Clothing is inherently political in its ability to represent the values of our culture, and the necktie is one of the most politically charged items of body adornment. For those unfamiliar, the necktie is derived from the codpiece, a fabric flap or pouch designed 500 years ago to emphasise a European nobleman’s importance through his large phallic size. Today, the necktie retains its connection with the codpiece through its arrow shaped design and length that directs the eye of an onlooker down towards a man’s groin.https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/the-phallic-necktie-is-an-outdated-symbol-of-white-male-rule-in-new-zealands-parliament
Just look at BSJ as an example he always wears one, rarely done up, and looks like a bag of shitThat makes wearing a tie the only truthful thing about him.
The necktie that spread from Europe traces back to Croatian mercenaries serving in France during the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648). These mercenaries from the Croatian Military Frontier, wearing their traditional small, knotted neckerchiefs, aroused the interest of the Parisians.[2] Because of the difference between the Croatian word for Croats, Hrvati, and the French word, Croates, the garment gained the name cravat (cravate in French).[3] The boy-king Louis XIV began wearing a lace cravat around 1646, when he was seven, and set the fashion for French nobility. This new article of clothing started a fashion craze in Europe; both men and women wore pieces of fabric around their necks. From its introduction by the French king, men wore lace cravats, or jabots, that took a large amount of time and effort to arrange. These cravats were often tied in place by cravat strings, arranged neatly and tied in a bow.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necktie#Origins
I thought we already had a thread about wearing a tie, but a search failed to find one. (I did find several curious or interesting threads about cable tie contests, wearing scarves as well as one called "What are you wearing?" https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5538.msg94567#msg94567 and one "Today I am wearing" https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=45651.msg898645#msg898645). But none specifically about wearing a tie, so I've started one.
And the first thing is... "descended from the codpiece"! Really?QuoteClothing is inherently political in its ability to represent the values of our culture, and the necktie is one of the most politically charged items of body adornment. For those unfamiliar, the necktie is derived from the codpiece, a fabric flap or pouch designed 500 years ago to emphasise a European nobleman’s importance through his large phallic size. Today, the necktie retains its connection with the codpiece through its arrow shaped design and length that directs the eye of an onlooker down towards a man’s groin.https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/the-phallic-necktie-is-an-outdated-symbol-of-white-male-rule-in-new-zealands-parliament
I am doubtful. Even if it does share some origin, the connection is hardly obvious today.
As a bonus, I note that the percentage of Maori in parliament exceeds their percentage in the population at large (16% from what I've read elsewhere).
They can look good if it's part of your dress style, but it's mostly blokes badly wrapped in a cheap suit and tie, like the sort of gift you don't want. It's a sartorial sulk. They're making me do it. Which is mostly the case.
I've not worn one since school. Or a blazer with a half-ripped off pocket for that matter.
They can look good if it's part of your dress style, but it's mostly blokes badly wrapped in a cheap suit and tie, like the sort of gift you don't want. It's a sartorial sulk. They're making me do it. Which is mostly the case.
I've not worn one since school. Or a blazer with a half-ripped off pocket for that matter.
Previously I worked in a place which had a casual dress code, and have increasingly found myself dressing up. Now I'm at a megacorp and there is some expectation I should make some sort of effort.
Despite the project I'm currently on's client being super laidback (employees wandering around in shorts and flip flops in winter complaining the building is cold*) I tend to wear waistcoats and shirts, and will dress them up with a tie or more usually a bowtie. The few I have are liberty or William Morris prints.
They can look good if it's part of your dress style, but it's mostly blokes badly wrapped in a cheap suit and tie, like the sort of gift you don't want. It's a sartorial sulk. They're making me do it. Which is mostly the case.
I've not worn one since school. Or a blazer with a half-ripped off pocket for that matter.
Previously I worked in a place which had a casual dress code, and have increasingly found myself dressing up. Now I'm at a megacorp and there is some expectation I should make some sort of effort.
Despite the project I'm currently on's client being super laidback (employees wandering around in shorts and flip flops in winter complaining the building is cold*) I tend to wear waistcoats and shirts, and will dress them up with a tie or more usually a bowtie. The few I have are liberty or William Morris prints.
I've got a couple of gorgeous Liberty silk waistcoats, I just need to slim down a bit :(
I remember a long ago flatmate's father used to wear a bowtie. This was because he had a business printing t-shirts and a conventional tie might get caught in the machinery.They can look good if it's part of your dress style, but it's mostly blokes badly wrapped in a cheap suit and tie, like the sort of gift you don't want. It's a sartorial sulk. They're making me do it. Which is mostly the case.
I've not worn one since school. Or a blazer with a half-ripped off pocket for that matter.
Previously I worked in a place which had a casual dress code, and have increasingly found myself dressing up. Now I'm at a megacorp and there is some expectation I should make some sort of effort.
Despite the project I'm currently on's client being super laidback (employees wandering around in shorts and flip flops in winter complaining the building is cold*) I tend to wear waistcoats and shirts, and will dress them up with a tie or more usually a bowtie. The few I have are liberty or William Morris prints.
Occasionally I am accused of being the best dressed chap in the office.
* one commented on the internal social media that it was so cold they had to go out and buy a jumper, in December. You just can't help some people.Ah, yes. An indoor temperature of at least 20C is in the Geneva Convention and the UN Charter, don't you know? (The heating thread is thataway>)
I remember a long ago flatmate's father used to wear a bowtie. This was because he had a business printing t-shirts and a conventional tie might get caught in the machinery.
I usually wear a tie at work, even though it is not a requirement, and often when I dress smartly. I can't remember if have riden on YACF rides wearing a tie, but I have done other group rides wearing one. :smug:I would've thought wearing a tie at your work was a bit dodgy if there was a chance of it getting caught up in the chuck of a Myford or a Colchester - unless the tie was a clip-on....
I've certainly worn a cravat on a YACF ride...
And the first thing is... "descended from the codpiece"! Really?
Today, the necktie retains its connection with the codpiece through its arrow shaped design and length that directs the eye of an onlooker down towards a man’s groin.
I usually wear a tie at work, even though it is not a requirement, and often when I dress smartly. I can't remember if have riden on YACF rides wearing a tie, but I have done other group rides wearing one. :smug:I would've thought wearing a tie at work was a bit dodgy if there was a chance of it getting caught up in the chuck of a Myford or a Colchester - unless the tie was a clip-on....
I've certainly worn a cravat on a YACF ride...
I'm clearly behind the times.......I usually wear a tie at work, even though it is not a requirement, and often when I dress smartly. I can't remember if have riden on YACF rides wearing a tie, but I have done other group rides wearing one. :smug:I would've thought wearing a tie at work was a bit dodgy if there was a chance of it getting caught up in the chuck of a Myford or a Colchester - unless the tie was a clip-on....
I've certainly worn a cravat on a YACF ride...
Not many Myfords or Colchester lathes in schools now. Guarding is much better, and I would wear a buttoned up boiler suit when working on such machinery. In the home workshop, I have a Drummond lathe with open gears and belts, so I'm used to respecting moving machinery.
I would still take my tie off if using the pollisher or bench grinder at work, though!
I've just remembered - we do have a Myford!;D
ML8 wood lathe. I would remove my tie for that one too (and put on my Screwfix baseball cap on backwards to keep the shavings from going down the back of my shirt collar)
For business, probably not for 20 years. Some years ago I told my Canukistan Business Partner that we no longer wear ties when going to business meetings. He appeared at breakfast with his top button done up ;DI think that's comparatively less odd than some of the other suit-no suit hybrid styles: suit with t-shirt (sometimes with a tie printed on it!) for instance, or suit jacket, shirt, tie with jeans and trainers. But hey, it's only fashion!
Needs a "not since school" option really, especially for the female forumites who can easily avoid ties in adult contexts.I was kind of assuming ( :hand:) adult contexts only. So 'Never' = 'Never as an adult', which is the same really as 'Not since school'.
New Zealand’s male MPs will no longer be required to wear ties in parliament, following a row over the item of clothing that involved the speaker ejecting Māori party co-leader Rawiri Waititi from the chamber for refusing to wear one.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/11/new-zealand-male-mps-no-longer-have-to-wear-ties-after-maori-mp-ejected
For weddings and a funeral.
I found more in a bag at the back of the wardrobe, waiting to be taken somewhere. But where? Who would want them? Charity shops must be sick of the sight of them. What is going to become of them all? The average length of a tie is, I read, 58 inches or just short of 1.5 metres. My collection alone, laid end to end, would stretch for 90 metres. Let’s say there are 30 million males in the UK – including all the tie-wearing schoolboys – and they have, on average, five ties each: that comes to well over 200,000km of ties. A use must be found for them.
in your attire are you a tie tyer?
Andy Saxton, strategic insight director for fashion at Kantar, doesn’t expect the market for office suits to recover but reckons people are more willing than ever to spend money on suits for weddings and parties. “Casualisation has been growing for quite some years now,” he says– while wearing a navy jumper with dark jeans. “The suits market is down 40% in five years, I don’t think that is ever coming back to that level. But I do feel there are huge opportunities for dressing-up for celebrations – I feel like everyone is going to go very big on weddings.”
The suit is being replaced, Paget says, not with working from home outfits of joggers, jeans or hoodies but with “chore jackets”.
Asked to explain, he says: “It’s in the name really.” They are jackets first designed for tradesmen to wear for handiwork, painting or plumbing. Originating in late 1800s France, where they were worn by farm workers and labourers, the jackets were dubbed “bleu de travail” or “worker’s blues” for their deep shade of indigo.
“Workwear staples that are comfortable and practical have been elevated to office attire, particularly in the creative industries,” Paget says. “The fabrics and detailing have been improved on, but fundamentally they are clothes that an old-school plumber would have worn.”
What happens to his wardrobe if Fetterman progresses remains to be seen. In the House of Representatives, men must wear a coat and tie at all times while Congress is in session. Fetterman owns a suit – most publicly worn when he was sworn in as lieutenant governor in 2019 – but insists that he mostly wears it at Halloween.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/11/its-powerful-how-john-fettermans-hoodie-won-the-popular-vote
I voted "never".Fair does. There might have been a reason I didn't do so, but I can't remember.
Perhaps there should be "No, cos of not presenting as male there is no society-imposed for me to need to do so anyways"
with concomitant "Yes, in spite of not presenting as male where there is no society-imposed for me to need to do so anyways"
Thrown a load of ties away today.Cutting your losses.
Ties are mandatory in the US House of Reps.QuoteWhat happens to his wardrobe if Fetterman progresses remains to be seen. In the House of Representatives, men must wear a coat and tie at all times while Congress is in session. Fetterman owns a suit – most publicly worn when he was sworn in as lieutenant governor in 2019 – but insists that he mostly wears it at Halloween.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/11/its-powerful-how-john-fettermans-hoodie-won-the-popular-vote
I saw a band that looked a bit like that.