on 15 September, 2021, 02:55:49 am
Hi Andy,

I signed up for the event next year on 12 August but have not received a confirmation email? I have however got the one from PayPal.


Checking the records there was only 1 entry on that date and the entrant was sent a confirmation email the following day at 12:04 pm. I've sent you another one just in case.

Look forward to seeing you then.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG 1400 AUDAX
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Marek on 15 September, 2021, 11:54:56 am
Thanks Andy, got it now :)

This will be my first Audax, so glad to hear that groups will likely form!

Looking forward to it
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Bobby on 15 September, 2021, 01:09:36 pm
Oh, this is getting tempting...  I am weighing up a few possible long rides next year (will only do one :))

Andy I don't want to be a pain so really just asking, do you think any manned controls are likely to have gluten-fee options?   With bag drops it's not impossible for me to put dehydrated meals in as a backup & obviously there are commercial options,

Cheers,
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Wycombewheeler on 15 September, 2021, 01:43:55 pm
Thanks Andy, got it now :)

This will be my first Audax, so glad to hear that groups will likely form!

Looking forward to it
This is to a certain degree speculation on my part,  but I evermore completed a 1000km brevet with only 12 riders and of the 15 stages I think I ride 5 with compensation and could have had company on at least 3 more of us been prepared to wait.

More riders means more chance of people riding at your speed. Nothing is guaranteed. Best bet if you want company is to ride with a group you are not flat out to keep up with.
Title: Re: LEJOG: 03-08 JULY 2022
Post by: Andy Corless on 21 October, 2021, 11:08:06 pm
"Andy I don't want to be a pain so really just asking, do you think any manned controls are likely to have gluten-fee options?   With bag drops it's not impossible for me to put dehydrated meals in as a backup & obviously there are commercial options,"

Not being a pain at all. So sorry for not responding earlier but I'm playing catch up at this end after a rather hectic last few weeks. The answer is very probably. There'll be a wide selection of food options available at each of the overnight controls.

More in the next update, due early December.

Andy Corless
Organiser
LEJOG AUDAX