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T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5675 on: 15 June, 2020, 09:04:09 am »
I get the impression that they're taking copy straight from the US and Oz and not fixing it before posting.
Quite likely, but also you might be looking at the US/Aus/International edition?

International edition, right enough.  Funny: things hop around and change size when you switch from News, which gets you international news, to World
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Kim

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5676 on: 15 June, 2020, 12:26:32 pm »
Burglarized

This one was considered shocking when I was in primary school.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5677 on: 15 June, 2020, 12:59:02 pm »
It's sort of recursive grammar, isn't it? Or at least recursive word construction. With the bonus of implying that the victim, or the property, is actually transformed into the criminal.

Davef

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5678 on: 15 June, 2020, 02:24:41 pm »
When your home has been subject to a burglarization by a burglarizationist


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citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5679 on: 15 June, 2020, 02:37:58 pm »
When your home has been subject to a burglarization by a burglarizationist

...then you've been burglarizationistized.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5680 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:01:10 pm »
And such a state would be burglarizationistizedness.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5681 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:06:36 pm »
The good Cap'n gets a free ride from me: I'm gonna booglarize you baby.
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Davef

Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5682 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:09:10 pm »
And such a state would be burglarizationistizedness.
Forgive my swearing but Himmelherrgottkreuzmillionendonnerwetter that’s a long word.


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nicknack

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5683 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:13:11 pm »
The good Cap'n gets a free ride from me: I'm gonna booglarize you baby.
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Auntie Helen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5684 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:28:51 pm »
And such a state would be burglarizationistizedness.
Forgive my swearing but Himmelherrgottkreuzmillionendonnerwetter that’s a long word.


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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5685 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:45:29 pm »
And such a state would be burglarizationistizedness.
Forgive my swearing but Himmelherrgottkreuzmillionendonnerwetter that’s a long word.


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Showed that one to my GerMan and after umming and ahhing a bit he decided it was feasible.

My internal parser grumbles a bit at it - it doesn't like the 'millionen' in there but I can't quite figure out why. Possibly because it reads like there's two phrases compounded in there, rather than one object? Himmelherrgottkreuzdonnerwetter  would be fine.

meddyg

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5686 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:49:01 pm »
-ise often conveys a sense of being transformed into, as in "normalise". There are horror films about people being memorialised in statue form. And I've never understood being "hospitalised". I just want to be treated, not added to the NHS's property stock.

You been nounin’ when y’oughtta been verbing!

So now (and this goes back to last century) it was possible to spot in an American paper ‘they were farewelled at the airport and gifted a rose bowl.’ (Oh, spellcheck now allows ‘gifted’ and Garrison Keillor spake it on American Public Radio only last week, so maybe it’s OK now, Stateside).’

But sports journalists won’t be told *
Golf: ‘Gerry carded 6 on the last green.'
Footy: ‘I was, like, benched in the second half..’
Cricket: Ikram top-scored in the last innings.

Anything in the Olympic Games – plucky little Briton
‘medalled’ in the last few minutes of the competition.
OK, you can have ‘pedalled’ but not ‘medalled.’

* they have to sex up boring copy with neologisms...

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I will go for a lie down now.


meddyg

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5687 on: 15 June, 2020, 03:52:19 pm »
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* they have to sex up boring copy with neologisms...


Oi ! - Hoist by your own pétard !
Using 'sex' as a verb !

citoyen

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5688 on: 15 June, 2020, 04:05:40 pm »
* they have to sex up boring copy with neologisms...

More to do with verbal economy than "sexing up", surely? "Carded" is a lot shorter than "recorded X on his scorecard". "Medalled" is shorter than "finished among the medal-winning positions".

This kind of thing can sound a bit naff sometimes, but I find "farewelled" rather elegant (in a good way).

And I was going to let you off with "sex up" but since you mention it yourself...  ;D
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5689 on: 15 June, 2020, 04:32:07 pm »
The closest airports get to the romance of railways in their heyday is the farewelling, aurevoiring and aufwiedersehening.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5690 on: 16 June, 2020, 07:26:59 am »
i'm not byeng that.

Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5691 on: 16 June, 2020, 07:50:53 am »
"Do you always give the temperature in degrees Kelvin?"
"Absolutely." "Yes." :P

T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5692 on: 16 June, 2020, 10:56:18 am »
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* they have to sex up boring copy with neologisms...


Oi ! - Hoist by your own pétard !
Using 'sex' as a verb !

Bah! Verbing is a healthy pursuit with a noble pedigree. Thus Butler: Then did Sir Knight abandon dwelling/And out he rode a colonelling.  Not only that, but to make it scan you have to pronounce every syllable of colonelling.
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meddyg

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5693 on: 20 June, 2020, 08:33:47 pm »
"Those songs Vera Lynn sung were very strong, very emotional."
Thus Sir Tim Rice on I think BBC World Service honouring her memory whilst
confusing his past and past perfect. Maybe he just does the music and someone else the lyrics ?

No, it's sing -sang  -sung
           ring - rang -rung !

I'd like it to be swing - swang - swung too
'Tarzan swang through the trees on a liana'
but apparently its usage is 'archaic.'

T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5694 on: 21 June, 2020, 08:14:07 am »
"Those songs Vera Lynn sung were very strong, very emotional."
Thus Sir Tim Rice on I think BBC World Service honouring her memory whilst
confusing his past and past perfect. Maybe he just does the music and someone else the lyrics ?

No, it's sing -sang  -sung
           ring - rang -rung !

I'd like it to be swing - swang - swung too
'Tarzan swang through the trees on a liana'
but apparently its usage is 'archaic.'

Yeah, everyone knows these days that they grow up, not down, so using one that way is definitely archaic/fatal.
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5695 on: 21 June, 2020, 11:51:25 am »
"Those songs Vera Lynn sung were very strong, very emotional."
Thus Sir Tim Rice on I think BBC World Service honouring her memory whilst
confusing his past and past perfect. Maybe he just does the music and someone else the lyrics ?

No, it's sing -sang  -sung
           ring - rang -rung !

I'd like it to be swing - swang - swung too
'Tarzan swang through the trees on a liana'
but apparently its usage is 'archaic.'

Yeah, everyone knows these days that they grow up, not down, so using one that way is definitely archaic/fatal.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5696 on: 22 June, 2020, 04:02:37 pm »
She will have learned her English as much from her colonially influenced parents as anyone, I would think.  Speakin' that way was usual amongst the rulin' classes, wherever they found themselves.

Still madd'nin', though!

hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5697 on: 22 June, 2020, 04:11:08 pm »
Miss!
Them last two posts should be in the 'pronunciation' fred!

T42

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5698 on: 22 June, 2020, 04:22:38 pm »
Miss!
Them last two posts should be in the 'pronunciation' fred!

haha so they should. 

I was so ragin I mis posted. 




Aargh! I'm sensitive to that word "posted".  18 years ago today I rode into one and my shoulder still hurts if I sleep on it the wrong way.
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hellymedic

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5699 on: 22 June, 2020, 08:40:51 pm »
Suggest you 'hit posted', not 'miss posted'....