Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => Audax => PBP => Topic started by: zigzag on 26 June, 2015, 03:48:18 pm
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pbp is one of the events where i cannot decide which type of shoes will work better overall. there is lots of riding but quite a bit of walking as walking around controls. i rode in mtb shoes four years ago, now thinking of road shoes/pedals as i prefer the feel of them when riding and have done most qualifiers wearing them. another minor benefit of road shoe/pedal setup is that they are almost 400g lighter.
which ones are you riding?
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I have a pair of (lighter) road(ier) shoes which are stiffer than my sandals, but I nearly never wear them- it's all about hotfoot minimisation on summer events. Stiffer is better, but you can't paddle in them.
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I had considered SPD sandals for the ride. But that is a big leap into the unknown and I wouldn't like to risk it without having done some good big rides in them already (I've only ever toured in them).
I'm on fixed, so MTB pedals/shoes are the only option. I hope not to walk much - I remember some sharp little ramps in the Foret de Ramboulet, but not much else that might make a fixer think about walking (though anything is possible as the legs get tired!).
I'll carry a pair of sandals to wear in hotels, around sleeping controls etc. - and for the whole 'hanging around chatting time on Saturday/Sunday'. I'm also in Paris for a couple of days afterwards, so will need something for the sight seeing etc.
I do ride in about the stiffest MTB shoe going (Bont Vaypor XC) - walking is possible, but not ever so comfy!
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When I first got a "racing bike" (dates me, no?) and was advised to get clipless pedals/shoes I went for iron-stiff shoes and clunky cleats. I hated it. Couldn't walk properly. Risk of prat-falls on any slippy surface. But saved maybe three or four seconds on a 200km ride.
I saw the light and got Time ATAC pedals and some Shimano MTB-style shoes which allowed for recessed cleats and, lo, I could walk properly again.
Now, I have a Pashley Roadster with it's ultra-high-tech er... pedal ... system. Which means I ride in good old fashioned trainers. Or in a pair of brogues when I'm commuting to work.
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I invested in some Sidi road shoes and they are like slippers.
Cleat covers to protect the Speedplay cleats.
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I've some second hand Spesh MTB shoes which are just perfick. Bought touring model of the same - bizarrely not as comfortable. Bought some Exustar sandals but seem to get hot foot in them even over short distances. Might need to shift the cleat position, but shan't be risking them in France.
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Not quite sure what you mean by touring shoe and cleats but that's what I think best describes what I used.
I used a Shimano shoe with recessed SPD cleats. They're not an MTB shoe nor a 'full on' roadie shoe. They're an RT51 I think. You can walk quite normally in them with no risk of arse over. Personally, I think you can spend enough time off the bike during PBP to warrant wearing something you can walk easily in.
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Don`t road race etc so have seen no reason for the Look / Time type cleats etc so have happily ridden in Spesh BG carbon soled MTB shoes for years now, good stiff shoes but also can walk easily in them, must have walked miles and miles on road / tracks over the years; 8 years old and still holding together :thumbsup:
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This is an easy one. SPD sandals are really comfy both on and off the bike. No socks if hot, seal skin socks if wet, neoprene overshoes if cold. All qualifiers except the icy cold Willy Warmer have been completed in them, as was LEL 2013, so it's tried and tested
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Carbon soled MTB shoes. I'll also have very lightweight shoes, these http://www.merrell.com/UK/en_GB/vapor-glove-2/17572M.html?dwvar_17572M_color=J03911#cgid=mens-footwear-shoes&start=1 for when I'm off the bike for a period and need to wander round.
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i did a longish ride in mtb shoes (carbon soled s-works) today and definitely decided to ride pbp in road shoes, which are better ventilated and feel more stable with no float. i used to like floating cleats few years ago, but now that i found a perfect position i prefer cleats that stay put in the pedal.
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I was intending to use my racing shoes with Look cleats but I've changed my mind after having shin splints a couple of months ago. They were most likely caused by walking around the controls on a 300 on big cleats.
I'm now planning to go back to SPDs, and will most likely use the same shoes as I used last time. I'll take touring pedals with a large platform to spread some of the load and the option to unclip and ride on the other side of the pedal, for changes of foot position and pressure point.
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First PBP in '99 was on Shimano MTB shoes - by 800km, I could definitely 'feel' that postage stamped size cleat on the ball of my foot - VERY uncomfortable indeed!
In later years, I switched to Canac MTB shoes, which had a removable cleat-plate attachment that spread the load better (but at an increased stack height).
In 2004, I switched to road shoes and pedals (Sidi / Look)and have never (no pun intended) looked back!
You get a far increased contact area, and a lower stack height. Sure, on an event like PBP, you may well sacrifice a set of cleats walking at the controls, it is a small sacrifice for a ride that happens only every four years.
Normally, I change my cleats one time per season.
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I'll take touring pedals with a large platform to spread some of the load and the option to unclip and ride on the other side of the pedal, for changes of foot position and pressure point.
That's what I have too. I think you need to think of comfort on the bike as much as off when it comes to shoes/pedals.
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First PBP in '99 was on Shimano MTB shoes - by 800km, I could definitely 'feel' that postage stamped size cleat on the ball of my foot - VERY uncomfortable indeed!
In later years, I switched to Canac MTB shoes, which had a removable cleat-plate attachment that spread the load better (but at an increased stack height).
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i rode in mtb shoes (spesh touring) last time but with speedplay frog pedals, which have low stack and wider cleat (compared to spd's). feet felt ok, no issues, but i agree that on the bike road shoes are definitely better. off the bike - i only have a problem walking on loose gravel and wet floors in them - just need to be more careful.
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Giro MTB shoes and speedplay frogs.
I now have some race shoes and speedplay zeroes, but I wouldn't want to use on an audax due to the walking around controls part. This is magnified on PBP due to the distances walked between control/feed/dormitories.
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Got me some new leather Rapha road shoes at an incredibly good "Not to be Missed" price, so I shall be wearing them.
They're based on the giro shoes I wear anyway, so it won't be a problem and I'm looking forward to the real leather uppers as opposed to the synthetic Giro ones I have at the moment. Combined with Dura Ace carbon pedals and a pair of spangly new "quick on the draw" flip-flops for the walking and loafing in.
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Are those the ones made from yak leather?
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New shoes are nice ;D to ride in---just unboxed my pair half price Spesh BG carbon soled MTB shoes, cleats easy to set up exactly as previous pair with detailed markings on sole, and after a 100km outing they felt great nice; and shiny white too to match nice and shiny white K wing bars ::-) :thumbsup:
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Are those the ones made from yak leather?
That's what the marketing twonks say, yes.
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They`ve obviously run out of yaks now ;D as latest Rapha Climber / GT shoes are shown as `artificial leather`
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It's a shame there isn't a separate option for Hush Puppies.
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Your a sandals man Salvatore?
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I am indeed . And without socks unless it's really really hot.
But I just thought that Hush Puppies should get a mention to acknowledge their place in the history of PBP and their pivotal role in the foundation of AUK.
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Carnac SPD road shoes & MTB pedals.
Tried Shimano sandals a couple of years ago, but their sizes go up by twos. A 42 left my toes overhanging the sole, the 44 had the internal lumps in the wrong places. And they were as heavy as hell, heavier than my road shoes.
Found this:
(http://www.velotaf.com/photos/news/mediums/1279713575.jpg) (http://www.velotaf.com/article/2803/essai-les-sandales-keen-commuter)
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The subtle difference between "road shoes and pedals" and "mtb shoes and pedals" is too subtle for me. I wear shimano spd sandals, but would consider them as road shoes. Sandals on a mountain bike aren't a good combination when your toes get pelted with pebbles.
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Road shoes + pedals = Look/SPD SL/Time Xpresso/Speedplay(?- I'd class these as road)
MTB shoes + pedals = Time ATAC/SPD
Road shoes have the cleat proud of the shoe (except speedplays, I suppose) whereas MTB cleats can be much more recessed.
It's about how easily you can walk in them.
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I'll take touring pedals with a large platform to spread some of the load and the option to unclip and ride on the other side of the pedal, for changes of foot position and pressure point.
I'll have Shimano sandals and will change to pedals with flat on one side, cleats on the other. The 600k was done in Shimano sandals and when I had hotfoot I moved the cleats as far forward as possible so the toes flexed every so slightly at every turn of the pedal. I hope the flat side of the pedal will allow me to put the heel on the pedal should hotfoot return.
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Reviving an old thread seeking advice.
Just spontaneously bought a pair of Giro Republic LXR shoes (https://www.cyclesurgery.com/p/giro-mens-republic-lxr-O1214026.html) yesterday after wandering into Cycle Surgery and [surprisingly] being overly impressed with the salesman.
Three afterthoughts:
(i) (laces) difficulty in attaching my wahoo cadence sensor (which I don't like to use unless I am on a long weekend ride / as opposed to commuting / in order to save battery life);
(ii) (laces) annoying to put on / take off;
(iii) (cleat clearance) a couple reviews say that there is not enough space between the tread and the sides of the cleats; one guy took a sharp knife to the tread to carve out sufficient room. Is it possible these customers just don't know how to properly clip in? Surprised Giro would design a shoe which didn't work with the pedal it was designed for. I am moving to Shimano SPDs from Time Atacs (as I believe the rails on the Atacs are putting too much focused pressure on the balls of my feet, causing pain).
Other than that they seem really good (!) and I haven't been able to find a pair of shoes with good reviews that are good quality, 2 bolt, composite or carbon sole, and with velcro straps. I am upgrading my very very old mavic pulses (https://www.google.com/search?q=mavic+pulse+shoes&rlz=1C1GCEU_en-GBGB837GB837&oq=mavic+pulse+shoes&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j69i60l2.2620j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) - the goal of the project is to eliminate hot foot - the balls of my feet feel like they are on fire / digging into the bones.
If anyone has any recommendations I'd love to hear them. Also keen to buy from a shop (London) as don't want to waste time ordering something that doesn't fit and having to return it. I am also considering socking out for some Shimano SPD sandals, but would be keen to have a pair of shoes as well.
Tall order!
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If anyone has any recommendations I'd love to hear them.
I had a pair of the "womens" version of these Giro shoes a few years ago. I loved them. I use a cadence meter on my crank arm so that isn't an issue. I have never found laces an issue, and cleat clearance was fine. I never had to cut out bits of the sole.
However. The reason I eventually gave up on these shoes is that the removable pads on the sole are really... rubbish. They wear down incredibly quickly. I was getting through a set every 3 months or something, just from walking to where I park my bike in the mornings to my office. I stopped buying the pads and just wore the soles down so much that I couldn't remove them to replace them.
I tried a few other pairs of shoes but have eventually settled on dhb's Dorica (MTB version). So comfy, have had hardly any issues. I like them so much I bought an identical pair for when these ones are battered enough to chuck. They do a velcro version called the Troika as well (but obviously look less classy than the laces).
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(i) (laces) difficulty in attaching my wahoo cadence sensor (which I don't like to use unless I am on a long weekend ride / as opposed to commuting / in order to save battery life);
Can you not attach it to the crank arm?
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Shimano RT500 (https://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-rt500-road-shoes/) for me — this is Shimano's current, fast-touring shoe with MTB cleat and walkable sole. They have reflective bits visible from all around, with a large patch high on the heel. Shimano size 43 fits me off the shelf every time :thumbsup:
I wore them through the winter with Merino-wool socks (DeFeet Woollie Boollies), and now I'm wearing them in the summer, but with micro-socks (GripGrab). And I don't think I've ever suffered from hotfoot.
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(iii) (cleat clearance) a couple reviews say that there is not enough space between the tread and the sides of the cleats; one guy took a sharp knife to the tread to carve out sufficient room. Is it possible these customers just don't know how to properly clip in?
It could just be that they need their cleats close to the edge - I've had this issue before (though not with Giro shoes) because I have weird feet and need my left cleat in particular at an angle rather than facing directly forward.
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road shoes for me - they worked well previously, therefore no reason to change
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I have road shoes plus three-to-two-bolt adapters for SPDs, which might help tick all of your boxes. It works surprisingly well, although you do have to relearn how to walk.
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I had a pair of the "womens" version of these Giro shoes a few years ago. I loved them. I use a cadence meter on my crank arm so that isn't an issue. I have never found laces an issue, and cleat clearance was fine. I never had to cut out bits of the sole.
However. The reason I eventually gave up on these shoes is that the removable pads on the sole are really... rubbish. They wear down incredibly quickly. I was getting through a set every 3 months or something, just from walking to where I park my bike in the mornings to my office. I stopped buying the pads and just wore the soles down so much that I couldn't remove them to replace them.
I tried a few other pairs of shoes but have eventually settled on dhb's Dorica (MTB version). So comfy, have had hardly any issues. I like them so much I bought an identical pair for when these ones are battered enough to chuck. They do a velcro version called the Troika as well (but obviously look less classy than the laces).
Thanks Niki - you don't find the lack of tread on the dhb's annoying to walk around without?
And my Giro's don't appear to have this removable pad on the sole you speak of, only a removable insole.
(i) (laces) difficulty in attaching my wahoo cadence sensor (which I don't like to use unless I am on a long weekend ride / as opposed to commuting / in order to save battery life);
Can you not attach it to the crank arm?
I could, but hence my comment about wanting to save battery / replacing the battery more often than I need to (sensor sits in a drawer during the week when I am commuting). Unless I am missing something and the sensor is smart enough not to turn on when it doesn't detect my Wahoo operating nearby (which I assumed it wasn't as it blinks just by moving it). Just trying to be green and save waste! Will end up doing this if I decide to stick with the lace-ups.
Shimano RT500 (https://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-rt500-road-shoes/) for me — this is Shimano's current, fast-touring shoe with MTB cleat and walkable sole. They have reflective bits visible from all around, with a large patch high on the heel. Shimano size 43 fits me off the shelf every time :thumbsup:
I wore them through the winter with Merino-wool socks (DeFeet Woollie Boollies), and now I'm wearing them in the summer, but with micro-socks (GripGrab). And I don't think I've ever suffered from hotfoot.
Yup, that looks like what I should have been sold. Ugh.. decisions decisions. Will need to order a pair online and compare fit. Did you order 0.5 size bigger than normal as I have read on Wiggle?
(iii) (cleat clearance) a couple reviews say that there is not enough space between the tread and the sides of the cleats; one guy took a sharp knife to the tread to carve out sufficient room. Is it possible these customers just don't know how to properly clip in?
It could just be that they need their cleats close to the edge - I've had this issue before (though not with Giro shoes) because I have weird feet and need my left cleat in particular at an angle rather than facing directly forward.
Yeah I suppose that could be it. Thanks. Will watch that on install.
I have road shoes plus three-to-two-bolt adapters for SPDs, which might help tick all of your boxes. It works surprisingly well, although you do have to relearn how to walk.
Almost, but not the "good to walk in" box! i.e. no tread on road shoes.
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(i) (laces) difficulty in attaching my wahoo cadence sensor (which I don't like to use unless I am on a long weekend ride / as opposed to commuting / in order to save battery life);
Can you not attach it to the crank arm?
I could, but hence my comment about wanting to save battery / replacing the battery more often than I need to (sensor sits in a drawer during the week when I am commuting). Unless I am missing something and the sensor is smart enough not to turn on when it doesn't detect my Wahoo operating nearby (which I assumed it wasn't as it blinks just by moving it). Just trying to be green and save waste! Will end up doing this if I decide to stick with the lace-ups.
If it's the same RPM sensor as I've got, I'm reasonably sure it's awake and transmitting whenever it detects motion, so yeah. Mine's on a fast bike that only gets used for proper rides (the others have wired computers), so it's not a problem, but I can imagine it gets through batteries at a fair rate if you're commuting on it.
(I was assuming this was a PBP discussion, where attaching the sensor to the crank would make sense from a 'one less thing to think about' viewpoint.)
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If it's the same RPM sensor as I've got, I'm reasonably sure it's awake and transmitting whenever it detects motion, so yeah. Mine's on a fast bike that only gets used for proper rides (the others have wired computers), so it's not a problem, but I can imagine it gets through batteries at a fair rate if you're commuting on it.
(I was assuming this was a PBP discussion, where attaching the sensor to the crank would make sense from a 'one less thing to think about' viewpoint.)
I have the Wahoo cadence sensor, using it for commuting, lots of long rides, tours, audaxes etc... I replace the battery 2.5 times a year. Ditto the Speed sensor.
J
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road shoes with a pair of ultra light folding vivo barefoot shoes in the bag for walking
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Shimano SPD sandals of course !
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Hotfoot led me to reject recessed cleats. Full on road cleats for me.
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It would make sense to continue with the shoes that you find most comfortable.
Im taking some light weight scuba shoes from decathlon. £4
There's probably a lot of walking at Rambouillet
I'll walk less on the ride now that the controls are more familiar to me..I could take my Giro SPD's but I tend to keep them on too long when walking and then they get uncomfortable.
So ill stick with my giro road cleats and use my scuba slippers this time.
🙂
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Shimano RT500 (https://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-rt500-road-shoes/) for me — this is Shimano's current, fast-touring shoe with MTB cleat and walkable sole. They have reflective bits visible from all around, with a large patch high on the heel. Shimano size 43 fits me off the shelf every time :thumbsup:
I wore them through the winter with Merino-wool socks (DeFeet Woollie Boollies), and now I'm wearing them in the summer, but with micro-socks (GripGrab). And I don't think I've ever suffered from hotfoot.
Yup, that looks like what I should have been sold. Ugh.. decisions decisions. Will need to order a pair online and compare fit. Did you order 0.5 size bigger than normal as I have read on Wiggle?
Nope, it's always Shimano 43 for me. Fits as well as any other Shimano shoe I've bought. And all my other normal shoes, trainers, etc., are size 43s too.
I might have a pair of boxed, unused 42s that I ordered at the same time to verify sizing and forgot to return somewhere around here ...
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I wear 42s in almost everything except shimano which are 43.
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I wear 42s in almost everything except shimano which are 43.
+1
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Shimano RT500 (https://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-rt500-road-shoes/) for me — this is Shimano's current, fast-touring shoe with MTB cleat and walkable sole. They have reflective bits visible from all around, with a large patch high on the heel. Shimano size 43 fits me off the shelf every time :thumbsup:
I wore them through the winter with Merino-wool socks (DeFeet Woollie Boollies), and now I'm wearing them in the summer, but with micro-socks (GripGrab). And I don't think I've ever suffered from hotfoot.
Yup, that looks like what I should have been sold. Ugh.. decisions decisions. Will need to order a pair online and compare fit. Did you order 0.5 size bigger than normal as I have read on Wiggle?
Nope, it's always Shimano 43 for me. Fits as well as any other Shimano shoe I've bought. And all my other normal shoes, trainers, etc., are size 43s too.
I might have a pair of boxed, unused 42s that I ordered at the same time to verify sizing and forgot to return somewhere around here ...
Ta mate. If that was an offer to sell I am a size 46 unfortunately! Appreciate it though.
Thanks everyone else for the bespoke advice.
Wrt to the wahoo battery - I have not replaced mine since buying the whole unit in October so happy to keep going saving the planet one CR2032 at a time! If I can help it.
On taking an extra pair of lightweight shoes - great idea - I will likely just bring a pair of light sandals. These will likely be stored in a light drawstring bag I can then throw my shoes into, and any other important stuff, off the bike.
Upon the seat tube strap tearing on my bought-this-past-April Brooks Millbrook Saddlebag (FYI, never buy) (https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/millbrook-saddle-holdall-3.html), next thing I need to um and ah about is what size/brand saddle pack to buy (https://www.apidura.com/shop/expedition-saddle-pack/) ... and then of course the dynamo system.
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Hi Mark, as said, you will be walking about a lot at controls, IMHO SPD type shoes make sense, but really, wear whatever you are comfortable with.
Sidi Dominator MTB shoes, footbeds and thick woolly socks for me.
Eagerly awaiting the 'toe-nail' advice............
And, sort those lights out, you will need them early mornings.
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The only time I've had something like hotfoot was wearing "touring" shoes that are bendy
Since switching to super stiff shoes I've not had this as a problem
I have some Specialized MTB "Comp" which aren't actually Carbon they are the next grade down
Also use shock absorbing insoles. Stuff about feet on the blog https://audaxing.wordpress.com/2014/07/04/happy-feet/
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^^^^ this - stiff soles are the key to comfort over long distance. As to the rest, wear whatever worked for you on your qualifiers. No need to change just for PBP.
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Shimano SPD sandals of course !
For me, this works best. With socks when it's dark enough to get away with it :)
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^^^^ this - stiff soles are the key to comfort over long distance. As to the rest, wear whatever worked for you on your qualifiers. No need to change just for PBP.
A few times this has been mentioned. I fully appreciate and practise that as general advice but the point is my current setup most definitely has not worked on my qualifiers and I anticipate myself being in real pain over such a distance of I don’t do something about it. Plenty of rides between then and now to test. RT500s ordered, testing begins Monday.
Cheers all!
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Shimano SPD sandals of course !
For me, this works best. With socks when it's dark enough to get away with it :)
XD
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^^^^ this - stiff soles are the key to comfort over long distance. As to the rest, wear whatever worked for you on your qualifiers. No need to change just for PBP.
A few times this has been mentioned. I fully appreciate and practise that as general advice but the point is my current setup most definitely has not worked on my qualifiers and I anticipate myself being in real pain over such a distance of I don’t do something about it. Plenty of rides between then and now to test. RT500s ordered, testing begins Monday.
Cheers all!
Take your shoes off when stopped for any appreciable time. This also helps a lot as well as the distances climb.
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P.S. Shouldn't this be in the PBB sub forum?
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P.S. Shouldn't this be in the PBB sub forum?
Think it's a more general issue so best kept on the main board, imo.
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I’ve been using dhb mtb SPD shoes for all of cycling for the last five years and found them really comfortable. This thread reminded me that I later bought a pair of dhb road shoes and Shimano SPD SL pedals. Yesterday I found them in the loft, fitted the cleats and pedals and went for a test ride. I only did 20km but they felt just as comfortable as the mtb ones. I’m hoping to use them for a DIY 200km this weekend and if that goes well I’ll wear them for the 24 hour TT next weekend. There is a 230g weight saving using the road pedal/shoe combo and I like the idea of the larger contact area given by SPD SL so all being well road shoes are looking likely for PBP. I don’t do much walking on PBP anyway as I tend to bounce most of the controls.
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Do you have to take your shoes off at any of the controls like we had to at LEL?
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Do you have to take your shoes off at any of the controls like we had to at LEL?
On PBP — no.
In schools where they have to prevent damage to the floors, they put down a protective layer, right the way through. The rest are tiled.
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I like the idea of the larger contact area given by SPD SL so all being well road shoes are looking likely for PBP.
Consider bringing spare cleats for PBP, or renewing them at the start - SPD SLs have a half-life measured in nano-SPDs.
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Im taking some light weight scuba shoes from decathlon. £4
Took me a little while to find them, as they are in the Snorkel Aqua Shoes category:
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/aquashoes-50-dark-grey-id_8330684.html
And actually £5 :P
Although I'll probably stick to using some 'hotel slippers' that I got free earlier this year, rather than the aqua shoe upgrade.
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Do you have to take your shoes off at any of the controls like we had to at LEL?
On PBP — no.
In schools where they have to prevent damage to the floors, they put down a protective layer, right the way through. The rest are tiled.
We had to take shoes off at Brest when we went to the lav. I’ve no idea why - unless it was mop up other riders’ urine. It wasn’t a highlight of the event for me !
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I rode 2013 LEL in Specialized TAHOE MTB shoes - SPD cleats, endured "Hot-foot" symptoms to the point of agony & almost in tears after 600km, but I'd had no bother on previous SR with same set-up ? really was agony & almost to the point of quitting longer rides over 400km
By 2107 LEL I'd switched (over course of time ) to Specialized SPD Touring shoes, but added specialised green coloured insoles ( with metatarsal buttons ) & I'd moved cleats right to rear of slots in shoes - Result was very minimal Hot-foot
2018 - I rode PAP 1200km "Down Under" but had switched to Specialized "Comp" racing shoes with 3-bolt "Look" type SL cleats - again slid right to rear of shoes & kept green insoles - with no hot-foot at all.
For me , my Hot-foot cure is = cleats slid right to back of shoes & green coloured Specialized insoles - plus up one shoe size for cycling shoes.
@ controls the shoes come off & I'll walk round in socks whether need to or not.
Hope this helps..
T
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I completed the Inverness 1200 last weekend, I used road shoes with look cleats, I found of the two things that were bothering me at the end was my feet and my hands so my advice would be whatever option you decide to go for make sure you have a good toe box to allow your feet to expand perhaps going up half a size than you would normally need.
Enjoy PBP :thumbsup:
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We had to take shoes off at Brest when we went to the lav. I’ve no idea why - unless it was mop up other riders’ urine. It wasn’t a highlight of the event for me !
I don't recall that. I do recall, though, that the gents' toilets at Brest were memorable for the wrong reasons ... the toilets in the excellent restaurant were much better.
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Having same dilema these days since I'm having hot foot and numbness in my current SPD shoes. Decided to find more suitable, wider shoes and stay on SPD since it is much easier to walk. As is seems I will go with Lake MX237-X shoes.
Shimano RT5 was also in consideration but find few reviews that they are not that wide :/
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Meanwhile... at the office.
(https://i.ibb.co/6BTMszN/CC007676-510-F-4-B29-AE2-C-1-AECED77-CCE7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bJC0dT7)
Funny - the velcro straps are too wide to fit the Wahoo velcro mount!
EDIT: after wearing them both for a couple hours I have reached a determination of which is more comfortable but I am not going to share as shoes truly are not one-size fits all. Everyone's feet are different but we should probably all agree that there is no other way to test shoes out other than to buy them, sit in them, and expect to return them (without the benefit of actually clipping in).
I would recommend however to order two pairs in different sizes. You could go extreme and order three. Just have to swallow the return shipping charges (or not if you live near an ASDA ;) ). Then sit in your chair of choice and let your feet acclimatise to them. Feel for pinch points, discomfort, as I presume those will likely amplify to a degree when in use. Alternatively I could be wrong and maybe we should expect a degree of "wear-in" to relieve those pinch points.