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Karla · « **Reply #50 on:** 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm »

Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

DuncanM · « **Reply #51 on:** 02 August, 2021, 02:10:24 pm »

UCI seem to have OKed Denmark to break UCI rules?
https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/1422179006137384967
Maybe they forgot about that bit of the rule.
Explanation here: https://twitter.com/Doctor_Hutch/status/1422142259919790083

spesh · « **Reply #52 on:** 02 August, 2021, 02:38:22 pm »

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm

Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

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Interviewer: With me now is Simon Jones, Perfomrance Director for the Aussie track cycling team. Thank you for agreeing to speak to us after Alex Porter's crash.

Simon Jones: It’s a great pleasure, thank you.

Interviewer: This bike that was involved in the incident in qualifying…

Simon Jones: The one the front fell off?

Interviewer: Yeah

Simon Jones: That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

Interviewer: Well, how is it untypical?

Simon Jones: Well, there are a lot of these bikes going around velodromes all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen … I just don’t want people thinking that track bikes aren’t safe.

Interviewer: Was this bike safe?

Simon Jones: Well I was thinking more about the other ones…

Interviewer: The ones that are safe,,,

Simon Jones: Yeah... the ones the front doesn’t fall off.

Interviewer: Well, if this wasn’t safe, why did it have Alex Porter on it?

Simon Jones: Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones.

Interviewer: Why?

Simon Jones: Well, some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all.

Interviewer: Wasn’t this built so the front wouldn’t fall off?

Simon Jones: Well, obviously not.

Interviewer: “How do you know?”

Simon Jones: Well, ‘cause the front fell off, and Alex Porter spilled into the boards. It’s a bit of a give-away. I would just like to make the point that that is not normal.

Interviewer: Well, what sort of standards are these bikes built to?

Simon Jones: Oh, very rigorous … cycling engineering standards.

Interviewer: What sort of things?

Simon Jones: Well the front’s not supposed to fall off, for a start.

Interviewer: And what other things?

Simon Jones: Well, there are … regulations governing the materials they can be made of

Interviewer: What materials?

Simon Jones: Well, Cardboard’s out

Interviewer: And?

Simon Jones: …No cardboard derivatives…

Interviewer: Like paper?

Simon Jones:. … No paper, no string, no cellotape. …

Interviewer: Rubber?

Simon Jones: No, rubber’s out .. Um, They’ve got to have handlebars. There’s a minimum crew requirement.”

Interviewer: What’s the minimum crew?

Simon Jones: Oh,… one, I suppose.

Interviewer: So, the allegations that they are just designed to be ridden as fast possible and to hell with the consequences, I mean that’s ludicrous…

Simon Jones: Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous. These are very, very strong bikes.

Interviewer: So what happened in this case?

Simon Jones: Well, the front fell off in this case by all means, but that’s very unusual.

Interviewer: But Simon Jones, why did the front bit fall off?

Simon Jones: Well, the track hit it.

Interviewer: The track hit it?

Simon Jones: The track hit the bike.

Interviewer: Is that unusual?

Simon Jones: Oh, yeah… On track? …Chance in a million.

Interviewer: So what do you do to protect the environment in cases like this?

Simon Jones: Well, the bike was carried outside the environment.

Interviewer: Into another environment….

Simon Jones: No, no, no. it’s been carried beyond the environment, it’s not in the environment

Interviewer: Yeah, but from one environment to another environment.

Simon Jones: No, it’s beyond the environment, it’s not in an environment. It has been carried beyond the environment.

Interviewer: Well, what’s out there?

Simon Jones: Nothing’s out there…

Interviewer: Well there must be something out there

Simon Jones: There is nothing out there… all there is …. ...

Interviewer: And?

Simon Jones: And several pieces of abraded lycra.

Interviewer: And what else?

Simon Jones: And some skin.

Interviewer: And anything else?

Simon Jones: And the part of the bike that the front fell off, but there’s nothing else out there.

Interviewer: Simon Jones thanks for joining us.

Simon Jones: It’s a complete void

Interviewer: Yeah, We’re out of time

Simon Jones: The environment’s perfectly safe. …. We’re out of time?.. Can you book me a cab?

Interviewer: But didn’t you come in an Olympic car?

Simon Jones: Yes, I did, but...

Interviewer: What happened?

Simon Jones: The front fell off.

rr · « **Reply #53 on:** 02 August, 2021, 03:34:25 pm »

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm

Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

Looking at the assembly manual and the photo of the break that looks likely.

Peter · « **Reply #54 on:** 02 August, 2021, 03:40:44 pm »

Quote from: Tom B on 02 August, 2021, 11:43:28 am

Trampolining also (from TG article):

The mother of Olympic gold medalist Charlotte Worthington has said her backflips on trampolines when she was a toddler may have helped her clinch the top spot on the podium in Tokyo.

… “From age four-and-a-half, I took her to trampolining at Trafford trampoline club, and she did that a couple of nights a week, doing all the upside down front-flip stuff and I think it all helped with the balance,” she added.
When Worthington started secondary education at Chorlton high school, she would build ramps on the road with all the neighbours’ children kids joining in on their scooters and skateboards.

Thanks for that - and for the previous reply from LWAB. It becomes slightly less unbelievable - but only slightly!

paddyirish · « **Reply #55 on:** 02 August, 2021, 04:26:46 pm »

Quote from: spesh on 02 August, 2021, 02:38:22 pm

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm
Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

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Brilliant - thank you for that! That was one of the all time classics. For those who haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgrX7uOZqHI, it is so worth a few minutes of your time.

robgul · « **Reply #56 on:** 02 August, 2021, 04:44:15 pm »

Quote from: rr on 02 August, 2021, 03:34:25 pm

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm
Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

Looking at the assembly manual and the photo of the break that looks likely.

Some of the commentary did suggest that the bar assembly may have been 3D printed? . . . from non-cycling stuff I've had made (admittedly made by my brother) the process isn't infallible.

spesh · « **Reply #57 on:** 02 August, 2021, 04:48:19 pm »

Quote from: rr on 02 August, 2021, 03:34:25 pm

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm
Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

Looking at the assembly manual and the photo of the break that looks likely.

Reports suggest it's not an Argon 18 cockpit set which failed, but one supplied by Bastion:

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At first, it appeared as though the cockpit in question was the stock-standard carbon base bar sold by Argon 18 with the Electron Pro track bike. However, on further inspection, it appears the cockpit is in fact the Bastion Base Bar, 3D printed out of titanium to closely mimic the same design.

The Base Bar has been removed from the Bastion website in an action that, according to reports by Cycling Weekly, was done after Porter's crash at the Izu Velodrome.

Bastion is a frame builder and manufacturer of 3D printed titanium parts, commonly using the technology for the lugs on its frames. However, in late 2019, the company announced a partnership with Cycling Australia, tasked with providing custom-moulded handlebars and aero extensions for the team's track bikes.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/australias-snapped-handlebar-3d-printed-since-removed-from-sale-reports-claim/

rr · « **Reply #58 on:** 02 August, 2021, 05:03:42 pm »

The photos of the team bikes show a variety of angles on the bars, so they are probably right, over-tightening still looks like a suspect.

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JonBuoy · « **Reply #59 on:** 02 August, 2021, 05:17:07 pm »

A timely article on the company and the technology: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/08/how-to-3d-print-titanium-with-bastion-cycles/

andyoxon · « **Reply #60 on:** 02 August, 2021, 05:43:39 pm »

Danish TP riders seem to have sparked 'medical tape gate'...

https://twitter.com/roadcc/status/1422176504784490497

Karla · « **Reply #61 on:** 02 August, 2021, 07:05:58 pm »

In other news, the Danes qualify fastest after buying the services of Dan 'I can win world cups on the back of credit card debt and huge brains' Bigham, after the Brits chucked him off the team, asked him to give his consultancy for free and wouldnt pay when he declined that offer.

Peter · « **Reply #62 on:** 02 August, 2021, 07:26:35 pm »

Looks like he took his "marginal gains" tape with him - and who could blame him?

Karla · « **Reply #63 on:** 02 August, 2021, 07:31:06 pm »

Amusingly it's basically going back to what people were doing before tripsocks were invented: back in the bad old days of 2014 you'd buy trip strips to stick to your shins before each event.

rogerzilla · « **Reply #64 on:** 02 August, 2021, 08:12:12 pm »

Quote from: Karla on 02 August, 2021, 01:16:06 pm

Okay it's time to own up guys, which Aussie mechanic overtorqued their stem bolts?

Has anyone seen LWaB recently?

Jakob · « **Reply #65 on:** 02 August, 2021, 08:46:16 pm »

Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 02 August, 2021, 11:25:08 am

Folk generally start doing big new tricks with lake jumping and foam-filled pits. Once you start reliably going in wheels first, you progress to hard surfaces.

Virtually no one does lake jumps. You don't want to use your regular bike for that, so usually it's an old beater with crappy parts.
Typical progression is foampits/airbags, then resi, then wood and then concrete (if needed).
This is a fairly good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgDN7TEamw

BXM was a bit of a joke, though. The mens field contained maybe 2 of the top 20, (Logan, Dhers), the scoring really weird.
Casing anything was severely punished (Except in Charlotte's case, but doing a first, you get away with it). Basically it got ruined once UCI got their grubby little hands on it. Matt Hoffman was involved early on, but quickly got sidelined by the suits.

A much better series is the Vans Pro CuP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBulSlB5Qjc
Creativity and risk is rewarded, rather than penalized.

Legs · « **Reply #66 on:** 03 August, 2021, 08:54:44 am »

Denmark

That should have DQ written all over it...

Jaded · « **Reply #67 on:** 03 August, 2021, 09:03:01 am »

What a shame for Ed Clancy and the pursuit team.

Extraordinary crash.

woollypigs · « **Reply #68 on:** 03 August, 2021, 09:07:25 am »

Danish news : Danish rider crashes.

Now't about him not looking where is going, yet his two team mates did.

bobb · « **Reply #69 on:** 03 August, 2021, 09:14:30 am »

Quote from: woollypigs on 03 August, 2021, 09:07:25 am

Danish news : Danish rider crashes.

Now't about him not looking where is going, yet his two team mates did.

He was being a right twat about it afterwards too!

woollypigs · « **Reply #70 on:** 03 August, 2021, 09:18:48 am »

That he was

TimC · « **Reply #71 on:** 03 August, 2021, 10:04:43 am »

The UCI have tweeted that Denmark will be in the final, despite recklessly riding into GB's third rider and verbally assaulting him. A lot of 'English diving' comments on Twitter. The UCI seem to have abandoned any attempt at integrity in these Games.

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #72 on:** 03 August, 2021, 10:09:22 am »

A pursuit is won when you catch the other team. That is pretty clear. The only question is whether GB can get through to the next round.

TimC · « **Reply #73 on:** 03 August, 2021, 10:11:54 am »

Quote from: LittleWheelsandBig on 03 August, 2021, 10:09:22 am

A pursuit is won when you catch the other team. That is pretty clear. The only question is whether GB can get through to the next round.

There is no next round. There is the final. GB don't deserve to be in the final - they did finish the race, with the slowest time of any team. Denmark don't deserve to be in the final - 'catching' the other team doesn not mean running them off the track! Italy should be given the Gold, and the other final should be for the Silver and Bronze.

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #74 on:** 03 August, 2021, 10:24:54 am »

No. The round is won when the opponent is caught. GB was definitely caught. Denmark go through to the gold/ silver final round.

The fastest two teams of everybody else, including caught teams, race for bronze/ fourth place. Do GB deserve to be in that final round?