Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 March, 2021, 06:27:51 pm
Did an 80k ride today, and in the process experienced a number of close passes. Whilst the closest pass was sum fuckwi in a car who beeped, then squeezed past. The one that stands out was 4 very close passes in quick succession. Who by? 4 cyclists in a chain gang. They went past so close I didn't have enough space to go round the pothole in front of me. I'm really unimpressed. You'd think cyclists would know better. Greer
Sorry. Needed to rant
J
Post by: Feanor on 27 March, 2021, 06:36:45 pm
Post by: Pingu on 27 March, 2021, 07:05:15 pm
...Who by? 4 cyclists in a chain gang. They went past so close I didn't have enough space to go round the pothole in front of me. ..
Team
Post by: Chris S on 27 March, 2021, 07:12:28 pm
Nothing like a worldwide pandemic to make us all want those around us, not in our "bubble", to not be there.
Post by: Mr Larrington on 27 March, 2021, 07:39:54 pm
...Who by? 4 cyclists in a chain gang. They went past so close I didn't have enough space to go round the pothole in front of me. ..
TeamBrexitIneos, I'm looking at you :demon:
US Postal gave us lots of space when passing in Belgium in 2004. Both the riders and the team car.
Post by: Jaded on 27 March, 2021, 07:45:11 pm
The second worst was, ironically, also just outside Ullapool and was by a Dutch driver. Driving a LHD car, so clearly able to see where I was. He stopped further up the road to look at the view and seemed shocked when I remonstrated with him. I reckoned he had already driven hundreds of miles to get his Dutch LHD car to the NW Highlands.
Post by: Kim on 27 March, 2021, 08:14:18 pm
Anyway today's bonkers incident wasn't a close pass, it wasn't even the oncoming car playing chicken with me on the wrong side of a traffic island in order to overtake some slower cyclists in the other direction, *or* the driver of the car behind who did the same thing into a non-existent gap under they-could-go-therefore-it-must-be-okay-for-me-to-go rules. No, it was the one who was so busy alerting me to the fact that I was riding an unusual-looking bike by applying a blast of horn mid-overtake that they almost failed to notice the van in front slowing down, or the oncoming horse (which at this point had already started to get twitchy about my presence) that it was slowing down for. Fortunately the van blocking the view seemed to calm the horse, and disaster was averted. The horseist rewarded me with an extremely posh "They just don't give a shit, do they?" as I passed with care.
Post by: quixoticgeek on 27 March, 2021, 08:30:55 pm
The worst ever close pass I have had was just outside Ullapool and was by a local.
The second worst was, ironically, also just outside Ullapool and was by a Dutch driver. Driving a LHD car, so clearly able to see where I was. He stopped further up the road to look at the view and seemed shocked when I remonstrated with him. I reckoned he had already driven hundreds of miles to get his Dutch LHD car to the NW Highlands.
I used to joke that the Dutch are so used to bikes being segregated, that they have no fucking clue what to do when they get mixed together. I remember watching a couple of Dutch cycle tourists in Dover who seemed unable to get out of the port as they lacked the confidence to mix with traffic.
This all said, my experience post plague is that the Dutch have completely lost the fucking plot and forgotten how to drive. Last weekend in a single 98k ride in the Veluwe, I had more close passes and was on the receiving end of more bad driving, than in the previous 20000+km of cycling in this country, combined. If I didn't have a well maintained bike with good brakes, I would have been splatted across the bonnet of one car, the driver of which decided to overtake a couple of cyclists on his side of the road, while completely oblivious to the one barrelling towards them. Much swearing happened.
I suppose those used to riding in chain gangs have non-standard ideas about how much space you need between cyclists. Not that that's an excuse, as it's one thing getting up close with someone you know and trust, and quite another doing it to randoms out on the road who might be daydreaming or easily spooked or whatever.
But it's just bad etiquette. In the TTT if you catch up the riders in front, you give them a bloody wide berth. I'm used to Amsterdam cycling, where at certain times of day you can feel like you've accidentally ridden into the middle of an informal alley cat. But you know that's the deal, you signed up for that when you crossed the a10. But on a tiny road in the middle of nowhere?
It was on this road: https://goo.gl/maps/cuk5zxGkAts82GM28
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Anyway today's bonkers incident wasn't a close pass, it wasn't even the oncoming car playing chicken with me on the wrong side of a traffic island in order to overtake some slower cyclists in the other direction, *or* the driver of the car behind who did the same thing into a non-existent gap under they-could-go-therefore-it-must-be-okay-for-me-to-go rules. No, it was the one who was so busy alerting me to the fact that I was riding an unusual-looking bike by applying a blast of horn mid-overtake that they almost failed to notice the van in front slowing down, or the oncoming horse (which at this point had already started to get twitchy about my presence) that it was slowing down for. Fortunately the van blocking the view seemed to calm the horse, and disaster was averted. The horseist rewarded me with an extremely posh "They just don't give a shit, do they?" as I passed with care.
Fuuuck
J
Post by: De Sisti on 28 March, 2021, 08:43:19 am
just as bad as motor vehicle drivers for close passes. As I spoke to the second horse rider, I
noticed a few riders approaching from behind the horse/rider who didn't even slow down and announce their presence.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 09:17:36 am
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 12:17:17 pm
The noobs are out in force at the moment, cosplaying being pro.
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
So in other words you get annoyed when people don't say hello to you?
Post by: DaveReading on 28 March, 2021, 12:20:31 pm
The noobs are out in force at the moment, cosplaying being pro.
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
So in other words you get annoyed when people don't say hello to you?
Seems entirely reasonable to me ...
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 12:23:09 pm
The noobs are out in force at the moment, cosplaying being pro.
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
So in other words you get annoyed when people don't say hello to you?
Seems entirely reasonable to me ...
LOL, people are not at liberty to say hello to you.
Self entitled knobbery TBH.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 01:04:51 pm
That's the norm. You are abnormal. LOL
Post by: grams on 28 March, 2021, 01:09:10 pm
Post by: Davef on 28 March, 2021, 01:09:17 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 28 March, 2021, 01:12:19 pm
Post by: John Stonebridge on 28 March, 2021, 01:32:57 pm
I used to get humpty about folk passing without acknowledgement but im ambivalent about it beyond noting the correlation between full kit wanker outfit and zero acknowledgements.
My fave episode was a guy who scudded past me on a road bike very close in Dalmeny without a word. Then he passed me again on the Forth Road Bridge so hed obviously got lost. When he passed for the 2nd time in 5 mins he did so with a sheepish “went the wrong way didnt I silly me” type comment. I nodded sagely and silently while seeking to convey the “oh aye talking now youve been a dick eh” vibe. He knew.
Post by: Kim on 28 March, 2021, 01:36:50 pm
Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings [...]
"Smile luv"
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 01:48:10 pm
It's just manners and not being an asocial weirdo.
Remember, this isn't an urban area.
Post by: Kim on 28 March, 2021, 01:52:58 pm
Nope. It's not a "Smile luv" scenario.
It can feel like one when I'm on the receiving end. *shrug*
Just like you don't know a random cyclist's ability to hold a line, as per the OP, you don't know what's happening in their head. Maybe they're having fun and are delighted to cheerfully greet fellow cyclists. Maybe they're up for a bit of Silly Commuter Racing. Maybe they'd be happy to stop and discuss the relative merits of recumbent bicycles for 5 minutes. Maybe they're late for something important. Maybe they're just wishing they could be home so the knee pain will stop. Maybe their IBS is acting up and they're desperately trying not to shit their pants. Maybe they're still reeling from being nearly taken out by a fuckwit motorist. Maybe they just got a load of abuse for using their bell on a shared-use path. Maybe they're busy solving a difficult programming problem in their head. Maybe they just learned that someone close to them has died and have gone for a bike ride to get out of the house.
Another person's bike ride doesn't imply any obligation to entertain you, just like existing while female doesn't imply any obligation to entertain random creepy men.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:00:27 pm
Honestly, I doubt any of the men I've said hello to as they passed didn't not respond because they feared that to do so might result in an unwanted sexual approach or a rape.
Women? Never known one to not initiate a greeting. As I said before, saying hello to other cyclists out in the countryside is the norm. To not do so is abnormal, whatever the reason.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 02:01:01 pm
Out here, in the middle of nowhere, not responding to a cheery hello is a highly abnormal response. Indeed the norm is to pause for a brief chat. It's one of life's little joys.
That's the norm. You are abnormal. LOL
Says you. Once again, people are not at liberty to say hello.
And I would class putting in an effort to catch someone up who has not said hello to you, to say hello to them again just to prove a point as abnormal behaviour. Trying getting a life, then things like this don't bother you, it becomes case of meh, a shrug of shoulders and you get on with the day. Especially when said person who you have said hello too twice, probably could not care less and is just out riding their bike for the fun of it.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:05:15 pm
Abnormal and asocial? Yes, you'd be my first port of call. :thumbsup:
Post by: Kim on 28 March, 2021, 02:07:17 pm
What, somebody on a bike saying "hello"?
Saying hello is fine. Expecting anything in response is not.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 02:08:48 pm
To be honest, you are the last person I'd take advice from on what is normal ;D ;D ;D
Abnormal and asocial? Yes, you'd be my first port of call. :thumbsup:
Oh dear.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 02:09:50 pm
What, somebody on a bike saying "hello"?
Saying hello is fine. Expecting anything in response is not.
You are abnormal and asocial!!!! ;D :facepalm:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:12:14 pm
Another person's bike ride doesn't imply any obligation to entertain you, just like existing while female doesn't imply any obligation to entertain random creepy men.
Nobody is asking for entertainment. Just politeness. And trying to elide this situation with sexual harassment by men towards women is ridiculous.
Post by: grams on 28 March, 2021, 02:12:46 pm
It sounds like you have no empathy for people who aren't exactly like you.
(* or even just averagely verted people)
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 02:13:06 pm
Another person's bike ride doesn't imply any obligation to entertain you, just like existing while female doesn't imply any obligation to entertain random creepy men.
Nobody is asking for entertainment. Just politeness. And trying to elide this situation with sexual harassment by men towards women is ridiculous.
Fuck off ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:17:37 pm
For more introverted people* coming out of their bubble to vocalise a friendly hello can be a huge mental leap. A lot of people go on bike rides in the countryside to spend some quality time in that bubble.
It sounds like you have no empathy for people who aren't exactly like you.
(* or even just averagely verted people)
A guy in full Castelli on an £8k bike an 'introvert' Right. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep going..
Post by: Peter on 28 March, 2021, 02:28:18 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:33:32 pm
Post by: Peter on 28 March, 2021, 02:44:57 pm
Post by: grams on 28 March, 2021, 02:47:04 pm
If a kitwanker smashes past you, close, on an £8k bike, on a rural road, doesn't bother with a hello, nor respond to yours then, sorry, its a statement, and they are fair game.
Yes, I'm sure you've constructed a set of rules in your brane to make you feel like you're a nice ordinary person doing god's work to people who deserve it and definitely not an arsehole.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:52:04 pm
Testosterene causes most of the trouble in the world. I'm learning to do without it - though I've still got the jiffy bags.
I think it was Bertrand Russell who described his experience of dwindling testosterone as like being unchained from a lunatic.
Post by: Peter on 28 March, 2021, 02:54:37 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 02:55:09 pm
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Post by: fd3 on 28 March, 2021, 04:10:38 pm
IIUC Flauts is annoyed at people passing him without saying "hi". Personally I rarely say much when overtaking, because, to me, breezing past someone and then making point of the fact that I've gone past them is a bit ...
Similar to using a bell on a shared use path, you get grief for doing it and you get grief for not doing it.
If the worst thing to happen to me on a ride is someone making a point of catching up with me, no big deal. I provided you with some motivation to pedal faster, you're welcome.
If the worst thing that happens o Flatus today is that someone call's him a bit of a dick for his behaviour, business as usual on YACF?
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 04:16:56 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 28 March, 2021, 04:19:37 pm
IIUC?
Post by: spesh on 28 March, 2021, 04:24:51 pm
IIUC?
"If I understand correctly" is my best guess.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 04:25:40 pm
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 04:31:47 pm
This thread is fast turning into a sort of bingo card, albeit with only 4 boxes to tick. Just need Karla and its house!
So..you're trolling? Looks like projection to be mate, you saying other folk are abnormal/asocial - go look in the mirror.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 04:38:29 pm
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 04:46:32 pm
Anyone got a turbo trainer for sale?
Here we go, I had a brand new trainer for sale that was being offered just under sale price on CRC, the price on CRC goes back up so the cost of the trainer went up as well. Not sure if I'm flattered or worried that I've been living rent free in your head for the best of a year because of this - hey ho.
'If a kitwanker smashes past you, close, on an £8k bike, on a rural road, doesn't bother with a hello, nor respond to yours then, sorry, its a statement, and they are fair game.'
All because someone did not say hello to you - get a life.
Post by: fd3 on 28 March, 2021, 04:50:33 pm
He usually doesn'tIs a fair cop.
Post by: Davef on 28 March, 2021, 04:56:30 pm
Is there something specific about castelli clothing ? I have to admit I am occasionally clothed head to toe in the brand.For more introverted people* coming out of their bubble to vocalise a friendly hello can be a huge mental leap. A lot of people go on bike rides in the countryside to spend some quality time in that bubble.
It sounds like you have no empathy for people who aren't exactly like you.
(* or even just averagely verted people)
A guy in full Castelli on an £8k bike an 'introvert' Right.
Keep going..
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 04:57:24 pm
Anyone got a turbo trainer for sale?
Here we go, I had a brand new trainer for sale that was being offered just under sale price on CRC, the price on CRC goes back up so the cost of the trainer went up as well. Not sure if I'm flattered or worried that I've been living rent free in your head for the best of a year because of this - hey ho.
'If a kitwanker smashes past you, close, on an £8k bike, on a rural road, doesn't bother with a hello, nor respond to yours then, sorry, its a statement, and they are fair game.'
All because someone did not say hello to you - get a life.
It's ok, LMT. I get that you are utterly individualistic, that when you placed an item on the for sale board here for a set price, and then later raised the price when the pandemic hit you did so because you thought you could price gouge the forum.
Other people think differently. They understand community. That is why many people found your behaviour repugnant and said so at the time. You then deleted the thread.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that you also don't respond to people saying hello to you whilst out on your bike ;D
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 04:58:41 pm
Is there something specific about castelli clothing ? I have to admit I am occasionally clothed head to toe in the brand.For more introverted people* coming out of their bubble to vocalise a friendly hello can be a huge mental leap. A lot of people go on bike rides in the countryside to spend some quality time in that bubble.
It sounds like you have no empathy for people who aren't exactly like you.
(* or even just averagely verted people)
A guy in full Castelli on an £8k bike an 'introvert' Right.
Keep going..
Me too. It's the new Rapha, though isnt it?
Anyhoo, despite all the shrill ranting from LMT and Grams (cheers for the laughs, guys :thumbsup:) , point being made in QG's OP and my first reply is that there are loads of noobs out there cosplaying at being Pros and being dicks in the process. In other words all the gear and no idea.
If you are in a town, city, Richmond Park or whatever and surrounded by cyclists then fair enough,but in a very rural environment its just bullshit, just as it is when you pass someone hiking in the middle of nowhere and they just walk past ignorantly.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 05:12:25 pm
Anyone got a turbo trainer for sale?
Here we go, I had a brand new trainer for sale that was being offered just under sale price on CRC, the price on CRC goes back up so the cost of the trainer went up as well. Not sure if I'm flattered or worried that I've been living rent free in your head for the best of a year because of this - hey ho.
'If a kitwanker smashes past you, close, on an £8k bike, on a rural road, doesn't bother with a hello, nor respond to yours then, sorry, its a statement, and they are fair game.'
All because someone did not say hello to you - get a life.
It's ok, LMT. I get that you are utterly individualistic, that when you placed an item on the for sale board here for a set price, and then later raised the price when the pandemic hit you did so because you thought you could price gouge the forum.
Other people think differently. They understand community. That is why many people found your behaviour repugnant and said so at the time. You then deleted the thread.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that you also don't respond to people saying hello to you whilst out on your bike ;D
Thread got deleted because the trainer got sold. I don't think you understand what price gouging is, price of the trainer was never above RRP and was market value at the time.
And try as you might to save face HF further down this thread - it's just a joke like on Top Gear blah blah. I ain't the one ranting and raving about 'kitwankers' because someone did not say hello to me.
Post by: ravenbait on 28 March, 2021, 05:15:29 pm
The noobs are out in force at the moment, cosplaying being pro.
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
Picture the scene...
I am riding along, minding my own business. I'm probably listening to some banging 90-00s trance, thinking about why my dog is lame, what we're going to have for dinner, why my boss always expects me to perform miracles, and probably several different plot lines and character arcs for whatever piece I'm working on at the moment. At the same time, I'm having a conversation with my bike about the state of the roads, whether we're taking the next left or the one after that, and whether or not he needs a bath when we get home. Ahead of me is Random Cyclist. I probably don't pay any attention other than to note whether I am going faster than them and, if so, making estimates about how quickly I'm going to have to go around and if there is other traffic on the road at the point where that will become necessary.
I make my way past, keeping an eye on traffic etc, which will claim my full attention owing to monocular vision.
Random Cyclist says, "Hello!"
Perhaps I grunt in return. Perhaps I do not. Perhaps the other things in my head drown out the sound of Random Cyclist. Maybe I do not hear him over the sound of Benny Benassi complaining about a lack of satisfaction despite access to power tools wielded by ladies utilising insufficient safety gear. Maybe I Just Don't Want To Engage With Random Dude On Bike who might want to initiate an unwanted conversation about how unusual it is to see a woman riding fixed round these parts, and did I know my bike model translates as a sexual act and isn't that hilarious? And, by the way, does my riding said bike imply that I'm offering said act? Am I sure? Because it seems a reasonable supposition. Oh, go on love, he was only having a laugh. What happened to my sense of humour?
Perhaps I lift a finger in acknowledgement and he doesn't see it. Perhaps I do not. Maybe I am concentrating on not hitting one of the Sea of Tranquility-sized potholes that have opened up over winter while not being smashed by farmer McHaggis hauling a trailer load of cow excrement.
Should said Random Cyclist later pass me and attempt to force the issue, the chances of them extracting a resentful hello from me are precisely zero, and all that means is that I still have a head full of Stuff.
Hellos are nice. I often offer them. Sometimes I don't. I don't think a response is obligatory or indicative of personal character. I genuinely wouldn't associate a failure to say hello to someone I was passing with that person later catching and overtaking me. I'm not sure how one goes about extracting a resentful hello from a cyclist dying on the last third of a hill -- seems like a niche skillset -- but I feel like it's a bit, well, petty.
Sam
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 05:18:25 pm
Besides, why would I need to picture your scenario when I was present at the scenario I described. And it was nothing like your scenario.
Post by: Davef on 28 March, 2021, 05:22:46 pm
When I say head to toe, I should elaborate. I have a cap and toe thingies. The rest is a mish mash of different brands.Is there something specific about castelli clothing ? I have to admit I am occasionally clothed head to toe in the brand.For more introverted people* coming out of their bubble to vocalise a friendly hello can be a huge mental leap. A lot of people go on bike rides in the countryside to spend some quality time in that bubble.
It sounds like you have no empathy for people who aren't exactly like you.
(* or even just averagely verted people)
A guy in full Castelli on an £8k bike an 'introvert' Right.
Keep going..
Me too. It's the new Rapha, though isnt it?
Anyhoo, despite all the shrill ranting from LMT and Grams (cheers for the laughs, guys :thumbsup:) , point being made in QG's OP and my first reply is that there are loads of noobs out there cosplaying at being Pros and being dicks in the process. In other words all the gear and no idea.
If you are in a town, city, Richmond Park or whatever and surrounded by cyclists then fair enough,but in a very rural environment its just bullshit, just as it is when you pass someone hiking in the middle of nowhere and they just walk past ignorantly.
When I overtake I like to give a cheery “is everything ok ?”
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 05:23:16 pm
And try as you might to save face HF further down this thread - it's just a joke like on Top Gear blah blah. I ain't the one ranting and raving about 'kitwankers' because someone did not say hello to me.
Oh you are ranting and raving alright ;D Just as you always do. You should read your post history sometime. You'll be horrified....
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=7990
p.s. I'm not laughing with you...
Post by: ravenbait on 28 March, 2021, 05:49:17 pm
Of course it is petty. That is the whole point of doing it ::-)
Besides, why would I need to picture your scenario when I was present at the scenario I described. And it was nothing like your scenario.
I'm glad we're in agreement on the pettiness. Although pettiness seems a poor reason for doing anything, and I say that as someone who is often fuelled by spite.
The thing is, you described the situation as "should any cyclist overtake us," which would make my scenario valid, albeit presented from the viewpoint of the passer rather than the passee. If you mean one specific scenario in which you are overtaken by a specific category of cyclist on a specific route while riding with a specific partner, you should have said so. That's less of a normal personality trait and more of a fetish. Whatever floats your boat, I guess?
Sam
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 06:00:52 pm
And try as you might to save face HF further down this thread - it's just a joke like on Top Gear blah blah. I ain't the one ranting and raving about 'kitwankers' because someone did not say hello to me.
Oh you are ranting and raving alright ;D Just as you always do. You should read your post history sometime. You'll be horrified....
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=7990
p.s. I'm not laughing with you...
I would not want you laughing with me and I've better things to do with my time then go over my post history, you crack on if you want HF, if this is where you are at the moment trawling over a persons post history and getting the arse with people that don't say hello to you then I pity you.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 06:11:33 pm
Of course it is petty. That is the whole point of doing it ::-)
Besides, why would I need to picture your scenario when I was present at the scenario I described. And it was nothing like your scenario.
I'm glad we're in agreement on the pettiness. Although pettiness seems a poor reason for doing anything, and I say that as someone who is often fuelled by spite.
The thing is, you described the situation as "should any cyclist overtake us," which would make my scenario valid, albeit presented from the viewpoint of the passer rather than the passee. If you mean one specific scenario in which you are overtaken by a specific category of cyclist on a specific route while riding with a specific partner, you should have said so. That's less of a normal personality trait and more of a fetish. Whatever floats your boat, I guess?
Sam
Well, I did mention a specific partner and I did mention a specific category of rider, so that is two of your three requirements met.
Many posters here know I live in the Cotswolds, so they will know that I am not talking about an urban scenario with many other people about. Just in case they didn't realise that I stated it several times. Many posters here have ridden with me (although mercifully not the main protagonist here) and with that in mind will know that to overtake me will require at least a bit of effort. That isn't a boast, just a reflection of the realities of riding around at 18mph av or higher. I have no problem with being overtaken, but I don't like it if somebody is showing off and being rude (and marginally dangerous) in the process. If you want to pull that cockish shit then don't die on a hill 500m up the road because you've just killed yourself to overtake me because I will be cockish back. Yes, it is petty, deliberately so. No, it isn't a fetish because that implies some sort of sexualisation, which of course you intended by your choice of word.
Frankly, unless you, or Kim, were that man in bright Castelli kit shaving past me and Steve on a deep-rim carbon superbike, then I really don't know why you are trying to make my post about you.
As an aside, on the subject of women on bikes, I cant think of a single time a woman has gone past me and not said hello to me passing, just as I will say hello when I pass other people. I've had Emma Pooley and Jess Varnish give me a huge grin and a hello before I've even noticed they were there. I've had women stop to talk to me when I've been stationary at the side of the road. I don't find anything odd about that. It's just nice. It is one of the joys of not being enclosed in a speeding metal box, isolated from everything and everyone. Yes, of course people have a choice not to interract, but if you behave in the manner as described in my first post then you are already interacting.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 06:15:54 pm
And try as you might to save face HF further down this thread - it's just a joke like on Top Gear blah blah. I ain't the one ranting and raving about 'kitwankers' because someone did not say hello to me.
Oh you are ranting and raving alright ;D Just as you always do. You should read your post history sometime. You'll be horrified....
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=7990
p.s. I'm not laughing with you...
I would not want you laughing with me and I've better things to do with my time then go over my post history, you crack on if you want HF, if this is where you are at the moment trawling over a persons post history and getting the arse with people that don't say hello to you then I pity you.
You probably need to bore off now ;)
Post by: DaveReading on 28 March, 2021, 06:36:16 pm
Says you. Once again, people are not at liberty to say hello.
Or indeed at liberty not to say hello. :)
Post by: fd3 on 28 March, 2021, 07:00:23 pm
This is the only time I've been pissed off with overtaking other cyclists (but I would totally agree with the OP sense of close passes from other cyclists, because, dick move).
If I overtake another cyclist and that motivates them to catch up with me and pass mo on a hill, while yawning and showing off their might (a la Flatus) then what do I care? I think "trying to catch" another cyclist is normal motivation in riding and a general part of commuting. Whether Flatus does this because I didn't say "hi" or whether he does this because I have the temerity of overtaking him - I don't care.
Sure, it's a bit odd that Flatus gets so worked up about other cyclists not saying "hi", and I could see hwy you might not say "hi" when overtaking. But then Flatus is a bit odd (first clue - he's posting on yacf, so I'd level the same accusation at everyone else ... not that I consider ebing odd a slur on anyone's character).
So, I am honestly interested in why Flatus' revenge of catching up and ... dun dun duuuun ... saying "hi" is viewed as such a dastardly thing? I am interested because I could be in a situation of catching someone who's passed me (in my case this happens often with RLJers and people who ride dangerously on shared use paths but don't have the legs for roads) and I wouldn't think I am being (as) callous and evil (as Flatus surely is) if I said "hi" at that point. But I am (as Flatus has alluded to earlier) quite likely to miss the obvious in this matter. So please let me know.
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Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 07:07:44 pm
It's weird how people are projecting onto me. "Gets worked up". No, doesn't get worked up. Its fun.
So, I am honestly interested in why Flatus' revenge of catching up and ... dun dun duuuun ... saying "hi" is viewed as such a dastardly thing? I am interested because I could be in a situation of catching someone who's passed me (in my case this happens often with RLJers and people who ride dangerously on shared use paths but don't have the legs for roads) and I wouldn't think I am being (as) callous and evil (as Flatus surely is) if I said "hi" at that point.
Mixture of reasons, I suspect. Some people, wrongly, thought I was having a dig at the neurodiverse. I ride audaxes ffs, I did that joke 15 years ago. Now they are my friends :o
Some people, well two, and especially one are just tools spoiling for a fight.
Post by: ravenbait on 28 March, 2021, 07:30:09 pm
Well, I did mention a specific partner and I did mention a specific category of rider, so that is two of your three requirements met.You said "any cyclist". I agree with you on the partner.
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Many posters here know I live in the Cotswolds, so they will know that I am not talking about an urban scenario with many other people about.
I live in rural Aberdeenshire, if this is about how rural we can be. Odd category for a bunfight, but hey. I don't see that this makes a difference as to whether it is legitimate to take offense at somebody not responding to you.
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Many posters here have ridden with me
Likewise.
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I have no problem with being overtaken, but I don't like it if somebody is showing off and being rude (and marginally dangerous) in the process.
Are we moving goalposts here? We've gone from "any cyclist" to people who are showing off, being rude, and being marginally dangerous. I don't see how you get "showing off, being rude (and marginally dangerous)" from a failure to respond to "Hello." Are we talking about what they wear? I used to wear Olympic triathlon kit to train because I got it cheap in a bargain bin at a race, not because I was pretending to be one of the Brownlee brothers in disguise. The bike? I'm just happy to see other people out on bikes instead of tooling around in their motors pretending they're having a nice time because the sun is out and they've got the top down, and if someone can afford a nice bike, then it's their money. Better a Pinarello Dogma than a Subaru Impreza, frankly.
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If you want to pull that cockish shit then don't die on a hill 500m up the road because you've just killed yourself to overtake me because I will be cockish back.
I don't understand how it's cockish to overtake someone on a nice bike in matching kit without saying hello. And so what if they die on a hill 500m later? Maybe they are doing intervals. Maybe they just wanted to see how fast they could go. Maybe they over-estimated their fitness. Maybe we should welcome people taking up cycling because more bikes on the road means the roads are safer.
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Frankly, unless you, or Kim, were that man in bright Castelli kit shaving past me and Steve on a deep-rim carbon superbike, then I really don't know why you are trying to make my post about you.
And again, you are the one who said "any cyclist", which puts anyone who happens to share a road with you in the firing line. Now you're saying it's not any cyclist, it's just this one specific Castelli-wearing cyclist on a deep-rim carbon superbike who was showing off, rude, and marginally dangerous. That's neither normal nor a fetish. That's some sort of personal vendetta. That's between you and them.
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As an aside, on the subject of women on bikes, I cant think of a single time a woman has gone past me and not said hello to me passing, just as I will say hello when I pass other people.
OK. So because you can't think of a time this has not happened, it never happens at all? I think you are conflating your personal experience with how the world is and should be.
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I've had women stop to talk to me when I've been stationary at the side of the road. I don't find anything odd about that. It's just nice. It is one of the joys of not being enclosed in a speeding metal box, isolated from everything and everyone.
It's not odd. But neither is choosing not to interact.
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Yes, of course people have a choice not to interract, but if you behave in the manner as described in my first post then you are already interacting.
This is a change from what you said originally. You specified any cyclist passing you without saying hello would experience you catching up with them just as they were dying on a hill so you could extract a resentful hello.
I'm still not sure I understand how passing you on a bike fitted with deep rim wheels while wearing Castelli kit and not saying hello is choosing to interact (quite the opposite, I'd have thought), but I'm glad we've got the exact circumstances sorted.
Sam
Post by: davelodwig on 28 March, 2021, 07:31:32 pm
The noobs are out in force at the moment, cosplaying being pro.
Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
My favourite thing is to let them get ahead on the hill up to Birdlip, and then I turn the e-assist up to turbo and cruise past uphill singing to my Spotify playlist while they pant their lungs out.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 07:34:18 pm
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Sorry, too much of a PITA to try and respond to nested quotes. Just read my OP. If you don't like it I guess that is too bad.
Post by: ravenbait on 28 March, 2021, 07:37:57 pm
So, I am honestly interested in why Flatus' revenge of catching up and ... dun dun duuuun ... saying "hi" is viewed as such a dastardly thing? I am interested because I could be in a situation of catching someone who's passed me (in my case this happens often with RLJers and people who ride dangerously on shared use paths but don't have the legs for roads) and I wouldn't think I am being (as) callous and evil (as Flatus surely is) if I said "hi" at that point. But I am (as Flatus has alluded to earlier) quite likely to miss the obvious in this matter. So please let me know.
Nah, I don't care. I probably wouldn't even connect the two, although, if I did, a man insisting on talking to me when I didn't want to talk would be creepy as hell. It was more the assertion that not saying hello is in some way abnormal behaviour that requires consequence to be meted out. I have this vision of a pair of blokes on fixed gear pulling alongside someone struggling up a hill and using a kind of magic wand to coerce them into a strained greeting at the precise moment they need their breath for climbing. It's the absurdity of it, when there are loads of reasons why someone might not respond.
As a cyclist who is wary of men who insist on conversation (see previous comments about sexual innuendo, which has happened more than once), I was trying to point out how presumptive this is.
Sam
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 07:41:45 pm
So, I am honestly interested in why Flatus' revenge of catching up and ... dun dun duuuun ... saying "hi" is viewed as such a dastardly thing? I am interested because I could be in a situation of catching someone who's passed me (in my case this happens often with RLJers and people who ride dangerously on shared use paths but don't have the legs for roads) and I wouldn't think I am being (as) callous and evil (as Flatus surely is) if I said "hi" at that point. But I am (as Flatus has alluded to earlier) quite likely to miss the obvious in this matter. So please let me know.
You've taken this out of context, in a nutshell quoting words from this thread:-
HF: a kitwanker smashes past you, close, on an £8k bike, on a rural road, doesn't bother with a hello, nor respond to yours then, sorry, its a statement, and they are fair game.
other people: he does not have to say hello to you.
HF: you're abnormal, asocial, tools spoiling for a fight.
Hope the above addresses your question.
Post by: salar55 on 28 March, 2021, 07:56:54 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 07:59:45 pm
Nah, I don't care. I probably wouldn't even connect the two, although, if I did, a man insisting on talking to me when I didn't want to talk would be creepy as hell. It was more the assertion that not saying hello is in some way abnormal behaviour that requires consequence to be meted out. I have this vision of a pair of blokes on fixed gear pulling alongside someone struggling up a hill and using a kind of magic wand to coerce them into a strained greeting at the precise moment they need their breath for climbing. It's the absurdity of it, when there are loads of reasons why someone might not respond.
As a cyclist who is wary of men who insist on conversation (see previous comments about sexual innuendo, which has happened more than once), I was trying to point out how presumptive this is.
Sam
And in those circumstances you'd be entirely right. But those aren't the circumstances.
The irony is that the behaviour I'm objecting to is archetypal aggressive male behaviour, and the the fun is meting out the same but in a slightly comedic manner. Being friendly, rather than unfriendly. I'm pretty sure most men would recognise what I'm talking about. This isn't about some bod on a recumbent or a steel bike just wanting to switch off for a bit. Actual racers invariably say hello or have a chat depending on what they are up to.
As I said, I've never encountered a woman behaving like this. It doesn't matter to this discussion whether they do elsewhere, because it is my response that is being debated.
Post by: Davef on 28 March, 2021, 08:01:06 pm
I used to wear Olympic triathlon kit to train because I got it cheap in a bargain bin at a race, not because I was pretending to be one of the Brownlee brothers in disguise.Spooky, I am sitting here in GBR triathlon kit at this very moment. I wear it to go to Tesco’s.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 08:07:22 pm
Nah, I don't care. I probably wouldn't even connect the two, although, if I did, a man insisting on talking to me when I didn't want to talk would be creepy as hell. It was more the assertion that not saying hello is in some way abnormal behaviour that requires consequence to be meted out. I have this vision of a pair of blokes on fixed gear pulling alongside someone struggling up a hill and using a kind of magic wand to coerce them into a strained greeting at the precise moment they need their breath for climbing. It's the absurdity of it, when there are loads of reasons why someone might not respond.
As a cyclist who is wary of men who insist on conversation (see previous comments about sexual innuendo, which has happened more than once), I was trying to point out how presumptive this is.
Sam
And in those circumstances you'd be entirely right. But those aren't the circumstances.
The irony is that the behaviour I'm objecting to is archetypal aggressive male behaviour, and the the fun is meting out the same but in a slightly comedic manner. Being friendly, rather than unfriendly. I'm pretty sure most men would recognise what I'm talking about. This isn't about some bod on a recumbent or a steel bike just wanting to switch off for a bit.
As I said, I've never encountered a woman behaving like this. It doesn't matter to this discussion whether they do elsewhere, because it is my response that is being debated.
You're talking out of your arse and your making this into something that it is not to suit your own agenda.
A guy out on a £8k bike in full pro kit who is minding his own business is exactly that, a guy out on a £8k bike in full pro kit minding his own business. But according to you it's aggressive male behaviour. You're taking the piss.
And all because he did not say hello.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 08:08:44 pm
other people: he does not have to say hello to you.
HF: you're abnormal, asocial, tools spoiling for a fight.
Hope the above addresses your question.
No, not 'other people', just two people. One of whom is you.
I'm sorry you are butt-hurt, but yanno... if you rock up telling people to fuck off and your first remark is to call me a knob then you deserve to get your arse handed to you (again)
You've a choice to ignore, walk away, but here you are again and again, dry-humping my leg.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 08:18:53 pm
other people: he does not have to say hello to you.
HF: you're abnormal, asocial, tools spoiling for a fight.
Hope the above addresses your question.
No, not 'other people', just two people. One of whom is you.
I'm sorry you are butt-hurt, but yanno... if you rock up telling people to fuck off and your first remark is to call me a knob then you deserve to get your arse handed to you (again)
You started with the insults mate.
Thinking about again I'm thinking you're envious of this guy. You said it yourself that in order for someone to pass you they have to put in the work, was you put out when he overtook you? Face it, without your mate there with you you'd never caught him up, you would have been spat trying to catch him.
And rather than take it on the chin, he is a noob, a kit wanker who has to be taught a lesson. Rather sad that your ego is this fragile HF. And anyone that disagrees with you is abnormal and asocial, the irony that your failure to recognise that you've been a bit of dick and have a go at people is abnormal and asocial. Having sly digs at people and trawling through their post history is not normal behaviour imo, but you crack on anyway, I'll be in your head for another year rent free.
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 08:23:05 pm
other people: he does not have to say hello to you.
HF: you're abnormal, asocial, tools spoiling for a fight.
Hope the above addresses your question.
No, not 'other people', just two people. One of whom is you.
I'm sorry you are butt-hurt, but yanno... if you rock up telling people to fuck off and your first remark is to call me a knob then you deserve to get your arse handed to you (again)
You've a choice to ignore, walk away, but here you are again and again, dry-humping my leg.
I see you added the above in bold, I'm not the one going through peoples post history and bringing up stuff from a year ago,
lol
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 08:28:02 pm
blah
Yeah, whatever. I don't see many people responding to you, which leads me to think that they probably are as bored by your incessant yapping as I am. They are, however, responding to me, and for the most part politely, even if they are taking issue. So with that in mind, and because I am the focus of your increasingly bizarre behaviour I'm going to pop you on ignore by way of discouragement.
Have a great life :thumbsup:
Post by: LMT on 28 March, 2021, 08:33:17 pm
blah
Yeah, whatever. I don't see many people responding to you, which leads me to think that they probably are as bored by your incessant yapping as I am. They are, however, responding to me, and for the most part politely, even if they are taking issue. So with that in mind, and because I am the focus of your increasingly bizarre behaviour I'm going to pop you on ignore by way of discouragement.
Have a great life :thumbsup:
Weak.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 28 March, 2021, 08:48:34 pm
I used to wear Olympic triathlon kit to train because I got it cheap in a bargain bin at a race, not because I was pretending to be one of the Brownlee brothers in disguise.Spooky, I am sitting here in GBR triathlon kit at this very moment. I wear it to go to Tesco’s.
One of my other riding partners is a GBR Triathlete. Good enough to compete in the world champs.
Can't stand rude cosplaying noobs either. Doubt she'd object to anyone wearing GBR kit though.
Post by: fd3 on 28 March, 2021, 09:39:47 pm
Post by: Poacher on 28 March, 2021, 10:35:40 pm
Post by: Basil on 28 March, 2021, 10:52:22 pm
Post by: Vernon on 29 March, 2021, 08:55:47 am
Bugger. I've run out of pop corn.
Best pop out to the shops for some more then. And while you're there, don't forget a pint of milk 😁
Post by: nicknack on 29 March, 2021, 09:40:56 am
;DBugger. I've run out of pop corn.
Best pop out to the shops for some more then. And while you're there, don't forget a pint of milk 😁
Post by: Davef on 29 March, 2021, 10:54:51 am
You should take inspiration from that car bumper sticker and get a shirt printed with “my other training partner is a GBR triathlete”I used to wear Olympic triathlon kit to train because I got it cheap in a bargain bin at a race, not because I was pretending to be one of the Brownlee brothers in disguise.Spooky, I am sitting here in GBR triathlon kit at this very moment. I wear it to go to Tesco’s.
One of my other riding partners is a GBR Triathlete. Good enough to compete in the world champs.
Can't stand rude cosplaying noobs either. Doubt she'd object to anyone wearing GBR kit though.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 29 March, 2021, 06:16:50 pm
No passes at all, today, let alone close passes and no hello.
Disappointed. Roll on the weekend. I's gonna surf me some noobs 🏄♂️
Post by: Jaded on 29 March, 2021, 06:18:41 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 29 March, 2021, 06:20:19 pm
Post by: ravenbait on 29 March, 2021, 06:42:14 pm
Only on yacf could people contort themselves into portraying saying 'hello' as the crime of the century. But hey, I guess there wasn't much going on yesterday.
I genuinely thought yesterday was about not saying hello being categorised as the crime of the century. Either way, it's ludicrous. Say hello or don't. It's not the end of the world.
Sam
Post by: ian on 29 March, 2021, 07:53:26 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 29 March, 2021, 09:22:43 pm
preamble) launches into; "Where are you from and where are you going to?"* Sometimes its: "Where have you cycled from". On every single occasion, without fail, when I've replied, the cyclist doesn't offer any information about himself (without some sort of prompting).
Now, this may not be an issue with some people, but I don't like giving out personal info (however
trivial to perfect strangers). I mean,, if I was walking down the High Street (like many people do) I
wouldn't expect a total stranger to ask me where I've been, or which shops I intend to make a
purchase in.
*This happened on Sunday, just before the descent into (newly resurfaced) Chedworth Woods.
Post by: Basil on 29 March, 2021, 09:51:16 pm
I throw my own faeces at anyone who comes within 20 metres. It's a lot easier if I'm not cycling.
When I see another cyclist, I pull alongside, u turning if necessary, and ask them if I can be their best friend for ever.
Post by: ian on 29 March, 2021, 09:53:19 pm
Post by: LMT on 29 March, 2021, 10:05:39 pm
Only on yacf could people contort themselves into portraying saying 'hello' as the crime of the century. But hey, I guess there wasn't much going on yesterday.
No passes at all, today, let alone close passes and no hello.
Disappointed. Roll on the weekend. I's gonna surf me some noobs 🏄♂️
Have fun, the renegade that you are I've no doubt that you will.
Post by: jsabine on 29 March, 2021, 10:49:24 pm
On the lookout for anyone who gets too close whilst hunched up over their tubing, without even the common decency for a... oh never mind
I wasn't sure if you were looking for a reacharound, but I *do* get the feeling LMT isn't going to offer one without a lot more persuasion.
Post by: TimC on 30 March, 2021, 04:37:36 am
I almost always say hello to riders I pass or am passed by. If they start a conversation, however, I'll probably go back into my shell, take the next turn to somewhere I've never heard of, or simply stop and wait for them to go away. I just don't have the breath, brainpower or desire to talk to people when I'm on my bike. I don't do it even if I'm on a (very rare) group ride.
I do do the 'pass on the flat, die on the hill' thing because I'm overweight and underfit but reasonably strong, so I can go fairly quick on the flat but as soon as the road introduces verticality, I'm fucked. Conversely, I can pass you really fast on the downhill bits. Sadly, there just aren't enough of those where I live, and those there are have an annoying habit of being associated with uphills. I also have some reasonably nice bikes and a few items of expensive kit (no Castelli, I think), so I probably fit the brief. On those rare occasions I overtake anyone in my bit of very rural Suffolk, I do try to pass with a decent amount of clearance however - and, if there's enough breath to spare, a 'hello'.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 07:18:07 am
Deliberate close-passing is pretty anti-social behaviour already, ignoring a greeting just confirms it. So yeah, they get another unexpected 'hello' from me, and it rarely needs a hill. Apparently this is bordering on abuse ;D But, this is yacf so ridiculous hyperbole and moralistic crowing is to be expected.
Solo I've usually got banging music going on, sometimes on club rides too, but that doesn't stop me acknowledging other humans. Conversations do occur, even on commutes (rural). Both parties have to be up for it, obvs, but socially and emotionally intelligent people know how to work that one out.
I see the same bunch of people commuting in the opposite direction sometimes for years. Nearly all will give a wave, a hello and usually a grin. There is one miserable cunt who just scowls (cosplaying kitwanker too) but that just means my hellos have become more exuberant over the years, yes, just for my own petty amusement. Encountering people going the same direction is rarer, because it requires a big speed differential, but I know some of them by name now. I haven't had to interrogate it out of them using threats and a bright lamp...they are just...you know.. social people capable of a conversation. There's a mile long flat drag race stretch at the end of my commute, and I usually try to hold 30mph down it, if I see someone ahead and I sense that they might be up for it I sometimes shout "jump on'", and we'll chain gang it. Great fun. <awaits the forum monobores outrage at this>
Post by: Chris N on 30 March, 2021, 07:39:23 am
Unless you’re just trolling, in which case stop being such a cock.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 08:03:19 am
As for calling me a cock, very excellent.
Post by: ravenbait on 30 March, 2021, 12:20:21 pm
See thread title. Saying hello as a punishment. Good one. One small paragraph refers to this. The bulk of my post is about social interaction. If you aren't interested don't read it. If you are bothered by my posts, dont read them. You could ignore it. As can everyone. Strangely enough this entire forum is almost entirely full of people 'keeping going on' about stuff, and guess what...they don't need your permission so to do.
I wouldn't bother any more, but I'm not going to let accusations of "moralistic crowing" go unanswered. Other than being in a thread about close passes, and thus possibly you thought it was implied, nothing in your original post says anything about the behaviour or otherwise of the passing cyclist except with respect to what they are wearing and riding and whether or not they say hello. You don't even mention them passing particularly closely in your original reply to this thread; you just say "any cyclist", which is where my initial disagreement came from. If anything, the moralistic crowing is you going on about how you are entitled to a response.
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Me and my mate, Steve, go noobsurfing on our rides. The rules are thus: Should any cyclist overtake us and not respond in kind to our cheery greetings we are to allow them to build up what looks like an unassailable lead, and then upon a nod of agreement reel them back in, but not too soon. The skill is to get the timing right, know the route, so that the catch occurs about a third of the way up a climb, just as they are dying. Being both seasoned fixed gear riders it is only ever going to end one way. Naturally we relish the opportunity to extract a resentful hello from them. The funniest are the ones who refuse to make eye contact and just give a feint nod. Bonus points if they are riding deep rimmed carbon wheels and full Castelli in winter/spring.
Nobody owes you social interaction. Nobody owes anyone social interaction. (Thinking otherwise is what leads men to yell, "Smile, luv.") Sure, it's friendly, but maybe someone doesn't feel like being friendly. Maybe their dog just died. Maybe they just lost a relative. Maybe they are the reincarnation of Greta Garbo. Maybe they have major social anxiety and/or introversion and getting out on the bike takes them away from having to interact with human beings. Maybe that's the only kit they've got. Maybe they've only got one bike because they bought it off a posh mate during lockdown. This is the only point I've been trying to make. The impression I get from your posts is that you consider anyone who doesn't say hello to be a wanker.
If someone close passes you on the bike and you catch them up, maybe try, "Could you leave a bit more space next time? Thanks!" I've done this -- I'm blind on my right side and I hate close passes or people riding on my offside (unless they are offering a ready supply of jelly babies, like Mrs Pike does). Friendly, and might improve the behaviour. Surely we should be encouraging people and helping them share road space considerately if we can, rather than enacting some sort of revenge that the other cyclist may not even realise is a response to something you perceive them to have done? If all we do is catch them and say hello really loudly, it's not going to change anything.
The whole "noob" concept reminds me of this XKCD strip:
https://xkcd.com/1053/ (https://xkcd.com/1053/)
Loads of people have taken up cycling this past year. It's brilliant. I hope they keep cycling. The more cyclists there are, the safer the roads are, which makes my life better. I don't care if they've spent ten grand on something spun out of fairy jizz and spider tears because they haven't had to shell out on gym fees and fuel for their Porche SUV for 12 months. I don't care whether or not they say hello. They are making my life better just by being out there on a bike. If they pass me too closely, I'll ask them to leave more space, but generally I only get close passes from cyclists in chain gangs when I'm out by myself.
And motor vehicle drivers, obviously.
Sam
Post by: LMT on 30 March, 2021, 12:25:43 pm
I'm putting a line under this thread, as the saying goes:-
'Don't argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 12:36:55 pm
We've already been through this many times with you banging on about me not mentioning this and not mentioning that, and me then pointing out to you that I had. When I haven't I have provided you with clarification, but you respond with accusations of 'changing goalposts', or just ignoring the clarification totally. You are doing it here again with a 'but in your first post you said'. It makes me think that you are just here to point score.
We've already done the 'smile luv' and women thing to death. In fact, you and a couple of others have exhausted pretty much every possible scenario possible in an attempt to avoid the one that actually happened. My OP was not about you. You weren't there.
Yeah, sure, it's great that people are discovering cycling, but no, dickpasses are not cool. You are now suggesting I should ride up and confront their behaviour. I don't want to do that...I prefer to just model good behaviour and encourage cycling etiquette by saying 'hello'. Twice, if needed.
Post by: MartinC on 30 March, 2021, 12:52:39 pm
.......Loads of people have taken up cycling this past year. It's brilliant. I hope they keep cycling. The more cyclists there are, the safer the roads are, which makes my life better. I don't care if they've spent ten grand on something spun out of fairy jizz and spider tears because they haven't had to shell out on gym fees and fuel for their Porche SUV for 12 months. I don't care whether or not they say hello. They are making my life better just by being out there on a bike..............
This.
Post by: Ian H on 30 March, 2021, 12:59:01 pm
...I prefer to just model good behaviour...
Are you bored, old chap?
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 01:00:26 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 01:03:57 pm
.......Loads of people have taken up cycling this past year. It's brilliant. I hope they keep cycling. The more cyclists there are, the safer the roads are, which makes my life better. I don't care if they've spent ten grand on something spun out of fairy jizz and spider tears because they haven't had to shell out on gym fees and fuel for their Porche SUV for 12 months. I don't care whether or not they say hello. They are making my life better just by being out there on a bike..............
This.
Except that they are behaving with exactly the same attitude as if they are in a Porsche...and this thread is about close passes by cyclists. QG is pissed off by them. I'm offering a solution.
Post by: ravenbait on 30 March, 2021, 01:30:44 pm
It's...err...kind of implied in a thread title called "Close passes", and an OP that is all about close passes from cyclists that my reply (quite early in the thread) is also going to be about close passes. Sometimes people are so eager to get all stompy on their self-imagined moral high ground that intelligent reading of a post doesn't happen. This is not uncommon on Internet fora.
I don't know you. In order to understand your POV, all I have to go on is the sum total of what you write in your posts. This, too, is a feature of the internet. It is not uncommon on internet fora for people to jump into a thread with some opinion that is only vaguely related to the original post.
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We've already been through this many times with you banging on about me not mentioning this and not mentioning that, and me then pointing out to you that I had.
You hadn't.
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When I haven't I have provided you with clarification, but you respond with accusations of 'changing goalposts', or just ignoring the clarification totally. You are doing it here again with a 'but in your first post you said'. It makes me think that you are just here to point score.
I'm genuinely not. Jeez, I have MUCH better things to do with my time. Just when I thought we'd got a common point of understanding, which was you having a very specific issue with some dude in Castelli kit who shaved your elbow at some point while you were out with your mate Steve, you then talked about going out noob-hunting again. You keep contradicting yourself, which is why I mentioned moving goalposts. First it was any cyclist, then it was rude people who are marginally dangerous, and then it was this one specific dude in Castelli, and then we were back to noobs, however the hell you are supposed to tell a person's riding experience from what they are wearing.
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We've already done the 'smile luv' and women thing to death. In fact, you and a couple of others have exhausted pretty much every possible scenario possible in an attempt to avoid the one that actually happened. My OP was not about you. You weren't there.
If you can't understand how your expectations of "hello" based on your subjective opinion of what complete strangers owe you socially is thematically related to how men expect women to smile for them, then the problem isn't mine. You keep conflating the general with the specific. Is this a specific instance or not? Was it one instance, or do you go out looking for opportunities to catch people on a hill and extract a resentful hello? Because it sure as hell sounds like the latter.
I wasn't there. You are correct. But as far as I can tell from the sum total of your posts on this, this is an ongoing, habitual response to anyone who meets your definition of kitwanker, which seems to be someone in matching gear who doesn't say hello. If I'm wrong, if it's just this one dude, then I don't get the whole "noob surfing" or whatever you call it.
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Yeah, sure, it's great that people are discovering cycling, but no, dickpasses are not cool. You are now suggesting I should ride up and confront their behaviour. I don't want to do that...I prefer to just model good behaviour and encourage cycling etiquette by saying 'hello'. Twice, if needed.
This is not modelling good behaviour. If you wait until they are dying on a hill -- to be, in your own words, petty -- you are absolutely not modelling good behaviour. How about just catching them up almost immediately and offering some friendly advice if you want to model good behaviour? They may not even realise they have done something wrong.
There are two scenarios described here, and I genuinely can't tell which it is.
1. You and your mate Steve tool around the rural highways and byways of the Cotswolds, and when ANY cyclist passes you without saying "hello," you engineer it that you catch them on a hill just when they are suffering the most, and try to get them to say hello. This is more enjoyable if they are wearing matching kit and are riding a road bike built for speed.
2. One time, you and your mate Steve were passed closely by someone on a bike with deep-rim wheels wearing Castelli kit who did not respond to your cheery "Hello!" You then made sure to catch them on a hill when they were suffering and said "Hello!" again.
What I think you might mean is that you chase down people who are on expensive road bikes and wearing team kit, and who have passed closely but not greeted you. You then say "Hello!" again when they are out of breath on a hill, because you think they owe you a greeting. You present this as some sort of "solution" when the actual solution is to speed up a bit, catch them quickly while they know who you are and what you're talking about, and suggest they leave a bit more room next time.
Honestly? I DGAF what you do. I do know I'd rather not ride with someone who thinks this is modelling good behaviour. As that seems highly unlikely ever to happen, I'll leave you to your petty fellow cyclist bothering.
Sam
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 02:54:32 pm
Kind of need to think about it in that context.
Post by: davelodwig on 30 March, 2021, 03:23:59 pm
Hardly. It's not exactly a "Smile luv" scenario, is it ::-)
It's just manners and not being an asocial weirdo.
Remember, this isn't an urban area.
Apologies for going backwards in the thread,
I had commented earlier that I like to chase racer types up hills on the e-bike and overtake them, well I do but never to say hello. Usually it's because I'm bored on yet another commute home up the hill at birdlip and frankly yeah I've got a bonus 250w of assistance so I am going to climb quicker than you unless you are a pro.
The saying hello thing, it's not politeness, it's some pseudo rules of the road made up bollocks. Yeah you like to say hello in your cycling club.. fine I'm not in your club nor do I want to be, don't expect me to respond I'm listening to an audio book thinking about the shit I've got to deal with / dealt with at work. I owe you exactly fucking nothing. You want to chase me and then shout hello loudly fill yer boots, I probably won't hear you anyway my hearings knackered and audio book but don't be too upset when I give you the finger and tell you to fuck off.
There's an old boy in my Morris side who's the same, chased someone down because they didn't respond to his hello. Alas he got thumped for his pains because chasing someone and lecturing them is often taken badly especially by someone who had gone out for a ride because they had a whole bucket of life shit to deal with.
And for it not being urban, I'm in the same bit of the Cotswolds, it's full of wankers who think I've got to respond to their "cheery" hello. No sight of them when it's bloody snowing though, wimps.
Post by: rogerzilla on 30 March, 2021, 03:30:29 pm
Sam* sees rider half a mile ahead
Sam accelerates
Sam passes rider with a cheery "hello"
A minute later, I pass rider with a cheery "sorry for my friend, he's got the wind up his arse today"
*no relation to any Sams on this forum
As the thread is about close passes, may I nominate Dulwich Paragon on the Dun Run? They nearly had my front wheel on the A104, and were shouting abuse as they went. I understand they get complaints every year. Still got to the beach before the bastards, as they couldn't navigate for toffee. The same group passed us two or three times and we saw them heading in the wrong direction near Gosbeck.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 03:43:40 pm
shouty sweary ranting
We are at the point now that people are getting angry because somebody said 'hello' to them.
Could this get any more surreal.
I once said hello to you from the window of my van. I now realise it was a terrible mistake and you have my sincerest apology.
Post by: davelodwig on 30 March, 2021, 03:57:06 pm
shouty sweary ranting
We are at the point now that people are getting angry because somebody said 'hello' to them.
Could this get any more surreal.
I once said hello to you from the window of my van. I now realise it was a terrible mistake and you have my sincerest apology.
Sighs,
Right it's not about people saying hello.
It's about feeling the need to chase people overtake them and shout hello because they "ignored you"
You have the right to say hello to people, I likewise have the right to wonder who you are talking to when I'm clearly doing something and ignore you and hope you go away. Sometimes I'm in a jovial mood and would respond, sometimes I've had a hideous day of services on fire (sometimes literally) and am in no mood to talk to anyone cheery hello or not.
If you feel I've been impolite or broken some unwritten rule of the road and need to be corrected then frankly that's your problem and a bit creepy to be honest just let people be.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 04:31:06 pm
See thread title. Read thread. It's about people doing dickpasses and behaving ignorantly, but having me reappear with a cheery hello. It isn't about not being able to cope with being overtaken, nor is about people not saying hello in response (although, frankly, I think people who can't respond to a greeting are just, well, maybe a bit odd)
Post by: TimC on 30 March, 2021, 07:07:25 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 07:24:30 pm
Post by: αdαmsκι on 30 March, 2021, 07:42:19 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 07:44:37 pm
Post by: De Sisti on 30 March, 2021, 07:55:36 pm
Post by: αdαmsκι on 30 March, 2021, 07:56:12 pm
Post by: Davef on 30 March, 2021, 08:08:36 pm
There is one miserable cunt who just scowls (cosplaying kitwanker too) but that just means my hellos have become more exuberant over the years, yes, just for my own petty amusement.That sounds like a prime example of antisocial behaviour.
Post by: Kim on 30 March, 2021, 08:09:59 pm
As I cycled towards a horse rider today (just before the ascent to Knapps Lane and Catswood Lane, adjacent to Slad Valley road B4070, as I rode toward The Camp) I made her aware of my presence from about 20-25 yards away. She thanked me for it, before criticising cyclists who whizz past her, too closely and without letting her or her horse know they're approaching from behind.
Motorists not giving a shit is normal and ordinary, but how anyone thinks that passing half a tonne of steel-toecapped neuroses at close range on a bike is a good idea baffles me. ???
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 08:12:00 pm
There is one miserable cunt who just scowls (cosplaying kitwanker too) but that just means my hellos have become more exuberant over the years, yes, just for my own petty amusement.That sounds like a prime example of antisocial behaviour.
Saying hello = anti-social behaviour.
We are truly through the looking glass with that little piece of wisdom. :thumbsup:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 08:12:58 pm
As I cycled towards a horse rider today (just before the ascent to Knapps Lane and Catswood Lane, adjacent to Slad Valley road B4070, as I rode toward The Camp) I made her aware of my presence from about 20-25 yards away. She thanked me for it, before criticising cyclists who whizz past her, too closely and without letting her or her horse know they're approaching from behind.
Motorists not giving a shit is normal and ordinary, but how anyone thinks that passing half a tonne of steel-toecapped neuroses at close range on a bike is a good idea baffles me. ???
I simply can't imagine who these people are
Post by: De Sisti on 30 March, 2021, 08:14:35 pm
As I stated upthread, I saw it myself on my Bredon Hill ride last Saturday.As I cycled towards a horse rider today (just before the ascent to Knapps Lane and Catswood Lane, adjacent to Slad Valley road B4070, as I rode toward The Camp) I made her aware of my presence from about 20-25 yards away. She thanked me for it, before criticising cyclists who whizz past her, too closely and without letting her or her horse know they're approaching from behind.
Motorists not giving a shit is normal and ordinary, but how anyone thinks that passing half a tonne of steel-toecapped neuroses at close range on a bike is a good idea baffles me. ???
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 08:17:11 pm
Post by: Davef on 30 March, 2021, 09:19:52 pm
Nothing wrong with saying hello. That is completely normal social behaviour and most people will be happy with that. A small minority will not be. You have deduced this person is not happy with it and yet you say for your amusement you continue. I think that is close to the text book definition of antisocial behaviour.There is one miserable cunt who just scowls (cosplaying kitwanker too) but that just means my hellos have become more exuberant over the years, yes, just for my own petty amusement.That sounds like a prime example of antisocial behaviour.
Saying hello = anti-social behaviour.
We are truly through the looking glass with that little piece of wisdom. :thumbsup:
Post by: Hot Flatus on 30 March, 2021, 09:28:59 pm
Post by: Davef on 30 March, 2021, 10:32:01 pm
Yeah well I remember your input on the covid threads a year ago, so the notion of you lecturing me on what constitutes anti-social behaviour is more than a little amusingIs that what they call deflection ? Do remind me, all I can remember is you learning the meaning of the word fomite soon after using it a couple of times..
Post by: TimC on 31 March, 2021, 01:51:44 am
I'm going to visit adamski at some point in the near future (Hadleigh). We'll circle round you shouting "hello Tim!" through megaphones
Do say hello if you're coming over. I'm not far from Hadleigh. As kind of indicated above, I can't expect or promise to ride with you, but it would be good to say hello. And then, of course, run you over with some outrageously large SUV or otherwise humiliate you for... being you. I will, of course, defend my old friend RB to the hilt, so prepare for gunfights at dawn. Or something like that. I will possibly even slap you with a wet fish.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 March, 2021, 06:11:54 am
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Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 March, 2021, 06:25:11 am
Yeah well I remember your input on the covid threads a year ago, so the notion of you lecturing me on what constitutes anti-social behaviour is more than a little amusingIs that what they call deflection ? Do remind me, all I can remember is you learning the meaning of the word fomite soon after using it a couple of times.
What this, you mean?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=115080.msg2492496#msg2492496
Looks like your memory serves you badly. Maybe your memory is attributing chrisbainbridge's quote to me. Or perhaps you didn't understand that my response a few posts later was sarcastic and took it literally.
Anyway, let's get back to you explaining how a cheery "Morning!" is textbook anti-social behaviour.
Post by: Davef on 31 March, 2021, 07:37:29 pm
My memory serves me well thanks.Yeah well I remember your input on the covid threads a year ago, so the notion of you lecturing me on what constitutes anti-social behaviour is more than a little amusingIs that what they call deflection ? Do remind me, all I can remember is you learning the meaning of the word fomite soon after using it a couple of times.
What this, you mean?
https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=115080.msg2492496#msg2492496
Looks like your memory serves you badly. Maybe your memory is attributing chrisbainbridge's quote to me. Or perhaps you didn't understand that my response a few posts later was sarcastic and took it literally.
Anyway, let's get back to you explaining how a cheery "Morning!" is textbook anti-social behaviour.
There is one miserable cunt who just scowls (cosplaying kitwanker too) but that just means my hellos have become more exuberant over the years, yes, just for my own petty amusement.Saying hello is clearly not antisocial. Not replying is perhaps not sociable but also is not antisocial behaviour. It is the repeatedly doing this “over years” when you know the recipient does not want you to as “he just scowls”, and yet you do this more and more as you say for your “petty amusement”. It is that behaviour I believe is antisocial behaviour.
I guess we will just have to disagree.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 March, 2021, 07:48:12 pm
Come to think of it, I didn't commute in today. Or yesterday. God, what have I done! I must, however fucking lazy I feel in the morning, get on my bike and ride that damned commute. Not for my sake. But for his.
Post by: Davef on 31 March, 2021, 08:02:18 pm
Lots of assumptions there. I might the one point of light in his day. The one affirmation of his existence in his otherwise joyless, friendless world. Yes, he can't summon a reply such is his inner despair, but maybe, just maybe, my welcoming smile and breezy "Morning!" is the one thing he looks forward to.Perhaps he is scowling sarcastically.
Come to think of it, I didn't commute in today. Or yesterday. God, what have I done! I must, however fucking lazy I feel in the morning, get on my bike and ride that damned commute. Not for my sake. But for his.
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 March, 2021, 08:05:21 pm
Post by: ian on 31 March, 2021, 08:20:45 pm
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 31 March, 2021, 08:24:17 pm
Maybe he is a perambulating modern art installation entitled 'Alienation'You heartless bastard Flatus! I know you deliberately timed that so that I would read it when I had a mouth full of tea. A new keyboard is the least you can do for me. Come to think of it, it had better be all you do for me, too.
Post by: fd3 on 31 March, 2021, 09:27:33 pm
Post by: Hot Flatus on 31 March, 2021, 10:46:44 pm
Post by: ian on 01 April, 2021, 09:19:02 am
Post by: Hot Flatus on 01 April, 2021, 09:31:43 am
I've only got a bicycle. Not a fucking flux capacitor ;)
Post by: ravenbait on 01 April, 2021, 04:44:32 pm
Do say hello if you're coming over. I'm not far from Hadleigh. As kind of indicated above, I can't expect or promise to ride with you, but it would be good to say hello. And then, of course, run you over with some outrageously large SUV or otherwise humiliate you for... being you. I will, of course, defend my old friend RB to the hilt, so prepare for gunfights at dawn. Or something like that. I will possibly even slap you with a wet fish.Oh wow. that reminds me of the time I got barred from what was then the Brewhouse in Bristol for "making lewd and obscene gestures" at the barman with a 10lb salmon ;D.
Friendship is not commutative. I appreciate the intent but can defend myself, if needed, thank you O:-). Recreational fish slapping sounds like an entertaining way to spend an afternoon, however. A bit like jellyfish jousting.
Sam
Post by: Cudzoziemiec on 01 April, 2021, 06:03:33 pm
Or were they not aware of her presence until too late to deviate from their line, perhaps because they were all head down intent on maximum speed? Perhaps the absence of motor traffic meant they didn't feel a need to pay attention (we're not told if this happened on a road or cycle path)?
Or were they enacting the revenge situation? You can imagine it now:
een: "There's that antisocial English female ahead of us."
twee: "She's not English, she's Italian."
drie: "Nonsense! I know for a fact she's from Curacao."
vier: "She swore at me in Korean."
drie: "How do you know it was Korean?"
vier: "She has a DMZ accent."
twee: "She's Italian I tell you. You can tell by the way she rides her bike as if she driving a Fiat."
een: "Enough of this! Wherever she's from, the fact is yesterday she did not return our cheery greeting and so today, she must be taught a lesson. Are you ready numbers? Line astern now!"
(But I think it was more likely the second scenario with shades of the first.)
Post by: jsabine on 01 April, 2021, 06:06:22 pm
On the lookout for anyone who gets too close whilst hunched up over their tubing, without even the common decency for a... oh never mind
I wasn't sure if you were looking for a reacharound, but I *do* get the feeling LMT isn't going to offer one without a lot more persuasion.
LMT is probably too busy felching donkeys ;)(click to show/hide)
Six years ago almost to the day. Goodness.
Post by: C-3PO on 01 April, 2021, 11:11:23 pm
It will be locked if excellence is not resumed.
Post by: LMT on 01 April, 2021, 11:14:10 pm
On the lookout for anyone who gets too close whilst hunched up over their tubing, without even the common decency for a... oh never mind
I wasn't sure if you were looking for a reacharound, but I *do* get the feeling LMT isn't going to offer one without a lot more persuasion.
LMT is probably too busy felching donkeys ;)(click to show/hide)
Oh dear, accusing me of beastiality. For the record this post has been reported to the mods, I drew a line under this thread a couple of days ago but you still mention me by name - rent free for sure.