Yet Another Cycling Forum
General Category => The Knowledge => Ctrl-Alt-Del => Topic started by: Jaded on 03 February, 2021, 05:54:23 pm
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I have a Teams meeting next week and it won't work on OSX, I get a restart message in a loop... I'm told to try the online version. If I try in Safari I am told it won't work in Safari.
I imagined there was a reason why they hadn't installed it with Orifice365. Is it because it is ****?
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Interesting because the software works on my Mac on OS X Mojave.
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The Teams app works on both my Macbooks (it's a fact of modern life that I'm sometimes in two meetings simultaneously).
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Works on my Chromebook, and my Samsung phone, also Mdm Flatus's Mac.
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Seems to work OK on my colleagues' Appley things.
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
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Did you mean OS X? If so, thats probably the answer. Apple dropped support for El Capitan, the last version of OS X in 2019. So it seems unlikely that third parties like Microsoft would support it.
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My old Macbook Air (mid-2011 edition) that I use for meetings I don't care about runs macOS High Sierra. Doesn't even struggle with Teams and multiple video streams, even the fan rarely bothers to wake up.
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Did you mean OS X? If so, thats probably the answer. Apple dropped support for El Capitan, the last version of OS X in 2019. So it seems unlikely that third parties like Microsoft would support it.
The last version of OSX was Catalina, and the one before that Mojave, then High Sierra, then Sierra, and then El Capitan.
Big Sur is the first version of OSII or whatever it is called and no I didn't mean OSX but it's a term of the OS that is stuck in my head! (It's a bit like calling Windows Windpipe or WindScreen)
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It's fine on Windows. Wins for internal meetings if you're an Office and Windows house. Not as good as Zoom in my view for social and other gatherings where people are all on different set-ups and not part of the same Windows domain.
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
There's a natural hierarchy to these things.
Webex < Teams < FaceTime < Zoom < IRC
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I suppose an advantage of Multi-User-
NotepadVi is that you can't subject others to your excruciating PPTs.
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I suppose an advantage of Multi-User-NotepadVi is that you can't subject others to your excruciating PPTs.
One of my colleagues does presentations/demos with text files shown in Notepad over Teams.
It's excruciating, but that covers more than just his presentation style.
I'm not sure if I've got away with stating during a meeting that the way that's was documented for doing a docker-compose up was "backwards" compared to just clicking the play button in the docker-compose file in IntelliJ and if you do it that way you'll even get all the extra benefits of linking the IDE to the tools IntelliJ does, or not yet.
That's not to say that knowing the command isn't handy, but the IntelliJ terminal even shows you the commands for what you're doing and is much less painful for day to day operation, and I don't accidentally kill the wrong cmd or powershell window
/rant
You can tell whose gone bargain basement on their internet connection with Teams too.
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It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful. SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
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It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful. SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
Oh god tthis ^
We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.
For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
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It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful. SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
Oh god tthis ^
We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.
For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
As others have said, teams works perfectly well in the Mac environment. I have used it for multiple meetings and also on my iPhone. The court system seems to run 50:50 on the specialist court platform and Teams.
I agree though why it does not simply open the desktop app from a calendar appointment
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It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful. SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
Oh god tthis ^
We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.
For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
I just use the calendar in Teams.
Sharepoint is like one of those badly planned suburban housing estates, a file system in which you'll both never find what you're looking for or a way out.
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Sharepoint makes it really easy to store and share files with colleagues. Making that easy is really bad idea, if you don't have anything in place to control and manage how they are stored and how they are found again - you get loads of copies of different versions of the same file, many in the most unlikely places. Sometimes, making it just a little harder, and therefore requiring of a little more thought, can be much more effective when, six months later, you want to find the same file again and know that you can rely on the version that you have being current.
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For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
Doesn't for me, just goes straight to the app based version.
I loathe sharepoint.
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Teams is shit.
It chews bandwidth. Running in the background, no meeting, it uses over 0.5Mb of my download.
Conveniently integrates with Outlook. Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.
Those are the only good points.
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I reckon its shit. Just spent 10 minutes trying to install it because a stupid training session I'm booked for uses it (I've already got Zoom and GoTo Meeting, don't really want another one, especially anything by Microsoft) and of course it insists I have a Microsoft account, which I don't, then asks me what I want to use it for, then tries to direct me to skype instead, then asks me to download the desktop app (I've already downloaded it you cretins, we're in the middle of installing it right now!) and then I try to start it, and a blank white box appears. I've now got a purple circle of "maybe I'm thinking of doing something, maybe I'm not" running, but that's all. Nothing actually happening.
Maybe it'll actually do something before my training session next Wednesday, but I'm not banking on it. Its not as it my PC is that tardy, its a decent i7, with 32GB of RAM, SSDs, and kept devoid of excess crap (apart from MS Teams, of course).
I was sufficiently grumpy about the training as it was. Its for a charity I'm a trustee of, I have to pay £18 for it, then it turns out its only 1.5 hrs, and its scheduled from 1100 to 1230. Could they possibly have found a less convenient timeslot if they'd really, really tried? It will effectively prevent me doing my usual work at that charity that day, as its 7.5 miles from home, and I'm not driving back and forth twice, and still missing half the working day.
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Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.
Don't rely on that. My Team was using the chats as a record of things and then one day whoever manages our corporate Teams account decide that messages wont be persistent without telling us.
Now they disappear after 24 hours and we lost loads of stuff.
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Good to hear Wombat having problems.
Mine not resolved. I get this (full window):
(http://www.alfiecat.co.uk/yetacf/Teams_xxx.png)
If I click on Restart I get to choose my account, then it goes straight back to this screen.
As you might expect, 'signing out' doesn't work.
Neither does googling the Error code, nor
Deleting the app and all its settings, caches and so on, and reinstalling
I think I might try it in Win 10 on Parallels...
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Speaking of managing corp Teams, ours removed the ability for you to create your own team without telling us.
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My first Microsoft account was for a supplier system, because they adopted O365 etc. before we did. It's now used on one or two other things too - we no longer work with that supplier. So I have two accounts on my office email, one for work and one "personal" = for work that's not on work systems. Every time I log into anything, Sharepoint and OneDrive included, I risk the two getting muddled and blocking each other. And changing passwords...
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I reckon its shit. Just spent 10 minutes trying to install it because a stupid training session I'm booked for uses it (I've already got Zoom and GoTo Meeting, don't really want another one, especially anything by Microsoft) and of course it insists I have a Microsoft account, which I don't, then asks me what I want to use it for, then tries to direct me to skype instead, then asks me to download the desktop app (I've already downloaded it you cretins, we're in the middle of installing it right now!) and then I try to start it, and a blank white box appears. I've now got a purple circle of "maybe I'm thinking of doing something, maybe I'm not" running, but that's all. Nothing actually happening.
Maybe it'll actually do something before my training session next Wednesday, but I'm not banking on it. Its not as it my PC is that tardy, its a decent i7, with 32GB of RAM, SSDs, and kept devoid of excess crap (apart from MS Teams, of course).
I was sufficiently grumpy about the training as it was. Its for a charity I'm a trustee of, I have to pay £18 for it, then it turns out its only 1.5 hrs, and its scheduled from 1100 to 1230. Could they possibly have found a less convenient timeslot if they'd really, really tried? It will effectively prevent me doing my usual work at that charity that day, as its 7.5 miles from home, and I'm not driving back and forth twice, and still missing half the working day.
I found it wouldn't let me install without an invite while pretending it would send me a download link.
PM me if it would be helpful for someone to send you a teams link which you can then use to force it to download the app which is how I ended up getting my personal desktop copy before having a job with a "proper" teams setup.
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Teams is shit.
It chews bandwidth. Running in the background, no meeting, it uses over 0.5Mb of my download.
Conveniently integrates with Outlook. Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.
Those are the only good points.
Not so good when the message is "OMFG everybody Gordon's hair looks so gay today!"
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Teams is shit.
It chews bandwidth. Running in the background, no meeting, it uses over 0.5Mb of my download.
Conveniently integrates with Outlook. Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.
Those are the only good points.
Not so good when the message is "OMFG everybody Gordon's hair looks so gay today!"
Ha! They can't even get your name right! :P
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
two tin cans and some string is better than Webex
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
two tin cans and some string is better than Webex
Okay, that'll be a stretch goal for my "run TCP/IP over a cans-and-string acoustic link" extreme boredom project.
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Teams us the default for the NHS. It is shite.
We use Zoom Professional- so much better.
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Zoom is much better than teams, more accessible too.
Sadly some orgs including universities/NHS are inflexible and insist on Teams. I'm waiting for the first lot to get sued for it tbh, cos Teams is horrible if you're blind or using an interpreter while watching a presentation on screenshare...
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It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful. SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
Oh god tthis ^
We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.
For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
Interesting, ours seems to hook up seamlessly with Office365
What is shit about it is you can't present a PPT that's in the files, only upload to present, which then results in it telling you that your file is already in the files section :facepalm:
Of course no one uses that and just uses the slide show mode of powerpoint nativley... except for notepad colleague.
The planner however is utter bollocks, though we're using it for recording leave because we're not allowed shared calendars anymore and that's just bollocks policy from above (well actually the side but anyway).
AS software systems go it's pretty meh, but that's about as good as it gets from me.
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Is Notepad colleague still using DOS?
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This Unit makes a lot of use of the Windows command line…
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So, I tried it in Windows. Well, that was not fun. Hide and seek settings. Auto full screen, didn't like my camera. I was working through the problems when I decided to have one more go on the Mac. Fixed it by logging in as another user, but actually using the same login as I was already stuck with...
All set up for tomorrow's meeting ....
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All set up for tomorrow's meeting ....
READ THE STANDING ORDERS! READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM!!
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Nah - we use Zoom for those meetings.
This is a shortlisting one for something else.
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Well I eventually got it to install, and then found it really didn't want to shut down, ever, and it then popped up like a particularly tasteless purple thingy whenever I started the PC. I think I've excised that behaviour, but we'll see. The training was so-so, and I'll have a think about whether I want to excise it completely, shortly.
Just had a message from our friends in France, bemoaning not having seen us for age, so did we want to meet by Skype.... Aaaargh! I'll suggest Zoom, it seems to work for the frequent meetings I have on it.
In other news, I have a broken shoulder blade. My GP likes me, as she's never seen one before. I have the impression she's collecting odd misfortunes, and has the x ray on the surgery wall for a laugh. I fell off a wobbly stepladder (send message to self - "twat").
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I have to say - I work for Dell and we havw switched to using Teams extensively.
I really do get on with it - internal discussion boards, and you can create new ones for a project.ith Android phones
The web chats are good, and integrate well with android phones.
For months the shared files appeared so slow for me. I then figured out you cn sync Teams folders to One Drive on your laptop which has changed things completely for me.
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Having Teams decide how it wanted to show participants was sub-optimal. I had one forehead and one chin, and a full face, and my own video was down in a bar at the bottom. No opportunity to change the background in the meeting, and I only found that option once when not in a call. Very odd.
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I've been trying to get to grips with Teams lately in my capacity as team lead on a work project. We had to give our presentation this afternoon, so I convened everyone on Teams this morning for a dress rehearsal.
Unfortunately, when I clicked to share the slides, it just went into spinny circle of going nowhere mode. One of my colleagues was able to share it instead, but since she wasn't familiar with the correct place to move to the next slide, it ended up being not much of a dress rehearsal.
The presentation itself was on Zoom, and it went fine - except that one of my team got locked out so I had to dive in and cover him. I think I got away with it, but FFS, it's really not a great way of working.
There are aspects of Teams I like the look of but there's a steep learning curve before I can make full use of its potential. Aside from the sharing issue (which my IT colleague reckons might be down to privacy settings on my computer) it all seems to work mostly fine for me.
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I use Teams extensively, and my job involves selling a range of cloud PBX products which connect Teams to the PSTN. I like it, it works well on my laptop and the mobile app is good too. I've also had it connected to a desk phone and that's cute too.
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Teams does that Microsoft thing of breaking apart all the settings and distributing them randomly through the application rather than, say, putting them all in a single place and naming it, well I don't know, preferences or options. And maybe making things accessible from the menus and icons like every other Mac app that doesn't come from Microsoft, because really my little friends from Redmond, you have not discovered a fantastic new improved user experience paradigm.
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
There's a natural hierarchy to these things.
Webex < Teams < FaceTime < Zoom < IRC
You missed Jitsi
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I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
There's a natural hierarchy to these things.
Webex < Teams < FaceTime < Zoom < IRC
You missed Jitsi
So did everyone else.
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You missed Jitsi
So did everyone else.
Well played.
Cos most of my friends are geeks, nerds, or hackers, we use Jitsi a lot. I regularly run 6 hour long DnD sessions over Jitsi and a bit of roll20.
We use teams at work. Everyone is using mac, apart from a couple of people who use either Linux or Windows.
I'm actually really impressed that it works on Linux. Painlessly.
You can make life easier for everyone by turning off sharepoint. And OneDrive.
J
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What I hate about Teams is that it does weird cropping shit to people's videos so if there's 2 ppl in call it's fine, then 3 joins and they're a long then slice, and then 4 is fine maybe then 5 becomes a thin wide window missing their mouth off. It doesn't seem to understand good distribution and keeping people's FACES in frame so I can fucking lipread.
Have got round some of it by multi-pinning but only works for 4 people.
Also the screenshare is AWFUL. Zoom lets me have speaker AND share and I choose the sizings. Teams only lets me have screenshare + tiny speaker/participants OR speaker and tiny screenshare/participants - a major fail for a lipreader. For that alone I'd bin the fucking thing.
Also I hate how chat integrates cos you can't find stuff and if you have a boss like mine who likes to 1:1 IM mid meeting about the same bad joke it takes ages to dig out my main teams IM interface (which is also terrible unless you let it have half of my limited screen space at a size I can read)... Zoom lets me detach the chat and put it where I want it without taking up half my screen estate.
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What I hate about Teams is that it does weird cropping shit to people's videos so if there's 2 ppl in call it's fine, then 3 joins and they're a long then slice, and then 4 is fine maybe then 5 becomes a thin wide window missing their mouth off. It doesn't seem to understand good distribution and keeping people's FACES in frame so I can fucking lipread.
Have got round some of it by multi-pinning but only works for 4 people.
Also the screenshare is AWFUL. Zoom lets me have speaker AND share and I choose the sizings. Teams only lets me have screenshare + tiny speaker/participants OR speaker and tiny screenshare/participants - a major fail for a lipreader. For that alone I'd bin the fucking thing.
Also I hate how chat integrates cos you can't find stuff and if you have a boss like mine who likes to 1:1 IM mid meeting about the same bad joke it takes ages to dig out my main teams IM interface (which is also terrible unless you let it have half of my limited screen space at a size I can read)... Zoom lets me detach the chat and put it where I want it without taking up half my screen estate.
Can't disagree with any of that. Working for a tech company nearly all of us turn off our cameras, mostly cos bandwidth reasons. Which is an accessibility nightmare.
J
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Jitsi seems excellent within its limited functionality. It's what Signal's video calling ought to be [The right aspect ratio - Ed], and works admirably well for one-to-one calls. Zoom seems to have the edge when you've got lots of people and need to worry about keeping the interpreter on screen, or screen share or whatever. The lack of a proper desktop app is irksome.
ETA: Jitsi appears to have developed a screen sharing feature since I last looked. Will have to investigate that...
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Jitsi seems excellent within its limited functionality. It's what Signal's video calling ought to be [The right aspect ratio - Ed], and works admirably well for one-to-one calls. Zoom seems to have the edge when you've got lots of people and need to worry about keeping the interpreter on screen, or screen share or whatever. The lack of a proper desktop app is irksome.
ETA: Jitsi appears to have developed a screen sharing feature since I last looked. Will have to investigate that...
It has?
I use it on a dedicated android device. So never had need for that.
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@barakta, you can pop out the chat from the main interface
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@barakta, you can pop out the chat from the main interface
Indeed. Our work implementation did that automagically.
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In a chat the other day one of the medics replied to a message with a quote.
The resulted in a number of messages from the IT side asking "how'd you do that"
Turns out it's only in the Android client at present and is backlogged for the windows one.
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@barakta, you can pop out the chat from the main interface
You can but it doesn't behave well as a popped out window either and is annoying like the whole teams interfacey thing which has loads of barely used crap wasting screen space while hiding useful stuff. Possibly cos I have the text too zoomed cos I have no choice of fonts or colours (which i'd like in Zoom too tbh).
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I've yet to experience the people being cropped in meetings thing. Something to look forward to.
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Gynarrrrgggh.
I just want to search meeting chat logs to see if students have participated in the session.
Guess which software doesn't let you search chats or copy and paste complete chats.
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You can search but you have to type into the top search bar and yes extracting whole chats is a complete fucking pain.
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Yes.
A lot of my work involves presenting software which I do by sharing my screen or the application. However teams goes out of its way to make this a less than pleasurable experience for teh viewer taking up at least a third of the screen with empty (or wasted) space
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You can search but you have to type into the top search bar
Ah, thanks. The trick seems to be to not click on the profile it offers up (takes you to a new chat window just for that person), but to leave it as a plain text search. That's saved me some wailing and gnashing of teeth (but I'm still cussing Teams).
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You can search but you have to type into the top search bar
Ah, thanks. The trick seems to be to not click on the profile it offers up (takes you to a new chat window just for that person), but to leave it as a plain text search. That's saved me some wailing and gnashing of teeth (but I'm still cussing Teams).
Oh, indeed. I hate hate hate it. Wastes a lot of space as mentioned above and is not very flexible in terms of UI. In fact the UI is downright infurating.
I have Schrodingers headphones settings; sometimes it picks up my hearing aid gadget automatically, other times it sets it to speakers and I have to manually go in and click around to set it to headphones (Zoom just behaves and sticks to last setting used)... Fortunately people are moderately tolerant of "hi, I can't hear you yet, just poking the settings" but it's just rude.
Oh and having 2 teams accounts is fucking maddening too. I'm added to an accessibility "community" and despite repeatedly turning of ALL its notifications it still notifies and spams me with emails that I DO NOT WANT. I am "-" from asking to be removed from the community cos it's too disruptive and distracting.
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It's annoying me today. I want to download the chat from a meeting. It shouldn't be hard. It really shouldn't. I don't feel it's the essence of an 'edge case.' The option to do so is nigh. OK, I'll copy and paste the bloody thing. Right. RIGHT MICROSOFT? Seriously, you cannot simply select all and copy the chat. You can do this one message at a time. Hmm, that's a 1-hour meeting with 100+ people all nattering.
OK, I'll share the video. Super. It'll be easy to download a copy in a conventional format, right, because the streaming version can't be viewed externally? I mean, that use case can't have failed to cross someone's mind.
Sigh. I finally found that download option several screens in.
And Microsoft, just put all the settings and options in one fucking place, like in a menu bar, rather than sludging them around the entire UX.
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Tsk! It wouldn’t be Microsith if options and settings weren’t strewn around the wossname like grass seed.
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Cba to read it all, but from experience at a couple of places, Teams is good if you only have to work with windows.
If you have to add Macs then it all goes wrong.
Everyone I know that uses a Mac and O365 also have Zoom.
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Today's "Why I fucking hate Teams".
1) It doesn't understand MUTE on a channel I mostly don't want notifications for, so puts alerts and sends me fucking emails for things and it claims to be "muted". I gave up and left the channel.
2) I have two university accounts. When I am logged into a meeting on the 2nd, it shows me as active/present on the 1st. So colleagues at job 1 keep thinking I'm at work when I'm a meeting at Job 2. I have logged it out and hope that works or I'll uninstall the rotten thing off my Windows (better webcam than Work 2's laptop) and try reinstalling from scratch.
3) It is possible but very difficult to turn off the flash-up notifications for a meeting WHERE THE CHAT WINDOW IS ALREADY OPEN! I hate that settings are in 12255792346 different places and I am sure some contradict one another.
4) I told Work 1 Team ALWAYS connect to headphones, so why the fucking fuck does it keep setting it back to speakers about 60% of the time! I have enough trouble with the fucking hearing aid, streamer gizmo (difficult to get both into the matching programme) without Teams adding to it. Makes me look like a techno numpty and I have to keep going in and manually resetting it. IF I SET A DEFAULT - USE IT OR FUCK OFF.
5) Screensharing shows the WHOLE SHARE and tiny faces. As a lipreader I want Zoom's option of half and half! I hate that this is not an option.
6) Today's screenshare had a random blank rectangle about 3x4 cm over the slide so I couldn't see various bits - stupid Teams glitch.
7) In the teams IM chat it doesn't have a way of keeping the different groups/people small down one side and then convs, it is either BIG WIDE NAMES taking up half the space OR NAMES HIDDEN so you're fucking around with clicking and mousing over voodoo.
8) STOP TELLING ME X AND Y ARE OUT OF OFFICE ON CHATS THEY'RE IN. WE KNOW! WHEN I CLICK CLOSE ON X AND Y ARE OUT OF OFFICE, PLEASE STAY FUCKED OFF. STOP WASTING SCREEN SPACE WITH THAT ANNOYING BLACK BAR.
9) So much wasted white space, which to get the fonts big enough for me to read right now is making my screen management a complete nightmare.
10) When I click join a Teams meeting. I DO NOT NEED you to open a fucking web browser tab OR bring the teams IM thinger to front. I REALLY FUCKING DON'T. Just makes me have to do more mousing to reminimise those things so I can focus on the screen that I NEED to see.
Today's meetings x2 both had people effing off at how shit Teams is.
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It never ceases to amaze me how a company which sells an operating system named Windows has so little idea of how to design a GUI. This morning I wanted to arrange a Teams meeting with a colleague. I couldn't find what I wanted on Teams desktop version's various panels and menus, so a quick WWW search revealed https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/schedule-a-meeting-in-teams-943507a9-8583-4c58-b5d2-8ec8265e04e5 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/schedule-a-meeting-in-teams-943507a9-8583-4c58-b5d2-8ec8265e04e5) . Oh thank you, I'd forgottten. I was expected to discover the "Schedule a meeting" function by hovering over all the icons to reveal the tool tips. GUI my arse; more like a game of tooltip battleships.
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Yes, the Microsoft UX spread – across windows, menus, ribbons, mixed up with weird context (if you've not selected x then y doesn't appear), and default window sizes that don't display all the options but also don't make it clear there are more options. There's zero consistency. There's a fucking menu and, on a Mac, it's bloody empty other than the application defaults.
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I love the two menus in Mac Office. Rubbish...
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I don't think MS should ever have moved away from the CUA model. The ribbon bar still confuses me with its lack of logic and structure. I use add-ins to put the menus back. What's more, menus involve less mouse movement which, as a trackball user, I find much easier.
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I get a nice big button in outlook for scheduling meetings in teams.
The only issue I have with settings unsetting is due to endpoint being forced to force windows default browser to ie11 due to 3rd party legacy shit and sloth.
(I've set it to ring on the laptop speakers then use my headset for the meeting because the laptops mic can pick up the sound of a pin drop 60 miles away and make it sound like someone's smashed their car into the building )
Today's fight was with docker, so I've now got an unscheduled trip to the office to get the whole bloody thing reimaged.
Which will hopefully sort the networking issue I've had ever since I tried to set up a hyperV vm to do Windows XP legacy shit.
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In two weeks' time I get to pull the plug on IE11 support in our products. There are still users, so I'll get fan mail.
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In two weeks' time I get to pull the plug on IE11 support in our products. There are still users, so I'll get fan mail.
You lucky luxly lucky lucky... You get the point... Ba*d
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It's still 2.2% of our users (in the last 30 days – I'm surprised it's so high), but increasingly, stuff just doesn't work in IE11 and even MS is deprecating it in favour of Edge (11.3%) so I'm calling it a day. I will get grinked, I'm sure.
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We're struggling with our new Web site build. We couldn't really justify the substantial additional cost of building it to cope with IE11. But we are concerned about some third-party organisations that still have IE11 as their preferred browser because of internal systems, and hence don't get the best view of our site.
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It'll still work except for the bits that don't work. That'll learn them.
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It's still 2.2% of our users (in the last 30 days – I'm surprised it's so high), but increasingly, stuff just doesn't work in IE11 and even MS is deprecating it in favour of Edge (11.3%) so I'm calling it a day. I will get grinked, I'm sure.
We have software that still targets IE8, because politics/money.
The problem is IE11 insists on being default which means it either bounces you to Edge automatically (which is fine) or loads a webpage it thinks it can which just doesn't work (most of the dev tools like jira and gitlab)
At least the IE8 stuff opens in IE11 in some sort of emulation mode.
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