We picked up this addiction from Deano, I think. Fboab is much more committed to it than me.
I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.You need to join Whitburn Coastal Rowers (https://scottishcoastalrowing.org/2015/07/14/latimer-ledja-skiff-100-official-launch/) :D
I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.
I've been poking at this for just over a year, but I only took it moderately seriously after Si S mentioned he was trying to chase me down ;D
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:
Wait, veloviewer tile game accepts open water swims as valid for bagging tiles?
Cos this tile is causing me issues:
https://goo.gl/maps/kaR7HfBz3E92
J
I do have one square that was bagged by an open water swim at Shepperton Lake:
Wait, veloviewer tile game accepts open water swims as valid for bagging tiles?
Cos this tile is causing me issues:
https://goo.gl/maps/kaR7HfBz3E92
J
There are no official rules but in general all human powered activities are accepted. You can log them as a swim with Strava. Just like a few of those tiles in your area have been done on skates in the past winter. A kayak would for example also be acceptable. A sailing vessel is stretching the limits of the rules.
That certainly puts my map in the shade...
(http://photos.quixotic.eu/misc/tiles.png)
J
You've done your map in one year, mine is the result of 10 years of cycling with a GPS.
I forgot the add a screenshot of my current square (and part of the cluster) in my first post in this thread:That’s beautiful
(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/veloviewer+tiles+120618.jpg)
I have been trying to ignore this because I know what will happen.
Anyway - paid my £10 this morning and been out on the MTB this afternoon to bump the square up from 11*11 to 14*14. I was brambled and nettled but loved it. Got another key square planned into tomorrow's ride. It is only a little detour...
Explorer score:
5477 tiles, average of 4.025 km per tile
Max square 5x5
Max Cluster: 48
Max square:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1735/41061959230_225afef897_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgUj)
Max cluster, 367 squares:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1763/41061958420_05d4556421_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25yvgEm)
Unlikely to beat this for a while as I don't live there any more. Max cluster for the new house is not much different to the max square above.
Total tiles: 3053
Unfortunately, I've only got Strava data going back to mid-2013 - although if I did it probably wouldn't do much for my square and cluster scores it would increase my total tiles by a fair amount.
Explorer score:
6913 tiles, average of 7.637 km per tile
Max square 16x16
Max Cluster: 989
Same here. To increase the cluster and link there and here, would mean rides through... Lincolnshire. *shudder*.
Unlikely to beat this for a while as I don't live there any more. Max cluster for the new house is not much different to the max square above.
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Greenbank and "I've got some scripts" go together like "Peas and Carrots" or "Bacon and Eggs" :thumbsup:
#hooked
#hooked
Yep.
Another 60k on the MTB today picking up 6 key tiles but...
...the GPS only recorded the first 2k :(
Looks like a good excuse for another bike ride :)
I've been poking at this for just over a year, but I only took it moderately seriously after Si S mentioned he was trying to chase me down ;D
I'm not convinced it's my fault you know...but thick skin and sloping shoulders and all that.
Slightly extended commute this morning to bag two extra tiles over in Bermondsey. That added 17 to my max cluster.
Or you can bring up Ordnance Survey maps on Bing to get rights of way https://www.bing.com/maps?FORM=Z9LH3
OSM =/= OS, though.
I flip between VV and RWGPS when I'm planning.
Mr Smith is more patient than me and plans on the OS website- but it's utter pants so I don't.
The Strava route planner is awful.
You might be able to generate a kml grid matching the Veloviewer squares using this tool.Perhaps it was missed further up? vv can already output a Kml of the squares not got yet. Here's an example in Basecamp.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180625/b195fe09765a128bd763c202d3485f23.jpg)
https://www.binaryearth.net/KMLMultitool/
You could then overlay in your favourite mapping software including those that show OS mapping.
Bumped mine up to this today -
Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML
(http://i64.tinypic.com/11rdsub.png)
Bumped mine up to this today -
Explorer score:
5326 tiles, average of 4.773 km per tile
Max square 11x11
Max Cluster: 299 KML
(http://i64.tinypic.com/11rdsub.png)
Dammn, we should do a Squareswap.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1769/29158441078_db5844827d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LqCCEJ)
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!
'Kin 'ell Deano, anyone would think you live near Darlo!
It's the best cycling in the country.
...Apart from East Durham.
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UKThe Strava route planner is awful.
It is? How so?
J
It maybe isn't as bad for you in FORRIN, but for us in the UK
- the mapping is shite when compared to Awesome Ordnance Survey
- it prioritises routes by strava transit density
- it doesn't distinguish much between different grades of ROW
- it has a shoddy refresh rate
- the export function is pants
I have to say that this topic, though very interesting in its own way, is really fouling up the GPS sub-board by remaining stuck at the top of the recent postings list.
Oh damn - there I've done it again ...
Oh, & thanks for the heads up on the Explorer Helper app, looks great. Up till now I've been exporting my squares kml to the maps.me app to refer to while out and about.
Its working for me ???
Did you make sure you have OsmAnd installed as well?
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1799/42106829035_2fe48a5906_z.jpg)
Today I ignored this and as a result didn't cycle quite far enough along the A47 between Bushby and Houghton before turning round. So I missed the bottom right hand square :facepalm:
I picked up a few others though and max square is now 21 :)
Hoping to add a big chunk to the cluster today (currently just 115). We'll see if I've plotted the route properly and whether I can follow it!
Been playing around with the planner, and have worked out that the max square I can get to before I have to get very creative with either substantial (2-3km) swims, is a 50x50. There is one square near here that I'm either gonna need a canoe, or a 1.5km swim, but it at least is officially listed as a swimming location, unlike the 3 tiles creating the 50 limit above, which are the main channel Separating Flevoland from the mainswamp^Wmainland. Would it be extravagant to get a sea kayak just to help collect tiles?
Today I ignored this and as a result didn't cycle quite far enough along the A47 between Bushby and Houghton before turning round. So I missed the bottom right hand square :facepalm:
I picked up a few others though and max square is now 21 :)
This is the kind of thing the app is really useful for- "have Itrespassed enoughgone far enough up this track to get the square"
It was Dean what got me into it (and seeing fboab and Chris S post about it too).Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo. ;D
I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/344zkty.png)
Struggling to get the app to work as an overlay in Osmand but it looks like it is usable by itself albeit with online maps.
.....................Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo. ;D
I've got a loose plan to get through all the squares in Kent by 2020, but some might be a bit tricky e.g. the Isle of Sheppey and Dungeness power station!
Purple is a 45km ride (so I'll probably ride to the start at Epsom to bring it up to 65km). Lots of nonsense around Mogador to bag a relatively isolated tile (although I can drop in on The Sportsman pub for a drinks top up).
That would bring me up to 14x14 (the black square) with some SE London riding to move to 20x20 relatively easily.
On the purple one, could you not move the big north/south leg (sorry I can't work out wihch direction you are doing the ride in) 2 squares east, to get the two just to the right of the black square, thus increasing your square by 1?
Living on the coast suckkkkks, you can only build one way.
I have saved the kml of uncompleted tiles from Veloviewer, converted it to a gpx using kml2gpx.com, sucked it into http://www.gpxeditor.co.uk/ and set the map type to OS resulting in:
It was Dean what got me into it (and seeing fboab and Chris S post about it too).Sunderland is hosting the Tall Ships race thing in a couple of weeks and they're opening up the Port as a fan zone or something. Bingo. ;D
I'm digging it, but only on 9x9! I can get 10x10 by going down a dead end or I can get something daft like 14x14 rather easily if I could get security clearance to get into the port. You can see my attempt to bag the square yesterday, but was stymied by a rather large man and an even larger fence.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/344zkty.png)
This is getting a bit silly - I've modified my routesheet for Saturday's Essex R&R to pick up a few new squares...
Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...
Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...
J
Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...
Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...
J
Although I'm only just beginning to "get" this, I have discovered that you can download a kml file of missing explorer tiles and load them as a map overlay, in Orux Maps (for android). This should make picking off missing tiles to grow your max square easier in real time navigation, assuming you're using your phone to navigate.
Fnnngh. Just did a 61km ride to pick up a load of tiles thinking it would be a big boost in my max square. Alas I just went from a load of 11x11's that overlapped, to a trio of overlapping 12x12's...
Now to work out what tiles I need to get next time...
J
I have a number of rides already loaded in my GPS marked as 'VV'. I can just take any of them when I fancy a ride depending on direction and amount of hills, knowing that they'll add to my veloviewer score.
Although I'm only just beginning to "get" this, I have discovered that you can download a kml file of missing explorer tiles and load them as a map overlay, in Orux Maps (for android). This should make picking off missing tiles to grow your max square easier in real time navigation, assuming you're using your phone to navigate.
Yup. Tho I find the veloviewer chrome extension ballows me to over lay the grid on the Strava route planner. Much more useful.
What I meant tho was decide which batch of tiles to target next to increase my max square. I've about 5 clumps i could target. But not sure which to go for first.
J
On the Veloviewer update page, click show options. Then you can tick the activity types you want to copy.
I think the ones where you have to go into an industrial estate cul-de-sac for half a mile then reverse are a bit more soul-destroying :)
A lot of Dutch riders have their expansion limited by this tile.
The ultimate in Tilehunting in your part of the Netherlands would be towing a Kayak behind your bike, offloading it when you're at the shore, adding the wet tiles and hunt a few extra tiles while cycling back.
A packraft would be easier to carry on a bike. And you could carry the bike on the packraft.
It wasn't exactly cunning - I just rode past the security desk one Sunday and they must have been on their tea break.I think that's the very definition of casual cunning. :D
A packraft would be easier to carry on a bike. And you could carry the bike on the packraft.
It wasn't exactly cunning - I just rode past the security desk one Sunday and they must have been on their tea break.I think that's the very definition of casual cunning. :D
Boom--max cluster has now moved to the NORTH (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180827/cda3f08844988fa2083cd6bf2d11b1c8.jpg)
My max square has been stuck on 29x29 for over a year, mainly due to (a) injury and (b) pushing my total explorer score beyond 33,000.
(https://i.imgur.com/Cr6pRj8.jpg)
Yesterday I went out and bagged 20 tiles east and south of Andover, taking my max square to 30x30
(https://i.imgur.com/G21srPw.png)
I live near the eastern edge of the square. I suppose that show my preference for rides to the west. To increase my max square, I'll have to go north and/or south.
While it's mildly irksome that you don't get anything for riding through the many tunnels in northern Norway (especially the 7km Nordkapptunnel), tiles that far north are about half the width of those in UK, so if you travel E-W you can bag twice as many for riding the same distance.
(https://i.imgur.com/YK8X7Ji.jpg)
I've got a loose plan to get through all the squares in Kent by 2020, but some might be a bit tricky e.g. the Isle of Sheppey and Dungeness power station!
Nice goal!
Dungeness itself doesn't look to be a problem. You can get the square containing the bulk of the power station on a public road (up to whatever that mound is just North of it). It's the stuff to the West of the power station (in the 'Danger Area' on the OS maps) that might be a problem, that and the bit North of Camber Sands.
Salvatore, I see some red specks in the upper red corner, did you ride around Kem and the Solovki Islands?
Salvatore, I see some red specks in the upper red corner, did you ride around Kem and the Solovki Islands?
Not Kem, but on Bolshoi Solovetski, from our hotel to a village (Rebolda) on the north of the island on hired mountain bikes.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/9275373237_5f5541f2f8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)A bridge on the old road to Rebolda (https://flic.kr/p/f8CHje)
And hired a rowing boat on the lake/canal system built by the monks.
Current max square is a piffling 7x7...
Max cluster is 225...
So I paid my £10 and would post an image of my squares if I could work out how to... If the answer is "re-read the whole thread" then tell me!
...and a miserable 6x6...
...and a miserable 6x6...
Me too.
...and a miserable 6x6...
Me too.
Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.
The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.
And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.
Hmph.
Tried posting my map (https://flic.kr/p/MvHqbg), but can't find a way to upload/embed photos.
...and a miserable 6x6...
Me too.
Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.
The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.
And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.
Hmph.
...and a miserable 6x6...
Me too.
Yes, well looking at our maps, they cover much of the same roads.
The simple fact is that in rural areas with a sparse road network which go around mountains, it's never going to be as easy to get a big grid as it is in a more urban environment where roads criss-cross every square.
And I CBA walking around dull mounds of Aberdeenshire just for this.
Hmph.
Go offroading. Finding offroad tracks is part of the fun. There are loads of estate tracks and stuff that hardly anyone will have ridden...
Is there any mechanism to highlight newly acquired squares?
There's one annoying tile that's just a few metres off route - to get it, I would need to go at low tide and climb over some rocks...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1928/43996554715_9a75e518a7.jpg)
These two clusters are all offroad so will need a separate visit on a different bike, or on foot...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/31036454778_7f35ea1581.jpg)
You may find that for the 6 squares, 5 of them can be got by hiring a canoe. (Or swimming if you're brave). In theory there is a path down along the Stour here, but it's not perfect, it tends to get full of angry cows at some point, and it can be a muddy mess. I'd do it from the water...
Welcome to the addiction that is The Tile Game.
I've done Plucks Gutter to Richborough on foot before but not with GPS, and not for some years so I can't remember what the terrain is like. I was thinking it might be MTB-able but maybe that's optimistic. Hadn't thought of boating it. Interesting idea.
One tile in that cluster is only accessible by private farm tracks, so might need a bit of creative trespassing.
QuoteWelcome to the addiction that is The Tile Game.
I'm hoping this will motivate me to get out on the bike more. I'm tired of doing the same old routes and find it demotivating...
And then you get routes like this one:
https://www.strava.com/routes/15115059
I have no idea what I'm going to set as the controls of this one when I try it as a DIY...
J
Note that if you do stuff on foot, you need to record it as a Run (a slow one!) rather than a Walk or Hike for it to show up in VV.
Note that if you do stuff on foot, you need to record it as a Run (a slow one!) rather than a Walk or Hike for it to show up in VV.
Go offroading. Finding offroad tracks is part of the fun. There are loads of estate tracks and stuff that hardly anyone will have ridden.
Or the occasional hike-a-bike down a footpath to bag a square
I can see that I'm going to have to get myself one of these newfangled so-called "gravel" bikes...
Max square 32x32
Yeah, Derbyshire's probably pretty good in that respect - a good network of lanes and no large bodies of water. There's a large area of open moorland at the north of the county which becomes more tricky for cycling. Many squares with no cyclable routes or even footpaths, though much of it is open access land so not insurmountable.Max square 32x32
Impressive.
Someone upthread (fboab?) mentioned that "Kent is easier than Yorkshire" because it has a more extensive road network, which is true enough, but while there's scope for increasing my current square to 18x18, chances of increasing it beyond that are largely hampered by the fact that it would have sea on three sides. I imagine the West Midlands would be the best area of the UK for big squares. Judging by your square, Derbyshire also seems to be fertile hunting ground.
Max square 32x32
Impressive.
Someone upthread (fboab?) mentioned that "Kent is easier than Yorkshire" because it has a more extensive road network, which is true enough, but while there's scope for increasing my current square to 18x18, chances of increasing it beyond that are largely hampered by the fact that it would have sea on three sides. I imagine the West Midlands would be the best area of the UK for big squares. Judging by your square, Derbyshire also seems to be fertile hunting ground.
Do London, and you will eventually find things like Heathrow and Gatwick are a problem. Solve these and you're gonna hit the military bases further out.
In one corner of my square I've already hit my limit, a shooting ground of the Belgian Airforce. That's 3-4 tiles which can't be ridden. Completely off-limits.Anything is
In one corner of my square I've already hit my limit, a shooting ground of the Belgian Airforce. That's 3-4 tiles which can't be ridden. Completely off-limits.Anything isa dildorideable if you'rebravestupid enough.
Do London, and you will eventually find things like Heathrow and Gatwick are a problem. Solve these and you're gonna hit the military bases further out.
Neither airport is a problem as they have public perimeter roads and there's no single square that is just airport (you could probably just do a short run in the public part of a terminal even if they were).
150km ride to get missing squares out towards Stirling. Cluster increased from 389 to 475. Annoyed as helper app said I was in the Dunmore square, but smoothing meant that I missed it.If you view the activity details on Veloviewer, it will recaulculate the tiles using the full track data. So can help for any missing squares where you just crossed the edge.
Someone (Jonathan France) has just dropped in a few rides he's done to go top of the leaderboard:-
(https://dgtzuqphqg23d.cloudfront.net/dAe0W-qBNcXWBqCc90wYQFeJ7r8EjHkzFNASK8LqNp8-2048x1955.jpg)
96x96
(Looks like it should have been more as there's multiple 96x96 boxes there and a seemingly missing square just above Luton - plus another couple a little further North). So probably closer to 104x104 if he sorts that out.)
Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)
96x96
Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)
Eww. Swindon (or is that second load centred around somewhere like Lambourn?)
Faringdon, judging by the number of tracks through there.
I also found that there's an OS map overlay. That'sa real time sinkreally useful and interesting.
It's getting harder and harder to get new squares - that was a 170km ride. though I live towards the east of my cluster, it's the west that's more rural and has better riding.
It's getting harder and harder to get new squares - that was a 170km ride. though I live towards the east of my cluster, it's the west that's more rural and has better riding.
I just use the trains to bypass the suburban cycling that isn't hugely inspiring (although I'll probably use them less as I get my cycling fitness back).
Finally bagged a couple of squares up Apedale in the Dales to get my square to 37x37. I should get my cluster above 3000 before the end of the year, too.
Explorer score up 21 to 5598
Square remains the same at 11x11
Cluster up 53 to 322.
Not many tiles to go to get all tiles inside the M25 in the S/W quadrant.
Walking on water. Genius!
Walking on water. Genius!
Pretty sure us Sapiens had to leave it up to someone else for that.
Did you do that on porpoise?
Hoping to tick off 14 on tonight's ride in the glamour of Thurrock, as well as the fabled Dartford Crossing shuttle service.Hold on- that's motorised!
I did email Ben to ask if there was a way to automate this. I wondered if it might be a Pro Plus feature. It must use a lot of his server time and I thought he might want to find a way of prioritising that rather than have lots of us manually taking those resources. Does anyone here know Ben personally?
Hi. As mentioned above, when you open an activity it calculates the definitive set of tiles for that activity as on opening the activity, the code downloads all of the activity's recorded data points. For activities that haven't been opened then the calculations in the Summary page (and Activities page) are based on a very simplified set of data points provided by the Strava API on the top level Activity details which is collected as part of the Update process. This simplified set of data points can result in both false positives and negatives in terms of ticked tiles which is why opening an activity can result in you both gaining a tile and loosing a tile. Predominantly it results in you gaining tiles these days as the simplified set of data points rarely contains points that aren't part of the full set. Unfortunately I can't populate the definitive set of tiles in bulk as it would require getting all data streams for all of your activities and processing them all which is something I can't do at the moment due to the amount of extra processing (and re-writing of code) that would be required.
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Reply from Ben on the Ride Every Tile Strava groupQuote from: Ben Lowe - veloviewer.comHi. As mentioned above, when you open an activity it calculates the definitive set of tiles for that activity as on opening the activity, the code downloads all of the activity's recorded data points. For activities that haven't been opened then the calculations in the Summary page (and Activities page) are based on a very simplified set of data points provided by the Strava API on the top level Activity details which is collected as part of the Update process. This simplified set of data points can result in both false positives and negatives in terms of ticked tiles which is why opening an activity can result in you both gaining a tile and loosing a tile. Predominantly it results in you gaining tiles these days as the simplified set of data points rarely contains points that aren't part of the full set. Unfortunately I can't populate the definitive set of tiles in bulk as it would require getting all data streams for all of your activities and processing them all which is something I can't do at the moment due to the amount of extra processing (and re-writing of code) that would be required.
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So it looks like doing it manually is the only way at the mo. Unless anyone is able to write a script to do it.
You can't see well enough to inject into veins under blue lighting.
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)
You won't like the actual fanzine at all then.Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)
Shows me I'm somewhere on the millenial/IGG scale as my first reaction was of frustration at the lack of images in that piece and thinking it's just too long to read.
(I realise it was from 2001)
Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)
There is also a bridleway running east from the end of it, the whole area looks very baggable.Reminds me of the TAC hunt for empty squares The Angry Corrie (http://www.scottishoutdoors.co.uk/outdoors/columista.cfm@feature_cat_id=27&selectedfeature_id=1519.htm)
At least the veloviewer equivalent of SE8322 looks bagable via the little lane that runs down the Western edge.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181108/599dd24dc491a795a240b4039e8358f3.jpg)
OpenStreetMap zoom level 14:
https://blog.veloviewer.com/veloviewer-explorer-score-and-max-square/
There is also a bridleway running east from the end of it, the whole area looks very baggable.
By default, the Explorer tiles are calculated using the summary map line for each activity which is the line you see in the map on your Activities List page. This is a simplified version of the route taken and can miss out some of the detail of your activity and occasionally fail to cross a tile boundary which you actually did cross, equally it can cross one that you didn’t!
Amazingly it's *not* part of the National Cycle Network.
Anyone know how to configure OSMand app map to display the explorer tile grid?First you need to install the Explorer helper app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.anisart.vv
No, the overlay should be listed as "Explorer".
If its not there, check you set the correct folder in the Explorer app. Probably something like Android/data/net.osmand/files/tiles. May depend on your phone and Android version, and whether you have installed OsmAnd on the internal memory or SD card.
Goodstuff. I don't have enough internal memory left to move the OsmAnd folder, 37Gb free on the card though. Running Android oreo 8.1.You could tell it to download the Explorer tiles to a folder in the internal memory. Then use a file manager move that folder to your OsmAnd folder on the card.
You could tell it to download the Explorer tiles to a folder in the internal memory. Then use a file manager move that folder to your OsmAnd folder on the card.
Didn't work for me, oh well. I can select the Explorer overlay in OsmAnd map config, but no tiles display. Anyway the Explorer app itself is sort of useful from a location POV, if there's reception.
(http://www.fondantfancies.com/chigwellmaxsquare2.png)
I decided I couldn't be arsed sticking to the footpaths which would eventually get you there legally, and instead dumped my bike legged it across the field to the nearest corner of the square. Also, trying to continue west from there I only found mud tracks were I'd expected a road, so more trespassing required to rejoin the road network without doubling back.
I thought that I ought to get Veloviewer to calculate my tiles 'properly' so have spent quite some time viewing lots of individual rides.Looks like you might just get that square if you ride right over on the west side of the road just north of Hoby. Maybe stop and start off again to make sure the gps track to records a point there.
BN: It stole a load of tiles off me.
MBN: Max square has been knocked back from 31 to 23.
GN: Most of the stolen tiles are relatively accessible.
MGN: I get to ride my bike ;D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4870/46178963801_dcce2b523c_z.jpg)
Wait until you find squares without any roads/tracks/paths...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33104221353_40d4ede962_z.jpg)
I now realise that another tile that has gone missing was just 100m off last Sunday's route. Unfortunately it is a 70k round trip to get it now >:(
...
5429 tiles
Max square 13x13
Max Cluster: 254
What's other peoples total tiles to cluster/square ratio like?...
18% of Belgium- D.A.L.E. rode to and from the ferry. (And into Luxembourg)(http://i67.tinypic.com/2vwzfk7.png)
My Longterm Challenge maps:
(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermNLchallenge2018december.jpg)
Did everyone already know this?
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.
https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081
Did everyone already know this?
Did everyone already know this?
Yes and no. I knew about the club filter when viewing the leaderboard, but not that there was a YACF Strava group. Now joined.
Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.
https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081
Did everyone already know this?
That's weird, I can see you in the tables.Is everyone already a member of the YACF Strava club? Anyone who is a member of that shows up in / can see ... the leaderboard on Velo Viewer.
https://veloviewer.com/leaderboard/y/0/t/explc/at/-/c/2081
Did everyone already know this?
It doesn't seem reliable though. I appear in some leaderboards but not others. (With Club set to YACF.)
For example, if select "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "All" events I don't appear at all.
If I change it to "Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Ride" events I'm 40th with 5712 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Swims" events I'm top with 6 tiles.
"Explorer (tiles)", "All" years and "Run" events I'm not there at all. (Despite having 58 tiles ticked off from running.)
But change it back to "All" events and I'm not there, (I should be there with 5731 tiles.)
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...
Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'. Bah!
Oh well, I'm planning to go out again tomorrow to pick off a few more so I'll tweak the route to take in those two. With another one I've got on my hit list for tomorrow, that will also take my max square up from 10 to 12.
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...
Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'. Bah!
If you pay, it'll upload your complete Strava history, meaning you've probably covered most of Brum already. So you can concentrate on riding anywhere else...
I tentatively loaded my data into VeloViewer to see what this Max Square stuff was all about...
Seems to be a ploy to encourage me to cycle around more of what can only be described as 'Brimingham'. Bah!
If you pay, it'll upload your complete Strava history, meaning you've probably covered most of Brum already. So you can concentrate on riding anywhere else...
Nahh, I've got the urban equivalent of the coastal town problem. The overwhelming majority of my rides are to the south and east, avoiding the conurbation. Which means that to expand the square I either need to cover quite large distances to get to places I haven't already been, or venture into the nearby areas to the north (and the Solihull area) that I've been avoiding for good reason.
There appear to be a couple of low-hanging tiles that I've missed because they're dead-ended by motorways, and some scope for expanding the square further into the bastard hills to the west.
Sounds like you're hooked. And so quickly.
;D
Why does VV thin out a gpx track so much? Is there anyway to change the way it does this?
Ride today was around Oxford, and though I'd get the tile alongside Whytam woods, but VV has diddled me out of it. OK it was cutting it bit fine, but even so...
From Strava - note track on road...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/32628414408_583bd81d52.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161822 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9R7) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
From VV - gpx track is a very approximate representation... and so I don't get the tile.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/32628414228_de602fd191.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1)Fullscreen capture 28122018 161738 (https://flic.kr/p/RHg9N1) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
...I was wondering if it would be easy enough to add the explorer tiles to the map folder on my Garmin Touring. It would have made life easier if I didn't have to keep checking my phone to see if I was in the right place.
My coverage of East Kent is starting to look quite healthy - I've got another couple of routes worked out that will fill in most of the gaps around Folkestone and Dover, and I've still got to find time for an MTB outing to Sandwich to tick off that cluster, but it won't be long before I'll have to start expanding westwards...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/32614479298_8d0f7d873d_o.png)
Interesting extra challenge has crossed my radar.
https://www.longtermnlchallenge.bike
Similar idea to the veloviewer tile game, but with municipalities. There's one for Belgium too. I'm at 48% of Dutch municipalities. Am waiting on the Belgian one to finish processing to see how I'm doing with that one.
I'm hoping that RatN will give me a good chunk of these, but it gives me an extra target along with the tiles to chase!
I wonder if there is one for .uk...
J
Edit: 27% of Belgium it seems...
This ride bagged 20 new tiles and bumped my max cluster up by 71 to 1683 and I now have 5 off 33*33 squares.
My 4 am Jaunt round a remote polder with a manually operate ferry on xmas eve paid off!
My 4 am Jaunt round a remote polder with a manually operate ferry on xmas eve paid off!
Do you ever fear you’re taking this too seriously? ;D
I have decided that my big target for 2019 will be to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. Should be quite achievable.
First person to get to 100x100 squares
https://rideeverytile.com/2019/01/05/the-first-tiling-century/
Think I can just about squeeze that size in between the Mersey and Humber, but it’s going to take some time....
First person to get to 100x100 squares
https://rideeverytile.com/2019/01/05/the-first-tiling-century/
Think I can just about squeeze that size in between the Mersey and Humber, but it’s going to take some time....
:o His 100x100 totally overlaps my 16x16 in Oxfordshire - interesting to see how he's tackled some of the trickier tiles around these parts...
JF's VV link (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/2151491/activities?o=0:1&f=0:1366892939000|1546447201000,1:Ride|Walk,5:642.7|277996,6:0|20417.1&c=0,0,5,6,9)...
I have decided that my big target for 2019 will be to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. Should be quite achievable.
With really careful planning you can do it with 2 one-way journeys (or one return journey), but each route would need to be a bit convoluted (I just blindly follow the pink line on my GPS so I don't care).
If you draw up or import a route in the Strava planner (which is available on the free version), you can then check it in the Routes tab on Veloviewer to see the new tiles which it will give you :)
Example - https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ydFzuYkFbqYv87m7
If you draw up or import a route in the Strava planner (which is available on the free version), you can then check it in the Routes tab on Veloviewer to see the new tiles which it will give you :)
Example - https://photos.app.goo.gl/8ydFzuYkFbqYv87m7
I've come up with a target of filling in the M25, which doesn't directly help my square, my cluster or my lungs, but it will look nice.
Today I completely the north west quadrant, with a zig zag route between Denham and Watford and crossing the M25 eight times.
Ah, that may be a suitable first major goal: cover all tiles within the M25.
There’s also a Veloviewer companion app for Android, although beware it has the most terrible “is it doing anything?” user interface.
Also beware that although it has a track recording function it doesn’t seem to have an export/upload function, so you’d better be recording it on something else.
But when it’s working, super useful for checking which squares you need and whether youve crossed the boundary.
By chance I've just done a route for Caterham, do you want it?
It can be worth - belt and braces wise - to set your phone's Strava App to record a short walk if you're really wanting to make certain you've captured a square. I'm my most recent "box of chocolates" trip into someone's back garden I was recording on three different devices just in case, and I uploaded one before I went home.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxR9u1-X4AEMKch.jpg)
Cancelled my planned 200k diy due to my stomach rebelling against yesterdays dinner, so took the Brompton on the train a couple of stops out of town, and did a simple 16k ride to bag 6 tiles that had been blocking my cluster's expansion. Any one of these tiles would be enough to open up the cluster, but while I was there, I may as well bag them all. Cluster went up 27 from 281 to 308. Now I have 5 overlapping 13x13 squares. Am going to have to work on southern tiles now. There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.
J
There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.
That tile further north has been bagged already by a few guys on the Dutch forum (fiets.nl)
There's a tile with no public access blocking anything further north, and I'm gonna be limited by the Ijsselmeer at ~21x21 anyway.
That tile further north has been bagged already by a few guys on the Dutch forum (fiets.nl)
Oh it's accessible if I have a packable boat, or if this cold snap last long enough for the ice to get thick enough to walk on. But given that I will very soon be limited to by the Ijsselmeer, It's a disproportionate amount of effort needed to bag a tile that will eventually not actually be that much use, am better off spending the effort south. Am trying to make a baseline from the North Sea to Zeewolde (and eventually to Harskamp), that I can then build downwards on. Yesterdays ride got it to the North Sea, and it now reaches Almere on the eastern side. There's a tile just south of Almere in the Gooimeer that I'm gonna need to Either kayak, or swim to bag, same with three east of Zeewolde.
J
I can't remember anyone bagging the Gooimeer tiles yet.
On the plus side, I now have all the tiles in a line from the North sea to Zeewolde, on the down side, I now know that I don't like combining tile bagging and the time pressure of an Audax.
I've discoverd that already. I do tend to bag a few outlying tiles during a DIY if I can include them in relatively straight forward routes. But not the turning around to bag every tile style of routes. So good for 'new' area's, not for adding a lot to my square or cluster.
With a couple of rides I think I can join my cluster of tiles in Humberside with a previously collected cluster near Teesside.I think your northernmost abut my southernmost. Linking to East Angular is much more difficult.
With a couple of rides I think I can join my cluster of tiles in Humberside with a previously collected cluster near Teesside.I think your northernmost abut my southernmost. Linking to East Angular is much more difficult.
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.
Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.
Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)
No, but on a Dutch forum we do keep track of it ourselves.
It's the challenge of having a series of rides that are 3 tiles wide which makes it so awkward.
- Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.
- Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.
Tiles aren't 1km x 1km. The corners are defined by lat/lon increments[1] and so their size changes depending on how North you are.
It's ~94km as the crow flies.
1. Well, they were originally defined as 256x256px images of OpenStreetMap at zoom level 14, but this boils down to standard lat/lon increments.
It's the challenge of having a series of rides that are 3 tiles wide which makes it so awkward.
Yes, this is exactly what I'm finding with my plans to link up my main East Kent cluster with my mini London cluster. The two clusters are already linked but filling in tiles so both are incorporated into my max cluster will involve some fairly torturous routing.
Anyway, I've worked out that I can do it in two rides - could do it in one ride, in theory, but breaking it down into more manageable chunks means I'm more likely to actually get out and do it.
I certainly find the explorer score more interesting in cycling terms. I'd much rather ride to new places than spend my time colouring in the Wet Midlands.
I think the leaderboards on VeloViewer demonstrate that we (yacf) feel the same way... exploring seems more preferable to colouring-in. I can see 69 'yacf' club members on the VeloViewer leaderboard...
I'm 21st for max square
22nd for max cluster...
but I'm 34th for explorer score... (today)
It's time I started going new places!
:)
I certainly find the explorer score more interesting in cycling terms. I'd much rather ride to new places than spend my time colouring in the Wet Midlands.
My availability tends to go straight from one to the other - either I have two hours max, or a whole day available.
I don't do touring. Can you tell? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190130/d2ee788aa7a7ae58369906bf7a3e0d9d.jpg)
Our heatmaps appear look like a toddler's attempt to color in a map.
I reckon http://www.jonathanokeeffe.com/strava/map.php gives a better coloured heatmap though VeloViewer's map is more usefully interactive.
:D
And what exactly is wrong with the Netherlands ? :p
J
:D
And what exactly is wrong with the Netherlands ? :p
J
If you zoom enough you'll see I visited Aardenburg & Sluis. I did at least 5km in the Netherlands :D
I should add that I have ridden in Kent. Just not much, and I didn't have the GPS on. Not that London though. *shudder*
The distance between the two furthest points in your cluster is also something interesting to check. That gives also an impresion about your exploring qualities.
Is that a VeloViewer metric? (Goes off to find out)
No, but on a Dutch forum we do keep track of it ourselves.
:)
"Google-walking" distance or "Crow-flies" distance?
- Kirmington (Northern Lincolnshire) to Marton-le-Moor (Ripon), google gives me 108km walking.
- Kirmington is 51 tiles east of Marton-le-Moor and 43 tiles south... making the hypotenuse 66.7km long.
(Using the https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hypotenuse OmniCalculator (because I've lost my book of trigonometric tables)...)
I think the leaderboards on VeloViewer demonstrate that we (yacf) feel the same way... exploring seems more preferable to colouring-in. I can see 69 'yacf' club members on the VeloViewer leaderboard...
I'm 21st for max square
22nd for max cluster...
but I'm 34th for explorer score... (today)
It's time I started going new places!
:)
Where is the YACF leaderboard please folks?
I can't find it :)
Although when checking for YACF, I'm 1st for cluster, 2nd for explorer score and 'only' 6th for max square.
Although when checking for YACF, I'm 1st for cluster, 2nd for explorer score and 'only' 6th for max square.
You're 1st for Eddington (miles) also, with an impressive 131 miles. I'll be reaching 125 miles soon, but it'll take a long while to build up from there.
I bagged a couple of tiles on this weekends Brevet, 2 because the route is different this year, and 1 because I went down a dead end quickly.
Today I went out for a ride, did just over 50k, and bagged the last tile I had on the Haarlemermeer. Gone from 5 13x13's, to a single 14x14. Misjudged the temperature massively, and had very very cold feet on the return. Took a while to rewarm everything. Gonna take a lot of effort to bump the square some more.
Veloviewer does have the occasional glitch. It does know that you are affiliated to YACF as you appear in the YACF leaderboard.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7844/46950164021_1fbc8ba516_o.jpg)
Real G's move in silence like lasagna.
I've had a quiet start to the year.
My Longterm Challenge maps:
(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermNLchallenge2018december.jpg)
(https://fotoalbum.dds.nl/ivo_m/heatmap/large/longtermBEchallenge2018december.jpg)
I should spend a couple of sundays in the Brussels and Antwerp area's to cover the empty bits.
Plan for this weekend is the vast, unknowable, windswept mystery that is... the Isle of Sheppey.
Plan for this weekend is the vast, unknowable, windswept mystery that is... the Isle of Sheppey.
How long do we give telstarbox, beforesending out a search partytaking off and nuking the site from orbit?
Crazy weather here this week, I've done 2 rides now in shorts, one in shorts + jersey.
Crazy weather here this week, I've done 2 rides now in shorts, one in shorts + jersey.
Now I know it's been warm, and the Dutch have a reputation for social liberalism, but even so...
(The weather here has been similarly pleasant, but alas, I've not been able to get out, and next week is half term and I'm on the entertainment committee...)
I finally got round to having a go at the tiles north of Derby with a 140k ride in pleasant February sunshine - if a little breezy at times.That picture looks familiar. Is that the bridleway between Morley and Stanley?
28mm slicks and close fitting mudguards isn't a great combination on muddy bridleways but I just about got away with it.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/40160397203_a4645f0a20_z.jpg)
Only ten tiles but it bumped my max cluster by 53 to 1736 and I now have 4 off 34*34 squares.
It looks like an assault on the northern bits of the Nottingham urban sprawl will probably be my next move.
I finally got round to having a go at the tiles north of Derby with a 140k ride in pleasant February sunshine - if a little breezy at times.That picture looks familiar. Is that the bridleway between Morley and Stanley?
28mm slicks and close fitting mudguards isn't a great combination on muddy bridleways but I just about got away with it.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/40160397203_a4645f0a20_z.jpg)
Only ten tiles but it bumped my max cluster by 53 to 1736 and I now have 4 off 34*34 squares.
It looks like an assault on the northern bits of the Nottingham urban sprawl will probably be my next move.
I've not managed to bag a single new tile at all so far this year. I've done plenty of riding, but it's mostly been commuting during the week and brevets that I've done before at the weekends.
I'm planning a square bagging assault on the north Nottinghamshire area. I just need to find a suitable day to go ride it. This is the current planned route - it's currently 180km - I might add 20km to it somewhere to make it a DIY gps. This won't affect my max square however but the cluster should see a big increase.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190218/6c5feeb583f50daf8fba0e2fb5d725ae.jpg)
That screen grab was from the veloviewer site.
Click on the routes tab and filter by (e.g.) name to select one or more of your strava routes. The route is then shown along with your explorer squares.
Wye Wednesday 200 this week. I've tweaked the route slightly to bag a few tiles along the way. Plus I'm planning to ride to the start to pick up a few more.
100km and 1500m of climbing got me from a 17x17 square up to a 20x20 today. Brilliant route, lots of walking and at least a dozen gates to climb over, shame it's my last ride in County Durham for a while.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2176787261
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2yvtgud.png)
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
As discussed with Deano today: I hope to be cycling into my 80s... this is a loooong game. :)
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
I find myself wondering how much of the Netherlands a 4000 tile cluster covers...
J
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
As discussed with Deano today: I hope to be cycling into my 80s... this is a loooong game. :)
I hope you've got your own copies of all the GPX files. I doubt Strava will be around that long...
Competition is stiff in the 3000-4000 cluster range at the moment.
I find myself wondering how much of the Netherlands a 4000 tile cluster covers...
J
A day in the Wolds with Graeme, and my cluster is up to 3112. Square still on 37x37 (those Pennines squares I need are hard yakka).(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/08BLE0myElMXe5rr-YuF3aFzzBcfX-sDnEekuE8-W-BaKSyTe81_mlk2ldEVO--WXc6-DdpHR8hc8PfSKKDADTtRWz9-zqavmMhzu76G5YQsB5Cg12_mRKZ-q1mfB64ynISs3OKjBrw2EeIUaxfEDrst3WHzdjGC58qYv-3XSdv4DrcI_JfaAjB3mCwS5mpu2XNBel0Vpp12qbcU0PWXmPBLgZv_N9Yyl8YgYnAfowd5gHs9GWjg8tQ-ZrIh83vWiXU3w_5Id2UGOabb8qkblzFx6zCn3YaM1jRarSEwtAJN2VGRSXgFc-NOmPcUpCAUXPRVN_iESZ74z6URwz_fTMEwbjUOJrKM5_YPa7oExSrKQC7wljfWfIJyQmMImClisjl9k2ZxsHtA2kRIKPQ0lAqC8td7kPlIUex_m23S0kYCvo_x_NjfOaykOK1-nGqO_BoZKDpFcS2vJihppmr0apRXbfeIqfyWxLXz-sRj3QzPdfeFClflmR8RDL6i3V62CQ7HfRn5nKBtAN0JzelhPOxupJ6kdTm_By0sRl9kMIKt8tsjE1Cf-uuWxQw5IJ6qafykYwD0a7TNfQ7uXutDTnTcZWaEkaNVIFw1T9m1PD7tt1LDd4IQZt_32QuHaHzQQzQZFveG3W5zUff2xnMjJznaXkSfdqg=w905-h1810-no)
A day in the Wolds with Graeme, and my cluster is up to 3112. Square still on 37x37 (those Pennines squares I need are hard yakka).
Am I the only not able to see Deanos photos atm?
Damnit! I've finally succumbed to this sillyness. My max square is pretty pathetic at the moment due to lots of pesky squares breaking things up. Already got today's ride planned to knock off a couple of easy ones. Will involve tracks and mud :)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/117r14p.png)
40km to go find some methylated spirit got my North American max square up to 4x4 today
(http://i66.tinypic.com/117r14p.png)
40km to go find some methylated spirit got my North American max square up to 4x4 today
When do you think you'll be able to join your new cluster to your Sunderland bunch?
I did Foxholes on tight clearance 28mm tyres as a short cut on The Dean. It was a mistake! Those two puddles were far larger two weeks ago and I was scooting along CX-style almost in the hedge on the left.
Thank you!
It will be hard to get some of these Pennine squares - no tracks or paths that are cycle-able on my steeds; I really don't fancy doing Kinder Scout and all its surrounding hills on a cross bike... That limits egress North and west.
To get a much bigger square will mean longer ventures south to include most of the Staffordshire Moorlands and east that will also include some fairly industrial bits.
(https://explorersquare.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/kooscluster.png)
Decent.
https://rideeverytile.com/2019/04/08/koos-w-is-the-new-leader/
After uploading all my GPXs to Strava, here's my start point:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/44768257201_4fa4de8510.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at)
vv_tiles (https://flic.kr/p/2bd22at) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
Looking into the crystal ball I foresee many trips to the Northron wastes.
A 200k DIY today helped me with another Municipality for the Long Term NL Challenge (the main aim beyond RRtY). But it also helped tick off some tiles along the way. I'm wondering if the best way to increase things isn't a close meshed ride with lots of deadends, but rather to do lots of parallel routes from A to B...
Did nothing for my cluster, nothing for my square, but explorer score is up at 6437...
J
Today I connected Brussels to my cluster. So the cluster increased to 4108. I guess that next weekend will take me to new grounds as my total amount of tiles is now 29729, the 30.000 barrier has to be cracked. Apart from that I added 8 more Brussels municipalities to my longterm challenge score, so Brussels is done now. 89 to go before I have all of the municipalities of the Netherlands & Belgium. A request has already been filed to create a longterm challenge for Luxemburg so I can aim at the full BeNeLux.
Today I connected Brussels to my cluster. So the cluster increased to 4108. I guess that next weekend will take me to new grounds as my total amount of tiles is now 29729, the 30.000 barrier has to be cracked. Apart from that I added 8 more Brussels municipalities to my longterm challenge score, so Brussels is done now. 89 to go before I have all of the municipalities of the Netherlands & Belgium. A request has already been filed to create a longterm challenge for Luxemburg so I can aim at the full BeNeLux.
Got a picture?
Im hoping to complete .NL on the long term challenge this calendar year.
J
My RatN injuries mean I couldn't do this weekend's BRM400 that went to Texel, so instead I took a train to Den Helder, ferry over, and did a simple 40k, then back to the mainland, and a train to go help out at the finish of the BRM.
Tiles aren't a use for cluster or square, but it adds a municipality for the NL long term challenge. I've now got 91 left, and am just 40 behind Ivo. Can I do 91 before Ivo can do 51... ?
J
Currently I'm concentrating on the Belgian one as the terrain is better suited for PBP training. My aim is being the first to cover the full Benelux (But first Frank needs to add Luxemburg).
I used a long weekend to add a few more Belgian municipalities and extended my cluster to Tournai. 2 more tiles and my cluster extends to France, adding a 4th country to my cluster.
Currently I'm concentrating on the Belgian one as the terrain is better suited for PBP training. My aim is being the first to cover the full Benelux (But first Frank needs to add Luxemburg).
I used a long weekend to add a few more Belgian municipalities and extended my cluster to Tournai. 2 more tiles and my cluster extends to France, adding a 4th country to my cluster.
That's bloody impressive! my cluster barely makes it out of Noord Holland!
How much of Belgium have you got left?
J
NL: 304 gemeentes van in totaal 355 (85 %)
BE: 551 gemeentes van in totaal 581 (94 %)
So 51 to go for the Netherlands and 30 for Belgium. The next challenger in the combined classification NL/BE still has 247 municipalities to go while I have 'only' 81 to go. But that includes all of the islands.
On the trip up to Tan Hill for the summer gathering I did a few bridleways near Northallerton and added the Masham/Bedale cluster to the meta-cluster. Max cluster just tipped over the 1.5k at 1502. Next mission is to spend time on the max square near Hull and see if I can get it to reach York.
Seen the news that Strava blocked Relieve.cc from using their API? Not good. I hope that they don't ideas about killing Veloviewer!
Anyway, I've successfully installed OsmAnd and 'Explorer Helper' to help with the process of filing squares. But OsmAnd only shows my tiles when I zoom in a lot - maybe showing 4 tiles at most. From other posts on here (I haven't read them all yet, only 18 pages out of 28!) it seems to be possible to get more tiles showing on a lesser zoom level. So what am I doing wrong?
perfect, thanks, just in time for my ride today :)Anyway, I've successfully installed OsmAnd and 'Explorer Helper' to help with the process of filing squares. But OsmAnd only shows my tiles when I zoom in a lot - maybe showing 4 tiles at most. From other posts on here (I haven't read them all yet, only 18 pages out of 28!) it seems to be possible to get more tiles showing on a lesser zoom level. So what am I doing wrong?
On the map screen, long press either the + or - and select 25%. Does that fix it?
I seem to have a lot of routes that consist of straight lines between points, missing some squares, but more annoyingly passing through some that i didn't ride on.If you read upthread, this has been talked about before, and there's no automatic way of sorting this. But you can reduce the amount of rides that you need to calculate tiles for....
These seem to be from the early days of using Strava, 2010 and 2011 mostly.
When I look at the routes in Strava, the track follows the road, but in VV, it has straight lines
Is there any way of fixing this other than clicking 2700+ rides I have logged individually
Had to walk 400metres+ across an open field to bag an inaccessible tile. On the way back back, realised I'd left the garmin on the bike at the access gate. And... repeat, with gps in hand. ::-) ;D
Had to walk 400metres+ across an open field to bag an inaccessible tile. On the way back, realised I'd left the garmin on the bike at the access gate. And... repeat, with gps in hand. ::-) ;D
This was me doing a bridleway, unusually - not to bag a new tile, but because I'd not done it before and wanted to see what it was like...
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my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'
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my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'
You can off road on any bike, it just may be harder on some than on others...
A French tour has not helped my cluster or square, but has added a healthy bunch to my overall square count, which is now 19517. Square remain at 39x39, and cluster at 3701.
However - and I'm sure we had a thread about something like this a while back, but I cannae find it now - ALL of my UK rides now join up, as I rode from KX to Loughton, and to visit a mate's bike shop in Buckhurst Hill, which linked everything together.
Hm, that would lead to a new competition ;)
What's the longest distance between linked up bikerides ;).
Just checked mine, Den Helder - Ancona is only 1508km. A TCR or Northcape 4000 rider will do considerably better.
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group PostsDoes this have to be "visited on a bicycle"? I've been GPS logging my hill walking and running for a while and think I could contribute some Munro bagging tiles to that... please post a link if so...
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group PostsDoes this have to be "visited on a bicycle"? I've been GPS logging my hill walking and running for a while and think I could contribute some Munro bagging tiles to that... please post a link if so...
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
The UK map won't load for me.
The Benelux route makes me wonder if anyone has made an effort to grab e.g. the Breskens ferry route by human power?
Interesting, but not working accurately. A mate of mine has filled every tile east of Hull and south of Bridlington to Spurn Point. His data is public but doesn't show on this map. I know his data is public because I'm often looking to his ride info for clues to get tiles.
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my cycling experiences have been transformed by the discovery that most surfaces are rideable on any bike, and that 'I want to go down there just because'
You can off road on any bike, it just may be harder on some than on others...
And sometimes the 'going down' is rather too literal...
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
My VV & Strava are set to be public but a lot of my tiles are missing. Also I can't see how to select the different regions :(
Thanks to Pete Bartlett for a little bit of awesomeness - more details in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group Posts
You can see all tiles that have been logged by anyone in the Ride Every Tile Strava Group who have made their data public here (http://pcbartlett.com/heatmap.html)
Can select options for UK, US and Benelux at this stage.
Now we can try to be first to reach some of the "problem" tiles
Ben Lowe likes this and may try to incorporate into the main VeloViewer site
My VV & Strava are set to be public but a lot of my tiles are missing. Also I can't see how to select the different regions :(
The region selection button has been deleted.
You also have to be in the relevant Strava group.
For some reason it looked like my data was private on VV when I looked at the club there even though I had 'Share my data with anyone' ticked on the Update page. I unticked that, saved, re-ticked it, saved again and now it looks like my data is public on the club page in VV. However I still can't see a lot of my tiles on Pete Bartlett's site.[/color]
Just made my data public to get some of those tiles filled in :)
Good to see that nobody has done Osea Island* yet. I need to get that bad boy. Maybe I'll wait until low tide is at a suitable hour and sneak over the causeway under the cover of darkness, James Bond style...
*Apparantly the island is "private". Whatever that means form a legal angle - there is a B & B on there....
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...
I hadn't considered swimming! Would have to save it as a Ride or Hike though, I think...
Why? VV takes swims too as they're human powered. Here's one tile I've got thanks to some open water swimming (Shepperton Lakes):-
(http://www.greenbank.org/misc/vvswim.png)
... 2) I have to do an offline process to download everyone's data and merge into one map, so you don't get instant gratification of getting the map filled in...
...Also, are there any other "impossible" squares that should be coloured in red?...
...Also, are there any other "impossible" squares that should be coloured in red?...
What's the definition of an "impossible" square?
I've had the ability to record an activity (just going for a walk) in one particular UK square that is completely off limits to the general public. One that you really couldn't get via trespassing either.
I wasn't breaking the law by being there, but I'm sure that recording the activity and uploading to Strava could have easily triggered some problems for me if I had done it especially as I wasn't able to carry a mobile phone with me at the time (but they weren't concerned with my Garmin watch).
(Kind of similar to this kerfuffle a few years ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42853072)
Interesting. I boobed by calling squares "impossible" in this thread. On the heatmap webpage I merely called them "hard". Hard is a better word than impossible because for almost any square there is /someone/ who has the right to go there (e.g. military staff).
Maybe what we should be defining the difficulty of a square by how many people have been there. Nothing is impossible .. just "not yet visited".
'latent false positive'
How does it change? I have a few that are very marginal grazings, GPS error could easily account for 1 or 2. Once it's commited, surely that's it?
... swim West from the coast by the Marconi sailing club...
I hadn't considered swimming! Would have to save it as a Ride or Hike though, I think...
Why? VV takes swims too as they're human powered.
A few long forays into France did increase my max tile count immensely but hardly did anything for my cluster or square.
My current results are:
Total amount of tiles 32022
max cluster 4789
square 35
At this rate I should have a total tile increase of over 4000 for this year by the end of the year. A bit more as expected.
I follow the new tiles each year closely, I love adventuring to new places.
In the overall tiles each year, me and Lee Killestein have had some fun over the past few years.
I got Lee last year for the No1 spot but for 2019 he is super strong with his Audax points chasing.
Current score is Lee 11,309 with mine at 11,040
Not sure I can summon up the enthusiasm to chase that before the end of the year ::-)
Interestingly the Current leader in that table over Lee seems to be a data glitch, James H is on 11,835 tiles in the list but when you check his summary page it says he has only done 5060 this year, and the mileage covered seems to back that up.
Would be nice to see lee rightly in that top spot. :thumbsup:
Where is the total tiles leaderboard?
J
In the leaderbords section, just select explorter (tiles) from the drop down menu and change to all on the left hand button
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...
Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...
Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...
Oh, I was only looking at 2019. If I select all time, then I drop to 368th.
J
Oh yes, Forgot that was there...
Looks like I'm 73rd. That's considerably higher than I expected. Another metric to aim for...
Oh, I was only looking at 2019. If I select all time, then I drop to 368th.
J
Me too, I thought the discussion started about an annual ‘competition’ between 2 riders. Looking at all years, I drop down to top 100.
Our trip to Cuba took my tile count over the 7000 mark to 7127. Cluster remains at 843, square at 17.
What's Wandrer, Russell?
What's Wandrer, Russell?
It uses Strava to work out where you've been, and lets you know when you ride new roads
https://wandrer.earth/ (https://wandrer.earth/)
What's Wandrer, Russell?
It uses Strava to work out where you've been, and lets you know when you ride new roads
https://wandrer.earth/ (https://wandrer.earth/)
I was intrigued by this, but there wasn't much info on the front page... I signed up anyway, and granted Wandrer all the permissions it asked for. Then I learn that it's limited to my last 50 rides unless I pay for a subscription. I'd rather have known that before I ticked 'grant access' to everything. Anyway, the 'delete account' button was easy to find, so that's a plus. I'm paying the VeloViewer subscription mainly for the Explorer Tiles game, Wandrer looks interesting but is perhaps too much of an overlap with Explorer Tiles to justify my cash.
Early adopters of Wandrer had all their rides loaded for free.
Anyway, the 'delete account' button was easy to find, so that's a plus.What's Wandrer, Russell?
It uses Strava to work out where you've been, and lets you know when you ride new roads
https://wandrer.earth/ (https://wandrer.earth/)
Early adopters of Wandrer had all their rides loaded for free.
I had a few hours to kill in Zunlun yesterday so walked their beaches. It was a lovely day, but it'll take more than Sunshine to make Sunderland ever bearable.
He replied that he hopes to have a more specific area for explorers available this year with more tools, when he secures his first employee to help.
He replied that he hopes to have a more specific area for explorers available this year with more tools, when he secures his first employee to help.
That would have been an interesting job but, sadly, I suspect he couldn't afford me!
I had a few hours to kill in Zunlun yesterday so walked their beaches. It was a lovely day, but it'll take more than Sunshine to make Sunderland ever bearable.
You could have gone for a ride on the fun bus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324HRfKudQY).
I wouldn't chose to ride through town ordinarily, so I was thinking of making a trip of it to get all the urban squares in one hit - but when would be best? I'm leaning towards sparrows fart on a spring/summer morning, when the drunks and yoofs are a'slumber.
I see you've given Leicester a wide berth.
My square is currently limited on one side by the urban blob of Swindon.
The squares would be relatively easy pickings, Swindon has alot of cycleways (and roads) but hardly pleasurable. I wouldn't chose to ride through town ordinarily, so I was thinking of making a trip of it to get all the urban squares in one hit - but when would be best? I'm leaning towards sparrows fart on a spring/summer morning, when the drunks and yoofs are a'slumber.
Yeah, likewise, I'm not adverse to urban cycling, my daily commute is across Derby and back everyday. And I've got all of Nottingham and half of Sheffield in my cluster. With a bit of local knowledge or a good route finding app it's often quite possible to find quite pleasant traffic free routes.
I guess urban cycling is more out of necessity rather than choice a lot of the time. When my max square reaches Leicester then riding in Leicester becomes a necessity!
I quite enjoy a bit of urban riding when there are interesting things to look at. It is the sprawling housing estates that I find tedious.
I quite enjoy a bit of urban riding when there are interesting things to look at. It is the sprawling housing estates that I find tedious.
For me it's the soul destroying identikit light industrial parks full of dead ends and idiot drivers that I don't like...
J
I quite enjoy a bit of urban riding when there are interesting things to look at. It is the sprawling housing estates that I find tedious.
For me it's the soul destroying identikit light industrial parks full of dead ends and idiot drivers that I don't like...
J
There's a Dutch word for this: Golfplatenboulevard
;D Backburner tho.That's my feeling on Houghton Le Spring
The planning is the best bit. I've planned about 20 future vv tile bagging rides covering most of London inside the M25 (having covered just over 1/4 of it already), I'm just shit at getting out there and doing them.
Current excuse is that I'm focusing on getting back to fitness after nobbling my ankle last year and the one day I can do longer rides easily is the day I'm cramming in spinning, swimming and a bit of running.
A 'carefully' planned route skirting Reading and out to the south, bagging squares.
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Bugger! Poor planning, Peat!
I've set myself a target of getting my square to 40x40 by the end of January. Knocked one of the squares off today, half a dozen more to go...
Took the Brompton out today, bagged about 30 new tiles. Does nothing for my cluster or square at this point, but it widened things at the bridge at Rhenen, which makes it slightly easier to push the cluster that way later.
More importantly bagged 3 more Gemeente. Bringing me up to 344, and 12th position. 4 in Friesland, 6 in Noord Brabant, and one in Zeeland left to go.
Zeeland is going to be hardest...
J
Friday's jaunt took my cluster up to 915. Of course, you know what that means...
Friday's jaunt took my cluster up to 915. Of course, you know what that means...
That’s Numberwang?
Too much information, infographic is nice. Totals 26868 tiles, 11*11and MC 408. West coast has lots of lochs so not bothered about max square 😄
Too much information, infographic is nice. Totals 26868 tiles, 11*11and MC 408. West coast has lots of lochs so not bothered about max square 😄
Get a pedalo
Too much information, infographic is nice. Totals 26868 tiles, 11*11and MC 408. West coast has lots of lochs so not bothered about max square 😄
Get a pedalo
I'll give it a week before he starts moaning about people having more squares than him, going out at the wrong time of day, not sticking to the rules or anything else that doesn't suit his way of thinking. He moans like fuck about all other forms of cycling so this will be just another platform for his greetin face.
Most don't link veloviewer stats, showing off if you do😉 as no one else sees your Veloviewer page.
Russell were they threating to write you out of the will👿Peers, not family
learnt a lot about people's attitudes during this. 😊No, only confirms what I always suspected
Been getting rid of some hard drives, used Ascent to log rides on the mac. Transferred onto Strava and up almost 600 tiles to 27461. 2007 had some rides in France😁. Now i can delete the drives.
I had better start looking at the European Velo routes now. Just a matter of waiting until life is back to normal. 😂
So what's with the Reading bashing? Really that bad? When I come back to the UK, it's looking like that will be the destination.
I use the VeloViewer Chrome Extension for StravaI do this, with added OS mapping. Like Davef but without my own GPS viewer
When creating new or editing existing routes in Strava you can see a “VeloViewer Explorer” toggle in the “Map View Options” that turns on the outlines of the explorer tiles along with your completed tiles, max square and max cluster.
There is also similar toggle that turns on the heat map, so I can see which routes have be ridden in the past.
As an additional check, I export this route to RidewithGPS where I can use the yellow Google man to make sure my route uses roads rather than tracks
Does anyone else find that VV sometimes loses old rides from your map? I just noticed that one from January was missing which meant a load of previously 'ticked' squares weren't showing up. Clicking on Update sorted it.Check if you have any filters set. ie for activity type, or date or distance etc. If so, it won't show everything. Click the blue arrow above the map to show filters.
I've also been using lockdown to work on my 2020 squares. Perfect for solo rides to out of the way places and gives me some motivation and purpose for my rides at the mo.
Currently on 19x19 max square and 531 cluster for 2020 so far.
All time max Square is 43x43 and 2837 cluster.
I'm being really stupid (and too lazy to re-read the thread) - where does it give you the numbers on your cluster and maximum square?
I've been having fun tile-hunting recently - went to places just off my usual routes that I have never been to before at the weekend. I think I now have three overlapping 11x11 squares...
EDIT ignore me, found it, you float over the square/cluster toggle buttons on the map. Cluster is up to 292.
Oh. Yes. I knew I was being stupid.
That's one place but the canonical place is the Summary tab and in "Activity Stats" box there's a bunch of stuff including:-
I've been postponing my tile bagging recently, as round trips to the unexplored out reaches of my cluster are a tad on the long side. Having failed to get OSMand mapping to display the VV helper app offline grid, I found a workaround - using the vv kml file (with unbagged tiles surrounding cluster) download, import in basecamp, save as a gpx, import into osmand and display the tiles (as a gpx). :) Though actually it's quite rare for me not to have some mobile data reception.I like that idea. I might do that with my garmin. A gpx file of the missing squares would be useful for manual routing. In the last week I have come across 2 closed bridleways - one for a building site and one because of covid19 and one closed pedestrian bridge over a river.
Hi fellow tile-baggers, I’m totally hooked on this. Headed out to bag 66 tiles tomorrow...so 65 bagged today. The 66th shows different on Strava when compared to VV - VV has simplified the shape and cut off me dipping into the tile. Any ideas please people? Now I’ve updated in VV an it be re-uploaded more thoroughly perhaps?
Veloviewer initially uses a simplified version of your ride. To get the full version just view the ride within Veloviewer then refresh the Summary page.It worked! Incredible, Big Thanks
NB this will add tiles that you have visited but may also remove tiles that you think you have visited but haven't really!
You can look at your Strava generated routes overlayed on an OS map within Veloviewer. On the Routes tab filter by name to just select the route(s) you want and change the map to OS (UK Only).
what have I done :facepalm: Gulp
I thought it would be easier to post it on Ride Every Tile group on Strava.
https://www.strava.com/clubs/279168/posts/9531104
Unlike you MrSloth I just can't face Metropolis ::-)
I went to the SE corner of my 28x28 Square to clear a blockage, 6 tiles taken but for the 7th I walked into a rape field, left my bike hidden 20m in because it was hard going and jogged a further 40m in to be sure of getting the tile. Then after retrieving my bike and on my way I realised I'd left my GPS systems on the bike! :o
Hi, I'm new to this forum having found out about it from the recent Audax survey.
I read this thread and although I'm late to the party the idea of collecting tiles has put a gleam in my eye and a smile on my face :)
Checking on Veloviewer I'm starting with a meager 8x8 max square and 380 max cluster, so on the plus side I've plenty of tiles to go at.
(https://i.ibb.co/VB8nfvR/Tiles1.jpg)
I'm much more of a reader than a poster and I've read loads of useful stuff on here (Explorer helper/OSMand/Ride Every Tile) thanks for all that info and so my tile bagging starts.
Hi, I'm new to this forum having found out about it from the recent Audax survey.
I read this thread and although I'm late to the party the idea of collecting tiles has put a gleam in my eye and a smile on my face :)
Checking on Veloviewer I'm starting with a meager 8x8 max square and 380 max cluster, so on the plus side I've plenty of tiles to go at.
(https://i.ibb.co/VB8nfvR/Tiles1.jpg)
I'm much more of a reader than a poster and I've read loads of useful stuff on here (Explorer helper/OSMand/Ride Every Tile) thanks for all that info and so my tile bagging starts.
Looks like there's plenty of scope to increase those numbers pretty quickly. Enjoy! :)
Welcome to the madhouse.
:)
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Possibly, it's a non-road though and was on the road bike today.Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Can you not go along Highfield Drive off Coddington Lane?
One of my tile bagging rides involved a wee sneak into a rifle range here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/57.2291/-2.0679
Just wait till the flags are down and go for it, Ben.
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
No point in that, nobody else see it do they, in fact less point than driving an audax even :)Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Fake a GPS tracklog that visits the NW corner and upload it to Strava.
;)
MOD Salisbury Plain Live Artillery Firing Range. Though there are times when the public access is allowed to the range, there are no paths within this tile.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/4d0bf47a145207f7233d95215a94a1aa.jpg)
On a route I am planning for next week I will be crossing the rifle range enroute to the burial ground. Usefully above the start of the bridleway on the map there is a duck symbol.
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One of the ranges near me has a Strava segment on it ;D I'll bet that's possible, Andy.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/4d0bf47a145207f7233d95215a94a1aa.jpg)
On a route I am planning for next week I will be crossing the rifle range enroute to the burial ground. Usefully above the start of the bridleway on the map there is a duck symbol.
Possibly, it's a non-road though and was on the road bike today.Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Can you not go along Highfield Drive off Coddington Lane?
One of my tile bagging rides involved a wee sneak into a rifle range here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/57.2291/-2.0679Just wait till the flags are down and go for it, Ben.
Hmmm, they were down today but there was a locked gate and I chickened out of climbing over it.
No point in that, nobody else see it do they, in fact less point than driving an audax even :)Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
Fake a GPS tracklog that visits the NW corner and upload it to Strava.
;)
Ride Every Tile has it marked as one of the Impossibles (https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/impossibles)QuoteMOD Salisbury Plain Live Artillery Firing Range. Though there are times when the public access is allowed to the range, there are no paths within this tile.
Data date: 10th March 2020
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On a route I am planning for next week I will be crossing the rifle range enroute to the burial ground. Usefully above the start of the bridleway on the map there is a duck symbol.
My lifetime GPS trace would have that square easily covered.
I grew up a few miles away and my best friend lived on New Road in Barton, there was just a field between his house and that rifle range.
We used to go snooping around the targets at the rifle range when we could see the red flag wasn't flying.
It is a planned ride for next week. I will take the portable barbecue in case I find the odd haggis that has strayed onto the rifle range and met an untimely end.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200514/4d0bf47a145207f7233d95215a94a1aa.jpg)
On a route I am planning for next week I will be crossing the rifle range enroute to the burial ground. Usefully above the start of the bridleway on the map there is a duck symbol.
My lifetime GPS trace would have that square easily covered.
I grew up a few miles away and my best friend lived on New Road in Barton, there was just a field between his house and that rifle range.
We used to go snooping around the targets at the rifle range when we could see the red flag wasn't flying.
Did you eat lots of haggis?
There are a couple (8161x5348 and 8163x5348) that I have been to that are still grey but:QuoteData date: 10th March 2020
Ideally the truly impossible squares (like RAF Lakenheath) get marked as impossible within Veloviewer itself and therefore don't interrupt max squares for people who just happen to live near them.
Ideally the truly impossible squares (like RAF Lakenheath) get marked as impossible within Veloviewer itself and therefore don't interrupt max squares for people who just happen to live near them.
RAF Lakenheath have base tours twice a month, in normal times. Would that not be an opportunity to acquire the problematic square(s) there? Just a suggestion, as I have not looked at where the squares line up.
Re marking squares as impossible, that sounds like a good idea.
If people are allowed to collect tiles in canoes I don't see why I shouldn't use my glider to bag the 'impossible' Lakenheath tile. I need to look through my .IGC files and get uploading to Strava ;)
Why wait for an open day? I've a daring idea for you. A few years ago CND were protesting there, me and my buddy threw a carpet over the razor wire, climbed in and had the run of the place for several hours. When we were spotted the American MPs were so unfit they couldn't catch us. We gave ourselves up when we got bored and hungry.
You're as fit as a whippet off you go.
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
According to https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8160x5331 , one person has got it ticked in on VeloViewer. Unfortunately but the ride itself now seems to be hidden or deleted on Strava. Maybe the extreme north-west of the tile is outside the danger zone?
Bollocks. There's one centred about here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.0844/-0.6934 that I physically cannot get, given that I would prefer not to be shot.
According to https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8160x5331 , one person has got it ticked in on VeloViewer. Unfortunately but the ride itself now seems to be hidden or deleted on Strava. Maybe the extreme north-west of the tile is outside the danger zone?
That'll be my ride - linked to by the Rider 1 Link. My Strava profile is private so that may be why you can't see it.
The route I took was Highfield Drive and then there is a farm type track off diagonnaly left that will take you to the square. There is a footpath in to the square from this point as well but I didn't bother with it.
I know of at least one other square hunter who has had that square for some time so not sure why I'm showing as the only one.
Struggled getting a tile yesterday that is basically just farm, no roads in it.
Ended up in the farmyard unable to get through a locked gate to the road, with no choice but to turn back across the bumpy fields. Was only a few hundred yards from Roseland business park, but no way through.
In the farmyard there were some goats and turkeys, but then there was a dead cow in a digger bucket. Disturbing.
Saw lots of hares though.
Hopefully there aren't many more like that.
That's from the rideeverytile.com website, not veloviewer itself.Thanks I will take a look. Another whole website, I think this World Wide Web is going to take off.
Struggled getting a tile yesterday that is basically just farm, no roads in it.
Ended up in the farmyard unable to get through a locked gate to the road, with no choice but to turn back across the bumpy fields. Was only a few hundred yards from Roseland business park, but no way through.
In the farmyard there were some goats and turkeys, but then there was a dead cow in a digger bucket. Disturbing.
Saw lots of hares though.
Hopefully there aren't many more like that.
I'm curious which square you were getting. I've got them all round there with little problem.
Thanks for the tip about clicking on a ride, didn't realise that did anything other than highlight it but can see how it would.
Climbing to the top of a mountain (unaided of course) and wingsuit flying down (and over an otherwise inaccessible area) would be a similar conundrum.
Climbing to the top of a mountain (unaided of course) and wingsuit flying down (and over an otherwise inaccessible area) would be a similar conundrum.
Seems about at legit as cycling: Human power, gravity, wind.
As many of the inaccessible tiles seem to be RAF bases I can see it not ending well.Climbing to the top of a mountain (unaided of course) and wingsuit flying down (and over an otherwise inaccessible area) would be a similar conundrum.
Seems about at legit as cycling: Human power, gravity, wind.
It was more about being able to cover otherwise inaccessible squares by flying over them rather than touching the surface of the earth at that point (as you do by cycling, albeit indirectly, walking, running, swimming, kayaking, etc).
In tilebagging news, I've finally sucked it up and ridden some of those horrible bits of the Black Country I'd been avoiding. I now have a max square of 17, awaiting easy expansion by filling in some odd gaps.with grey pays and bacon ;)?
The squares themselves are based around the standard OpenStreetMap map tile 256x256px image at a zoom level of 14
RideWithGPS have implemented a new auto 'spur removal' feature. I've tested it a bit and it appears to just remove short spurs automatically, not longer ones. For those who use this tool for planning square bagging rides, that'll be something to watch out for.I use the Strava planner, especially since you get the veloviewer plugin
It's a pity there isn't an option to switch the spur removal feature off, but I guess for the vast majority of users those spurs are unintentional.
RwGPS provides an OS map view, which I find helpful when determining access rights. All depends on what area you are riding in as to how useful that is, and your mapping tool preference.
And now, having said that, I can't find it! But I know I was looking at an OS map on it very recently. I'll keep looking.There is one in veloviewer.
RwGPS provides an OS map view
RideWithGPS have implemented a new auto 'spur removal' feature. I've tested it a bit and it appears to just remove short spurs automatically, not longer ones. For those who use this tool for planning square bagging rides, that'll be something to watch out for.I use the Strava planner, especially since you get the veloviewer plugin
It's a pity there isn't an option to switch the spur removal feature off, but I guess for the vast majority of users those spurs are unintentional.
https://blog.veloviewer.com/veloviewer-chrome-extension-for-strava-website/ (https://blog.veloviewer.com/veloviewer-chrome-extension-for-strava-website/)
It looks like Strava has deployed an update to the route creation tool ...and the Veloviewer Chrome plugin doesn't appear to work anymore.
Anybody else see anything different?
It looks like Strava has deployed an update to the route creation tool ...and the Veloviewer Chrome plugin doesn't appear to work anymore.
Anybody else see anything different?
I am hoping that the author of the VV plugin will update it for the new route planner. I'll give it a week or 3 before I worry about alternatives.
J
A quick note on the Explorer Tile overlay (via the Chrome Extension) in the new Strava Route Builder. I've taken a look at the new Route Builder's code/DOM and can't at the moment see a way to overlay the Explorer Tile info. If there are any Javascript Guru's out there (I'm experienced enough to know how average I am at actual coding!) who are willing to take a look then please get in touch. These browser extensions really are a hack and the previous tile overlay was one of the biggest, nastiest hacks I've had to do! I'm not optimistic to find a way to get that to work again unfortunately.
Thanks to all of you that continue to support VeloViewer, it is very much appreciated.
What we really need is for VeloViewer to do a route planning tool!
The tiles overlay is clearly an issue. I have some adhoc code here that will create a GPX track replicating the unvisited tiles. I upload this to RWGPS and plan my route accordingly.
All it needs is the KML output by Veloviewer
If anybody wants a GPX created, I could give it a go (usual disclaimers apply)
...in basecamp joining all the individual square tracks doesn't work as one gets multiple diagonal lines going on.
The tiles overlay is clearly an issue. I have some adhoc code here that will create a GPX track replicating the unvisited tiles. I upload this to RWGPS and plan my route accordingly.
All it needs is the KML output by Veloviewer
If anybody wants a GPX created, I could give it a go (usual disclaimers apply)
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Before you all get too creative in your new methods, this from Veloviewer:
https://twitter.com/VeloViewer/status/1263833888427835394
J
Good news, but I've never bothered with the route VV plug-in route planner thing so I'm unaffected by the recent problems.
The thing R_gner and I did independently was not for that, but to be able to use any other route planning software that can take a GPX file of unvisited tiles. Personally I prefer gpxeditor.co.uk but everyone has their own preference.
Good news, but I've never bothered with the route VV plug-in route planner thing so I'm unaffected by the recent problems.
The thing R_gner and I did independently was not for that, but to be able to use any other route planning software that can take a GPX file of unvisited tiles. Personally I prefer gpxeditor.co.uk but everyone has their own preference.
The multi-tile GPXs can be imported into GPXEditor too - but you need a subscription to load more than one track (I like GPXE, but marginally prefer RWGPS for its ability to group routes into events...paid for too !)
I've realised how much I used the vv plugin in Strava routeplanner on Google. So for now, in the absence of a combined osm/tile grid and routeplanner, I'll revert to having two browser windows open side by side, one with vv activities OS map, and the other with RwGPS routeplanner. Then check in Basecamp, on the unbagged tile grid kml import.
The offer is still open... if you are happy to send your Veloviewer KML then I will create the GPX tracks for you to use in RWGPS
Just had a quick play with https://brouter.de/brouter-web and it looks promising. <Load>, <Tracks>, <Your VV .kml file> puts your required tiles on a map and you can start clicking away to produce an editable route. There are multiple routing options and I think that you can fine tune them too.
Strava app has been updated! :thumbsup:Do I need to update ? Can’t find where to do this
vv comment re planner plugin on twitter https://twitter.com/VeloViewer/status/1265996701225103360
I'm going to stick with free Strava and BRouter (+ vv kml file) for the moment. I like BRouter's OpenTopoMap, with the cycling overlay too, and the customisable aspects of bike types etc, and the ease of dragging out a route.
Had a little search through my ride list to work out how long ago I lost interest in expanding my vv max square because I have the south coast on 1 1/4 sides of it:That's impressive!
30x30 9th Dec 2018
26x26 28th Jan 2017
20x20 31st August 2016
First mention of trying to bag a tile 8th July 2016
It's a five hour ride to get out and back to the northern edges, and there's a bunch of offroad tiles to do when I get there...and all I'm achieving is dragging the same 30x30 square out of the Isle of Purbeck, so the good times have well and truly passed for me. Oh to live in the Midlands! ;D
(https://i.postimg.cc/6p06C0Rh/VV-Max-Sq-May2020.jpg)
OMG, we've gone Teesside to Durham, please not Hull next :o
Feeling pleased with my choice of home.Nah.
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Definitely. A few weeks back I did bits of A5, A6 and pretty much A41 all the way from Bicester to Aylesbury. Saw about 3 cars on the A41.Feeling pleased with my choice of home.Nah.
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I should have been out more at the start of lockdown to bag some of the roads I won't usually ride on.
I still haven't moved my square to where I live yet. I blame Sunderland *shudder*
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This week's rides have haven me to 800 squares. I've been filling in some cluster gaps while some roads are quiet, up to 127 there now. But my square grows slowly (7x7) now as there's an unbaggable tile 4km from home.
:oFeeling pleased with my choice of home.Nah.
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I should have been out more at the start of lockdown to bag some of the roads I won't usually ride on.
I still haven't moved my square to where I live yet. I blame Sunderland *shudder*
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This week's rides have haven me to 800 squares. I've been filling in some cluster gaps while some roads are quiet, up to 127 there now. But my square grows slowly (7x7) now as there's an unbaggable tile 4km from home.
Is that between Ripe and Glynde? I think I'm stuck on that square too.
Yes, that's the one - no road or path. I think there's the drive to a farm, but my commitment to this isn't sufficient to get a delivery job ;D
If you look on https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap you will see links to four Strava'd rides of people who have done that tile.It looks like all four of those approached it from the south-east route. I got it by taking the track from that finishes just short of the north-west corner
Started on this about 4 weeks into lockdown. Now up to 18x18. It’s giving me plenty of new variations in my efforts to acquire missing squares.Agreed, lockdown has been kind to exploring. Keep up the good work
A lovely ride up the Southern Upland Way to Lauder on my Gravel Bike bagged the one tile i missed a couple of weeks ago.
This combined with two outliers over by Earlston on the way back now means i'm finally at 18x18!
Total tiles is now 10007, with my cluster at 713.
I've now run out of roads / tracks to expand on 18x18, so i think i'll now concentrate on my cluster, rather than taking up hill walking. It's supposed to be fun after all
You knowA lovely ride up the Southern Upland Way to Lauder on my Gravel Bike bagged the one tile i missed a couple of weeks ago.
This combined with two outliers over by Earlston on the way back now means i'm finally at 18x18!
Total tiles is now 10007, with my cluster at 713.
I've now run out of roads / tracks to expand on 18x18, so i think i'll now concentrate on my cluster, rather than taking up hill walking. It's supposed to be fun after all
Come on Russell, WWMND?(click to show/hide)
If you look on https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap you will see links to four Strava'd rides of people who have done that tile.
If you look on https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap you will see links to four Strava'd rides of people who have done that tile.
Where are these getting their data from? Plenty of 'not visited' tiles near me that I've bagged and have lanes running through them so I can't be the only one. ???
Interesting about your county.I'm not sure about that tile being impossible - approaching from the East (Povington Lane), google street view ends at the red flag, but outside of firing times, I don't think there's anything stopping you from continuing along that road. But you'd have to cross pretty much an entire tile without meeting an actual barrier.
I pulled my outer tiles and country boundaries KML files into Google Earth which showed me what I expected: I don't go to the far West Dorset badlands very often. ;D There's also coast path tiles that I could conceivably get without a boat. More to think about!
(The tile near the coast between Weymouth and Swanage is entirely Lulworth Tank Firing Ranges, therefore completely off limits to even a bit of light trespass ::-))
(https://i.postimg.cc/vm8npstj/VV-Dorset-June-2020.jpg)
I'm not sure about that tile being impossible - approaching from the East (Povington Lane), google street view ends at the red flag, but outside of firing times, I don't think there's anything stopping you from continuing along that road. But you'd have to cross pretty much an entire tile without meeting an actual barrier.
The unexploded shell is just behind that sign next to your bike.I'm not sure about that tile being impossible - approaching from the East (Povington Lane), google street view ends at the red flag, but outside of firing times, I don't think there's anything stopping you from continuing along that road. But you'd have to cross pretty much an entire tile without meeting an actual barrier.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MZhWcJXQ/Lulworth-Tank-Ranges-Tile.jpg)
From the East, the closest point of approach that I've achieved on that map gets you to this barrier and sign:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg32fpLF/IMG-20160627-124935856-HDR.jpg)
...which I'm not willing to be challenged about if I go further down the road. There looks to be access to a quarry (roughly West Creech on the OS map above) but one would need to go considerably further into the firing range after that to reach the tile edge. :hand:
... I have noticed that I have almost 'done' Leicestershire ...
It is possible! Somebody else doing tiling...The unexploded shell is just behind that sign next to your bike.I'm not sure about that tile being impossible - approaching from the East (Povington Lane), google street view ends at the red flag, but outside of firing times, I don't think there's anything stopping you from continuing along that road. But you'd have to cross pretty much an entire tile without meeting an actual barrier.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MZhWcJXQ/Lulworth-Tank-Ranges-Tile.jpg)
From the East, the closest point of approach that I've achieved on that map gets you to this barrier and sign:
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg32fpLF/IMG-20160627-124935856-HDR.jpg)
...which I'm not willing to be challenged about if I go further down the road. There looks to be access to a quarry (roughly West Creech on the OS map above) but one would need to go considerably further into the firing range after that to reach the tile edge. :hand:
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Perhaps a 5am Sunday morning ride to the quarry is more on the cards than I previously thought (the strava activity still goes further than I would want or need to!).He certainly seems to have a devil-may-care approach to difficult tiles.... earlier on in the week he was further into the oil refinery at Fawley than had previously been thought possible.
... I have noticed that I have almost 'done' Leicestershire ...
I've been thinking about bagging Oxon. Need to do some exploring in North Oxfordshire, and elsewhere!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49974087163_f9a4c7db79.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j93g3t)Oxfordshire_June 2020 (https://flic.kr/p/2j93g3t) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr
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The counties are generally ceremonial,
This gpx I posted is of the ceremonial counties so Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire are there despite now being broken up into various unitary authorities.(https://i.imgur.com/FeeQqOG.jpg)
The counties are generally ceremonial,
Actually the counties are administrative as per county councils etc.
I used the government one, so administrative, but I coloured them according to ceremonial county.This gpx I posted is of the ceremonial counties so Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire are there despite now being broken up into various unitary authorities.(https://i.imgur.com/FeeQqOG.jpg)
The counties are generally ceremonial,
Actually the counties are administrative as per county councils etc.
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Unexplored tile KML export is back 😀
This was previously available in the Chrome Extension but I've moved it to the main VeloViewer website and you'll now find it in the map settings popup on the Activities and Routes list pages.
You need to have either the max-square or max-cluster toggles enabled and if you zoom out too far it'll disable the button as the file will become too big. It now allows for a much larger export than the previous version as you can see in the Google Earth image. Note that there might be limitations on the size of the kml file in the apps that you use to view it so if it won't load, then perhaps zoom in a level and export a smaller file.
I've tested the export on Chrome, Safari and Firefox. Can someone let me know if it works or not in IE/Edge?
Note that on the Activities page the unexplored tiles are based on the current set of filters, so if you have the data filtered to just show runs, then the kml export will be the tiles unexplored by runs. Basically it'll be the inverse of whatever tiles are showing as ticked on the map at that time. Useful for those of you doing activity type specific max squares or a yearly cluster etc.
Another explorer tip: hover your mouse over the Max Square and Max Cluster to see their size in a tooltip (based on the activity filters).
VV on Facebook just now:Quote from: VeloViewerUnexplored tile KML export is back 😀
This was previously available in the Chrome Extension but I've moved it to the main VeloViewer website and you'll now find it in the map settings popup on the Activities and Routes list pages.
You need to have either the max-square or max-cluster toggles enabled and if you zoom out too far it'll disable the button as the file will become too big. It now allows for a much larger export than the previous version as you can see in the Google Earth image. Note that there might be limitations on the size of the kml file in the apps that you use to view it so if it won't load, then perhaps zoom in a level and export a smaller file.
I've tested the export on Chrome, Safari and Firefox. Can someone let me know if it works or not in IE/Edge?
Note that on the Activities page the unexplored tiles are based on the current set of filters, so if you have the data filtered to just show runs, then the kml export will be the tiles unexplored by runs. Basically it'll be the inverse of whatever tiles are showing as ticked on the map at that time. Useful for those of you doing activity type specific max squares or a yearly cluster etc.
Another explorer tip: hover your mouse over the Max Square and Max Cluster to see their size in a tooltip (based on the activity filters).
I check the max square leader board from time to time. In the last couple of days the number of people above me seems to have halved. Has there been a cull of some sort ?
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I must remember to take a screenshot before relegationI check the max square leader board from time to time. In the last couple of days the number of people above me seems to have halved. Has there been a cull of some sort ?
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A little buglet in VeloViewer apparently. Ben says things will rectify themselves as riders all sync their latest rides.
On a cluster of 1349 (2264 tiles) now.
Before my maxsquare addiction my cluster/tile was 68/6372 - 0.01. I am now 2131/9588. I believe the c/t ratio, as I shall now call it , is equal to the percentage of waking hours spent route planning.On a cluster of 1349 (2264 tiles) now.
That cluster:tiles ratio, 0.60, is much higher than mine. Mine is 968/7270 = 0.13.
Mine is 290/2196 = 0.13 too.On a cluster of 1349 (2264 tiles) now.
That cluster:tiles ratio, 0.60, is much higher than mine. Mine is 968/7270 = 0.13.
Went paddling into the Forth again this morning at low tide. Got stuck in sinking sand, as I crossed a river bed, losing my shoes a couple of times and then falling over when I tried too hard to extract myself. Had to wade out to knee depth to bag the tile. Means that I now have 15 tiles bounding the north side of the Forth rather than 12, though will need to canoe in Loch Leven and head off piste in the Ochils on foot to achieve 15 x15 north of the Forth.
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It's about how much of your riding is away from home. A: lots.
I've just signed up too, after slipping into the tile grabbing world and looking in here now and again for the last 20 pages or so.
I've got slightly different issues growing the cluster than most of you, as you'll see from my cluster screenshot below, but I'm still working away ;-)
No easy ones left now. Hopefully some mainland trips again soon!
I've just signed up too, after slipping into the tile grabbing world and looking in here now and again for the last 20 pages or so.
I've got slightly different issues growing the cluster than most of you, as you'll see from my cluster screenshot below, but I'm still working away ;-)
No easy ones left now. Hopefully some mainland trips again soon!
Nice work :thumbsup: I think practically bagging an entire island deserves special recognition way beyond max square and cluster achievements!
I've just signed up too, after slipping into the tile grabbing world and looking in here now and again for the last 20 pages or so.
I've got slightly different issues growing the cluster than most of you, as you'll see from my cluster screenshot below, but I'm still working away ;-)
No easy ones left now. Hopefully some mainland trips again soon!
Nice work :thumbsup: I think practically bagging an entire island deserves special recognition way beyond max square and cluster achievements!
I'm wondering what's wrong with Ȝell...
I just didn't see any bagged tiles on yell that's all.Ah, Yell has those easier road tiles done (just hard gaps between), it's Unst to the north and Fetlar to the east that have nothing.
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... the gaps south of there can be filled in by some creative Pentlands running...Well on Saturday I finally bagged those two squares.
I'm waiting for hotels to open. I don't want to do hike-a-bike laden for camping.
I will connect East Angular to the North.
Way too much hike-a bike on today's ride...
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"not a convincing right of way"
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I hit some bridleways adjacent to upper Heyford today(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200628/1dbe75f570dafa2e4dea7fff4a981e44.jpg)Way too much hike-a bike on today's ride...
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A few weeks ago I gave up on my first 'bridleway' (nr Upper Heyford), which was an overgrown nettle-fest (turned out to be on the OS map, but not have a bridleway sign). I had nettle sting tingling on my legs for several hours after.
"not a convincing right of way"
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That's either my back garden circa 2012 or the error in the GPX file for last year's York Rally 50...
Carried my bike into the middle of a field today. In the pissing rain.
I'm starting to take this way to seriously...
I did get the tile though!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Carried my bike into the middle of a field today. In the pissing rain.
I'm starting to take this way to seriously...
I did get the tile though!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
You know most of us leave the bike by the field gate and just carry the GPS to the middle of the field right?
J
If you're me, you walk into the middle of the field, having left the GPS unit still on the bike, by the gate. ;D
If you're me, you walk into the middle of the field, having left the GPS unit still on the bike, by the gate. ;D
There are two types of tile hunters. Those who have done this, and those that will...
J
I almost lost my bike too, carried into a field of rape far enough not to be seen from the road (no hedge/gate) , left it 50m short of target because it was getting unwieldy and on my return it was invisible until I pretty much walked into it, which was lucky!
I wonder what the max possible square size is anywhere in the UK, and where it would be centred... (Ignoring the 'unbaggable' land tiles e.g. ranges etc)
I wonder what the max possible square size is anywhere in the UK, and where it would be centred... (Ignoring the 'unbaggable' land tiles e.g. ranges etc)
Yes, I did do that eventually; it was just there was a "track" further than I expected so I kept pushing the bike.Carried my bike into the middle of a field today. In the pissing rain.
I'm starting to take this way to seriously...
I did get the tile though!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
You know most of us leave the bike by the field gate and just carry the GPS to the middle of the field right?
J
(I then stopped for a pee without taking much care over concealment on the basis that there was no one else for miles. 10 minutes later another cyclist went past!)
(I then stopped for a pee without taking much care over concealment on the basis that there was no one else for miles. 10 minutes later another cyclist went past!)
This always happens.
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
There's a Dutch military base that has a tile on it that has nothing outside the fence. But there is an aerospace company in the middle of it. I'm wondering if I should apply for a job, just to log the walk to and from the building for the interview...
J
Sneaking onto military bases is one thing, but golf? :o
Actually I have got the tricky tile at Brüggen (behind the guardhouse, took two attempts and some friendly chat) but it’s the correct side of the fence past golf course area that is a problem - it’s horribly off-road for a velomobile. I went quite a long way along it to bag one tile and then stopped - too far to the next one, I feared catastrophic tyre failure and suspension destruction due to the immense potholes.Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
Actually I have got the tricky tile at Brüggen (behind the guardhouse, took two attempts and some friendly chat) but it’s the correct side of the fence past golf course area that is a problem - it’s horribly off-road for a velomobile. I went quite a long way along it to bag one tile and then stopped - too far to the next one, I feared catastrophic tyre failure and suspension destruction due to the immense potholes.Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
I’m the second with that tile, I got it two months ago or so.Actually I have got the tricky tile at Brüggen (behind the guardhouse, took two attempts and some friendly chat) but it’s the correct side of the fence past golf course area that is a problem - it’s horribly off-road for a velomobile. I went quite a long way along it to bag one tile and then stopped - too far to the next one, I feared catastrophic tyre failure and suspension destruction due to the immense potholes.Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
Ah, so you're the one with that tile :)
I have the other one. On 32mm tyres it was doable with occasional walking. But there are multiple unpaved tracks towards it so it might be possible that you tried a different one. I approached it from the bikepath at the western side.
I’m the second with that tile, I got it two months ago or so.Actually I have got the tricky tile at Brüggen (behind the guardhouse, took two attempts and some friendly chat) but it’s the correct side of the fence past golf course area that is a problem - it’s horribly off-road for a velomobile. I went quite a long way along it to bag one tile and then stopped - too far to the next one, I feared catastrophic tyre failure and suspension destruction due to the immense potholes.Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Brüggen is not impossible but hard. One rider managed to get himself behind the guardhouse so he has it. 2nd option which was discussed a while ago is aplying for a test lesson in Golf at the golf course on this tile and then log all the walking bits.
Ah, so you're the one with that tile :)
I have the other one. On 32mm tyres it was doable with occasional walking. But there are multiple unpaved tracks towards it so it might be possible that you tried a different one. I approached it from the bikepath at the western side.
I approached from the east but the track was only getting worse the further west I went.
http://www.auntiehelen.co.uk/nine-wheels-in-germany-may-2020-month-74/
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?
If you tag an activity on Strava as a walk, run etc, does it show on Veloviewer for Explorer purposes?
If you tag an activity on Strava as a walk, run etc, does it show on Veloviewer for Explorer purposes?
If you select it, yes.
J
If you tag an activity on Strava as a walk, run etc, does it show on Veloviewer for Explorer purposes?
If you select it, yes.
J
Hmm, I only seem to be able to select Ride or Virtual Ride
If you tag an activity on Strava as a walk, run etc, does it show on Veloviewer for Explorer purposes?
If you select it, yes.
J
Hmm, I only seem to be able to select Ride or Virtual Ride
In VV: Update tab > Show options > Tick Walk checkbox
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?It’s the point where I stopped, certainly.
More than 31 would not be possible for me due to some RAF bases (Brüggen, Elmpt) and I thought 30 was a nicer number than 31.
Bruggen ceased to be an RAF base in 2001, and ceased to be anything to do with the British in 2015. 'Elmpt' is presumably NATO base Geilenkirchen, which ceased to be RAF (or British) in 1968. Whatever access problems you have, it ain't anything to do with the RAF!
Edit: of course (I should have remembered!) Elmpt is right next to the former RAF Bruggen, not Geilenkirchen, so I guess you ran up against two different parts of the same former airbase.
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?
Went out into West Lothian last weekend and the weekend before. Max cluster up to 390. More to the point, I'm enjoying exploring new roads.So on Saturday, that is what I did. It was rather good fun. I now have a 14x14 square and a 421 cluster. To increase the size of the square again I need more off-road tiles (but to go in one direction does involve a sensible round in the Pentlands). Maybe I'll stick with riding all over East Lothian to expand my cluster...
If I want to increase the size of my square, I need to go and do the off-road tiles south of Edinburgh. I know where they all are, and have a route planned...
This has appeared for the more competitive types ;DThat was interesting - I’m surprised I’m ahead of Olaf Storbeck in Germany as he rides way more. I guess less specific tile-bagging. Top German has 101 max square :o
https://rakietowa.org/maxsquare/
You can see who are the active hunters in recent weeks
Good news: I get to go to Sheepy Magna. I've already bagged that tile, but there are some adjacent ones I haven't been to yet...Have they relaxed the rule about visiting comically named villages.? Thank goodness for that. Barton in the beans next.
Good news: I get to go to Sheepy Magna. I've already bagged that tile, but there are some adjacent ones I haven't been to yet...Have they relaxed the rule about visiting comically named villages.?
Thank goodness for that. Barton in the beans next.
Good news: I get to go to Sheepy Magna. I've already bagged that tile, but there are some adjacent ones I haven't been to yet...
Max square now up to 34.
Max square now up to 34.
You've decided to not be sensible then :)
Max square now up to 34.
You've decided to not be sensible then :)
It's worse than that, the previous two rides involved COR. And I may have slightly trespassed on a gas installation.
...And I may have slightly trespassed on a gas installation.
Some missing tiles tidied up and joined to the cluster, but had hoped for one more long CX to sort out a few more of the more obvious ones left in the NW.
Ah well, my friend made a video of one of our more "out in the wilds" MTB rides, so time to share.
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https://youtu.be/fpPkmQ6UWc8 (https://youtu.be/fpPkmQ6UWc8)
That's gorgeous.
(and incidentally, I'm a "yay" for the socks ;))
@carlosferreiro, wonderful video and what a great trip. That's what tiling is all about. Will be watching the other videos with interest and planning a trip to Shetland. .Cheers :thumbsup: There's a lot of Shetland hills that are rough enough that "well I never have to go back there again" comes up after getting the tiles, but there's also places turned up as more rideable (in a slow motion, plus tyre kind of way) than I expected, which as you say is kind of the point of tiling.
Does anyone use the EveryTile app for Garmin (https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/e53331b6-55db-475a-99e9-3f567327e7ce#0)?Fixed this by downloading the source code (https://github.com/to-ko/EveryTile), inserting the generated "squares I visited" string and compiling the app. One of the reviews on the app mentioned that Garmin did recently reduce the maximum length of the entry field where you have to paste that string into causing this problem.
In itself it works nicely, ticking off a square when I ride through it. But for all my trying I am unable to save my current tiles to the app so for every ride it is as it's my very first one.
Achievement unlocked: coast to coast. I think this means I've won Blockbusters.
I'm not far from coast to coast but mine is in the Tyne Valley, not over those big ass hills
"I think this means I've won Blockbusters."The Haa at the top of Ȝell to Troy Town on St Agnes would be better
I think that means that you have to do the Gold Run. Pentland Firth to English Channel :demon:
Fantastic achievement- well done!
Hoping to do my C2C in Scotland this year- much easier for me.
Now back to hunting tiles...
J
Challenge complete. 355/355 Dutch Gemeente visited by bike.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdreYpuX0AAFrWN.jpg)
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdreYpuX0AAFrWN.jpg
Now back to hunting tiles...
J
Well done
I still have 1 island to go
Well done
I still have 1 island to go
Thanks
Which one?
Texel
I'll probably do that on my Tern folder
Current Corona developments in Luxemburg and Belgium will decide wether I'll do the remaining 20 municipalities of Luxemburg first or the leisurely ride on the island.
J
Texel
I'll probably do that on my Tern folder
Current Corona developments in Luxemburg and Belgium will decide wether I'll do the remaining 20 municipalities of Luxemburg first or the leisurely ride on the island.
Texel
I'll probably do that on my Tern folder
Current Corona developments in Luxemburg and Belgium will decide wether I'll do the remaining 20 municipalities of Luxemburg first or the leisurely ride on the island.
If you fancy some company when you do that, give me a shout. Maybe I can bring the Brompton...
J
My long term goal at the moment is to cover Dorset...
It looks like a track on the map, but wasn't, on the ground. And the farmer was in the yard frowning at me. I'll have to have another go via the footpath from the south.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200726/f539fd4505b37469c64d13d0d0f40401.jpg)
There's one really annoying odd tile south of Sandwich that is hard to access...
10428 tiles
Max square 17x17
Max Cluster: 643
Max Cluster: 666
QG, next time you are near Venlo/Kleve let me know and I’ll buy you a piece of cake.
if you cross into Germany at Siebengewald and ride down the German side you getQG, next time you are near Venlo/Kleve let me know and I’ll buy you a piece of cake.
https://www.strava.com/routes/2724715401175676904
An idea starts to form...
J
I've just looked at this for the first time. I have work to do.
Having never played the game before, I am finding it such a great way to explore my new local area - I've moved my (very mediocre) max square up here, so plenty to build on now.
if you cross into Germany at Siebengewald and ride down the German side you get
A. Quieter roads with fantastic road surface (the roads in NL at this point are rather buzzy asphalt)
B. Three cracking cake emporia. One near Weeze airport, one just outside Twisteden, one west of Straelen
Might take you slightly overdistance by the time you get back to Venlo station though.
Getting there with Oxfordshire, bit near Reading to go, and then up in the North/Banbury & beyond...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50177154867_6367ac6985_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jrZ2ZM)oxon0820 (https://flic.kr/p/2jrZ2ZM) by a oxon (https://www.flickr.com/photos/145942400@N06/), on Flickr(click to show/hide)
Having never played the game before, I am finding it such a great way to explore my new local area
It will take a lot of walking (annoyingly, I should have recorded many of our hikes already) as the high moors are largely impenetrable by bike.
Andy, could you tell me how you generated that map? That would be really handy when planning a square bagging ride.
Train to Nijmegen is a good option. Then if I can persuade you it's a lovely ride south within Germany if you leave your track at Gennep. Your current track goes within about 1km of one of the great cafes so if you are wedded to sticking in NL you only have a minor divert for decent cake (about 500 metres over the border into Germany).if you cross into Germany at Siebengewald and ride down the German side you get
A. Quieter roads with fantastic road surface (the roads in NL at this point are rather buzzy asphalt)
B. Three cracking cake emporia. One near Weeze airport, one just outside Twisteden, one west of Straelen
Might take you slightly overdistance by the time you get back to Venlo station though.
Something like this:
https://www.strava.com/routes/2724715401175676904
I'm not so sure I'd do it as a 200 yet, I'm still rebuilding my fitness, Maybe I'd do it as a 2 day trip 100k each day... or just get a train to Nijmegen and cycle from there...
J
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Andy, could you tell me how you generated that map? That would be really handy when planning a square bagging ride.
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Andy, could you tell me how you generated that map? That would be really handy when planning a square bagging ride.
I used the BRouter website: https://brouter.de/brouter-web/#map=5/50.990/9.860/standard
Downloaded the kml file of unbagged tiles surrounding my cluster, from the veloviewer summary page.
Manually traced (from OSM) the boundary of Oxfordshire in RWGPS, saved as a gpx. (Can post link if wanted)
Uploaded both these gpx tracks into BRouter.
I use the vv kml file & BRouter* route planning, since the free version of Strava routeplanner 'disappeared'.
*also super easy to share routes with. Just copy URL of route, which contains the route info, and email...
Plot a route that touches the 4 corners and then examine the resulting GPX file.
There obviously is a formula/algorithm for finding the corners but it'd be a huge amount of work to derive it.
Isn't there some KML interface for this?
You can download a KML file of your unexplored tiles near your cluster. It'll be in there.
Not sure how the JavaScript is going to render but here is the maths that RideEveryTile and VeloViewer use. (You can use size=1 for an ordinary tile)
You can download a KML file of your unexplored tiles near your cluster. It'll be in there.
Bingo, got it.
Thanks. Can add that as waypoints to my gps.
J
Vv tiles are Osm tiles at zoom level 14
Is there an easy way to get the lat/long of the 4 corners of a specific tile?
J
I guess that you are talking about the straight line section at the northeast of the trace. The rider appears to have lost nearly 30 minutes of the recording and Strava will just join the two points. Veloviewer has some algorithm to try to ensure that sections with dropped signals don't score tiles. If the VV algorithm hasn't done this and the rider has deliberately taken advantage of the situation to grab those tiles then you might indeed call it blatant cheating. Maybe the rider didn't realise what had happened - in which case it isn't.
Now you're going to tell me that you were talking about something entirely different ::-)
If you view the ride in question on VeloViewer and look at the tiles that it is credited with I think that you owe Mr van Kamp an apology.Interesting ... the heatmap comes directly from a list of tiles exported from VV, not from points/lines. So I don’t have an explanation until I get in front of a big computer and can look it at properly. Possibly the VV algo has improved over time.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50194628767_53cbe33aa4_o.jpg)
I also owe an apology to Mr VeloViewer for doubting his algorithm.
It would appear that the discrepancy* is in the heatmap.
*I really can't bring myself to call it an error.
Does anyone know if I can get rid of the straight lines caused by Strava blips? (they don't add inaccurate squares, but just look messy!)
Yes, that's how I ended up climbing over 2000 metres on a 95km ride on a very hot Sunday last week
Something I've noticed about my explorer route planning is that I now no longer really look at the elevations much; just set what seems to be a fairly efficient track for tile bagging & ride...
Since 'discovering' Veloviewer and Explorer tiles a year or so ago I've been endeavouring to complete Cornwall.Good effort! I'm working on something similar in Devon, but have got a lot further to go than you, especially in the far west of the county. Parts of Dartmoor are going to be tricky too. Currently on 6863 tiles total, max square 21x21, max cluster: 1018.
Yes, that's how I ended up climbing over 2000 metres on a 95km ride on a very hot Sunday last week
Something I've noticed about my explorer route planning is that I now no longer really look at the elevations much; just set what seems to be a fairly efficient track for tile bagging & ride...
Parts of Dartmoor are going to be tricky too.
Zig-zagging over peat country yesterday in a DIY300 to fill some holes and bring the square to 30x30 and the cluster to 1700. Now I'm boxed in by a lake and the Eems estuary (in the East), so it's time to move South (and maybe learn to kayak, already learned it's a Bad Idea™️ to hit big open water without experience and training)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/80u96xn0swae5i8/veloview2020-08-16a.png?raw=1)
37 new tiles today, cluster up to 1360.I am going to need a map update at some point Pingu! ;)
37 new tiles today, cluster up to 1360.I am going to need a map update at some point Pingu! ;)
Your area is the only one I have much real feel for the roads, so always good to see :thumbsup:
Here you go:37 new tiles today, cluster up to 1360.I am going to need a map update at some point Pingu! ;)
Your area is the only one I have much real feel for the roads, so always good to see :thumbsup:
Looking at the satellite view it'd be much easier to nip into the tile by foot along the hardcore to the side of the sluiceway South of there.
Looking at the satellite view it'd be much easier to nip into the tile by foot along the hardcore to the side of the sluiceway South of there.
Oh yes, I see what you mean. Good thinking. Although looking at street view, it's quite well fenced off...
Looking at the satellite view it'd be much easier to nip into the tile by foot along the hardcore to the side of the sluiceway South of there.
Oh yes, I see what you mean. Good thinking. Although looking at street view, it's quite well fenced off...
There is a public footpath all the way along the edge of the water/mudflats with easy access from Port Victoria Road: https://goo.gl/maps/csDf7FQtFJnpDcxu5
Ooph. After a year or so of no movement on square or cluster, in a week I've got it up by 69. Now at 712. Not as satisfying as 666, but it now goes all the way to Utrecht. I need to fill in the gaps between Utrecht and Hilversum. And From Utrecht to Alphen. But it's positive movement. A few more rides, and I should be able to get my square to move close to Utrecht, and stop being limited by the Noord Holland Peninsular...
I believe that this is what it looks like when you get there:
Definitions of the limits of the Severn Estuary vary. A narrower definition adopted by some maps is that the river becomes the Severn Estuary after the Second Severn Crossing near Severn Beach, South Gloucestershire, and stretches to a line from Lavernock Point (south of Cardiff) to Sand Point near Weston-super-Mare.[3] The definition used on Admiralty Chart SC1179 and the Bristol Channel and Severn Cruising Guide is that the estuary extends upstream to Aust, the site of the old Severn Bridge. The estuary is about 2 miles (3.2 km) wide at Aust, and about 9 miles (14 km) wide between Cardiff and Weston-super-Mare.wiki
Ooph. After a year or so of no movement on square or cluster, in a week I've got it up by 69. Now at 712. Not as satisfying as 666, but it now goes all the way to Utrecht. I need to fill in the gaps between Utrecht and Hilversum. And From Utrecht to Alphen. But it's positive movement. A few more rides, and I should be able to get my square to move close to Utrecht, and stop being limited by the Noord Holland Peninsular...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef44AFmWAAYqEPH.jpg)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef44AFmWAAYqEPH.jpg
Boom, now upto Max Cluster: 829. A single ride joined the dots up all the way to Rotterdam. A 117 increase from a single ride...
ETA: Looks like I bagged 18 extra tiles, on todays ride to get the extra 117 cluster boost. Total now at 10474. Square still at 17x17
What's on the dotted line the other side of the water? MTB Territory?
I could have just vaulted the gate and not worried too much.
On the North side of that tile the Google Streetview goes all the way into Ridham Dock up to about the 'a' of Ridham.
I contacted Ben at VV to ask him if it was possible to trigger a mass regeneration of all activities. He said it's not and one would have to access each activity individually to trigger a recall of the rich data.
+2000 activities will take some time.
I'm fairly certain that the activities done specifically to target tiles are good. But there could be quite a few normal rides that are not. It would be a nice project to find all the holes and fill them.
When I tried this my laptop ground to a halt because I opened too many at once.
Got a bit quicker as the rides got shorter.By the time they're shorter you'd likely not get false positives anyway?
Also regained one of the false positives - but needed to climb Whitchurch Hill out of Pangbourne & Long Toll.
I went from 47x47 to 36x36 as I lost critical square. I was going through the village in question today and it needed only a 100m detour. Stopped at pub for lunch in village. Just arrived home and realised I forgot the 100m detour. Still back at 36x36Got the pesky blighter - back at 47x47
Got a bit quicker as the rides got shorter.By the time they're shorter you'd likely not get false positives anyway?
I had a bunch of commutes I largely ignored.
I clicked on every ride longer than 20k and reckoned that that was good enough. Kim's point about short, remote rides got me thinking. Rather than looking for interesting ride names in the list it is far easier to filter on 'Tiles calculated = No' and look at the map. If you turn off the cluster and the max square and hit refresh you can easily spot the strays.
I clicked on every ride longer than 20k and reckoned that that was good enough. Kim's point about short, remote rides got me thinking. Rather than looking for interesting ride names in the list it is far easier to filter on 'Tiles calculated = No' and look at the map. If you turn off the cluster and the max square and hit refresh you can easily spot the strays.
Yesterday, I went out on a tile bagging excursion out to the Eastern edge of my cluster.
Managed to bag 38 new squares but filled in plenty of gaps, so my cluster went up by 78 to 3230.
Was pleased to be able to get a couple of squares on the Welbeck estate near Worksop which are tricky ones as it's private, but there was no one around when I got there (probably helped by the fact that it was early and that it was pissing it down) so I sneaked in and a rode the kilometre or so down the forest track to get both the squares.
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So I'm now on 3 overlapping 48x48 max square and a 3230 cluster.
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Russel dont you enjoy the thrill and the uncertainty of your front wheel rolling thro places new to your Strava and veloviewer account ? I Take it the Gala series has started? Is it a rehash of the usual old routes or anything different?
Got my max square to 30. This is the point where sensible people stop, isn't it?
Achievement unlocked: 40×40
Finished one of my Covid year target of Coast to Coast; Wash to Burnham on Sea. Completed with some better than expected Fen dyke off roading at the weekend. The other goals of completing Northants, and clustering into Wales also done, all ridden from home.
Next up is to get in the top 20 with my Cluster, only 18 off at 7,394 today, but it's a constantly moving goalpost.
(https://burlycross.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/screenshot_sea-to-sea-cluster.png)
Finished one of my Covid year target of Coast to Coast; Wash to Burnham on Sea. Completed with some better than expected Fen dyke off roading at the weekend. The other goals of completing Northants, and clustering into Wales also done, all ridden from home.
Next up is to get in the top 20 with my Cluster, only 18 off at 7,394 today, but it's a constantly moving goalpost.
(https://burlycross.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/screenshot_sea-to-sea-cluster.png)
+1 Birmingham.:P Definately Birmingham, even though I have a lot of family there i could visit
The linking clusters thing would be a good tactic for me - I’m about a dozen tiles shy of linking my east Kent cluster to my London one. Now I’m commuting again, I have an excuse to get the train to a point that would make it pretty easy to do...Yeah, I could tun the Mendips into a nice little cluster quite quickly - that was a Sportive. But, beyond that, my next tiles are waaay ooop North.
There is a plan. What could possibly go wrong?
I'm not expecting much more significant progress now the weather's turning.
Cycled across Germany from Lake Constanz to the Rügen Island in the past few weeks, this netted me slightly over 1000 new tiles but no increase in cluster.
A wonderful ride though.
When you export the Max Cluster KML file, and it shows the tiles you haven't ridden, but only a slightly larger area than your max square. Is there any way to make it show tiles further away?
Ages ago I plotted a 120k route to extend my max square to the southwest. This involved a lot of riding round Coleshill, Birmingham airport and northern Coventry
Ages ago I plotted a 120k route to extend my max square to the southwest. This involved a lot of riding round Coleshill, Birmingham airport and northern Coventry
You have my sympathy.
I thought you did rowing, Simon?
Ages ago I plotted a 120k route to extend my max square to the southwest. This involved a lot of riding round Coleshill, Birmingham airport and northern Coventry
You have my sympathy.
Thanks - but it was OK! I find that an occasional dose of urban sprawl is good for me and helps me appreciate the countryside ;) None of it was as bad as north Nottingham's relentless 60's housing estates with carp road surfaces :sick:
The only bits I didn't enjoy were some unavoidable stretches of fast A roads like the A452. Even those weren't that bad as it was a Sunday and they were fairly quiet. Most of the cars seemed fairly well behaved too :)
That square at Weston is getting annoying, so I'm still on 18x18. According to the map it's in the tidal part. The question is does the SE corner contain quicksand? ???
That square at Weston is getting annoying, so I'm still on 18x18. According to the map it's in the tidal part. The question is does the SE corner contain quicksand? ???
The Strava heatmap for that area is promising:
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That's interesting. Particularly the repeated triangle. Dinghy racing?
As I said earlier- Simon does rowing. The Bristol Channel should be no obstacle.
Not sure it would count as "human powered" for tile bagging though. There's no human power input, it's just wind powered. That's not quite in the spirit of tile bagging.
Ages ago I plotted a 120k route to extend my max square to the southwest. This involved a lot of riding round Coleshill, Birmingham airport and northern Coventry
You have my sympathy.
Thanks - but it was OK! I find that an occasional dose of urban sprawl is good for me and helps me appreciate the countryside ;) None of it was as bad as north Nottingham's relentless 60's housing estates with carp road surfaces :sick:
The only bits I didn't enjoy were some unavoidable stretches of fast A roads like the A452. Even those weren't that bad as it was a Sunday and they were fairly quiet. Most of the cars seemed fairly well behaved too :)
You're the monthly leader for new miles in Solihull, West Midlands, Birmingham, and West Midlands Combined Authority during October!
... and I have just received an email from Wandrer.earth to tell me that:QuoteYou're the monthly leader for new miles in Solihull, West Midlands, Birmingham, and West Midlands Combined Authority during October!
It makes it all worthwhile ::-)
I don't think I actually wanted confirmation that I am the only person who finds cycling around Luton a legitimate pastime.
You're the monthly leader for new miles in Mönchengladbach, Kreis Heinsberg, and Teltow-Fläming during October!Due to current restrictions I'll probably have to aim for my home province for november.
I'm new to this, so currently trying to get all my local tiles. I headed out to the Isle of Grain today and I have now got all the tiles apart from 2!
The NE tip of the Isle is an Army Demolition Range, so may involve a night time walk along the shore. The missing ones on the South are on private land, so will be very tricky.
...Ended up hitting a sinky spot, ending up knee deep in mud and losing a shoe when I extracted my leg. Had to reach in with my hand to remove the mud surrounding the shoe to get underneath it so I could pull it up. All good fun :-)...
Thanks. The North Side of the Isle of Grain is mainly a footpath, but easy enough to visit with a mountain or gravel bike. There is also a couple of tricky tiles to get near the Container port. I went on some waste land for one of them, but there is a big area of hard standing that is being turned into a lorry park.I'm new to this, so currently trying to get all my local tiles. I headed out to the Isle of Grain today and I have now got all the tiles apart from 2!
The NE tip of the Isle is an Army Demolition Range, so may involve a night time walk along the shore. The missing ones on the South are on private land, so will be very tricky.
I might need to ask your advice on routes... are the bits round the north side walks or rides?
By the way, if you look back through the thread you'll see some discussion about how to get the tile in the far northwest corner of Sheppey - I think the only way is actually from Grain, with a walk out along the causeway to the Battery Tower at low tide.
Just been planning a ride to pick off some tiles on the Isle of Sheppey. Unfortunately, the northwest tip of Sheppey is inaccessible as it's part of the port...
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...but looking more closely at the map, I noticed a path heading out to what looks a tiny island off the Isle of Grain, just across the water, which conveniently lies in that inaccessible tile. Hang on, I thought, I know what that is - it's the ex-military fort I read about in the local news just this morning:
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/no-1-the-thames-back-on-market-for-1-5m-232289/
Might have to pose as a prospective buyer for an excuse to visit!
The road petered out into the building site for dualling the A9 and to get the last tile I ended up having to cross a big slag heap. Ended up hitting a sinky spot, ending up knee deep in mud and losing a shoe when I extracted my leg. Had to reach in with my hand to remove the mud surrounding the shoe to get underneath it so I could pull it up
The North Side of the Isle of Grain is mainly a footpath, but easy enough to visit with a mountain or gravel bike.
I took a look at what Jonathan France did to get this. Looks like he went along the beach at Sheerness, so I will probably try this when I head over there.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?
Filter on date in the Activities tab in VV.
The before view generated this way doesn't show the new ride overlaid, which was the part that didn't seem so easy to do with built-in Veloviewer settings.
The before view generated this way doesn't show the new ride overlaid, which was the part that didn't seem so easy to do with built-in Veloviewer settings.
That'll be where the photoshop trickery comes in.
I was thinking you would have to do it by taking a screengrab before updating, then do another screengrab after updating. Didn't occur to me that you could use the filters in the way Pingu mentioned, so that's a great penny-dropping moment for me. The trick is to make sure you have the same zoom level selected when you take the screengrabs so you can match them up neatly.
QuoteI took a look at what Jonathan France did to get this. Looks like he went along the beach at Sheerness, so I will probably try this when I head over there.
Yes, you can go along the beach, but judging by my investigations on Google Street View, I don't think you can enter the tile in question without going beyond the big scary signs threatening that you will be zapped by sharks with frikkin' lasers or something if you go past this point. Good work by Mr France if he braved it.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?The before is done in the routes tab. I generated the route in strava so it gets synced with veloviewer. Then I just filter on the route name and it overlays it over my current squares. I did this before the ride was synced.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?The before is done in the routes tab. I generated the route in strava so it gets synced with veloviewer. Then I just filter on the route name and it overlays it over my current squares. I did this before the ride was synced.
No photoshop trickery needed.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?The before is done in the routes tab. I generated the route in strava so it gets synced with veloviewer. Then I just filter on the route name and it overlays it over my current squares. I did this before the ride was synced.
No photoshop trickery needed.
Thanks! My routes tab is empty as I generate my routes in RideWithGPS.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?The before is done in the routes tab. I generated the route in strava so it gets synced with veloviewer. Then I just filter on the route name and it overlays it over my current squares. I did this before the ride was synced.
No photoshop trickery needed.
Thanks! My routes tab is empty as I generate my routes in RideWithGPS.
I once found some method of getting routes into Strava from RWGPS, but involved jiggery pokery on another route planning site to get date/time data added then importing that to Strava as a ride, then saving it as a route, then deleting the 'fake' ride in Strava. All a bit of a faff really.
How do you render the before and after views? I assume this is done within Veloviewer settings?The before is done in the routes tab. I generated the route in strava so it gets synced with veloviewer. Then I just filter on the route name and it overlays it over my current squares. I did this before the ride was synced.
No photoshop trickery needed.
Thanks! My routes tab is empty as I generate my routes in RideWithGPS.
I once found some method of getting routes into Strava from RWGPS, but involved jiggery pokery on another route planning site to get date/time data added then importing that to Strava as a ride, then saving it as a route, then deleting the 'fake' ride in Strava. All a bit of a faff really.
With a paid Strava account, based on the above I can see that you can import a GPX created from RWGPS, and that works in Veloviewer. I've previously used Google MyMaps to closely check planned routes, but importing into Strava I can see is a whole lot simpler.
I seem to be planning my DIY Audaxes purely as an excuse to venture out into unchartered tile land.
Yesterday's 200 netted me 50 new squares and upped my cluster by 96.
I went out into North Leicestershire and found some great lanes in the process.
Yes, I'm well aware of that tile! Like you, the combination of not wanting to do dead end turns and not wanting to ride on the A46 has left it unbagged so far. It will become a much higher priority if/when it limits my max square.I seem to be planning my DIY Audaxes purely as an excuse to venture out into unchartered tile land.
Yesterday's 200 netted me 50 new squares and upped my cluster by 96.
I went out into North Leicestershire and found some great lanes in the process.
I'm pleased that you like my back yard but you really need to sort that tile north of Thrussington!
I try to avoid doing in/out spikes so ended up on the A46 for it. I have done a few TTs on that stretch and it never seemed that bad but it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience when I didn't 'have' to be on it.
I should have been doing a 200k up your way yesterday to grab some tiles but the general drabness of the weather killed whatever motivation I had :(
Sub goal: collect all the accessible sections of the Fosse Way.
I also like the Strava interface with VV plugin and again, it is probably the only reason that I pay for Strava. you can see clearly here the yellow squares which would be gained by my planned route
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Statshunter does a better job of showing what your planned route will achieve:
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I also like the Strava interface with VV plugin and again, it is probably the only reason that I pay for Strava. you can see clearly here the yellow squares which would be gained by my planned route
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Cute, but not enough for me to fork out dosh for it.
Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?I also like the Strava interface with VV plugin and again, it is probably the only reason that I pay for Strava. you can see clearly here the yellow squares which would be gained by my planned route
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Cute, but not enough for me to fork out dosh for it.
Agreed. I'm currently on a two month free trial, & for me the routeplanner is the only real subs interest - but not for £48pa.
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Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?
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Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?
Good spot. Just did a quick test - it picked a route the wrong way down one-way street through middle of town. ???
... and with anticlockwise roundabouting too. I would have put it down to brexit confusion but it is only some roundabouts....
Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?
Good spot. Just did a quick test - it picked a route the wrong way down one-way street through middle of town. ???
Yes, but I live in a country where most one way streets say "uitgezonder fietsen", so it doesn't matter...
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Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?
Good spot. Just did a quick test - it picked a route the wrong way down one-way street through middle of town. ???
It is definitely in the strava routing and happens pre upload to garmin and I would say it happens on about 10% of roundabouts. Some do have cycle paths near by but not always and it is routing (in blue) round the road not the path. Here is an example from last week. I have marked cycle paths in red. I was heading north. Ps I happily pay my subscription to strava....
Is anyone else finding the strava route planner often wants to send you down one way streets and roundabouts the wrong way ? Is there an “avoid head on collisions” setting I have missed ?
Good spot. Just did a quick test - it picked a route the wrong way down one-way street through middle of town. ???
To be honest, there's probably a psychological element going on here: Those that haven't paid Strava the ~£50pa want to convince themselves that the offering is bad and those that have HAVE paid, want to convince themselves they've paid for something good.
I do pay for premium, so with the caveat in mind, I will say I find the route planner (with VV addin) to be excellent for tiling rides. The underlying mapping knows about one-way streets and so will only send you down them in unusual circumstances (e.g. you force it, or if the mapping indicates a cycle lane contraflow).
When on a ride, I've never had it suggested that I go a wrong way round a roundabout - though I couldn't guarantee this is ensured in the Strava layer or it could be being patched up when Garmin translates the route into a .fit for display on the device.
It is definitely in the strava routing and happens pre upload to garmin and I would say it happens on about 10% of roundabouts. Some do have cycle paths near by but not always and it is routing (in blue) round the road not the path. Here is an example from last week. I have marked cycle paths in red. I was heading north. Ps I happily pay my subscription to strava.
Those roundabouts are fractionally offset. It has given you the shortest route.Not when you include the detour via A+E and/or police station.
Strava is an American product, and contra-flow riding on one-way streets is common (and even encouraged) in much of the US. I’m surprised by the roundabout thing. I live in the countryside and rarely encounter them on any of my rides, but I can’t say I’ve ever encountered the issue - and I’ve been a paying member of Strava pretty much since Day 1.It is only since the route planner rewrite a few months back.
It is only since the route planner rewrite a few months back.
Settings menu, top left of the map screen.
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I have never encountered it before the update (apart from when doing a route reversal myself by simply reversing the points in the gpx but I can’t blame that on strava!). It is more of an issue with one way streets where it can be difficult to find your way. I think it is as someone has pointed out above to do with the popularity routing ignoring direction as the heat map is directionless.It is only since the route planner rewrite a few months back.
I've not used the Strava route planner for a while but I'm sure this has always been a feature.
In fact, I think it's probably a feature of every route planner I've ever used, and I tend to force them to behave by adding in extra points. Sometimes I also turn off the 'follow route' option for sections and just draw straight lines.
Or just not bother and let it do its thing - I mean, it's not like I'm going to ride the wrong way round a roundabout just because Strava tells me to.
I like Statshunters but I have noticed that it sometimes misses tiles like the one in the middle of this area:
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It seems to use simplified track similar to VV but zooming in shows that I did cross through the tile - but only just:
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The more detailed view from VV shows I definitely bagged it:
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So it can!
I asked it to improve the precicision of the offending ride and it now credits me with the tile :)
So it can!
I asked it to improve the precicision of the offending ride and it now credits me with the tile :)
Ha, I'm just disappearing down this rabbit hole of ride updating too ... thanks simonp.
I've seen a lot of widdershins roundabouting by the Strava route planner, which I attributed to USAnian developers not understanding a) what a roundabout was or b) that we ride on the left side of the road.
A bigger issue is that it has no clear understanding of whether a given track is cycleable or a footpath. I accept that that's an NP-hard problem, and the mapping will always have inaccuracies, but it seems particularly bad at sending you on a helpful shortcut over a stile and through a muddy field with a 25% gradient and wandering cows when there's a perfectly good road route that's 100m longer.
But the tiles thing is handy. I use the route as a guide for plotting in Basecamp (or if there's non-trivial off-road, it gets tidied up in ridewithgps), so I tend to discover most of this from the comfort of my computer.
... and I have just received an email from Wandrer.earth to tell me that:QuoteYou're the monthly leader for new miles in Solihull, West Midlands, Birmingham, and West Midlands Combined Authority during October!
It makes it all worthwhile ::-)
Ah ha. I have some further insight with a little experimenting. Popularity routing can tip the balance in favour of going the wrong way, but also avoiding trunk roads.
Yes indeed, I don’t think the heat map takes into account direction.Ah ha. I have some further insight with a little experimenting. Popularity routing can tip the balance in favour of going the wrong way, but also avoiding trunk roads.
Presumably popularity gets skewed by people mostly going in the other direction...
While playing with Garmin Connect IQ to look at Group Track on the 530, I spotted there is a VeloViewer "Every Tile" app clicky (https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/e53331b6-55db-475a-99e9-3f567327e7ce).I wonder who the other 77 are. I just use it for checking when I have reached a tile when on a dead end and don’t want to travel further than necessary.
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Not all of my rides are pre-planned explorer tiles rides, so to have this screen available rather than check the Explorer Helper App on my phone is handy. Been downloaded 358 times and has a 4 star review. It had a version update in July this year. There is another one called "Tile Explorer" but that hasn't been updated since 2018 and only downloaded 78 times.
I like Statshunters but I have noticed that it sometimes misses tiles like the one in the middle of this area:
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It seems to use simplified track similar to VV but zooming in shows that I did cross through the tile - but only just:
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The more detailed view from VV shows I definitely bagged it:
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Behind the scenes, if you let an app like VV or StatsHunter have access to your activities, the app can use the Strava API to get two different "representations" of the ride. They both use the same Google polyline format, but the first one is a minimal rough cut and the second one is a complete one that really follows every contour of where you went.
The first one is obviously much smaller in terms of data to copy/store/process. VV uses the first one initially, and it can get your tiles wrong if you just clip the edge of a tile. This is where the advice to click into the ride details comes from - if you do that that VV loads the second more detailed form.
I have loads of holes in my StatsHunter max square too - I am pretty sure it only uses the first form, unfortunately.
I wandered over to find the farmer tidying up. He spoke good English, I explained what I was upto, and asked if I could ride through the farm yard, then turn round. He said yes. I thanked him profusely, and proceeded to ride past the loud dog, out the other end of the yard, check I was in the tile, and then turn round.
Permissive Byways are just that- by permission. Which can be withdrawn.
I explained what I was up to
I explained what I was up to
I've often wondered how I might explain this to the layperson. Up until now I have always avoided it when out and about, so for instance when I did a detour from a mixed use path to grab a square near to a small river, when I got back on the mixed use path again and had to re-pass a walker I had previously spoken to, I just said I had been down to see the river. At other times when I have doubled back on a bridlepath having acquired a square, I've said I'm just out exploring. I guess the latter is true enough!
I had to try to explain this to security at a former RAF Barracks (Javelin) in Brüggen. In German.
They sounded vaguely interested and I got my tile - just!
I explained what I was up to
I've often wondered how I might explain this to the layperson. Up until now I have always avoided it when out and about, so for instance when I did a detour from a mixed use path to grab a square near to a small river, when I got back on the mixed use path again and had to re-pass a walker I had previously spoken to, I just said I had been down to see the river. At other times when I have doubled back on a bridlepath having acquired a square, I've said I'm just out exploring. I guess the latter is true enough!
I say “each square mile” ( as that is what they nearly are ).I explained what I was up to
I've often wondered how I might explain this to the layperson. Up until now I have always avoided it when out and about, so for instance when I did a detour from a mixed use path to grab a square near to a small river, when I got back on the mixed use path again and had to re-pass a walker I had previously spoken to, I just said I had been down to see the river. At other times when I have doubled back on a bridlepath having acquired a square, I've said I'm just out exploring. I guess the latter is true enough!
"I'm trying to visit every grid square on the map" seems to suffice. You don't need to get into the details of OSM and Strava and Veloviewer for people to understand that as a concept for making solo bike rides more interesting. If they assume you mean the OS grid, as BRITONS who are old or outdoorsy enough to understand proper maps are inclined to, that doesn't matter.
And yes, if someone catches you somewhere dubious, blaming Google or Garmin usually works.
Remind sme I should probably try to claim the tile using the foreshore at mod Leuchars before it gets more difficult for me.
Generally if you end up where you shouldn't "fucking google maps" seems to work in multiple languages. Certainly saved my arse at least twice."my GPS directed me here" is my standby excuse (that I didn't have to use yet). Never mind I had to lift my bike over a 3 foot high barrier to get here ;D (as happened last weekend to get 2 coastal tiles East of Eemshaven, I'm sure Slugbait knows the ones I'm talking about 8))
"my GPS directed me here" is my standby excuse (that I didn't have to use yet). Never mind I had to lift my bike over a 3 foot high barrier to get here ;D (as happened last weekend to get 2 coastal tiles East of Eemshaven, I'm sure Slugbait knows the ones I'm talking about 8))
,,, according to wikipedia "In schools metric units are taught and used as the norm."
a 1500mm length of 2x4
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:P
I spend a lot of time on the bike converting miles to kilometres and back.
Just narking resident geeks ;D
(and having the misconception that the UK was still fully imperial on measurements, but according to wikipedia "In schools metric units are taught and used as the norm." so there's hope for ye yet)
Anyway, as long as precision is not required (ie 90cm being good enough for 3 feet) I can do inches, feet, yards, miles and pounds easy enough. Don't ask me to do furlongs and stones though...
Anyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
For most purposes we can treat a yard and a meter as the same thing, it's just easier to say "hundred yards" than it is to say "hundred meters" In your case the 3' fence is basically a 1m fence...Roads Engineer here - fun fact, when you get a warning sign with a "100 yards" plate or whatever, the regulations require it to be placed 100m from the thing ;)
Actually, for me there is a substantial difference between a 1 yard fence and a 1 meter one: the first one I can step over (on the tip of my toes) whereas I cannot with the other.
Oh, and I do notice a fair amount of usage of imperial units in this forum... :D
Anyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
QuoteAnyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
Nope, due to the wonder that is conveying the surface of a sphere, on a flat surface. I Wonder, does this make it harder or easier, for someone living in say the far north?
"my GPS directed me here" is my standby excuse (that I didn't have to use yet). Never mind I had to lift my bike over a 3 foot high barrier to get here ;D (as happened last weekend to get 2 coastal tiles East of Eemshaven, I'm sure Slugbait knows the ones I'm talking about 8))
QuoteAnyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
Nope, due to the wonder that is conveying the surface of a sphere, on a flat surface. I Wonder, does this make it harder or easier, for someone living in say the far north?
Easier, but only E/W distance shrinks as you go more Northern (assuming you're in the Northern hemisphere to begin with). The N/S distance of each tile should be the same. (I think, I'm pretty sure...)
Note that E/W distances of each tile aren't the same at the top and bottom of the tiles. The E/W distance will be slightly shorter on the side closer to the nearest pole.
You are right. The tile "height" is always about 1.4km. The tile "width" varies from 2.4km on the equator down to as little as 200m at the edge of the tiled area (which is actually about 85 degrees N/S, not the poles). RET.com has some expanded info on this at https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/how_big_is_a_tile
You are right. The tile "height" is always about 1.4km. The tile "width" varies from 2.4km on the equator down to as little as 200m at the edge of the tiled area (which is actually about 85 degrees N/S, not the poles). RET.com has some expanded info on this at https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/how_big_is_a_tile
Presumably the tiles at the North Pole are triangular. And if you took your Garmin, you could bag a whole lot of tiles very quickly.
This effectively means there are no tiles near the poles :(
ETA: just did a quick calculation - if the tiles are 2.4km wide at the equator, that means the circumference of the earth is ~16,700 tiles.
There's a small park just off the road, I think only need to walk a bit beyond that to claim, unlike the east tile don't think would need to walk the foreshore. Still not been back along since I first explored and missed crossing into the tile...Remind sme I should probably try to claim the tile using the foreshore at mod Leuchars before it gets more difficult for me.
We have our eyes on the same tile... The heatmap shows that it can be accessed from the East- maybe best on foot.
I made a calculator, you can use it to work out how big an explorer tile is at your latitude:
https://hugovk.github.io/tiles/
...This one again doesn't increase the square - max cluster up to 624 now.
I liken the Imperial vs Metric debate to the Brexit "debate" (yeah, there really wasn't one - I realise that). Is there actually any benefit inbrexitimperial over metric?
No. Of course there fucking isn't.
I made a calculator, you can use it to work out how big an explorer tile is at your latitude:
https://hugovk.github.io/tiles/
Nice tool, but the default 60.2 degrees is quite northern (it makes me feel that at 53.2 degrees, I live in the deep south). For the imperial guys: at a latitude of 48.9 your squares are almost exactly 1 mile ;-)
Ref imperial vs metric; if a recipe offers both grams and ounces I always use ounces, even though that means changing the weighing machine which we have set to default to grams. Probably because I learned to bake with my mother and she always used ounces, and we had old recipes from her mother which were only in ounces.
For most purposes we can treat a yard and a meter as the same thing, it's just easier to say "hundred yards" than it is to say "hundred meters" In your case the 3' fence is basically a 1m fence...Roads Engineer here - fun fact, when you get a warning sign with a "100 yards" plate or whatever, the regulations require it to be placed 100m from the thing ;)
...This one again doesn't increase the square - max cluster up to 624 now.
Welcome to my tile bagging world :)
Oooh, now you're asking - it's been a while!For most purposes we can treat a yard and a meter as the same thing, it's just easier to say "hundred yards" than it is to say "hundred meters" In your case the 3' fence is basically a 1m fence...Roads Engineer here - fun fact, when you get a warning sign with a "100 yards" plate or whatever, the regulations require it to be placed 100m from the thing ;)
Do you have a link to the regs for this?
Thanks
J
QuoteAnyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
Nope, due to the wonder that is conveying the surface of a sphere, on a flat surface. I Wonder, does this make it harder or easier, for someone living in say the far north?
Easier, but only E/W distance shrinks as you go more Northern (assuming you're in the Northern hemisphere to begin with). The N/S distance of each tile should be the same. (I think, I'm pretty sure...)
Note that E/W distances of each tile aren't the same at the top and bottom of the tiles. The E/W distance will be slightly shorter on the side closer to the nearest pole.
You are right. The tile "height" is always about 1.4km. The tile "width" varies from 2.4km on the equator down to as little as 200m at the edge of the tiled area (which is actually about 85 degrees N/S, not the poles). RET.com has some expanded info on this at https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/how_big_is_a_tile
Whoop whoop 50x50 (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/11c26d7db0c4f552e5ccb1f74f01c91f.jpg)
QuoteAnyways, our beloved squares are neither in metric kilometers nor in imperial miles (well, not in "nice" numbers anyway). They're not even all the same size I just learned...
Nope, due to the wonder that is conveying the surface of a sphere, on a flat surface. I Wonder, does this make it harder or easier, for someone living in say the far north?
Easier, but only E/W distance shrinks as you go more Northern (assuming you're in the Northern hemisphere to begin with). The N/S distance of each tile should be the same. (I think, I'm pretty sure...)
Note that E/W distances of each tile aren't the same at the top and bottom of the tiles. The E/W distance will be slightly shorter on the side closer to the nearest pole.
You are right. The tile "height" is always about 1.4km. The tile "width" varies from 2.4km on the equator down to as little as 200m at the edge of the tiled area (which is actually about 85 degrees N/S, not the poles). RET.com has some expanded info on this at https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/how_big_is_a_tile
Surely they are always square in size 8)
The tricky Grain/Sheerness Tile
If you view the ride in question on VeloViewer and look at the tiles that it is credited with I think that you owe Mr van Kamp an apology.Interesting ... the heatmap comes directly from a list of tiles exported from VV, not from points/lines. So I don’t have an explanation until I get in front of a big computer and can look it at properly. Possibly the VV algo has improved over time.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50194628767_53cbe33aa4_o.jpg)
I also owe an apology to Mr VeloViewer for doubting his algorithm.
It would appear that the discrepancy* is in the heatmap.
*I really can't bring myself to call it an error.
If you view the ride in question on VeloViewer and look at the tiles that it is credited with I think that you owe Mr van Kamp an apology.Interesting ... the heatmap comes directly from a list of tiles exported from VV, not from points/lines. So I don’t have an explanation until I get in front of a big computer and can look it at properly. Possibly the VV algo has improved over time.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50194628767_53cbe33aa4_o.jpg)
I also owe an apology to Mr VeloViewer for doubting his algorithm.
It would appear that the discrepancy* is in the heatmap.
*I really can't bring myself to call it an error.
Hmmm, using the heatmap to see how other people have got a particular tile, I find the following strava activity:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1343732799
Same user. Same line straight through a difficult to get tile, in the same area. Looking at the tile map for the user in question, their square includes these tiles, and these are the only two rides in those tiles.
Something doesn't quite add up here.
J
Oooh, now you're asking - it's been a while!For most purposes we can treat a yard and a meter as the same thing, it's just easier to say "hundred yards" than it is to say "hundred meters" In your case the 3' fence is basically a 1m fence...Roads Engineer here - fun fact, when you get a warning sign with a "100 yards" plate or whatever, the regulations require it to be placed 100m from the thing ;)
Do you have a link to the regs for this?
Thanks
J
I did think it was in the TSRGD directions for the plate, but doesn't seem to be. Maybe it was a DMRB one, in which case it would only be guidance and not regulations.....
Something makes me think GP5k's are not the ideal muddy off roading tyre... Can't think why.
I fell over. 28m GP5000 TL not very grippy in thick mud.
Please can somebody make this happen, so I don't have to?
Please can somebody make this happen, so I don't have to?
No, It's your idea...
:p
J
Interesting!
Going back to the ride in my previous snip it still looks the same if I open it in VeloViewer.
However, if I look at Gerard van Kamp's activity tab on VeloViewer and filter to just get this ride I see this:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50681795881_2ab3db3663.jpg)
NB - you can tell that this is the activity tab as the embyonic 2*2 max squares are outlined.
So it looks like the VeloViewer dodgy-GPS-data filter is different depending on whether you view the ride on its own or on the activity tab. I assume that the activity tab data is used to calculate Gerard's max square etc and also populate the RideEveryTile heatmap.
...and so the BlatantCheatometer swings back the other way.
But.......if I look at one of my rides on my activity tab where I forgot to turn the GPS back on after a cafe stop I have not been credited with the tiles that the straight line passes through. The most obvious difference (other than country ::-)) between my missing chunk and Gerard's is that mine is 20k and 90 minutes and his is only 10k and 30 minutes. If I get really bored I may experiment by chopping various sized chunks out of an old ride and re-uploading it to Strava and VeloViewer to see if there is a discernible pattern.
How strange!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50681795916_ec54b57a1f_z.jpg)
This means that I have a false positive for one tile that fortunately isn't part of my square or cluster. I know that I could delete the ride from Strava, edit the spike out then re-upload it but that would lose the comments, photo's etc. I would just go and grab it properly but it is 70k away, in a lower Covid tier and it is December so I wondered if anyone could think of an easier fix.Could split the ride into 2 sections, then crop out the spike. That should still keep the photos and comments on the first section.
I guess I will have to live with the guilt until I get around to a trip to the deep south.
Similarly, you are permitted to ride from a Tier 3 area into Tier 1, Tier 2 or other Tier 3 areas as part of your route, however you should only stop for a break while within your own area.
Groups from ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas are permitted to pass through ‘Medium’ (Tier 1), ‘High’ (Tier 2) or other ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas as part of their route, however they should only stop for a break while within their own area.
Both Cycling UK and British Cycling disagree with yourexcuseinterpretation.
Cycling UK:QuoteSimilarly, you are permitted to ride from a Tier 3 area into Tier 1, Tier 2 or other Tier 3 areas as part of your route, however you should only stop for a break while within your own area.
British Cycling:QuoteGroups from ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas are permitted to pass through ‘Medium’ (Tier 1), ‘High’ (Tier 2) or other ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas as part of their route, however they should only stop for a break while within their own area.
Travel
Where possible, you should stay local and avoid travelling outside your local area, meaning your village or town, or part of a city. People should continue to travel for reasons such as work, education, medical attention or if they have caring responsibilities.
You can still travel to venues that are open, or for reasons such as work or education, but you should reduce the number of journeys you make wherever possible.
You should still avoid travelling outside your tier 3 area other than for the reasons such as those above.
That is correct. You must not travel to outside your area to exercise, your exercise should start and finish in your area if you are in tier 3 or 4. Travel and exercise have always been distinct form the very start when exercise was limited to once a day but travelling by bicycle to work or the shops was not. Unnecessary travel was discouraged but going for a cycle ride encouraged. British cycling have been in exhaustive discussions with the government prior to publishing their detailed guidance.Both Cycling UK and British Cycling disagree with yourexcuseinterpretation.
Cycling UK:QuoteSimilarly, you are permitted to ride from a Tier 3 area into Tier 1, Tier 2 or other Tier 3 areas as part of your route, however you should only stop for a break while within your own area.
British Cycling:QuoteGroups from ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas are permitted to pass through ‘Medium’ (Tier 1), ‘High’ (Tier 2) or other ‘Very high’ (Tier 3) areas as part of their route, however they should only stop for a break while within their own area.
Here is the current wording for Tier 3:QuoteTravel
Where possible, you should stay local and avoid travelling outside your local area, meaning your village or town, or part of a city. People should continue to travel for reasons such as work, education, medical attention or if they have caring responsibilities.
You can still travel to venues that are open, or for reasons such as work or education, but you should reduce the number of journeys you make wherever possible.
You should still avoid travelling outside your tier 3 area other than for the reasons such as those above.
So far as I can see, travelling outside the area does not include for exercise.
I seem to have lost the Veloviewer menu from Strava. Just me or have others had the same? I've checked my Strava app settings and it still says Veloviewer has access. ???
the ride that connected Rotterdam made a big jump too.
I now don't live in my max square,
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqpXZFzXAAIcn9u?format=jpg&name=large)Max ride elevation 336m :o
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqpXZFzXAAIcn9u?format=jpg&name=large)Max ride elevation 336m :o
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqpXZFzXAAIcn9u?format=jpg&name=large)Max ride elevation 336m :o
It's 20km & 340m to my closest unclaimed square.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqpXZFzXAAIcn9u?format=jpg&name=large)Max ride elevation 336m :o
It's 20km & 340m to my closest unclaimed square.
I think my nearest available square* hits the 500m contour. It's a bit further away than 20 km, mind.
*Excluding those in the sea and otherwise inaccessible - maybe they'll start doing public tours round Redcar Steelworks.
My nearest tile not yet done is about a 85km roundtrip crossing 3 national borders with a maximum elevation f somewhere between 400 and 500m.
All the rest involves a roundtrip of over 100km.
Boom--max cluster has now moved to the NORTH (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180827/cda3f08844988fa2083cd6bf2d11b1c8.jpg)
Explorer Helper for Veloviewer.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.anisart.vv
Went out for a walk today which netted a few awkward tiles :thumbsup: Max cluster increased by 4.
Doesn't Ivo play this game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfstedentocht
(I'm so jealous)
Some well known Dutch tilehunters are already working on icy tiles:
https://www.strava.com/activities/4769361608
Started using OS mapping on VV as it shows low spring tide marks, bringing more tiles into possible range. There may be a tile near to home that I haven't even considered that is doable. So Monday night, 8.50pm there is a 0.24m low spring tide. Zip off troosers and hipflask at the ready. Watch this space.
Started using OS mapping on VV as it shows low spring tide marks, bringing more tiles into possible range. There may be a tile near to home that I haven't even considered that is doable. So Monday night, 8.50pm there is a 0.24m low spring tide. Zip off troosers and hipflask at the ready. Watch this space.
That's the spirit :thumbsup:
Started using OS mapping on VV as it shows low spring tide marks, bringing more tiles into possible range. There may be a tile near to home that I haven't even considered that is doable. So Monday night, 8.50pm there is a 0.24m low spring tide. Zip off troosers and hipflask at the ready. Watch this space.
Wow.
Deano, you hear that? Time to check out the tide tables for Hartlepool Bay. Or maybe get a hold of a sea kayak.
Chunk of Northumberland added.
Is there a scout badge available for filling in those last three tiles?Nah, that's a relatively easy walk once they reopen! I think the scout badge should be awarded for getting the tip of Arne...
This has been discussed before.
Happy exploring
There is a garmin IQ app you can install - tile explorer I think it is called.Hi Davef, I have installed it but perhaps I have did something wrong since everytime I start using it all my tiles are like unexplored and as I rede they got green. Next day all are red again.
I must admit I only use it for checking for crossing a tile boundary when I am on a dead end and don’t want to go further than necessary but I was also fairly sure you could initialise from your kml - will investigate.There is a garmin IQ app you can install - tile explorer I think it is called.Hi Davef, I have installed it but perhaps I have did something wrong since everytime I start using it all my tiles are like unexplored and as I rede they got green. Next day all are red again.
Also, once I got green from the app and went home.... Checking at Veloviewer i realized that the gps has not got that position as explored..tks
looks like lots of potential there Dave.FI have chosen my basecamp wisely. Currently 52x52 and I am aiming for 60+ by year end and can’t really see any major geographic obstacles.
Getting back into it with a near 200km ride to grab one solo tile. It's getting harder to motivate me to carry on riding from home, 77x77 might be the limit. Itching to get back out on longer adventures like many others I guess.
(https://burlycross.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/2021-grabbing-one-tile-view.jpg)
https://turfgame.com
https://turfgame.com
I have played turf for two seasons, it is funny but what it makes boring is to wait 30 or 40 seconds at each new territory.
Cheers for mentioning this, I'd not heard of it before.
https://turfgame.com
I have played turf for two seasons, it is funny but what it makes boring is to wait 30 or 40 seconds at each new territory.
I had a little play on it while out walking the dog yesterday. I didn't mind having to wait in each zone to claim it, but nor did I feel particularly excited about having claimed new zones either. Ho hum!
I can see that it might be more fun if you're in an area with lots of other participants and much denser zone coverage.
The appeal of veloviewer squares to me is visiting new places, but Turf seems more about repeatedly visiting the same places over and over.
The perils of tile hunting (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413) ;)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51067614186_ff1d3c8460_z.jpg)
Do you need to post for a while before being able to post images, because some forums do that.
Firstly, welcome! You could try imgbb, there isn't any built in attachment support here.The perils of tile hunting (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56505413) ;)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51067614186_ff1d3c8460_z.jpg)
I just discovered this Forum after Veloviewer retweeted the Evergreen post a couple of days back.
And I also just did my first tiling ride yesterday since 2019 due to some bug going around. Probably my first non local ride since 2019 as well. :o
So went and filled in a couple of holes in Scunthorpe that I stupidly managed to miss when tiling there an eon ago. And did a few others whilst I was there. Felt very hilly for a flat place with the strong wind every time I headed south or west. ;D My lack of riding anywhere more than 20km for such a long time and out of practice at eating on a ride didn't help. But so good to be back tiling again.
Plotting a route now is also soooo much easier since Strava finally took its lame route planner out of beta and VV got even better integration. So hopefully no more missed tiles like these.
Well I was going to post a screengrab of ride but after jumping through lots of hoops that I've not used for more than a decade. Hello Flickr, very long time no see. No image wants to appear. :'(
Do you need to post for a while before being able to post images, because some forums do that.
I just discovered this Forum after Veloviewer retweeted the Evergreen post a couple of days back.
Do you need to post for a while before being able to post images, because some forums do that.
Don't think so. You need to use the BBcode tags rather than the basic URL, if that helps.I used the url nested between the *img* tags if that's what you mean.
I used the url nested between the *img* tags if that's what you mean.
I do this from a laptop - I don't know if it works the same on a phone or tablet.
You can't do this from the Flickr iPhone app, I know that much. It's infuriating!Well you have to dig around to be able to do it on desktop too. Lots of times when you click share, it's not an option.
I just discovered this Forum after Veloviewer retweeted the Evergreen post a couple of days back.
This is NE edge of my Square. Marked tiles are only doable by kayak or pedalo.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51001127539_69d5d6f137_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kGN7na)
Kayaking the Humber (https://flic.kr/p/2kGN7na)
Those Oru folding kayaks are interesting idea. But not really for serious sea kayaking. No watertight bulkheads so really bad news if you capsize and have to climb back in. No hatches and it seems iffy customer service and poor quality control.The idea is based on the folding kayaks used by the Royal Marine Commandos during WW2, often transported by submarine. My 1/72 airfix toy soldiers had some.
I'm probably going to get a P&H Virgo Kayak. My white water kayak is no fun for going any distance or in straight lines
(https://www.roho.co.uk/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/ec0220039b94dee9faddde1110292608/v/i/virgo_clx_ts_5.jpg)
When I lived in Brough I spoke to one of the Humber Pilots about this and the look of horror on his face was a picture. Tidal flow of seven knots... I went sailing with another friend and even in a strong wind, sailing downstream against the incoming tide was dead slow. The waves got really choppy too.Yup, it's not a task to be undertaken lightly. Almost everything you learn in kayaking is safety related. Mess up on a bike and you'll probably end up with road rash or similar. Mess up kayaking and you can end up dead. I'd only paddle in the Estuary with experienced locals. And in good weather.
When I lived in Brough I spoke to one of the Humber Pilots about this and the look of horror on his face was a picture. Tidal flow of seven knots... I went sailing with another friend and even in a strong wind, sailing downstream against the incoming tide was dead slow. The waves got really choppy too.Yup, it's not a task to be undertaken lightly. Almost everything you learn in kayaking is safety related. Mess up on a bike and you'll probably end up with road rash or similar. Mess up kayaking and you can end up dead. I'd only paddle in the Estuary with experienced locals. And in good weather.
A chap in paddling group I'm in just did a 52km tidal loop from Selby. He went down the Aire on the ebb flow and back around on Ouse on flood. You have to time it just right though. ;D
The idea is based on the folding kayaks used by the Royal Marine Commandos during WW2, often transported by submarine. My 1/72 airfix toy soldiers had some.The Commando folding boats evolved from original Inuit designs, whereas these Oru kayaks do seem to be genuinely original as they are cleverly based on origami folding. Though the folds as I suspected also seem to be a weak point with leaks being an issue with some users.
The closest I've ever come to thinking I was going to die was in a kayak. Trapped, upside down, in about 600-800mm of water on the river Wye.That's doesn't sound like fun. :-[
J
When I lived in Brough I spoke to one of the Humber Pilots about this and the look of horror on his face was a picture. Tidal flow of seven knots... I went sailing with another friend and even in a strong wind, sailing downstream against the incoming tide was dead slow. The waves got really choppy too.Yup, it's not a task to be undertaken lightly. Almost everything you learn in kayaking is safety related. Mess up on a bike and you'll probably end up with road rash or similar. Mess up kayaking and you can end up dead. I'd only paddle in the Estuary with experienced locals. And in good weather.
A chap in paddling group I'm in just did a 52km tidal loop from Selby. He went down the Aire on the ebb flow and back around on Ouse on flood. You have to time it just right though. ;D
Glad you know what you're doing.I wouldn't go that far. I know what I need to know though. Still not there yet.
I read a lovely piece by Ken Oliver about Kayaking the Humber estuary and he's perhaps the expert to talk to.I contacted that club a while back to get some info. There was to be a group outing led by a local for the Yorkshire Sea Kayakers (https://www.facebook.com/groups/411870646373113) a while back, but weather put a damper on it. Do you have a link to this article. In case it's not one I've read already.
From a land based perspective, have you collected the tile at the bottom of the garden of the house on Station Rd in Whitton? I took the couple who live there some chocolates to apologise for the intrusion.I knocked on their door back in Sept 2018, they were lovely about my odd request to stand at foot of their garden. Didn't manage to tile much in 2019 for various reasons, then Covid. Hence little progression past there. Plus the water issue.
On the northern bank, just east of Hull, I have struggled to get access to the tile on the eastern bank of Old Fleet opposite Saltend chemical works. ABP have failed to repair the pedestrian crossing at the lock gates to King George Dock. I know its a dead end footpath, but it is the only way to visit that side of Saltend.Cheers. That dock is still about 15 tiles away from my current NE edge. So a long way off time wise. Poss 20-30 rides/kayaks away.
Happy / safe kayaking!
I'm definitely going to have to get into sea kayaking - although the price of kayaks is a bit of a barrier at the moment.I think kayaks are really cheap compared to bikes. Got a really nice creek boat second hand for about £400 onc spray deck, carbon paddle and a good buoyancy aid and air bags for inside boat. I also paid £20 for a dry suit from an Army Surplus place for a film shoot where I had to stand in a river. Perfect for kayaking too.
I'm definitely going to have to get into sea kayaking - although the price of kayaks is a bit of a barrier at the moment.
There are a bunch of tiles I need in the Medway estuary that are only accessible by water:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51090136998_a6b0dd1391_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kQEiM1)
Looking at the Strava heatmap, I'm guessing there are quite a few other veloviewer tile baggers in the area:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51090136968_e2b38fc789_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kQEiLu)
I looked up Burntwick Island - it has an interesting history:
http://www.rainham-history.co.uk/articleslist/341-infamous-island-of-burntwick
I reckon you should follow Graeme and boab's example, and just move house to somewhere you need a bunch of squares :)
What I really could do with is a tilebagging friend at Porton Down...I reckon you should follow Graeme and boab's example, and just move house to somewhere you need a bunch of squares :)
Maybe we should set up some Tilebaggers house swapping for short periods :P ;D
Did cross my mind if there was merit in the "collective" offering safe parking spots at their homes to explore different areas, as we wait for campsites and the like to open up. You are very welcome in East Northants. :thumbsup:
What I really could do with is a tilebagging friend at Porton Down...Saw there was an off road sportive in that area at the weekend with another planned, rider videos of passing tanks at speed drew my attention, but seems they only did the bridleways, no private areas like some old mtb events there.
Maybe we should set up some Tilebaggers house swapping for short periods :P ;DInteresting idea. And for more normal times too. I'm Sheffield with Peak District a short ride away. Lots of lovely riding here.
Did cross my mind if there was merit in the "collective" offering safe parking spots at their homes to explore different areas, as we wait for campsites and the like to open up. You are very welcome in East Northants. :thumbsup:
Tiled all the land part of The Gower bar one which I rode past twice within a few easy metres of ticking it off, but forgot. Duh!
Frustrating!No big deal with this one. It's not part of my Max Square, it's easy to get and it's somewhere I'll ride again anyway.
One annoyance was a tile in Newport- by an old pier on Boat Brae- hoped to blag my way onto it, but all padlocked shut. Another day...
Used the extension of ability to move within Fife and a low tide to explore the North East Corner of the Kingdom. First, accessed the two tiles south of Leuchars, which I thought would be tricky, but actually were really simple- a 25 min walk from Coble Shore parking on the Guardbridge to St Andrews Road. It was a little muddy but nothing compared to what I have already done.That tile is right at the end of the slip so needs low tide and boat trips running from the pier.
Then had a great ride in Tentsmuir Forest and on the beach - some lovely hard sand (and a bit of hike a bike over some softer stuff) and some great little MTB trails. Then tidied up some missing tiles in the NE corner of Fife. A mini cluster of 40 odd ready to join up with the rest. I also think Tentsmuir point is worth further exploration. At low tide there are as many as 3 or 4 tiles (2 to North and two to the East which could be accessible. Would have to be there for 1hr either side of low tide, not 3hrs after it like I was today. And seals in their hundreds as potential sandbar mates...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51103048551_50abfbb360.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kRNtVZ)tentsmuir (https://flic.kr/p/2kRNtVZ)
One annoyance was a tile in Newport- by an old pier on Boat Brae- hoped to blag my way onto it, but all padlocked shut. Another day...
It might be cheaper to move to HebdenThough as Hebden is off NW corner of Max Square at moment, it would make more sense to move to SW corner as I've nearly finished Peak District. South and West is way easier than more of the Pennines in the very lumpy North + West. I'd end up swapping riding the Peaks to the Dales and these areas are really slow going.
;D
South and West is way easier than more of the Pennines in the very lumpy North + West. I'd end up swapping riding the Peaks to the Dales and these areas are really slow going.
Tell me about it, the SW corner of my square is on Fountains Fell, and the western edge is the Pennine Way.It is very nice in The Peaks and Dales.
Not that I'd swap, it's fabulous, just slow going.
A fair bit of this:Ooh! That terrain can be really hard going. Ankle snapping too if you are not careful.(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51121475245_376a122e32_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTqVxB)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51120683481_40af1fbff9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTmSbv)
Ooh! That terrain can be really hard going. Ankle snapping too if you are not careful.
Good work. Those hills are tough. Our squares may be touching soon. ;D
Also having looked at where you went I just realised when I walked around Malham in 2019, I forgot to strava it. Duh!
Might take a break from it for a while now...
the B2231 is probably one of the most dangerous roads I have had the displeasure of riding on.
It's a dead end road!
Or pack the abseiling kit.
Might take a break from it for a while now...
Spoke too soon! I had to go round t'Moors today anyway, to do a spot of route-checking and check there was a cafe/pub stop for one of my audaxes in a couple of weeks.
I grabbed a few extra squares while I was round there, and I've finally pushed my square under the Tees Estuary, which has been a long-term goal for a while (now I can expand on three sides, instead of just south and west, though I'll hit the Humber eventually). Square has bounced up to 47x47 (x2).
But look how close I am to 48x48 - you can see where I walked out to the cliff edge (on a previous ride, not today). I might have to go and walk out along the beach under Cattersty Cliff from Skinningrove now.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123744248_9d1b9b514b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTCy3m)
Or pack the abseiling kit.
Might take a break from it for a while now...
Spoke too soon! I had to go round t'Moors today anyway, to do a spot of route-checking and check there was a cafe/pub stop for one of my audaxes in a couple of weeks.
I grabbed a few extra squares while I was round there, and I've finally pushed my square under the Tees Estuary, which has been a long-term goal for a while (now I can expand on three sides, instead of just south and west, though I'll hit the Humber eventually). Square has bounced up to 47x47 (x2).
But look how close I am to 48x48 - you can see where I walked out to the cliff edge (on a previous ride, not today). I might have to go and walk out along the beach under Cattersty Cliff from Skinningrove now.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123744248_9d1b9b514b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTCy3m)
Couldn't quite see which way you intended to get to Warden Point. My original plan was to go to the end of Warden Road. But the path at the end has now been closed by the Council due to landslips. Instead, I went through a stile which has been installed here and there is a very pleasant path through the field down to the cliff edge.
Note to self - when route planning don't add on a load of road miles on a loop when using the full sus to do some proper MTB tiles. It's hard/tedious/slow work on tarmac.
You can tell I'm out of tile collecting practice when I do dumb things like that. It was so slow going on road, I ran out of daylight. So I had to skip the 4km spur off main loop, which looked it could be a bit technical on satellite imagery and which prompted me to take the MTB in first place, rather than the CX. Duh!
But the other off road sections were definitely better on the Epic than my Crux.
You had a track? I dreamed of having a track... ;DSheep would have struggled with that 'track'. Imagine single track and halve the width and give it a very variable vertical profile with added random rocks. Track does not necessarily equal easy. I however loved it because I like techy riding.
^^^ Great piccies.Ta.
I hope your wheels have lots of spokes!Just 24 on those road wheels. ;D
I should clarify, that when I say I need an MTB for off road sections, I mean seriously difficult stuff to ride on an MTB.
All considered suitable to be designated part of NCR17. ::-)Many parts of the Sustrans network are being deprecated as they are not fit for purpose.
Problem is what Sustrans consider "suitable".All considered suitable to be designated part of NCR17. ::-)Many parts of the Sustrans network are being deprecated as they are not fit for purpose.
Sections of supposed bike routes that become deep mud, need upgrading however. No users appreciate that.
Or as I saw today, a cyclist on the 70mph 3-lane section of the A20. Google Maps offers this as a cycle route but it's really not advisable (the ex A20 is a good parallel alternative).
When I did the Festive 500, the cycleway from Cambridge to St Ives was flooded. I decided to use the old A14/A1307, built as part of the new A14, but they hadn't finished building it between Bar Hill and Swavesey! The legal route was to cycle on the new A14, the same one that was meant to be the A14(M). Needless to say ignoring the road closed signs and a bit of creativity, including contraflowing a slip road for a short distance, felt far safer.Or as I saw today, a cyclist on the 70mph 3-lane section of the A20. Google Maps offers this as a cycle route but it's really not advisable (the ex A20 is a good parallel alternative).
Komoot tried to take me down the A14 near Cambridge...
J
You had a track? I dreamed of having a track... ;DThe majority of my tiling time now is spend confering with my spirit animal - "If I was a sheep, where would I go from here...." ;D
At times I think sheep had more sense than to come this way. ;DYou had a track? I dreamed of having a track... ;DThe majority of my tiling time now is spend confering with my spirit animal - "If I was a sheep, where would I go from here...." ;D
Three years ago my GPS went for a bit of a wander around while I was having coffee with a couple of mates. The resulting 5k spike nabbed a few tiles before I even knew what they were.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50722595771_97405f843b_z.jpg)
This means that I have a false positive for one tile that fortunately isn't part of my square or cluster. I know that I could delete the ride from Strava, edit the spike out then re-upload it but that would lose the comments, photo's etc. I would just go and grab it properly but it is 70k away, in a lower Covid tier and it is December so I wondered if anyone could think of an easier fix.
None of the tracks were even remotely comparable with imajez's but 25mm GP4000s on the summer bike weren't exactly ideal:Hard baked mud particularly where horses/cattle have been wandering when wet is awful on almost any bike, let alone 25mm tyres.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51129982036_770027707f_z.jpg)
This looks like a lovely quiet country route, right? Well, it is. But for some inexplicable reason it's been deprecated as NCN 254.
It looks like their emphasis is on traffic free routes, not routes suitable for road bikes. And that's fine for the kids - but the sustrans network is not "about it being for everyone", as their CEO says. It's for families out on jollies.
I've long thought that there is a space for a network targeting road cyclists and commuters that avoids busy roads where possible, but fundamentally has a decent surface (fine gravel railway paths may be acceptable with a signed alternative), and takes a direct route.
Sure, there's Strava, but when your GPS gizmos go crackers, at rush hour, it's nice if there are signs to follow, instead of you knowing only one route back home to Oxford, that route being the A34. :o
I started this a month or so ago, not long after I decided to get back on the bike after many years of nothing more than commuting. My previous audax career was all pre-GPS (or at least, I didn't have a GPS device then), so I'm very much starting from scratch. Still - that means I'm at the fun stage of being able to increase my cluster + square with every 30k ride from home :)
Today's jaunt gave me all the nines -- 99 cluster, and a 9x9 max square. Next extended commute should push it up to 10x10 :)
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I'm wondering whether to try and complete all of the Vale of White Horse for a first challenge -- I might take advantage of the dry conditions and get some squares along the ridgeway next; relatively rare chance for it to be accessible with 28mm tyres and low clearance mudguards!
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:thumbsup: Welcome to the madhouse :)
The Ochlis look like they'll be fun/challenging.
They are - everyone heads past them on their way to the highlands, but they are a decent range in their own right- as high as 720 m. However, roads are few and far between, and often very up and down with 20% slopes not uncommon. As a result, need to use a lot of tracks and tody a slog across moorland to bag tiles. Only saw 2 cars in a 2 and a half hour ride and the only cyclists started to appear 20 mins from the end.At least there is a reasonable number of tracks.
This may involve hillsNo 'may' about it. ;D
Carron Valley and Fintry currently blocking my cluster moving West. Have reached Loch Venachar and have a plan to try to get to Inversnaid and Arrochar for a C2C cluster (On East have North Berwick and 1 short ride away from having St Andrews and Fife Ness).
Skinflats/Grangemouth is pretty straightforward - two tiles where you may need to walk off the road/path - the tile just south of Kincardine Bridge which is useful if you want to head over into Fife/Clacks and the other is the one two tiles south of that one.
Have you managed to bag Flanders moss nature reserve, going to wait for a winter big freeze. ;
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@andyoxon -- rather bizarrely, I ended up chatting to guy on a ride a month or so ago who asked if I "knew Andy from Abingdon, he's into audaxes" (he'd seen my AUK mudguard sticker) - I guess maybe he meant you!?!
explorer helper for VV app.
explorer helper for VV app.
Not available for iPhone, unfortunately. :(
Either way, I would have had to get very wet to bag the tile. But fortunately it's local so I can in theory go back and get it any time I like - just need to keep an eye on tide times and remember to wear wellies. Today was a perfect opportunity though, as it was clearly a very low tide (it doesn't always go out that far).
Take the shoes off, roll the troosers up and wing it :-)
You can use Maps.me app on iPhone though. Load the KML file from VV website and it'll show you tiles around your max square you haven't yet ticked off.explorer helper for VV app.
Not available for iPhone, unfortunately. :(
This was mildly annoying from the ride last week:Look at your activities on VV, click on that one and open it in a new tab. VV will then do a more accurate rendering of route. It may just get you that tile.
I am pretty sure that I didn't ride a dead straight line to cut the inside of the corner but as far as VeloViewer is concerned the GPS never lies! I had actually put a spike on the GPX out into the field just to remind me to check that I was 'in' but missed it as I didn't bother with an alarm and wasn't hanging about as I was moderately sure that I was trespassing!
You can use Maps.me app on iPhone though. Load the KML file from VV website and it'll show you tiles around your max square you haven't yet ticked off.
This was mildly annoying from the ride last week:Look at your activities on VV, click on that one and open it in a new tab. VV will then do a more accurate rendering of route. It may just get you that tile.
I am pretty sure that I didn't ride a dead straight line to cut the inside of the corner but as far as VeloViewer is concerned the GPS never lies! I had actually put a spike on the GPX out into the field just to remind me to check that I was 'in' but missed it as I didn't bother with an alarm and wasn't hanging about as I was moderately sure that I was trespassing!
If you open the VV website, there's an option to show your current location on the activities map.explorer helper for VV app.
Not available for iPhone, unfortunately. :(
Either way, I would have had to get very wet to bag the tile. But fortunately it's local so I can in theory go back and get it any time I like - just need to keep an eye on tide times and remember to wear wellies. Today was a perfect opportunity though, as it was clearly a very low tide (it doesn't always go out that far).
If you open the VV website, there's an option to show your current location on the activities map.
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If you open the VV website, there's an option to show your current location on the activities map.
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There is a tile explorer IQ app I have on my garmin. It means you don’t have to go too far down dead ends before turning.
There is a tile explorer IQ app I have on my garmin. It means you don’t have to go too far down dead ends before turning.I always add a bit extra to dead end spurs and then ride past that point, just in case. GPS may be slightly off and I want to make 100% sure. Had to revisit a tile because of that once. Lesson learnt. Also when a route only just goes into a tile like JonBuoy's near miss above, I add a spur onto it. Just to be safe.
I always add a bit extra to dead end spurs and then ride past that point, just in case. GPS may be slightly off and I want to make 100% sure. Had to revisit a tile because of that once. Lesson learnt.
Yep, that’s the oneThere is a tile explorer IQ app I have on my garmin. It means you don’t have to go too far down dead ends before turning.
That seems a useful additional for the new Garmins. https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/e53331b6-55db-475a-99e9-3f567327e7ce
I used to before I had the garmin app. Now I just watch the app and wait for the tile to change colour. I then know the device has recorded a track point in the tile (even if it is slightly off from reality)I always add a bit extra to dead end spurs and then ride past that point, just in case. GPS may be slightly off and I want to make 100% sure. Had to revisit a tile because of that once. Lesson learnt.
Same here. I even added a gratuitous hill on a recent ride, even though I was pretty sure I was into the tile before the climb started.
Only just saw this. Yep, I got that one, I went alongside the Holiday Park on a grass path, then back to the road through the Caravan Site. My next Veloviewer outing is likely to be Minster and Thanet, so I may be in touch if any of the tiles look a bit tricky.Couldn't quite see which way you intended to get to Warden Point. My original plan was to go to the end of Warden Road. But the path at the end has now been closed by the Council due to landslips. Instead, I went through a stile which has been installed here and there is a very pleasant path through the field down to the cliff edge.
I was planning to go through the campsite, but that path looks like an interesting possibility.
In a similar vein... in case you haven't already got this one, there's a tile you can get easily in Seasalter by going into the Alberta holiday park:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51125926018_92b183d54a_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kTPJB5)
Screenshot 2021-04-19 at 19.33.11 (https://flic.kr/p/2kTPJB5) by citoyen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/103760266@N08/), on Flickr
I did wonder if it was possible to get that tile. I might have to ride down to Whitstable for a suitable low tide.explorer helper for VV app.
Not available for iPhone, unfortunately. :(
Either way, I would have had to get very wet to bag the tile. But fortunately it's local so I can in theory go back and get it any time I like - just need to keep an eye on tide times and remember to wear wellies. Today was a perfect opportunity though, as it was clearly a very low tide (it doesn't always go out that far).
I see that the lovely OS maps on VeloViewer have been replaced with something called 'OS Light'. I am not impressed!There are 2 options, os light and os something else
There are details on the VV Facebook page that Idon't fully understandneed to read again.
There are 2 options, os light and os something else
I assumed we were all pros here. Tiling is no place for amateurs.
Could be to do with your browser privacy settings, perhaps? I had a pop-up window to ask if I was happy to share my details with OS, which is a requirement of being able to see the OS Leisure maps, according to the Facebook post.
I read the post on Facebook and I don't really understand it either. I mean, I get that the OS maps are now restricted but I didn't really understand the bit about layering with Google maps.I think that is just the technical explanation for why the OS leisure maps are available on some VV things but not others, because they use different mapping?
Where is the Activties List page ???Comme ca:
There is a tile explorer IQ app I have on my garmin. It means you don’t have to go too far down dead ends before turning.
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The stupid thing had an eppy about halfway round today’s ride, which meant I lost half a dozen tiles I’d bagged up to that point. ...
I do hope it wasn’t the fault of everytile after my recommendation.
FUCKING USELESS PIECE OF SHIT GARMIN!I have no qualms about using the GOTOES utilities to convert my GPX route into one with timestamps, and then upload it as a private ride (so you don't claim KOMs etc), in such circumstances. Very useful too if your recording had a GPS drift, but you checked that you were in the tile on your phone.
The stupid thing had an eppy about halfway round today’s ride, which meant I lost half a dozen tiles I’d bagged up to that point. I wouldn’t mind so much but it was a tough route, very lumpy with some dreadful road surfaces, so I’m not relishing going out and doing it all over again.
Fortunately, it behaved for the rest of the ride so I have at least secured a couple of really tricky tiles I was after - they were grim ones, involving riding on busy main roads and crossing motorway junctions. Ugh! Very glad I won’t have to do those again.
Suffering a bout of cramp and several punctures in the final 30km didn’t improve my mood at all.
I suspect the everytile app could be the cause of the problems - it was misbehaving even before I set off and it took lots of faffing about to even upload the route to the device. I’ll uninstall it and see if it behaves better on my next outing.
Any one else having problems with the explorer android app recently?
I've been using the app to output tiles for OSMand, but recently the app just crashes out when I click on the "Select OSMand Folder" button.
I've contacted the developer, but just wondered if it was just me having this issue.
[MAP] Explorer tiles has been recreated!
[MAP] All rides has been saved!
Error during creating rides file.Cycling through each in turn, endlessly until I force-close the app. After that, I reopen it and it seems to have updated fine.
GPS should be accurate to 3m or so.FUCKING USELESS PIECE OF SHIT GARMIN!I have no qualms about using the GOTOES utilities to convert my GPX route into one with timestamps, and then upload it as a private ride (so you don't claim KOMs etc), in such circumstances. Very useful too if your recording had a GPS drift, but you checked that you were in the tile on your phone.
The stupid thing had an eppy about halfway round today’s ride, which meant I lost half a dozen tiles I’d bagged up to that point. I wouldn’t mind so much but it was a tough route, very lumpy with some dreadful road surfaces, so I’m not relishing going out and doing it all over again.
Fortunately, it behaved for the rest of the ride so I have at least secured a couple of really tricky tiles I was after - they were grim ones, involving riding on busy main roads and crossing motorway junctions. Ugh! Very glad I won’t have to do those again.
Suffering a bout of cramp and several punctures in the final 30km didn’t improve my mood at all.
I suspect the everytile app could be the cause of the problems - it was misbehaving even before I set off and it took lots of faffing about to even upload the route to the device. I’ll uninstall it and see if it behaves better on my next outing.
I get some interference between the Wahoo and the front camera, which can cause quite significant drifts at times.GPS should be accurate to 3m or so.FUCKING USELESS PIECE OF SHIT GARMIN!I have no qualms about using the GOTOES utilities to convert my GPX route into one with timestamps, and then upload it as a private ride (so you don't claim KOMs etc), in such circumstances. Very useful too if your recording had a GPS drift, but you checked that you were in the tile on your phone.
The stupid thing had an eppy about halfway round today’s ride, which meant I lost half a dozen tiles I’d bagged up to that point. I wouldn’t mind so much but it was a tough route, very lumpy with some dreadful road surfaces, so I’m not relishing going out and doing it all over again.
Fortunately, it behaved for the rest of the ride so I have at least secured a couple of really tricky tiles I was after - they were grim ones, involving riding on busy main roads and crossing motorway junctions. Ugh! Very glad I won’t have to do those again.
Suffering a bout of cramp and several punctures in the final 30km didn’t improve my mood at all.
I suspect the everytile app could be the cause of the problems - it was misbehaving even before I set off and it took lots of faffing about to even upload the route to the device. I’ll uninstall it and see if it behaves better on my next outing.
If you are sampling frequently though your position might always be accurate to 3m your distance travelled could accumulate large amounts of error, but this won’t affect tile gathering.
I have certainly found with footpaths and bridleways often reality is out of sync with the maps by much more than this amount - tens of metres if not more.
Using the everytile app I can see immediately whether my recorded position is within a particular tile. I think this preferable to reverting to using the planned route to claim the tiles where it deviated from the recorded route.
That is bizarre. Normally it is the radio wave bouncing off something taking a slightly longer route from one of the satellites to the gps and thereby throwing calculations off. I can see how a camera might be radiating causing interference meaning you lose signal but it should be short lived. I have only really noticed problems in cities with tall buildings tricking me into thinking I am running a pb as I my watch thinks i am jumping about like a prawn in a frying pan.I get some interference between the Wahoo and the front camera, which can cause quite significant drifts at times.GPS should be accurate to 3m or so.FUCKING USELESS PIECE OF SHIT GARMIN!I have no qualms about using the GOTOES utilities to convert my GPX route into one with timestamps, and then upload it as a private ride (so you don't claim KOMs etc), in such circumstances. Very useful too if your recording had a GPS drift, but you checked that you were in the tile on your phone.
The stupid thing had an eppy about halfway round today’s ride, which meant I lost half a dozen tiles I’d bagged up to that point. I wouldn’t mind so much but it was a tough route, very lumpy with some dreadful road surfaces, so I’m not relishing going out and doing it all over again.
Fortunately, it behaved for the rest of the ride so I have at least secured a couple of really tricky tiles I was after - they were grim ones, involving riding on busy main roads and crossing motorway junctions. Ugh! Very glad I won’t have to do those again.
Suffering a bout of cramp and several punctures in the final 30km didn’t improve my mood at all.
I suspect the everytile app could be the cause of the problems - it was misbehaving even before I set off and it took lots of faffing about to even upload the route to the device. I’ll uninstall it and see if it behaves better on my next outing.
If you are sampling frequently though your position might always be accurate to 3m your distance travelled could accumulate large amounts of error, but this won’t affect tile gathering.
I have certainly found with footpaths and bridleways often reality is out of sync with the maps by much more than this amount - tens of metres if not more.
Using the everytile app I can see immediately whether my recorded position is within a particular tile. I think this preferable to reverting to using the planned route to claim the tiles where it deviated from the recorded route.
Is it android 10 thats causing issues, [...]
Probably best to record the track on the same device you are using to check whether you have crossed a tile boundary. I use the garmin for both. Had you been recording on say strava app on your phone and checking tile crossing on the phone tile app I suspect all would be good.
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So damn close. I even checked on my phone with the explorer app.
Even so, a 52km ride, bought me upto:
10887 tiles
Max square 24x24
Max Cluster: 1337
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So damn close. I even checked on my phone with the explorer app.
Hm, fboab has me wondering what's more feasible, filling in the Midland Valley or joining the 7 cities
Probably best to record the track on the same device you are using to check whether you have crossed a tile boundary. I use the garmin for both. Had you been recording on say strava app on your phone and checking tile crossing on the phone tile app I suspect all would be good.
Hm, fboab has me wondering what's more feasible, filling in the Midland Valley or joining the 7 cities
I filled in the gap between Cupar, Balmullo and Strathkinness today, meaning my cluster has reached St Andrews and Tayport.
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One of my projects is to move the cluster Westwards from Loch Venachar to Arrochar. To do this I need to
1) Ride the Great Trossachs trail from Kilmahog to Inversnaid + the S side of Loch Katrine.
2) Climb Ben Venue and Beinn a'Choin
3) SUP the south side of Loch Arklet.
4) Do what looks like a short and simple ride to link Inversnaid and Arrochar
Reaching the West Coast by doing the Central Belt through Glasgow is probably a lot easier, but a lot less fun.
So damn close. I even checked on my phone with the explorer app.Admit it, you missed that tile on purpose to get that number (https://www.google.com/search?q=1337) ;D (linked for people lacking the nerd gene)
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Max Cluster: 1337
Hmmm, using the heatmap to see how other people have got a particular tile, I find the following strava activity:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1343732799
Same user. Same line straight through a difficult to get tile, in the same area. Looking at the tile map for the user in question, their square includes these tiles, and these are the only two rides in those tiles.
Something doesn't quite add up here.
Have reported it.
Have reported it.
Harsh.
But fair. ;D
Have reported it.
Harsh.
But fair. ;D
Given the rest of us carried bikes across muddy fields and climbed over fences to bag the tiles. It's taking the piss for him to cheat like this
J
And he's hardly among the local top riders.
That's excellent. How do I do it?Hmmm, using the heatmap to see how other people have got a particular tile, I find the following strava activity:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1343732799
Same user. Same line straight through a difficult to get tile, in the same area. Looking at the tile map for the user in question, their square includes these tiles, and these are the only two rides in those tiles.
Something doesn't quite add up here.
Well, using the ride every tile heat map to see how others had found a particular tile, I noticed someone had done the straight line trick with the gps "error" to bag the tile.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1280468490
And guess who it is... yep, same person. That's now three rides where he's used a gps error to bag otherwise hard to access tiles. Have reported it.
J
Hmmm, using the heatmap to see how other people have got a particular tile, I find the following strava activity:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1343732799
Same user. Same line straight through a difficult to get tile, in the same area. Looking at the tile map for the user in question, their square includes these tiles, and these are the only two rides in those tiles.
Something doesn't quite add up here.
Well, using the ride every tile heat map to see how others had found a particular tile, I noticed someone had done the straight line trick with the gps "error" to bag the tile.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1280468490
And guess who it is... yep, same person. That's now three rides where he's used a gps error to bag otherwise hard to access tiles. Have reported it.
J
It isn't really a gps error - he is taking advantage of a quirk(?) of VeloViewer.
Have reported it.
Harsh.
But fair. ;D
Given the rest of us carried bikes across muddy fields and climbed over fences to bag the tiles. It's taking the piss for him to cheat like this
J
Well, using the ride every tile heat map to see how others had found a particular tile, I noticed someone had done the straight line trick with the gps "error" to bag the tile.Dear me. How sad and pathetic are some folk who feel they have to cheat at something like this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/1280468490
And guess who it is... yep, same person. That's now three rides where he's used a gps error to bag otherwise hard to access tiles. Have reported it.
J
It isn't really a gps error - he is taking advantage of a quirk(?) of VeloViewer.I recall there being an issue with straight line tracks that Ben fixed some years back. It may have been the opposite problem though. Folk riding very straight roads looked like a GPS error. Not something that tends to happen in Europe a lot. But in North America...
There is still a discrepancy between the tiles bagged if you look at a ride in VV on its own:
It looks like Ben still needs to sort this.
Dear me. How sad and pathetic are some folk who feel they have to cheat at something like this?
I'm with andyoxon on this, in that it doesn't matter to me whether they cheat or not, but it really is a bit pathetic.However if you do cheat, then you should be removed from leaderboards/disqualified. Because you didn't earn it.
I'm with andyoxon on this, in that it doesn't matter to me whether they cheat or not, but it really is a bit pathetic.However if you do cheat, then you should be removed from leaderboards/disqualified. Because you didn't earn it.
If required, as an antidote to leaderboards, just spend some time looking at JF's 101x101 max square (https://veloviewer.com/athletes/2151491/summary)/ cluster, or similar effort. ;)I see that as a incentive. ;D I was 11th in 2019 but not being able to ride for 18 months dropped me a long way down board.
Interesting seeing Jonathan F's tilebagging adventures round my way - kind of reassuring to see that even he has run up against his limits with the Medway estuary.
Also provides useful ideas for bagging some of the other tricky tiles round here, eg down on Romney Marsh.
The ride every tile heatmap is very useful for working out how to do a specific tile. It's what I use to see what others have done... And find cheats by mistake...
A big part of the challenge for me is working out how to get a tile and creating a route to nab as many tiles as possible with the least riding and preferably no doubling back.
If I simply follow someone else's route, then there's not much challenge for me then.
Last time I checked, with quite a few of the more challenging tiles I was the only person to have ticked them off.
Last time I checked, with quite a few of the more challenging tiles I was the only person to have ticked them off.
I can think of a few tiles where I know for a fact more people have visited than they think, so presumably their data is incomplete and/or out of date.
They only map data from those who are in the Strava Ride Every Tile Club AND make their profile public. That cuts out a lot of people.
Interesting seeing Jonathan F's tilebagging adventures round my way - kind of reassuring to see that even he has run up against his limits with the Medway estuary.Just wait until our boy gets himself a sea kayak... also I get a bit infuriated looking at the Isle of Wight, because he could take a short swim from Norton and add the whole thing to his max cluster!
Also provides useful ideas for bagging some of the other tricky tiles round here, eg down on Romney Marsh.
Just wait until our boy gets himself a sea kayak... also I get a bit infuriated looking at the Isle of Wight, because he could take a short swim from Norton and add the whole thing to his max cluster!I took up kayaking again because I knew the Humber Estuary would become an issue. Was hoping to get a sea kayak and start ticking these off last year, but...
The tile down this path has not see many visitors, the rope handrail is covered in lichen.(https://i.imgur.com/XXaqo42.jpg)Not come across a rope to help you along a path yet. Would have been handy in a few locations it has to be said.
Today was brutally hard. It started so easily, 50km of beautiful tail winds, bagging tiles, really enjoying myself... Then the off road happened.Sounds like a fun day out. :o
....<SNIP>.....
Bagged 30 new tiles, increased my cluster by 54. And I now have 8 overlapping 24x24 squares. And... I learned a lot.
Fortunately there aren't many tiles left that require off roading. So hopefully I won't have to go through this again.
Hopefully.
Interesting seeing Jonathan F's tilebagging adventures round my way - kind of reassuring to see that even he has run up against his limits with the Medway estuary.We follow each other on Strava. I had managed to get a tile out on the Hoo Peninsula that he hadn't. Within a couple of days he had done an epic long ride down here to pick it up. Very impressive.
Also provides useful ideas for bagging some of the other tricky tiles round here, eg down on Romney Marsh.
And the ride on strava if you're curious. https://www.strava.com/activities/5341000184
J
I took a day off on Thursday to do a long ride and capture some distant tiles. Very pleased to go up from 24x24 to 27x27 in one ride. Nothing really tricky on this one but I did end up with a bit of comedy offroading. I am hoping to finish all of Kent by the end of the year.
Today was brutally hard. It started so easily, 50km of beautiful tail winds, bagging tiles, really enjoying myself... Then the off road happened.That elevation chart tells the story of the weather I guess...
In total I had 10km of crazy off road shit. It started with a 1.4km hike a bike through chest high vegetation on a path that clearly hadn't been used for a while... At the end of which, the water level had over topped the path, and if there was any hope left of dry feet, it disappeared at this point. Tho I was already soaked upto about waist level from the wet vegetation.
Then began the next 4.3km of slow laborious off road. The "path" was off camber to one side, and made of grass and mud. My GP5K tyres are not really suited to this terrain, which made it even harder than it needed to be. This really made my arms hurt from the amount of effort needed on the handlebars just to keep from falling. I lost the rear end a few times. And if My drive train wasn't dirty enough already... it acquired it's self a shrubbery...
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After this sector I mercifully got some tarmac, which was heavenly. Then I got to the next off road section. This was 4.3km in length, and started off relatively rideable. But by the final km or so, I had the mother of all bonks, and it became a trial just to keep going. I ended up getting off and pushing. When I eventually got to the end of that sector, I had planned to find some dry ground, sit down, and have something to eat. Exiting the woods, the rain started. So that plan went out the window. I donned a waterproof, and headed to about 1km to where I knew there was a bus shelter, and sat out of the rain, and had a handful of M&Ms.
I was pretty messed up at this point. I had a drink. I had some food, but I was also getting cold, so only one thing for it, Get on the bike. I decided to not try my luck with the next off road section, tho it looked from the bit I could see, like it may have a reasonable surface. I'll come back for that.
At the 70km mark, I called a friend. "I'm fucked. Help". She spent the next hour and a half, talking to me, and guiding me through, as we modified my route on the fly to just get me to a station, as easily as possible. I am very grateful of this, it really helped. I had to stop a few more times to top up the M&M inputs. I realised around this point that I was starting to dehydrate. I had started with 1L of water, and with 20km to go, was down to my last emergency mouthful. Not good. Fortunately at the 90km mark I found a water tap, for which I was exceedingly grateful. This, and a few more M&M's was enough to get me to the finish. After crossing the Rijn-Kanaal, I just took the most direct route to the station, avoiding any faff for tiles. Just needing to get home.
In the end the ride was 100.6km in length, with 10km of it offroad.
Bagged 30 new tiles, increased my cluster by 54. And I now have 8 overlapping 24x24 squares. And... I learned a lot.
Fortunately there aren't many tiles left that require off roading. So hopefully I won't have to go through this again.
Hopefully.
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And the ride on strava if you're curious. https://www.strava.com/activities/5341000184
J
Some good clusterage the weekend - never mind Sunderland, I've completed Carlisle (the Sunderland of the west), and linked it to my main cluster not once, but twice. Across the Tyne Gap and up the Eden Valley.
Plus I knocked off a bunch of extra tiles down the Furness peninsula, my cluster is now 6093.
And all the talk of leaderboards prompted me to check, I'm 53rd for clusterage. Everyone around me seems to be in the Netherlands.
Guessing Italian origin maybe.
It looks like statshunter is more accurate by default - it shows a couple of tiles that I didn't really get but VV sampling error gave me.It’s a bit complicated... by default both VV and Statshunter use the “summary” polylines from Strava API but each have their own way of letting you request the detailed lines if you need them.
Best go get them properly I suppose...
Got a couple of tiles with a walk last night, if I can be arsed exploring either Pitmedden or Methil* tomorrow I can expand my square.Is the tile at the end of Methil Pier doable?
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It looks like statshunter is more accurate by default - it shows a couple of tiles that I didn't really get but VV sampling error gave me.
Best go get them properly I suppose...
You have to update the precision on statshunter like you do on veloviewer.It looks like statshunter is more accurate by default - it shows a couple of tiles that I didn't really get but VV sampling error gave me.
Best go get them properly I suppose...
It's more complicated than this. There are a couple of tiles that I definitely visited (road/bicycle path just dips into a tile), but statshunter doesn't recognize it as such. I've decided that I'm sticking to whatever Veloviewer counts as a tile visited. The errors will probably even out.
It's finally done.
I had to use the shopper as the bling bike is having its sealant replaced and by all accounts, it's not going well.
103 new tiles. The wrong tyres. A great deal of Tesco Value County of Lincolnshire (Kim). Cluster increase 1140 :D
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Success!
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The end of our street (https://flic.kr/p/2m26LPH) by citoyen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/103760266@N08/), on Flickr
I love the way you made sure you'd got that. No sneaking over the line, that's a genuine 'into the tile' bit of exploring
On Friday I did a DIY 200, from Amsterdam to Roermond. I followed a previous ride's route but one tile over. I'll do something similar again in a few weeks, but one tile over again. This should get me a 3 tile wide strip all the way from Noord Holland, to Limburg. If I do it properly. Meaning my cluster will reach all the way to the hills.
J
I’ll offer you a cup of tea next time if the rules allow it!
On Friday I did a DIY 200, from Amsterdam to Roermond. I followed a previous ride's route but one tile over. I'll do something similar again in a few weeks, but one tile over again. This should get me a 3 tile wide strip all the way from Noord Holland, to Limburg. If I do it properly. Meaning my cluster will reach all the way to the hills.
J
I’ll offer you a cup of tea next time if the rules allow it!
I’ll offer you a cup of tea next time if the rules allow it!
I'm looking forward to when I can cross that border again. I need some good cake... and to finally take you up on your kind offers.
J
You can now, for a maximum of 12 hours. There's an exception in the quarantaine law if you stay less than 12 hours in the high risk area (Dutch rules). The German RKI ruled that the Netherlands isn't a high risk area anymore so you may enter Germany for a maximum of 24 hours without testing.
Once the RIVM deems Germany safe again (which they should have done already since the amount of German Covid cases per capita is about 1/4 of the Dutch) you can visit Germany for up to 24 hours without testing.
Nope, we are now open again in a lot of Nordrhein-Westfalen, so sitting outside and eating is fine (assuming the cafes are still in existence!)But the people I want to visit have not yet been fully vaxxed, and aren't Germany requiring proof of vax to access things like cafes?
You can now, for a maximum of 12 hours. There's an exception in the quarantaine law if you stay less than 12 hours in the high risk area (Dutch rules). The German RKI ruled that the Netherlands isn't a high risk area anymore so you may enter Germany for a maximum of 24 hours without testing.
Once the RIVM deems Germany safe again (which they should have done already since the amount of German Covid cases per capita is about 1/4 of the Dutch) you can visit Germany for up to 24 hours without testing.
J
That's what I prefer as well, multiple parallel rides and not zigzagging around.Zigzagging is often the only option in many places. It gets tricky working out efficient routes at times.
You can end up visiting some unusual places, an old open cast mine returning to nature. The mine is a loch now.There's loads of old mining towns around these parts. Only evidence is obligatory half winding wheels at side of road and loads of pretty country parks that used to be polluting pits.
I have an isolated group of tiles (in SW Scotland). Is there a way to get the VV metrics (tiles, max square, cluster) of this isolated group ? It would give a measure of achievement on a forthcoming visit. Thanks.You can filter the rides by activity ID, but that'll only give you a visual I think, so some counting would be involved.
I have an isolated group of tiles (in SW Scotland). Is there a way to get the VV metrics (tiles, max square, cluster) of this isolated group ? It would give a measure of achievement on a forthcoming visit. Thanks.You can filter by date if you did them in one go. I do that with my European/North American totals.
I have an isolated group of tiles (in SW Scotland). Is there a way to get the VV metrics (tiles, max square, cluster) of this isolated group ? It would give a measure of achievement on a forthcoming visit. Thanks.You can filter by date if you did them in one go. I do that with my European/North American totals.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51224709404_90d52a147c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m3y2sU)Kirkcudbright Tiles (https://flic.kr/p/2m3y2sU) by rfwatson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/23849319@N07/), on Flickr
Tiles = 301
Max square = 6
Cluster = 76
Robert
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Tiles = 301
Max square = 6
Cluster = 76
Robert
I'm going to that precise area of Galloway for the weekend. My first visit, and will only be on foot, so not many tiles expected.
Hope you enjoy
Today I spent 10km rising gravel, and pushing my bike through deep sand. Looking at how others to the same tile, i had a look on the ride every tile site. One of the random 5 rides it picks is this one:
https://www.strava.com/activities/730779698
I assume that you are complaining about the tiles on the straight line between Groenendaal and Hoenderloo.
I'm not convinced that it is 'cheating'. It looks like the guy had a problem with his iPhone which is why he switched to Android for the last bit of his ride.
It also looks like Ben has updated the site so that the tiles obtained match whether you look at the ride itself or the activities tab filtered to the ride. :thumbsup: Looking at the guy's activity tab there are still three tiles that the straight line goes through that he is not being given credit for so I reckon that the problem is that the RideEveryTile.com heatmap needs updating.
Can you be a bit more specific? I don't see anything particularly dodgy about that ride.
[I also spend my day with some comedy off-roading to capture the last two tiles in Drenthe (that's a province in the Netherlands, the one were I lived the first 18 years of my life). No regrets there, a beautiful piece of moorland where I enjoyed many walks with my dad as a kid. Tomorrow's ride should increase the square from 44x44 to 47x47.]
I now see it. Where I live, there are many, many long straight roads. Therefore I didn't catch this anomaly...
I now see it. Where I live, there are many, many long straight roads. Therefore I didn't catch this anomaly...
https://www.strava.com/activities/5447973813
I experienced some of those on Thursday...
J
I now see it. Where I live, there are many, many long straight roads. Therefore I didn't catch this anomaly...
https://www.strava.com/activities/5447973813
I experienced some of those on Thursday...
J
I assume that you are complaining about the tiles on the straight line between Groenendaal and Hoenderloo.
I'm not convinced that it is 'cheating'. It looks like the guy had a problem with his iPhone which is why he switched to Android for the last bit of his ride.
It also looks like Ben has updated the site so that the tiles obtained match whether you look at the ride itself or the activities tab filtered to the ride. :thumbsup: Looking at the guy's activity tab there are still three tiles that the straight line goes through that he is not being given credit for so I reckon that the problem is that the RideEveryTile.com heatmap needs updating.
That's cos Ben fixed it for me within a few minutes of me emailing.
J
I've also removed this ride from contributing to the RET.com heatmap. If and when this ride gets re-imported to RET, it should be with correct tiles.You may also want to take a look at tile 8377x5414 (Maasvlakte in Rotterdam); as far as I can tell everyone who bagged that tile did so by using the ferry. I don't think it's possible to walk/cycle into that tile and that harbour is for the truly gigantic container and oil transporters, so using a kayak will likely earn you a Darwin Award ;D
I've also removed this ride from contributing to the RET.com heatmap. If and when this ride gets re-imported to RET, it should be with correct tiles.You may also want to take a look at tile 8377x5414 (Maasvlakte in Rotterdam); as far as I can tell everyone who bagged that tile did so by using the ferry. I don't think it's possible to walk/cycle into that tile and that harbour is for the truly gigantic container and oil transporters, so using a kayak will likely earn you a Darwin Award ;D
I've also removed this ride from contributing to the RET.com heatmap. If and when this ride gets re-imported to RET, it should be with correct tiles.You may also want to take a look at tile 8377x5414 (Maasvlakte in Rotterdam); as far as I can tell everyone who bagged that tile did so by using the ferry. I don't think it's possible to walk/cycle into that tile and that harbour is for the truly gigantic container and oil transporters, so using a kayak will likely earn you a Darwin Award ;D
I noticed that one as well ... Quite a few have got it via the ferry...
J
For my upcoming holiday ride I'm considering this as well. I'll have to cross the Elbe, if I do this at Glückstadt it's a short ferry ride and I'm not bothered to cut it out. If I go via Brunsbüttel, it's about an hour, which is far too long for my taste to keep in the log.
I think there may be a ferry or two in Scotland if you walked onto its furthest end before it left the dock that you could 100% legitimitely bag a new tileFor my upcoming holiday ride I'm considering this as well. I'll have to cross the Elbe, if I do this at Glückstadt it's a short ferry ride and I'm not bothered to cut it out. If I go via Brunsbüttel, it's about an hour, which is far too long for my taste to keep in the log.
I have wondered if you walk around and around on the ferry, whether that counts...
J
Yes, I’ve done the update. And it’s still there on a different device, so not local caching either.
I noticed that one as well ... Quite a few have got it via the ferry...Would it count if you were on a turbo trainer for the whole time? ;D
J
I noticed that one as well ... Quite a few have got it via the ferry...Would it count if you were on a turbo trainer for the whole time? ;D
J
Though my view is no, because you are not propelling yourself.
Any know reason why VV does not include activities classed as Walking but does include Runs?
Any know reason why VV does not include activities classed as Walking but does include Runs?
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Thanks. I had not noticed those settingsAny know reason why VV does not include activities classed as Walking but does include Runs?
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In VV:
Updates tab
Show Options
Make sure Walks box is ticked
Any know reason why VV does not include activities classed as Walking but does include Runs?
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In VV:
Updates tab
Show Options
Make sure Walks box is ticked
Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???
1390/3334 = 41.7%Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???
I'm surprised to see that mine is 15.2%. Being stuck unable to head out very far for the last year, it's gone up a lot. Hopefully if I can complete Ruska in September, it will swing back the other way...
The other interesting metric: do you live in your max square?
J
Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???12.3% with max square 29x29. Lots of audax rides all over the place so I guess I an an explorer. Only concentrated on adding tiles and enlarging max square since the first lock down.
18,9%, higher as expectedThe longest distance in my cluster is Uplyme-Bicester, 180 km.
Tiles 36002
Cluster 6825
Square 41x41
another thing which is measured on a Dutch forum is your longest distance within your cluster.
For me that's Marquain - Zwolle, 327km
Not for me. You need to physically propel yourself into a square for it to count. That's the whole point of the challenge. Otherwise you could fake entry to any awkward tile.I noticed that one as well ... Quite a few have got it via the ferry...Would it count if you were on a turbo trainer for the whole time? ;D
J
Though my view is no, because you are not propelling yourself.
You could set up a virtual ride on the route of the ferry crossing (you can do this on the Bkool app), then try to match your virtual speed as you ride it to the actual speed of the ferry.
I think that would have to count.
another thing which is measured on a Dutch forum is your longest distance within your cluster.How do you measure it? By road? Google makes mine 522km driving 551km cycling or 489km walking ("This route includes a ferry").
For me that's Marquain - Zwolle, 327km
Looks like walking - I went with as the crow flies. If you do walking, mine is 202 km.another thing which is measured on a Dutch forum is your longest distance within your cluster.How do you measure it? By road? Google makes mine 522km driving 551km cycling or 489km walking ("This route includes a ferry").
For me that's Marquain - Zwolle, 327km
10286 tiles(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210618/feb3fd94ed3cb54ab6cc985b898b0846.jpg)Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???12.3% with max square 29x29. Lots of audax rides all over the place so I guess I an an explorer. Only concentrated on adding tiles and enlarging max square since the first lock down.
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29.9%, but I've only had a GPS the last six years or so, it would be way lower if I had traces of all my riding.
29.9%, but I've only had a GPS the last six years or so, it would be way lower if I had traces of all my riding.
Isn't that true for everyone? I've got gaps in East Anglia and in France & Luxembourg from the pre-gps days.
Moving house does help quite a lot.
29.9%, but I've only had a GPS the last six years or so, it would be way lower if I had traces of all my riding.
Isn't that true for everyone? I've got gaps in East Anglia and in France & Luxembourg from the pre-gps days.
another thing which is measured on a Dutch forum is your longest distance within your cluster.How do you measure it? By road? Google makes mine 522km driving 551km cycling or 489km walking ("This route includes a ferry").
For me that's Marquain - Zwolle, 327km
29.9%, but I've only had a GPS the last six years or so, it would be way lower if I had traces of all my riding.
Isn't that true for everyone? I've got gaps in East Anglia and in France & Luxembourg from the pre-gps days.
Sure, but I was thinking of a particular trip to Nepal.
*Thinks of all the squares*
*Sighs*
And Ronnie makes the point well - it's more a metric of how early an adopter you were, than of how much of an "explorer" you are.
And Ronnie makes the point well - it's more a metric of how early an adopter you were, than of how much of an "explorer" you are.Not necessarily. You still need to have ridden and explored a fair bit to tick off tiles regardless of when you started. Plus collecting tiles now is way easier than it was even just last year back due to much better mapping tools, apps etc. Not to mention, being able to see how other folk previously got to difficult places via heatmaps.
Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???Percentage will also greatly depend on where you live or how focused [anal ;D] your tiling is. Mine is 77% and I'm aiming for a higher percentage. But my cluster is deliberately square shaped and edges are a fair way from home now now I've filled all the holes. Re crap areas, Doncaster is the only area I thought I'm definitely not coming back here again to cycle.
GPSies can create gpx files that Strava will accept.Done one as a trial (https://www.strava.com/activities/5495228351). I don't have GPSies so I created the ride in cycle.travel & time shifted it using gotoes.org which is rather clever. I've entered my recorded average & it's used that and the altitude c.t provided to set my speed. That's better than using a flat average and should avoid any inappropriate uphill segments. It's a typical lunch time ride from back when I worked on Manor Royal. It doesn't add any tiles, I'll see if it gets flagged and what the general opinion is. It would be one hell of a job to do all I have logged from this way from 2000-2010
As for a cut-off date, doesn't VeloViewer do that already with annual stats and arbitrary filtering?There's leaderboards for each year, but also for all time. Don't think there's a cut off for that. Other than before strava existed.
As for a cut-off date, doesn't VeloViewer do that already with annual stats and arbitrary filtering?There's leaderboards for each year, but also for all time. Don't think there's a cut off for that. Other than before strava existed.
GPSies can create gpx files that Strava will accept.
It wouldn't feel right though. Not sure I can bring myself to go through with it.
Any know reason why VV does not include activities classed as Walking but does include Runs?Similar question of strava why cant I log distance in shoes when walking or hiking but can when running (I am according to strava a very slow runner)
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It wouldn't feel right though. Not sure I can bring myself to go through with it.
Why? You know you did the ride and you can put something in the ride description so you'd know later it was a recreation.
I'm not asking to criticise, I'm contemplating the same moral dilemma (10 years worth of rides in my case). As Kim says I'd only be cheating myself, which I wouldn't do. I know I did the rides. So why does it feel wrong?
Having made a dozen or so of my old rides in cycle.travel I'm erring on the side of it's not wrong and I should get stuck in. It's been a trip down memory lane reading my old notes & poring over the OS of my old stomping ground to make sense of them.
...
(I am according to strava a very slow runner)
I guess one of the problems with using cluster for an exploration metric is its much easier to build cluster where the road/track/footpath network is quite dense, to get mine much further north is going to need a fair bit of mtb and hiking, where as to move it south is fairly easy.Can I introduce you to Deano?
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I guess one of the problems with using cluster for an exploration metric is its much easier to build cluster where the road/track/footpath network is quite dense, to get mine much further north is going to need a fair bit of mtb and hiking, where as to move it south is fairly easy.I live in Sheffield, so tiling the Peak District is very slow going and very challenging to ride at times. Also you need a good spell of dry weather so as not to damage some trails/be able to ride them.
I was speaking more generally. There will only be a few folk uploading rides to Strava from before Stava existedAs for a cut-off date, doesn't VeloViewer do that already with annual stats and arbitrary filtering?There's leaderboards for each year, but also for all time. Don't think there's a cut off for that. Other than before strava existed.
I don't think that's a limitation. I've got rides from 2007 logged.
Well, it got flagged but not for any 'oooh that looks like a faked file' reasons, simply because the gotoes.org (https://gotoes.org/strava/Add_Timestamps_To_GPX.php) tool doesn't weight uphill vs downhill nearly heavily enough.
I mean I clocked off a fair whack of Fife tiles without even knowing about tiles, north of Dundee I've just got the odd northwards line through a parent nothingness.I guess one of the problems with using cluster for an exploration metric is its much easier to build cluster where the road/track/footpath network is quite dense, to get mine much further north is going to need a fair bit of mtb and hiking, where as to move it south is fairly easy.Can I introduce you to Deano?
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We all have challenges. Some people just take a bivvy and hike over every hill in the Dales with their bikes.
GPSies can create gpx files that Strava will accept.
Long-term thinking is starting to reap dividends, clusterage is up to 6341.Looks like our clusters are now meeting up as top of my cluster moves above line of the Humber Estuary. I suspect/hope our squares may overlap too at some point.
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What Explorer has contributed to my riding is an intentionality to finding places I've never been before and the rewards of this have been wonderful.
Although I wish I had the time I did LEJOG shown, I'm not going back to recreate it manually. Perhaps I'll ride it again but with more pub stops next time.
What Explorer has contributed to my riding is an intentionality to finding places I've never been before and the rewards of this have been wonderful.
I've always had a thing about 'new roads' and never understood people who manage the same route every month of the year. VV just gives me a clearer picture of where those new 'roads' are.
Are you an Explorer or stay at home person, easy way to check. Cluster as a percentage of total. I will start 2187 cluster is 7.35% of total, lower the better. For some of us Max Square involves cycling into lots of crap areas ???
On a visit to family in SW Scotland last week I managed to get some rides in to fill in some holes in my very modest collection of tiles . Still plenty to do on future visits.
All of these things!What Explorer has contributed to my riding is an intentionality to finding places I've never been before and the rewards of this have been wonderful.
This ^^
It also gets me out of the rut of riding the same routes over and over and on days when I can't think of where to go, it gives me a destination.
I also quite like the geeky completeness of filling in the gaps, it's very satisfying.
All of these things!What Explorer has contributed to my riding is an intentionality to finding places I've never been before and the rewards of this have been wonderful.
This ^^
It also gets me out of the rut of riding the same routes over and over and on days when I can't think of where to go, it gives me a destination.
I also quite like the geeky completeness of filling in the gaps, it's very satisfying.
...... Although I wish I had the time I did LEJOG shown.......I did LEJOG in 1983 (as part of an organised trip) and I still have printed copies of each day's route maps and instructions. I could create some GPX files and use GOTOES to upload them to Strava. But should I? The resulting filled-in tiles would link together a few areas which are currently separated in my post-2013 Strava uploads. (Of course there are hundreds of other rides I did between 1962 and 2013 that will never get logged, because I don't know the exact routes any more.)
I did LEJOG in 1983 (as part of an organised trip) and I still have printed copies of each day's route maps and instructions. I could create some GPX files and use GOTOES to upload them to Strava. But should I?If it would bring a smile to your face when you look at your vv map then my opinion is yes you should.
Yep, for instance, I recreated my year 8 coastal walk (2012), and put it on Strava. Of course it wasn't actually logged, but the route was effectively "follow the coast path". There's also the Rempstone ride I did in that era, which still is the sole ride passing through a tile in the middle of Purbeck...I did LEJOG in 1983 (as part of an organised trip) and I still have printed copies of each day's route maps and instructions. I could create some GPX files and use GOTOES to upload them to Strava. But should I?If it would bring a smile to your face when you look at your vv map then my opinion is yes you should.
If it would annoy you that the trip was recorded on paper, manually rather than automagically by a gadget then no I would think.
Not everybody. I'm not.
I could easily recreate audaii from 2009 / 2010 / 2011 / 2012 in the pre-GPS era, including a PBP and a fine French 300, as well as all the other qualifying rides that year. And there are some Semaines Federales. I've walked the 3 peaks without a tracklog, too. Do I go back to childhood walks and tours? I have journals I kept then.
It wouldn't make me smile- I would feel it was cheating.
It wouldn't make me smile- I would feel it was cheating.
Sounds like a lot of work.I my case that's easy, the tech has basically always been available ;D
It would feel a bit cheat-y, I reckon. But maybe if I was housebound for a few months I might refer back to my old diaries and photos to try to recreate old rides. What about going back to when the tech was available, or available to you? Suppose I could have spent a few years recording my tracks on my phone.
But nah, too much time in front of a computer for me.
Since everyone else seems to be at it, I'm starting to think I should dig out my old brevet cards and add some pre-GPS rides - could very handily fill in a few West Kent tiles...
Sounds like a lot of work.I my case that's easy, the tech has basically always been available ;D
It would feel a bit cheat-y, I reckon. But maybe if I was housebound for a few months I might refer back to my old diaries and photos to try to recreate old rides. What about going back to when the tech was available, or available to you? Suppose I could have spent a few years recording my tracks on my phone.
But nah, too much time in front of a computer for me.
Strava? Luxury! You know, when we were kids we had to run a bit of string around a road map to work out or mileage.
(My dad actually did this, his mate memorised all the distances between local GPOs and worked out his mileage from that)
And with the ACH 200 next week passing through a few more tiles I need in SE London, that should finally link up my Kent cluster to my London cluster, which will be very satisfying.
And with the ACH 200 next week passing through a few more tiles I need in SE London, that should finally link up my Kent cluster to my London cluster, which will be very satisfying.
:thumbsup:
Plus I enjoy planning a decent route to collect the tiles I want in a fairly efficient way. I try to avoid spurs where possible as they mess up the flow of the ride.Likewise. However I did that on Tuesday and it was a huge mistake because the path basically vanished and was tufty unrideable moorland which then became bog. I carried bike a long way and had soggy shoes rest of the day. I had the foresight to wear waterproof sock that day at least. Should have stayed on road and done the short spurs off it.
Knocked off a bunch of annoying ones to finish off the Tees estuary, including the awkward one at British Steel, and some bonus riding on the beach cos I was lucky enough to catch low tide at Redcar. The tide goes out a very long way there.*checks tide times for July*
It's all a bit different from the trackless moors at the other end of my square, but I really enjoy riding round there.
I definitely had visited some of them pre-GPS. Not just the beach, but my dad took me round an oil module he'd been working on when they had an open day before it was tugged out to sea*. This being the nineties and this being my dad, we had a good look around all the non-public areas too. But that was bang inside one of those tiles.
*Strong contender for most northern day out of my childhood, alongside The Day We Went to See Newport Bridge Being Raised for the Final Time
Knocked off a bunch of annoying ones to finish off the Tees estuary, including the awkward one at British Steel, and some bonus riding on the beach cos I was lucky enough to catch low tide at Redcar. The tide goes out a very long way there.When I got stuck at my Mum's during Lockdown 1, I kept myself sane by grabbing some local tiles around Gower and Swansea. This also involved waiting for tide to go out on occasions [second highest tidal range in world around there], which likewise made a change from the ankle snapping moorlands back oop North.
It's all a bit different from the trackless moors at the other end of my square, but I really enjoy riding round there.
Some interesting comments on this topic since my post last week, thank you. I have decided not to re-create my LeJog ride. But I have re-created my 2009 Etape du Tour (which included Mt Ventoux), and was probably pre-Strava (certainly pre any GPS that I have had). It was the longest day ride I've ever done, and the most climbing, so I felt it 'deserved' a slot in veloviewer. Didn't get me any increase in max square or max cluster though....... Although I wish I had the time I did LEJOG shown.......I did LEJOG in 1983 (as part of an organised trip) and I still have printed copies of each day's route maps and instructions. I could create some GPX files and use GOTOES to upload them to Strava. But should I? The resulting filled-in tiles would link together a few areas which are currently separated in my post-2013 Strava uploads. (Of course there are hundreds of other rides I did between 1962 and 2013 that will never get logged, because I don't know the exact routes any more.)
Planned to ride the Peak District North + West of Buxton this week.....
Tiles left behind are just a good excuse to go back.Indeed.
Tiles left behind are just a good excuse to go back.
I am hoping to do all of Kent by the end of the year.
I managed to get the Ash levels tiles over my last two rides. I still need to get those two North of Sandwich. Can you cycle along the coast path there? or at least push the bike?I took a day off on Thursday to do a long ride and capture some distant tiles. Very pleased to go up from 24x24 to 27x27 in one ride. Nothing really tricky on this one but I did end up with a bit of comedy offroading. I am hoping to finish all of Kent by the end of the year.
Nice work!
Where you have gaps on the Ash levels and those two coastal tiles north of Sandwich, I had to take to foot to get most of those. I have some walking routes on Viewranger if you want me to share them.
In return, I might ask for tips on Hoo tiles, when I get round to heading out that way.
@citoyen I assume this is doable at low tide?
Can you cycle along the coast path there? or at least push the bike?
@citoyen I assume this is doable at low tide?
Yes. Alternatively, if you befriend a North Foreland resident with a key, you could get down there via the original 39 steps. Of which there are in fact 78.Can you cycle along the coast path there? or at least push the bike?Thanks. I will have to do some more planning!
I should think so. Alternatively, you can go round via the path from Sandwich along that side of the Stour (might involve lifting the bike over a stile or two, but from memory I think it will mostly be rideable, even if that isn't strictly allowed).
It's not an especially difficult tile to get, there's a lovely lane running through the middle of it, it's just that the A46 fast dual carriageway at one end of the lane essentially makes it a dead end on a bike and I'm not a fan of 'stubs' just to bag tiles.Not a fan of stubs either because I hate backtracking on myself. I regard them as a necessary evil when tiling though, the only option at times too around these parts. Some save riding much longer extra loops that would also then mean repeating even longer sections on a ride.
I've got two more office days this week as well... need to plan some more routes to make the most of it... Almost feels like the trek up to London is worthwhile. :thumbsup:Almost. ;D :D
I've got two more office days this week as well... need to plan some more routes to make the most of it... Almost feels like the trek up to London is worthwhile. :thumbsup:Almost. ;D :D
Its the new high level route.
Its the new high level route.
two more office days this week… I’ll just have to make up for missing out yesterday!
Spent yesterday dodging sand and gravel in East Angular. Every fecking junction was a beach
I'd hazard a guess that it isn't the road but the drivers who are dangerous.
I love that descent. At bike speeds the bends aren't that crazy. I only had the one change of the lights to wait for Mr Smith when he was on fixed and I had a freewheel. It was even more fun on the tandem.It's not a lovely descent on sticky tarmac. It was deeply disappointing, particularly when the ride profile promised so much. :'(
I'd hazard a guess that it isn't the road but the drivers who are dangerous.Well yes and no. If if was just drivers/bikers to blame, then all roads would be equally dangerous. Some roads however encourage fast driving and then punish you severely when you mess up.
Sometimes, even at low tide, you have to get your feet wet...Is that the Whitstable Street? How far did you need to wade?
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Another tile bagged (https://flic.kr/p/2mb8xkX) by citoyen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/103760266@N08/), on Flickr
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Paddling (https://flic.kr/p/2mb4QXL) by citoyen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/103760266@N08/), on Flickr
(the water was actually a lot more pleasant than it looks in the pic)
I can't see the Veloviewer addons in Strava Routes at the moment. I'm definitely logged into VV on the same PC. Anyone else ???
There is currently an issue with the VeloViewer Chrome Extension for the integration with the Strava Route Builder. I've coded a fix and submitted the update to the Chrome Extension Store. It can take up to 24 hours before it is reviewed and published.
Is that the Whitstable Street? How far did you need to wade?
I can't see the Veloviewer addons in Strava Routes at the moment. I'm definitely logged into VV on the same PC. Anyone else ???
Looks like a known issue:QuoteThere is currently an issue with the VeloViewer Chrome Extension for the integration with the Strava Route Builder. I've coded a fix and submitted the update to the Chrome Extension Store. It can take up to 24 hours before it is reviewed and published.
https://twitter.com/VeloViewer/status/1420361016551092225
Cycled to and around Denmark during the past few works. Of course that did nothing for my square or cluster but my total amount of tiles increased to 37229 so I moved up to 6th spot in the total amount of tiles ranking. Next rider is nearly 1000 tiles ahead so it'll take some time to catch him.
Cycled to and around Denmark during the past few works. Of course that did nothing for my square or cluster but my total amount of tiles increased to 37229 so I moved up to 6th spot in the total amount of tiles ranking. Next rider is nearly 1000 tiles ahead so it'll take some time to catch him.
Great Work Ivo, :thumbsup: I've been the full length of the UK recently which is helping to fend off that very active Polish chap, keeping me keen.
Just ride across when the flags are down.I couldn't find a list of dates when they'd be open? I don't want to head down there and
There's even a segment across it: https://www.strava.com/segments/11631662
...I won't need to cycle through Coventry for a while...
My everything hurts...
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Worth it though, eh?
Great story of a tile truly bagged. Nice one!Worth it though, eh?
Fuck yeah...
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...I won't need to cycle through Coventry for a while...
Accentuate the positive.
600km is a long way to ride for 24 tiles.
Hexham to Haltwhistle is brutal.
I'm happy to walk ;D
https://www.strava.com/activities/5797570039
It's the bouncing up and down the sides of the valley that will kill me.
A very successful trip down to the Dover area. Picked up two tiles on the coast that I failed to get on a recent walk, plus one I missed on my last visit down this way. I managed to get 33 tiles today, but annoyingly missed one by a few metres.
Thanks. The one on the cliff near South Foreland was nice. Bad planning on my part to miss the beach one at St Margarets though.A very successful trip down to the Dover area. Picked up two tiles on the coast that I failed to get on a recent walk, plus one I missed on my last visit down this way. I managed to get 33 tiles today, but annoyingly missed one by a few metres.
Good work! Shame about that one missed tile.
When you come back down this way to fill it in, you also need to do the descent into St Margaret's Bay...
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Still need to get that one myself, tbh, along with the one a bit further along the cliffs towards Dover.
Would it be mean of me to point out that you have a false positive down on Rommey Marsh (on the Military Road between Rye and Appledore)? I only noticed it because it's one I've been trying to work out how to get myself so I thought I'd have a look and see how you managed it... I think it's possible to get it by going across the dyke further up, and then along a farm track on the other side, but the road doesn't quite go through it.
Bad planning on my part to miss the beach one at St Margarets though.
I will take a good look at the Appledore one. I've been along that road so many times so hadn't really looked too closely at it.
Would it be mean of me to point out that you have a false positive down on Rommey Marsh (on the Military Road between Rye and Appledore)? I only noticed it because it's one I've been trying to work out how to get myself so I thought I'd have a look and see how you managed it... I think it's possible to get it by going across the dyke further up, and then along a farm track on the other side, but the road doesn't quite go through it.
I have also noticed that I could have got another tile by walking to the end of Deal Pier!
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22 tiles collect and max cluster increased by 61. It should have been 23 and 66 but I missed one of my spikes so there is still a stray tile that will need collecting. I have generally set proximity alarms on the spikes but didn't bother for yesterday's ride ::-)
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My 200km ride yesterday included 6.5km of footpaths and 15km of Sustrans/tracks.
I've had to throw out my shoes.
I really need to get over this tiling obsession, it's doing SFA for my pace.
[73 new tiles, cluster +30, missed a crucial tile which would have joined to Hull so have to go back to the East Riding)
Veloviewer doesn't seem to update my stats any way to force them?I thought there was an update tab to do this. Mine don't update automatically
The map is correct but my numbers on the leaderboard don't move any more. They took sometimes a couple of days in the past but have been missing cluster gains from over two weeks ago now.
beyond that I would either have to become aquatic or venture into Swindon, neither of which have much appeal.Doncaster was my Swindon, but a couple of rides polished off that wretched area.
But I chickened out of soloing it. And asked a friend who likes to SUP, if he fancied keeping me company.You should have borrowed a SUP, there would have been far fewer DOMS then.
I'm working on a coast to coast link.My long term goal will be a C2C cluster.
Hexham to Haltwhistle is brutal.
Did another tile-bagging commute this morning - headed south from Bromley via Biggin Hill before heading back northwards through Croydon, Mitcham and Tooting into central London.A lot of my London tiles will be around there as my sister lives in Tooting.
Bloody hell, it's lumpy round Biggin Hill, isn't it? Total of about 500m climbing (according to Strava) in 49km,That's bang on the average climbing for anywhere around here, Sheffield/Peak District. Sounds odd to get that much climbing darn London Way.
beyond that I would either have to become aquatic or venture into Swindon, neither of which have much appeal.Doncaster was my Swindon, but a couple of rides polished off that wretched area.
A personal goal is to find something of some kind of interest in every tile, but I really struggled in Dunstable, which seemed to be Luton without the glamour.Something that has developed out of tiling is a photo project - https://www.futtfuttfutt.com/-/galleries/imajez-portfolio/sub-liminal. (https://www.futtfuttfutt.com/-/galleries/imajez-portfolio/sub-liminal.) I find everywhere new interesting, just in different ways.
QuoteBloody hell, it's lumpy round Biggin Hill, isn't it? Total of about 500m climbing (according to Strava) in 49km,That's bang on the average climbing for anywhere around here, Sheffield/Peak District. Sounds odd to get that much climbing darn London Way.
I have a 220km route planned (hoping to do it on one of my days off next week) which could be similar. Komoot reckons about 25km "off-road" in total, including -
Unpaved: 8.19 km
Compacted Gravel: 5.63 km
It'll be worth it for the tiles though - about 60, I think. But I might wait to see what the weather is like before deciding whether to ride it.
I have a 220km route planned (hoping to do it on one of my days off next week) which could be similar. Komoot reckons about 25km "off-road" in total, including -
Unpaved: 8.19 km
Compacted Gravel: 5.63 km
It'll be worth it for the tiles though - about 60, I think. But I might wait to see what the weather is like before deciding whether to ride it.
I did this ride on Wednesday... {snip}
Another member has been added to the Century Max Square Club.
https://www.strava.com/clubs/279168/posts/17762605
So big congrats to William Oving.
Refineries, canoeing, private land, military land... ticking all the boxes for "tricky tiles" with that one!There are plenty more kinds of tricky tiles. ;D
By the way, with the permission of Yorick and the interviewees we are storing the interviews at e.g. https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/interview_willem_oving for visibility.That'll be handy.
You need to try Devon and Cornwall. An 'average' ride is usually 750m of climbing per 50km; for tiling it's often over 1000mQuoteBloody hell, it's lumpy round Biggin Hill, isn't it? Total of about 500m climbing (according to Strava) in 49km,That's bang on the average climbing for anywhere around here, Sheffield/Peak District. Sounds odd to get that much climbing darn London Way.
You need to try Devon and Cornwall. An 'average' ride is usually 750m of climbing per 50km; for tiling it's often over 1000mFolk from here have commented how steep it can be in your neck of woods. But that 500m/50km I should note is the road riding average on sensible loops including lots of city. Some friends recently did 3000m+ in 100km. See here... https://www.bandofclimbers.com/pages/sheffield-group-ride (https://www.bandofclimbers.com/pages/sheffield-group-ride) - You can get even more climbing in, but with less elegant a route.
There are a few tricky ones in Bodmin Moor that remain.Rather accurately according to Google maps, Newel Tor is permanently closed.
One in particular would let me go to 22x22, then 3 easy sqaures in Plymouth would get me much more.
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I've attempted to get into it 3 times, from 3 directions.
From the north there is a tarck through a private woodland and I can't find the owner.Is there anything physically stopping you riding the track? Because if you read about the history of land ownership in the UK and how most of it was acquired by questionable means. You tend to have little sympathy with private signs out in the countryside.
I've attempted to get into it 3 times, from 3 directions. From the north there is a tarck through a private woodland and I can't find the owner. From the East I have got within about 50 yards, after riding (but mostly walking) over more than 2 miles of moorland - to be confronted by an impossible barbed-wire fence (both sides of the fence are on common land, so this is extra frustrating). The easiest route in should be from the South, but the road to the ram there has plenty of 'private' signs; I have written (snaill-mail) to the farm's owners to ask permission but had no reply.
I've yet to try asking at the farms on the west side, but this will be a very steep slope.
Contact Ben at Veloviewer if there are any glitches. He's usually very quick at sorting any problems out, if they are his end.
Thanks , fixed now found out that you need to double click ride in Activities. Is this a case of having to check up for lost /missing tiles due to Veloviewer straight lining out all the little bends. Thats ok when you are cycling thro tiles but not much use if trying to catch tiles that are only visited buy cycling in just enough to trigger a new veloviewer tile on the garmin or phone.It’s not really VeloViewer, it’s Strava. Everyone using the Strava API is allowed to use it a certain number of times per hour and per day. If you ask for “all the user’s rides in this time range” or “the details of this one ride” both of those count as one query - even though you might get 30 rides from the first form. So an API user like VeloViewer needs to use the first form as much as possible, but unfortunately this only gives the “summary” map - ie Strava is sending VeloViewer the “straightened lines”. Then the user notices some tiles are missing and double-clicks the ride - VV then uses the other form of the API - asking Strava about that one ride only - this is costly in terms of using up its API allowance, but worth it because the user really is interested in the detailed map that comes with it. The tiles now get calculated accurately
I've never asked for permission.even when there's three separate signs saying 'private keep out' along the lane?
What's the worst that can happen? They ask you to leave, you're not moving in. The only time I've ever been caught out was here :I've never asked for permission.even when there's three separate signs saying 'private keep out' along the lane?
What's the worst that can happen? They ask you to leave, you're not moving in.
Take your point, but the worst that could happen is quite bad... landowners can be very precious about their fields in the same way that motorists can be about their cars.
I’ve had two incidents - once in the South Downs a shooting party saw me riding along a public footpath (not a bridleway) over private land. They decided to shoot a shotgun above my head. Was extremely loud and quite scary. By hand movements they made clear my bike was not welcome.
The second time a lady set their dog chasing after me along a private driveway. The dog was quite aggressive and nipped at my heel. In the moment I decided to keep pedalling and the dog came close to getting caught in my wheel before it relented.
Either incident could’ve turned out worse!
No idea why I stated that figure and even less why I then repeated it in the following conversation.QuoteBloody hell, it's lumpy round Biggin Hill, isn't it? Total of about 500m climbing (according to Strava) in 49km,That's bang on the average climbing for anywhere around here, Sheffield/Peak District. Sounds odd to get that much climbing darn London Way.
Loved this https://www.strava.com/activities/3145008494 (https://www.strava.com/activities/3145008494) on RideEveryTile Strava Club. Makes my sea dabblings look pathetic. Huge respect
Bothy trip Loch and Glen Etive , Glen Coe and back down to North Connel. 36 new tiles visiting bothies.It's rather nice around there. A friend lived at Aird's bay on Loch Etive some years back so I rode up around the loch on that side during a visit. Long before GPS, so no tiles bagged. I did come face to face with a VERY large stag though. The week before I'd read about an American MTVer being killed by a deer, so was quite glad when he jumped over the enormous fence and off away from path. No idea why this huge metal fence was there, seemed rather incongruous.
Was that where Skyfall was filmed then?
My max square is currently constrained by no - access areas.Done. And, to be honest, a lovely walk.
I have a cunning plan..
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Thanks , fixed now found out that you need to double click ride in Activities. Is this a case of having to check up for lost /missing tiles due to Veloviewer straight lining out all the little bends. Thats ok when you are cycling thro tiles but not much use if trying to catch tiles that are only visited buy cycling in just enough to trigger a new veloviewer tile on the garmin or phone.It’s not really VeloViewer, it’s Strava. Everyone using the Strava API is allowed to use it a certain number of times per hour and per day. If you ask for “all the user’s rides in this time range” or “the details of this one ride” both of those count as one query - even though you might get 30 rides from the first form. So an API user like VeloViewer needs to use the first form as much as possible, but unfortunately this only gives the “summary” map - ie Strava is sending VeloViewer the “straightened lines”. Then the user notices some tiles are missing and double-clicks the ride - VV then uses the other form of the API - asking Strava about that one ride only - this is costly in terms of using up its API allowance, but worth it because the user really is interested in the detailed map that comes with it. The tiles now get calculated accurately
Hope that helps!
absolutely decimated my Max square. :facepalm:
I had about a dozen solo tiles where the straight lines had just clipped the corners; some very local, others not so. I had previuosly done this regularly for several years on all rides since becoming interested in tiling, but hadn't realised how much the older rides had an effect. Oh well gives me another target to go for picking off these new holes in my square.Maybe not. 2-3 years back Ben rejigged the accuracy of the tiling setup and 'squarepocalypse' was the result. Previously there was a teeny tiny bit of fudge, so being very close to a tile got counted. Pretty much everyone's square was affected, so lots of 'revisiting' tiles was done. This made folk make doubly sure they got into a tile.
I'm guessing some of those with big squares would see the same if they haven't religiously checked all rides.
Last week I took the inflatable kayak to the Noordoostpolder on two days to bag all the water tiles that might some day limit my square:Very precise and concise paddling, chapeau
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The ones on the right were not strictly necessary, you could grab those on land as well, but that would involve some hike-a-bike, cycling over lumpy grassland and avoiding a grumpy farmer ;D Besides, it's just lovely kayaking in the Weerribben (North-East patch), small canals in a peat-bog area:
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Then this week it was two long (26km each) trips in the Dollard sea:
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The first one (east part) was rather dicey, even though weather conditions were perfect: nice temperature and no wind at all. It turned the sea in a mirror:
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What makes the Dollard somewhat problematic is the fact that it isn't really sea, it's land that floods on the high tide. Meaning that low tide most of it falls dry. And if you fall dry, you'll be surrounded by (up to) kilometers of 10-40cm deep very soft, very slimy clay. Forget about getting out of your boat and walking, it's impossible, even for a few meters! So you'll be stuck waiting for the high tide and by that time it will be dark...
There is however a natural gully which meanders from the locks at Nieuwe Statenzijl along the South coast then up North that remains deep enough for a kayak. You'll be peddling surrounded by mud:
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And you're be peddling like mad but making slow progress regardless. The water looks very calm in the gully, but when looking at the buoys you could see there is a significant current you have to peddle against.
The second trip was by comparison a walk in the park. I did start with high tide and followed the receding tide all the way to Delfzijl. Combined speed (current, paddling and even a little tailwind) got up to 12 kph!
Overall not an enormous amount of new tiles, but it was very satisfying to bag them. And I'll wager that it will be a while before another person comes along to get these tiles in the Dollard and IJselmeer :D
Last week I took the inflatable kayak to the Noordoostpolder on two days to bag all the water tiles that might some day limit my square:
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The ones on the right were not strictly necessary, you could grab those on land as well, but that would involve some hike-a-bike, cycling over lumpy grassland and avoiding a grumpy farmer ;D Besides, it's just lovely kayaking in the Weerribben (North-East patch), small canals in a peat-bog area:
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Then this week it was two long (26km each) trips in the Dollard sea:
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The first one (east part) was rather dicey, even though weather conditions were perfect: nice temperature and no wind at all. It turned the sea in a mirror:
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What makes the Dollard somewhat problematic is the fact that it isn't really sea, it's land that floods on the high tide. Meaning that low tide most of it falls dry. And if you fall dry, you'll be surrounded by (up to) kilometers of 10-40cm deep very soft, very slimy clay. Forget about getting out of your boat and walking, it's impossible, even for a few meters! So you'll be stuck waiting for the high tide and by that time it will be dark...
There is however a natural gully which meanders from the locks at Nieuwe Statenzijl along the South coast then up North that remains deep enough for a kayak. You'll be peddling surrounded by mud:
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Has anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
I take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
I could always pedal on to a Ferry taking me somewhere, haI take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Looks to be a major Ferry port also?
So there are genuinely only two people to ever accomplish the two “difficult” squares?
From looking at this I think it should be possible canoeing. You're not allowed to cross the ferry channel, you have to exit/enter through the small boat channel, but it seems to cross that tile.I take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Looks to be a major Ferry port also?
So there are genuinely only two people to ever accomplish the two “difficult” squares?
From looking at this I think it should be possible canoeing. You're not allowed to cross the ferry channel, you have to exit/enter through the small boat channel, but it seems to cross that tile.I take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Looks to be a major Ferry port also?
So there are genuinely only two people to ever accomplish the two “difficult” squares?
Portsmouth is currently slightly outside my catchment area. My biggest watery focus at the moment would be to bridge to the Isle of Wight. You can get Hurst Castle fairly easily, and thus get a mainland cluster touching an IOW cluster, as shown in blue. A quick swim from Norton Beach (about 200m out) and you nab the shaded green tile, adding the two green dotted tiles to your cluster, and thus making one supercluster.From looking at this I think it should be possible canoeing. You're not allowed to cross the ferry channel, you have to exit/enter through the small boat channel, but it seems to cross that tile.I take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Looks to be a major Ferry port also?
So there are genuinely only two people to ever accomplish the two “difficult” squares?
Interesting - this company https://www.stokedwatersports.co.uk/event/portsmouth-harbour-kayak/ seems to offer a guided trip from Trafalgar Wharf in Portchester down to Gosport. Not guaranteed to hit the difficult tile, but it might do.
The exclusion zone around the Naval Base seems to be 50m according to https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/qhm/portsmouth/documents/19_0117-qhm_leaflet_a4_single_pages.pdf?la=en-gb&rev=78ee1c6d057846d48c642d6555157eb3&hash=CC026EF88E9314F4FD70AC95D59A296C . This would seem to leave scope for a kayaking option.
Would be great to hear about your adventures if you pull this off.
Thanks for the well wishes, and for the links! Even rideeverytile I hadn’t realised was so informativeFrom looking at this I think it should be possible canoeing. You're not allowed to cross the ferry channel, you have to exit/enter through the small boat channel, but it seems to cross that tile.I take it I can’t paddle my canoe around the perimeter of the southern one then, haHas anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Looks to be a major Ferry port also?
So there are genuinely only two people to ever accomplish the two “difficult” squares?
Interesting - this company https://www.stokedwatersports.co.uk/event/portsmouth-harbour-kayak/ seems to offer a guided trip from Trafalgar Wharf in Portchester down to Gosport. Not guaranteed to hit the difficult tile, but it might do.
The exclusion zone around the Naval Base seems to be 50m according to https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/qhm/portsmouth/documents/19_0117-qhm_leaflet_a4_single_pages.pdf?la=en-gb&rev=78ee1c6d057846d48c642d6555157eb3&hash=CC026EF88E9314F4FD70AC95D59A296C . This would seem to leave scope for a kayaking option.
Would be great to hear about your adventures if you pull this off.
Has anyone managed to acquire the tiles to the West of Portsmouth, seemingly requiring Military access?
Of those two "difficult" squares, the northern one is seemingly do-able by staying on the shoreline to the north of the Tipner shooting range. The southern one is the headquarters of the Royal Navy. I believe both people who have it on RideEveryTile had special military access. Maybe there is public access to Whale Island sometimes though...
Ref: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8141x5497
Dam it, just realised that I should have those difficult squares in Portsmouth as I've had evening runs through them on many occations when still in the RN. I haven't got them though because at the time I was using Run Keeper rather than Strava :facepalm:
Is rideeverytile correct in stating that no one has ever bagged this tile?: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8149x5499Well, it means no one who has public VeloViewer data and is a member of RideEveryTile has ever got that tile. That’s only about 2,000 people at the moment.
I ran around the public footpath of Thorney Island at low tide today and I reckon it’s possible with a small diversion just west of the runway approach lights and towards the X on my Strava image here..as long as it’s not quick sand of course, ha.
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Interesting Pete. It’s not obvious how to either sign up to rideeverytile, or make my veloviewer data public. Is the latter driven by Strava privacy settings, perhaps? My ideas on how to activate either?Is rideeverytile correct in stating that no one has ever bagged this tile?: https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/heatmap/8149x5499Well, it means no one who has public VeloViewer data and is a member of RideEveryTile has ever got that tile. That’s only about 2,000 people at the moment.
I ran around the public footpath of Thorney Island at low tide today and I reckon it’s possible with a small diversion just west of the runway approach lights and towards the X on my Strava image here..as long as it’s not quick sand of course, ha.
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https://www.strava.com/clubs/RideEveryTile (https://www.strava.com/clubs/RideEveryTile)Brilliant, thank you.
On veloviewer, go to the update tab, click on the blue arrow and you'll see a number of checkboxes. Make sure the share my data with anyone is checked. You may also want to check the leaderboards box as well.
Today I managed to get into a tricky tile on Bodmin Moor to increase my max square from 19 to 22.
On the same trip I also completed some gaps in my cluster:
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it now runs all the way from Land's End to Bristol - is there a challenge for the longest cluster?
Think it is Baltic to Mediterranean (Rostock to Genoa) but wouldn’t be surprised if he has done Adriatic too! Some details at https://rideeverytile.com/tiles/interview_jurgen_knupeToday I managed to get into a tricky tile on Bodmin Moor to increase my max square from 19 to 22.
On the same trip I also completed some gaps in my cluster:
(http://quilkin.co.uk/shared/landsendbristol.png)
it now runs all the way from Land's End to Bristol - is there a challenge for the longest cluster?
Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
The longest straight line distance entirely inside your cluster is a bit of a different metric, I suspect.Today I managed to get into a tricky tile on Bodmin Moor to increase my max square from 19 to 22.
On the same trip I also completed some gaps in my cluster:
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it now runs all the way from Land's End to Bristol - is there a challenge for the longest cluster?
Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
LEJOG cluster opportunities just waiting for somebody.... ;-)Naturally had occurred to me, but parts of my LEJOG route aren't exactly conducive to clustering...
LEJOG cluster opportunities just waiting for somebody.... ;-)Hmmm - wondered about that after completing Land's End to Bristol, but a quick look at road density in Scotland (north of Golspie) suggests it's impossible on roads or tracks. You'd need to kayak a lot.
LEJOG cluster opportunities just waiting for somebody.... ;-)I'm almost London to Jedburgh - or is that not what you meant ? ;D
Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
My current goals are to get to Carlisle and Dunbar this year.That's impressive; do you ride from home to the Cambridge area a lot and go slightly different ways each time?
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Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
Fun idea Ivo, a long way from Lejog as mentioned but did think could I stretch mine to Scotland one day.
currently as a route within my cluster I have approx:
453Km from Minehead to Sheffield
456Km from Minehead to the Wash coast near Kings Lynn
493Km from Minehead to near Manningtree on the Suffolk coast, which could be easily pushed over 500km
Yorick tops the list on the Dutch forum, with a cluster from Northern France to the northern tip of the Netherlands.
I currently have a couple of microclusters at Sheffield and Leeds.Not on Veloviewer itself. On a Dutch forum we have an internal challenge about this. To be at the top your longest distance within your cluster should already be over 400k. Nothing compared to one German tilehunter who has a cluster extending from the Adriatic to the Baltic Sea.
Fun idea Ivo, a long way from Lejog as mentioned but did think could I stretch mine to Scotland one day.
currently as a route within my cluster I have approx:
453Km from Minehead to Sheffield
456Km from Minehead to the Wash coast near Kings Lynn
493Km from Minehead to near Manningtree on the Suffolk coast, which could be easily pushed over 500km
That's impressive; do you ride from home to the Cambridge area a lot and go slightly different ways each time?God no.
Well I got that tricky tile. Bad route choice though as I had to walk across a very muddy field after the footpath petered out and eventually left my bike behind in some bushes to finish. Much better to take the track further South which is much more passable.
Would it be mean of me to point out that you have a false positive down on Rommey Marsh (on the Military Road between Rye and Appledore)? I only noticed it because it's one I've been trying to work out how to get myself so I thought I'd have a look and see how you managed it... I think it's possible to get it by going across the dyke further up, and then along a farm track on the other side, but the road doesn't quite go through it.
I will probably take the footpath to the South, which looks fairly straightforward.
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Having made that mistake enough times, I now end my Route at the dead end bit and start a new one for the continuation of the ride. Means I have to stop and faff with the GPS, which doubles as a useful cue to check I'm definitely inside the tile.
Yesterday's Salt & Cotswolds audax from Droitwich Spa bagged another 49 tiles. I had plotted a variation of the route that added 19k and mopped up another 36 tiles but on the day I was enjoying riding with other people so didn't bother.
Just over 0.5k per tile seems like an absolute bargain now that I am sitting at home in the centre of my max square!
When I started Veloviewing in the summer I decided that a 25x25 square and cluster of 1000 were good targets for the year.I crossed Swindon to join up my Dorset cluster and Oxford mini-cluster. Not too hard to knock off.
And I've now achieved them (actually 27x27, as I decided to knock off all the off-road tiles around Cricklade in one go). Of course most of this has been infilling between pre-Veloviewer rides and my total tileage has only increased by ~150, but it has meant that I have visited lots of places which I wouldn't have done otherwise. Of course there are good reasons why I wouldn't have wanted to visit some of them (Tadpole Garden Village, anyone), but there have been plenty of unexpectedly pleasant ones as well.
Expanding the square any further means going further into Swindon than Tadpole Garden Village, so I won't do that until I have good reason to go there (the only good reason to go to Swindon is to catch the train out). But there are still mini-clusters to attach to the main one, so I hope to add a few more tiles to the cluster total.
Some random meandering recently put Leeds and Manchester city centres into my cluster. What's the 'Northern Powerhouse'... do I need to add Liverpool and Sheffield? Delighted to have Durham, Middlesbrough, York, Hull, Leeds, Wakefield and Manchester into the max cluster... like many of us a new goal is to reach from coast to coast. I figure either Liverpool or Blackpool first; I go to Blackpool more frequently. Oh wait, I guess Preston would probably be the first moment I hit coast to coast.I'd rather like to join up my Sheffield and Leeds clusters to my main one.
Someone (a couple of pages back) commented about it not being "exploring" if you're following a heatmap of other riders. Nonsense. Exploring is going places I haven't been, not going places other people haven't been. Sometimes I follow the trails blazed by our community of tilers, but more often than not I cycle somewhere, then open the app and have a look to see what I might be able to gather nearby. This is not efficient, but I'm not always bothered about efficiency, this game isn't one in going to win. In my cycling club there are only two other serious players of the game, and they're untouchable.
Has anyone noticed that the Strava route planner shows your completed tiles but lags behind the true coverage? For me it is missing some from a few months back so I don't think it's as simple as a periodic pull of the data?Try a veloviewer update. It seems to fix that for me generally.
https://www.strava.com/routes/new
In my cycling club there are only two other serious players of the game, and they're untouchable.
Another clever person has created a map overlay to show your collected tiles.Seems to be a problem with Brouter here. I have two 'difficult' tiles visited (only gone into them 100m or so) showing up OK on VV itself and on the VV Strava plugin. But Brouter shows them as not visited. This is the case both with vv.fork.pl method and with the .kml export from VV loaded into Brouter.
I use Brouter a lot and it works well with simple instructions.
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Edit: I did some tests and it looks like it works pretty well with OsmAnd on both Android and iOS. I updated instructions accordingly.
(https://cetaceanneeded.com/Images/veloviewer.gif)Love these animations. Might do one myself now.
Oops, guess what...
J
A max square of 2048*2048 is quite an achievement ::-)
Missing a tile by 20m won't happen if you have a Garmin with the EveryTile app and/or an unexplored tiles map overlay with you, or an Android phone with the "Explorer Helper for Veloviewer" app.
I have that on my phone, unfortunately I wasn't concentrating and hadn't realised this was one of those places I needed to check. Never mind it is a great place to visit so I will get it another time.
Isn't closing holes in the cluster the best?
I certainly is.
And look how close idiot boy got to this one! I must have missed it by about 20 metres through not concentrating.
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Comment of the year! :facepalm:And look how close idiot boy got to this one! I must have missed it by about 20 metres through not concentrating.
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It even told you to look out...
Oh well done for that.And look how close idiot boy got to this one! I must have missed it by about 20 metres through not concentrating.
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It even told you to look out...
In 2021 I had a tile based goal to hit 2021 cluster by the end of the year. I haven't set myself a goal this year as I can't think of a suitable one. So I guess there's gonna be a sorta aimless gap filling going on...
J
How many countries in your cluster? Can you add one (or more)?
How many countries in your cluster? Can you add one (or more)?
Right now, 1. I'm one tile short of the German border. And about one ride of maybe 80km, short of making Belgium.
J
Over in Fife, we are catching tracks and back roads as other half hates main roads. Done an Audax years ago, now i can try and fill in the gaps. 133 tiles for the few days, up to 31133 , some images.(https://i.imgur.com/E6CFzUB.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/4oKgaZD.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/0PiVlbz.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/hDhNnXY.jpg) best black pudding just made it before lunchtime menu(https://i.imgur.com/Te7eXfL.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/50SmdQj.jpg) A road closed for forestry work, a bike will always find a way thro.Where is that road closed?
Is this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?
Is this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?:
It looks to be 150+ and the biggest square you can fit into the UK?? Is anyone close to completion, perhaps??
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Is this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?
It looks like you've got RAF Lakenheath within there, which is a square that is somewhat difficult to acquire, unless you have connections within the forces.
Ha, wish me luck over the next few decades!Is this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?
It looks like you've got RAF Lakenheath within there, which is a square that is somewhat difficult to acquire, unless you have connections within the forces.
To get that square, you've somehow got to get Lakenheath (one difficult tile), Porton Down (up to 4 difficult tiles) and the harder parts of the Salisbury Plain Training Area (up to 6 difficult tiles). Otherwise it's easy :-)
That’s so very impressive! ChapeauIs this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?:
It looks to be 150+ and the biggest square you can fit into the UK?? Is anyone close to completion, perhaps??
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I have 80 X 80 right now with the wash the top limit, I might be able to get 1 more line with a canoe in 1 square needed. The box is my 100 x 100 target which I need about 600 squares to finish.
As for biggest possible, you can add a few lines on top of your theoretical box; Personally looks around 130 from my prospective going South and West, I have little desire to go East into the Fens any more, It is a bitch, so much trespassing required :facepalm:
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Yeah, I wouldn't call Porton Down "difficult", but 4 nearly impossible tiles!Is this the ultimate UK Max Square to aim for before I am simply too old to pedal any more?
It looks like you've got RAF Lakenheath within there, which is a square that is somewhat difficult to acquire, unless you have connections within the forces.
To get that square, you've somehow got to get Lakenheath (one difficult tile), Porton Down (up to 4 difficult tiles) and the harder parts of the Salisbury Plain Training Area (up to 6 difficult tiles). Otherwise it's easy :-)
I take it these are the four tiles in question?They are indeed. All four are completely within the Porton Down/MOD site. If you research it carefully, I think some of the four may actually more difficult than others, but none are easy. The Wiltshire Definitive Map shows a dead-end footpath going into the site -- but it seems that the MOD red flags fly permanently there.
Looking at OS with my tiles:I take it these are the four tiles in question?They are indeed. All four are completely within the Porton Down/MOD site. If you research it carefully, I think some of the four may actually more difficult than others, but none are easy. The Wiltshire Definitive Map shows a dead-end footpath going into the site -- but it seems that the MOD red flags fly permanently there.
Looking at OS with my tiles:I take it these are the four tiles in question?They are indeed. All four are completely within the Porton Down/MOD site. If you research it carefully, I think some of the four may actually more difficult than others, but none are easy. The Wiltshire Definitive Map shows a dead-end footpath going into the site -- but it seems that the MOD red flags fly permanently there.
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The north boundary is easily covered by the Roman Portway beside the railway. South side A343.
The information here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain) says about Salisbury Plain (and there's no seperate Porton Down entry) "The numerous Public Rights of Way remain open during military training, even when tanks are manoeuvring. The public should not leave the route of these Public Rights of Way."
Not sure I'd want to walk around a chemical weapons testing ground, though.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220131/b8597048d599e647b56471e9924a2c38.jpg)Looking at OS with my tiles:I take it these are the four tiles in question?They are indeed. All four are completely within the Porton Down/MOD site. If you research it carefully, I think some of the four may actually more difficult than others, but none are easy. The Wiltshire Definitive Map shows a dead-end footpath going into the site -- but it seems that the MOD red flags fly permanently there.
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The north boundary is easily covered by the Roman Portway beside the railway. South side A343.
The information here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain) says about Salisbury Plain (and there's no seperate Porton Down entry) "The numerous Public Rights of Way remain open during military training, even when tanks are manoeuvring. The public should not leave the route of these Public Rights of Way."
Not sure I'd want to walk around a chemical weapons testing ground, though.
WSLO107 Byway. If it were accessible it would allow this:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220131/b8597048d599e647b56471e9924a2c38.jpg)Looking at OS with my tiles:I take it these are the four tiles in question?They are indeed. All four are completely within the Porton Down/MOD site. If you research it carefully, I think some of the four may actually more difficult than others, but none are easy. The Wiltshire Definitive Map shows a dead-end footpath going into the site -- but it seems that the MOD red flags fly permanently there.
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The north boundary is easily covered by the Roman Portway beside the railway. South side A343.
The information here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-access-to-military-areas#salisbury-plain) says about Salisbury Plain (and there's no seperate Porton Down entry) "The numerous Public Rights of Way remain open during military training, even when tanks are manoeuvring. The public should not leave the route of these Public Rights of Way."
Not sure I'd want to walk around a chemical weapons testing ground, though.
I can’t quite tell if you saying any of the four are accessible or not… anything on the north side of the railway and the A343 itself do not touch the problematic four. Here is the OS map overlaid with rights of way info (using rowmaps.com). The dead end blue lines are byways (not footpaths as I said previously, sorry), but I’m not sure if they can be used or not as red flags are always up. As you say, there is MOD info on Salisbury Plain but not Porton Down.
Oh and, by the way, even if you use all the public rights of way on Salisbury Plain, there still looks to be six tiles that are inaccessible there too :-/ the tank training ground is a big area.
I can't read the small print but the signage at the entrance to that byway isn't exactly welcoming: https://goo.gl/maps/ph3AT4Fsbfsu5kbf8If anyone were to take the risk, would it be sportsmanlike to share the .gpx file, so that others don’t have to?
The northeast tile looks easier - it is about 150m along the edge of a field once you hop over the fence at the side of the byway. A somewhat dated photo is here: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2356485
NB I am not suggesting that this is a sensible idea!
I can't read the small print but the signage at the entrance to that byway isn't exactly welcoming: https://goo.gl/maps/ph3AT4Fsbfsu5kbf8If anyone were to take the risk, would it be sportsmanlike to share the .gpx file, so that others don’t have to?
The northeast tile looks easier - it is about 150m along the edge of a field once you hop over the fence at the side of the byway. A somewhat dated photo is here: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2356485
NB I am not suggesting that this is a sensible idea!
Is the rule human-powered ?
Drummy Wood on the Langdyke Road, you can see the other pic of the mud at the other end if I post the image.Doh forgot I'd asked, it had been closed since the storm at the start of December so was a bit surprized it's was still shut mid January, I've stuck to using Kettle Hill so not been to check
Personal choice what rules you're playing by. But to my mind you need to visit the square yourself. Anybody half-decent on a computer can probably fake a .gpx file, but it isn't the game we're playing.On foot is fine of course. It's a useful option, but generally bike is best.
Of course that still leaves the question of how you're allowed to visit. Bike is fine, on foot or kayak generally seems deemed fine. Flying over the top in a light aircraft? Is the rule human-powered ?
Personal choice what rules you're playing by. But to my mind you need to visit the square yourself. Anybody half-decent on a computer can probably fake a .gpx file, but it isn't the game we're playing.
Of course that still leaves the question of how you're allowed to visit. Bike is fine, on foot or kayak generally seems deemed fine. Flying over the top in a light aircraft? Is the rule human-powered ?
Personal choice what rules you're playing by. But to my mind you need to visit the square yourself. Anybody half-decent on a computer can probably fake a .gpx file, but it isn't the game we're playing.
Of course that still leaves the question of how you're allowed to visit. Bike is fine, on foot or kayak generally seems deemed fine. Flying over the top in a light aircraft? Is the rule human-powered ?
How about a glider? After all a bike can be pushed along by the wind or down a hill by gravity, a kayak going along with the tide and wind ,to be fair foot or swim must be the only way :demon:
@citoyen I thought this was my last Kentish tile, but have now discovered another 2, so another trip is needed, but I am almost there. Then there are two that will involve a night time trespass, one of which is on an explosives range!
There are a couple of gliding aerodromes in the area... https://pngc.co.uk/trial-lessons/ (https://pngc.co.uk/trial-lessons/) is the closest, based at Middle Wallop. Also https://armyglidingclubwyvern.com/trial-lessons-2/ (https://armyglidingclubwyvern.com/trial-lessons-2/) from Upavon.Personal choice what rules you're playing by. But to my mind you need to visit the square yourself. Anybody half-decent on a computer can probably fake a .gpx file, but it isn't the game we're playing.
Of course that still leaves the question of how you're allowed to visit. Bike is fine, on foot or kayak generally seems deemed fine. Flying over the top in a light aircraft? Is the rule human-powered ?
How about a glider? After all a bike can be pushed along by the wind or down a hill by gravity, a kayak going along with the tide and wind ,to be fair foot or swim must be the only way :demon:
I've already suggested that: https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=108374.msg2497728#msg2497728
How about a glider? After all a bike can be pushed along by the wind or down a hill by gravity, a kayak going along with the tide and wind ,to be fair foot or swim must be the only way :demon:A glider is entirely wind/thermals powered, so very different from a bike or kayak. Both of which can be stymied as much as helped by wind or tide. As for freewheeling DH, you had to pedal up the hill to start with.
Attempting to fly over Porton Down ... would be a Mk 1 Bad Idea.
I'd accept a hang-glider as human-powered, if you carry it up the hill yourself and don't go chasing thermals. Requires a suitable hill.What about e-bikes? As for the air, a human powered airship, where lift is maintained by buoyancy, but propulsion is either wind or human thrust... that's not really any different to a bike then.
True human-powered aircraft require a very fit recumbent-trained rider to get off the ground. Staying in the air is hard work.
Attempting to fly over Porton Down using either would be a Mk 1 Bad Idea.
I'd suggest that storing human power (using anything other than gravity and the mass of your vehicle) isn't in the spirit of such things. Not that charging an electric aeroplane or glider winch or motorboat with a turbo trainer sounds like anything other than Type 2 Fun.
Your best bet is probably to contract a rare disease in suspicious circumstances. Persuading them to give you your GPS receiver back left as an exercise for the reader.Nah, if you developed a such a disease, you'd be taken inside. The tile with the main buildings in isn't even hard to get!
Your best bet is probably to contract a rare disease in suspicious circumstances. Persuading them to give you your GPS receiver back left as an exercise for the reader.
What about e-bikes? As for the air, a human powered airship, where lift is maintained by buoyancy, but propulsion is either wind or human thrust... that's not really any different to a bike then.It certainly is.
I can't read the small print but the signage at the entrance to that byway isn't exactly welcoming: https://goo.gl/maps/ph3AT4Fsbfsu5kbf8I think I found the small print.
The northeast tile looks easier - it is about 150m along the edge of a field once you hop over the fence at the side of the byway. A somewhat dated photo is here: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2356485
NB I am not suggesting that this is a sensible idea!
What about e-bikes? As for the air, a human powered airship, where lift is maintained by buoyancy, but propulsion is either wind or human thrust... that's not really any different to a bike then.It certainly is.
Wind and battery power are definitely cheating here
As for air transport, you are above the tile, not in it. :P
But then I've got tiles by parking up in a layby, walking the length of the layby with my phone tracking me, and getting back in the car, and being driven off. Which is on the edge of reasonable.To me, for my veloviewer adventures that's not on the edge, it's way past it. You didn't get that square by human powered means at all. But your vv map so your rules and there's no reason for you to give a rats arse about my opinion ;D
I have noticed a few people have got tiles in .NL by wind surfing. Not sure how I feel about that.Not human powered. Shouldn't count. Use a kayak if on water.
But then I've got tiles by parking up in a layby, walking the length of the layby with my phone tracking me, and getting back in the car, and being driven off. Which is on the edge of reasonable.I doubt anyone else would think that.
I'd say ebike is not a valid way of bagging tiles.
I feel pretty comfortable about taking a train and then having a day or several out, or going somewhere for a race or audax but not getting myself there / back. The rail network in the uk isn’t so dense as to allow an impressive cluster by walking up and down the platform, getting back on for another stop and repeating. In a similar way, I’m assuming that the tracks you ride round only give a very small number of tiles each.I'd say ebike is not a valid way of bagging tiles.
Electric assist cycling seems fine to me; you're still cycling. Certainly more so than using a train or car to go some of the way and then ride/walk/swim, which seems to be standard practice.
I'm not sure if I've actually visited any tiles by e-bike that I haven't been to by human power, but I'm less concerned about their legitimacy than the handful that I've bagged by driving to a racing circuit and riding round in circles.
I have noticed a few people have got tiles in .NL by wind surfing. Not sure how I feel about that.When a tile can also be bagged in another way then I would consider it rather lame. For example, there's a few places like you describe on the A28 (like between Nunspeet and 't Harde, and just West of Wezep) that can also be bagged with some off-roading. And the tile near Tjeukemeer on the A6 can be done with a kayak (then, while you're at it, bag the rest of Tjeukemeer as well :D).
But then I've got tiles by parking up in a layby, walking the length of the layby with my phone tracking me, and getting back in the car, and being driven off. Which is on the edge of reasonable.
Electric assist cycling seems fine to me; you're still cycling.Except you are doing it with power assist.
Certainly more so than using a train or car to go some of the way and then ride/walk/swim, which seems to be standard practice.Not at all, the challenge is getting the tiles under human power. In places where there are vicious hills, a rarely any flat spots and lots of offroad, riding somewhere to then tile isn't really an option. It's not as if getting the tiles is any easier. It's very slow going regardless. Currently I'd have to ride somewhere, stay overnight, tile, stay overnight again and then ride home. Expensive in both time and money. Plus many of my off road tiling rides are only 25-50km and usually way harder than 150km rides I've done on roads. They can be like cross country trials riding on occasions. I have spent two+ hours in first gear on a tiling ride before now now. A fantastic ride, I should add, but not exactly quick. It took almost three hours to get to the planned 9km marker which ended up being 16km of riding with backtracking and diversions.
I'm not sure if I've actually visited any tiles by e-bike that I haven't been to by human power, but I'm less concerned about their legitimacy than the handful that I've bagged by driving to a racing circuit and riding round in circles.How often do folk tile just a race circuit? Which would be a handful of tiles at very most.
I think wind surfing still takes skill, effort and possible hardship and therefore ok (unlike regular sailing boat); but I've never been on a board, so maybe it's way easier than I think it is.The main difference is that you stand up when windsurfing. Both are wind powered endeavours that take real skill, but are definitely not human powered.
As for military ranges not secured by 2 meter high fences topped with barbed wire: Sundays work best I think. Dress in hi-viz like you belong there ;-)
I'd say ebike is not a valid way of bagging tiles.
Electric assist cycling seems fine to me; you're still cycling. Certainly more so than using a train or car to go some of the way and then ride/walk/swim, which seems to be standard practice.
But your vv map so your rules and there's no reason for you to give a rats arse about my opinion ;D
But your vv map so your rules and there's no reason for you to give a rats arse about my opinion ;D^^That.
I'd say ebike is not a valid way of bagging tiles.
Electric assist cycling seems fine to me; you're still cycling. Certainly more so than using a train or car to go some of the way and then ride/walk/swim, which seems to be standard practice.
I couldn't disagree more. You're on a motorised vehicle. Just because you pedal while it's powered doesn't (in my mind) count.
Attempting to fly over Porton Down ... would be a Mk 1 Bad Idea.
Building on some good forward planning (a ride down to Macclesfield for the start of a 600 a few years ago formed the spine of my cluster down to Cheshire, for example), my cluster is now pretty impressive. Graeme described it as like the spread of a virus ;D I'm sure a tight square is the most efficient way to get a big cluster number, but I quite like having a breadth of places where I can add to it. Not that I'm likely to be riding round Shropshire or Cheshire anytime soon, mind. I think the tiny line heading up to Moffat at the NW edge is quite pleasing.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51874985622_dfa66e855f_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n31RVQ)
Just back from filling in a few gaps north of Eskdale and around Whitby. Back to pushing out the square in spring, audax duties permitting.
Building on some good forward planning (a ride down to Macclesfield for the start of a 600 a few years ago formed the spine of my cluster down to Cheshire, for example), my cluster is now pretty impressive. Graeme described it as like the spread of a virus ;D I'm sure a tight square is the most efficient way to get a big cluster number, but I quite like having a breadth of places where I can add to it. Not that I'm likely to be riding round Shropshire or Cheshire anytime soon, mind. I think the tiny line heading up to Moffat at the NW edge is quite pleasing.Love this cluster Deano… years of effort there! Also it really shows to me how extending the concept of max square to cluster was an essential thing to do. Squares are boring compared to that!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51874985622_dfa66e855f_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n31RVQ)
Just back from filling in a few gaps north of Eskdale and around Whitby. Back to pushing out the square in spring, audax duties permitting.
45 new tiles on @FifeingEejit 's Och-Hills 200 on SaturdayI got no new tiles, not even on the ece, I must try harder
Is the Veloviewer tiles Strava mapper plugin on the blink for other folk too?It is for me - has been since Strava added the “points of interest” option. I’m seeing two of those and if I click the second one it toggles VeloViewer mode!
Todays DIY200 (slightly over distance at 222km) resulted in 159 new tiles and added 305 to the cluster.
Cluster is now 9999 ;D
No, I didn't plan this (would have gone for a nice round 10k)
I remember getting my feet a little muddy walking out onto the salt marsh to make sure I got that tile.Ha, so did I, but looking back at it now you can stay to the sand (beach?) ducking under the trees!
145 new tiles from Sundays Delightful DalesThat’s a huge number of tiles! Do you have a screen grab to share?
10957 tiles
Max square 18x18 still
Max Cluster: 845 still
Walking to the end of Southend Pier and back bagged one new tile :thumbsup:I did that yesterday!
I've just had a similar miss at the far end of the Isle of Sheppey :)))
Tiling on foot last night. 20 km, and for the last 13 km there was no escape. Do, or do not, there is not try.A valiant effort, chapeau
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Portland bringing a whole new meaning to "the end is in sight".
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When I add course points in Garmin Connect they do indeed pop up. It will also include them in the “distance to next” calculation field on screen which is nice.
After.
12157 tiles
Max square 29x29
Max Cluster: 2109
There's now a global heatmap live on VeloViewer with options to filter by number of visits (for anyone, or just by you), and number of athletes. https://veloviewer.com/explorer
(https://veloviewer.com/explorer)
I understand that GDPR may be linked to why the version on RideEveryTile.com was taken down. Understandable, but I did like the ability to see exactly how somebody got into a tile!
7.14% (239/3348)Now 9.74% (332/3409)
Grabbed a couple of awkward tiles that were difficult to get without using the A466 (Chepstow to Monmouth). I know a lot of people think it's a nice road but personally I think it sucks donkey balls. One was gained by doing the Wye Valley Greenway then round to t'other side of the Wye for a heave over Gaer Hill (near St Arvens). First 1000m ride in a very long time. My total for the year is now a rather pathetic 401km but that's 401 better than it was this time last year so I'm looking on the bright side.I grabbed a couple of tiles that are awkward to get without using the A31 on Monday evening. I did it by, well, using the A31. Which, with a 2019 AADF of 66,000 is 3x as busy as the M48 and only marginally less traffic than the M4 at the bridge. :) (It's the direct continuation of the M27).7.14% (239/3348)Now 9.74% (332/3409)
Ah, see, I had a very cheeky trick up my sleeve! I nipped on just before they closed it off.Nicely played. :thumbsup:
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It was the tiles around Stoney Cross that were the main concern. Hard to get to, at least efficiently, by other means.
For 'live' tile bagging on an android phone is there any alternative to osmand+VV helper? OSMand seems to work ok but VV helper is a bag of <expletive deleted>*.
* First it turns on Virtual Rides in the vv update process. Fuck off with that, they are off for a reason (which ought to be obvious). Second it gets stuck in a loop constantly splatting two 'updated' messages across the screen. The only way I could stop it was to uninstall
For 'live' tile bagging on an android phone is there any alternative to osmand+VV helper? OSMand seems to work ok but VV helper is a bag of <expletive deleted>*.
* First it turns on Virtual Rides in the vv update process. Fuck off with that, they are off for a reason (which ought to be obvious). Second it gets stuck in a loop constantly splatting two 'updated' messages across the screen. The only way I could stop it was to uninstall
My pal moved down to Angus, so I've had a couple of trips down there for the first time. Some general riding about and some more attention to tiling routes has got me a corridor down there from Aberdeen now, and a little photodump.Nice pics
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVS_cebguSpv74bJbMFxCugu10rQYeI7XMEyCenVZ4_QJnqxLPw6qeFBVFUo8CNMkO2qvvsbYLfN-JWqDP_gbxs_jIopiPgXryvO8_BiCK20LsihYCjnjiZj2E5hubWhgiKTs63VVXuEnTGb_HKp3aY=w1920-h597-no?authuser=0)
Nice picsCheers :thumbsup: Just iphone pana and 60s of slider play these days. Used to be DLSR and an hour+ of photoshop per image.
3000km of cycling in two months in a total of nine rides: one 400km BRM and eight dedicated tile bagging rides with four of them over 400km. A grand total of 1929 new tiles. I need another ride to connect those to the cluster, but this I can do starting from a Dutch railway station. Which was the point of these two months: getting all the "far away" tiles for a 100+ square.I had considered using my bikepacking kit to be able to do longer multiday rides, but so many of my rides up until now have been a serious challenge to ride and clamber even unladen, that was simply not an option.
https://www.strava.com/clubs/334054/posts/21595809See if this works:
Just dropping this here
Last week my Belgian max cluster went from this:Problem with continental clusters is trying to join them up.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52275211626_eef8fa649c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDo8bb)
belgium cluster before (https://flic.kr/p/2nDo8bb) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
To this:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52274239982_e73ce8210e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDi9kG)
belgium cluster after (https://flic.kr/p/2nDi9kG) by The Pingus (https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_pingus/), on Flickr
I'm not sure how any of these options would be viewed in what used to be the world's busiest shipping lane.
I'm not sure how any of these options would be viewed in what used to be the world's busiest shipping lane.
I expect there's a risk of the home secretary trying to sink you, at the very least...
SUP is the watersport of the moment.I know the French are hot on permits for cross-channel swims, and it's similar with Kayaks - I was thinking you might need three crossings to do it, and thus you could do a modified triathlon. But it's actually fairly easy with a ride through the Chunnel and then a swim or kayak or whatnot back.
(I'm not sure how any of these options would be viewed in what used to be the world's busiest shipping lane.)
Strava has added a feature to hide the start/end of rides. Check on your privacy settings. Seems it is set to 200m by default.Has that not always been so? I'll have a look at it.
Jeez, West Yorkshire is hilly. But I pushed my square up to 56x56 ;DWow, can we see it?
Assuming Deano is enjoying a well-earned lie in
Something a lot like this:
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Jeez, West Yorkshire is hilly. But I pushed my square up to 56x56 ;DWow, can we see it?
Jeez, West Yorkshire is hilly. But I pushed my square up to 56x56 ;DYorkshire is pretty lumpy in general, bar Doncaster. But Donny is best avoided if possible. ;D
The state of affairs after my new-years-day DIY
Cluster now 16008, after visiting 6870 new tiles in 2022.
The state of affairs after my new-years-day DIY
Cluster now 16008, after visiting 6870 new tiles in 2022.
Non been here for a while. What do people use to plan explorer rides these days? Did Strava remove veloviewer tile functionality from their route creator? Can't seem to find it.You need to install the Chrome extension.
You need to install the Chrome extension.
Non been here for a while. What do people use to plan explorer rides these days? Did Strava remove veloviewer tile functionality from their route creator? Can't seem to find it.
Regarding "losing tiles", has anyone noticed VV doing this at the turn of the year ? Am wondering if VV optimises old rides once/year and that led to my tile total reducing by 59 recently since I last noted it at the end of October
I also have signed up with a Veloviewer imitation/inspired site called Squadrats which has a very good plugin that works well with several sites. i use it on RidewithGPS
(https://plumzenduro.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/rwgps-for-planning.jpg)
Judging by the map, identical:I also have signed up with a Veloviewer imitation/inspired site called Squadrats which has a very good plugin that works well with several sites. i use it on RidewithGPS
(https://plumzenduro.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/rwgps-for-planning.jpg)
How different are the squadrats, sizewise, from tiles?
I'm loathe to sign up for another one, but I can't stand the Strava route maker, and binning that off would make me happy.
... I would say this is not the case, if it was going to affect anyone it would be these guys who on average gain from 5k to 10K of new tiles per year
... if you change a security setting (or maybe strava itself as they now cut of the start and end of rides) Strava then flags your rides affected as changed, veloviewer then reimports them and this has appled its latest algorithm to rides and removed tiles. This definately happened in 2021 to several people.
Non been here for a while. What do people use to plan explorer rides these days? Did Strava remove veloviewer tile functionality from their route creator? Can't seem to find it.
this site https://vv.fork.pl/ allows you to add a custom layer to different route planners. i use it with the brouter.de site and it works very well
(https://plumzenduro.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/brouter-for-planning.jpg)
I also have signed up with a Veloviewer imitation/inspired site called Squadrats which has a very good plugin that works well with several sites. i use it on RidewithGPS
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Non been here for a while. What do people use to plan explorer rides these days? Did Strava remove veloviewer tile functionality from their route creator? Can't seem to find it.
this site https://vv.fork.pl/ allows you to add a custom layer to different route planners. i use it with the brouter.de site and it works very well
(https://plumzenduro.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/brouter-for-planning.jpg)
I also have signed up with a Veloviewer imitation/inspired site called Squadrats which has a very good plugin that works well with several sites. i use it on RidewithGPS
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Thanks for this. :) Just tested it out with Brouter. I can get the basic grid, but no colour coding / cluster data is shown.
Did you feed your VeloViewer ID into the vv.fork.pl page, set the access permissions and press the 'Refresh Explorer Stats' button?
Nope, I'm missing a few squadrats where I've them accredited by Veloviewer.As far as I can determine I'm missing one.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230116/ebc3b2d0885bc48e74c551197de00a18.jpg)I feel I have southerly bias. 2/3 of my max square is south of my home.
Is there a problem with the Strava Veloviewer extension in Chrome? It doesn't seem to come up any longer when editing routes for me.I concur. Was working last week. Just going to plan some title grabbing over the weekend and it has disappeared.
Looks like Strava have changed the route edit page a bit - I`m guessing this might have messed it up.
Caught on military grounds ✅ on foreign soil ✅
Most likely my last "naughty" tile for a 100 square, and the only that might have gotten me in trouble. Luckily it was a forester and not the MP, and he was mostly perplexed that someone would still wander into an area with "Danger of Deth, here be unexploded ordnance" signs repeated every 100m at the perimeter. (I don't have a death wish, it was 300 meters on a well maintained and clear track with recent tyre marks)
Fortunately my German was good enough to apologise and blame my GPS and bad enough to be dismissed as Another Dumb Dutchman ;). Already on my way back to the perimeter and dressed in hi-viz clothing may have added to the story of an innocent dimwit and I soon was sent on my way with a parting "schönes Wochenende"
The adventure of tiling ;D
I don't think I'd have got away with that for the Lulworth one, given, y'know, the padlocked gate.Caught on military grounds ✅ on foreign soil ✅
Most likely my last "naughty" tile for a 100 square, and the only that might have gotten me in trouble. Luckily it was a forester and not the MP, and he was mostly perplexed that someone would still wander into an area with "Danger of Deth, here be unexploded ordnance" signs repeated every 100m at the perimeter. (I don't have a death wish, it was 300 meters on a well maintained and clear track with recent tyre marks)
Fortunately my German was good enough to apologise and blame my GPS and bad enough to be dismissed as Another Dumb Dutchman ;). Already on my way back to the perimeter and dressed in hi-viz clothing may have added to the story of an innocent dimwit and I soon was sent on my way with a parting "schönes Wochenende"
The adventure of tiling ;D
It's amazing what you can get away with if you blame Google maps. That's saved my arse a couple of times.
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Caught on military grounds ✅ on foreign soil ✅Which bit of DE was that?
Most likely my last "naughty" tile for a 100 square, and the only that might have gotten me in trouble. Luckily it was a forester and not the MP, and he was mostly perplexed that someone would still wander into an area with "Danger of Deth, here be unexploded ordnance" signs repeated every 100m at the perimeter. (I don't have a death wish, it was 300 meters on a well maintained and clear track with recent tyre marks)
Fortunately my German was good enough to apologise and blame my GPS and bad enough to be dismissed as Another Dumb Dutchman ;). Already on my way back to the perimeter and dressed in hi-viz clothing may have added to the story of an innocent dimwit and I soon was sent on my way with a parting "schönes Wochenende"
The adventure of tiling ;D
Caught on military grounds ✅ on foreign soil ✅Which bit of DE was that?
Most likely my last "naughty" tile for a 100 square, and the only that might have gotten me in trouble. Luckily it was a forester and not the MP, and he was mostly perplexed that someone would still wander into an area with "Danger of Deth, here be unexploded ordnance" signs repeated every 100m at the perimeter. (I don't have a death wish, it was 300 meters on a well maintained and clear track with recent tyre marks)
Fortunately my German was good enough to apologise and blame my GPS and bad enough to be dismissed as Another Dumb Dutchman ;). Already on my way back to the perimeter and dressed in hi-viz clothing may have added to the story of an innocent dimwit and I soon was sent on my way with a parting "schönes Wochenende"
The adventure of tiling ;D
I failed in Niederkrüchten and unless I take up golf I will not get that tile.
That Squadrats plugin is great for plotting in RideWithGPS, I like it, except it's alerted me to a missing square smack bang in the middle of my max square :facepalm:That might just be the ride is private, worth reviewing.
Back down to 11x11...
Nope, I actually haven't been through it.That Squadrats plugin is great for plotting in RideWithGPS, I like it, except it's alerted me to a missing square smack bang in the middle of my max square :facepalm:That might just be the ride is private, worth reviewing.
Back down to 11x11...
Once going through privacy settings I haven't spotted a single mismatch with VV.
Upped the square to 106x106 today.
At the weekend I added 13 new tiles to the east of my main cluster round Woking. My square/cluster extends further to the west of my home than to the east - it's just more pleasant cycling to the west than to the east.Well done Salvatore, your square is pretty-much my target for the next few years! I have completed from Eastbourne, in the South East, up to the South West tip of your cluster basically.
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A couple of years ago I managed all the military ranges round Aldershot, Bisley etc without getting arrested. Or shot.
Next week I'm going to try to fill in some missing tiles in my secondary cluster on the Machars peninsula,
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including this one, which should be doable without getting my feet wet if I time it right.
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Finally got Fife done, quite a few tiles with no paths, never mind roads, but good practice for beyond!How did you manage to get your cluster over the Queensferry crossing? I'm working my Edinburgh/East Lothian cluster east and down for now, but thinking for the future. Dean went the long way via Kincardine, but that's miles away.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52822101407_37ac869300_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2otH5sk)fife (https://flic.kr/p/2otH5sk)
Tiles 4534, Cluster 1706, square 20x20. Next targets
1) to increase the square.
2) Cluster Coast to Coast
3) Cluster to Berwick
How did you manage to get your cluster over the Queensferry crossing? I'm working my Edinburgh/East Lothian cluster east and down for now, but thinking for the future. Dean went the long way via Kincardine, but that's miles away.
Ah, gotcha. I’ve got a few paddle board squares and I know a couple of people who kayak in the Forth, might have to go do that thenQuoteHow did you manage to get your cluster over the Queensferry crossing? I'm working my Edinburgh/East Lothian cluster east and down for now, but thinking for the future. Dean went the long way via Kincardine, but that's miles away.
Paddleboard. Hoping to use it to get the whole of the Inner Forth. But am very much a fair weather paddler, so will need to wait for a perfect day. There are a few muddy tiles accessible on foot at very low tides in the vicinity of the bridges.
But Kincardine is doable and I had done that first before getting across the QC. The paddleboard also enabled me to do Loch Leven which means I could up my max square a lot.
Did you take your phone out of your pocket with just one hand just to get that picture? Can see a few potential perils in that manoeuvre!
Looks like you've had the board out on the inner Tay around Errol as well? That's what's blocking the South-East corner of my meagre square. Impressive effort!
Looks like you've had the board out on the inner Tay around Errol as well? That's what's blocking the South-East corner of my meagre square. Impressive effort!
No, everything there is accessed by land only. I'm not sure about the Tay by board - bigger flow, fewer access points, a lot of mud... There is one tile I have my eye on near Errol which I should be able to access at Low tide. If I can get that it adds two tiles to the eastern boundary of what will be my max square.
25 new squares by commuting back from London to Bedfordshire last night. Some of them "new" because they're from the pre-GPS North London stamping ground.I’ve been adding in a few pre-GPS rides recently, tours and such. I like being able to see them all on a map. I know it’s not the game, but I’m unlikely to ever be bothering the leaderboards, so I’m ok with that.
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Good luck. I'm hemmed in by several squares up the estuary. I'd like to get them all down to the 2nd bridge but I'm not certain I'm brave enough, search for sea kayaking and there's plenty about with a notable lack of it in the lower reaches of the Severn.I think that's something I'd work up to, as someone who has only taken to the water a couple of times. I'm pretty sure I'll be setting the groundwork on either side of the estuary before the big day, but I'm not much inclined to go up as far as Sharpness to cross a cluster over.
When are you planning to do this? Schedule conflicts permitting happy to head down with a pair of binoculars & a mobile phone!
but I'm not much inclined to go up as far as Sharpness to cross a cluster over.You can 'cross' the Severn a couple of rows south of sharpness:
The Sharpness route was indeed my original plan for making a crossing, and certainly are still an option. However, the logistics of getting a cluster up that far on both sides make it a bit of a faff. Maybe less of a faff than sorting out somewhere to park the bike, boat downstream, and then get back to the bike, but maybe not.but I'm not much inclined to go up as far as Sharpness to cross a cluster over.You can 'cross' the Severn a couple of rows south of sharpness:
(https://soretween.altervista.org/misc/MidSevern.jpg)
The problem squares shown above North to South areThere is one square on the West bank further South with zero visits on the VV heatmap that can be obtained perfectly legally and safely. Useless as the river is too wide to 'cross' that far south.
- Two squares East of Etloe: the only land in that square is right up against the fence of Slimbridge. Requires extreme trespass and not giving a sh1t about disturbing the birds which do not understand the concept of a fence so will be outside Slimbridge just as much as inside. A few bellends have that square that way. A vigorous paddle along the West shore from Salmon Putchers shortly before high tide might get it safe-ishly.
- Shepperdine Sands. There's rocks there visible at low tide East side (use the satellite view on VV) and even some kind of light out on them. However, there's a good yardage of mud/sand between the bank & the rocks even at the narrowest point & low tide, I was there to check last week :-), see the tick right to the shore in the Shepperdine square. Another square for bellends only, the rescue teams have better things to do. A rapid paddle out & back from Plusterwine? Maybe.
- Beacon Sand Not hard to figure out who owns that patch of shore. Knock & ask permission or be a bellend. As you can see I've done neither.
- East of Beacon Sand, Narwood Rocks and several more obvious ones south of the above screenshot - full on aquatic only.
25 new squares by commuting back from London to Bedfordshire last night. Some of them "new" because they're from the pre-GPS North London stamping ground.I’ve been adding in a few pre-GPS rides recently, tours and such. I like being able to see them all on a map. I know it’s not the game, but I’m unlikely to ever be bothering the leaderboards, so I’m ok with that.
(no image, cos I'm computer stupid)
25 new squares by commuting back from London to Bedfordshire last night. Some of them "new" because they're from the pre-GPS North London stamping ground.
(no image, cos I'm computer stupid)
Now I've got all the tiles I avoid Luton if at all possible.
I have done that and can see the proper trace of the ride but the tile map in Veloviewer still shows the straight lines.
Click on it. That will open the detailed view.
J
Also, on your activities page you can add a "Tiles calculated" to only show rides that have not had their precision updated. Click on all rides in that list to prevent surprises later on.This creates a very, very long list.
Also, on your activities page you can add a "Tiles calculated" to only show rides that have not had their precision updated. Click on all rides in that list to prevent surprises later on.This creates a very, very long list.
I have clicked on rides that have shown straight lines which brings up an accurate map of the individual ride but does not change the tile map after refreshing
Thanks. I was worried about claiming tiles that I shouldn't have. After lots of checking I found one that won't effect my max square or cluster. See pic. I was on the road so should have the top right tile instead of bottom left.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230530/a129a657b1fed40dbaa752338b1dba68.jpg)Also, on your activities page you can add a "Tiles calculated" to only show rides that have not had their precision updated. Click on all rides in that list to prevent surprises later on.This creates a very, very long list.
I have clicked on rides that have shown straight lines which brings up an accurate map of the individual ride but does not change the tile map after refreshing
I think that the tracks on the 'tile map' on the Activities tab are simplified to speed up processing. This seems more noticeable on the longer rides so there may be a limit on the number of points displayed per ride.
A bit of a 600k on the Activities tab:
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...and the same bit on the individual ride page:
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Thanks. I was worried about claiming tiles that I shouldn't have.What Pingu said. Not sure how you checked, but when I set up Squadrats it scanned my entire history and alerted me to a couple of weird ones (see reply #2635!)
Yesterday, a loop of new tiles along the seafront of the New Forest.Nice one, I did Hurst Point very recently. Just need some more Isle of Wight riding to connect it all up now!
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Today, I plan a figure 8 loop to fill the interior.
(https://i.ibb.co/82DPN39/image.png) (http://'https://ibb.co/mtChbs4')
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Yes, I do have designs on the IOW...
Nice one, I did Hurst Point very recently. Just need some more Isle of Wight riding to connect it all up now!It isn't quite that straightforward to jump the cluster across, as this tile here is key:
Oh blimey ok thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was possible via the three tiles in a reverse L-shape belowNice one, I did Hurst Point very recently. Just need some more Isle of Wight riding to connect it all up now!It isn't quite that straightforward to jump the cluster across, as this tile here is key:
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Should be a fairly straightforward Kayak from Norton, but this is the Solent we're talking about...
Oh blimey ok thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was possible via the three tiles in a reverse L-shape belowThe fundamental problem is that it's just not quite wide enough.
Lovely part of the world. Lived in Southampton in my pre-tiling days and while I didn't like the city, the New Forest was a lovely escape- especially out of season.May well be, definitely one to work up to as a beginner!
Good luck with the paddling - safety in numbers a good bet- a VV kayak trip would be a good idea :-)
Swim. Or wade when the tide's out.
247 new tiles while taking part in TransScotlans23Nice one, looked an interesting ride. Would you mind linking to your profile? I'd really like to see how you've coloured in the Borders.
11641 tiles
Max square 18x18 still!
Max Cluster: 848
247 new tiles while taking part in TransScotlans23Nice one, looked an interesting ride. Would you mind linking to your profile? I'd really like to see how you've coloured in the Borders.
11641 tiles
Max square 18x18 still!
Max Cluster: 848
:thumbsup:247 new tiles while taking part in TransScotlans23Nice one, looked an interesting ride. Would you mind linking to your profile? I'd really like to see how you've coloured in the Borders.
11641 tiles
Max square 18x18 still!
Max Cluster: 848
Let me know if this doesn't work
https://veloviewer.com/athlete/206361/activities?o=0:1&f=0:-1000000|1000000,1:All,5:-1000000|1000000,6:-1000000|1000000&c=0,0,5,6,9 (https://veloviewer.com/athlete/206361/activities?o=0:1&f=0:-1000000|1000000,1:All,5:-1000000|1000000,6:-1000000|1000000&c=0,0,5,6,9)
I've coloured it in not very well, there's not many roads, and i can't be arsed hiking through fields247 new tiles while taking part in TransScotlans23Nice one, looked an interesting ride. Would you mind linking to your profile? I'd really like to see how you've coloured in the Borders.
11641 tiles
Max square 18x18 still!
Max Cluster: 848
Before/After tiles and a photodump selection. Let me know if the photos don't show up - I don't do this often enough to remember the coding very well >:(
Before/After tiles and a photodump selection. Let me know if the photos don't show up - I don't do this often enough to remember the coding very well >:(
Photos aren't working for me :(
J
Looks like you've had the board out on the inner Tay around Errol as well? That's what's blocking the South-East corner of my meagre square. Impressive effort!
No, everything there is accessed by land only. I'm not sure about the Tay by board - bigger flow, fewer access points, a lot of mud... There is one tile I have my eye on near Errol which I should be able to access at Low tide. If I can get that it adds two tiles to the eastern boundary of what will be my max square.
Ah, I can see that now on a bigger screen. Those reed beds make it hard to tell what's land and what isn't on the satellite view. There's a few tiles along there that look like they might just be possible by getting your feet wet but I've not been right down to the shore to investigate. Will be interested to hear if you manage it.
Was being at Kingoodie at low tide by accident or design?
First max square and cluster action for ages! 8 new tiles today increased the cluster by 24 to 2140. The max square remains at 23 and I have 4 of them still.
RAF Marham isn't an impossible tile, is it? Hah, but it is in line with RAF Lakenheath...Presume you mean this one.
Do the nations of the United Kingdom count?
I'd say number of countries your cluster includes would be a good metric too...
J
Ah, but those aren't your max cluster are they ?
In the multi country rides. My max currently is 4 in one ride (lu, be, de, NL). I recently tried to do 5 in one, but scratched at 165km cos I was fed up and didn't fancy another 90km it headwinds in the rain. I plan on a second attempt tho.
But it take a bit of work to get my cluster firstly down the Limburg, then across the Ardennes to Luxembourg. So I think for now 3 is good going. I'm guessing Ivo has 4. And I can't remember where Zed's cluster stops...
J
This would be a challenge. But, I mean, not completely impossible. ;D
Ah, but those aren't your max cluster are they ?
In the multi country rides. My max currently is 4 in one ride (lu, be, de, NL). I recently tried to do 5 in one, but scratched at 165km cos I was fed up and didn't fancy another 90km it headwinds in the rain. I plan on a second attempt tho.
But it take a bit of work to get my cluster firstly down the Limburg, then across the Ardennes to Luxembourg. So I think for now 3 is good going. I'm guessing Ivo has 4. And I can't remember where Zed's cluster stops...
J
don't bother, no GPS signal in the tunnel :PNothing a distance sensor and the little python script I made for showing simulated virtual rides on the route loaded wouldn't fix :)
You can upload a GPX here: https://veloviewer.com/routes/0Perfect thank you. (a route I have in mind should give me ~350 new tiles)
I think you will have to count the tiles manually.
don't bother, no GPS signal in the tunnel :P
don't bother, no GPS signal in the tunnel :P
Just swim... or kayak... :p
Far too much effort. Kayak is prime option, although it would be really fitting to have some kind of pedalo.don't bother, no GPS signal in the tunnel :P
Just swim... or kayak... :p
Gossamer Albatross tactics?
And my other bit of action lately, a ferry trip to Aberdeen and a 5 day tour round the north east - Aberdeen - Portsoy - Elgin- Elgin - Portsoy - AberdeenGreat photos. Inspiring
Route planning was a surgical out and back parallel putting a corridor all the way through to Nairn, but things didn't quite work out, with a couple of missed tiles and Culbin forest not turning out to be so easy to navigate, but mostly putting in a shortcut on the Portsoy to Aberdeen return as there was a strong southerly wind and I wanted a bit more buffer to make sure I caught the ferry.
In the end though 5 great days riding over a big mix of surfaces, mostly on road but a fair bit of forestry and coastal paths and the random farm tracks cutting across from road to road, and blazing sun every day, fully maxing out my sun tan ;)
This is more where my interest is at the moment, playing join the dots of places by interesting corridors on little holiday trips.
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Hi folks,What about things that came before? eg the Degree Confluence Project, and Geograph. Maybe they helped to inspire tiling.
Love this ongoing thread :-). I am trying to write down the history of tiling as best I remember it. What I have so far is at https://rideeverytile.com/history-of-tiling but there's likely important bits I'm missing. If you have any thoughts/remembrances/ideas for the article (or, indeed, the site) please let me have them!
Thanks, Pete.
Up to 42 x 42 today. Nothing as aspirational as the adventures above.
Got Bicester knocked off which I had been putting off for ages for obvious reasons.
Getting to 43x43 is going to take some planning/cunning as i'm hemmed in by HS2 currently.
I did a couple of rides on the weekend, totally about 230k and added 54 tiles and 4 to my square taking it to 24x24.They ought to be possible around there, Jonathan France managed an absolutely humongous max square.
I think I'm stuck in most directions with private land so my squadratinos lunch explorations are probably going to move towards increasing yardage.
That’s basically the Max Square that I’m aiming for before retirement! So incredibly impressiveI don't have a hope with square, being confined by the coast on two sides and Porton Down on a third, so it's clusters for me.
The button shows in the preview but not in the main planner... Hmm.
The button shows in the preview but not in the main planner... Hmm.
Are you having the same issue then?
It works in Komoot it seems, so definitely looks to be a RWGPS+Squadrats issue. Weirdly though my Canary browser seems to have shat the bed with regards webGL at the same time. I wonder if a Windows update or browser update broke both at once.
“Intolerance to Drive and Ride” !!!!! The whole point in creating a Max Square, is surely, the achievement of EVERY ride (Apart from Races or Events) being from your HOME. The further the achieved Tile is from home, the greater the sense of achievement and ride enjoyment. 200-600km+ are regularly ridden as Audax DIYs, so you have MANY Rides yet to look forward to, and enjoy. Obviously Water based Tiles cannot be ridden by Bike, so transporting a Canoe etc is just acceptable Common Sense
“Intolerance to Drive and Ride” !!!!! The whole point in creating a Max Square, is surely, the achievement of EVERY ride (Apart from Races or Events) being from your HOME. The further the achieved Tile is from home, the greater the sense of achievement and ride enjoyment. 200-600km+ are regularly ridden as Audax DIYs, so you have MANY Rides yet to look forward to, and enjoy. Obviously Water based Tiles cannot be ridden by Bike, so transporting a Canoe etc is just acceptable Common Sense
“Intolerance to Drive and Ride” !!!!! The whole point in creating a Max Square, is surely, the achievement of EVERY ride (Apart from Races or Events) being from your HOME. The further the achieved Tile is from home, the greater the sense of achievement and ride enjoyment. 200-600km+ are regularly ridden as Audax DIYs, so you have MANY Rides yet to look forward to, and enjoy. Obviously Water based Tiles cannot be ridden by Bike, so transporting a Canoe etc is just acceptable Common Sense
'The whole point' for me at least is enjoying exploring different areas by bike... :) If for some rides, I start cycling somewhere distant from home via car, or train - so be it; not too worried about not being overly'hairshirt'Audax about it. In any event many people actually drive / train to the start of audax events... ;)
The trouble with driving to ride is that if you project the concept to the extreme you get people stopping in a layby, walking round their car and driving to the next tile. It's a ridiculous extreme I've not seen done but it's what is at the bottom of the drive to ride slippery slope. How far towards that point you are prepared to go is entirely up to the individual.
Personally, I'll carry on driving to audax because I was doing that before I started on veloviewer. I've taken public transport to/from holidays and was driven to the start of one this year. I'll do a ride out from somewhere I was going anyway such as visiting relatives. But drive just to ride is out. Drive to walk to a square that cannot be obtained legally by bike is in my rules but I have to connect the walk to somewhere I've ridden to, I've filled in a few gaps that way.
The trouble with driving to ride is that if you project the concept to the extreme you get people stopping in a layby, walking round their car and driving to the next tile.Tile 8454 x 5345 requires a kayak or you can take your car on the A6 motorway (in the Netherlands), stop at the parking area, walk around and bag the tile. I've seen it done.
This "ride from your home" idea is just a slippery slope! People can move houses! All rides should have to start within 50m of where you were born!
This "ride from your home" idea is just a slippery slope! People can move houses! All rides should have to start within 50m of where you were born!
I did think through an open world zwift-a-like where you could explore onwards forever, maybe with some terrain being harder to ride/navigate etc to get that tile.This "ride from your home" idea is just a slippery slope! People can move houses! All rides should have to start within 50m of where you were born!
Hell, you shouldn't even leave your home. Only rides on zwift should count!
The trouble with driving to ride is that if you project the concept to the extreme you get people stopping in a layby, walking round their car and driving to the next tile. It's a ridiculous extreme I've not seen done but it's what is at the bottom of the drive to ride slippery slope. How far towards that point you are prepared to go is entirely up to the individual.
I've taken the train to do rides. A lot. I wouldn't ride as much if I didn't. And as you can't easily include only certain rides in veloviewer, it all counts.Veloviewer can filter by name/description. So could add a tag for anything starting from home.
This debate sounds so German for me....
On the plus side makes them motorway tiles much easier ;DThis "ride from your home" idea is just a slippery slope! People can move houses! All rides should have to start within 50m of where you were born!
Hell, you shouldn't even leave your home. Only rides on zwift should count!
A walk in Glen Tanar increased the max cluster by 3 to 2144.
That's impressive paddyirish.
Looks like it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to add Glasgow to that Cluster, working your way up to Aberdeen might be a more worthy challenge :thumbsup:.
Have you got all of Clackmannanshire and Kinrossshire as well as all of Fife?
I have one to get in City of Edinburgh (behind a 8ft tall fence, so will need to access by sea)
Christmas Mk2 at my father-in-law's provided the opportunity to extend the 45 mile direct route, and pick up 39 new tiles and extend the cluster by 55 to 2122.That reminds me of my massive cluster expansion ride in the same area, although it was much more scattered gap filling:
A break in the weather meant that there was no lashing rain (just a few light showers before dawn), but just the vicious headwind, which was (mercifully?) consistent, rather than terrifyingly gusty. Slow going, therefore, but once my overambitious breakfast (6 weetabix, slightly stale, pint of tea) had gone down, not too terrible. I had the rather unwise idea to cross the Thames at Duxford ford. "Do not cross in high water" the sign said, but without any indication of how to judge the height. My feet were wet anyway, from a flooded footpath earlier, so I gamely shouldered the bike and strode out into the current. Four paces later, and with the water over my knees, I gamely turned around. There was, I knew, a footpath to a bridge I could follow, so that's what I did. It was fine, if a little muddy until it was flooded. I gamely shouldered the bike and strode out once more. It, too, was fine. The next flooded bit was fine too. Then they began to become less fine. One was distinctly sketchy - I climbed up the bank and walked along the field margin. I began to lose count of the flooded portions. At one point the crown of a freshly fallen tree blocked the path entirely. Unwilling to return without a fight I snapped branches off until I'd made enough of a gap to post the bike through sideways, with only cosmetic damage to a shifter...
All of these shenanigans slowed me down somewhat, and a quick map check revealed that smileywife and smileyboys were imminent, so I cut off the planned loop to get the 8 tiles to the northwest of Standlake. Still got there before they did, and only knocked about 7km off the route in total, so I should have just stuck it out. Would have added a further 21 tiles to the cluster with that as well. Ah, well, there's always next time. Nevertheless, it was a good adventure.
(and, unrelated, the next day we spotted an audaxer on the Cumnor Road. I was more excited by this than my wife was. I didn't think it was likely to be an audax, but turns out it was the Festive 500 ride from Bristol to Cambridge and back)
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Have finally given into the temptation, so am just starting to fill in the gaps in rides that criss-cross the country from years of Audax, club runs, trips to my caravan in Selsey and commutes. It has already enticed me down a few dead ends that I've left behind. There are a few squares like the one in Hackwood Park that will have to wait until April or May when the gravel tracks have dried out and are no longer knee deep in water - so I expect that my max square won't get much bigger than 12x12 until then.
Squaredax in Herts this week - Hemel Hempstead routing fail...
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but max square pretty good - now on two 52x52:
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I've started collecting BCQs at the same time as squares, so ticked off most of the Hertfordshire BCQs on the same ride. Fun fun fun!
Lovely square by the way, mine nearly butts up to yours from the South West, so would look great combined!
ahhhh, imagine a combined YACF max square...
It wouldn't be too hard to patch together some KML exports.ahhhh, imagine a combined YACF max square...
This really ought to be a thing. No, I'm not offering to do it.
The YACF max cluster might be interesting...
The YACF max cluster might be interesting...
Maybe we could ask Ride Every Tile to add a Club filter to the heatmap...
I think that site is no longer being updated. Can you see this from Veloviewer (https://veloviewer.com/explorer)?
I thought that the heatmap had disappeared so I Googled it, found it (https://rideeverytile.com/heatmap) and didn't really understand what I was looking at as it was showing blank tiles in my max square.I think you must manually upload your rides to rideeverytile.com There appears to be no sync with Strava >:(
Statshunters can theoretically create a heatmap for a club. I gave up after waiting for an hour for something to appear.The YACF max cluster might be interesting...Maybe we could ask Ride Every Tile to add a Club filter to the heatmap...
Would be good to include the YACFers on this side of the water too. I'm curious how much of .NL Ivo, Zed43, and myself cover...
J
I know that it isn't quite what people were talking about but...
I got bored and downloaded the tiles of the top 10 Uk-based, non-private, YACF clusterers (Deano to Graeme). This is what it looks like:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53586760111_bf9b4302a3_c.jpg)
That white blob east of Oxford is Luton which seems understandable ;)
Coo, that is impressive! I'm particularly impressed at filling in the Fens... My data is private too (I got fed up with local men I don't know asking to follow me and giving kudos). Otherwise I could contribute Luton. ;D
The Luton-Dunstable old railway line is now a busway path and is rather nice! Thanks for the piccie Jon, that's excellent. :thumbsup:
VeloViewer privacy settings do not respect your Strava privacy zones. Someone on another forum PMed me my address from my VeloViewer data when it was public (in a "this is what I have discovered from your public data, you might want to change that" manner, not a creepy manner). So my VV data is staying private, while my Strava data is public (I'm fortunate to never have had any issues with this).
I'm naturally concerned about this as my data is public on VV but followers only on strava.I think you might be right, actually, having had a look at your Activities on VeloViewer. It's certainly harder to work out the more uploads there are...
I've just checked by looking at someone I follow on Strava and who's VV data is public. Their rides on veloviewer are shown to start and stop at the boundary of their privacy zone, just as they do in Strava .
Random accident meant I got a new bike recently, and a nice break in the March weather opened up for a quick test run.
Back round the NE of Scotland again, as that was the only place with any sun. Usual mixture of mostly back roads, but with some off-roading thrown in some places too. Mostly a bit of a tile tidy up than real new ground, but some extras bits done. Fine and sunny the whole way, mostly a medium cross wind and not that warm, but good for the time of year.
Aberdeen-Rosehearty-Elgin-Elgin, finishing off with a train to Dyce and a day ride coastal before back to the ferry.
..... a day ride coastal before back to the ferry....
Took the advantage of a socking great tailwind and light Sunday morning traffic to nick the tile that only has the A303 on it by Popham Services
Took the advantage of a socking great tailwind and light Sunday morning traffic to nick the tile that only has the A303 on it by Popham Services
That sounds like the tile which can also be bagged by going to the western extremity of the grounds of Basingstoke crematorium.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53644903158_87226d23a2_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pJq9Kq)
When I did that one it was straight along the A303 at 3am, as part of an overnight dynamo shakedown ride from London at sunset to Stonehenge at sunrise. All other rides in the area came later.Took the advantage of a socking great tailwind and light Sunday morning traffic to nick the tile that only has the A303 on it by Popham Services
That sounds like the tile which can also be bagged by going to the western extremity of the grounds of Basingstoke crematorium.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53644903158_87226d23a2_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pJq9Kq)
That's the one. Though when I looked, the Crem didn't seem to quite make it. Anyway, it's bagged now, as were three more isolated ones on the way back from Oxford today - I am running out of options to add squares on my Oxford commutes. In a few weeks time, when things have dried up, I will pick up those that require gravel tracks. Including Hackwood Park, which will immediately turn my 12 x 12 into a 17 x 17 or 18 x 18.
I take it I’m not the only one who has entered an event with tile-bagging(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240412/34e00d71c788b8e5a8651bd7c1789fd4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240414/f40462c0452b2a685772bcc60d2b4d49.jpg)
in-mind!?