2012 Mersey Roads 24TT

[blackburnrod]

  Here is the latest PROVISIONAL result.Several riders have had mileage increased after researching anomalies caused by riders being  missed by checkers due mainly to obscured numbers.One honest rider stated his mileage was too great and investigation showed that he was recorded twice at Prees with times right for a lap of Quina circuit,but he had in fact sat in the cafe for that time,and this was confirmed from a secondary check elsewhere on the Q circuit   .
  There were no computer crashes as reported elsewhere!
                                       
                                             
Name    Club   Category      24 hour Distance   12 hour Distance   Calculated 100 mile time      Age   Gp   POS      Vets Standard   Vets Variance   VTTA   
Ultan Coyle   Rapha Condor CC         488.993   258.837   04:11:35      33            0         
Stuart Birnie   Willesden CC         480.723   246.784   04:28:56      33            0         
Ishmael Burdeau   GS Gazzetta         472.332   250.859   04:29:17      44   A   WIN      0         
Peter Moon   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      471.180   249.391   04:26:41      51   C   WIN      339.82   131.36      
Gregory Woodford   Reading CC         462.605   248.371   04:39:17      51   C         0         
Simon Bever   Twickenham CC         459.711   241.241   04:36:59      49   B   WIN      0         
Steven Abraham   North Bucks RC         448.193   238.208   04:45:17      37            0         
Ian Wilson   Deeside Thistle CC   V      445.160   235.328   04:45:17      44   A         359.28   85.88      
Sam Williamson   Hemel Hempstead CC         444.643   239.628   04:36:38      49   B         0         
Kevin Thomas   Kingston Wheelers         440.995   234.648   05:49:41      51   C         0         
Lynne Taylor   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles   W      438.128   235.039   04:37:38      43   A         0         
Toby Hopper   Cardiff Ajax         432.663   229.434   04:44:20      32            0         
Chris Hopkinson   Army Cycling Union         432.506   238.869   04:30:59      44   A         0         
Richard Parrotte   Shaftesbury CC   V      428.269   233.964   04:40:59      47   B         350.57   77.70      
Mark Gray   Derby Mercury RC         426.235   230.357   04:52:59      42   A         0         
Dadswell / Bloom   Antelope RT / Born to Bike   Tand.Tri.Mx      424.806   227.654   04:43:41      0            0         
Nigel Jones   Hereford & District Wheelers         423.363   222.066   05:04:41      43   A         0         
Stuart Edwards   RNRMCA   V      422.748   227.066   04:47:20      47   B         350.57   72.18      
Matthew Scholes   South Western RC         418.382   232.010   04:47:41      37            0         
Andy Denyer   Lewes Wanderers         418.164   224.513   04:51:19      45   B         0         
Laurence Hewetson   BAD Tri         415.228   225.737   04:45:38      37            0         
John Forbes   Birkenhead North End CC         414.570   224.493   04:52:23      47   B         0         
Andrew Waddington   Portsmouth North End CC         412.636   231.893   04:44:23      43   A         0         
John Cornfield   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         410.992   226.957   04:43:47      22            0         
David Parkes   Coventry RC   V      410.735   216.673   04:46:20      57   D   WIN      323.55   87.18      
Simon Gent   Shaftesbury CC         410.127   222.792   04:51:41      39            0         
Neil Ridsdale   Bridlington CC   V      409.158   222.434   05:03:02      54   C         331.84   77.32      
Nicholas Long   Kenton RC         407.625   220.492   04:59:02      23            0         
Hefin Jones   Rhos-on-Wye & District CC         406.579   219.949   04:49:23      36            0         
Tom Deakins   Flitchbikes.co.uk         406.033   220.025   04:32:05      54   C         0         
Ian Hennessey   Exeter Wheelers CC         405.286   219.847   04:57:30      59   D         0         
Roger Squire   Fibrax Wrexham RC         391.277   212.795   05:08:44      43   A         0         
Frank Proud   Westerley         390.941   219.164   05:02:05      45   B         0         
Tabitha Rendall   Club Cyclopark   VW      389.039   210.939   05:10:41      41   A         333.61   55.43      
Jacqueline Hobson   Warwickshire RC   VW      388.198   203.865   05:19:23      47   B         317.63   70.57      
Fred Newton   Wessex Road Club         387.958   206.032   05:09:09      64   E   WIN      0         
Geoff Smith   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      385.932   209.973   04:58:23      62   E         308.22   77.71      
Anthony Wheatley   Stourbridge CC         384.722   199.871   05:32:02      46   B         0         
John Rowe   Stocksbridge CC         384.439   206.092   05:21:09      43   A         0         
Bob Richards   RNRMCA   V      381.412   210.851   04:50:26      54   C         331.84   49.57      
Matt Chambers   Didcot Phoenix CC         380.481   197.287   05:24:54      41   A         0         
Michael Pumphrey   Thornton RC   V      379.287   207.281   05:17:41      52   C         337.17   42.12      
David Bayley   Audax Ireland         372.016   195.328   05:42:54      35            0         
Steve Davies   Addiscombe CC   V      370.867   197.600   05:10:26      59   D         317.69   53.18      
John O'Sullivan   Audax Ireland         363.693   197.257   05:32:54      52   C         0         
Berwick / Jurcyx   Edinburgh RC / W Lothian Clarion   Tand.      362.611   204.123   05:12:22      0            0         
Geraint Catherall    Anfield BC         360.289   183.720   05:47:15      38            0         
Dave Pemberton   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         359.629   202.538   05:12:26      45   B         0         
Jim Hopper   Derby Mercury RC   Tri.      359.366   189.058   05:44:24      70   G   WIN      0         
Mohammad Leghari   Addiscombe CC         358.679   175.969   05:00:57      21            0         
Bob Watts    San Fairy Ann CC         357.972   184.405   05:53:51      55   D         0         
Ben Rockett   Bath CC         356.226   218.722   04:29:22      25            0         
Andy Barratt   Kidsgrove Wheelers   V      355.679   214.281   04:51:23      40   A         372.79   -17.11      
Steve Gelder   Team Swift         352.871   199.689   05:11:57      43   A         0         
David Bellinger   Medway Velo         352.684   187.951   04:57:05      39            0         
Ross Bentley-Davies   Didcot Phoenix CC         352.224   198.247   05:18:33      40   A         0         
Wyatt Wendels   Airedale Olympic         348.018   182.002   06:12:12      36            0         
Matthew Haigh   Farnborough & Camberley CC         346.684   181.143   05:41:09      43   A         0         
Pippa Wheeler   Exeter Wheelers CC   W      344.294   190.430   05:30:36      49   B         0         
Ben Amesbury   Fibrax Wrexham RC         340.968   187.942   05:58:54      40   A         0         
John Laker   Thornton RC         340.809   181.190   05:46:03      52   C         0         
Russell Pindar   Beeston CC         338.626   180.131   05:34:24      45   B         0         
Malcolm Matcham   Sotonia   V      338.594   191.078   05:36:26      54   C         331.84   6.75      
Andrew Preston   CC Weymouth         335.862   179.390   05:54:56      50   C         0         
Russ Mason   Thornton RC         334.943   175.997   05:57:54      63   E         0         
Jane Swain   Willesden CC   Tri.W      333.628   182.305   06:01:51      45   B         0         
Trevor Halstead   Gainsborough Aegir CC         332.756   192.144   05:41:35      54   C         0         
Richard Harding   Exeter Wheelers CC         330.188   178.506   05:39:05      53   C         0         
Roger Clarke   Tyneside Vagabonds CC         329.372   215.814   05:14:41      41   A         0         
Phil Holden   Seamons CC   V      329.336   170.434   05:20:21      65   F   WIN      297.73   31.61      
Ann Bath   Kingston Phoenix RC   VW      327.360   171.863   06:19:39      63   E         277.94   49.42      
Denise Hurst   Congleton CC   VW      326.168   160.235   00:00:00      58   D         291.72   34.45      
Michael Rainton   VC Baracchi   V      324.661   195.308   05:47:28      66   F         293.97   30.69      
Steve Heaney   Rhos-on-Sea CC         324.361   194.047   05:38:09      52   C         0         
Jason Brookes   Stourbridge CC         321.162   177.551   06:29:13      37            0         
Alex Pattison   Angus Bike Chain CC         316.646   191.100   04:30:26      65   F         0         
Valerio Zamboni   UCI/Team Monaco         303.143   194.064   05:10:54      58   D         0         
John Mollart    Lyme Racing Club         287.999   151.372   06:46:38      42   A         0         
Graeme Wyllie   Edinburgh RC         284.469   187.104   05:37:57      47   B         0         
Brian Kilgannon   RNRMCA   V      284.322   153.663   06:52:07      58   D         320.66   -36.34      
Tony Hull   Chippenham & District Wheelers         281.579   171.298   06:24:57      70   G         0         
Dave Stokes   Musselburgh RCC   Tri.      258.280   163.805   06:57:29      68   F         0         
David Shepherd   GS Stella   V         258.393   04:18:35      51   C         339.82         
Rob Dulson   Hainault RC   V         243.265   04:31:17      51   C         339.82         
Anton Blackie   Rapha Condor CC            214.599   04:56:41      28            0         
Mark Leadbetter   Stirling Bike Club            219.468   04:50:41      45   B         0         
Graeme Walsh   Stirling Bike Club            238.443   04:38:22      49   B         0         
Graham Jones   Edinburgh RC   V         225.733   04:31:38      47   B         350.57         
Robert Watson   North Hampshire Road Club   V         179.203   04:50:02      51   C         339.82         
Charles Kitson   Wansbeck CC            141.295   00:00:00      50   C         0         
Stephen Avery   Zappi CC   Tri.         137.948   00:00:00      44   A         0         
Andy Payne   GS Stella   V         120.813   04:36:38      48   B         347.82         
Lisa Costa   Kidsgrove Wheelers   VW         114.613   07:43:16      53   C         303.76         
Joe Applegarth   Houghton CC            0.000   00:00:00      72   G         0         
Gareth Gregory    Port Talbot Wheelers CC            0.000   00:00:00      38            0         
Sally Cowan   Seamons CC   VW         0.000   00:00:00      46   B         320.05         
Arthur Puckrin   Cleveland Wheelers   V         0.000   00:00:00      74   G         258.24         
William Dossett   Willesden CC            0.000   00:00:00      52   C         0         
Christopher Dobbs   Holme Valley Wheelers            0.000   00:00:00      27            0         
Christian Henderson   Derwentside CC            0.000   00:00:00      40   A         0         
Sean O'Hiarnain   Rollapaluza CC            0.000   00:00:00      32            0         
John Warnock   Twickenham CC            0.000   00:00:00      40   A         0         
Williams / Creswick   Twickenham CC   Tand.W         0.000   00:00:00      0            0         
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                             
TEAM   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         1208.750   miles   3   riders                        
   RNRMCA         1088.482   miles   3   riders                        
   Exeter Wheelers CC         1079.767   miles   3   riders                        
   Thornton RC         1055.038   miles   3   riders                        
                                             

[Frank9755]

They found my missing lap
That they do such a good job in counting all those distances is amazing.

[mattc]

They found my missing lap
That they do such a good job in counting all those distances is amazing.

Well you say that now ...     

[Karla]

Well done Frank, you've now beaten my distance by 0.51 miles. 

You're going down next year, boi 

[hippy]

Oof, harsh. Fight, fight fight!

[Frank9755]

Well Greg (Mr B), I know that you should be faster than me.  But at least, now they've found my missing lap, I know that Matt isn't 

Good luck in the 12!

[Karla]

Good luck in the 12!

Thanks - I'm hoping it cools down a bit before then.  The forecast rain would currently be welcome!

[TOBY]

For various reasons I just couldn't get into it this year, ho-hum 

Great to see those that I saw and sorry to miss those that I missed.

Extra Special Thanks must go to:
Jane (great ride by the way) for taking my bag in her car from the travelodge to the start on the saturday morning thus saving me riding with it to the start. . .
IanH and the Exegeter Whs whom I'd been hassling to help me out for the first 5 hours before promptly jumping ship the day of the race to take help from . . .
Judith and Dave after some car park based propositions, their help was fantastic upto and beyond when . . .
ChrisN turned up and kept me sorted for the second year running!

I could not have not done it without these brilliant peaople 

++  and thanks to the organisers, marshals, helpers and everybody that contributes to putting on this great event, what a fantastic job they do!

[CharlieK]

Well another one over and at around 3am I vowed never again! Now I'm thinking why not 

Congratulations to all, thanks to the supporters and other riders but extra special thanks to the Mersey Roads crew for a fantastically organised event even down to arranging the weather!

Once again I had my target, modest for most but considering my health (heart and lungs) good for me. But the gremlins struck and my back gave out at 3am, all that banging around over rough roads and my tri bars breaking. I lay down at prees to ease it off and fell asleep, my support was also asleep so I lost a good chunk of time. But I got back on and completed about another 70 or so miles. So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF. Hopefully this will be corrected and I'll be restored to my rightful place of last 

My son and I had the pleasure of Stuart Birnie's company at the B&B so thanks to him and his supporters for their help. Also thanks to numbers 34 and 45 for constant encouragement and those jumping clapping shouting lads who brought a smile to a tired face. Thanks also to the Irish contingent John and co. for helping me off at 5am(ish) although I was using the bike to support me 

If I'm not riding again I'll come down for the atmosphere it's tremendous.

[Bairn Again]

Is it just me who finds it amusing that mattc ended up finishing ahead of the guy who was ripping into him on the CTT forum? 

[Karla]

Is it just me who finds it amusing that mattc ended up finishing ahead of the guy who was ripping into him on the CTT forum? 

Hoppo?  He did 432 miles and was beaten by a whisker by Toby.

I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me.

TBH, keeping in touch with the TT scene wouldn't be much of a guide to John Warnock's form  - I've not seen his name on a significant race all year (although he may have been riding club events). Still the favourite though

He's just done a 1:36:37 in a 50 - the second fastest time ever.  BBAR perhaps?

[Bairn Again]

mustve been thinmking of somebody else.

back to sleep 

[Tim Hall]

Another question from an outsider:

How does the final distance get calculated?  I understand that there are various circuits, including a finishing circuit.  Does each rider have a dedicated time keeper running alongside for the final knockings, who shouts "STOP" and whips out a tape measure at the appropriate hour?

[LittleWheelsandBig]

Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.

[mattc]

Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.

Unless you fortuitously reach the TK nearest HQ a few minutes before 24h, and tell the guy that you're finishing there as you've done your target and refuse to ride another mile. This must be very common, as they are quite accomodating to such riders - or so I'm told. 

So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF.

Did you reach the finish circuit? I think everyone gets a DNF if they don't get recorded past at least one time-keeper on the finish circuit.

Pretty sure I've heard that if you want your distance registered, they'll generally work it out if you ask nicely. I believe this is common for riders who reach - say - their vets standard but then collapse before reaching the F.C.

[mattc]

I don't really follow TTing. But Warnock is the obvious choice for me.

TBH, keeping in touch with the TT scene wouldn't be much of a guide to John Warnock's form  - I've not seen his name on a significant race all year (although he may have been riding club events). Still the favourite though

He's just done a 1:36:37 in a 50 - the second fastest time ever.  BBAR perhaps?

This heat is obviously messing with a few heads - MrB's link points to this:
"Andrew WILKINSON
Port Sunlight Wheelers   
01:36:37   "

[Karla]

Oops.

I was trying to respond to someone's comment that it was a shame not to see Wilko racing this year, to which someone else responded that Wilko would probably never do a 24 again, didn't really like racing and hadn't been doing much this year, but preferred touring.

[bodach]

 I am starting to recover at last and am happy with what McNasty and I achieved. Everything went to plan. There was none! We set off too fast again but it is only my second 24. My HRM showed over 90% max for the first hour or so. Had hoped to do around 380k so I could get 6 points but now looks like no SR for me this year. Just as well there's a few more years in the legs yet although McNasty is looking for a younger pilot with a bit more speed. I'll just have to start training and no longer rely on pure talent. We stopped at the timekeeper before the HQ as we did not wish to climb the hill again to the next one and we knew we had done 360 mls., over 20 miles better than last year. We did manage to set a VTTA record for age 69 and in fact only had to finish to do so as no one else has so far been daft enough to do so. Got the feeding a bit better this year  and drank a lot more regularly with only having to stop once for a pee due to my profuse sweating. The body felt much worse this year due to the distinct lack of miles like so many others I think. I'm no longer obsessive about my cycling and it shows in my performances. Had great help and encouragement from our helper Mike Hood, ex international triathlete. Many thanks to all officials without whom this classic event could not take place. Take a bow. Enjoyed speaking to several folk after the event. See you next year. 

[Ian H]

Average speed between the timekeeper before your time is up and the one after your time is up is used to determine your position at 24 hr.

"You've got a few seconds left. Keep going!"

At least the next timekeeper was the one by the HQ.

[hippy]

My time ticked over to 2:18 and the next checkpoint I came across was the one my team was parked at. #skill #fluke

[LittleWheelsandBig]

I leapfrogged teethgrinder on his last lap and parked at his finish timekeeper to give him a lift back to HQ. Good job I did; a driver stopped to ask if he was ok while he was lying on the verge. He did look a bit tired, no doubt because it was the timekeeper at the top of the hill.

[thesloth]

Are there any team results for this event? Can't seem to find any on the CTT site.

Does anybody know how the team thing works? I recall been told something like: Total distance of three riders from the same club.

[Ian H]

Are there any team results for this event? Can't seem to find any on the CTT site.

Does anybody know how the team thing works? I recall been told something like: Total distance of three riders from the same club.

Bottom of the results, above.

[blackburnrod]

This is the result to date.All queries received by myself and the organiser have been addressed and adjusted where appropriate.I intend to finalise the result at the weekend,so if there are any other queries please send them to rodgoodfellow@gmail.com asap.  ( I am aware that Clarke stopped at Prees and claims his distance there of 310 which will appear on the final result.)



PROVISIONAL RESULT                  
                  
No.   Name    Club   Category      24 hour Distance   12 hour Distance
90   Ultan Coyle   Rapha Condor CC         488.993   260.971
78   Stuart Birnie   Willesden CC         480.723   249.086
54   Ishmael Burdeau   GS Gazzetta         472.332   251.558
60   Peter Moon   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      471.180   256.979
35   Gregory Woodford   Reading CC         462.605   254.071
85   Simon Bever   Twickenham CC         459.711   247.554
97   Steven Abraham   North Bucks RC         448.193   241.508
26   Ian Wilson   Deeside Thistle CC   V      445.160   240.676
50   Sam Williamson   Hemel Hempstead CC         444.643   241.981
70   Kevin Thomas   Kingston Wheelers         440.995   244.850
95   Lynne Taylor   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles   W      438.128   238.479
73   Toby Hopper   Cardiff Ajax         432.663   234.315
45   Chris Hopkinson   Army Cycling Union         432.506   252.178
76   Richard Parrotte   Shaftesbury CC   V      428.269   236.192
93   Mark Gray   Derby Mercury RC         426.235   230.357
103   Dadswell / Bloom   Antelope RT / Born to Bike   Tand.Tri.Mx      424.806   230.861
38   Nigel Jones   Hereford & District Wheelers         423.363   227.436
40   Stuart Edwards   RNRMCA   V      422.748   237.627
66   Matthew Scholes   South Western RC         418.382   232.010
13   Andy Denyer   Lewes Wanderers         418.164   231.589
99   Laurence Hewetson   BAD Tri         415.228   228.221
87   John Forbes   Birkenhead North End CC         414.570   232.593
77   Andrew Waddington   Portsmouth North End CC         412.636   240.581
20   John Cornfield   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         410.992   228.225
46   David Parkes   Coventry RC   V      410.735   219.001
64   Simon Gent   Shaftesbury CC         410.127   229.582
22   Neil Ridsdale   Bridlington CC   V      409.158   227.490
81   Nicholas Long   Kenton RC         407.625   224.151
67   Hefin Jones   Ross-on-Wye & District CC         406.579   226.557
83   Tom Deakins   Flitchbikes.co.uk         406.033   222.682
57   Ian Hennessey   Exeter Wheelers CC         405.286   222.172
31   Roger Squire   Fibrax Wrexham RC         391.277   217.804
23   Frank Proud   Westerley         390.941   220.696
56   Tabitha Rendall   Club Cyclopark   VW      389.039   217.587
41   Jacqueline Hobson   Warwickshire RC   VW      388.198   213.636
27   Fred Newton   Wessex Road Club         387.958   206.895
82   Geoff Smith   Eastbourne Rovers CC   V      385.932   216.732
39   Anthony Wheatley   Stourbridge CC         384.722   210.083
33   John Rowe   Stocksbridge CC         384.439   207.243
74   Bob Richards   RNRMCA   V      381.412   219.066
9   Matt Chambers   Didcot Phoenix CC         380.481   199.315
15   Michael Pumphrey   Thornton RC   V      379.287   209.261
96   David Bayley   Audax Ireland         372.016   205.308
28   Steve Davies   Addiscombe CC   V      370.867   206.490
89   John O'Sullivan   Audax Ireland         363.693   198.661
101   Berwick / Jurcyx   Edinburgh RC / W Lothian Clarion   Tand.      362.611   210.327
16   Geraint Catherall    Anfield BC         360.289   184.188
55   Dave Pemberton   Born to Bike Bridgtown Cycles         359.629   203.064
1   Jim Hopper   Derby Mercury RC   Tri.      359.366   193.355
59   Mohammad Leghari   Addiscombe CC         358.679   178.448
6   Bob Watts    San Fairy Ann CC         357.972   192.679
37   Ben Rockett   Bath CC         356.226   221.089
52   Andy Barratt   Kidsgrove Wheelers   V      355.679   221.034
51   Steve Gelder   Team Swift         352.871   212.373
42   David Bellinger   Medway Velo         352.684   188.662
18   Ross Bentley-Davies   Didcot Phoenix CC         352.224   200.540
24   Wyatt Wendels   Airedale Olympic         348.018   184.352
36   Matthew Haigh   Farnborough & Camberley CC         346.684   182.374
29   Pippa Wheeler   Exeter Wheelers CC   W      344.294   197.347
44   Ben Amesbury   Fibrax Wrexham RC         340.968   189.787
69   John Laker   Thornton RC         340.809   181.190
43   Russell Pindar   Beeston CC         338.626   180.131
19   Malcolm Matcham   Sotonia   V      338.594   198.236
34   Andrew Preston   CC Weymouth         335.862   188.007
62   Russ Mason   Thornton RC         334.943   178.378
7   Jane Swain   Willesden CC   Tri.W      333.628   184.733
71   Trevor Halstead   Gainsborough Aegir CC         332.756   197.352
10   Richard Harding   Exeter Wheelers CC         330.188   178.506
63   Phil Holden   Seamons CC   V      329.336   181.301
8   Ann Bath   Kingston Phoenix RC   VW      327.360   180.311
84   Denise Hurst   Congleton CC   VW      326.168   168.669
32   Michael Rainton   VC Baracchi   V      324.661   195.308
61   Steve Heaney   Rhos-on-Sea CC         324.361   203.990
72   Jason Brookes   Stourbridge CC         321.162   182.624
68   Alex Pattison   Angus Bike Chain CC         316.646   196.454
88   Valerio Zamboni   UCI/Team Monaco         303.143   194.064
48   John Mollart    Lyme Racing Club         287.999   158.178
92   Graeme Wyllie   Edinburgh RC         284.469   187.834
21   Brian Kilgannon   RNRMCA   V      284.322   164.119
5   Tony Hull   Chippenham & District Wheelers         281.579   178.662
53   Dave Stokes   Musselburgh RCC   Tri.      258.280   166.850
14   Charles Kitson   Wansbeck CC         250.544   142.901
58   Stephen Avery   Zappi CC   Tri.      218.098   137.948
                  
* NOTE: 12 hour distances and 100 mile times are approximate and determined by interpolation between time checks                  
                  

[CharlieK]

So I'm a bit disappointed to see my name listed as a DNF.

Did you reach the finish circuit? I think everyone gets a DNF if they don't get recorded past at least one time-keeper on the finish circuit.

Yes I did reach the finish circuit, went round twice and stopped at TK4 because, as others have said, that is closet to the HQ. I called my number at all TK points as well. Nearly hit a black BMW because he stopped to turn right at the last minute in front of me on the nice downhill fast bit, the marshall would remember my rather colourful language I'm sure 

I've emailed Jon to ask, politely, that I be reinstated.
But then whilst writing this I notice the post by blackburnrod and I am credited so all is well again