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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #350 on: April 11, 2021, 09:25:39 am »
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
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Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up. Otherwise they went down. Clubs hardly ever went down.
So the probable reason for Altrincham's failure to get promoted is Hartlepool, who as I understand it, hold the record for the most re-elections.

Eta. Hartlepool's record may of course be an urban myth as recounted to me by FiL and Bs iL
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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #351 on: April 11, 2021, 12:10:04 pm »
I wonder how Altrincham would have coped in the 4th Division/League 2, had they been promoted
all those years ago when they used to regularly win the National League (or whatever it was called
bitd*)?








* for all those who throw abbreviations around.....back in the day...

Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up. Otherwise they went down. Clubs hardly ever went down.
So the probable reason for Altrincham's failure to get promoted is Hartlepool, who as I understand it, hold the record for the most re-elections.

Eta. Hartlepool's record may of course be an urban myth as recounted to me by FiL and Bs iL
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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #352 on: April 13, 2021, 11:33:28 am »
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Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  ....
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All the 4 sides at the bottom of the Football League had to apply for re-election, not just the bottom side.

Before the formation of the Conference/ National League in 1979, any club could apply for promotion and often there were multiple non league clubs applying, thus splitting the votes for the non league sides.

The Conference was formed with the aim of only the winners of the conference applying for promotion. I believe it was a condition of membership of conference. Obviously this would not have stopped sides in say Isthmian or Northern Leagues applying if they wanted to as they were not part of pyramid in those days, but they were mainly the traditionally amateur clubs anyway


For the first 7 seasons of the Conference, there was no automatic promotion and none of the winners got promoted

Season   National League Champions   
1979–80   Altrincham   
1980–81   Altrincham
1981–82   Runcorn
1982–83   Enfield
1983–84   Maidstone United
1984–85   Wealdstone
1985–86   Enfield

The formation of the Conference came towards the end of Altrincham's dominance of non league football. They won the first 2 and never again.

1In 1987 Scarborough ( RIP) were the first club to gain automatic promotion under a then  unknown manager (Colin ......)

Altrincham never won Conference again, although they did win the FA Trophy in 1986 v Runcorn

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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #353 on: April 13, 2021, 06:17:14 pm »
Well, bitd (as you put it) the club finishing bottom of the English football league would apply for re-admission.  So as long as the chairman had plenty of mates in league, they stayed up.

The bottom 4 had to apply for re-election. In about 1962, Gateshead finished 3rd from bottom but were voted out, while the 2 clubs below them (and Peterborough of the Midland League) got more votes than they did.
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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #354 on: April 13, 2021, 06:29:18 pm »
Peterborough was 1960-61, I believe.

They worked their way up to the 3rd Division, then were relegated to the 4th for cooking the books (I think they paid players too much)
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Re: Southend Football
« Reply #355 on: April 14, 2021, 10:17:24 am »
Peterborough was 1960-61, I believe.

They worked their way up to the 3rd Division, then were relegated to the 4th for cooking the books (I think they paid players too much)

Peterborough were elected in to the football league at the end of the 1959/60 season ( interesting that of the 5 teams voted out since the formation of 4th Division in 1958, only southport it could be argued were not replaced by a team closer to London/ Majority of clubs)

Peterborough were relegated for financial irregularities in 1968

Re: Southend Football
« Reply #356 on: April 14, 2021, 10:33:15 am »
Barrow beat Exeter yesterday, so I think they are safe now (9 points ahead of Southend with a game in hand). Looks like it's 2 from Grimsby, Southend, and Colchester (assuming no points deductions for teams above).
It's strange how every week teams in the top few keep losing to the rest. Tranmere (4th) lost to Walsall (19th) yesterday (reduced schedule meant only 4 teams in the top 7 were playing, and 2 of them were against playoff hopefuls). Forrest Green (now in 7th) fired their boss a couple of days ago after losing 4 in a row.

Re: Southend Football
« Reply #357 on: April 14, 2021, 11:21:16 am »
Barrow beat Exeter yesterday, so I think they are safe now (9 points ahead of Southend with a game in hand). Looks like it's 2 from Grimsby, Southend, and Colchester (assuming no points deductions for teams above).
It's strange how every week teams in the top few keep losing to the rest. Tranmere (4th) lost to Walsall (19th) yesterday (reduced schedule meant only 4 teams in the top 7 were playing, and 2 of them were against playoff hopefuls). Forrest Green (now in 7th) fired their boss a couple of days ago after losing 4 in a row.

Think you are right, its I think a fight between Colchester & Southend for one Relegation place. I can't see Grimsby overhauling Colchester, despite the efforts of Colchester to force themselves into the relegation zone