Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => Topic started by: Oscar's dad on 05 January, 2011, 03:29:48 pm
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This year I fancy having a go at devising and riding some DIY audaxes as I like route planning and need a new challenge. I know that you can use a GPS track to prove where you've been but I would like to collect ATM receipts etc as its nice and old school.
Is there a step-by-step guide to explain how I go about things? I have had a shufty but nothing is jumping out at me. Or does someone fancy tapping out some words of wisdom?
Love un stuff :-*
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Links to various useful threads in this one:-
How Do I ... DIY'S (http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=40581.0)
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Have you browsed the FAQs at the top of the audax/cyclosportive board? There's a section on DIYs which might well answer your needs. If there's anything not covered, a specific question here will, I'm sure, provide at least 20 mutually contradictory responses!
edit - beaten to it by Greenbank.
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Smashing, thanks. I will have a careful read.
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You might wish to read my text as well - http://www.ukcyclist.co.uk/diy
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OK, I'm a bit confused. Do I have to get in touch with my local organiser (Zoom) and get a brevet card before the ride?
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Another question: one route I have in mind is home (Essex) to my parents (West Sussex) via fun bits of London. I could make this route 150km. Is this distance acceptable or are the allowed graduations 100, 200, 400, 600km?
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Do I have to get in touch with my local organiser (Zoom) and get a brevet card before the ride?
In the immediate absence of aforesaid Zoom - who might be along in a minute anyway - it would be a good idea to get in touch with him in any case - I've always found him knowledgeable and helpful and for your first time it'd be an idea to get any advice from him.
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Another question: one route I have in mind is home (Essex) to my parents (West Sussex) via fun bits of London. I could make this route 150km. Is this distance acceptable or are the allowed graduations 100, 200, 400, 600km?
yes a 150km is allowed :) I think I've had this request before as a 150km ride is a vital part of at least one AUK award (as well as an accepted calendar and perm distance)
however 250 350 etc will only get rounded down to the next 100; it's to do with rationalising the number of perm distances that need to be defined on the website.
HTH
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And yes, you do need to obtain a brevet card, virrtual or other, before you ride.
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OK, thanks chaps for the advice. So, for the sake of the hard of thinking (that's me folks) the sequence of events I need to follow are:
1. Rejoin AUK
2. Contact Zoom for a few brevet cards (send SAE)
3. Devise my route(s) ensuring that the shortest distance between controls (every 60km) adds up to the desired distance (one can use Google maps set to walking to check this)
4. After the ride send signed brevets with ATM receipts etc to Zoom with SAE
5. Zoom sends back validated brevet (assuming I haven't cocked the ride up) - BINGO
One final question: Zoom, please can you PM me your address and the cost of half a dozen brevets?
What have I missed out?
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Sorry, just thought of something else. What are the time limits for DIY Audaxes?
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One final question: Zoom, please can you PM me your address and the cost of half a dozen brevets?
What have I missed out?
Looking on the AUK website? ;)
DIY PERMANENT SERIES (south east organiser) 200 (http://www.aukweb.net/cal/perms/calsolo.php?Ride=MMDIY02)
Sorry, just thought of something else. What are the time limits for DIY Audaxes?
From the AUK Handbook:
5.7 Speeds: events shall be run within maximum and minimum overall speeds and riders checked through a series of controls which have predetermined opening and closing times and which must be published in the brevet card for calendared events.
(i) The minimum speeds may not be altered and shall be:
for events up to 699km - within the range 14.3 to 15kph;
for events from 700 to 1299 km - 13.3kph;
for events from 1300 to 1899 km - 12kph;
for events from 1900 to 2499 km - 10kph; and
for events over 2499 km, 200 km per day.
http://www.aukweb.net/handbook/handbook.pdf
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^^^ Brilliant, thanks!
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OK, thanks chaps for the advice. So, for the sake of the hard of thinking (that's me folks) the sequence of events I need to follow are:
1. Rejoin AUK UK
2. Contact Zoom for a few brevet cards (send SAE)
3. Devise my route(s) ensuring that the shortest distance between controls (every 60km) adds up to the desired distance (one can use Google maps set to walking to check this)
4. After the ride send signed brevets with ATM receipts etc to Zoom with SAE
5. Zoom sends back validated brevet (assuming I haven't cocked the ride up) - BINGO
One final question: Zoom, please can you PM me your address and the cost of half a dozen brevets?
What have I missed out?
I think you've missed out telling him when you will ride. (Step 3.5?)
If you just buy the one brevet card online, you state your planned date at that stage - simple.
If you buy mulitiple cards, you'll need to submit an entry form for each ride, and should notify the org if you postpone.
[see other threads for discussion of the various subtle variations that can crop up on this theme!]
For completeness, I'll ask the other FAQ:
If I submit a route which is confirmed as 230km min distance between controls, how much time do I get?
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How do I buy a brevet card on-line?
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How do I buy a brevet card on-line?
From Zoom: http://www.ukcyclist.co.uk/southeast-diy
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You chaps are the best :thumbsup:
I shall be rejoining AUK later today.
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Suggest that to check distance*/plan route you actually use via Michelin set to bicycle as that's what Martin will use. Thus you won't be caught out by subtle differences between the two (already discussed ad nauseam in some other thread).
*Official distance is of course shortest route between the controls you specify, regardless of what route you actually take.
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Just had a look at ViaMichelin as I have not used it before - looks good, thanks for the tip.
I have now joined AUK UK, ordered a couple of OS maps and am happily contemplating devising, entering, riding and completing my first 150km DIY audax. I think I will aim for April. Exciting stuff!
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Having said I want to do it in the old school way and collect ATM receipts I have just been reading up on doing DIYs by GPS. Sounds good!
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If you do use Via Michelin, be aware it doesn't allow many intermediate points. It's no biggy - you just need to split the ride up - I did it one pair of controls at a time and added them all up at the end myself.
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Sorry, just thought of something else. What are the time limits for DIY Audaxes?
If its a Brevet Populaire (ie less than 200km), the speeds can be relaxed to less than the Brevet Randonneur speeds. I'm not sure if there's actually any limit on the minimum speed, but you should agree it with the organiser before the ride. There's plenty BP events with 10km/h minimum, so that should be fine if you want.
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For completeness, I'll ask the other FAQ:
If I submit a route which is confirmed as 230km min distance between controls, how much time do I get?
You'll get just over 16hrs (14hrs for the basic 200 and another 2 hrs plus a bit more for the extra 30 based on a minimum average of 14.3kph)
It will however go down as a 200 in the results for simplicity.
HTH :)
Sorry, just thought of something else. What are the time limits for DIY Audaxes?
If its a Brevet Populaire (ie less than 200km), the speeds can be relaxed to less than the Brevet Randonneur speeds. I'm not sure if there's actually any limit on the minimum speed, but you should agree it with the organiser before the ride. There's plenty BP events with 10km/h minimum, so that should be fine if you want.
the short answer is I'm not sure; all DIY's whether by card or GPS use a standard minimum of 14.3kph. I know a calendar Populaire and some shorter perms can have it reduced but should I be allowed to reduce it on DIY's for some riders and not for others?
and the GPS validation software will not accept speeds below this, it will just say you are out of time.
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I think any Populaire Permanent it's perfectly reasonable to just say 'a day' though obviously as Organiser it's up to you. (The validation software may need a tweak in a future version.)
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the short answer is I'm not sure; all DIY's whether by card or GPS use a standard minimum of 14.3kph. I know a calendar Populaire and some shorter perms can have it reduced but should I be allowed to reduce it on DIY's for some riders and not for others?
and the GPS validation software will not accept speeds below this, it will just say you are out of time.
The sub-200km DIYs on the website used to say 8.3kph. At some point they changed to 14.3kph along with the others. Here's the page for Lucy's DIY 100 back in 2007:-
Lucy's DIY 100 courtesy of the web archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20071120165415/www.aukweb.net/cal/perms/calsolo.php?Ride=LM07).
The point of a Populaire is that there isn't really any minimum average speed. Calendar Populaires have to have minimum average speeds such as 10kph or 12kph otherwise some controls would be open for days which isn't practical on a Calendar event.
Billy's Populaire End To End Perm has a minimum average speed of 3kph.
I've definitely a 100km DIY that I took over 7 hours for (it a 100km ride home via Aston Clinton the day after The Dean 300 in 2008 with the dreadful weather). Luckily I had put 8.3kph on the entry form, so I had no problem getting it validated.
The validation software and the website need tweaking...
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The point of a Populaire is that there isn't really any minimum average speed. Calendar Populaires have to have minimum average speeds such as 10kph or 12kph otherwise some controls would be open for days which isn't practical on a Calendar event.
Thanks; if that's the official line (100 perms being worth no points) I'll relax it completely, I can work out the distance and time taken (ie less than a day) from the software;
this will also include DIY's ridden as part of a FWC
However for fairness DIY's attracting AAAs will have the same minimum as the (2) normal AAA perms in my patch :)
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Swell, I like it Martin (and I agree with your DNF decision on whichever other thread btw). Should taller guy work his way up to 100km I can call it a DIY then with min speed nicely relaxed for a break in the middle. (He's not very fast yet, I fear this will change ere long anyway).
While we're (vaguely) on the subject, can someone point me at the online entry for an ECE - that way if I make it to Nips 3 (should know in next 48 hours if Keef is reading) then I can pop in an ECE entry - or can I use on of my DIY virtual brevets and call it "ECE01 Extended calendar Event 100km + 100km"?
Cheers,
Arabella
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While we're (vaguely) on the subject, can someone point me at the online entry for an ECE - that way if I make it to Nips 3 (should know in next 48 hours if Keef is reading) then I can pop in an ECE entry - or can I use on of my DIY virtual brevets and call it "ECE01 Extended calendar Event 100km + 100km"?
http://www.ukcyclist.co.uk/extendedcal
no you cannot use any other type of card for an ECE but as long as you have entered and paid (the payment bit comes after you submit the form) and the card is in the post we can work around it :)
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d'oh. should look for tabs.
I'll take a postit for the event start "receipt" if needed.