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Title: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: rogerzilla on January 02, 2021, 07:25:14 am
Presumably mice (how do they get up there, past a house with two marauding moggies?).

What does the panel recommend?  Traps, or send Dumpy Cat up there for an hour?  I think Tigs' axle loading is too high for the plasterboard.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Pedal Castro on January 02, 2021, 07:45:23 am
We had this for a few years. It was birds nesting, obvious as it was seasonal. We blocked the hole in the facia board with stuffing insulation wool from the inside initially, then eventually replaced the facia and soffit boards last year.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: ElyDave on January 02, 2021, 09:43:16 am
They do not need a big hole, something g the size of a pencil is enough, and then they can get up through the wall cavity.

Get yourself some traps, bait with peanut butter, put them around the outside edge of the loft, if you can see droppings already, that's a good starting point.

Then walk around the outside of the house looking for holes.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Jaded on January 02, 2021, 09:57:40 am
Is there a square hole cut in the ceiling, and do you occasionally fear that you are being watched?
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: rogerzilla on January 02, 2021, 10:12:00 am
Is there a square hole cut in the ceiling, and do you occasionally fear that you are being watched?
Only during "executive time".
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: T42 on January 02, 2021, 10:36:31 am
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: andrewc on January 02, 2021, 12:01:17 pm
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=111344.0        They've had no more rat incursions, so that particular colony / family must have died or moved on.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: ElyDave on January 02, 2021, 01:43:22 pm
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.

My first house had swifts nesting every year. Fucking noisy little buggers, I think they wore clogs or something.
Amazing watching them fledge though, they just sat on the gutter and leapt off, cue blurs passing the living room window vertically. Watching them pull up about 6" off the ground and then fly over to line up on the overhead lines was quite a sight.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Kim on January 02, 2021, 01:56:33 pm
It might be squirrels... :jurek:
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Jaded on January 02, 2021, 02:04:42 pm
No, that really does sound like swifts, squirrels can't fly  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: T42 on January 02, 2021, 02:12:11 pm
They're OK on the vertical bit, it's the pulling up that needs work.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Wobbly John on January 02, 2021, 02:17:17 pm
Squirrels have no problem ascending vertical brickwork. We had one in our loft a few years ago.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on January 02, 2021, 02:31:34 pm
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Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: PaulF on January 02, 2021, 04:08:00 pm
I’m really sorry I’ll try to be quieter in future.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on January 02, 2021, 04:46:13 pm
might be 'lesser spotted Wuhan Sparrows'   :o

seriously though, if you have airbricks, this will be their Brexit border post. get some wirewool, tear off small bits and push into airbrick holes, mice can't chew it, but still get ventialtion, then exterminate the little bastar  critters.  Local council 'mouse man' will have some goodly small blue pellets, that will make them 'sleepy sleep, long time'. Be prepared for a bad smell for a few days tho.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Basil on January 02, 2021, 06:11:09 pm
Just cross your fingers that it's not pipistrelles or similar. You're not allowed to do anything about it.
When we had our roof done I told them that if they came across anything that looked like bat poo, then it definitely wasn't and I didn't want to be told about it.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Wowbagger on January 02, 2021, 06:21:44 pm
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.

My first house had swifts nesting every year. Fucking noisy little buggers, I think they wore clogs or something.
Amazing watching them fledge though, they just sat on the gutter and leapt off, cue blurs passing the living room window vertically. Watching them pull up about 6" off the ground and then fly over to line up on the overhead lines was quite a sight.

Are you sure that was swifts and not swallows/martins? Once swifts (different family) fledge, it's said that they spend 3 or 4 years on the wing until they are ready to breed and then only stop flying to assemble a nest, lay eggs and feed young.

Swifts are noisy buggers too though.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Mrs Pingu on January 02, 2021, 06:55:31 pm
As a cat owner I'd be inclined to go the spring trap route rather than poison.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Mr Larrington on January 02, 2021, 07:07:07 pm
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.

My first house had swifts nesting every year. Fucking noisy little buggers, I think they wore clogs or something.
Amazing watching them fledge though, they just sat on the gutter and leapt off, cue blurs passing the living room window vertically. Watching them pull up about 6" off the ground and then fly over to line up on the overhead lines was quite a sight.

Are you sure that was swifts and not swallows/martins? Once swifts (different family) fledge, it's said that they spend 3 or 4 years on the wing until they are ready to breed and then only stop flying to assemble a nest, lay eggs and feed young.

Swifts are noisy buggers too though.

African or European?

(Flees before the Python Police show up)
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: PaulF on January 02, 2021, 07:32:33 pm
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.

My first house had swifts nesting every year. Fucking noisy little buggers, I think they wore clogs or something.
Amazing watching them fledge though, they just sat on the gutter and leapt off, cue blurs passing the living room window vertically. Watching them pull up about 6" off the ground and then fly over to line up on the overhead lines was quite a sight.

Are you sure that was swifts and not swallows/martins? Once swifts (different family) fledge, it's said that they spend 3 or 4 years on the wing until they are ready to breed and then only stop flying to assemble a nest, lay eggs and feed young.

Swifts are noisy buggers too though.

African or European?

(Flees before the Python Police show up)


Nah! It’s spelt fleas :) and they wouldn’t make that much noise. ;D
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: ElyDave on January 03, 2021, 07:03:02 am
Mice, birds or rats - depends how countrified you are.  We have a population of sparrows and the odd blackbird living in our eaves.

My first house had swifts nesting every year. Fucking noisy little buggers, I think they wore clogs or something.
Amazing watching them fledge though, they just sat on the gutter and leapt off, cue blurs passing the living room window vertically. Watching them pull up about 6" off the ground and then fly over to line up on the overhead lines was quite a sight.

Are you sure that was swifts and not swallows/martins? Once swifts (different family) fledge, it's said that they spend 3 or 4 years on the wing until they are ready to breed and then only stop flying to assemble a nest, lay eggs and feed young.

Swifts are noisy buggers too though.

Could have been either, but they were an annual, noisy ocurrence
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: rogerzilla on January 03, 2021, 07:06:54 am
I wouldn't mind bats.  Mice can do seriously chewy damage though.  I wonder how many are stupid enough to walk into a humane trap at once?  I can release them a good (human) walk away.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on January 03, 2021, 09:35:35 am
Thing is, humane traps, aren't.  Mice have nearly always got a brood on the go, so take out mummy and daddy mouse, and all the little Mickeys starve to death.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: T42 on January 03, 2021, 09:59:40 am
We had a mouse invasion a year ago.  Dunno what the mice around here had been eating, but they learnt how to avoid traps very quickly. We used humane traps at first, and each new style caught exactly one mouse before they stayed clear of them. Same went for snap traps. We tried peanut butter, parrot seed and umpteen other baits to no avail.  In the end we resorted to poison and got the lot.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Blodwyn Pig on January 03, 2021, 10:02:34 am
^^^. They take the poison back to the nest , and they all munch till bedtime. zzzzz
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: asterix on January 09, 2021, 10:23:50 am
Thing is, humane traps, aren't.  Mice have nearly always got a brood on the go, so take out mummy and daddy mouse, and all the little Mickeys starve to death.

We had mice in France.  Our neighbours were profligate with chicken food and the mouse population exploded, probably literally in some cases.  Heck of a job catching but I used humane traps because spring traps are inefficient and can severely injure a mouse giving it a slow painful death.

We never got rid of them until the neighbours moved on. Their landlord was shocked by the state of the house that was full of mouse nests and droppings in heaps.  Cats were only useful in confirming the mice were there and possibly under which bit of furniture..
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: pcolbeck on January 10, 2021, 09:46:18 am
Cats were only useful in confirming the mice were there and possibly under which bit of furniture..

Depends on the cat. Our previous two moggies would just look at birds or mice and wonder what the hell they were supposed to do then lose interest and wander off. Our current little madam came from a litter of semi feral barn kittens and though tiny she will kill anything right up to rats. Never had a rodent in the garage or house since we got her (other than dead ones). Or rather did as she is 17 now and not so keen on hunting as her eyesight seems to be fading and more and more she prefers a warm cushion to patrolling the boundaries.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: ian on January 11, 2021, 10:53:13 am
Ours have mostly given up catching stuff. But when they did, they mostly brought their rodent catch into the house and let it go. Whereupon it would run-off somewhere uncatchable because it was very much not dead.

The traps never really worked, I'd mostly poke them out with a feather dusty and catch them by hand as they dart along the skirting board. I have laser reflexes, go for the tail and hold on.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: pcolbeck on January 11, 2021, 11:39:30 am
My Dad told me a tale from when he was in the army in Aden in the early 60s. They had a rat problem in the roof of the mess. They also had a camp cat, a big stray tom that the soldiers had adopted and fed. They opened the hatch to the roof and put the cat in. The rats killed the cat.
Title: What animal is in my loft?
Post by: velosam on January 14, 2021, 02:06:51 pm
I recently heard some noises up in my loft.  With much trepidation I climbed up there to have a look.

Most of it seemed intact except for one box, which had been wrapped in plastic.  The plastic had been gnawed at and there was a pile of insulation, covered with some paper and plastic on one corner of the loft.

There is no rat poo or anything near the boarded bit of the loft. However I suspect it may well be rats - how do i find out?

Is the best option to get a couple of traps and see what happens?

thanks
Title: Re: What animal is in my loft?
Post by: Jaded on January 14, 2021, 02:09:17 pm
It could be rogerzilla's?
Title: Re: What animal is in my loft?
Post by: Russell on January 14, 2021, 02:25:55 pm
Most likely meece.  This is where a trail cam would be usful!
Title: Re: What animal is in my loft?
Post by: velosam on January 14, 2021, 02:40:35 pm
Whats best to use - small traps, rat poison?

I think its in one corner and there is no way I will be able to climb up the wall to get to the fascia.

I think its because I have a compost bin now and have added eggs shells, which I should not have done!

I seem to hear squeaking all the time now!

Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Ben T on January 15, 2021, 08:54:51 am
I can recommend NOT using poison.
My experience of it is that the mouse doesn't just eat it there and then, and drop down dead nice and cleanly on the spot.
They distribute it around and horde it in any nooks and crannies that might be there. Storing any suitcases in the loft? Expect the pockets to be full of rat poison. Anything with any sort of cavity will have rat poison deposited in it. In my case it was a golf bag that didn't have all the pockets zipped up. For weeks whenever I reached in there for a tee I'd be feeling these little green pellets.

As well as that, you don't know whether it's worked or not. The mouse could have died somewhere, but you don't know where.

Humane traps are ok, but make sure you check them regularly - otherwise they cease to be humane. I once found one with a mouse in it that hadn't died from the trap, but that had since died anyway of either old age, starvation, or anaphylactic shock from the high grade peanut butter used as bait.
Apparently if you find one with a live mouse in it you are supposed to set it free at least a mile away otherwise it will find its way back.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: tiermat on January 15, 2021, 08:59:38 am
I can recommend NOT using poison.

In a house, most definately not use poison, have you ever smelt what a rotting rodent? Pound to a pinch of shit it'll die somewhere where you can smell it in every part of the house but you can't get at!

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Apparently if you find one with a live mouse in it you are supposed to set it free at least a mile away otherwise it will find its way back.

The fuckers have GPS now, so best putting them on a plane to somewhere forrin, otherwise they'll still find their way back :D
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Davef on January 15, 2021, 09:41:29 am
Humane traps are ok, ...
Apparently if you find one with a live mouse in it you are supposed to set it free at least a mile away otherwise it will find its way back.
Setting it free to starve or freeze seems callous. Post it through your neighbours letter box.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: velosam on January 15, 2021, 11:46:28 am
I dont think its mice as I heard nothing last night.

Maybe squirrels?
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on January 18, 2021, 11:57:10 am
We had squirrels in the loft this time last year. They can climb the outside of a house with ease. They chewed the soffit to make a hole and then came in and left wee and droppings everywhere.

I hate killing things, but I also hated the thought that they might chew something they shouldn't (there is wiring and pipes/the boiler etc up there) and didn't much enjoy our belongings being pooed on either. Nor did we like being woken up at 3am by the scrabbling and jumping about. They ripped up a fair bit of loft insulation to make a nest. Apparently you have to get them out, ahem, properly, before blocking the hole as otherwise they just chew another one if they are determined to get back in.

We got in pest control. First they tried traps as this is the most humane method as it usually kills them quickly. They completely ignored these for some weeks, peanut butter made no difference. I would ideally have liked to try humane traps but it is illegal to release a grey squirrel in the uk, and probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

So very reluctantly we let them use poison. I'm not proud of this because I know it's a cruel way to die and I feel very guilty about it. Pest control said they were unlikely to die in the loft, but at least one did (in a visible location so it could be removed). We repaired the holes and now lay in bed feeling paranoid at every little sound in case it means they're back. There's still some poison up there.

Pest control said we should get rid of the bird feeders (even the squirrel proof one ended up with loads of seed on the floor from the birds pulling out seeds they didn't like) though I kept some fat ball holders with cages around them as these don't make much mess.

Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Pingu on January 18, 2021, 12:04:15 pm
You could try a single seed, e.g. sunflower hearts, rather than mixed seed in the bird feeders. The mixed ones tend to contain cheap filler which many birds don't like.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: Notsototalnewbie on January 18, 2021, 05:31:29 pm
You could try a single seed, e.g. sunflower hearts, rather than mixed seed in the bird feeders. The mixed ones tend to contain cheap filler which many birds don't like.

Thanks, I may try this. They were being fed on a premium 'no waste' one but it obviously lied as the floor was always covered in seed.
Title: Re: Scrabbling noises at night in the loft
Post by: rogerzilla on January 19, 2021, 07:34:54 am
My parents used to catch squirrels in humane traps, drive several miles to the nearby common and release them.  Technically this is illegal (if you trap a live squirrel, you must kill it or keep it as a pet forever) but I'm sure the squirrels saw it as a better option.